TANKS' LOW AMMO COUNTS PROMOTE MORE CAMPING

[nimble pendant]

You can't shoot from safe zone man

Learn the game first

You can't shoot, heal, repair with tool, reload, ads, use any kind of gadgets there

In spawn protection zone you can do all of that, as well as take damage

There is no place nor possibility to shoot while being invincible in this game

You are either uninformed, or lying for own convenience, spreading such easy to check informations

I hope its first one

[topaz wing]

Wait someone in #battlebit-eng was telling me tanks regularly shoot from safe zone. I haven't played since the playtests so I can't just check it.

[nimble pendant]

So you trust info from BBR eng, and don't check it?

It was amways cesspit of trollong

Nothing changed

[rose mesa]

yall im confused is there any reason for the APCs (the ones with the 30mm cannons) to be this innacurate? out of 15 shots, 0 hit where i was aiming at 50 meters. i was trying to get someone behind a tank husk and they would just get flinged around. pretty stupid when all it takes is one rpg or someone holding sprint for 1 second to get behind you and c4 you

honestly i think the problem is that every single class can take C4. at first i found that funny but now i find it stupid. you try to help your team anywhere near a city you get rained on c4. not to mention enemies with tandem just camping your spawn exit waiting to one shot you in the ass

[nimble pendant]

no, there is no reason for that tbh,

just bad design

[rose mesa]

its especially annoying when i need 5 damn shots to kill one guy if i miss him by an inch

or even more

its a 30mm for gods sake

if a stupid rpg can one shot it i dont see why it shouldnt be able to one shot players

[nimble pendant]

Rpg shouldn't be able to one shot it

It's stupid

No game does that ffs

[rose mesa]

waits 5 minutes for apc
gets one shot by spawn camper
mfw

i dont mind it being able to be one shot from behind, but i do really mind not being able to one shot back with a round that should very much vaporize anything alive that it hits

[nimble pendant]

Nah man, 2btk is good, especialy with splash

The survivablity of APC is a joke

[rose mesa]

i would agree if the gun could hit anything in the first place

id be more accurate with a shotgun that has a barrel shorter than the round

[nimble pendant]

Yeah

But it's like, one of the most complained things

Surely it will be improved

[rose mesa]

i hope

would be nice to have some protection system with a cooldown

it just kills the first rpg so you at least know youre being shot at

APS system or trophy or whatever

[topaz wing]

It wouldn't be realistic at all but I feel like many armored vehicles would be in a much better place if they had more health, but had significant damage drop off past mid range. To encourage them to actually push and support infantry.

[nimble pendant]

Any nerf to drop off is not an encouragement for more aggressive play, no matter how recompensated with buffs. It's more of a whip, than incentive

[keen magnet]

Devs decision to give every class C4 already big nerf for armored Vehicles imo. Why dont they just give different type of c4 like other class get c4 that ineffective against armored and give engineer somethings like shaped charge or EFP

[nimble pendant]

Because thay want everyone to be AT guy

[severe willow]

Nobody likes being in a situation where the only option is to retreat or hide

because people want to play quickly and kill everything

[nimble pendant]

Doesn't mean that one guy should be able to solo power multiplier

Especially on 127vs127

When there is 127 of those guys

[severe willow]

Agreed

[nimble pendant]

Such unprecedented scale requires different approach, and what is done currently is not that

[topaz wing]

Honestly if they rework vehicles I think armor should require multiple people to operate, and be balanced accordinly.

[severe willow]

Thing is people have to be kept happy
And most people probably like their ability to destroy tanks or APCs whenever the opportunity arises

I personally feel like a more well-accepted solution be to aim to adjust vehicle mechanics so it’s harder to get C4 onto them but still having the possibility open, which might be a bit fiddly I suppose.

I’d need more opinions on that though as I’m just projecting here

[nimble pendant]

That's would be nerf and more. People didn't come to roblox bf for a Squad level cooperation, they don't want to do that

Big boat is an good example, no one wants to be a driver

People don't expect to sit in driver position only driving, in arcady fps game

It would kill this gameplay loop

That's very bad take, like seriously, we have players that don't heal/ress as medics, what gives you idea that they would be designated driver for a tank, only for other player to have all the fun of being a gunner

Look at tank commander seat (F2) it's more important than MG seat, but players barely use it, unless in premade.

It's very boring gameplay, you only click 1 and 2 , and even then you don't really contribute without comms

That's why it mostly serves as glorified passenger seat

[keen magnet]

FR. Majority medic just run pass dead bodies.

[keen magnet]

Underrated position. Free xp you just click click and get xp. But imo its better to give commander seat m2 that they can switch to.

[nimble pendant]

I mean, definitely underrated, and very powerful too

Thermal scope with 8x zoom is not a joke

But no one is using it, and effective use really requires using comms and giving more info than just a 2d ping

[keen magnet]

Kinda pain in the a** if the tank driver didnt listen to you. Like wtf, i have thermal vision you know. Just shot at my damn ping

I even talk to you how many enemy or where they are

[nimble pendant]

Language barrier, doesn’t give a shit, doesn’t care, have voice disable, or most commonly, is to much occupied with not dying

[keen magnet]

Tank only powerful when the crew is premade or in same clan with some experiences together

[nimble pendant]

True, but let's be real, that's definitely too much of a requirement for any game

Even for Squad/arma

[keen magnet]

Kinda works in arma or squad because they have hardcore milsim vibe to it

[nimble pendant]

For a game like BBR, a fast paced arcade BF-like shooter, its too much

[nimble pendant]

I mean, it works, but you can do that with total randoms, because all players know they need to cooperate, use comms, follow SL orders

There is no culture lile that in BBR

[keen magnet]

Well not yet because we dont even have hardcore mode or something like that

[nimble pendant]

Yeah

It will work in hardcore

But it's too much for an arcade

BF4 did vehicles coop well

Only one additional player, and he have a gun to use

That's all

Simple yet effective solution

[keen magnet]

Well I think devs didnt want this game to get too "arcadey" With that solution

[nimble pendant]

Then we have a big problem of totaly useless feature

Like, at best, it's free XP farm, unless you are one of the few, that do tanks as premades, which will be propbaly extremly rare

in scope of the game

While limiting acces to thermals for all 99.9% other players that doesn't play that way

[keen magnet]

With how underwhelming armored vehicles currently are. Even 1 servers full of players didnt want to use tank or APC sometimes they just left it in base

[nimble pendant]

Yeah, i see that often on 128. More rarely on 254 tho

But tank left in base at the start of the game is relatively common sight on 128 EU servers

[rose mesa]

ive got 40 kills in one tank life by myself, with no help. tank only works with a good team that doesnt let enemies walk all over you

you can have the best tank crew in the world

if your team is bad and they let past one single guy with c4s, youre done

i literally ran past 6 people, all looking my way, and put 4 c4s on an abrams and blew it up

would also be really nice if we could repair from inside the tank like in battlefield 1

you cant move and you can only shoot

would solve the problem of people stealing your tank too

[nimble pendant]

Yeah, and requiring other players to baby sit a vehicle is extremely stupid decision to make in casual game

Especially when those players don't care to babay sit, and sometimes are stupid enough to not know they are classes in the game

Tanks should be competent on their own, not when baby sited by team members

[rose mesa]

bruh, missed someone by an inch with a T90 HE round and they survived

love it when a round that could level a house tickles someone

[keen magnet]

If only we have good suppression system implemented at least with HE round wheezing near enemy it will make them suppressed so not to peek around or shot rpg at you when you miss

[rose mesa]

honestly id love for the rpg to leave a trail

cant count the amount of times im just getting shot from somewhere inside a forest

[nimble pendant]

Imagine shooting at a guy with 30mm autocannon, dealing dmg with HE, and he is still able to accurtly hit you

His limbs should be in the air

But he doesn't care

He just stands there, aiming at you

[keen magnet]

If only devs care that much for vehicles players

[zinc sonnet]

Imagine that the 30mm could direct one hit you

[rose mesa]

That made me think, why do tanks get flinched by rpgs but people dont get flinched by a 30mm

Half the time i get hit by an rpg i get turned 90*

[nimble pendant]

Bad physics

[analog igloo]

my guy a 120mm HE shell will rip your arm apart from 20 meters away lol devs just don't care

[nimble pendant]

30mm will do it from like 5m

[analog igloo]

and also HE(EATFS) will just rip through you instead of exploding on your chest

[nimble pendant]

On direct hits there is nothing else than mince meat

[analog igloo]

they probably use training ammo

devs be like fuck you no good shit for you

bro this is the AP shell lol

what are devs thinking

@nimble pendant wonder why APCs suck

the fucking training ammo with no explosive man

[nimble pendant]

God, rarden is heafty as fuck

[analog igloo]

nah bro it's definitely the GAU 8 HEI-T round in this game

[nimble pendant]

So Warrior have better armament than Bradley

[analog igloo]

HE yes AP no

these devs are thinking we use training ammo bro

[rose mesa]

yo

whats up with the HE drop compared to AP?

AP be going straight like a rail gun and HE is like throwing a rock

[nimble pendant]

Yeah, Oki calls it balancing

I heard a urban legend, that there should be a drop indicator working

But that's only a myth

[rose mesa]

💀

[nimble pendant]

Exactly

[rose mesa]

whoever is the dev really does not like vehicles

at least ground ones

tank - countered by every class

cant even range find

can you put videos here?

[nimble pendant]

You have range finder

No use for it, but oh well

[rose mesa]

so you tell me AP will just fly straight as a laser, but for some reason HE is affected by gravity ten times as harsh

[nimble pendant]

Yes

As devs intended

[keen magnet]

They didnt want tank camping to keep happening yet they didnt give us tools/abilities to cqc combat. Tank is too weak against tandem, and AP round have too little damage, HE is heavy as Sh*t. Honestly i dont know what the devs want with tank.

[nimble pendant]

As if they didn't wanted them at all, but well, they are here

[analog igloo]

AP shells: 1500m/s
HE shells: 1400m/s
Drop in game be like: laser and rock throwing

wow so balanced bro

and the FCS doesn't even work

[analog igloo]

you cant even set range which is funny

[zinc sonnet]

The heck is fcsm

[analog igloo]

fire control system

[nimble pendant]

I want just simple Squad sights

[analog igloo]

whatever sights that fit the fucking drops

[rose mesa]

man why the fuck cant i drive when i get hit by another apc in my apc?

they hit me once and my thing just starts going in random directions

i got hit once when running and it made me do 5 donuts

[nimble pendant]

That's a bug

Oki knows

[drowsy estuary]

was this you ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/904059795047317624/1141369993351675964/Replay_2023-08-16_15-48-54.mp4

[rose mesa]

not me but exactly what happens to me

also for fucks sake can we get the physics fixed? i got hit by an rpg in my tank, while i was behind smoke and it nearly flipped me upside down

[rose mesa]

dawg how tf is an rpg doing more damage than an AP round

shot a tank 4 times in mine, 10 dmg

3 rpgs and im smoking

[nimble pendant]

Tank have 50% resistance hit box in the front

[rose mesa]

10 dmg is stupid

youd have to use almost all your AP just to kill another tnak

[analog igloo]

real lol

[rose mesa]

can the getting kicked out of tank when in water be removed? its such a stupid and useless feature. You hit a puddle that is slightly too deep and you get kicked out of the tank and it becomes worthless

[severe willow]

If the tank failing in water was a more gradual process it would make more sense - so you have time to react

and the depth it currently drowns at is really shallow

[rose mesa]

cant tanks go to like the turret ring

or even higher

[rich prawn]

Imagine if the us military has stocked multi million dollar MBTs that instantly die when they touch water

As long as the upward facing exhaust is above or even just below the water, it's fine for a while

[analog igloo]

Lmao bro the Abrams in game has the same speed as the T90 both forward and reverse

which is stupidly annoying

[sharp mirage]

For rear shots at least tank AP rounds do about, or a little less than, half of the damage of a tandem.

[nimble pendant]

Tandem is just OP tbh

[sharp mirage]

Fair enough. At minimum i don't think they should be handheld. They should be a turret option for humvees with only 4-5 shots total.

Or just removed from the game...

[keen magnet]

Maybe tank just Weak

[nimble pendant]

No

Tandem is too op, because it's too good for how much of them can be at the same time in game (127, technically)

[analog igloo]

well all combat vehicles are underarmored to some extents

[sharp mirage]

I would say both are correct. I'm just surprised that the devs thought "yeah, infantry using a rocket that is 2x the tank AP is balanced".

Like... It's just so silly.
And while they may have massive falloff, the engage ranges for humvees and APCs and Blackhawks put them in range due to the wild inaccuracy of the turrets.

[topaz wing]

I think the problem with tandems is that the devs wanted them to keep vehicles from being OP, but in actuality they only punish intended vehicle play and force vehicles to use cheesy farming strats even more.
Basically, you either abuse tanks to farm dozens of kills from a relatively safe sniping position near the safe zone, or you get melted trying to use a more honorable playstyle, and no in-between.

[sharp mirage]

Pretty much. When i push with infantry i can manage heats pretty ok. I always die to two people spamming tandems, or c4.

A carful tank driver with good infantry SHOULD be pretty damn hard to kill

[topaz wing]

I think a big part of the problem is Engineers being similar to Medics in basically being an Assault+ class that sacrifices little general effectiveness for what they specialize in, so players don't really have to consider sacrificing their infantry combat capabilities to do AT. If tandem engineers were weak against other infantry supporting a tank, and needed their own infantry support to be fully effective pushing against nearby infantry, the teamplay balance would be much more balanced.

[sharp mirage]

Most classes lack identity

They are too generalist

[topaz wing]

Honestly only recon and support seem like Oki had a clear idea of both upsides and downsides, while Medic and Engineer are basically boosted Assault variations and squad Leader is literally Assault but worse.

[rich prawn]

I'll be SL role if I can use the squad points with the SOFLAMs to call in CAS or something

Or give the SOFLAMs to recon and have the SL kit only able to call it in

[rose mesa]

imagine if tanks had flir so they could spot people hiding in bushes better

[rose mesa]

most classes just feel like a downgrade version of medic

[sharp mirage]

yeah... like they all can kill vehicles, they have access to all guns, for the most part they have access to the same gadgets.... the only difference is that one can heal, the other can get RPGs.

[nimble pendant]

That's something that I would like to see, coinciding with commander seat F2 removal

[rose mesa]

and honestly, a mirror button

or something to see behind you

terrain is way too weird to be able to back up

[keen magnet]

And why is that?

[nimble pendant]

Because right now, it doesn't serve it's purpose 99% of the time. Its very powerfull, but also empty feature. To use it correctyl, you need a person that can play the game, and can communicate with you fluently, which is aledy hard to find on EU and ASIA servers. Then, the commander sight gameplay is just really boring, and not incentivising to a player, you basically sit there and click 1 or 2 to make static 2d markers, which aren't really usefull, unless someone gives you more info, for example, what it is, how far, if its behind cover, etc. Marker alone doesn't give you enough info to react/prioritise it correctly, and if spammed, it is a distraction.
So basically a very important feature is not used, because it's boring, and when used, requires communication level possible only with premades. You can happen to find someone competent you can communicate with in game, but that's extremely rare, rare enough to make this feature useless in practice.

Giving driver and MG gunner thermal, time limited like FLIR scope, gives you more flexibility, and limits it use, unlike F2 seat. It also removes 3 player from the tank, which is a nerf, because otherwise 2 players could be repairing at the same time, or a player can repair tank when both driver and MG gunner are inside.

[analog igloo]

whats the point of a commander anyways he ain't got no power or control over the tanks anyways

[nimble pendant]

It's a spotter seat, without proper spotting, and relies on voice communication to be effective

So more like a podcast seat

[rose mesa]

spectator seat 😭

i think the biggest problem is the pings are only visible when you look at them

in other games they show up at the edge of your screen

and in a rather big size

[analog igloo]

dude it's a commander seat not a spotter seat, devs just dont know shit. Even if it wasn't meant to be realistic they should've thought about who would want to play that boring seat

commander should have some power over the tank

yet it doesn't

[severe willow]

They do that in this game too

[nimble pendant]

Commander seat, spotter seat, podcast seat, spectator seat, no matther what you call it, it's useless

[ocean thunder]

Is this vehicle feedback thread 2.0 now with the other one being closed for some reason

I think the spotter seat should be combined with the gunner seat personally. Let the gunner swap between firing mode and spotting mode. Spotting mode can have more zoom, flir, etc just like currently. I like being the spotter in the tank, but it's real difficult to get someone decent in that seat

[nimble pendant]

This is OG place to whine about vehicles man

Some people that were active here weren't seen for few months

[rose mesa]

never seen one at my edge of the screen

[ocean thunder]

They mean like it appears on the edge of your screen so you can turn and see 'em

Not like they literally appear on the edge of your screen

like an arrow pointing towards it

[keen magnet]

Maybe the ui colors make it less visible, iirc default tank ui hud is white. Not the best colors to see some small ping

[rose mesa]

i get that but ive never noticed them

id like if they at least made a sound

and had a bigger icon

[ocean thunder]

Oh yea, you can change the tank hud color. I forgot about that. Mine is like yellow lol

[rose mesa]

ah

id honestly prefer them in a radial setup around your screen

[keen magnet]

Keep the 3 seat config. But add m2 machine gun to commander seat. You can change if you want to use spotter things or gun blazing waiting to get snipe.

[rose mesa]

i dont know if you seen it in WoT?

[rose mesa]

you know what id love? if the commander could switch between turret control and top mg control when no one guns it

or just use any other seats camera

[ocean thunder]

See, that's way too much power now because there's 3 guns. Maybe if the guy pops out of the top?

[rose mesa]

id love to use the commander flir when i drive my tank

[ocean thunder]

basically what I suggested tbf

[rose mesa]

too much power compared to a tandem that can two shot, c4s that instantly take out a tank

a tank shouldnt be this easy to kill

[ocean thunder]

I don't think the solution to tandems and c4s is to make the tank insane

[rose mesa]

no need to make it insane

can easily make demo c4 that mainly damages buildings

and engineers keep the vehicle damaging c4

[ocean thunder]

Two people ideally can cover most direcitons already. Having the third person also able to shoot means that there are basically 0 blind spots on the tank. If and when c4 and tendems are adjusted the tank will then need to be adjusted again

[rose mesa]

i bet you 3 people wont be as strong as you think it is

[ocean thunder]

It'd be a better bandaid fix right now to just boost the health of the tank very slightly or something. Although - I haven't had the chance to BE in a tank since the recent changes because there aren't any tanks fucking anywhere

[keen magnet]

Or add hunter killer capabilities to commander seat. This hunter killer capabilities will override driver input and make the turret focus on that spotter/commander input. Ofc it need some cooldown so it cant be abused. Just like tank is squad

[ocean thunder]

because the only mode with them is conquest lol

[ocean thunder]

That sounds not fun tbh

But, I haven't played squad so maybe it works better than I think

[rose mesa]

last thing i need is my commander to make my turret do a 180

im lining up the perfect shot and boom, my guy makes me do a 90 turn to shoot at some random dude

[ocean thunder]

Yea, I still think consolidating the 3 seats into 2 would be better - or give the spotter soflam and add guided missiles into the game 😎

[rose mesa]

im of the opinion that just letting the driver control either of the seats however and whenever he wants is one of the best changes they could make

you wouldnt need to be babysat anymore

[keen magnet]

Isnt the turret on crow and main gun kinda slow. And situational awareness in tank is bad, i dont think 3 gun is that much op, most of time tank will get swarmed by infantry with somany tandem round

[rose mesa]

there is a reason tanks in battlefield have one main seat

and can be repaired from the inside

[ocean thunder]

They had 3 in bf4

[rose mesa]

yeah but main one controlled most of the tank

and you had third person

[ocean thunder]

In fact, the one in BF4 was pretty much the same as this game

[keen magnet]

Ok any new solutions then to the commander seat?

[rose mesa]

merge it with the top mg

[ocean thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-gif-23874443

[nimble pendant]

Remove, give thermal to both seats left

Give spotting and thermal to a dron

To make it something more than C4 delivery

[nimble pendant]

Are you sure?

I don't remember that at all.

Spotter seat is more likely stolen from Squad than BF

BF2042 have spotter seat, but oki didn't played it

[zinc sonnet]

spotter seat is still somewhat of a good seat, moving the turrets the main and machine gunner turrets are a pain to make a 360°.
When communication is available I ask the spotter to do regularly 360° because doing those with the other turrets is pain as I said, and its still a seat to do a full scan for enemy, most importantly a scan to avoid being sneaked up on and get C4'd.

Their removal is not a smart but giving the thermal ability to the other two gunners are still a good thing, because you are not relying on the spotter because it has thermal.

Their removal would be maybe a bit of a nerf to people who communicate in a tank, where the spotter does this strategy.

[ocean thunder]

Yea, that's why I suggested combining it into the mg seat. It's a helpful seat when it's used, but I find myself having to jump between the seats as a second in the tank pretty often

[zinc sonnet]

Yeah I had the same idea, I was just opposing Drew's raw opinion on removing it

[ocean thunder]

Yea. I'm opposed to giving thermals to any seat with a gun

I played bf4, it's not fun when all vehicles have thermals lol

Suggestion for the LB and other helicopters passenger seat. Give them a thermal camera they can look through on the bottom of the heli

That way they can play like a spotter in the tank. Give them something to do

If you're worried about it being too strong, make the camera shootable

[zinc sonnet]

on helis there could be a spot light lmao, or a spot light that is IR

[ocean thunder]

That'd be pretty cool af

A blinding spotlight up close at night

[zinc sonnet]

or IR or normal laser to blind tank or other digital cameras

[nimble pendant]

I mean, it IS a good seat and quite powerful tool. But no one is using it to be honest. Or at least vast majority. And its not only Battlebit problem, BF2042 and Squad also struggle with that. In Squad it's rarely used seat, and in BF2042 player that is using it is always first to bail out, basically using it as taxi.

It's just fundamentally flawed gameplay loop, with no incentives and rewards for extreme majority

And I don't think it can be improved upon, because whole idea is just boring in comparison to anything that FPS games offer. At this point it's not player preferences for gameplay, but just objectivly bad design for genre.

[zinc sonnet]

I mean if you go alone and you don't have a trio organised then yes it can be a bit of a down side.
The rate you get a good spotter is 1/3 rare, though the majority just doesn't know what that role do or should do and gets overwhelmed and gets out, or the role has no pew pew making the spotter a bit boring.

What Lostmixup said is somewhat good and what my thought was that it could have gun.

by getting another gunner could go 3 ways.

The spotter gets turret that is built into the spotter seat and it can see in Flir mode while shoot an MG.

The spotter could switch between two positions within the seat which is spotting, and supporting with either an M2 or a digital cam-viewed mg turret.

The F2 and F3 seat bleeds into one seat, a 7m that can switch between spotter flir and gunner normal view, or it has flir all the time.
And F3 seat the new MG will be an open hatch M2.

If mg would be not a good idea then other things still could be given to the spotter to make it less boring and more interesting.

Two 7Ms would look weird.

Removing the role would be a nerf to organised tank people.

[nimble pendant]

The fact that you need an organised crew to use spotter seat efficiently is too much of a requirement

Amd lack of pew pew is a big downside to it, monkeys like pew pew

[zinc sonnet]

I mean you can still pray to Allah to give a good spotter to you.
Or if a guy stuck inside the role and you teach him what the hell to do with it, asking him to make 360°s is still an option.
The role isn't neccesarily bind to an organised full 3 crew.

Only 2 people can use it one person stays F1 the other switches regularly between F2 and F3, that works too.

Having all the three person organised is not forced but it gives a lot of convinience.

[nimble pendant]

I wouldn't see it as a big problem if it wasn't hogging thermal. This very needed feature is not used correctly 99% of the time.

And I will trade spotter seat for it without a hesetation

[zinc sonnet]

"Hogging thermal"? please elaborate.

[nimble pendant]

Keeping to yourself, so no one else can have it/taking more than you are supposed to

[zinc sonnet]

thanks

[analog igloo]

vehicles having no thermal is laughable

players are acting as if it will give vehicle players wallhack or something

[nimble pendant]

When they themselfs alredy have wallhack in form of 3d spot

And thermal is blocked by foliage/vegetation and smoke.

There is counter to thermal alredy lol

[ocean thunder]

I would only give spotter a gun if they could be shot out while using the gun

Otherwise, 3 guns is too much coverage

To balance 3 guns the spotter gun would have to have like no ammo (would suck), do no damage (sucks), or somehow be super vulnerable (not the worst)

[zinc sonnet]

Spotter with m2 to change.
And not a lot of ammo, so they have to use it in danger

[analog igloo]

yeah no if we're going realistic remove RWS from T90A

if we're going for casual experiences please add stabilization for RWS

[rose mesa]

i still think allowing the driver to use any of the seats while still controlling the tank is the best QoL improvement. add like a half second or one second transition

if i had a dollar for every time i was in a tank, we take one single rocket and the guy that was in the spotter / mg seat just bails out i would probably afford a mansion