That's how night maps look while playing APC and it needs changes

[opal raft]

APC's extremely struggle with visibility on night maps, even more than during the day mode. The APC camera effect makes all colors just a shade of grey, more or less intense, but still it's only grey. It doesn't look nice and makes finding targets in grass, bushes or in the shade considerably harder that normally. Now make this problem few times worse, and change more than half of the color pallet to black and it is basically player experience during the night. The only way to see a player is by friendly markers or bright stripes on the helmet. Such terrible visibility in an FPS game is unacceptable and must be changed to allow for an enjoyable experience, so player can at least see his enemies and environment. The best and easiest way would be adding Night Vision, as was suggested few times before.

[glad talon]

its not supposed to be too easy farm for the APC

[opal raft]

It seems you don't understand. It is not "too easy to farm for the APC". On the contrary, most players that take APC will die in the next 2-3 mins max. I see it on every Conq game. APC objectivly suck, literally the worst vehicle in the game. Even during the day, with relatively good visibility you are not "farming" it's normal to be outperformed by inf player in kills, even it a tank.

The terrible visibility in night really hampers it even more, making playing just unpleasent and extremlly hard, as I stated in the post

[glad talon]

ah thats what u mean. i thought u like to have a thermal of some kind. But to be fair. an APC is IRL also not a Tank. its easy to take out. to play with the APC, try not to push to aggressive. IRL an APC has ground troops pushing next or in front of him to search for hazards

i get what u mean and want. dont get me wrong

[opal raft]

Even so, if playing vehicles would be farming (it isnt), decreasing visibility is just awfull decision, and balancing should be done by other means

[glad talon]

But what would be your suggestions?

[opal raft]

Impossible in this game tbh, and we don't have thermals in APC

[thin nymph]

If you search for enemies, you have to distinguish them from the enemy's muzzle flashes and sounds, and to be honest, most players will interfere with the experience with APC.

[opal raft]

Just give it Night Vision. Like tank has. And every player. Only APC don't have night visions capability. Not to mention thermal sights...

[thin nymph]

||And if you say it's a skill issue, it's literally your reading issue.||

[opal raft]

Yeah, muzzle flashes are the best and only realibe way to see enemies. Becouse bright markers work only from the behind

[glad talon]

i think it its not possible in a game like this to buff or balance a vehicle like that. Compare it to squad. in squad an APC can handle from a distance the fight. But in squad u have the big maps for that.

In BB i would say its the problem with map size and player count. Soo many players, so many ways to destroy a vehicle

[thin nymph]

No one wants the thermal to be added to the APC, but the tank actually has NV

[glad talon]

i wouldnt mind NV for vehicles

[opal raft]

BF4 did that, there were a little to strong, but balancing them is possible.

[glad talon]

but NVs which are working like NVs. Not the variant i turn on NVs and still can watch a mile ahead.

[opal raft]

I want,ish

Sort of

[glad talon]

that would be actually dope

[opal raft]

I have an idea for it, I just need to make a suggestion

[glad talon]

have NVs and when toggled u can see 50 or 100m iluminated

[opal raft]

Well, every vehicle has NV, exept APC

[glad talon]

i mean for APCs

[lilac ether]

Quad NV? Damn

[opal raft]

yeah, you are using player NV, just like in jeep, helis, PWC, RHIB.

Tanks have NV camera

APC doesn't have anything

[thin nymph]

true

[glad talon]

mhm

[opal raft]

APC should have NV just like tank, that would be fair

it still is grainy AF

[glad talon]

make your suggestions maybe we are lucky to get it for release man

[lilac ether]

Just have fiends use search lights for you.

[opal raft]

There is like 3 of them alredy

[glad talon]

open the hatch and throw flares xD

@opal raft but maybe they are still searching for a good suggestion ^^

[lilac ether]

@thin nymph doesn't know sarcasm. 😭

[opal raft]

Most of them are good. "Add NV for APC" that's all

[thin nymph]

because it's not my native language🤪

[opal raft]

You mean you used Skill Issue in a sarcastic way, to respond to a situation on which player doesen't have any influence?

[lilac ether]

50/50

It is a skill issue, but I am also sarcastic.

[opal raft]

Well it's not, and yes you are

[lilac ether]

I can still see.

Plus the APC has lights IIRC.

[opal raft]

yeha, you can deffinetly see

See SHIT

[lilac ether]

gamma goes UP

[opal raft]

nope, no lights

true. man

[lilac ether]

fr boosting gamma works tho

[opal raft]

If it had lights it would have a visible info on the left side

[lilac ether]

Like mad good

[lilac ether]

Just hit L

don't think it shows

I swear I had lights

[opal raft]

I would like that the game doesn't required boosting gamma to be at less disadvantage

[opal raft]

APC don't have lights

[lilac ether]

[opal raft]

In quad and jeep it shows which button turns them on

As well as other shortcuts like engin start/stop, Tank ammo change and MG reload

[lilac ether]

Guess I double check next time

[solar ore]

👌 🐴
Make night more thrilling, I desire to hunt prey that can see me.
Add IR to the IFV, I want to throw flares and blind drivers.

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[opal raft]

You mean thermals?

[solar ore]

Yes. 🐴

https://tenor.com/view/savageteam-team-football-supporters-flare-vpg-poland-gif-26562942

[opal raft]

Flars blinding thermal sight would be amazing. Inf could counter it even during the day.

[solar ore]

Need a version of the smoke grenade launcher with a flare, as well.

[opal raft]

Oh yeah

That's nice

Make suggestion about this. I'll be sure to upvote it

[solar ore]

already one about it I think, #1096785690605400144 message

[chrome seal]

off topic, but let me say this...
Tank machine gunners and spotters may be servant, but they are not Punishment or Prison Work...
Please give them a decent view, even after the APC.

machine gunner

spotter(Taken at about the same time as Gunner)

[shy wind]

ww1 tier optics right there

[opal raft]

And stabilisation. The crosshair jumps on the screen with the slightest movement of the vehicle.

[austere raptor]

APC is good, just players have skill issue, when some random guy will rush into enemy its 100% sure he is going to die, but when APC will support infantry and stay close to them, life time of the APC will increase

[shy wind]

great point, the issue is this isn't Arma

you're expecting too much from players

another issue is the accuracy of APCs which hinders its capabilities beyond 200m

maybe I boasted the value too much, it's actually 100m

[opal raft]

Even if it was Arma, APC still would be underwhelming. The old one would be good-ish, though.

[opal raft]

70-80m even

[shy wind]

hell yeah

[thin nymph]

While partly true, APCs are horribly difficult to drive and get stuck and thrown away quickly unless used by a skilled player.
All that's left is to be captured by the enemy

[opal raft]

Yeah, you will get stuck on some random terrain collider and you are blown out with c4 by the first passing random, becouse everyone uses c4.

[shy wind]

I think people are expecting too much from "Combined Arms Warfare"

Bad players + Bad tool = Bad Gameplay

[opal raft]

The only thing that can be expected from "combined arms" in a fps game is presence of ground and air vehicles.

[shy wind]

actually real

[opal raft]

Even in squad vehicle-inf cooperation is rare

And mostly limited to "tank shoot that hab"

[shy wind]

Well you have COD mfs running everywhere and die to riflemen so it's not a surprise

@opal raft wow they have a fucking RWS in the back of the BTR82's turret model?

💀

well you got your wish

[opal raft]

This is old.

And it looks stupid af, as I wrote in suggestion.

[opal raft]

Man i wish so, it would be gamechanger

[shy wind]

Turrets collision inevitable

[lilac ether]

Overlay time.