#Be more lax on the rules

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quaint wedge
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Its an online game and yes people shouldn't be being jerks but having a notice pop up every game is really annoying and a bit rude. Also having 'being disruptive' as grounds for a ban is not only vague but also just...I mean come on the game is silly if it wasn't for disruptive people it wouldn't be as fun. There is a mute button so if someone really doesn't like what another has to say they can just mute.

frail apex
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how is the Pop up rude?

candid steeple
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Do you get an outright ban from mic spam? If so I think there should just be a mute for a couple of days.

rocky drift
quaint wedge
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Its annoying and kind of like almost threatening. Its like if you walked in the door of your job everyday and were told 'you better do a good job or Ill fire you'

candid steeple
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Still, I'd say just give a mute just lengthen it depending on the volume.

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And ban after warnings.

quaint wedge
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I really cant support banning people on things like that. Unless theyre hacking. That I say ban em

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Its just the mute button exists for a reason

candid steeple
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So after you have been told twice to not spam out of a mic you don’t deserve a ban?

dusk wigeon
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Got a notification that said someone was banned for discussing politics. What the fuck

quaint wedge
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Yeah thats what I'm saying...

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@dusk wigeon

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Its wrong. To literally take a game away from someone that they payed for because of what?

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And no I dont support banning people for spamming the mic. Again mute button. Games should be a place to have fun and if you dont like how someone else is having fun then just mute them. Dont seek to take their fun away

carmine olive
quaint wedge
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@carmine olive I take that back. It is threatening. 'don't even minorly slip up or do anything that someone might remotley take the wrong way or we will take away your game'

carmine olive
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nobody is threatening you dude its a video game get a fucking grip

misty smelt
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Id say with the rampant toxicity and trolling in gaming rn, a zero tolerance approach to keep this rapidly growing community a healthy and approachable environment is absolutely the right move. The devs arent saying dont have too much fun or theyll ban you. Theyre saying dont ruin other players experiences by doing things like spamming your mic for example. No one’s threatening u pal

quaint wedge
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Yet I speak in a calm manor the only one being rude here is @carmine olive all because of my view point. I ask you @misty smelt How long have you been playing games that you think modern gaming is rampantly toxic? How do you even define that?

candid steeple
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If there isn’t a warning system yet they should make one. Since most of the people just don't read the vc rules and start spamming. Then get a game ban. Give a day mute and a warning and if done again give a ban.

quaint wedge
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I would say that @candid steeple is a far better system than what is currently in place.

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Though I still feel the middle ground of just using the mute button is best. Though I can understand why some may disagree

candid steeple
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Idk how they flag spam but mass reporting might be a problem if the victim is an active chat user.

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Haven't seen a false ban yet so I am positive it’s working as intended.

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Just something that popped into my mind and might become a problem.

quaint wedge
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Part of my concern is the dev team is 3 people...how will they moderate it? Get volunteer mods like Reddit? cause reddit isn't known for having a fair moderation system at all

candid steeple
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I would assume ai.

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And I think a different firm handles the vc if I am not wrong.

misty smelt
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Ive been gaming online since like 2009 lol. Completely irrelevant imo. If you dont get that gaming has some issues with people saying awful shit to each other idk what youve been playing. I just think this game n community has a unique opportunity to make a cool space for a wide variety of people

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And yeah I like the 2 mutes then a ban idea, 3 strikes youre out kinda deal.

candid steeple
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Yeah there's always gonna be people being rude and saying what they want.

quaint wedge
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It for sure has some issues but to say its especially rampant today Id strongly disagree. Gaming has become more censored and 'safe spaced' than ever

pine plume
# quaint wedge It for sure has some issues but to say its especially rampant today Id strongly ...

Although I agree with you I don't tgibj that's the point. Fact of the matter is that for a game with goofy graphics and a goofy community with a sense of humor, the rule enforcement could take a different approach to how they do their job.

I.e. if its mic spam that's a problem don't ban them from the game, ban them from VoIP for a few hours and progressively more time if they're a repeat offender.

That way they can still play the game they paid for. I understand kicking cheaters off for good tho

errant grotto
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Regardless of rules, I do think the popup shouldn't be for every new server you join. It is a little annoying. Maybe throw it on a timer, or a once a day kind of thing.

quaint wedge
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I dont even think it should be once a day. Once at most.

eternal cosmos
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as far as i've seen you basically only get banned if you're being either
A. Outright horribly racist or toxic, only chatting for the sake of being a dick
B. Constantly annoying with extremely loud, or pointless mic-spam
C. Overtly chat spamming

I for one enjoy the "we don't want annoying shitheads in our games community" style of rule enforcement

rocky drift
rain maple
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so personally the only thing i can agree with here is maybe dial it back on the ban hammer, granted the only time i see people get banned is when they have been really chatting some stuff that they shouldn't. Maybe a time out instead of a ban for lesser things, and the ban maybe just a voip ban.

rocky drift
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Mods will look into your appeal if you get reported too much (but it’s automatic if you get spam reported)

quaint wedge
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I see people getting banned left and right

rain maple
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However i do wanna say i am all for the approach of starting out very strict so people know they cant do stupidity freely then loosen up after the tone has been set. This is a new game with tons of people flocking to it, young edgy kids and the miserable old heads and everyone in between, keep the community friendly with the big no tolerance of doing that junk

rocky drift
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And how many are lying to get a free appeal?

rain maple
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you would be shocked how many people are screaming messed up stuff or the typical screaming into their mic for no reason

rocky drift
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^

crisp pawn
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Needs more moderation if anything.
Especially VC at the start of a match is unbearable.

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Blame all the monkeys that fled the zoo.

rain maple
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that is true, it is horrific, after a few hours of play legit just turned off voip because it gets old quick. Now I just wait like 45 sec before i deploy

crisp pawn
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Yeah VC is kinda useless anyway

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98% is just screaming or random garbage

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Rarely anything useful

rain maple
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I see both sides of the coin. Agreed that most times it is just rubbish being spewed but there are the few times when its nice whether it be banter with an enemy or with your teammates

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I will say even in the good times there are basically never times where useful "comms" were made by my team lol

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For me I can easily opt out of voip and enjoy the game just as much (sometimes way more when I dont have the screaming howler monkeys in my ear)

distant sun
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Ima be real. You can mute and turn of voip. Muting is insanely easy. If you are taking the time to ban people for mic spam it just shows a lack of priorities. Hateful conduct and stuff I completely understand. Some 15 year old blitzing his microphone is fixed literally with one button.

As far as competitive banter. I could care less if the guy who kills me calls me shit lol. If you can't handle something like that turn it off. IMO of course.

pine plume
rocky drift
small ice
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As for toxicity bans it doesnt say that

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So its probably only a few day period anyway

quaint wedge
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I still can't support that either

wheat saffron
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I got a warning for calling someone a cunt in chat for rpg peaking me when I had them dead to rights because I was angry and I can get banned for doing that one two many times. I've just chosen to not talk in chat out of fear

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It's just a swear word.. we ain't in Kindergarten

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Plus it's an fps people get pissed

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As an Aussie playing on the OCE servers there's a lot of swearing in VoIP and shit talking which is fine but in chat nahhh bro can't do that

quaint wedge
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Yeah I totally get that. @wheat saffron Strange how many in society wanna treat children like adults and adults like children.

sonic nymph
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I told someone they had shit in their pants and he stopped dead in his tracks and reported me.

crisp pawn
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A report alone isn't gonna do shit. Anyone can report you for anything.

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Even for nothing.

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The enforcement matters.

sonic nymph
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I know it's just funny.

ember berry
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People out here freaking out exaggerating that they'll get banned.

The times I've reported someone and they have been banned were all really just 2 reasons: either being a racist or actual chat spam.
And I can count them all on 1 hand.

It's really not that hard to avoid a ban lmao.

candid steeple
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So minor violations would not give you a ban but a warning and more severe violations would give you a ban.

sonic nymph
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i got banned cuz an enemy was mic spamming the n word i said good night my n word 1 time and got banned and he remained in the game

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i know it was wrong but boys this an online game not a school yard

stuck thistle
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I currently refuse to use VOIP or even chat because of the toxic fuckers who instantly spam report you the second you say anything they don't like. I've seen people get banned for telling campers to "get off their fat asses and play the fucking objective" because they got ganked up by the entire camper squad and I'm not risking getting perm banned from a game I paid for just because someone got offended and instead of muting they decided to abuse the report system.

small ice
small ice
small ice
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Perma is for cheating

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Or for consistent toxicity

small ice
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Maybe make some sort of an appeal channel

sonic nymph
small ice
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And most fps games ban for that

stuck thistle
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my guy, you can play ISIS songs in Squad at ear shattering levels and not only nobody gives a shit but half your squad will join in on the fun. This new generation of "gamers" is way too fragile.

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And this banning for "wrong speak" is the reason why

thick oxide
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Or people just need to be kind to eachother, which is something you should have learned as a kid and not go to name calling and use toxic slurs or gamer words as the first step in communcation.

white laurel
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Honestly think they need to be banning more people rather than being more lax?

white laurel
lethal stump
# candid steeple So after you have been told twice to not spam out of a mic you don’t deserve a b...

But the moment someone uses his mic and you don't wanna hear him, you can just press a button and have him muted for the rest of your life. There really isn't a need to ban people for using in game mechanics. I'm all about VOIP, but there's a limit at which you can restrict people once that feature is implemented.

OFC if someone is constantly harassing others and being extremely vulgar, then there's an issue. But "kids" shouldn't even have that feature on in the first place. So if you're 16+ and get offended to the point that muting the problem player isn't enough, probably consider muting general chat.

(IDK if there's an option to only keep Squad & Leader VC active but muting the rest) Could be a good idea if not

white laurel
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Would take some tweaking but it reminds me of how discord mutes VC when spotify is running if it sees that your audio transmission has been constant for 20 seconds.

lethal stump
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Even then people can just press the shortcut to mute the individual in question if that's an issue. Personally it just makes me laugh, worst case I physically move away from that guy lol

white laurel
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Honestly I took it one step further, I was tired of hearing kids and trolls so I disabled VC completely

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Now nobody can hear me and I can't hear anybody else, problem solved

lethal stump
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As I said, an option to only have Squad & Leader VC would be great, if there isn't

white laurel
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I do understand it's not possible for everybody, VC comms are important here

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I agree, I wouldn't mind a squad where only a leader can communicate orders

lethal stump
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Like just check which chat you want active

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So you can communicate efficiently with your team, if your team is trolling, change squad

white laurel
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But then it comes down to #1119823488916656128 issue where random users are being given squad leader and then not acting as the squad leader or rescinding the role

lethal stump
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Very simple and easy to go around more "problematic" or casual players

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I mean it's a very casual game, most players won't even realize they're squad lead

white laurel
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But I agree with your recommendation, whilst not a full solution, would make it significantly better

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That's true, but not everybody plays games like this casually

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I do personally, but I have friends that don't and play it more like Squad

lethal stump
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Yep, but you can't just filter out casuals for having fun

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I've heard some nasty stuff in Leader comms and it was extremely funny. Like a private commedy show

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It was toward the end of the match so no one really cared

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Plus if there's one squad Leader that is disruptive, you can mute them individually. It won't stop you from playing more seriously

pine plume
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Cheating and harassment is another story, but speech in general?

sly cargo
white laurel
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Creating a healthy community is all about balance of moderation

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That balance is super difficult to get also, you'll always have that loud minority who complain about over moderation because they're pissy they can't be toxic, argue or antagonize others, but they eventually leave and the good community grows.

sonic nymph
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I do my part by not reporting people who are just having fun. It is ridiculous the times I've been reported for things I said which could then be taken out of context and viewed as bad.

sudden pelican
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The warning should stay, it makes people remember to be nice, and i think its a big part of the reason the community is so light hearted right now. Go play a different game if you don't like being heavily moderated, but the moderation makes it so a lot of people who might be made fun of in other games arent as much in these

sonic nymph
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@sudden pelican Honestly a lot of the topics or things being brought up are subjective. People draw different lines, and I understand the game has outlined rules that should be followed but beyond those rules the interpretation is a grey or gray (w/e people reading this is from) area.

Me dying and screaming fuck you, saying they stink, or just being stupid (because I'm just goofing around) I don't think should warrant some kind of action against myself (not that it ultimately will mean so).

I personally don't care what people say. I've heard it all the way from harmless to slurs, and it's on me as an individual to choose to care. If someone thinks their experience will improve because they report every person that says something disagreeable or offensive (to them) then let me tell ya' they are never going to enjoy the game.

formal agate
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I don't mind people being banned for racist/sexist stuff or what not, though I do think a voice/chat ban is more appropriote for that sort of behavior. You get 1 warning(3 day ban) and after that, no more voip/typing if you do it again. If you try and get around it with a steam profile name, then a ban is appropriote.

Otherwise, game bans should be reserved for cheaters, imo.

This as someone who doesn't participate in voip at all

sudden pelican
# sonic nymph <@449681212437430282> Honestly a lot of the topics or things being brought up ar...

if generally being toxic and an asshole, yelling at the other team when they kill you etc, and just because you're not being racist you thihnk it's ok, I think you miss out on the main idea of voice chat.

If you're not having fun and find yourself screaming when you die you should maybe take a break or do something else, its not healthy to just rage game the whole time.

Like I said before and I'll always say it, the current rules work great because of the results of them, and so they shouldn't be changed.

I have a friend who has a username, voice etc that gets them made fun of in a lot of online games, and they can say definitively they've never seen a game where they don't get bullied less(although it still happens)

sonic nymph
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lol

sudden pelican
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"Me dying and screaming fuck you, saying they stink" - we shouldnt tell people to just, get over it, in order to enjoy the VOIP system without being yelled at on the internet lol

sonic nymph
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My ultimate point is, if someones initiative is to proactively report people for things they say - they probably wont enjoy the game.

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Cause it'll never stop.

rain maple
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so here's the thing from my perspective...

to those afraid of getting banned because they are expressive when killed..... turn off death voip 😄

to those who are upset that the rules are harsh the game has barely been out long enough and when you also consider the large influx of people all at once due to it's launch I think it is better to set the tone and have the rules be there ( I can't say strict since I don't think they are)

I can't really speak on how harsh the bans are since I have never been banned, and I have played quite a bit for the playtest and a decent bit since the game dropped, no warnings either. I am assuming there are warnings to which case if someone gets banned after warnings then why is the complaint about there being rules rather than someone not being able to conduct themself according to such rules. They litterally say in the rules that the playful trash talk is fine, so it confuses as to the issue being 'in need' of change

cobalt mango
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"I have never been banned, but"

rain maple
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so i take it you have been banned, if so for infraction of what rule? while keeping in mind multiple people would have to report you for the false infraction.

tender wharf
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Someone got a 45 minute ban for saying "tard" in chat. We had a discussion in another chat and the mods lifted his ban so he could play again. Which I thought was great because we don't need any karens controlling the most menial aspects of trash talking.

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And btw there are quite a few people that interjected saying his ban should have been longer so if you agree that shit talking is good for the game and you want humorous and enjoyable banter among soldiers then upvote this already highly upvoted post and make sure this game doesn't turn into a subreddit.

tender wharf
covert crag
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i think the issue is sometimes there's a fine line between shit talking/banter and verbally abusing someone. everyone has a different opinion where that line is, so its ultimately up to the mods to decide where that is for battlebit. the game has just released, so hopefully we can see more consistency and have a better idea where battlebit thinks that line is.

i will say it does seem a majority of the ban messages seen in game are for racism/sexism/homophobia/etc.

sonic nymph
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I aint no snitch.

whole vapor
quaint wedge
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I have been noticing ALOT of in game bans for racism yet I have yet to hear a single racial slur. Sure its anecdotal evidence here but I feel like this really shows that the ban system might be overly sensitive. I've also noticed in recent days a MASSIVE drop in people using mics with many talking on online forums expressing fear of using the VOIP system due to the posibility of a ban.

small ice
sonic nymph
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What a bad argument. "Go back to X." "Go play Y."

Yeah that'll help the game.

small ice
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Less toxic people on the game more people stay

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🤷‍♂️

stuck thistle
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Literally nobody uses VOIP anymore because of fuckers abusing the report system. In the 6 hours I played yesterday I've seen at least 10 people get banned for "racism", yet I've yet so see or hear a single actual racist comment. Both in my 50 hours on CBT and 18 hours on release.
That means the only people staying are CoD kiddies not interested in any sort of teamplay that would require the use of VOIP or chat. Everyone else is either going back to Squad, Hell Let Loose or other game where you don't get banned for "playful trash talk". And driving people away by dictatorship rules definitely isn't good for the game. It's already bad enough the weapon progression is worse grind than War Thunder, but taking away the main reason people play these kinds of games by making everyone too afraid to use it will kill the game.

formal agate
quaint wedge
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Fair enough

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@stuck thistle While I don't think the grind is that bad I do agree with literally everything else. In the past few days I have noticed ALOT of bans...I mean how are they enforcing them or judging if they are legit or not? Also far less people utilize teamwork and VOIP system in the past few days as well and I can't help feeling those rules and ban system have something to do with it.

fallow summit
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anyone who supports moderation beyond cheating supports censorship and isnt emotionally mature enough to be playing a shooter cause somone said something mean

formal agate
fallow summit
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absolutely

fallow summit
fallow summit
formal agate
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lmao don't ping me, loser

fallow summit
sonic nymph
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What a weirdo haha. The dude is calling you a loser for something he began. Yeah again I'll just do my part and not report people.

formal agate
sonic nymph
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Then he pings me.

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🤣

fallow summit
sonic nymph
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"Yes, obviously!"

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"You piece of shit loser!"

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There I filled in his response.

fallow summit
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ty

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it sound accurate

sonic nymph
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Loool

fallow summit
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notice how he insulted me to

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but im the bad guy

sonic nymph
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Bro I was playing last night and just screaming for 30 seconds straight after every death and everyone thought that shit was hilarious.

fallow summit
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i literally lost my voice screaming my leg anytime i went down

sonic nymph
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🤣

delicate granite
delicate granite
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"It's a game, you should toughen up and have fun" is a defeatist phrase, and ignores the fact that not being able to say racist or similarly offensive things should not in any way take away from the game's fun.

spring vortex
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The spammers playing music can be muted via your own keyring by pressing a function key when it pops up.

If they're spamming their mic with actually bannable offensive type stuff, that's a different story.

But politics (I seen that ban happen to) was probably brought up for a funny meme or joke.

The incident could of been reviewed and gave a warning. Doubt anyone is debating politics in game chat.

Also I see countless racism bans. There's a time and place for race jokes, and it's not in a video game. Race jokes are made all the time by comedians and other forms of media that are actually funny. But some random cussing and throwing out a N bomb at someone that just killed up or to say it to be "funny" randomly is just cringe.

But a 2 warnings and 3rd report = ban seems like a good rule. 3 chances and your out.

spring vortex
# delicate granite "It's a game, you should toughen up and have fun" is a defeatist phrase, and ign...

But in the same breath, N bombs shouldn't be going off either. Like I just stated, there's a time and a place. Edgy people randomly blurting out the n word isn't funny, nor is it adding to the games fun. So I don't see your point or logic to your take.

I'm all about free speech and stuff. I envy joining guilds and clans that are open to free speech and not policing its members.

But in local prox chat to randomly hear that. Someone is trying to be edgy and funny. And it's really just not most of the time.

formal agate
delicate granite
sonic nymph
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Gamer society has fallen because of words. BBClown

spring vortex
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👍

fallow summit
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i hate all the cringe wokeism here

wind stirrup
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Personally I love that they ban people for being annoying. Sorry if you don't have another 15 bucks then don't annoy the crap out of everyone else

misty smelt
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cringe wokeism yall are fucking delusional

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getting banned for actual racism isnt wokeism you clowns

spring vortex
fallow summit
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im not talking politics

misty smelt
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okay pal

fallow summit
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im just saying no censorship

misty smelt
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bruh

fallow summit
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mute button exists

spring vortex
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LMAO

misty smelt
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censorship for fucking what

fallow summit
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if you dont like it mute

misty smelt
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bros brain broken fr

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"just ignore the racists theyll go away"

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cuz thats always worked so well

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it boils down to fuckin reading comprehension at like a fifth grade level. Can you read the rules? Great! You're in. Can't read the rules and break them? Too bad. If you dont like it boycott it like bud light doofus

fallow summit
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so your saying banning somone saying a slur in a game is gonna combat the kkk

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again you take video games too seriously

misty smelt
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like talking to a brick wall bro when tf did I say anything about the KKK

fallow summit
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they are a racist organization

delicate granite
fallow summit
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you stated

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"just ignore the racists theyll go away"
cuz thats always worked so well

misty smelt
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jfc

fallow summit
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suggesting gamers are the ones commiting hate crims irl if their ignored in game

misty smelt
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in game you idiot

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how dense are u

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didnt realize i had to spell it out for u

fallow summit
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not you throwing insults

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showing the emotional immaturity

misty smelt
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yes yes youre so mature my bad bro im an emotional snowflake youre right

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dumbass mf

delicate granite
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Again, sujinko plays ranked League.

misty smelt
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literally just saw that

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League players are the bottom of the barrel, change my mind

fallow summit
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says the one throwing insults

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over opinions

delicate granite
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Literally arguing against reducing toxicity while playing one of the most toxic games around. His perception has been irreperably skewed.

misty smelt
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clearly

fallow summit
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and notice how bans in league

misty smelt
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brain rot got too far

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shame

fallow summit
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dont get rid of toxicity

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crazy isnt it?

misty smelt
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theres always gonna be toxicity in gaming its a matter of how you wanna deal with it

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if you dont like the rules, leave. simple as that

delicate granite
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This game's environment isn't toxic at this point. I'm fine with keeping it that way.

misty smelt
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^^

fallow summit
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so jokes in a game make a toxxic environment

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not totalitarian moderation?

misty smelt
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im gonna go play the game now. have fun with your psuedo intellectual circle jerk @fallow summit

fallow summit
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insults then leaves

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you lost the debate when you slung insults

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your speaking with emotions

delicate granite
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No, viscous insults and racist slurs make a game toxic. You're clearly ignoring the important parts of the argument here.

misty smelt
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I smelled the debate lord a mile away lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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go back to reddit weirdo

fallow summit
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dont use reddit sorry

delicate granite
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not even Reddit wants this guy

fallow summit
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but nice assumptions

misty smelt
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my bad is it too woke

fallow summit
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they make you look smart

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no i just dont care about it

misty smelt
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dog idgaf if you or anyone in this chat thinks I look smart, im not here to stroke my ego liek you

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you clearly dont even play the game

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tf u here for

fallow summit
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thats why you got offended and slung insults when i disagreed with you

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cause you dont care so much

misty smelt
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literal brick wall IQ holy fuck bro

fallow summit
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you had to get emotional to show how you dont care

misty smelt
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yes im literally shaking and crying a shitting my pants rn

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sooooooo emotional

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youre insane fr homie

fallow summit
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it seems that way but you said it not me

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so somone who disagrees with you is now clinicallyy ill?

misty smelt
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someone whos intentionally obtuse to win "debates" in a video game discord is yeah

fallow summit
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you dont sound very pro freedom of speech

misty smelt
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Sheesh

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youre a nightmare

fallow summit
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now you go back to insults

misty smelt
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I got nothin man you dont even seem to care about the context of this thread at all

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just tryna make yourself look like you won ig?

fallow summit
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the context of the thread was to be more relaxed

misty smelt
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deragned fr

fallow summit
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with how they handle rules

misty smelt
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Thanks im aware

fallow summit
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so whats the point your trying to make

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lmao

misty smelt
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youre trying to do gotchas is my point ape

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have a good night stroking in the mirror!

fallow summit
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dont have flawed logic

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and dont rely on insults

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and it will help you

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you should be able to have a calm discussion when somone has a opposing view not instantly react and insult

misty smelt
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Im perfectly calm just dont have patience for fucking idiots like you lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo bye

fallow summit
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again relying on insults you seem to be unwilling to learn or you werent taught respect by your role models or mentors

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well hopefully you learn some day how to articulate your thoughts without attempting to do harm it will benefit everyone including yourself

delicate granite
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You're awfully sensitive to insults considering you're arguing against moderating toxic behavior. You're insufferable to talk to.

fallow summit
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not you insulting too when trying to make a point

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its almost like this isnt a gaming setting

delicate granite
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What point?

fallow summit
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and its a discussion?

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your own talking point you just stated?

delicate granite
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Maybe you haven't been using direct insults but your tone this whole time has been antagonistic, rude, and dismissive.

misty smelt
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Go outside bro

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talk to a girl

delicate granite
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All while pretending to "just want to have a discussion"

misty smelt
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literally anything

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bro has nothing better to do than try and "outsmart" people in a discord chat about a game he doesnt play. truly pathetic

fallow summit
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i do play it?

fallow summit
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well i mean technically im dismissive cause i disagree?

sonic nymph
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I have @fallow summit's back in this. You guys are just destroying the gamer infrastructure that was built before you came to inherit it.

delicate granite
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Well if that statement right there isn't a solid argument against sujinko's position, I don't know what is.

misty smelt
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"Gamer infrastructure" holy fuck HyperXD

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What gamer infrastructure is that im so curious

small ice
misty smelt
fallow summit
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@sonic nymph dont let these fortnite kids ruins the fun

sonic nymph
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These guys are getting upset because I'm aware of the gamer infrastructure they so sadly neglect and destroy.

jaunty token
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agreed

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the mods are to strict.

minor wolf
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Personally I'd agree with making this somehow more relaxed, however I do not see the point behind the need to accept the rules over and over. Most of us, and I'll speak myself, I'm not going to read it over and over. Just inconvenient little step to jump to the game that you won't see in any other game.

uncut jasper
quaint wedge
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Its annoying

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As others have pointed out @uncut jasper you dont see it in any other game and its an annoying extra step that is uneccesary

small ice
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gamers when they cant play a game without saying a slur or being an ass on the internet

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😔

upper trail
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It’s crazy that some people complain about not being able to call other people slurs over voip. And I’m here for all that salt

white laurel
misty smelt
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GaMeR iNfRaStRuCtUrE still laughin at that shit

spring vortex
misty smelt
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HAHA

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based zhogar

sonic nymph
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People hear a word through their headset and lose all sense of reality. Or rather - they go as high as they can go and jump to the bottom to reach these neet conclusions.

In this BattleBit clown world of Word Police, I am a Word Vigilante. Dishing out offensive words or screaming to entertain my fellow gamer in a gamer oppressed world.

People like @misty smelt @spring vortex @upper trail worship the idea of control. Me? I'm for freedom.

misty smelt
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Yup such a free thinker bro youre fighting the good fight

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Fucking dumbass

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We’re all actually agents of the Chinese Communist Party. You got us

sonic nymph
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If I'm such a dumbass, explain this picture to me. @misty smelt

misty smelt
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Epic troll bro

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Top tier comedy you typed some words

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End of the day youre still advocating for more slurs in a video game

sonic nymph
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I bet you can't explain why it says that.

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Because I didn't do it.

misty smelt
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Clown show

sonic nymph
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Sir, in this Discord we use BBClown

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You should change your profile picture to be more appropriate while participating in this discussion thread.

misty smelt
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Im gonna go back to work. Have fun with the circle jerk buddy

sonic nymph
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Feel free to ring me up a discount at wherever you work!

misty smelt
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“Theres no sense arguing with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.”

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No discounts in my industry sorry bud

sonic nymph
misty smelt
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I never claimed or desired importance.

sonic nymph
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When did I say that?

misty smelt
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Deletes his message

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Youre a coward fr

sonic nymph
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I didn't delete anything?

misty smelt
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Lol

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“Must not be very important to be arguing with a pig”

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Besides the point tho. Everyone with an IQ above room temperature can tell youre a fucking idiot

sonic nymph
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Never said that.

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If this is the censor advocate then we are truly hopeless.

misty smelt
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Intellectually dishonest and stupid. Surprise surprise

sonic nymph
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Aren't you supposed to be working?

misty smelt
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I am. On the ladder right now actually

rich lagoon
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Can we please not resort to ad hominem...

sonic nymph
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I don't think this guy can help himself.

rich lagoon
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That includes your clown emoji btw. Both are childish.

misty smelt
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God its like talking to a brick wall holy fuck

gilded niche
# quaint wedge It for sure has some issues but to say its especially rampant today Id strongly ...

Bro even in Roblox people will call you whatever they can without it getting tagged, I mean it’s been a little bit since I played CoD but that was even worse. This is how games are and I agree with Skoob that this game has this opportunity to make this a really chill at least less toxic place unlike many other games. I get what you’re saying, but so long as you’re not doing it shouldn’t be an issue. If others do it they should get a warning and after like 2-3 warnings each offense they get longer mic mutes and eventually perma mute unless they request for the mute to be turned off and explain their reasons why.

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Yes I replied 2 days later

misty smelt
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Literally all it boils down to is if you dont like the rules, leave

gilded niche
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No 4

gilded niche
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Also why are you guys arguing lol

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We should just wait and see what the devs decide to say

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After all they’re the ones who are really making these decisions, we’re just making suggestions

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So no need to fight lol

misty smelt
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My issue is that we have two fellas feigning intellectual superiority over everyone in here who disagrees with them, because they want MORE toxicity in gaming

gilded niche
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Plus when you start discussing about rules then it gets very complicated

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Also Bruh

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Why are they talking about intelligence lol

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That has nothing to do with this

gilded niche
misty smelt
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They keep saying people are being unjustly banned for racism/discrimination, calling it censorship, wokeism. Theres no actual change they want

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Theyre literally just here to call the devs and ppl who disagree woke lol

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I wouldnt be being such a dick if there was an actual coherent criticism but there isnt. Literally just children pissing and moaning

gilded niche
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Okay I see

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Well first of all

sonic nymph
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@rich lagoon Very good contribution.

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lol

gilded niche
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Censoring racism is important lol

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So idk why there’s complaints about that

rich lagoon
sonic nymph
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🧂

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I'm saying some REAL REAL bad things.

misty smelt
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Not bad. Just stupid. 🙂

sonic nymph
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The fact you're calling me stupid even though I'm just trolling you is ironic.

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🤣

misty smelt
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Classic cop out. “im just trolling u stupid!!”

sonic nymph
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Dude said arguing with me is like arguing with a pig and keeps doing it.

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Says he has to get back to work, keeps talking here.

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lol

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It's just weird.

misty smelt
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U got me so good holy fuck

gilded niche
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But I think most importantly is first of all we shouldn’t be calling each other things let’s have a civil conversation and state our points instead of just insulting each other, and secondly I don’t think people should get banned but they should for sure be muted and after their mute ends if they continue, longer mute and if they don’t stop even after that then I say ban to teach them a lesson (maybe) but you also have to remember most of these people wouldn’t say this irl they only say it because of the safety of being anonymous. Just teach them that it’s bad to say that don’t do that but still let them play the game

sonic nymph
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I did, the cherry on top is saying people are FEIGNING intellectual superiority when it's just saying who cares. 🤣

gilded niche
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Yeah I was gonna say, sorry skoob, but I don’t think you had the best approach when arguing that based on the words you’re using

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Like that

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And calling them pigs

misty smelt
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Thats fine i dont need anyone to agree with me

sonic nymph
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Dude is insulting me left, right, and center saying I'm stupid and a guy comes in and says me using an EMOJI is equal to that.

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I'm just laughing man.

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It's not even serious.

gilded niche
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I get it I’ve done that too but it’s easier to get your point across in an actual argument if you don’t add that extra stuff

night vortex
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this is a feedback channel guys leave ur opinion then leave wtf

quaint wedge
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Well unfortunatley that seems to be what happens here. The easily offended like to dish it out but can't take it then they want anyone who sends it back their way to be banned.

gilded niche
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GUYS

misty smelt
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When have I said anyone should be banned 😂😂😂

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You guys are actually delusional

gilded niche
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How about we wait until the devs figure this out and see what they have to say

sonic nymph
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See now he's even going after people who aren't technically against him.

gilded niche
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They’ll see it eventually

misty smelt
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Please tell me how Im going after anyone rn

gilded niche
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And whether we’ll actually get to talk to them or not idk but those poor devs now have to read through this whole conversation to figure out what we’re trying to say

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Even though half of it isn’t even related

sonic nymph
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Sorry I'm too busy WORKING to talk right now.

quaint wedge
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I came here and this guy is still here for days being very agressive telling people who agree with the post they have no goal or want no actual change, that we are just here to complain. But we do have a goal. We want the ban system to be less sensitive. Call us delusional all you want. I'm gonna practice what I preach and just hit that mute button on you @misty smelt Enjoy raging.

sonic nymph
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Need to get back to WORK

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🤣

quaint wedge
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Same lol

sonic nymph
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If it means anything. I really don't care if someone runs around and screams slurs, I just don't care. I wont report them. If others would like to report them, and have them banned; that's fine too. But there are some things which is stupid to get reported for (having experienced it myself). It doesn't necessarily mean I'll eventually get in trouble, but if I get banned because I'm just being goofy in a video game then it's a bit ridiculous.

gilded niche
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One last thing then I’ll leave, imagine a kid is hyper and they’re running around in in their hyper craze they accidentally push a kid over and hurt them. Would it be right to put the kid in time out for some time? Yes. Would it be right to arrest the kid and put him into juvenile school (is that what it is?) NO!! So people shouldn’t get banned for using their mics when they’re having fun or being “hyper” in this case, just put them on mute for a little bit maybe starting with an in-game hour and then working your way up to longer times and if they really won’t stop then perma mute them. (Start the actual mutes after warnings)

sonic nymph
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Make sure to re-read it before saying I'm advocating for the TERRIBLE RACISTS, lol. I'm just of the position that if they're doing something, I wont care; but if you want them banned go for it.

quaint wedge
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That's what I'm saying

sonic nymph
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Just not the stupid silly shit that people are getting bans for.

gilded niche
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Also this one guy called me retarded because I got killed and was bad and I literally just said “good kill” and then respawned lol

sonic nymph
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🤣

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I would of REPORTED HIM IMMEDIATELY.

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How dare he.

gilded niche
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Lmao

sonic nymph
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Literally had black people, or what sounded LIKE a black person, call ME the n-word.

gilded niche
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I hope he felt at least a little guilty about that but oh well

sonic nymph
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Maybe it was just some racist larper, either way.

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I just don't care - it's funny.

gilded niche
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People are people and they will be that way, we should have a system in place to keep this community nice and hopefully the first fps game to have such little toxicity but banning people after no warnings or mutes? I think that’s a little far

sonic nymph
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Games racist cause I saw a lot of banned chinese players yesterday.

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👍

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Must hate China.

gilded niche
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I mean i don’t think racism or anything like that should be tolerated what so ever but you can’t really control that so just warn and mute

sonic nymph
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That's the thing. If you run around screaming ni, I don't care; but I also wont care if you get banned.

gilded niche
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Lol

sonic nymph
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Or anything else.

gilded niche
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Yeah

sonic nymph
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But the report system honestly seems like a grey area to me because who exactly is reviewing everything?

gilded niche
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Alright well I have things to do, I hope this argument isn’t still going by the time I log back on lol

sonic nymph
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Are the bans determined by a single individual, or are there multiples; is it based on who is reviewing it at that time?

gilded niche
sonic nymph
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Two people can hear the same thing, but interpret the context differently.

gilded niche
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Oh shoot

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That’s a whole new issue now

sonic nymph
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That's how I look at it.

gilded niche
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Yeah I get what you’re saying

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Like having no jury vs a jury

sonic nymph
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Like again, a guy reported me because he killed me and I said "you have shit in your pants"

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Someone might interpret that as something besides me literally just saying some retarded shit to a guy who merc'd me.

gilded niche
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Oh yeah I get it

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Took me a minute lol

sonic nymph
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Like legit screamed out in VOIP

gilded niche
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Somebody might overthink it and say you’re attacking them or something

sonic nymph
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"THAT IS UNNCESSARY TO SPEAK TOME THAT WAY"

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And just went prone to report me

gilded niche
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Lol

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I mean i get it

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But then again like

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I wonder

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The issue is

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If somebody says something you don’t like

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And you wanna mute them

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You either have to be fast

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Or you have to wait until the next time the speak

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So maybe there should be a way to view people who were recently talking in VOIP

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And filter it at the time and by team

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So if you really don’t like what they’re saying then you can mute them

sonic nymph
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Here's my opinion on how you "solve" this issue:

Give players the ability to mute death-mics, give the players the ability to mute proximity, and give the players the ability to mute squad.

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Allow them to customize their mute potential.

gilded niche
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Also if you REALLY don’t like that stuff, then honestly, just don’t use VC it’s gonna be like that no matter what (sadly)

sonic nymph
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That would honestly solve a lot of VOIP issues altogether.

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Now if it's in chat, then honestly at that point idk.

gilded niche
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That actually makes a lot of sense

sonic nymph
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I think there is already a disable chat option.

gilded niche
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Also you can turn off death-mic in dettings

sonic nymph
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Just do it to disable enemies, teams, and squads.

gilded niche
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Settings*

sonic nymph
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No I mean the enemy death mic

gilded niche
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Oh you can’t turn that off?

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That should be an option lol

sonic nymph
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I don't think so, I think you just have a flat disable proximity chat and that's it.

gilded niche
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Yeah like muting certain groups I see what you’re saying

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Like this

upper trail
sonic nymph
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Projecting?

gilded niche
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Mic groups:

[M] Squad
[ ] Team
[M] Enemy death-mic

sonic nymph
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Right.

gilded niche
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M as in mute lol

sonic nymph
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Have a flat mute-all option, and then groups.

gilded niche
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Yeah

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Just as an example of what could be in the menu

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And maybe to make it even easier

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Have a separate VOIP tab in settings

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Separate from audio

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Unless it already is lol

sonic nymph
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I don't want to put my foot in my mouth but I don't think any of that exists besides muting while someone's talking, disabling YOUR death mic, and disabling voice altogether

misty smelt
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Pretty sure if death mic is disabled you dont hear anyone’s death VOIP. Havent tested myself so would be curious if thats the case

sonic nymph
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I have it disabled and still hear peoples death mics all the time.

misty smelt
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Gotcha. So i’m wrong

sonic nymph
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Again, if someone is gonna go and scream gamer words. What ever. If they get banned, what ever. But you would likely have a lot less issues if there were just more options for players to control what they hear. Most of the time you hear ""bad things"" is from the opposite side when you kill them.

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I've been called a lot of things just because I run up and gun 3 people down.

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I just say "fuck you" in reponse because it irritates them more.

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But it's hilarious to get killed and just start wailing.

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"AAAAARRGGH FUUUUUUCK. AAAAH IM FUCKIN' DYING."

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Very effective tactic to confuse your enemies and make them laugh.

misty smelt
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Yeah thats the beauty of VOIP in this game. Its peak comedy

sonic nymph
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Listen, I apologize Skoob if I offended you or insinuated anything that may of been insulting. I think we have an understanding, and both enjoy the game. I just think some people are potentially paying the price of a ban for something that was misinterpreted or taken out of context. That's all.

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I'm also just a troll so when I see people arguing I just say really, and I mean really cringe shit.

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Gamer infrastructre is a good example.

misty smelt
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🤝 not offended at all

sonic nymph
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infrastructure*

misty smelt
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Lmfao gotcha. Lost in translation I guess. Its hard to parse out that shit sometimes because ppl will say that shit straight faced, “gamers are oppressed” etc

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Just such a fucking joke imo

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Sorry for being a giant dick

sonic nymph
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The only way gamers are being oppressed are by modern gaming & being neets (self-inflicted).

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That's okay. It was funny tbh.

misty smelt
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Eeeeeeexaaaaaactly fucking based my dude

uncut jasper
uncut jasper
misty smelt
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^^

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this

uncut jasper
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I agree though. The pop up is insignificant, and if people really have this much of an issue, then adding an option to not let it pop up again (unless you reject) would be okay. This game already has so much care put into it so it baffles me how this is the issue people are upset about of all things and to such a massive degree.

sonic nymph
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Thanks haha. At the end of the day I've played a lot of the playtests for BattleBit and have been watching it since it began holding them, so I obviously don't want to get myself banned so I know the line and where not to cross.

warped hare
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Just have an auto mic level function

uncut jasper
warped hare
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I would like Just a click, not a hold

uncut jasper
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It also acts as a reminder to prevent the argument of "I wasn't aware of this why was I banned this is so unfair bad game bad game BBClown ".

uncut jasper
warped hare
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Or a shorter hold, half the time

sonic nymph
spring vortex
# sonic nymph People hear a word through their headset and lose all sense of reality. Or rathe...

Control? No. It's not controlling to have rules to ban for racism.
I'm definitely on the right side of things when it comes to ideas and politics.
But I'm also mature also and know when certain things can be said, and when certain things can't or shouldn't be said.

There's a difference between control and moderation.

Also someone that knows "gaming infrastructure" should be up to date on what skoob's picture is if you keep up with games. IDk it's only 1 out of like 3 or 4 games over the past few months that have been absolute trash. You know, the problem thats with AAA studios these days and why we're all playing Battlebit in the first place?

sonic nymph
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Someone didn't read.

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🤣

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The Big Three Zero gamer boi grinding MMO's Racing Sims, and FPS games for a living. Or at least I wish it was for a living. J OMEGALUL B KEKW

cobalt mango
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wtf are the mods doing

cobalt mango
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GDPR Blocked in your country ETC privacy policy PAY US TO VIEW OUR CLICKBAIT ARTICLE something

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it doesn't help

covert crag
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gonna be real... a lot of the people coming into the discord claiming they were banned for just saying something like "fuck you", pretty quickly come out as toxic af harassing chatters within minutes so its pretty obvious why they were banned in game. i can completely understand the frustration if people are getting auto banned from reports then unbanned later when mods look through the reports though.

sonic nymph
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Could you name and shame them? @covert crag so we know who you're specifically talking about.

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Cause that way we can then go and see if they were actually banned in-game too.

covert crag
sonic nymph
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Oh ok.

crisp pawn
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Like, even IF that was true, that's still their responsibility. lmao

covert crag
crisp pawn
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They claim it's an error while sitting on a cheater Discord with a buyer role. Absolutely mental.

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Some banned guy a day ago was like "yeah I bought it but didn't use it" like what.

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People are getting dumber day by day.

crisp pawn
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I know, but they also know the rules. Like, just don't say it in game. lmao

stuck thistle
# cobalt mango wait,you can get banned for saying that? wtf? it's not even harrassment

Yep, BB is ban first ask questions later game. So what you didn't have any actual racist or sexist remarks? The bluehair on your team didn't like you calling him a gluesniffer for camping at spawn with his starter sniper rifle and doing jack shit to help the team and reported you for made up reasons and thanks to 2023 political correctness, extreme oversentivism and wokism you get banned because the mere though of hurting someone's feelings is deemed too much of a threat. And good luck with getting a mod to actually verify these false claims and unban you. There are people who are simply too good at the game who are still banned because someone didn't like they had better game sense and higher K/D than them.

crisp pawn
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You gotta actively piss them off somehow to get THAT many reports.

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Seems certain names or clan tags help with that.

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Even if I go like 60:1 with an APC, no one complaints. But my name is also literally just [hitme] None.

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Anything with Asian characters gets reports by default.

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Apparently

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God knows what else triggers people. HyperXD

stuck thistle
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All you need to do is be better at the game and thanks to the horrible report feature anyone can spam reports at anyone
There are people in #patreon-backers from time to time showing off screenshots of all the reports they accumulated simply because some salty CoD kido couldn't stomach being steamrolled by a better player

crisp pawn
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With JUST that, you also need to find servers full with those.

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I struggle to get any reports. Those bots might be all in 127vs127 tho. That's where most sweats farm.

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I normally stick to 32vs32.

stuck thistle
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yeah, most of these really good players seem to stick to 254 players since it's real easy to farm kills there as that's where all the noobs go first since that's the main attraction of BB

crisp pawn
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Yeah. I got tired of that after 3 matches.

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You gotta live for noise and numbers to play this.

stuck thistle
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eh, it would be a great place to chill out, fuck around and maybe role play a bit, but when something so simple as saying to someone to stick those claymores up his ass and detonate then has the potential to get you banned since the snowflakes can't even take a bit of friendly banter, nobody really even tries that so it's really just a bunch of noobs and tryhards chasing K/D

quaint wedge
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^

azure lake
misty smelt
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genuinely curious

fallow summit
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if that isnt playful banter idk what is

sonic nymph
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🤣

graceful flower
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People getting banned for politics LOL

young drum
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Yeah pretty fucked people are getting banned for something as vague politics

stuck thistle
covert crag
wintry parrot
wintry parrot
wintry parrot
wintry parrot
pine plume
delicate granite
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I support the idea that for your first one or two text/voice related violations, you're just hit with a temporary communication mute. I think this would allow people to learn where the line is drawn without instantly permanently losing access to the game.

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Side note: The vast majority of you playing music over VC need to lower your volume. I don't mind the music itself but you all play it so loud that I can't hear anything else in the game.

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Actually, that's probably what "disruptive VC" means, now that I think about it.

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Playing music or other sounds so loud that it hampers the ability of others to perform at the game.

And yes I know muting is a thing, but I think everyone will be happier if mic spammers lower their volume so that they can still be heard without making everyone want to mute them, which would defeat the purpose.

warped hare
remote compass
rough igloo
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Called some dude a wuss and 6 of his buddies all reported me for disruptive chat. I can see all their names. Amazing game but busted fucking report system.

spring vortex
# delicate granite Side note: The vast majority of you playing music over VC need to lower your vol...

TRUE. I don't care abt the music spammers and role players either. Happens all the time in squad and Holdfast (Civil War esc game). And genuinely its funny or entertaining for the moment that they have the music on or RP'ing. But the volume is so loud its basically borderline ear r**e(blurring this since I got auto muted on this discord before for typing "$h17".

Honestly the ONLY report I have done so far was someone's ign had the n word in it. But with accented characters, like accented A's and an accented I(i).

spring vortex
# rough igloo Called some dude a wuss and 6 of his buddies all reported me for disruptive chat...

I turned off death chat for myself after the first day, since if I die to bullshit I usually cuss a storm. And I was finding myself trying to tame myself and not insult my killer. Even thou in any other game I have always trash talked. But I knew from playtests for this game that some of the report options would be grounds for the trash talk from death VC so I turned it off. Sad really. After the first 2 days of early access I haven't heard a single death vc since then.

pine plume
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Tbh the best solution I can think of is to make false reports a bannable offense.

I've also thought of like a "3 strikes you're out system" when it comes to being disruptive in voice chat, so you get a set amount of warnings and when those run out then the banhammer is swung. The warnings could reset after every 3 months or something as another idea... But the principle is the same

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Ofc zero tolerance for cheating, but shit talking? Can easily enforce a warning system

vale moon
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One of the funniest moments I've had in the game was from someone playing "I'm holding out for a hero" as we were getting absolutely surrounded and destroyed within the first 3 minutes of the game. The screams from people's reactions, especially in the beginning of the game make it fun. But the randomness of the screams, sound effects, or music is the best.
That isn't the issue. The issue is the direct toxicity, hate, and targeting of others through text and voice. That and if people don't stop when the majority have asked them to(trolling). Obviously if I go into a team and start blasting music, I'm in the wrong.

Otherwise, you can mute people, ignore them, or turn the volume down if you don't want to engage with them.
If someone starts coming in though and saying shit about you, then that's a different story.
But I don't think we should be policing the voice chat to the extent that you get banned for political conversations, music, etc. As long as there's no hate involved.

rare marten
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unborn finch
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god forbid someone in your game is speaking a lot and having fun because muting them is so hard.

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idk why people can get muted for spamming voip or talking about certain subjects, they made it comically easy to mute anybody you don't want to hear

unborn finch
unborn finch
misty smelt
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Bros literally talking about the n word in that message

rare marten
unborn finch
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free·dom of speech
noun
noun: freedom of speech; plural noun: freedoms of speech
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"the move would further harm freedom of speech in the region"

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almost like without censorship or restraint is a big part of freedom of speech

rare marten
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where in the description of battlebit does it declare itself a free speech zone? go to twitter and suck off elon or something. this is major loser shit.

unborn finch
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was i talking about battlebit? it's okay to be wrong, i forgive you

rare marten
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....what else would you even be talking about? this is the battlebit server.

unborn finch
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in context to my messages you would know but you only look at things at surface level

rare marten
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"it's okay to be wrong" you're right, you're very good at being wrong lil bro

misty smelt
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Average debate bro lmfao “WaS i TaLkInG aBoUt BaTtLeBiT?” BBClown

unborn finch
misty smelt
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Yeah see thats the thing you can be pro freedom of speech and anti being a fuckin asshole. The argument thats been made multiple times in this thread is that “if I cant say whatever I want im being censored” which is objectively stupid. If you dont like the rules, suggest a solution or leave. Literally just here to bitch

worn abyss
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Ya'll dont see people getting banned in squad or any other similiar game for talking in voip
Being banned from using voip should not be a thing should be a mute at most

unborn finch
worn abyss
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why would you not talk about the game in a thread about the game what

misty smelt
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Took the words out of my mouth

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Like whats your goal here if not to critique the game

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Oooohh lemme guess youre an epic troll ecks dee

pine plume
# vale moon One of the funniest moments I've had in the game was from someone playing "I'm h...

The thing is that's in every game and everywhere on the internet.

Sure freedom of speech is important but it doesnt free you from consequences.

That said, the discussion isn't about this. Its about banning people by default who were claimed to speak out of turn by the community. There's been several accounts (and I'm an eyewitness) of people getting banned for simple things like saying the words "idiot" or "wuss"

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How can this be improved to more accurately remove toxic players and cheaters without impacting good-natured trash talk as much?

Cuz right now people are avoiding VoIP because of the ban risk, its much quieter than it was on the playtest

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Not an easy question but why this thread is here.

vale moon
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Right, but I'm saying along with that, you shouldn't be banned for what I said above, unless it was hateful or actual spam. That doesn't free people of consequences, that just allows people to have fun and as you said, do what every other game allows on the internet

pine plume
spring vortex
# unborn finch "I'm all about free speech, however you cant say....."

? We're playing a video game my guy. No need to be saying the n bomb. Literally unnecessary. Just keep self exposing yourselves.

Free speech in USA and free speech in a global game is different things.

Just like rules in public in the US are different than when you step into a private business on private property.

So quote me all you want. Still doesn't change the fact you want to be able to say the n word with no consequence, and just tell everyone who doesn't like it to mute you.

worn abyss
vale moon
verbal harness
bronze crest
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i'm happy that the rules are like that

spring vortex
# worn abyss Ya'll dont see people getting banned in squad or any other similiar game for tal...

It's also not broadcasted. People get banned from squad servers too. It's just not made public knowledge.

The servers are also community ran and paid for. So the server owner and their mod team are the ones who come up with the rules and how they enforce them.

Same goes here. Oki and the dev team with their mods are the ones who make the rules and how they want to enforce them.

Ones public, the other isn't. Shocking hoe that is if you use your brain and critically think.

Using free speech, and using slurs when there's rules against slurs and claiming free speech after the fact is two different things.

Also basically all squad servers have rules against racism. So idk where this talk about squad this, and squad that.

Just because these people haven't been reported or caught doesn't mean they're not breaking the server rules they play on.

spring vortex
spring vortex
pine plume
# worn abyss Where did he state anything about nword?

that was never mentioned. and be careful not to conflate the word "idiot" or "wuss" with the n word.

We're just saying that right now the enforcement is so strict that people are getting banned for calling people names in playful banter (i.e. "You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, you idiot") to their friends- and people are reporting them. As a result, appeals to these bans are needed.

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so a better solution is needed.

tender wharf
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There is a reason why freedom of speech is the 1st Amendment in the Constitution. In 1776, people with much higher intelligence and morals knew the importance of this, but in today's degenerate braindead wokism and moral high ground, virtue signaling nonsense, the 1st Amendment and freedom of speech are getting replaced with censorship and a catering to people who, instead of being stoic and unphased like real men should be, are instead emotional and fragile, acting more like women and children instead. Freedom is always better than censorship. If you don't like words or insults and banter are too difficult for you to deal with, there's always the mute button.

carmine rain
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1st amendment means the government can't put you in a box because you said the president looks like he wears a diaper

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they'll still visit your house if you threaten his life publicly

tender wharf
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Threats of violence does not fall under the 1st Amendment if you were to read it. That is the only thing that isn't acceptable as far as speech is concerned.

carmine rain
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doesn't sound very free to me

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freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom from consequences bucko

tender wharf
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Read the 1st Amendment.

carmine rain
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i've read plenty of it during school, i assume you're still there so you might wanna ask up

tender wharf
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It's telling that you haven't read it, if you thought threats of violence are covered by the 1st Amendment.

carmine rain
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also the fact this game is available internationally and the US constitution doesn't apply to everywhere else

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aka ic issue, git gud, don't say stupid shit

tender wharf
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The US Constitution is a better way to live in a society, which is the reason America for 200 years has been the top country in the world. The reason we are no longer the top country in the world is because America is no longer taking it seriously.

worn abyss
carmine rain
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i don't think their EULA prevents me from calling you a bad player

worn abyss
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Actually it does.

carmine rain
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i'll be sure to let you know when I get a strike for it

tender wharf
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You calling me a bad player offends me, I feel like I'm being harassed. See how easy it is to muddy the waters?

carmine rain
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i already know you're coming at this from a bad faith approach so it means literally nothing to me

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your specific way of typing offends me, please stop before I report it

tender wharf
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You missed the point. This is what happens when the goal posts of free speech continue on the projected path it's currently on. Today we can't say the n word, but next year I won't even be able to tell you your opinion is wrong.

worn abyss
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okay i dont stand for nword wtf

tender wharf
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Everything is harassment, everything is toxic, everything is hate speech. They're already saying things on college campuses like "hate speech is violence" lol.

carmine rain
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i barely said anything and bro already went mask-off

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that's how you should know this argument is not even remotely in good faith

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"first you can't say the nword, what will they do next?"

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lmao

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clownworld is real and you're living in it brother

tender wharf
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You need to see the point of where this is leading to. There was a guy that was banned for 45 minutes for calling someone a "tard" in chat, it's ridiculous. If that's now the line instead of racial slurs, then what will become of it tomorrow? And on the topic of racial slurs, I don't know how many times I've been called a cracker online, or redneck trailer trash or whatever, simply because I'm not a city boy. Simply because I'm white. But the only reason cracker doesn't hold the same weight as the n word, is because white people don't give it any power. We're not crying incessantly over it and we don't act like the entire world is out to get us for being white.

carmine rain
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so because you get called it, that makes it okay for you to say it back?

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since you seem so keen on bringing up US law when it comes to censorship

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you do realize the amount of history and tension that goes behind the context of the n-word, correct?

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i assume you were taught history before the states started trying to ban any mention of racial inequality

tender wharf
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On top of all that I've said, the way to handle words and insults isn't to shit your pants over everything anybody says, but the best way to react is by stoicism. Not giving a fuck, because at the end of the day it's just words, and the people hurling insults at you, whether its fun banter or not, don't mean anything to me, because their words don't validate or invalidate me. Men should be taught not to react out of emotions, let that be for women and children. Wokism needs to end. I miss the freedom of the 90s, was way better.

carmine rain
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you do realize the civil rights act wasn't even passed till the 60s, correct?

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there are people who are still alive from that era who got to witness firsthand the heinous shit

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people from both sides

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your last two sentences should be enough to disregard this entire argument

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"men shouldn't show emotions" lmao

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gonna bottle it all up so you can say the funny slur words online where you can't get beat up for it?

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good way to emotionally stunt yourself

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that shit is just straight up depressing dog

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if that's how you live your life you need therapy

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because battlebit remastered discord ain't helping you get out of that mindset

tender wharf
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There's been heinous shit happening all throughout mankinds history, and to pretend like it only happened to black people is ludricrus. Countless white people have been subject to slavery in the past as well. In the end, people have always been evil. Atrocities, violence, and evil have always been commonplace throughout our history. Because people are evil. That's why there's tons of wars going on continuously. But for you to cry about being called a shitstain or a pussy ass bitch or whatever anyone wants to call you, that's a weak reaction. If more dads were around today we wouldn't have a bunch of little boys crying themselves to sleep over words other people say to them.

carmine rain
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i'd rather live with a bunch of 'soft boys' who lacked a father figure than whever the hell brought this mindset into your life

tender wharf
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I grew up in the 90s when the world was a way better place. You're clearly under the age of 25 so you're not going to understand what life could be like with freedom of speech in it. Don't know what else to tell ya. Maybe just grow a backbone and quit being a pussy.

carmine rain
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you're the one whining like a bitch on a suggestion discord

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lmao

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see that might get me in trouble in their EULA

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but you're not a very nice person in general so w/e

tender wharf
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I'm an extremely nice person. I'm taking a stand against censorship. This is what real men do. We stick our necks out and call spades a spade. This wokism shits gotta go. And if it doesn't well at least I voiced my opinion on it. You're more like an npc going with the flow of things because you've been taught that censorship and bad words are the end of the world lol. I think I've said all I've needed to say on it. But there's a reason this post has received well over 100 likes. A lot of people agree with me even though they're afraid to say it.

formal agate
bronze crest
tender wharf
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I assure you I'm not a prick, but I don't care either way. Think what ya want.

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145 likes is pretty high considering a vast majority of other posts in feedback get way less.

bronze crest
tender wharf
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My experience in people agreeing with me doesn't stem from just the likes this post receives. This is all across the internet. Most people are scared of saying the things I'm sayinig rn. Because a lot of people get banned for saying such things.

formal agate
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That's because most people are reasonable and can agree that a temp mute, perm mute are acceptable warnings. It's only a few people who get really upset and get mad they can't be racist, then frame their lame arguments as being "pro free speech" or "anti-censorship", conveniently ignoring that neither free speech nor censorship applies to private companies banning people who are shouting racist things in chat.

bronze crest
carmine rain
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just a reminder that desantis' lawyers were forced by a federal judge to legally define what they meant by woke, with the definition being "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them"

tender wharf
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I for one don't say the n word, or use any racial slurs. That doesn't mean I don't call people pussy ass bitches on the mic and say some shit for my own personal entertainment. I think it's fun when I get into a battle of wits with other dudes they talk their shit I talk mine. If you don't like talking shit then that's your own preference. I don't care either way. But I come from Rust and part of the reason I like Rust is you can just be yourself and troll people in a fun bantery type way.

formal agate
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Freedom of speech and censorship are specifically relating to the government not being allowed to prosecute you for your political views. That's it. Any private company, battlebit included, has nothing to do with that. They have every right to implement whatever rules they want, and take any action they want against anyone who breaks them and there's nothing wrong with that. Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from consequences, especially those of your peers, other citizens, or private companies. You wanna say the N word? No one is stopping you. But you might get punched, kicked off the property, banned, and told never to come back, and all those things are both legal and OK. Just like you wanna excercise your freedom by being racist, everyone else excercises their freedom by kicking your racist ass to the curb.

tender wharf
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A lot of woke people play dirty when they get into arguments like this, which is why others who agree with me aren't willing to argue about it on a public forum that can get them banned. Because woke people aren't honest in my experience. They are quick to call others racists and homophobes and other crap when in reality freedom of speech and fighting for it is a noble cause. Everyone should want freedom of speech. You guys really need to stop crying lol.

bronze crest
carmine rain
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ever hear of the tolerance paradox?

tardy flare
tender wharf
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I don't tolerate everything. I don't tolerate violence. I don't tolerate people who suffer from crippling cowardice. I don't tolerate injustice. I don't tolerate a lot of things. But I tolerate people's freedom to say what they want, because people should be able to. If you don't like it, quit crying about it and click the mute button.

formal agate
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you aint fooling anyone.

carmine rain
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yeah the moderator's don't like your speech

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so they muted you from the game

tender wharf
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You guys know there's a mute button, right?

carmine rain
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yeah but its funnier when the moderators do the muting for me because its a global mute

formal agate
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then mute yourself and yell all the racist stuff you want in your own home, where no one else can hear you. There, freedom of speech problem solved.

tender wharf
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Walk, did I not just tell you I don't use racial slurs? Again with the dirty play, this is why people don't like arguing with you woke dudes.

formal agate
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you try and use woke as an insult, "bro". It's obvious where you stand, and you stand with every other racist. You might not think you are racist, but don't you find it a bit weird you're using all the same arguments they use, the same dog whistles, the same views, etc?

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Like, just don't throw out the N word and you won't get banned. That's literally all there is too it. It's not that hard.

carmine rain
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"i don't use slurs, i just happen to stand by people who would feel like their rights are being taken away by not being able to say them"

tender wharf
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A lot of people who side with me are not racist. You're one of those leftist npcs that have been brainwashed into thinking that all white people who love freedom of speech are racists lol. This is slander, and it's dirty. And you need to stop.

worn abyss
tender wharf
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There's a different between calling people tards and pussy ass bitches and calling someone a cracker or the n word. I don't tolerate racial slurs of any kind. And the fact that you're continuing to slander me and my character could be a form of harassment and bigotry (to play by your own playbooks).

carmine rain
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you're sounding pretty woke right now

formal agate
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Not gonna start an argument on politics, as that'll get toxic quick. You've made your stance clear, though. I don't even have to argue, you've done all that for me. Everyone here knows exactly where you stand, so good job.

carmine rain
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uh oh

tender wharf
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Yes I'm imitating wokeness lol. Everyone likes to jump on that harassment and bigotry card haha.

carmine rain
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don't speak for the freedoms of people wanting to use slurs and people won't associate them with you

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seems pretty simple to me

tender wharf
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Everyone should know where I stand. I'm a man with a voice and I'm not afraid to defend my beliefs. As far as woke people I'll say this as well, as long as you're not screaming your bs into my ears and acting like just because I disagree with you that I'm "literally hitler", then I can be chill with you. In fact I do have some libs that I'm friends with, but they're the chill kind of libs, not the crazies.

pine plume
carmine rain
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he'll just call you manipulative because he himself doesn't use slurs

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despite ignoring the fact he more or less champions for those who would love to under his ideal setting

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its very much a case of "i am not offended by the words so why should anyone else be?"

worn abyss
tender wharf
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Again with the strawman of me vouching for any racial slurs to be said. You guys need to stop with the dirty tactics and listen to what I'm saying. I'm vouching for calling people pussy ass bitches in chat, like you can do in almost every other game. The fact people are getting 45 minute bans for calling others "tards" is the thing I'm fighting against. I don't believe BattleBit needs to become a nut squeezing place for karens to scream over every little word that people say like they do on Reddit subs. I don't want this place becoming Reddit 2.0. Does this private company have a right to become that? Yes, of course. But this is a feedback chat. We can provide our feedback and say that's not what we want. Whatever the company does in the end is on them.

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This is why nobody wants to talk to you guys about anything lol, because you guys end up going to great lengths to paint people who argue against freedom of speech in the worst possible light, all amount of slander and malicious accusing is at the front of your playbooks. If more people spoke out against all this cancel culture censorship and desire to ban everything that isn't "positive vibes" and a super safe space then you guys would be more informed of the nuance between why people want free speech. Instead, since no one wants to talk to you guys about it, because you play dirty when they do, you guys remain ignorant of what makes freedom of speech a beautiful thing in the first place.

worn abyss
spring steeple
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is there anyone to talk to about a ban?

worn abyss
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Make a ticket

spring steeple
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lol

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those dont work'

misty smelt
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@carmine rain @formal agate Doing the lords work lmfao

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“StOiC lIkE rEaL mEn” HyperXD HyperXD

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I cant be racist its literally 1984!1!!1!1!

crisp pawn
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Ideally moderation wouldn't give a single shit about any of this and focus only on the relevant things: Actual cheaters and griefers.

But we live in a degenerated world full of pissy snowflakes, and they don't want to get cancelled by the special need kids of Twitter for racism, sexism or whatever bullshit they can come up with because "Oh no someone said a word, my life is in shatters!!!", so they gotta do this.

Gotta play a based game for that. If those even exist nowadays.

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In the end it's just the rules of the house.

carmine rain
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anime pfp detected, opinion disregarded

tender wharf
# misty smelt “StOiC lIkE rEaL mEn” <:HyperXD:622619810492055562> <:HyperXD:622619810492055562...

Stoicism is better than being emotional so yes, a true man doesn't go around acting on his feelings. A lot of you guys are butthurt over words because you can't control or handle your feelings. If someone insults you, should you cry like someone who can't control their emotions? Or should you react indifferently, knowing that whatever anyone says about you means fuck all, since words for or against you made by other people neither validate or invalidate you. My way is the more excellent way. Free speech is better than censorship. And obviously the people on my side of the argument agree with me 3 to 1 as it's 150 to 50 considering the upvote ratio of this post. Wokism isn't going to win. In the end it will be a blip in history that future generations read about in social studies text books and laugh at.

misty smelt
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so braindead holy shit

tender wharf
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Your side resorts to insults and ad hominem. My side resorts to stoicism and logic.

carmine rain
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mfer ate the book on stoicism and ain't been the same since

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i hope you get help for these worldviews because they are extremely unhealthy to hold to such a high degree

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genuinely

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this "real men act stoic and don't show emotion" is the kind of shit that drives up suicide rates as men are told to suck it up and bottle their feelings

tender wharf
carmine rain
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i hope you are a troll because the alternative is someone with a very unhealthy outlook on life and their own emotions

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may god help you because this discord sure as hell won't

tender wharf
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You know what you get when you don't have stoicism? You get school shooters. And little boys that women don't respect or feel comfortable or safe around. Weak men who act on emotion produce the inability to provide and protect a society. Crying over little words instead of acting like a man firmly planted in his own identity. I blame all the fathers who weren't in so many of these kid's lives for why America and the west have become so soft.

misty smelt
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Stoicism and logic hows that workin out for ya man? male suicide rates are throught the fucking roof.

worn abyss
tender wharf
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As far as male suicide is concerned most of that comes down to them not being able to gain the respect from women. Mostly because again as reasons stated men are as weak as they've probably ever been throughout human history. When you have things like male feminism and men feeling like being emotional is somehow better than men who act stoic and logical, doing things that are their duty because it's their duty to do them, instead of going around being emotional acting on their feelings, that's when you end up having a lot of problems in society. That's when you can't find a woman to be with you. That's when we have the problems we have in society today. Feminism and women wanting to be strong and independent is just a reaction to weak men. They'd rather men take care of them, but they look around and realize there aren't any men, so they feel like they need to do it themselves. They end up miserable but it's men's fault in the end.

misty smelt
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bros projecting so hard no woman has ever felt safe around this dude

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AHAHHA no fucking way man

crisp pawn
worn abyss
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👀

tender wharf
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You really think a woman worth being with is going to look at all this and think, oh wow this guy can really protect me. No. She's going to think you're a geek. Crying about little words on the internet and seeking ways to make sure no one can say anything that might hurt your feelings lol.

misty smelt
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Dude youre the one writing paragraphs about your insane views in a discord chat about video game moderation

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Get a fucking grip the west isnt falling bc u cant say the nword on battlebit

paper tendon
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fight fight fight

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anyways my only 2c on the rules is my friend got temp banned for mic being too loud/excessive, that was cringe

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but otherwise i think its fine

tender wharf
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Yeah some dude got a 45 min ban for saying "tard" in chat lol.

paper tendon
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that's also cringe

worn abyss
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I got 2 day ban for calling someone retard

tender wharf
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That's the only reason I'm even in here man. Tired of all the karen wokeness creeping into every chat of every video game.

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Just really needs to stop.

carmine rain
worn abyss
carmine rain
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any sense of legitiment criticsm about their leniency of speech is ruined because people like you exist in the conversation

paper tendon
carmine rain
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"june is the worst month"

crisp pawn
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The fact that you got no arguments, thus only reach for things outside the convo, says it all.

tender wharf
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While that may be true there's a feedback section, and I'll at least voice my feedback so people know where I stand on it.

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I think if everyone was like me video game creators would observe that wokeness is actually in the minority.

carmine rain
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a tolerant society that tolerates intolerates gets overrun by said intolerants in the long run

paper tendon
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and honestly, battlebit is much better than most games. Like battlefield has outright disabled all chat

carmine rain
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you do not help society in the long run

paper tendon
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look at league of legends

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riot seem to think every one of their active players is on suicide watch

crisp pawn
tender wharf
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Honestly if the game turns into Reddit 2.0 I'll just move on, it's not a big deal. I'm not playing a game that wants to censor things that don't allow me to call people a pussy ass bitch lol.

paper tendon
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I don't think it will

tender wharf
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If someone wants to tell me they're going to bone my sister after they kill me that's all fine too, it's more fun when there's some shit talk involved.

carmine rain
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"i dont say slurs, i just think other people should be allowed to say them"

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cry me a river bigot

paper tendon
carmine rain
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that is literally what your argument boils down to

paper tendon
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just general toxicity

carmine rain
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nah but kat is

paper tendon
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what slur is he talking about

crisp pawn
tender wharf
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Yeah they're constantly mentioning slurs because they don't have a pot to piss on. That's their only talking point, even though I've mentioned a few times that I don't believe in people saying racial slurs. They play dirty though.

karmic mauve
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i said a no no word and go banned i think its pretty dumb

carmine rain
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"first its slurs, whats next?"

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"im white so the n-word doesn't effect me due to the history so i dont really see the big deal about using it"

crisp pawn
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First they come for your slurs, then your children.

tender wharf
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Did you just try to misquote me verbatim lol.

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Dudes a schemer for sure.

worn abyss
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Why are we always derailing towards racism when we are actually ontopic of casual swears bringing bans what thef

crisp pawn
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Next is my pet shark. kittenCry

karmic mauve
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@crisp pawn can i pweese get unbanned i regret my actions

carmine rain
crisp pawn
carmine rain
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i dont even have to misquote you

tender wharf
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I've been talking about shit like calling dudes pussy ass bitches and these guys are like "BUT YOU WANNA SAY THE N WORD???" lmfao

paper tendon
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yeah idk about that argument but I'm pretty sure his main talking point is that retard shouldn't be banned in game

tender wharf
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They don't give up.

carmine rain
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i can post your own text verbatim

karmic mauve
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i got banned for calling someone a dumbass old man and maybe the f word

tender wharf
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Post the text where I say that I don't believe racial slurs should be said in the game.

karmic mauve
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kinda dumb

tender wharf
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Really?

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You can't even say dumbass lol.

karmic mauve
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no

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f slur

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pretty dumb

tender wharf
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Well there's a reason this post has 157 likes.

carmine rain
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there's a reason it only has 157 likes

crisp pawn
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Not if snowflakes report you for it.

tender wharf
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The crybabies are in the minority, but they act like everyone believes their stance lol..

karmic mauve
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we should be able to say whatever we want tbh and dont ban us mau=ybe just mute

paper tendon
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i mean the hard f bomb is kinda fair enough

carmine rain
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clown react all you want, its the most power you'll ever get in this place

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and that i am thankful for

tender wharf
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An f bomb?

karmic mauve
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f slur for the lgbtq is what i said

crisp pawn
carmine rain
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please tell me again about how the current generation is full of softboys with no father figures because the current generation doesn't take kindly to you being a bigot

worn abyss
carmine rain
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about how stoic and manly you are

crisp pawn
carmine rain
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anime pfp

crisp pawn
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See

carmine rain
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post your top 10 anime list

karmic mauve
crisp pawn
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Soyboy is mad about literally anything.

tender wharf
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Honestly I grew up in the 90s, if we did something stupid around our friends we were called all kinds of shit. We learned not to be cringe, and if we did cringe shit we got punished for it. If half the stuff said to me when I was kid were said to some of these kids they wouldn't be able to handle it. Probably why there's so many school shootings in schools these days.

carmine rain
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yeah i wear the cat ears helmet in halo infinite what you gonna do about it softboy?

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i'll topfrag against you too

crisp pawn
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Cringe

karmic mauve
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pussy

carmine rain
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maybe hit me up after the match and i'll give you pointers

karmic mauve
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you get offended by words online, get a grip please

carmine rain
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show you how to stop anchoring for your team

crisp pawn
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I don't need to know where the next therapist is, thanks.

carmine rain
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i get offended by idiots who parade beside actual bigots thinking they're free speech absolutists

paper tendon
carmine rain
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your words don't mean much to me

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i just make sure to let you know how dumb you actually are

worn abyss
paper tendon
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?

crisp pawn
karmic mauve
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didnt say that @paper tendon

carmine rain
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propaganda for what, softboy?

karmic mauve
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i said dont get offended

crisp pawn
carmine rain
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you seem like the one getting your coder socks all bunched up because you can't say the funny gamer words

paper tendon
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so if no one got offended then we should be able to say whatever we want?

karmic mauve
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yes

paper tendon
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which means we can say the n word

tender wharf
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And even when it comes to racial slurs, which is the end all be all of most toxic words imaginable according to this generation, if someone were to call me a cracker, whitey, honky, redneck, neck beard, or any other racial slur, guess what I do? Well what I don't do is steam over it and cry myself to sleep. I just move on, because racists aren't going to get to me. No one is. Stoicism is the best way to manuever as a man in this world it's just a more excellent way.

karmic mauve
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ill say whatever i want i dont care

paper tendon
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ok

pine plume
crisp pawn
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Miracles is clearly a special need case or a literal troll. No point in wasting time with that.

carmine rain
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me when i can't say slurs in-game

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n-no i don't actually say them i just think its unfair people can get reported for it...

pine plume
carmine rain
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man shut up don't be a bitch at least man up about your stance

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cool post it

karmic mauve
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i think it adds a realism aspect to the war game

worn abyss
pine plume
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and to anyone complaining about politics, shut up and focus. this is a serious thing and any discussion about your political standing detracts from the problem.

paper tendon
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i just don't see why everyone can't be decent human beings

karmic mauve
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miracles sitting in here all day responding to every single comment, literally searching forattention

carmine rain
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blame people like cake and kat

paper tendon
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being toxic is fine but not to an extreme level

carmine rain
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free speech absolutists

worn abyss
carmine rain
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you gonna explain why honey

karmic mauve
worn abyss
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I honestly dont care and dont get offended over things people call me on the internet because i more emotional stability than a rollercoaster

vale moon
carmine rain
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does cracker have significant historical context behind it and hundreds of years of oppression behind in the US?

karmic mauve
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@paper tendon and to be fair I do not use the n word, buy homphobia i could care less about

carmine rain
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im mainly saying the US because you seem deadset on the 1st amendment

paper tendon
pine plume
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PoLiTiCS, we're not discussing that, we're talking about how to address the instaban policy. <@&303688403638026243> anything u can do here?

vale moon
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pings 26 people online

tender wharf
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You do realize white people have also suffered 100s of years of oppression as well, right? So has every other race. Our history as mankind has a very crappy resume.

karmic mauve
carmine rain
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or are you gonna hit me with the "well uhhh white people wre slaves too!" or "slavery had issues in other places too!" shit

paper tendon
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i mean that's fair enough i guess. not everyone has to agree with lgbt ideology

karmic mauve
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miracles is just a joe biden voter that still doesnt regret his vote

boreal fjord
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Alright

karmic mauve
carmine rain
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looks like the funs over

worn abyss
tender wharf
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I don't know what you're on about purplesmoke but the whole concept behind racial slurs is on par with this discussion, since proponents of anti free speech keep bringing up racial slurs.

sonic nymph
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Please stay on topic or this is getting locked. We're not going to argue the enforcement of racial slurs.

vale moon
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I don't understand what the problem is.

Just don't say slurs. Don't be an asshole. Give warnings.

Allow music, screaming, etc, and if people don't stop when asked from other teammates, then that's a reportable offense.

That's it. Who cares what else happens

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Why are you arguing about saying slurs. Just don't say it

carmine rain
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a perfectly reasonable stance to take until some particular people came in

worn abyss
tender wharf
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I don't think there's a single person here arguing for the enforcement of racial slurs please read everything that's been said.

paper tendon