#Please keep EAC entirely

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ebon estuary
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having FACEIT implemented into the game would block off all linux and macOS users, and i really do enjoy this game, i respect you guys as developers but i please just ask you guys give EAC a chance, as the game is early in development, and as you guys (the game devs) must know, it takes times to work with the EAC team to implement game-specific anticheat measures alongside their universal EAC module.

I personally play a game called SQAUD that fully runs EAC for all of its servers (~400 hours playtime), and the game is at a stage of being fully implemented, generally speaking, in my anecdotal opinion, EAC has worked very well when playing SQUAD, with only a few occasional instances of me suspecting someone to be cheating.

I really enjoy this game and i hope you guys really think about this and consider keeping EAC entirely, i cannot dual boot with windows as it takes up space and it very much messes with my workflow (having to boot into windows for one game, then booting out back into linux to continue my workflow etc). I also require linux for my job as i am a linux software engineer.

umbral marsh
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Just FIY, community servers will still be able to run EAC. So you might still be able to play on those.

timid cave
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As already stated in #battlebit-eng message
EAC is going to stay implemented.

ebon estuary
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okay so i have a few questions then

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is progression (if it exists, or if it will exist) exclusive to official severs that will exclusively be using faceit

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and if these custom servers have the ability to use faceit, won't the vast majority just use FACEIT?

timid cave
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kind of:
Official server have there own progress for you
Community server are going to have there own progress which they can determine
Your progress on community server isn't going to be changing your progress on official servers

timid cave
ebon estuary
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i see

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could there be half eac half FACEIT official servers?

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or wait no

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the progression i guess would be linked together through all official servers

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if EAC is perceived as not as strong i guess in that context

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well anywho, i apologize for being toxic earlier, long story but not going to make excuses about that

timid cave
timid cave
ebon estuary
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but i just would rather be able to play the game on my linux machine and perhaps (if the engine allows it maybe not) on my macbook sometime in the future.

timid cave
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I think community server can use your official progress but, can't change it

molten acorn
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I feel you, I'm on a mbp, there's no plans for a mac version in the near future.

ebon estuary
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is faceIT always on? i used to play it way back in the CS days

timid cave
ebon estuary
timid cave
ebon estuary
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that's pretty much apples fault

ebon estuary
molten acorn
ebon estuary
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rather than activate on game start

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then exit on game exit

timid cave
ebon estuary
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ah

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i mean i think faceit is good too, i've played on it and it's pretty clean

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but i feel like i could also say the same for EAC

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on comp games i've never really had much instances of suspecting a cheater

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but anecdotal evidence is obviously a small pool

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if FACEIT just added proton/linux compat i wouldn't mind running it

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which actually was my next question

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do you know if faceit plans on any cross platform compat? or are they only adding in faceit for this game and csgo?

fringe bone
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they don't care at all

ebon estuary
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yeah wouldnt be surprised

fringe bone
ebon estuary
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yeah true

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some AC devs just straight up refuse it

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because they rely on the "driver barrier" concept

fringe bone
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Refuse it for no reason LOOOOL

ebon estuary
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basically because windows drivers need to be signed

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but cheat devs just find a privledge escalation exploit anyways

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they exploit some other software's driver to elevate themselves to ring0

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so that whole "driver barrier" concept is kind of pointless in my opinion

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analysis of the client and player behavior should be the main focus

ebon estuary
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so that's what AC devs are afraid of, well besides EAC and battleye which eventually found out that the driver barrier is really just a small mitigation

fringe bone
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"When running through Proton/WINE, the AC modules are ran in a protected userspace rather than system space (Administrator Mode on Windows).

In easier terms, almost everything apart from system apps is completely locked out from direct access to the Kernel, so no hidden crypto miners such as the Russian Black Desert client, or any other shenanigans."

"> All games and many, many other pieces of software do not have access to the Linux kernel in the same way that Windows allows

Windows only allows kernel access via a kernel driver, a .sys file. This is no different to a .ko in concept. You have to have elevated privileges to load one, and it has to be signed with a security certificate.

The same thing could be achieved on Linux if it were ever necessary, but anyone attempting to write such an anti-cheat would effectively be blocked at every turn by the Linux community."

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So the easiest way to get kernel level anticheat is just develop a native version of the game for linux with the proper driver file to interact with the Linux kernel. just like windows, easyyy

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But AC vendors are to lazy

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nothin' to do

ebon estuary
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i wouldn't mind a linux AC kernel module, so long as it respect my privacy (below this message is offtopic btw)

fringe bone
ebon estuary
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and if you actually look at EAC/BE's privacy policy, they are pretty fair

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however unfortunately i am the outlier in the linux space on that opinion

fringe bone
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Linux is not just about privacy anyways

ebon estuary
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well the problem is people think that when a program is kernel space it can compromise your privacy

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but what people dont realize is almost ALL spyware is completely userspace

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the kernel will give an userspace application all it needs to compromise your privacy without ever having to be in kernelspace

fringe bone
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Well, it can if the AC dev code something nasty on it yk

fringe bone
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archive (dot) is/8sa3s

ebon estuary
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but they wouldn't need a driver at all for that

fringe bone
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yeah

ebon estuary
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could be completely usermode and they can keylog your ass, take your pictures and documents etc

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all without even root privledges

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unless you explicitly lock your documents to root

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but yeah i at least hope there are a significant amount of eac servers on this game

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cause its a blast playing

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and if faceit ever changed its mind, and had a fair privacy policy, i wouldnt mind that either

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but as it seems right now faceit seems to be kinda riot-games esk attitude in terms of privacy policy and disregarding multi-platform compat

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so that changing would be wishful thinking at best

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which is why id just rather BattleBit stick with EAC

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and its not easy to implement a game with EAC, non-devs think its just a plug and done module

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but you actually have to work with the AC team and add specific things alongside EAC that integrates into the game

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if they gave it some time though im sure EAC could prove to be an effective solution for battlebit

fringe bone
ebon estuary
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im not anti wayland though

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a lot of their security measures are pretty reasonable

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wish i could run wayland but (cough nvidia..... come on guys)

fringe bone
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this bot.
nvidia PLEASE

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I have to rollback my nvidia driver just because the latest ones were broken

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and nvidia open source drivers are also bad, there is no way, next time i will buy AMD

ebon estuary
fringe bone
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well, it still sucks

ebon estuary
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ah fuck so the driver is still proprietary

fringe bone
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I don't understand the point of keeping the source code of a driver closed

ebon estuary
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but wait wont the kernel module allow nouveau to adjust the voltage?

fringe bone
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like

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why

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just why

ebon estuary
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because that's what was holding nouveau back

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they couldnt adjust the voltage

ebon estuary
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but most other stuff yea

fringe bone
ebon estuary
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like google open sources like 90% of theirsoftware stack

fringe bone
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but they sell the product, not the driver

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they are not losing any money if they release the source of the driver right?

fringe bone
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7 fps in a game called Muck

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DXVK

ebon estuary
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well the thing is nvidia locked the voltage at the hardware level and there's a signed key or some shit that only the official driver has

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thats why nouveau has bad performance

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because it uses like 5% of your GPU's power throughput

fringe bone
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In resume, people that work at nvidia driver development are dumb and making things more harder without reason

ebon estuary
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it was kind of cute looking at the repo the first few weeks

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because they were confused on how decentralized open source project management works rofl

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its not because of the gamers though unfortunately

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its just because nvidia's market has a large part of linux users that use their GPUs for AI computations and scientific stuff etc

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but hey, benefit to us still

modern kite
ebon estuary
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and 2. please dont marginalize a group of people just because of a misconception you have

modern kite
ebon estuary
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okay so lets run this down

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do you know what exploits are?

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like the jist of a software exploit

modern kite
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faceit anitcheat is always on and it scans for inject hacks as best as possible

modern kite
ebon estuary
# modern kite faceit anitcheat is always on and it scans for inject hacks as best as possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPtVD6DhAg&t=10s

YouTube
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This Match is Being Played on FACEIT

This is NOT the faceit client, skeet.cc can not bypass faceit client

I decided I'd test how much I can get away with on faceit in terms of cheating, turns out quite a lot. I used visuals, backtrack, and ping spike as shown in the video, and got some funny reactions from legit players. Unfortunately after every game it forces me to download t...

▶ Play video
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uh huh..

modern kite
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more like issue or hole in software

modern kite
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none of anticheat can prevent hacking

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its you who dont know how anticheats works

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just basics of what means good anticheat vs bad

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lol rekt by bot

ebon estuary
modern kite
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from tech side this game is perfect

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at least in terms of bugs and other issues

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yet its trash from other sides

ebon estuary
modern kite
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ok and?

ebon estuary
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great anticheat amiright, better to sacrifice 2 entire operating systems over

modern kite
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also this is cs, game that would been fucked by hacker creators for years

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for BB hacks would cost even more

modern kite
ebon estuary
modern kite
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bruh ok give me 1 sec

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why do you spam those shit?

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what it should say to me?

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that hackers still exist?

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on faceit

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WOW!

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but send me % of stats of hackers or basic mm and on faceit games

ebon estuary
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im sorry dude but you obviously do not work with software and you dont understand how game exploits work and why cheating is a problem in the alpha stage of the game where it is prone to exploits

modern kite
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nobody cares about your 3%

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like literally dude

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what

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im talking from side of developer

ebon estuary
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you dont understand how anticheat works or how game exploits work

modern kite
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and im actually know a lot about that side

modern kite
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and all you did is spammed with 0 purpose vids

ebon estuary
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prove to me you have any knowledge in software and post a github, gitlab, anything

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any sort of cert

modern kite
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lol

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how linux femboy rage looks like

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im know how hacks works and im was having a ton of contacts with hack creators in cs back at the days

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enough for this topic

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?

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im dont need to code to know that trading 3% of users that mostly aint even playing the games to much lower hacker % is perfect choice

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and you would be able to play on community servers anyway lol

ebon estuary
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you literally lose benefits for the same result

modern kite
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thats where your logic stops

ebon estuary
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EAC is respectful of privacy and is cross OS

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FACEIT is not

modern kite
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and idk you cant read?

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there is no anticheats that completely prevent hackers

ebon estuary
modern kite
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the main purpose of anticheat is lower the % of ones

ebon estuary
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yes i understand

modern kite
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and best anticheats today for that is valorant one and faceit

ebon estuary
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i never made the claim that any anticheat is a complete stoppage

modern kite
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because they are always online and always check for inject bullshit you wanna add in game files

ebon estuary
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my argument is that you get the same amount of mitigation with a properly configured EAC setup than with faceit

modern kite
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no you not

ebon estuary
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where EAC offers cross OS compatibility and better privacy where faceit does not

modern kite
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the diff is insane

ebon estuary
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yes you do

modern kite
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show stats

ebon estuary
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find any cheat for an EAC protected game where you can purchase a subscription for $20 a month or below and DM it to me

modern kite
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bc im know for fact that faceit works a lot better than any basic integrated

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because its obvious

ebon estuary
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ANY EAC protected game on the list, go look for one

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all you will find is private/expensive slotted cheats

modern kite
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none of intagrated anticheats cant compete with always online anticheats

modern kite
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which still good trade for 3% of users

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which in fact gonna be even lower than 3%

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may be 1-

ebon estuary
modern kite
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get windows.

ebon estuary
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you mean extra spyware? sure

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if you dont give a shit about your privacy, but i do.

modern kite
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another linux femboy take

ebon estuary
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install windows 11 tell me how that goes bro

modern kite
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stay with your privacy, run into forest lmao

modern kite
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super cool moded build

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with no shitty scripts

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windows is trash but you cant game on anything else lol

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im a gamer, there is no choice

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your choice, cry or windows

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those scriprs turned off