I didn't see this gun get used much and I don't understand why did it get nerfed. Imo gun was balanced, 35dmg but hard recoil, 24 bullets magazine and big reload time. I rarely got killed by this gun or even see somebody use it. But now damage change to 32 with bad armor damage with reload speed of 3.76. This gun became so useless, even thou you get this weapon at rank 40 its complete trash. Would like to hear others opinion on this. Used to be my favorite gun with 5000 kills on it but now I don't know which gun to use. It seems like everything's trash. I don't know why they did that, so it can be more noob friendly game?
#Honey Badger
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This scares me ):
The weird thing about the nerfs to Honey badger and Val is that they are now just objectively worse than the Vector, and that didn't get touched at all.
Worse TTK, worse recoil, less ammo per mag (and able to kill less total enemies per magazine)
I think it's alright.
But I abused Val/HB for too long.
It's fun not feeling oppressed into using them anymore, for CQC that is.
Maybe its just me, but it seems like the majority of complaints about the Val and HB nerfs are from people that just used it because it was objectively too good and now they're back to being a normal gamer...
I abused the Val for a few games, got bored and went back to my normal loadouts. I think the nerf is fine. There was no reason a subsonic carbine was dealing more damage than most of the AR's. The recoil change might have been a bit much though.
Also, OP the HB was the exact same gun as the Val aside from the reload speed. It was 1.13 seconds longer to reload than the Val
Lets be real, that's the case.
There's no reason to complain about it, besides it being your sole carry.
Because taking away the OBVIOUS choice only makes the game more fun.
Agreed.
Dragged a rando into this. 
Oh i didnt even select a person hahaha my bad.
Gone 5eva
Maybe he has an opinion on the nerfs, you don't know.

But yeah, overall I got over 5K kills with Val.
Not missing it tho.
Taking it was more of a necessity at that point.
Lets put this into simple terms
The ASVAL and the HoneyBadger both had a TTK of 0.15
This TTK was held out to 110m (70m-110m 0.22 TTK)
These weapons both come standard with a suppressor
These weapons were highly effective outside their intended ranges
These weapons invalidated most weapons
These weapons were unlocked fairly fast
Thats why these guns got nerfed, they were the fastest TTK weapons in the game, and could very easily be used at med ranges with better effectiveness than assault rifles. Once a player unlocked these weapons, that was their main weapons from that point. How many times last playtest did you die to a SG553? PP2000? UMP? FAMAS? G36? The point is, people had little reason to not use the VAL/HB/Vector. You have a couple of power weapons, and then you had THE power weapons. It hurt you to not use these weapons. We are talking 0.05ms faster than the vector, 0.12ms faster than the FAMAS (ALMOST TWICE AS SLOW), 0.21ms faster than the AUGA3 (For every 1 AUG kill, you could get 2 VAL kills in the same amount of time).
