The level required to unlock weapons should be lower

[fathom relic]

someone needs to compile ALL of the good points here and back it up with math and shit and send it again in reddit

if the comments are the same then all hope is lost

[somber glacier]

Antonyo did, Larry replied with a wow or smthn

[coarse loom]

Trust me I'm currently playing monster hunter world so I know how a fun grind looks. The grind here has no basis. No logical basis, no mathematical basis. The only thing I see is those losers want to keep themselves separate from "casuals".

[fathom relic]

obligatory who (i genuinely dont know)

[tropic halo]

This post contains lots of math, but it doesn't work((

[somber glacier]

He's in the suggestions thread version of this but he's got spreadsheets of our points

[coarse loom]

I can help with this but I probably don't have the time to put together everything myself

[coarse loom]

any links?

[somber glacier]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1119028706921435228

Scroll up and you'll see them

[coarse loom]

thanks

908 "upvotes" here

929 on the suggestions thread

173 on another feedback thread

there were a couple highly upvoted reddit posts

[tropic halo]

Couldn't have said better. Replaying elden ring rn and i'm enjoying every aspect of it grind included. Battlefieid-like gameplay loop ain't suited for grind like this since it's too shallow and unrewarding

I think that community servers is our only hope at the moment since API for them is good

[coarse loom]

I'd not call it shallow and unrewarding. The point of those games are to get better gear and grind. The point of games like BBR is the gameplay.

[fathom relic]

i just want to avoid FACEIT

[coarse loom]

Putting shitty grinds like this in the game just makes the gameplay feel restricted

Thus in turn decreasing new player's enjoyment of the game

[tropic halo]

I might've said it wrong, just didnt feel like writing an essay

[coarse loom]

I'm just trying to not offend the devs

[fathom relic]

the fact that there are empty spaces inbetween levels where you dont really gain anything in particular is also off putting

[coarse loom]

yep

[tropic halo]

Why not?

[coarse loom]

what is the point of getting promoted if all I get is dust

FACEIT is invasive

[fathom relic]

ive seen reports of faceit throttling cpu for some reason

having flashbacks to that ESEA crypto scandal

and not really a fan of kernel AC

but thats a discussion of its own

[tropic halo]

Oh, so it's like valorant AC? i've heard it sits at something like first and most important layer of your system or some shite

[fathom relic]

ye

actually EAC is also the same

well, most third party ACs are

its just, no one really bats an eye

[tropic halo]

Also your privacy is in danger with it

Since it scrolls through all your files and stuff

[coarse loom]

FACEIT AC used to take screenshots of your desktop if it suspected you were a cheater

although it is now removed

[tropic halo]

oh what

wtf

[coarse loom]

it's a bit shady

[fathom relic]

lets be real here, most people wont and will never care

[tropic halo]

Not just a bit. This shite stinks with all layers of shade

[tropic halo]

True

[fathom relic]

ill probably lean towards community servers however

if theyre fun, ill play

if theyre not, well ill do something else

[coarse loom]

too bad those might not provide progression

[tropic halo]

But isn't it uncomfortable when some third party spying on you?
Like how could you not care about stuff like this

[fathom relic]

lets hope one of them figures out on how to unlock everything

[tropic halo]

It's already confirmed that you can do it

[coarse loom]

I just want to get separated from the milsim crowd

[fathom relic]

vector only community servers lets fuckin go

[coarse loom]

so they can stop trying to remove the fun from a casual shooter

[fathom relic]

im already nearing lv70 (im 40hrs in) and about to unlock the vector

[tropic halo]

we're doomed. Also from what they've showed. You can actually block certain weapons. Or restrict classes to amount you want

[coarse loom]

can't wait to not be able to play sniper

[fathom relic]

probably will still have fun, but the grind will defo pull the fun out for some

[fathom relic]

battlefield all over again

that or someone makes it so you have to pay for VIP in order to play a class when its full

[coarse loom]

when I finally unlocked L96 I lost the desire to play for a while lmao

[tropic halo]

I think im ready to rpg only frontline only valley only 24/7

[fathom relic]

rush 127v127, but only explosives

[coarse loom]

127v127 domination but only lmgs

[tropic halo]

Same with g36c, got sick of it all

[coarse loom]

Wonder why

MAYBE grind based weapon unlocks don't work in FPS games?

maybe the style of game doesn't fit a long grind?

we'll never know

[tropic halo]

nah no way

[coarse loom]

yea probably skill issue on our part

[tropic halo]

attention span

[coarse loom]

honestly we are just spoilt children who need to unlock everything without effort

[tropic halo]

ahh and dont forget 'bout zoomer moment

[coarse loom]

also don't forget to not learn what a parabola is in high school

might make you realize how the grind behaves

can't have that

[gaunt granite]

just play more until you unlock AK5C, and then you realize that all of this grinding for a mtfk worst gun of the game is nonsense, not just the grind, the reward from the grind is also shitty at the moment, i don't understand why devs are hastily implementing API for community servers when so many problems are still there

[coarse loom]

yea ngl the priorities they have set up is a little out of order

[fathom relic]

oh man ive tried the AK5C in the firing range (it aint worth the grind)

[tropic halo]

Nah, math progressions and building graphs with functions aint for good ol boomers

[coarse loom]

Math? What's that? I'm sure I'll never need it in the real world

[gaunt granite]

imo all the guns feel somewhat fine in the range because there is no hitreg issue or packet loss when you play in the range, but oh boy when you use it in the game

[tropic halo]

Bro wtf is attending school. im my youth we had non and look at us

being copium addict feels good you should try it

[civic gale]

Whoops

[fathom relic]

honestly if the xp needed to level up is the same for every level, it would be good better

bruv

[civic gale]

I apologize

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

Here’s who I meant to reply too

Shut the hell up

All you do is say the same god damn thing

[coarse loom]

mokey chose the atomic approach

[flint path]

Well I'm going kayaking...have fun with the game guys

[fathom relic]

someone woke up and chose violence

[civic gale]

No it’s that no matter what we show him he keeps saying just have fun

[coarse loom]

that's what happens when you use the same argument 50 times

even though people have refuted it every single time

[fathom relic]

oh im having fun alright

the grind however isnt

thank god for VOIP

[coarse loom]

bro's favorite past time activity is coming into this thread and telling people to have fun

[fathom relic]

if it werent for VOIP i dont know if i would still play the game

[flint path]

Having fun is what it's about

[coarse loom]

dandy

for the love of god

stop

[fathom relic]

how have you people not block him at this point

ur talking to a brick wall

[coarse loom]

I could set up a bot with 25 different sentences about having fun

and your post history would look the same

[flint path]

I will leave you guys alone the next time I will see you is when I've been looking to the scope of my m200 and headshot in you

[fathom relic]

go back to your kayak

[coarse loom]

100% cringe

[desert maple]

do your kayak bro, you'll be late

[flint path]

Nah got to wait for the kids to get dressed

[coarse loom]

wtf is "headshot in you"

[fathom relic]

he wants your headshot bro no cap

[flint path]

Voice to text didn't read what I said right

[coarse loom]

bro tried to make headshotting sound sexual 💀

[tropic halo]

Bro, for some reason this sounds beyond wrong

Also i told you he's a fucking phoenix. He is back at it again

[civic gale]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[flint path]

Just reached level 200 on these

[coarse loom]

dude's a certified menace

[cyan stream]

@coarse loom has earned the Tier I Member role!

[simple venture]

People arguing for the grind simultaneously say: "....you guys don't just....play to have fun?" and "If people ran out of things to unlock they'd stop playing" :/

[fathom relic]

the hell is a tier 1 member

[coarse loom]

I'm a certified loser now

[tropic halo]

Are you trying to brag about touching grass or something?

[coarse loom]

I just call them clowns at this point

the cognitive dissonance is very real

[tropic halo]

Yeah, told them 'bout their copium addiction and got ratioed

[fathom relic]

congratulations

[fathom relic]

both of these sentences dont even make sense if you think about it

if they ran out of things and theyd stop playing

[desert maple]

😭 whatever your intention dude, i dont think is working cus i dont get a shit why you're sharing meaningless points, giving no contribution and atleast a good argument on why is having a long grind is good

[fathom relic]

it means they werent having fun

[coarse loom]

honestly I'm about to ask a mod to intervene lmao

[tropic halo]

"just have fun dude"

[coarse loom]

dude has brought nothing to the argument since the start

[flint path]

You're about to ask a mod to intervene because I'm not agreeing with you are you serious bud

You definitely need to touch grass

[coarse loom]

Nah fam

you need to use your brain more

or learn to read

since you have not engaged with the argument at all

during all the posting you have done in this thread

[flint path]

No you need to use your brain it's a video game bro Play it stop worrying about having everything and being the best it's weird

[tropic halo]

Than why are you still here? Just to argue with someone?

[coarse loom]

you never once acknowledged an argument

[fathom relic]

im convinced this is bait

[coarse loom]

yea

it has to be

[flint path]

Why are you still here you all been bitching about the leveling for the past month get over it

[desert maple]

ok

[fathom relic]

well that was the easiest block of my life

[coarse loom]

like I refuse to belive there are real people like this

bro got his feeling hurt cause people don't like him being a bot in an argument thread

[fresh jackal]

I love terraria but always hate the pre hard mode grind

[flint path]

My feelings aren't hurt buddy I'm actually sitting here laughing

[coarse loom]

just go away dandy

[desert maple]

just say "ok" whenever he chat

[fresh jackal]

It's just mining

[desert maple]

ok

[coarse loom]

you are funny and all

[tropic halo]

Bro replying to some blatant stuff meant just to take care of him with no meaning. But when someone makes a good point he's just cosplaying tanos from that gif

[coarse loom]

but not when you are obviously shitting your pants in rage

[flint path]

Well have a nice day guys

[desert maple]

ok

[coarse loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sticker-line-sticker-bye-sticker-goodbye-sticker-hand-wave-gif-26479344

[flint path]

I will be back to check up on you all in about 5 days

[desert maple]

ok

[coarse loom]

oh please don't bother

[tropic halo]

True. I'm playing with qol mods that allow me to breeze through pre-hm since after it is where all fun begins)

[coarse loom]

we don't need the supervision of a person who can't even read 💀

[tropic halo]

fr

[fresh jackal]

I just don't enjoy mining

And that's what pre hm basically is besides a bit of surface exploration

Maybe trying to find the enchanted sword

[tropic halo]

Try ore excavation mod. Makes it easy. Oh and dont forget about spelunker potion

I don't use this mod myself since i actually enjoy mining, but it good

[fresh jackal]

I like the flying around and fighting bosses part

[tropic halo]

True, me too

[desert maple]

just ignore him next time or just say ok
the more we talk with him the more he talk to us
even tho we want the grind to change, we still atleast accepts anyone who disagree but has an actual argument

[coarse loom]

the last part is the important bit

he gets the reaction he gets since he doesn't bring anything to the table

just a mindless bot spamming "have fun"

[civic gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607053074862833676/1031742695103807489/NOWAY-1.gif

[desert maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/978827290278494230/1113621008818118706/oioIJUIK.gif

[paper umbra]

player count is consistently dipping :(
only 43k on a saturday is bad news, hopefully they address the needlessly bloated grind soon

[gaunt granite]

this is inevitable and we have to accept it, this game had a little bit too much hype at the start because fps fans are so tired of recent titles. we can all agree that the game has good setting and somewhat decent gameplay, but the more players starting to try the game and grind the game the more people realize that this game has too much problems: hitreg, balancing, hellish grind, mixed of casual and hardcore elements feels off and some more of smaller problems, and then the devs decided to make something new (community servers) instead of fixing the problems, feels like a whole 2022 and half of 2023 was threw out of the window with their recent decisions. i'm not trying to be negative here but honestly i'm starting to feel bored with the game after 200 hours of hits being denied, hitreg, aim punch, and of course, the vector

[desert maple]

Though it is unfortunate, but 40k still alot tbh

But yeah, it will get lesser if the problems aren't solved quickly

[desert maple]

I dont get why bro 💀 these people rather be hating than giving a valid argument

[coarse loom]

Reminds me of a certain someone 😏

[desert maple]

😭 Lmaooo

[fresh jackal]

This is completely normal behavior of any new game

And the daily dips playercount are also normal of every single steam game

Cause those are off hours

[paper umbra]

i personally disagree, i think this behavior would be normal for a single player/ coop game not a pvp exclusive. this game did not have much mainstream hype going into ea either so the initial player count shouldnt be noticeably overinflated.
tbf i am a pretty biased in this regard as all of my friends that played this game quit because of the horrid grind to unlock more weapon variety

[fresh jackal]

It became fairly mainstream

Large streamers played it

Entire communities of other games not of the same genre talked about it

[paper umbra]

let me rephrase that, as far as i know the mainstream hype started after it was available to play, not before, so everyone that bought the game from hype had access to unfiltered gameplay before purchasing

[paper umbra]

in single player games there is a limited amount of content for people to enjoy which usually does not last more than a few weeks, but for pvp exclusive games the content are the interactions between players(conflicts, strategy, communications) and progression. If both of those are good we would see a slow decrease in player count that is slightly offset by new players and returning players from new updates/balance changes. In battlebit, the player count has only dipped even after the new map released on july 23rd the player count has dipped to ~half of its player count record(excluding the daily fluctuations)

[coarse loom]

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[fathom relic]

wait hold on

ive gotten information that when you prestige, everything outside of your overall stats reset??

[coarse loom]

yes

[fathom relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/15dv0qz/dont_prestige_guys/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/15ecqln/comment/ju6r1m3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

holy fuck

then what the hell is the point of prestige

the grind is infuriatingly long why the hell would anyone prestige

[coarse loom]

skins I guess

[fathom relic]

just to lose all of their progress

[desert maple]

the skins arent even that well design
it clearly shows is a second thought of the dev
not to say its lazy, but i just hope there'll be addressing and changes in this early access

[coarse loom]

I mean it is early access and they are working on it

Just wish they'd start fixing what's already broken instead of adding even more new things

[desert maple]

is not broken, is just barebone
its the most basic grind

[coarse loom]

I meant it in the sense that the progression system fails at what it's meant to do

but yeah you can also call it barebone

[gaunt granite]

it is absolutely barebone, my 4 of 10 denied M4A1 shots can confirm that

[tropic halo]

Even so there are people who already on their 2nd prestige

[fathom relic]

i pray for their psyche

[tropic halo]

It's too late

I doubt that even world class psychologist could help

They are defenition of doomed

[civic gale]

What is

[coarse loom]

I did the thing I mentioned that made the have fun bot mad

because the clown went to the vector thread to bitch about this thread

💀

[flint path]

Bro you know what's funny people in the other threads are saying the same thing about you and the other two guys in here You're complaining about everything shut up

[coarse loom]

dandy my guy

[flint path]

You're obviously bad at the game go play pokémon go

[coarse loom]

that guy is just as much a clown as you

[flint path]

That's the problem with people like you you don't understand that you are the clown

[coarse loom]

look at all them clown reactions you got for telling people to play the game the way you want them to play

reacts say otherwise my friend

you guys are a match made in heaven though

[flint path]

Just play the game who cares about all the stuff you're worried about nobody does or something would have been done by now nobody agrees with you it's a bunch of b******* and everybody is tired of hearing it shut up please shut up

[coarse loom]

if you are going to say "just play the game" you should not have ever looked at the feedback threads at all

just go away

you have nothing to add

nobody here wants you to keep telling them the same shit over and over again

[flint path]

I'm allowed to be here as much as you are I'm here to tell you you are wrong and you're overreacting and obviously have too much free time on your hands

[coarse loom]

and I'm allowed to call you a goddamn clown for your shit opinions

you are just being a bother to multiple people

[flint path]

And I will take a shit on your opinions

[coarse loom]

judging by the, what was it... 13 clown emojis on your bitching on the vector thread

[flint path]

Oh no somebody help me clown emojis I feel so threatened

[coarse loom]

you are incapable of forming a coherent argument

I highly doubt you can do anything my guy

[flint path]

Please no more clown emojis I might have to crawl into a corner

[coarse loom]

but a mention of the mods got you shitting your pants lmao

you shat yourself so hard you had to go to another thread to bitch and moan lmao

[flint path]

Report me bro I didn't do anything wrong you just being a total pleb

[coarse loom]

grown ass man btw

[flint path]

Yes sir grown ass man...41 to be exact...

Just love watching you fat asses bitch about a video game all day

[coarse loom]

fucking yikes

[civic gale]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

I am certain he’s doing this to get a rise out of the people here

[coarse loom]

then it's a win-win

I get a kick out of putting clown reactions on his dumbass posts

dude really just said 41 year old as if that made anything he said/did look better 💀

[tropic halo]

Bro has 140 hr and only lvl 115. Talking about bad

[tropic halo]

If you have time to shit talk here than you should've spend it for your family

I bet you're the one who fucks everybody's brains in your family nest

[flint path]

My wife and I own a business...we have all the time we want to spend with our kids bud

Nice try though

[tropic halo]

I can't

I just can't

I can't stop laughing

Your business is probably being ceo of circus

And at the same time being the main clown there

[civic gale]

Dandy loves to be ignorant no matter what we show him

[coarse loom]

Dandy probably dropped out of high school because his teachers told him to apply himself instead of "just have fun"

[tropic halo]

Lets just ignore him. I've seen his takes in "vector" thread

It's unbelivable

Grown ass man probably compensates seeking attention from young lads

[coarse loom]

I mean it's not much different from his takes here

he just lost his cheerful demeanor

[tropic halo]

The fact that he cried about us there... that's what makes me sorry for his kids

[coarse loom]

you know he's gonna go ape shit when he sees that right?

[tropic halo]

And I fucking want to see that

[coarse loom]

ngl same

[tropic halo]

This is gonna be big fucking show and i'll be there to watch his ass turning into smoking ashes

[quartz valley]

Grown ass man crying about people on discord having a different opinion about a roblox like battlefield knockoff game

Kinda sad

Unless his grown ass is just his ass

[jade wraith]

apples

[fathom relic]

im surprised u guys are even giving him attention

[desert maple]

lmao yeah, like i just said, just ignore him if he doesn't contribute anything to the conversation
giving him attention is just as much as you being like him, Unecessary and useless

like, he's the most immature 41 y'old i ever seen in my life
stubborn, ignorant, and always humble brag unecessary thing that doesn't have a value to this conversation at all
he's doing it for attention 😂
lets just comeback to our main topic of this chat and whenever he talked, just ignore him or block him

and also

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/15e1vy8/why_is_it_a_bad_thing_to_have_a_fast_grind_when/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

got a much better traction with this post
atleast not as toxic as previously lmao

next post i'm making is a way to make the grind less strict
by having credits to buy the guns, so you could choose which weapon to play rather than a linear unlock

[fresh jackal]

You're 41, you're married. You are self employed and it seems you have kids. Sounds like a great life. Yet, you seem to feel offended by teenagers and you just don't want to admit it. You are looking to be miserable. You're bringing issues you have with the people (yes, the people, not the opinions) in this thread to other threads, twisting the story to fit your narrative, exaggerating, and making shit up to seek validation.

You're also being extremely hypocritical. Talking about how others have too much free time, then continue to speak here just as much as them, and your topics always seem to be significantly more arbitrary and personal. You talk about how nobody wants to hear these opinions and that you are tired of hearing it, while intentionally looking to create conflict and interact with this thread, rather than muting it, unfollowing it, and blocking people. It's not like every message here is shown to the world. You can only find these opinions if you intentionally search for them.

And lastly, you're having discord pvp with people half your age or less. Intentionally searching for conflict, seeking validation, insulting people rather than their opinions. It's obvious that you got offended or know you are wrong or something.

All I ask is for you to reconsider your mindset and how you spend your time online and request that you honestly just grow up. You've shown significantly less maturity than anyone else here, despite very likely being one of the oldest.

[desert maple]

damn, i ain't the one in the receiving end but i got a burn by that aswell

😂

[fresh jackal]

I mean that should tell you something, he is slightly less than 3x my age.

If 41 is correct and not a lie

[desert maple]

i'm having a hard time believing that with the fact of lack personality, Roblox pfp, and a damn "Dude Dandy" as a name

[fresh jackal]

I've seen worse

[desert maple]

i could see 😭

[tropic halo]

As a young brat I'm just having fun destroying his ego

[tropic halo]

Probably his kid's acc or some shit

[coarse loom]

The guy tried so hard to play up the cool persona

Oh well, can't act like what you are not for long 🤷‍♂️

There's another one of his type on the flinch (and now the vector) thread, it's honestly amusing seeing two complete idiots act the same way

[tropic halo]

maybe this kafka man is one of his kids he is talking about so much

[coarse loom]

kafka is probably the same age as his kids ngl

lil bro has been having a mental breakdown for over a day now just like his daddy

[desert maple]

Bop

[coarse loom]

Finally some acknowledgement? #dev-wip message

[somber glacier]

Game is saved

Get the streamers out

Fireworks ready

Guillotine away

[quartz valley]

Finally

[fathom relic]

praise the lord they actually do care and read the feedbacks

[coarse loom]

No keep the guillotine

you never know

[deft needle]

Idk what made you guys think they didn't read feedback

Glad they went this route too instead of moving the weapons

Very pog of them

[coarse loom]

because they looked like they were dodging the question in each devstream

[tropic halo]

No way

How could this be? We've been right this whole time. Who could've thought

[coarse loom]

Definetly not dandy

[deft needle]

Also could be they just didn't have a definite answer or they didn't see it

[coarse loom]

I mean you can still say "we have seen your feedback and are working on a solution"

I highly doubt they didn't see it as it has been the most talked about feedback topic here and on reddit

[deft needle]

Imo common sense says they'd adjust it considering after the first day they halfed the progression and acknowledged it was still in the works.

It was WAY worse before

[coarse loom]

yeah I've heard

but there have been some total brainlets in this very thread defending the current progression so it might have stayed

for the sake of their "sense of pride and accomplishment"

[deft needle]

I mean, I'm a no life on my off work days but the progression near halting at like 150+ blows lol

People that defended it are likely good players who used nothing but meta, so I can see how they'd defend it.

[coarse loom]

they defend it because they haven't made it that far and do not understand a lick of math

from their own posts you could tell they didn't even hit 1000 score per min

some people are just weird

[tropic halo]

He is not capable of performing such act so he doesn't count

[civic gale]

Thank Christ

[coarse loom]

https://tenor.com/view/y-all-mind-if-i-praise-the-lord-praise-dance-praise-dance-praise-the-lord-gif-11921222

remember dandy 1.0 who told me something like this would never happen

[desert maple]

Are we winning bros?

I just wanna say, thank you for my brothers who never gave up on bringing up this issues

[desert maple]

LMAOO

[tropic halo]

I remember pre-alpha dandy when he had only one phrase "have fun" and would get upset and say bye because people disliked his ignorant attitude

[fresh jackal]

That's so fucking awesome

big W

Hopefully it isn't a small change and he is just assuming it will make a large difference

[civic gale]

#dev-wip message

Whatever this means

[fresh jackal]

it reads like they are going to make levels increase in XP requirements until level 15, where the increase is significantly reduced or doesn't happen at all

[civic gale]

Sounds good

[somber glacier]

The inverse

Everything above level 15 is significantly faster with level 200 being 4x faster

[fresh jackal]

Do you mean the former

or what do you mean by the inverse

[somber glacier]

XP to get to a level is now logmarithic

Big jumps early and levels off

[coarse loom]

#dev-wip message

[fresh jackal]

Ah less of an upward curve and moreso flattens out over time is what you meant

The inverse of the current graph displaying the time to level up

[fresh jackal]

Ik what a logarithmic graph looks like

[coarse loom]

You do, other people might not. Doesn't hurt to have visual aid

[desert maple]

More W

[candid pumice]

FINALLY! Yes

[desert maple]

how are you guys day?

[coarse loom]

mfw the absurd grind is finally gone:

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

[desert maple]

Finally, no more 🐓 rider that would rather attack the person instead giving a valid argument

https://tenor.com/view/fumo-touhou-reimu-reimu-peek-peeking-gif-22922061

[tropic halo]

@flint path I want some guru's opinion on this situation

[coarse loom]

Dandy's face when he turned himself into a clown for a badly designed progression system that will now change:

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-sad-sad-face-gif-19223141

[tropic halo]

This thread turned from "Change stupid grind it's no good" to "Devouring clown's dignity"

[desert maple]

bro

glad Oki saves the day

[coarse loom]

Bro is on that Dandy grindset

[desert maple]

[flint path]

Well looks like you all can stop bitching and have fun

[coarse loom]

And you can go bother your kids about how you walked to school uphill both ways and in the snow or someshit

[tropic halo]

As a god ascended upon us to save our miserable souls, dandy ascended upon us to give us some proper enjoyment

(welcombe back, clown)

[coarse loom]

dandy bout to haunt the vector thread to tell people the vector is fine and they should just have fun

oh wait, he already did that while bitching about this thread

[tropic halo]

And still he'll be too late, since oki did his move already

[coarse loom]

Cut him some slack the clown's 41 years old

[fathom relic]

here's the question though

what would happen with our current level

[tropic halo]

Probably nothing just like with the first grind nerf

[fathom relic]

what was it

[tropic halo]

Like shaved 25% off of grind or smth

It was actually even worse than now

[fathom relic]

for example lets say im lvl 100 now and i am halfway to lvl 101

does it just let you stay on lv 100

or does it take into account the sum of all the XP that you gained and recalculate your level

[coarse loom]

probably you'll just be where you are currently

100.5

[coarse loom]

this is doable but I doubt they'll try it since it's only 3 people

[fathom relic]

this would be easier if they store the total XP in its raw form

instead of converted to levels

and then all they have to do is just extrapolate that to the new XP system

🤷‍♂️

[tropic halo]

Yeah this would be too good

[coarse loom]

depends on how they actually stored that information

[fathom relic]

true

[tropic halo]

since im lvl 126 i would be glad if that sweet 6mil xp converted properly into upcoming system

[fathom relic]

wait

does the total XP that you have appear anywhere on the stats

[tropic halo]

yes

it does

[fathom relic]

oh well then it should be pretty easy, the total value is there then

well, that would depend on how theyre implementing the change

[tropic halo]

but it didnt count last time so im kinda doubtful

[coarse loom]

let's hope oki has a good night's sleep before the update drops then

[fathom relic]

we still dont know how much faster the level up system is if the update drops

[tropic halo]

yep

[coarse loom]

yeah ngl I'm hesitant about the update

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[tropic halo]

I guess it’ll be like from lvl 15 you’ll need 50k exp or smth like that

[coarse loom]

this gives me a bit of hope but I'll just wait and see the update

[fathom relic]

it does say that the "..average player will able to reach to rank 200 instead of stucking on rank 60-80"

if the average player means someone like myself, then hopefully, it would "probably" be faster

[tropic halo]

it takes me 2+ matches rn to lvl up with 2k exp per min so i really want this update to be good

[coarse loom]

do we uhhh... have the math?

[fathom relic]

where is this info from

[coarse loom]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[fathom relic]

outstanding move

[coarse loom]

https://tenor.com/view/maravillosa-jugada-gif-18595359

[somber glacier]

Spread the love

[somber glacier]

Also this indicates 4x faster I believe since it's exponentially more each time at a +1000 per rank

[coarse loom]

It has no possibility of not being faster

[fathom relic]

so you level up faster the higher level u are?

exponential growth right?

[coarse loom]

no you used to level up slower as you go up

now you level up around the same speed as you go up

[somber glacier]

Ok the math is wrong here old level 100 is the new level 200

[coarse loom]

that'd technically mean it's exponential decay

[somber glacier]

Think the concept was people quit at 60-80

[fathom relic]

i see

[somber glacier]

Realistically a player can make it to current rank 100-120 on that we can agree right

May not be fun but is possible

[coarse loom]

Currently takes around 100 hours if I'm not mistaken

yeah 110-125 hours for rank 100-120

[somber glacier]

Then thats like 2ish months for average person to "complete" the game

And average is again 2 hours a day every day, so gamer dads

Like dandy

[coarse loom]

dandy actually spends 4 hours per day iirc

but that's besides the point he's below average score per min from what he said

[somber glacier]

It levels out

There's obv sub 1k SPM players but there's also 5k SPM players

Aiming for the majority

[coarse loom]

exactly

[somber glacier]

Also ideally there's also more ways to gain xp

[coarse loom]

hopefully

[somber glacier]

So that should help flatten the curve on the lower eend

[coarse loom]

yeah the main issue stemmed from linearly increasing level requirements

solving that should make levelling feel much better

then we can give classes beside medic some other sources of xp

[fresh jackal]

Id call that more than casual

[fresh jackal]

And that's not even completion

[coarse loom]

hence why I said it

[fresh jackal]

There is all the prestiges and skins in those prestiges and another 30-50 levels of guns with an additional 50 levels of guns being added over time

Then guns in the gaps

And that's assuming that the 2 hours a day is consistent and all spent on battlebit

I could not play the same game for a week

Let alone two months

[fresh jackal]

Ok if the change is level 100 is the new 200, I think making xp gain faster through different sources would actually make it too fast

Maybe add new sources and reduce the current xp rewards

[somber glacier]

prestige is optional and this is for level 200, meaning you'd have all the guns

[deft needle]

Yeah prestige is for people who like camo grinds tbh

[desert maple]

Great, Engineer has more exp to destroy the vehicles

previously everyone got the same exp

now we got more reason to use engineer

[tropic halo]

I've been using engineer only, so it feels good

[desert maple]

W after W from Oki

[desert maple]

17 MINUTES

[fathom relic]

levelling up is WAAYYY faster now

level 75 to 76 in my case takes 24k XP

where as before it would be.. well, around 70k+

[coarse loom]

yea

I just levelled up 3 times for getting a nice multikill

[fathom relic]

i havent tried this in a match however, just going off by the XP meter down in the HUD in the firing range

@coarse loom is it retroactive?

wait no nvm thats a dumb question

[coarse loom]

nope

[fathom relic]

heres my actual question

the XP meter below says 60k xp/24k xp

[coarse loom]

xd

[fathom relic]

does the game store my extra XP or smth

[coarse loom]

oki got your xp hostage

[fathom relic]

dang

[civic gale]

Does the xp round up now

[mystic stump]

jup

its actually possible to level up 1-2 times per match now

[raw blade]

There is upcoming "hotfix". Hope in wont change progression. It perfect after that update.

[fresh jackal]

The hotfix is to fix bugs

The progression isn't changing

[desert maple]

It feels damn amazing

[coarse loom]

Did they just nerf it lmao

[tropic halo]

ah shit did they make it even easier than we anticipated?

[coarse loom]

judging by the nerf they made it easier than they anticipated

god forbid we are given numbers though

we might use it to do some...math

[somber glacier]

May have underestimated the actual average players spm

It was not 1000

[coarse loom]

What was the estimated one though?

Or is it higher or lower than 1000?

[somber glacier]

It seems to be higher according to this discord

[coarse loom]

People on this discord probably are not average players though

battlebit-eng is full of people in desperate need of some contact with grass

[mystic stump]

Don't jinx it. We don't want them to raise the xp requirement again

[somber glacier]

It alr did

[coarse loom]

yep

[somber glacier]

Seems to have settled tho

[coarse loom]

It was good for 20 minutes

[somber glacier]

So you guys are safe

The change was not nearly as much as you think It was

[coarse loom]

I just want numbers

https://tenor.com/view/number-harry-dumband-dummer-gif-19125767

[mystic stump]

wdym. The progression was reduced to about 1/3 of the grind

[somber glacier]

About a third worse from new one

Yeah it's like

2.5x better from old

Trust

[coarse loom]

So the original was 3.75x better from old?

[somber glacier]

Closer to 3x

Like I said very minimal chsnge

[covert wharf]

wait did they finally lower the grind?

[coarse loom]

yes

[covert wharf]

I'd say i'm a good to really good player and i get 1.6k a minute

[slate scaffold]

I think that after the new update the game should recalculate the level of the player per the current exp requirements

[somber glacier]

@coarse loom for u, oki released it so I can post it

[coarse loom]

thanks

[civic gale]

I leveled up 5 times

That would have taken me days

I love the new changes

[somber glacier]

👍