Extended Mag Recoil

[olive plover]

I understand there needs to be some kind of trade-off with having additional ammo, but why is the recoil so severely affected?

Reload speed and movement speed make plenty of sense mechanically, but the recoil seems like overkill.

On the other hand, quick mags have almost no drawback (or no drawback at all) so they're generally the best option.

The recoil effects should be removed or at least drastically reduced to make the extended mags more viable

[stark marlin]

@olive plover has earned the Tier I Member role!

[lavish mountain]

I agree, vertical recoil is completely pointless anyway, you can just delete it with a macro. It would be better if the game had an automatic recoil compensation system where it imitates how a soldier that's holding the gun would control the recoil instead of forcing the player to do some weird abstract pulling down with the mouse which also doesn't add anything to skill since a macro that takes 30 seconds to make can remove it completely.

and macros/scripts aren't bannable it seems. If people got bans for scripting the mouse to move down whenever LMB is held by the same amount as a gun vertical recoil then sure it would add some kind of "skill" otherwise its pointless

[raven quarry]

”Vertical recoil is completely pointless since you can remove it with macro”

Average bbr feedback/suggestions moment

Personally dont even care about extra recoil. Just remove the increased ads time. Such an annoying method of balancing guns

[tender zenith]

what on earth, just pull down who is scripting macros

also I am pretty sure a recoil macro is bannable

it's just hard to detect

I know your a sniper main so you don't worry about recoil anyway but

do you really think people are just using macros to avoid pulling down

[lavish mountain]

Good players can just pull down but there are a lot of those who'd rather a script/macro do it for them in any game, which makes such mechanics rather meaningless. For example, you can tap really fast with your finger depending on mouse and skill, to shoot really fast in semi auto mode. Obviously a lot of people would just use a script to tap fast for them while holding the button down. Hence oki added a max fire-rate limit to semi auto mode on guns so that everyone taps at a reasonable max speed making macros for that useless. Same can be said for recoil. The idea is that pulling down adds extra skill requirement since its harder to track people while also moving the mouse down (for mediocre or lower skill players) however because its so easy to just have a macro do all the hard work for you and have the same recoil control as the best player, the whole mechanic is rather meaningless just like it would be if semi auto fire wasn't limited to an artifical low firerate (best players would tap super fast but macro users would just hold LMB and get the same performance). So I'd say vertical recoil really doesn't add anything useful or meaningful to the game and guns/attachments shouldn't be balanced around something that anyone can just remove with a quick script.

[raven quarry]

Does battlebit have some sort of script kiddie epidemic im not aware of or are you blowing this script issue totally out of proportion

If we do, shame on them really

[lavish mountain]

Is there any statement on that? If the new super cool esports anticheat oki is gonna put in can detect autohotkey/logitech/other macro software and if it will be not only not allowed but detectable enough that people won't use it then sure, can keep it in the game. Otherwise just make recoil on guns behave like IRL when a person is holding the gun and controlling recoil. Pretty sure even cod/battlefield as poop tier as they are in terms of fps qualities but they at least make gun recoil realistic in terms of what it would look like if a trained soldier held the gun

[lavish mountain]

game is playable 6 hours a week I doubt many people bothered yet but on release there is gonna be tons of "pro tier recoil control" players who took the 30 seconds to make a quick macro to move mouse x pixes per time lmb is held

Maybe I'll make a suggestion at some point to either add detection for macro/scripts that mitigate recoil and make it bannable or just make the recoil auto-compensate like if an IRL soldier is holding the gun, I'd say that would make more sense than the way it is now

[rain tusk]

macro is bannable (otherwise devs are so dumb), also its so easy to see in input logs where human made them or perfect bot

and if you used them you should be permabanned too

[rain tusk]

sometimes even just by spectating, so they way such players gonna be banned is someone being sussy - he got spectated and he was spraying with x4 on fal - he got reported - oki checking logs - get shitted upon

[rain tusk]

1. there is almost no recoil on modern irl guns, good ar and ak builds can be sprayed in 1 hand, schoolgirl can hit a target with longest range sniper rifles, learn facts
2. irl argument, learn having better opinion
3. no, realism is trash balance way, learn basics of gamedev
4. cap, games you exampled doesnt have realistic recoil, none of the games does, they only got insane gunplay quality because of animations, models, impact, sounds, which makes you feel like you are holding gun yourself, read 1. and 2. (yet im agree that balance in this game is a lot better than in BB)

[marble ravine]

@rain tusk facts

[boreal matrix]

Yay we should Tarkov-tier realism.

Extended mags should cause reliability issues and have a jam chance %.

[lavish mountain]

there are no input log and nobody is gonna look through them, can also just use "rand" function in autohotkey to make it seem like human input. There are ways to detect that but "logs" ain't it.

[rain tusk]

banning dumb hackers is enough, which is most of them

you can never ban every shitter anyway

thats whole gaming problem not specific of BB

[lavish mountain]

1. I'm glad you learned facts. Did anyone ask that?
2. When in absence of argument, resort to claiming how some things work IRL is invalid. Quite cringe.
3. Learn to have a clue. Guns in the game are modelled based on their IRL counterparts and behave somewhat realistically, so do bullets. Perhaps we should make everything zero g and fantasy like... wait no, only you want that. I heard apex is good.
4. Maybe watch some youtube vidoes of how real world guns handle and their recoil/grouping and then compare again.
   Once again, fake vertical recoil is pointless and dumb when anyone can easily remove it. I'd be fine with it if macro/script use was bannable, but not only is it hard to detect, I doubt oki ever made it explicitly prohibited. Would be better if gun recoil behaved like a trained soldier holding the gun, aka how some other games do it that have decent gunplay mechanics.

[rain tusk]

only always on anticheats that always checking for both internal and external hacks scripts macroses and other low skill proofs
such as faceit or valorant one can fix it
but no one would make one for BB, end

[rain tusk]

such a trash take would not even bother stomping it

[lavish mountain]

The new anticheat might be able to detect macro/script use... the question is if oki cares. If he doesn't then there is no point having vertical recoil

[rain tusk]

letting someone else do it

[rain tusk]

lmao

[lavish mountain]

I got second hand embarrassment from your comment, at least you succeeded at something

[rain tusk]

you are beating records of trashest takes

you still have a time to say that you are trolling

idk

[marble ravine]

Cool inertia 4.0

[lavish mountain]

cool story bro, take it to https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/328817840025108484 since you have no arguments to make

[rain tusk]

im wanna have v recoil to rekt those hackers with all disadvantages i have

[lavish mountain]

nobody is asking for inertia, people don't move IRL like they do in tarkov, so they failed pretty hard making movement "realistic".

[rain tusk]

because im always will

so they would uninstall and comeback to tetris

best way to solve this problem

funny cartoon game * exist *
meanwhile cringelords: IRL IRL IRL IRL IRL

IRL<<< btwwww

[marble ravine]

Man most of your takes are pointless for this semi arcade shooter

[rain tusk]

most friendly way to say how this guy straight up sharted in chat

The new anticheat might be able to detect macro/script use... the question is if oki cares. If he doesn't then there is no point having vertical recoil

[lavish mountain]

It must be hard to comprehend my argument as to why vertical recoil is pointless and what would be a better way to do it. Don't worry though, its ok. You can continue making pointless comments with your buddy in https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/328817840025108484 instead

[rain tusk]

lmaooo, we cant prevent having those 0,2% of noobs in game, lets completely turn off mechanics!

[marble ravine]

Ok

[rain tusk]

no access btw, is it your personal toilet in this server? who let you quit it?

comeback and continue your takes generation
pretty please!

[marble ravine]

But I'am not doing i because nedgi this is not a proper argument .

[buoyant nimbus]

Please keep on topic and comments constructive.

[raven quarry]

what shooters out there take the alternative approach of what youve described for handling gun recoil?

[silent urchin]

I mean he’s got a point, vertical recoil hardly exists in this game. Just pull down.

[rain tusk]

then why he was talking about macroses lmao
no, its you simply missed any point that was maded in this topic, even his sharts

v recoil DOES exist in this game, sometimes even its fucking insane (prob this game got one of biggest recoils in fps games), thats why there is some cringelords that wanna macro

only vector mains with red dot dont know about it

[silent urchin]

This game has one of the biggest recoils in any game? Uh…..what? 😂

[gaunt aspen]

this is the worst take ever

the recoil in this game is VERY easy to control on any weapon

if you macro recoil on this game its likely you aren't potty trained IRL and need adult diapers

[rain tusk]

good luck spraying with x4 on rifles lmao

try to play the game feedback users

before speaking

[tender zenith]

Phantom forces has more recoil than m249 with a bipod when your not using the bipod

Game doesn’t have much recoil

And I come from planetside where recoil basically doesn’t exist

[gaunt aspen]

maybe dont spray? Its a given that at longer ranges recoil affects are substantially more drastic

[rain tusk]

literally some guns are flying into sky after couple of shots and guys trying to shart with their "pdeudochad easy to control im vector main" bullshit

[rain tusk]

get rekt

[gaunt aspen]

yea totally

[rain tusk]

changed topic instantly after dose of reality

[gaunt aspen]

how did I change the topic

all I said was that at longer ranges recoil affects are more drastic

so dont spray

[rain tusk]

recoil is insane
** pdeudochad: no its easy haha**
try to use something thats not vector
** pdeudochad: omg im sorry just dont spray**

[gaunt aspen]

im assuming its long range because you mentioned a x4 scope

no other reason to run a x4 if its not long range

[rain tusk]

ton of reason that you didnt know about

because you never tryied it due to insane recoil

[gaunt aspen]

no because you dont need it if you arent engaging in fights that require a scope magnification that large

[rain tusk]

but im used the x4 aug build and im know what insane advantage is, playing on range where other guns doesnt even take the fight

[rain tusk]

topic about recoil
pdeudochad: just dont use something lol!

[gaunt aspen]

thats not what im saying at all

[rain tusk]

if you dont shoot there is no recoil haha so smart!

thats literally what you sharted

why you dont using it?

surely not because insane recoil!

[gaunt aspen]

because I dont take engagements at ranges that require a x4

like I said previously

[rain tusk]

you dont take it because insane recoils lmao

not because you simply dont take it

but im did

and its insane advantage because most of you dont take engagements at ranges that require a x4

[gaunt aspen]

I dont take it because when you get into ranges that require high magnification scopes you are dealing with more than just recoil

[rain tusk]

most of you aint even trying to shoot me back or even understand what happening

[gaunt aspen]

there are other factors that play

[rain tusk]

because this game is so low range mostly

because its got insane recoils on guns

which is world wide fact

[rain tusk]

no there is not

[gaunt aspen]

yes there is

[rain tusk]

if x4 would be playable, everyone would use it

[gaunt aspen]

that isnt true

not everyone enjoys looking into a telescope

[rain tusk]

cope harder

i mean, much more players would

[gaunt aspen]

youre just making an assumption

[rain tusk]

straight up fact based on insane fps experience

you dont even need it

its basic logic

2+2

[gaunt aspen]

truly insane fps experience

[rain tusk]

guns got insane recoil + falloff = game became mainly low range

arguing with that is impossible but you trying it

with your casual opinion

[dusky grail]

My name is Taadd, and I’m here to tell you that you a building guns like trash if you geniuely believe this

[gaunt aspen]

maybe build your gun around long range?

or use weapons that are more suitable for it

[rain tusk]

hi taadd, im better than you in any game you know, goodbye taadd

[dusky grail]

Doubt

[rain tusk]

again, completely different topic that doesnt have a shit about actual one

[gaunt aspen]

its only a given that platforms not adapted to shooting at x4 magnification distances experience falloff

[gaunt aspen]

then why bring it up

[rain tusk]

its became braindead, try another arguments or dont ping me

[dusky grail]

Extended mag is brokenly strong cause the game has virtually 0 recoil and the recoil it does have can be countered with making a half decent gun build and pulling down

[rain tusk]

im saying fact about huge recoil on most of guns, guy saying that its not BECAUSE use other ones

holy fucking shit

[rain tusk]

many did, most failed

[lavish mountain]

cod and battlefield after I checked a few videos seemed like they imitate gun behaviour similar to what an operator will when shooting the gun full auto and using his hands to control recoil. I.e. the gun doesn't climb up, it just wobbles around target a bit depending on the gun, as it should be.

[gaunt aspen]

you're saying the recoil is huge when you try and SPRAY from ranges that require a x4 scope to see a person. When you get into that distance its more likely you are experiencing weak velocity more than anything

[rain tusk]

also him appeared

im cant handle so many

[dusky grail]

‘’MaNy DiD MoSt FaIlEd’ -🤓

[rain tusk]

funny!

[lavish mountain]

the point is that vertical recoil is pretty much pointless as it can be deleted with a macro and adds nothing to the game especially balance wise. As originally stated in this thread, making the bigger mags reduce move speed or reload speed makes more sense than boosting vertical recoil.

[dusky grail]

There is like 0 recoil in the game

[dusky grail]

Can be deleted by just pulling down

Or adding a vertical grip to your gun

[rain tusk]

show me a clip where you hit every shot with x4 on every gun

im waiting

[gaunt aspen]

hes talking about long range recoil

[rain tusk]

there is even low range one lmao

[dusky grail]

X4 scope

?

[gaunt aspen]

yes

[rain tusk]

yes?

[dusky grail]

Will do home in 30 minutes

[rain tusk]

isnt x4 part of game?

on 100m range ofc

not point blank

[gaunt aspen]

bruh

[dusky grail]

Ez

[rain tusk]

if there is no recoil

im would easily do this

so you

[gaunt aspen]

probably not considering you cant already

[rain tusk]

yea

because this game got insane kick on guns

[lavish mountain]

yea I know its easy to control, its also even easier to script, so overall I don't think straight up vertical recoil does anything for skill ceiling or balance. Should balance guns and attachments based on other attributes and in terms of recoil should balance around spray pattern of the gun itself not just vertical climb.

then you can't script it and guns would feel like they behave in a reasonable way and could actually balance things instead of just "well we put some vertical climb on this 100 round drum mag, balanced now I guess".

[rain tusk]

the concentration of nonsense on this topic is beating records

[silent urchin]

It doesn’t.

[rain tusk]

show me a clip where you hit every shot with x4 on every gun
im waiting

100m range

[silent urchin]

Is this internet dog?

[rain tusk]

first use scar or fa;l

[silent urchin]

Whose using a 4x.

[rain tusk]

another im saying fact about huge recoil on most of guns, guy saying that its not BECAUSE use other ones moment

[silent urchin]

Try using scopes with less visual recoil?

[rain tusk]

lmao

this topic a magnet for such ppl or what

ok im done its pointless

at least im need help from someone with more than 30iq

[silent urchin]

It’s a magnet for people that can smell bs from a mile away lol.

[rain tusk]

bs?

[lavish mountain]

I mean at that range the random horizontal recoil is quite significant however the vertical one you can just swipe mouse down with high sens or use a script for to remove. Whats the point of having it at all? Just make a normal spray pattern like you see guns have at the range when spraying a target. Can make it less or more realistic depending on balance requirements. Something too much of a laserbeam making all other guns pointless? Can increase the bloom or do something else, like make it so you can tap or burst fire effectively at longer ranges...

[rain tusk]

high sense<

using uneffective trash as argument was question of time

[lavish mountain]

if you're playing at super low sens for high accuracy you're not gonna have enough room on the mouse pad to swipe down with a 4x full auto on a high recoil gun

[silent urchin]

Ineffective trash argument as you claim everyone’s using the vector and hasn’t played the game.

Like?

[rain tusk]

im will on most of the games

but not in that with insane recoil

[silent urchin]

Post your stats, just for my curiosity’s sake.

[lavish mountain]

So far all your argumnets have been you calling everything that's said trash, you know how that makes you look right?

[rain tusk]

im better than you, end of curiosity

[fossil fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[lavish mountain]

you wish lmao

[scenic jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-drama-discorddrama-gif-22395692

[rain tusk]

like trying skill issue me is like trying to outlive immortality

[gaunt aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/620421092347084810/1100498637840203847/magik.gif

[fossil fractal]

this guy has to be a troll

[gaunt aspen]

either that or mentally ill

[fossil fractal]

this has to be corniest and edgiest shit i have ever heard

[lavish mountain]

if your skill level is comparable to your arguments I'd be surprised if your k/d is over 1

[rain tusk]

cringelords literally called whole clan to get stomped by me

[gaunt aspen]

show us your KD

ingame stat page

[fossil fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/edgy-snoo-gif-gif-22963572

[gaunt aspen]

send screenshot

[lavish mountain]

it was quite corny tbh lol

[fossil fractal]

how he felt after that

this is funny

[silent urchin]

Feel free to join battle blitz and play against me. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[raven quarry]

”im better than you”
refuses to elaborate

[rain tusk]

who?

[gaunt aspen]

send your ingame stat page

lets see your KD

[rain tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/274066653770153984/1101621160896122950/E2E082A3-7FA2-4FA7-A260-01887EF1567F.gif

[silent urchin]

The battle blitz competitive server, we host custom game matches every play test. Feel free to join I’d love to see the 4x gameplay.

[rain tusk]

nah you im ok with what im have now, 10v1 vs low skill cringelords that makes zero sense

[gaunt aspen]

send your ingame stat page

lets see

[rain tusk]

literally battlebit but in chat

[gaunt aspen]

if you're better

send it

[rain tusk]

send me vids how you are spraying with x4 on 100m and hitting every bullet first

[gaunt aspen]

buddy is dodging

[rain tusk]

like its bad maners to ask after you got asked

you literally dodged 3 times

[gaunt aspen]

im not home buddy

[rain tusk]

get one

[gaunt aspen]

burger brain

[rain tusk]

trash opinion

[silent urchin]

I mean you’re claiming you’re higher level and better than everyone. Back it up.

[gaunt aspen]

^

[silent urchin]

That’s all people are asking.

[rain tusk]

the numbers of times im did it says that its pointless

[silent urchin]

You’re trying to bring up an argument from authority, prove you’re the authority.

[rain tusk]

because it always obvious for me knowing how good im

[gaunt aspen]

do you come home on the short bus?

[rain tusk]

the chances that you are better is less than 0.1% because mostly in fps if im played enough im top 0.1%

[silent urchin]

Prove it.

[rain tusk]

why?

[silent urchin]

Post your stats.

[gaunt aspen]

Prove it.

[scenic jasper]

send a clip or smth

[rain tusk]

you need a prove not me

[lavish mountain]

top 99.9% for sure

[silent urchin]

https://youtu.be/7oq-AB_ZIC4

Recoil doesn’t exist.

Pull down.

[rain tusk]

ak <
red dot <
stomped this 1h ago <

[gaunt aspen]

whats your most used weapon?

[lavish mountain]

Yea I was saying, its either so easy to control its irrelevant for balance, and whoever struggles to control the vertical recoil in the game (somehow, idk crippled maybe) can just use a script to delete it. Kinda pointless trying to use vertical recoil to balance anything when its so irrelevant

[gaunt aspen]

show us your stat page so we can see

[rain tusk]

was want to say ak mains but ak got at least some

[scenic jasper]

he is in a clan war what do you think he was gonna use?

acr xd

[rain tusk]

get readed like a book

[rain tusk]

i dont care?

it was recoil topic

[scenic jasper]

k

[rain tusk]

im stomped yall on it

cry about it

[silent urchin]

Feel free to sort my videos there’s plenty of guns lol.

[gaunt aspen]

all you could say was "im better insane fps"

and you refuse to show us your stats

[silent urchin]

You have no proof lol.

[gaunt aspen]

burger brain

[lavish mountain]

you claimed you are an authority on the subject and don't have a skill issue yourself, unfortunately you're too embarrased to submit proof.

[silent urchin]

Like I said, join blitz and play against us in competitive. Prove you’re better.

I’ll send you an invite if you want.

[rain tusk]

proof of recoil in game, try to open it and play something thats not meta laser

[silent urchin]

Sure, any gun you want to see?

[rain tusk]

im seen everything i need

[silent urchin]

?

[rain tusk]

its only yall who need some proves but aint deserved it

[fossil fractal]

this guy is trolling the shit of u guys

[rain tusk]

may be someday, if im gonna take BB seriously

[silent urchin]

I’m saying what gun do want to see.

[rain tusk]

nah, but running is an option

[silent urchin]

Has two warns.

Not surprising.

[rain tusk]

fal x4 spray

[rain tusk]

got them for nothing

[fossil fractal]

as soon as yall said show the stats n he says i dont need to prove it shows he trolling lol

[silent urchin]

What is your obsession with 4x.

[gaunt aspen]

taking games serious 💀

[silent urchin]

There’s a difference between gun recoil and visual recoil.

[rain tusk]

because obv red dot recoil is not that huge on most of the guns

[rain tusk]

says guy who was begging for skill proves for 10 mins

[silent urchin]

I wonder why.

[gaunt aspen]

i asked you a few times because you claim to be the best

just wanted to see proof

[silent urchin]

Probably because you can’t back your claim up.

[rain tusk]

im not the best

[gaunt aspen]

clearly

[rain tusk]

ill be one after 300-500h

[silent urchin]

?

[rain tusk]

thats not best

[lavish mountain]

you're not even remotely close to 0.1% either and never will be, I guarantee you that

[silent urchin]

Top 0.1% isn’t the best?

[rain tusk]

clearly says about your overall fps skill

nah its only beginning of being best

one of

best is top 1

[fossil fractal]

this guy is

something

[rain tusk]

10% is you no more casual
1% is you actually good
0.1% is you can stomp 1% but will lose to 0.01%

[gaunt aspen]

do you wear a diaper when you play games

[rain tusk]

nah

[rain tusk]

sure

[fossil fractal]

i promise you

you are not remotely close to that

nobody here is

[rain tusk]

someone is

overall peak skill of this game is low because its new

in terms of aim im surely is because im can transfer it from other games

[silent urchin]

What region.

[rain tusk]

movement and rotation needs improvement

lacking hours

but it only question of time

[fossil fractal]

what games have u played where u are top .1%

[silent urchin]

What region are you playing on though?

[rain tusk]

eu

[fossil fractal]

^

[lavish mountain]

you play in east EU? with 200 ping?

[rain tusk]

you will hear about me if this game will deserve my main

[lavish mountain]

Can't wait

[rain tusk]

no? why

[gaunt aspen]

that isnt answering his question

[rain tusk]

btw im played vs you

[lavish mountain]

you sound like you are from asia

[fossil fractal]

why dodge im genuinely curious

[rain tusk]

im was like im know this nickname

[fossil fractal]

what games have u played where u are top .1%

[rain tusk]

why should i

if you was having better opinion may be im would answer

[gaunt aspen]

do you have any mental disabilities

[rain tusk]

but you made my brain feel pain with those takes

[fossil fractal]

just sounds like ur trolling

[rain tusk]

thats just my style

[fossil fractal]

okay well until i get an answer i just wont believe anything

[lavish mountain]

that's all you say but never have any valid argument to contribute, nor prove you are some kind of top player that knows what he's talking about. It really sounds like you have some kind of issues and not just skill wise

[rain tusk]

you dont need to

[silent urchin]

I’m actually shroud.

Believe it or not.

I don’t have to prove it.

Pro csgo player.

[lavish mountain]

im sinatraa I have D-amp IV in my arm 8 hours a day

[rain tusk]

shroud is not that good, at least name someone cool

why yall sticked to me so much lmao

[gaunt aspen]

here I will send my stat page

and then you

ok?

[silent urchin]

He played pro CS lmao.

[rain tusk]

no

[scenic jasper]

how about a clip?

[silent urchin]

Yes shroud was a pro csgo player my guy.

[rain tusk]

being pro and pro in esport is so different btw

[silent urchin]

And that’s me, I’m shroud.

[rain tusk]

hi shroud

[buoyant nimbus]

Friendly reminder, keep discussions productive, civil and on topic. Thanks!

[gaunt aspen]

I sent my stat page now you

prove you are good

[rain tusk]

would be so cool

[silent urchin]

I showed you mine, now you show me yours.

[lavish mountain]

matoi is claiming he's an expert because he's so good at the game, so we are trying to get him to finally at least have something to back that up, besides his non-existant other "arguments" like "ur dumb cuz ur dum" lol

[silent urchin]

Avallac 10kda incoming.

[rain tusk]

should i write an essay about fact that stats doesnt mean shit?

[gaunt aspen]

then why try and claim you are better

[rain tusk]

or you would be actually good in games and know it from beginning

[scenic jasper]

ok then give us a clip/vid

something

[lavish mountain]

lol I would but last time I got a warn for doing that in a thread lol

[rain tusk]

im not? its you 2 who was trying to skill issue me

[raven quarry]

Nah dont bother im sure everyone here has seen that speech from some sub 1kd player in the past

[gaunt aspen]

never did that though

[raven quarry]

[rain tusk]

im just parried it so hard

[gaunt aspen]

why you lie

[rain tusk]

that yall still crying

[lavish mountain]

I mean send us a clip and show the recoil issues you are describing at least?

[spark turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-dodge-gif-20095362

[gaunt aspen]

you are crying now though

[rain tusk]

how

im here only because im keep getting pinged by whole clan

[gaunt aspen]

I dont need to answer

[spark turtle]

@rain tusk

[raven quarry]

[storm heart]

did u even tried other games that have genuine recoil in game other than full on laserbeams ?

[gaunt aspen]

so true

[fossil fractal]

this whole thread is comedy

[rain tusk]

it was taadd

[fossil fractal]

this dude is trolling the shit out of you guys

[lavish mountain]

anyway getting back on topic, does anyone agree that vertical recoil as a balancing feature in the game is kinda pointless since you can so easily control it or script it that its literally irrelevant? Can balance attachments based on other factors like movement speed or reload speed and so on.

[gaunt aspen]

am I taadd?

no

[rain tusk]

cant remember every noob that got rekt

😢

[gaunt aspen]

maybe you are just stupid

[rain tusk]

still it was happened

[gaunt aspen]

have trouble remembering names

sign of Autism

you are slow?

mentally?

[rain tusk]

im dont think so

[gaunt aspen]

very likely

[rain tusk]

ok.....

[gaunt aspen]

maybe go to doctor?

[rain tusk]

nah im ok

[gaunt aspen]

i dont think so

very troubling

[lavish mountain]

would explain why he can't make any kind of argument and can only say "ur wrong cuz ur wrong" or "im good at the game so I know" but has terrible stats...

[rain tusk]

No.

[lavish mountain]

care to elaborate?

[spark turtle]

need to just crank the recoil on guns if they want it to be impactful

[rain tusk]

thousand of arguments was outspammed and forgotten

[gaunt aspen]

very surprising you can remember

[rain tusk]

impact and recoil is different

[lavish mountain]

yet to see anything from you except "on 4x scopes with a fal you can see vertical recoil having relevance cuz its so massive"

[gaunt aspen]

is there a dent in you head?

where the circle stops and goes flat?

[rain tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/88090800226865152/1039229741569421462/blinky.gif

[gaunt aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/620421092347084810/1100498637840203847/magik.gif

[rain tusk]

this ciraya guy got malded

so hard

[gaunt aspen]

no

[rain tusk]

sending funny gif cant save you from being in tears

funny fact

[fossil fractal]

first thing ill agree with from you

[rain tusk]

but im can send them freely!

[gaunt aspen]

you sent gif first

no?

[rain tusk]

yes

lacking tears on eyes have an advantage

[gaunt aspen]

you say you can send freely but I say you send first

2 different thing

which is why I asked

[buoyant nimbus]

Keep insulting language out of this thread. Rule #1

[rain tusk]

you keep asking but keep being not asked

[gaunt aspen]

very wise

but I can ask without being asked no?

[spark turtle]

should make a thread for it

real

valid

[rain tusk]

yes but you forgot ratio and balance

[gaunt aspen]

how so

[rain tusk]

thread actually should been closen after avakek farted

[rain tusk]

no balance between asking and being asked

[gaunt aspen]

but who are you to say where there is balance

[rain tusk]

where is your honor

[gaunt aspen]

balance comes from the Earth

there is a balance

in everything

[spark turtle]

no balance in battlebit

[rain tusk]

you are ruining it

should we kick you from the earth?

[gaunt aspen]

but this is what you say because you are against me

you cannot show me

[rain tusk]

true!

[gaunt aspen]

why balance is not there

without being against me

[lavish mountain]

too bad matoi isn't a patreon backer or we could have a good time in patreon backers channel...

[rain tusk]

you are patreon barker

💖

[lavish mountain]

kinda unfortunate he still can't make any valid argument about vertical recoil and its impact on attachment balance... One can only hope that one day he will just like he will climb from the bottom of the scoreboard to be a top battlebit enjoyer

[gaunt aspen]

patreon backer get the game and skin for same price as game on release

very wise

to do

[bitter leaf]

👀

[lavish mountain]

and can trash talk in their special channel

[rain tusk]

The new anticheat might be able to detect macro/script use... the question is if oki cares. If he doesn't then there is no point having vertical recoil

[rain tusk]

says 👆

[spark turtle]

macro

[lavish mountain]

yeah oki said new anticheat is used in esports, so it should be able to detect even mouse scripts... if the feature is to be enabled.

[spark turtle]

bro

[rain tusk]

im cant

[gaunt aspen]

how come

[rain tusk]

the point is, you said that if game got macro players it shouldnt have v recoil lmao

[spark turtle]

i mean v recoil isnt noticeable anyways

[rain tusk]

another one

[spark turtle]

its valid

horizontal however

thats the stupidest thing ever added

[rain tusk]

horizontal recoil is worst thing about this game

🤝

[lavish mountain]

point was, you can macro the vertical recoil away completely, its super easy. I didn't say it was hard to do it yourself as decent players can easily do already. So vertical recoil doesn't increase skill ceiling since anyone can macro it away in 10 seconds and neither is it helpful for balance since you can just pull down easily making it irrelevant and even if you were to say it makes bad players worse, it only does the ones that won't just use a mouse scrip or autohotkey to remove it. Does that make more sense?

[rain tusk]

if only avakek would able to macro it!

[rain tusk]

less than 1% would use macro lmao

[lavish mountain]

why use vertical recoil to balance attachments when anyone can pull down and make it completely irrelevant, and even those who can't can macro it away?

[rain tusk]

nobody cares about those shitters balance wise

its not an mmo rpg where macro a bit more common

[rain tusk]

why recoil if no recoil?????????

[spark turtle]

u wanna balance guns

[lavish mountain]

yeah there was a time when VAC used to not care about texture hacks, how many people do you think used them? So many that there were more of them than legit players because it was free and unbannable until steam had to change that.

[spark turtle]

reduce damage

[rain tusk]

may be to make shooting a bit more harder?

[lavish mountain]

yeah just use movement speed or reload speed

[lavish mountain]

it doesn't make it harder for good players and really bad ones can just macro it

[rain tusk]

if does

[lavish mountain]

so balanced some other way instead?

[rain tusk]

everything impacts everything

when you are pulling down, funny fact, its harder to aim at same time

[storm heart]

[gaunt aspen]

no?

[rain tusk]

and the harder you must pull the harder the aim

[lavish mountain]

explains why you won't share your stats

[storm heart]

another skill issue

[rain tusk]

so you actually saying that aiming freely is same as aiming when pulling down?

[lavish mountain]

i think you need a macro

[gaunt aspen]

yes

[lavish mountain]

it takes like 1-2 games to get used to it if you've never pulled down before and then aim as you do normally

[storm heart]

yes it is easy

[rain tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559901453834256404/902002136211148831/image0.gif

[rain tusk]

wdym easy

its not about easy

its different

[storm heart]

you're just coping because you think aimtrainers will help you with everything

[rain tusk]

which already enough

[lavish mountain]

Idk for decent players its not even noticeable to pull down cuz they get used to any vertical recoil that the game has very fast.

[rain tusk]

to be argument to have v recoil in game

thanks that yall are so dumb and no one ever would listen you, end of convo

[storm heart]

ur just dumb for having a skill issue

[lavish mountain]

why add something to attachments to give them a downside when this downside doesn't not affect decent players and trash ones that can't pull down and aim at the same time can just have a script do it for them to have pro tier recoil control?

[storm heart]

broski dont u have like 4k hours in csgo and complain about all that stuff

thats wild to me

keep shooting the balls in range

surely ur mechanics gonna get better in everygame

[rain tusk]

what this guy just said

[gaunt aspen]

how you have 4000 hour in csgo when you cannot shoot well when pull down gun

[rain tusk]

you are just lacking logic

you would answer this yourself

thats easiest question

but you just lacking something

[gaunt aspen]

boosted?

[rain tusk]

yea im was right thinking that yall bad at logic

im said that shooting when pulling down affects aim, and yall begin to say that im this im that

lmao

so easy for me

[gaunt aspen]

you say it hard to aim when pull down

it not

[gaunt aspen]

see

[rain tusk]

if yall curios, im the aim guy, im can have bad movement but trying to throw at me something in this topic is pointless

[rain tusk]

it is

[gaunt aspen]

no

[rain tusk]

not for me ofc

i mean

[gaunt aspen]

not true

[rain tusk]

its not hard

its harder

learn to read

learn to think

so much yall should learn holy

[storm heart]

hard ego for someone that would have trouble to control vrecoil on soldier in overwatch

[rain tusk]

you cant argue that its harder its dumb

[wet magnet]

vertical recoil does increase skill ceiling u are braindead

[lavish mountain]

how much did you pay for the boosts? I used to charge $500 for ow, I can do your battlebit stats for $50

[wet magnet]

it can be negated by macros of course but that is cheating

[rain tusk]

finally, a guy with braincells

[wet magnet]

just like i could install esp do much better and that is also cheating

[rain tusk]

you dont need to explain that cheating is cheating korex

i think they can understand this at least

sure they??????

[wet magnet]

avalac seems to think that everyone can install a macro so vert recoil is "useless"

macro = cheating, no different than esp or aimbot installed

[lavish mountain]

it only increases skill ceiling vs super braindead players and since I doubt oki will make macros bannable (the esport anticheat he's getting might be able to, but I doubt he will draw the line there) it means that it doesn't really increase skill ceiling since if macro use is free anyone can just delete it and good players aren't affected by it since its easy to control. So whats the point of having it? especially trying to balance attachments with ti

[rain tusk]

lets make something clear first, avakeke cant think.

if he would, he would never say that he says

[fossil fractal]

omg even korex is here

good lord

[rain tusk]

who is korex

[lavish mountain]

there is a difference because anyone can script it in 10 seconds and it won't be detectable ever

[rain tusk]

this guy looks cool

[gaunt aspen]

nightmare blunt rotation

[fossil fractal]

thats how yk this shit has devolved into monkey brain argument

[rain tusk]

because he shares my opinion

[fossil fractal]

fuck it, lets get wave and avoidable here too

[rain tusk]

its not something big, because anyone with more than 30iq would, but counting how many already failed......

[rain tusk]

pls no

[fossil fractal]

@wicked wave @median citrus you guys would enjoy this

[wet magnet]

i mean yea the skill ceiling increase from vert recoil is not large and any decent player should be able to control it. but whats the point of removing it besides allowing super braindead players easier control of the weapon?

in a esports setting all of the players should be able to control vert recoil

[storm heart]

but I never did argument that recoil doesnt increase the skill celling, all im saying is you need to have serious skill issue if you cant control both horizontal and vertical recoil

[median citrus]

Don't drag me into Matoi "convos". Thanks.

[lavish mountain]

move mouse down x amount per time lmb is held, add rand function if needed for pull down value. Thats it end of script, can do it on a logitech mouse with their build in LUA scripting software in like 10 seconds

[wet magnet]

there are a lot of ways to detect macros

[lavish mountain]

anyone gonna ban logitech macros? Or autohotkey? doubt it

[rain tusk]

haha thanks god that he acts like vampyre seeing holy water

[rain tusk]

yes.

[lavish mountain]

what games do that then? never heard of anyone getting banned using logitech lua feature

[rain tusk]

so pls do this

so we would never hear you again

[fossil fractal]

so u can argue with me but not him?

thats crazy

[gaunt aspen]

you arent braindead

[rain tusk]

im so powerful

[median citrus]

You at least only try to seem like your IQ is in the triple negative.
He doesn't just act.

[rain tusk]

but he got ethereal clantag.....

[fossil fractal]

your genuinely the first deterrent to avoidable ive met

[wicked wave]

I've posted in this thread before I just can't find what I posted

[wet magnet]

logitech lua, im not sure. its harder for ac to detect as logitech software is usually whitelisted.
but for things like ahk, i know EAC can already detect it. either way for issues like this, people will always find a way around the protection just as they do with regular cheats. but why should vert recoil be removed all together?

[fossil fractal]

to fool your enemies you must first fool yourself

[wet magnet]

if u remove vert recoil all u are doing is making it significantly easier for bad players to control the weapon

[lavish mountain]

AHK only specific script code is detected, like color aimbots that you can do with AHK, any self written and complied script is undetectable as people use autohotkey for legit use, so only specific cheat code is bannable, simple scirpts like pull mouse down aren't last I checked. There is other whitelisted software like logitech LUA stuff. I'd say vertial recoil is pointless. Half decent palyers aren't affected by it, trashcans can just script it away for free

[wicked wave]

oh huh apparently I haven't posted here

[storm heart]

ofc and I dont think anyone will argue with that

[fossil fractal]

this is a nightmare thread, avallac korex me avoidable wave reaper all we are missing is internet dog

[wicked wave]

anyway what the fuck is even going on in here

[storm heart]

bro just have skill issue about recoil

c:

[wicked wave]

who

[manic girder]

what

[lavish mountain]

sure but some of them are just gonna script it away. So make it bannable and detectable or do something other that vert recoil.

[rain tusk]

first 10 messages are best

[wicked wave]

if it's that matoi guy I know, I was in a game with him on sat and I seem to recall him talking big shit on here but he sure didn't have the scoreline to back it up

[gaunt aspen]

he refuses to send his stats

[wicked wave]

he barely broke 1 kd

on sandyshitset

[lavish mountain]

ur right can someone ping him

[rain tusk]

sometimes playng with random build is hard........

[manic girder]

what is this about?

[storm heart]

how is it hard to put 10 minutes into learning the recoil

[lavish mountain]

matoi claimed he knows everything and is right cuz he's top 0.1% meanwhile his k/d is rarely above 1 cuz "using random builds"

[gaunt aspen]

hes complaining that there is a lot of recoil spraying from a rifle long range with a x4 scope

[rain tusk]

how my kd is higher than 1 then

even 2

[wicked wave]

weird how everyone always uses this exact excuse

[gaunt aspen]

show

[wicked wave]

"bro I was just using an off meta weapon"

I do well even with the 550 so rly makes u think

[fossil fractal]

jesus lord is my entire clan here

go do something guys

[rain tusk]

you are also lying

[fossil fractal]

holy fuck

[rain tusk]

there is no way im was below 1

[manic girder]

I am sick

[wicked wave]

oh fuck not this fucking discussion again we already had it with internet dog that absolute troglodyte

[rain tusk]

send screenshot

[wicked wave]

I said you barely broke 1 you absolute ESL

[fossil fractal]

@wanton nexus come here bud

[rain tusk]

im not simply use offmeta, im using insane trash

[storm heart]

doggy muah muah

come

[rain tusk]

still

[storm heart]

my biggest skill issue enjoyer

[gaunt aspen]

hes MIA

[rain tusk]

im got 2 at worst like

[lavish mountain]

lol did you see how internet dog was flexing that he's 300 pounds and banged his single mom teacher in school or something weird like that. It got really intense, his argument

[gaunt aspen]

hes been MIA since that

[lavish mountain]

its like matoi but with more spice

[gaunt aspen]

wonder

where hes gone

[lavish mountain]

hanging out in school with his... teacher? I guess

[fossil fractal]

that shit has in tearsss

[rain tusk]

interntet dog was at least funny

[gaunt aspen]

keep him away from a school fr fr

[rain tusk]

and having arguments

not even that braindead as yours

[storm heart]

[rain tusk]

@wicked wave im thinked that we was friends

[gaunt aspen]

you thinked wrong it seems

[storm heart]

bro you gotta be a glitch in a new tesla ai update

[lavish mountain]

lol well this was interesting but I'm gonna go watch a show or something this got kinda repetitive and boring. I miss internet dog, he could always take it to the next level in any discussion

[rain tusk]

im prob got 3 games total where im was running like bot trying to red dot sniper builds

[rain tusk]

where is him?

[lavish mountain]

can easily make red dot sniper work better than 1 k/d

[rain tusk]

not after 5h of gaming

the problem with kd bullshit, if you died a ton in one game for any reason, even 7 kd cant fix it in second game

so idk why even someone still count this as something

[wicked wave]

I don't really know who you are so I'm not gonna say we're friends or enemies or anything like that (lol it's the internet) but like c'mon man

you were literally talking mad shit about how good you were a while back

[rain tusk]

im still are

do*

send a screen of that game

[wicked wave]

so of course i'm gonna call you out on in when it's obviously not true

[rain tusk]

also if it was sundy it explains

[wicked wave]

you literally ragequit on the end screen

I was going to screencap your score and troll you with it

but you literally left the server immediately

[rain tusk]

ragequit on end screen........

[wicked wave]

it could've been some other dude with the same name but you play EU?

[rain tusk]

yes

im quit at end frequent

isnt end exist for it lol?

[wanton nexus]

Why would I waste anymore of my time arguing with weebs? Not like Doki actually looks at feedback anyways lmao.

[rain tusk]

he does

also first rule of matoi, if its sandy = dodge or go bot

im no more playing trash 128 and game became so good

even sandy map

[lavish mountain]

Oh hey!

[lavish mountain]

does oki care about feedback?

[rain tusk]

ye im seen him there

[wicked wave]

yeah but most feedback is dogshit

[lavish mountain]

did anything ever get done? if he cared about feedback he'd revert explosives change and make it more reasonable

[wicked wave]

created by smoothbrains like internet dog

[lavish mountain]

the feedback on explosives change was good, people had good alternatives

[wicked wave]

eh I don't really mind the explosives change

[rain tusk]

something obvious = yes

[lavish mountain]

its less fun and there are better ways to fix chockepoints

[rain tusk]

but trash like remove v recoil because logitech soft exist prob not

[wicked wave]

"hey nerf recoil so we can use 4x scopes on assault rifles"
"no that's stupid I'm not going to do that"

anyway what's this fucking thread even about

[rain tusk]

extended mag nerfing gun

which im agree is trash

[lavish mountain]

ur still not gonna spray with 4x on assault rifles due to spray pattern, its too ineffective at that range even if you remove vertical recoil and add regular even realistic IRL bloom.

[rain tusk]

somehow avakek turned this into macto and anticheat topic

[wicked wave]

no exactly, but that's what that dude was asking for

and people were like "if you want to use a 4x you're gonna have to switch to semi and tap"
"NO I should be able to full auto spray people down at range with a 4x"

[lavish mountain]

it was about adding vertical recoil or any recoil penalty stats on mags was kinda dumb and should be balanced some other way like move speed. I added that vertical recoil is kinda dumb overall and especially balance wise. Imagine they add 100 round drum mag that gives you 10 vert recoil. Good playes are gonna use it and be fine and bad ones are just gonna script it and still play meta

[rain tusk]

if only you wouldnt add this shart.....

[wicked wave]

for me it's just adding recoil with a mag doesn't make sense

[lavish mountain]

should just make it move speed or reload speed penalty

[wicked wave]

the gun literally gets heavier

[lavish mountain]

that too

[wicked wave]

I guess you could argue it throws the balance off?

but like

[rain tusk]

irl wise it doesnt, but nobody cares about irl

[wicked wave]

there's a reason nobody cares about vert recoil and does everything they can to minimize horizontal recoil

[rain tusk]

but im not saying that this is trash way to balance mags

[wanton nexus]

@lavish mountain

[rain tusk]

here we go

[lavish mountain]

yup I'd say there are better ways to balance guns that direct vertical recoil

[wicked wave]

oh boy here we fucking go

[wicked wave]

for sure

[wanton nexus]

4x is already as consistent as 1x

[wicked wave]

then what's the fukcing problem????

[rain tusk]

no its not

[lavish mountain]

just pull down dude its same as using 1x

[wanton nexus]

Is for me

[lavish mountain]

its gonna be inaccurate, as it should at that range

[rain tusk]

so you literally said what i said

[lavish mountain]

but you said its hard to control? you can control vertical recoil fully, then ur left with horizontal, and ur still gonna be missing spraying with any sight at 100 meters

[wicked wave]

"wow why can't I laser people at greater ranges with a 4x"

real big think on that one

[rain tusk]

anyways, im already stomped internet kek on this topic

[rain tusk]

show me where im said it

[wicked wave]

it's like people don't fucking understand proportions or something

[rain tusk]

booba > ass

[lavish mountain]

scroll up im not gonna bother. You implied you can't control FAL vertical recoil with a 4x when spraying, suggesting that its a relevant attribute

[wicked wave]

holy shit you're wrong even here

[rain tusk]

fight me

[wicked wave]

"no."

[lavish mountain]

anyway im gonna make a diff thread prob about vertical recoil in general. I think its pointless unless oki is gonna go hard on macros and ban any ahk or logitech lua user

[rain tusk]

no one with effective sense settings and effective mouse pad starting point*

[wicked wave]

it's not like he can just remove it

[rain tusk]

pls no 🙏

[lavish mountain]

have a big pad and up sens if ur struggling?

[wicked wave]

OR, alternate route, stop trying to full auto a battle rifle with a 4x

[lavish mountain]

yea change it to like, can use as a base, IRL bloom cone patters, can find those on youtube. I'd say they're reasonable

[rain tusk]

you gonna get stomped avallac

im took easy on you

but if you create one

its not gonna be only me

think 2 times before doing it

[lavish mountain]

cope

[lavish mountain]

my bussy is squinting at the thought of it

[rain tusk]

you are gonna get vaporised

and beat the record of downvotes

[lavish mountain]

how many accounts are you gonna have to make to accomplish that? Ur like the only one who disagreed with my arguments here

most people also don't care as its not a big issue

[rain tusk]

im wont even do something

[rain tusk]

no other dudes there was just doesnt giving a shit about your takes, only about mine lol

only korex came and destroyed you in 3 messages

[bitter leaf]

Is this still going on?

[rain tusk]

nah

im saving avallac from end of carrier

nothing special

[lavish mountain]

thanks, clutch

anyway new thread time at some point when I'm bored enough to have a discussion about how to balance the game better than vertical recoil

maybe I'll even make a script to showcase how lame it is that anyone who can't even be bothered to pull down can negate it

[rain tusk]

arent you supposed to do about macro one

[lavish mountain]

well I'd have to look up the exact commands again if I feel like bothering to make that point more obvious, general idea is move mouse down by x per time interval lmb is pressed, its pretty simple, just gotta look up the exact commands for logi or ahk

its also not hard to imagine how easy it is and what the outcome will be

make it detectable and bannable or just use something else for balance

[wicked wave]

you'd need to use the same rifle and nothing but tho

[wanton nexus]

1x should be better at close range. 4x should be better at long range. Right now they are pretty much equal, so people just use 1x because it doesn't hide your surroundings as much.

Simple solution is to just slightly tone done horizontal recoil, it's not fun to deal with regardless of your scope, and then turn down the amount of 4x scope visual shake to make target acquisition easier.

That's all I'd really change.

Last thing I'll say is no one should even bother responding to wave, he thinks a good balance change is to, unironically, remove all marksman rifles from the game

Byeeeeee

[wicked wave]

hm yes I see but you're stupid

a 4x is better at range but the rifle isn't

holding down m1 and expecting the acog to do all the work for you is complete and total insanity

[fossil fractal]

i missed you

[wanton nexus]

I keep getting baited with lies like this lmao. I never advocated for no recoil.

Less horizontal because it's uncontrollable

[boreal matrix]

I mean, basically all the ARs are harder to control than their IRL counterparts in this game.

[wanton nexus]

Balanced with less damage at a distance

and maybe more vertical recoil

Vertical requires some skill

[wicked wave]

yeah commonly known fact is that everyone just fires full auto with their acog at extended ranges

[wanton nexus]

That's it

[boreal matrix]

I agree with Avallac that vetical recoil is too easy to control if you just have a macro.

[boreal matrix]

What is an Automatic Rifleman.

[wicked wave]

yeah dude having an automatic setting on your rifle means that's what you use and never ever switch it to semi

so true!

[boreal matrix]

Ahahahaha sure buddy.

[wanton nexus]

It's already better to just full auto instead of single fire

[wicked wave]

maybe I can write you a prompt to give us a full lecture on it again

[wanton nexus]

At pretty much every distance

[boreal matrix]

What is suppression.

Suppression in this game is too weak for ranged full auto though.

It's a shame.

[wanton nexus]

This is roblox battlefield, why are you guys talking about real life at all?

[wicked wave]

garry brought it up, he seemed to think it was relevant

[boreal matrix]

When it comes to comparison, real life is the baseline for most guns.

[wanton nexus]

No

[wicked wave]

hm yes indeed battlebit takes so much inspiration from real life

[boreal matrix]

Like what's the point of having an AK-47 in your game if it acts nothing like one.

Or if its handling is nowhere near what it actually is.

[wicked wave]

as you well know it's fairly common to see people firing bolt-action precision rifles from a standing position

the m200 is such a light and nimble rifle, after all

[lavish mountain]

you don't need to make everything super realistic, but realistic gun handling is fun and balanced in its own way. Perhaps can adjust the maps so that some guns are better in conditions and ranges they are meant for, instead of just making every gun equally viable in every scenario which is kinda eh

[wanton nexus]

Christ. This is a fucking VIDEO GAME. You balance around what makes the game most fun without making the game unblanced.

[boreal matrix]

wave
Master of putting words in my mouth.

[wanton nexus]

AUG

[wicked wave]

oki has (thankfully) already said that realism won't be a factor

[wanton nexus]

AK should be best all around gun, but AUG should be better at range

[wicked wave]

isn't that exactly how it is

[wanton nexus]

Nope

[boreal matrix]

AUG firerate is absolute ass.

[wicked wave]

the aug fires slower but keeps its damage for longer distances

[lavish mountain]

idk I like when guns shoot like they do IRL, its fun. Sure some guns are better than others depending on scenario, and game doesn't model armor so vector is great and you don't need to shoot unarmored areas...

[boreal matrix]

They did my boy dirty.

[wicked wave]

and has less recoil if memory serves

[spark turtle]

i can shoot ak further than every gun in the game

apart from snipers

[wanton nexus]

Which is why it's ideal for long range full auto

But AK is still better

[boreal matrix]

Oh yeah I've used it like that before (in gun game, AK-74 is my beloved).

[wanton nexus]

This is dogshit balance

And it will never change

[wicked wave]

"it's dogshit because I don't like it"

powerful

v powerful

[lavish mountain]

thats good as long as the game is fun and makes sense. but it doesn't hurt to have say, realistic gun spray pattern instead of weird vertical recoil thats lame and can be easily scripted away

[boreal matrix]

^

[wicked wave]

just git gud and vertical recoil is a nonfactor

[silent urchin]

Doesn’t the aug have the highest acc in the game?

[boreal matrix]

There's no point to calling your guns anything real or basing them on real designs if you're just gonna make them completely different.

[wicked wave]

why not

they look cool

[boreal matrix]

You may as well swap the names and models of half the guns.

[wicked wave]

ok works for me

what's the problem

[wanton nexus]

All the best ARs feel the same, all the best SMGs feel the same, all snipers feel the same. There are no niche guns that excel in their own areas. There is always a multipurpose s tier gun that does everything better.

[boreal matrix]

That's the problem.

[lavish mountain]

yes, and if you don't get gud just use a macro. Whats the point then? why not just have a cone of fire. Laserbeam at very close range, rng if you hit at long range.

[wicked wave]

because that feels like absolute shit

[boreal matrix]

Yeah if macro isn't bannable then it isn't hard to just make a believable one.

[wanton nexus]

At lvl 100 this game is boring af and I skipped the last playtest because of the burnout.

[wicked wave]

oh thank god hopefully you won't stick around

[silent urchin]

Join battle blitz, play against good players in scrims.

[wanton nexus]

1 day a week for 4 hours causing burnout after like 100 hours

[boreal matrix]

it's a shame it wasn't you who burnt out

[wicked wave]

weren't you the guy who said he was going to leave the server once his leaf disappeared?

yet here you are

[wanton nexus]

There's nothing new left to do

[wicked wave]

curious!

[lavish mountain]

yea making macro bannable would be good if they can detect it, then vertical recoil is fine. I just find it lame that it doesn't really serve any purpose if any half decent player can just pull down and aim and trash can macro it away

[boreal matrix]

what is a joke

[wicked wave]

jesus christ what is this ADD shit you play the game to kill dudes

[boreal matrix]

i stg maybe you're the nedgi clone

[wicked wave]

hmhm yes indeed

[boreal matrix]

regard

[wanton nexus]

He thinks, unironically, that Marksman rifles should just be removed from the game

[wicked wave]

yeah what purpose do they serve

they're shit

[boreal matrix]

Yeah it makes it kind of pointless.

[wicked wave]

the ranges they'd be useful at don't exist as discrete engagement ranges

[wanton nexus]

These discussions are a waste of time

[wicked wave]

ARs are strong until bolt-actions are stronger

[spark turtle]

@wanton nexus u recovered yet

[wicked wave]

there's no middle ground for DMR players to faff around in and pretend to be good

[silent urchin]

Then just don’t comment on them?

[boreal matrix]

Idk man. The way I see it, there are like 3 people on this server who's entire life purpose is to shit on any meaningful suggestion.

It's kinda a shame really.

[wicked wave]

not that you'd know since you've never made a meaningful suggestion in your life

[boreal matrix]

what is a shit opinion

[wanton nexus]

Trueeeeee

[silent urchin]

Anything I don’t agree with.

[wicked wave]

oh, that's a question you're very apt at answering

[boreal matrix]

^

[wanton nexus]

Byeeeee

[wicked wave]

basically all of yours

[boreal matrix]

see ya

[boreal matrix]

damn he got me

[lavish mountain]

lol

[boreal matrix]

Yeah, Irl it's more the horizontal sway of your own body and breathing which is harder to control on 5.56 rifles.

Which makes for more fun gameplay than just pull down + M1.

[lavish mountain]

yeah I agree I'd rather recoil be modelled that way. Can leave crazy movement for skill, and maybe make it so sways are random-ish but you can control them and can't just use a script that does the same thing every time. Like make sway predictable but varied

[boreal matrix]

Yeah.

[wicked wave]

sounds like arma 3 is right up your alley

[lavish mountain]

then its skillful and scipters can't cheese it in 10 seconds

[lavish mountain]

arma is a trash game though

and not fun

[wicked wave]

loads of fun if you know what you're getting yourself into

[lavish mountain]

I tried arma 2 and it was boring and clunky as hell

[wicked wave]

which is to say absolute jankfest

[lavish mountain]

yeah its giga jank battlebit is super smooth

[boreal matrix]

Oh you only play it to fuck around with the boys. It's like 200GB Garry's Mod.

[wicked wave]

that's because battlebit is the real spiritual successor to battlefield

[lavish mountain]

I see

[wicked wave]

anyone who says "oh it's like squad" should be taken out back and shot

[lavish mountain]

i gotta get off tho have fun ya'll

[boreal matrix]

Nah it's not like Squad.

But it should be like Squad.

[wicked wave]

no

[boreal matrix]

Squad is 💯

[wicked wave]

we have squad for that

the shitters need to go back to squad

[boreal matrix]

Peak gameplay.

Sit in window for 90 minutes.
Get shot across the map by a BTR.

[wicked wave]

or wait until their containment mode gets put in the game

~muh hardcore~

[boreal matrix]

Oh fuck yeah.

Hardcore should be default.

Other gamemode should be called "Shitter".

[wicked wave]

vile but expected

[boreal matrix]

HLLchad vs Battlecel.

[mint yarrow]

Please stay somewhat on-topic here

[wanton nexus]

@bitter leaf

Gotta issue a warning to this dude since I got one for the same thing ❤️

Thanks

o7

[raven quarry]

https://youtu.be/T4-csL67CbM?t=171

[gaunt aspen]

wasnt insulting him

just letting him know that generally if you have trouble remembering names then it may be a sign of autism

[wanton nexus]

I did the same thing with Sho and got a warning

Sooooo

[fossil fractal]

lmfaoooaaoaoao

[fossil fractal]

im just built different

[silent urchin]

He’s just built different.

[fossil fractal]

simple

[wanton nexus]

Guess I should appeal my warning since Ciraya is off the hook lmao

[buoyant nimbus]

🤨

[wanton nexus]

[boreal matrix]

Alright but context matters.

Pigeon moment.

[wanton nexus]

It's the same context lol

[wanton nexus]

Hmmm

[wanton nexus]

Hmmmmm

Seems like using autism as an insult to me

[half adder]

[wanton nexus]

If that's not insulting, neither was me asking Sho

And in my case, Sho didn't understand that calling something aids was insulting

So if any of these questions was a genuine non insult and just a genuine question, it was mine lmfao

This is what happens kids. This is what happens when you all pretend to be offended by something and abuse the system. No one gets to have nice things.

[fossil fractal]

bro is upset that i got him warned

[fossil fractal]

lmfao cope

https://tenor.com/view/goku-fortnite-get-griddy-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-gif-26491049

[buoyant nimbus]

A warning has been issued. Can we move on?

[fossil fractal]

how was ur day pom

[wanton nexus]

Yeah, but honestly no one should be getting warnings or bans for autism insults. Calling someone retarded is accepted on Twitch, same with autistic. I understand this isn't Twitch, but it's a good baseline to go off.

[fossil fractal]

rule #1 bud

no insults period

[wanton nexus]

Yeah, but that isn't enforced lmao

Only when it reaches a certain point

[fossil fractal]

yeah well retard is a slur

whether u like it or not

so

anyways

recoil control aye

pretty nifty

cool idea guy got going on i think idk i didnt read it

[wanton nexus]

Googled if it's a slur and majority of websites are saying it isnt