The Honey Badger

[ionic basin]

For a level 35 PDW (the first unlockable PDW), any other SMG or Assault Rifle puts this thing into the dirt, despite it being one of my favorite weapons. I'd honestly rather use a plunger than this thing even with the best "attachment" (being literally only the underbarrel attachment) possible. The horizontal recoil on this thing feels like im trying to piss with an erection even with the best horizontal recoil attachment, being the BCM-gun fighter. Please buff.

[marble spruce]

Imo make extended mag 32 or 36 bullets, make quick mag 24 and redice horizontal recoil by 30-40%

[tardy summit]

Fully agreed, honey badger got too overnerfed, now it's unusable past 20 meters with how wild recoil goes.

[ionic basin]

The Honey Badger

[shrewd sail]

The ars are just so good they outshine everything else.

[full moon]

Yeah, it was OP but the nerf was wayyy too hard. It did not need anything more than the damage nerf. Really would like if it had a low recoil and a bit more range. No one ever had a problem with its range before, it was the fact it instadeleted people at 10m

[runic solstice]

There's too many guns in the game to make every single statistic of every single gun perfectly balanced while maintaining sufficient uniqueness.

[ionic basin]

gargantuan 🧢 . the whole point of having a FPS with lots of guns it too customize and choose one to your liking. go play phantom forces on roblox and you will understand what i mean.

[fair arch]

Atleast phantom force every gun can be crafted into something viable 😂

[ionic basin]

battlebit is still in early access im gonna give them the benefit of the doubt for firearm creation with like different barrels for the honey badger n shit

hopefully once they fix shit and add more shit it'll look really nice

[prisma obsidian]

The gun slapped in the play test. Heard it was nerfed. Just unlocked it agian, but given this thread, looks like I'll avoid it.

[full moon]

its not unplayable, just way worse than most other options at basically anything.

[prisma obsidian]

Theres another thread where someone made a nice summary about TTK and some other traits.

I think it's a good idea to make sure that a single gun (or set of them) don't just hands down out perform everything else.

I'll give it a go. If it causes me to pull my hair out, I'll move on

[full moon]

Yeah, it had a TTK way faster than literally anything else. Now it's slightly worse than the Vector or MP7 but way more recoil.

[prisma obsidian]

Shorter damage fall off too right?

But more recoils tracks. Given it's suppressed. Most the ARs buck like a wild horse when you slap a suppressor on it

[ionic basin]

its unfortuante tbh. suppressors i feel dont really have a use atm, and putting one on your gun just turns it to shit. wish they were actually viable for certain scenarios

[shrewd hedge]

I personally have been really loving it, but for a PDW the reload speed is terrible

[ionic basin]

agreed actually ive still been playing with it and the reload speed is some ass

[crude anvil]

Nah recoil is fine. The 0 armor pen is what gets me lol

[prisma obsidian]

If they got ride of tracers, as well as what they do now, they'd be worth the recoil penalty.

[marble spruce]

the p90 beats the fucking soul out of the honey badger rn

the only upsides of the hb are 50 more velocity which is entirely useless due to it having the dogshit dropoff profile that only 3 guns have, and that its suppressed, but all that means is a lack of barrel attachment

may aswell add the asval here as its almost as bad as the hb and also suffers from p90 diff

literally not a single reason to use either weapon

[thorny pulsar]

Not to mention magazine capacity

And for some reason a better reload speed than the hb

[marble spruce]

yeah p90 wins in recoil, uptime, damage at range, damage to vehicles, literally everything, and ofc damage output is the same as both of them, because neither gun can use a long barrel for the 1.5 dmg

[ionic basin]

yup

[final gust]

Val is basically just a much worse version of Groza. Same bullet speed(which is very low but its 9x39 so...),more recoil, less ammo in mag, less damage. Higher fire rate but mag is 20 and higher capacity mag will kill stats of this gun even more. And the fact that lvl to unlock it is 105 while Groza is at lvl 55 is at least qustionable...

[prisma obsidian]

All good things to call out, for hopeful improvements.

[nocturne sundial]

Wait what, do you mean suppressors in-game increase recoil? Cause IRL trapping the gas before it exists the barrel reduces recoil, which honestly was one thing I was hoping this game would follow through with (with more severe penalties for using them made elsewhere, such as ADS speed).

I never thought I'd say it, but CoD: MW and MW2 (the new ones) did suppressors right. Reduced recoil, increased velocity, at the severe price of everything else.

[prisma obsidian]

Yeah. I mean in game.

[marble spruce]

tbh attachments dont need to make realistic sense imo, but they all need to serve some purpose which this game struggles with a bit

[lethal valley]

wow this @ionic basin guy has a really good suggestion

[mystic geode]

it beats the soul out of almost everything, exception being the Vector. 50 bullets is crazy on the hands of someone that manages it right

[sick jewel]

I bet he plays mordhau

[unique harbor]

🥹

[prisma obsidian]

Aka hackers. Most the folks I've seen that are 80+ rank, and using an SMG have dozens of hacker reports on their profile.

Thankfully the team is doing a fantastic job of keeping these folks out of the game this far.

[marble spruce]

there are a lot of people with loads of reports that are legit

[prisma obsidian]

Oh I'm sure, I don't doubt that. People get salty if you're too good. That's why I make sure I suck rocks.

[mystic geode]

Ik plenty that go 90-5 on matches with the vector/p90 that dont hack

Smgs are overtuned as fuck, meanwhile HB is this garbage 😦

[prisma obsidian]

Yeah. I really wanted to like and use a honey badger. But it's just hot trash. You get out gunned by literally everyone. Unless you have to drop on them and they have terrible response time

[mystic geode]

I think The Secret is., They gotta categorize damage output based on ammo.

And then based a control and recoil on that, And fall off from distance.

[ionic talon]

THE HRONEY BADGEERRRRRRRR!!!!

[median turret]

the honey badger just feels like an inferior m4 that has a slightly faster fire rate they both 4 shot kill, the honey badger has a 35-60% more vert and a staggering 100 - 140% more horizontal recoil i think they should raise the dmg to 34 and make it a 3 shot kill but i think the easiest way is just to reduce the vert and horizontal recoil

[leaden verge]

@ionic basin is RACIST

[ionic basin]

😧

[marble spruce]

[nocturne sundial]

He likes race cars?

[full prawn]

buff the honey badger now.

[prisma obsidian]

How do you propose they "buff" it? Less recoil? More accuracy? Larger mag?

[full prawn]

that is a question

[ionic basin]

someone in here already made a p good statement for it

[prisma obsidian]

I think that's a good direction for sure. Just wanted to ask this guy, rather than a generic "buff plz" post.

However I'd probably correct recoil to match a gun that shoots a similar round / accuracy rating.

[ionic basin]

yeah im sure the devs would be better at doing it

[full prawn]

lmfao

[steep cave]

i would love to see the honey badger get a longer suppresed barrel giving it some option for a barrel mod doesnt have to be something real irl, the mag size is to small for how fast its rate of fire and its ttk

it needs more options to be a viable weapon even tho i want to use it im forced to run better weapons

LIKE THE VECTOR WICH IS COMPLETLY BUSTED

but not the point

[median turret]

the honey badger has drastically too much recoil relative to everything else