btr/lav accuracy

[tough hornet]

apc accuracy is shit it cant help close fights dies to 2-3 rpg shots and even cant help from long distance because of accuracy and bullet travel speed
increase accuracy or bullet travel speed so they will be more useful

[untold merlin]

armored vehicle gameplay in Battlebit is Shit in general small Rpg stops your 60ton tank and make you apc fly HE rounds sometimes dosent splashdamage so many dudes with rpgs you will die so quickly ones the enemy team sees you the gunner dosent have thermal Coax is to unacurate to

Atleast give the tanks armor so all those Rpg hits on the turret face and frontal plate wont do damage or very little tanks are to weak plus the short ammo supply now

[vestal dragon]

2-3 shots? APCs get oneshotted by the easiest RPG to hit in the game lmao.

[lyric thicket]

Tandem does 87 out of 100. HEAT about 50 i guess

[lyric thicket]

And vid doesn't work, on mobile at least

It funny becouse I find that the best way to survive in apc is to keep distance of 200-250m of enemy, so outside tandem range. But it means that you are lucky if you hit 4/20 shots. And I am not speaking about direct hits, I means dealing dmg by splash efect

[vestal dragon]

Nah heat does 34% health. I think it's bugged or something and doing more damage from behind than it's supposed to.

[lyric thicket]

I don't think apc have resistance zones like tank. So it may be a bug

[vestal dragon]

yeah good question. when I shoot APCs from behind with a tank AP I still do the normal 40% damage so I don't think the zones work properly.

[lyric thicket]

APC is even supposed to have them?

[vestal dragon]

idk

[noble pawn]

Apc has a weak spot

It’s just small

And I don’t remember where

Also heat does 20 or 40 damage to apc

I think 40

[uneven mantle]

APC straight up doodoo

[lyric thicket]

Engine? Right at the back?

Would be my guess

[mossy tartan]

APCs have their weak spot on the middle of their body right side

With one nice direct tandem, you can destroy an APC

The thing with the APC is that you kind of need to use it as a tank, not rushing-in with it into an urban area.

I wouldn't say the accuracy is bad in the APC but more like the driving is other worldly, steering degree is like 12-18°, has no breaks, when getting shot you fly away like a little bird.

[uneven mantle]

whichhhh is stupid considering to even hit anything properly with APC you gotta get into at least 200 meters with the enemies

[mossy tartan]

Are you joking?

Are you for real?

[uneven mantle]

not even the slightest was that an exxageration

shit got artillery accuracy at 200m

[lyric thicket]

Accuracy is bad. You will miss even at 100 meters very often. Target was 130m and I missed like 6/7 to a static target.
www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/133bds8/apcs_expirience_in_a_nutshell/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[lyric thicket]

And driving and physics just sucks

[uneven mantle]

APC cannon as accurate as birdshot

[mossy tartan]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about

[mossy tartan]

You do bursts of fire

[uneven mantle]

accuracy by volume? God no 20 rounds won't solve much shit I swear

[mossy tartan]

If it would be accurate you and everyone would cry about that an APC beams you down from 200 or 500 metres,
I remember how shit it was to play against them when they weren't balanced, they simpley hold down a hill or a plain and you could only hit them if you used a tank.
Because HEAT RPG is viable up to a few houndred meters.

[uneven mantle]

but that's exactly what people do?

[uneven mantle]

it doesn't have to be laser accurate bruh, the rebalance was too harsh on APC that they basically become shit

[mossy tartan]

Currently they are fine for me as an APC operator and as an APC destroyer

[uneven mantle]

shit accuracy + small damage splash radius + bad mobility + shitty camera
Seems fine

[mossy tartan]

When you balancing you need to consider both using the object properly and destroying or being against the object properly, and think about how balanced they are, if you only consider one side your balance will become broken

[lyric thicket]

Oh god what kind of copium you were feed. APC is bad, except as a inf who wants to destroy it. Because it is very easy.

[uneven mantle]

they got the destroy object properly part correct and fucking undo the using object properly part

[lyric thicket]

Lol
It is fine for inf players

[mossy tartan]

Balanced accuracy, balanced damage, bad mobility, decent camera (what's wrong with the camera? 💀)

[uneven mantle]

grainy resolution + you cant even use night vision with it (you can with other vehicles but not this one wtf???)

god it feels like the spotter camera but no thermal mode at night

[uneven mantle]

can you explain how's the damage balanced? On players the current damage is fine BUT the splash is too small

[mossy tartan]

Same thing with helicopter bad pilots, if you are a bad pilot you will kill yourself and your transportees, if you are a bad apc operator you will die and kill your squad

[uneven mantle]

ok so skill > quality?

by that meaning we shouldn't buff anything since we can still be alive with it

[mossy tartan]

There are no copium present in my body, i just know how to use the APC properly

[uneven mantle]

how to use it properly doesn't make c4 strapped enemies disappearing everywhere

[lyric thicket]

I am not bad usee, maybe average, but I still think they are bad, accuracy especially, it is just ridiculous

[mossy tartan]

???

Sure if you want them OP, people who knows how to use them properly, will become killer machines and you will cry about that its OP

[lyric thicket]

Idk if wanting them to miss less means i want them to be OP. I would think that it will make them a little better. It doesn't have to be hitscan lvl of accurate.

I can accept how squishy they are if they were more capable in offensive capabilities. Right now they aren't good at anything. Of course you can achive a good score of 50/1. But it is extremely hard.

[mossy tartan]

Sure like +10-19% accuracy could be a little okay, but at +19% it will becoming OP for people who use them well, you know what I mean

[lyric thicket]

I was thinking about them missing 4 out 20 shots. Not hitting 4 out of 20.

So that's my idea

[mossy tartan]

Currently having +14 kill streaks, with the change it would be +18 or even +20 kills.

[lyric thicket]

I don't understand your statement. Some more context? Maybe elaborate?

[mossy tartan]

Currently with APC I am getting over 14 kills, with the change it would be over 18 or 20 kills per lives.

I remember a mad man who did ~70 kills with 0 deaths with the APC before the nerfing changes

[lyric thicket]

I did it recently

But it was wierd match, with kind of bot like enemies.

But more often than not 15-20 kills per APC seems like a good score.

[uneven mantle]

God I wish we have advanced ammo concept for APCs as well

[lyric thicket]

Yeah, some AP would be awesome

Right now you need to shoot 40 rounds to make other APC burn

[uneven mantle]

I really mean it lol current APC damage against any vehicle that isn't a tank or APC is absolute doo doo

[lyric thicket]

That's at least 12 sec in reloading alone

[uneven mantle]

add to the fact that you have 20 in the mag and 6 sec reload inbetween no matter empty or tactical reload

[lyric thicket]

APC dmage is good against soft skins. It sucks against tanks and other apc's.

[uneven mantle]

which explains why AP would come in handy

[mossy tartan]

Because when that was considered, they weren't suppose to do dog fights, apc vs apc

[uneven mantle]

ok so they just have to accept their fates when they meet tanks?

[mossy tartan]

Nah when you see tank you just gtfo

[uneven mantle]

God I can only remember one instance where I destroy a tank using APC and he wasn't on fire yet (so lucky lol)

[lyric thicket]

It is kinda wierd for vehicle that is supposed support inf, to can't do it agains the biggest threats to them.

[uneven mantle]

you can't easily when facing headon

[lyric thicket]

True

[mossy tartan]

Depends from situation how you are positioned mostly

[lyric thicket]

What? Like what?

[uneven mantle]

reverse speed initially is horrible but acceleration puts you through unwanted speed if key's pressed too long which can push you into obstacles and put the tank in an easier position to kill you

obviously that's super dependent on map and map knowledge but can still happen

[lyric thicket]

Nah, it happens on every map, with Valley and sandy being the worst

[uneven mantle]

well yes

[undone helm]

people who stay stationary in close fights in the apc are suffering a skill issue.

[lyric thicket]

Engaging in close fights with any vehicle is "skill issue"

[unborn schooner]

bear in mind this is footage of this guy's APC play https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1038851505270313111/1104496747574726836/polack_mogged.webm

I don't know if I'd consider him an authority on the subject

rather the opposite

anyway rule of thumb is balance things around how good people play

[lyric thicket]

Oh god man. I made one mistake, and you happend to record it. And now you will push this shit in convo to prove a potin that, what?

If you want to play that game

[lyric thicket]

I wouldn't consider myself an authority too. I don't have ego as big as you

[unborn schooner]

cool thanks for demonstrating LAVs are obviously fine

[lyric thicket]

Don't take my dubious amount of skill for balanced gamepley

[unborn schooner]

if you can go 65/0 in an LAV then clearly LAVs need to be nerfed

[lyric thicket]

And maybe I can just play them better than most players?

[unborn schooner]

okay so then they're fine

shouldn't be balancing things around the lowest common denominator

[lyric thicket]

Mayby this score is above average, and shouldn't be treated as a concrete evidence

[unborn schooner]

#1104421602378137701 message

either you're good, and they're fine, or you're not, and they need nerfing

take your pick

they certainly don't need buffs just so that an average shitter can get massive killstreaks with zero effort

[lyric thicket]

I am good and they are bad, that's my pick

[unborn schooner]

but you've posted a 65/0 game

[lyric thicket]

The fact that you don't see any problems with them speeks only of your lack of expirience and ignorance to evidence shiwed by others

[unborn schooner]

you've literally just posted a 65/0 game screenshot of yourself in an LAV

proving it's possible

somehow this isn't good enough

you can't have your cake and eat it too

[lyric thicket]

Amd what If, but hear me out, this can came as a shocking news, if some if good enough then he can do good score with shity vehicle?

[unborn schooner]

then the vehicle is fine

I've just said twice that you shouldn't be balancing things around the skill level of an average-to-bad shitter

[lyric thicket]

Idk man but missing 60-70% of your shits doesn't seems fine

[unborn schooner]

it's obviously fine enough to top a scoreboard with zero deaths

[lyric thicket]

So by that logic, you shouldn't take my score as a example that they are good, becouse I am average ass player

[unborn schooner]

how do you propose LAVs be reined in in order to account for better accuracy?

[unborn schooner]

yeah, by that logic LAVs should be nerfed

[lyric thicket]

You can't nerf this shit more

[unborn schooner]

you certainly shouldn't buff it

[lyric thicket]

Idk how you came to that conclusion man

[unborn schooner]

do you understand basic logical syntax

[lyric thicket]

It seem that you never played it, and you don't know about what you speak of

[unborn schooner]

if A, then B
if B, then C
therefore, if A, then C?

[lyric thicket]

Yes, I do

But I am not biased, like you

[unborn schooner]

does logic work differently in poland

either you're a shitter and LAVs need nerfing, or you're not and they're fine

you can't just take an LAV and throw it at infantry and then expect it to drive away unscathed, which is what you seem to be arguing for

in your specific case, you can't expect to drive into sandysunset D on a 254-player server without any kind of supporting complement whatsoever and when an RPG tags you to then proceed to rapidly accelerate in the direction of the assailant

clearly you understand this on some level at least part of the time because you managed a 65/0 game

there clearly isn't a problem with the LAV's ability to kill infantry since you've got more kills than anyone else in that screenshot

so what exactly seems to be the problem

[vestal dragon]

what am I reading, it doesn't matter if he went 65-0 on an APC in one game. What matters is consistency. If you get lucky in one game because your team is good and you're facing bots, but then in the other games your APC just gets destroyed, that doesn't mean the APC is overpowered just because of that one game.

Fact is vehicles are just not all that strong and very inconsistent right now. You're just hoping the other team is bad because if there are smart players using tandems it's hard to do anything. Even if you're with your team the tandem is so fast you can get shot before the person dies and then you're forced to retreat. You can't even get out to repair your vehicle near your team because there's no driver seat lock so you can get griefed super easily. Or how APCs can somehow get oneshotted by a HEAT rocket which doesn't seem right.

And map balance in the game right now is just so bad. Some maps are just impossible to use APCs on unless you camp very specific spots. If you play Salhan for example you are just dead on the APC unless you camp the water near RU base or the tunnel towards D? (forgot what point it is). Lonovo night the APC is just useless and tank will die in one minute 99% of the time unless you camp the C bridge or NA/RU spawn. Most maps are not balanced for vehicles.

[unborn schooner]

based

[uneven mantle]

Doesn't change the point that LAVs are doo doo

[unborn schooner]

git gud

[uneven mantle]

lmao what?

[untold merlin]

it funny how you cant hit a person beyond 200 to 300m you need to waste your whole mag for one person at that range and the mag size is to small give 100 round mag and a long reload between the second 100 mag

[brittle kindle]

What if:
No mag but overheat added
More heat = more spread
The splash damage radius is so small, you need often 3 hit at close range

[lyric thicket]

Inteesting idea, but leave splash damage as it is icrese hits to kill from 2 to 3 instead

[brittle kindle]

the damage fell ok, but paired with low acc, its weak
and ppl who thing more acc will be op to camp is not true bc the ttk leave enough time to react

[lyric thicket]

Yeahz currently dmg is ok, and only accuracy is a problem. But if overheat would be added dmg should be lowered

[uneven mantle]

need more splash but same hits to kill

[uneven mantle]

Come on, it's not so bad now, I easily do dozens of kills with zero deaths on APC.

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[lyric thicket]

Well, me too. And everybody that known how to play can make 30-0. But this doesn't mean that accuracy isn't shit, when you notoriously miss more than 60% of your shots due to spread and cof.

In fact, you are missing so much in a weapon that doesn't even have recoil

[warm mirage]

I was going 60+ kills and often zero deaths in the APC and could hit targets at fairly long range when playing conquest. Sure it takes more ammo especially at longer ranges but its an apc not a tank. If anything its intended for transport and fire support not stomping everything. Making apcs even stronger is questionable.

[brittle kindle]

open top transport are almost as effective in that role

[warm mirage]

APC is armed and armored and works as a mobile spawn point

[brittle kindle]

"armored"

one shot by tandem, 2 by LAT

[lyric thicket]

It doesn't work that way. It works like normal vehicle, you can't use it like mobile rally.

[brittle kindle]

well, for your squadmates

you can always spawn in vic but usually, trasport are single use assets

[lyric thicket]

You can always spawn on squadmates. One being in APC doesn't change anything. And it is a shame becouse it could be intresting if this vehicle had some spawn capabilities.

[brittle kindle]

i mean, the spawn cant be proxy

or "in fight"

[unborn schooner]

hilarious how often this is quite literally because when getting to a point people don't bother parking it in a good spot, just ram it into a wall and pile out and then a different jeep is spawned elsewhere with the front pointing in a better direction so they take that

[lyric thicket]

True Battlebit experience

[warm mirage]

if you are near a point that can't be spawn on, I thought vehicles controlled by your team, as long as your team still has the point, let anyone spawn there? not just squadmates?

like on district if your team controlls middle point, you can spawn into the jeeps at the bottom even though you can't spawn on the point

should work same way for APC

so you can use it as a spawn point for your team even if the point is contested

unless im confusing something