Transport Helo's Should not be 1 shot killed.

[livid atlas]

If a large transport vehicle can be 1 shot killed by any bill bob or dick with an rpg (Engi is the most used class btw) It makes using the helo as a transport an inherently bad idea. If you have to roll dice everytime you fly low and slow for people to jump out no one will use helos expect vehicle wasters. It just makes them a free 8 ticket gamble every 5 minutes. This is not good.

[delicate mesa]

And what proof do you have that engi is the most used class?

[livid atlas]

Irrelevant to this discussion. If you want proof go read other peoples post talking about.

[sick glen]

Your post is an outright lie with the "one shot" statement and "engi is the most used class" statement.

[livid atlas]

Lie? I was 1 shot by an rpg last night. In what way is this a lie?

[sick glen]

Only the tandem can oneshot

[delicate mesa]

Lool
Engi isn’t even the most used class
(Once you see the most used class you’ll cry)
The helo can take 2-3 rockets depending on the launcher
1 if it’s a tandem but that thing falls down limp a limp noodle

[sick glen]

good luck trying to hit a moving heli with a tandem

[livid atlas]

A tandem should not 1 shot. And i was 1 shot by a heat. So youre just wrong.

[sick glen]

I can throw a rock farther than the tandem can fly

[delicate mesa]

^

Not even a tank can one shot the heli

[sick glen]

why should it not? Have you tried hitting a heli with a tandem?
And no, the heat doesn't one-shot, not even the tank can

[livid atlas]

Transports have to go slow for drops and pick ups. They are easy targets. They should not be 1 shot killed by anything.

[delicate mesa]

If your fast/fly semi high
You won’t get hit by tandems

[sick glen]

They don't need to go slow

[delicate mesa]

You don’t need to land ever

[sick glen]

only for pickups, and you don't pick up your team amidst the enemies

[delicate mesa]

Let me get on my pc 1 sec

[livid atlas]

If they get 1 shot by anything at all it makes them pointless.

[sick glen]

why?

[livid atlas]

I was 1 shot by a heat rpg 3 times last night so you are simply wrong.

[sick glen]

you, you're wrong lmao

[delicate mesa]

^

[sick glen]

the heat can't one-shot

[delicate mesa]

2-3 for heat depending on where you hit

[livid atlas]

It makes it a large slow free 8 tick kill.

[livid atlas]

It did.

[sick glen]

Then don't fly low/stand still with it

[delicate mesa]

you can get a once shot on the tail
but then you get a crash animation type thing

[sick glen]

I am certain it didn't

[delicate mesa]

with the heli
you never need to land
use the rope (q)
and tell your team to get ready to drop
then they all jump off themselves

[sick glen]

You can be damaged by literally anything on the ground, lowering your hp enough for a heat to finish you off

that's not a "one-shot"

[livid atlas]

Do you not understand the concept of transporting complete Randoms? this isnt some coordinated seal team 6 hot drops.

[sick glen]

And why are your trusting a random with your life?

[delicate mesa]

they get mad and leave at some point

keep the rope out and theyll jump out at some point

[sick glen]

I don't get on any helicopter cuz I know a lot of ppl can't fly them

[delicate mesa]

^

[livid atlas]

My full hp freashly spawned helo was 1 shot by heat rpgs 3 times last night.

[sick glen]

show me a video

[delicate mesa]

it doesnt one shot xD

[sick glen]

cuz that should not happen at all

[delicate mesa]

naro
you know what to do later lol

[livid atlas]

I dont record every time i game sorry xD

[sick glen]

Then I can only assume you're lying

[delicate mesa]

yep
now we know what we gotta do lol

[livid atlas]

You assume whatever you want. Nothing in the game should 1 shot a transport helo. At all. It makes them pointless to fly.

[delicate mesa]

the only transport heli that can be oneshot from my understanding is the transport little bird (yes theres a transport littlebird)

again
the normal blackhawk/KA60
will not be one shotted at all

if you hit a tail
you get a crash animation
if you get hit by a heat
you get knocked back

[livid atlas]

I was 1 shot by a heat rpg 3 times last night. Call it a bug for all i care, it should not happen.

[sick glen]

If you're "flying" a heli, nothing should one-shot you anyways

[delicate mesa]

most likely multiple people shot at you during your landing

bullets do dmg too

so you probably took alot of shots
tried landing
got hit by a rocket before you healed at spawn

heat will NOT ONE SHOT

tandems will one shot
but good luck hitting anything past 25m

[livid atlas]

Only one sound and then an explosion, not any bullet pings, not multiple explosions. a single explosion and a screen showing a guy with a heat. It shouldnt happen.

[delicate mesa]

then get a clip next test in a few hours if possible

[livid atlas]

If im not at work sure ill try.

[sick glen]

It shouldn't one shot.
But now where's the recording?
I've seen so many ppl saying the kind of thing that you say, accusing others and the devs and saying "x" mechanic is stupid, only to get a clip that just shows them being absolute garbage at the game and misjudging the entire situation.
That's why I'm assuming that you're either lying or just skill issue

[delicate mesa]

we'll also test it
but it doesnt 1 shot i can tell you that much

[outer swan]

"u need 2 fly low and slow"
this guy thinks we're playing arma lmfao

drop ropes and just let people drip off like hot wax as you swoop past a building

if you're hovering at a point like a moron you deserve to catch an rpg and die, if anything helicopters are too tanky

[livid atlas]

Youre assuming im bad instead of engaging with the topic. The topic is plain and simply a transport helo should not be 1 shot killed. By anything. Tandom or otherwise. 1 shot an attack helo? Sure! Snipe the pilot out? go for it! Any random engi player 1 shoting a helo trying to pick up or drop in a supposedly "safe" location? hell the fuck no. 1 time i got rocketed literally as i was leaving spawn at full speed. We owned the obj that the fucker was hiding in. This is not fun.

[outer swan]

vehiclebabbies suffering makes my dick hard but helicopters are basically invincible at the moment lmfao

you have to fly like an absolute idiot to die in one, I know because I frequently do 😎

they're transport vehicles
pick up dudes, drop them off, leave

if you're pretending to be a gunship you deserve to blow up

[tardy sluice]

🗿

[livid atlas]

Im not saying they should be invincible im simply saying it should take more then 1 source of damage.

[sick glen]

Yes, I'm assuming you're bad cuz you're saying something that should NOT happen, happened, but you have no video proof and decided to make a whole forum post dedicated to your isolated incidents which we have no clue about being real or not.
Also, it's funny you you say "sniping the pilot is fine" but getting the kill with a tandem is not, even though the tandem is considerably harder to hit than a sniper to the pilot lmao

[delicate mesa]

this "feedback" is pretty useless tbh

[bronze solstice]

you know helis take like 3 RPG shots before they die right

especially if you have an engineer in the helicopter

you can probably double that

[outer swan]

whoaoaahh the slowest most difficult rpg specifically designed for high damage and high skill floor does more damage 🤯

[bronze solstice]

and who tf is hitting tandem rounds on a heli

why would you waste your tandies on a helicopter

[livid atlas]

Sniping the pilot is 1 ticket versus an rpg being a free 8 tickets and a dead vehicle with a 5 minute timer. Sniping the pilot is significantly less impacting then getting a free helo kill.

[delicate mesa]

weve already said the heat/frag cannot one shot a heli
unless it hits the tail (which you get a crash animation not die)
a tandem will one shot but no one will aim it in the sky since they barley go anywhere past 25m (see the drop in the shooting range)
please if there is an ACTUAL issue record it with detailing the bug

[livid atlas]

Last night i was 1 shot 3 times by heat rpgs.

[sick glen]

I do that to pilots that dare to try and ram me with their helis.
Or pilots that stay still in the middle of the map

[outer swan]

[X] doubt

[hoary token]

incorrect if you hit the tail rotor

[unreal perch]

are you sure you werent just already damaged when they shot you?

[sick glen]

Yeah, but hitting the tandem is more than 8x harder

[hoary token]

tail rotor shot is instant death

[livid atlas]

Full health fresh spawned helo.

[woeful blade]

plus you have to be within 100~ metres

[sick glen]

It doesn't one-shot, it downs the heli and damages everyone, but it doesn't kill

[obtuse grail]

did they hit your rotor? Cause otherwise there is LITERALLY no way to kill a heli in 1 shot with heat besides hitting the rotor.

[tardy sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038535809923559599/1038658844689190983/caption-1-1.gif

[hoary token]

so destroying the vehicle in 1 hit isnt one shotting?

[unreal perch]

then it was just a tandem

[sick glen]

even a tail shot doesn't destroy the heli

[unreal perch]

or tail rotor shot

[sick glen]

it doesn't destroy the heli, it crashes the heli

[obtuse grail]

it downs it, but i guess people would count that as a "one-shot"

[livid atlas]

It should not 1 shot. 90% damage? crippled and barely moving? sure. Not instant death.

[tardy sluice]

@livid atlas

[outer swan]

*dies to a tandem in a helicopter*
waaaaah nerf rpgs!!!

[hoary token]

Rendering it useless and inoperable.

[tardy sluice]

why

dyno

fuck u

[outer swan]

LMAO

[sick glen]

and netting you 0 kills

and no "vehicle destroyed" points

[hoary token]

is op referring to dieing or just the heli getting destroyed?

[outer swan]

helicopters should be easier to destroy, not harder

[bronze solstice]

hell fucking now

no

[delicate mesa]

hes mad cuz "RPG's one shot heli's" xD

[sick glen]

he's referring to "easy 8 kills in one rocket", which doesn't happen if you hit the tail rotor

[bronze solstice]

are you crazy helis are RPG magnets

[obtuse grail]

put angled armour on helis, ez fix

[outer swan]

good fuck helicopters lmao

[livid atlas]

I was killed by heat rpgs according to the card when you die.

[hoary token]

Tandems will one shot but their range is absolute shit, you have to be in some dumb positioning to get hit by one

[delicate mesa]

then the heli was already damaged

[unreal perch]

well you were already damaged then cus thats literally not possible

[tardy sluice]

@livid atlas do u like dreamybull

[obtuse grail]

^

[bronze solstice]

literal potato rocket

[sick glen]

if it can deal 88 damage to a tank, why should it not one-shot a heli?
It's easier to hit a moving heli with the heat than a fucking tank with the tandem ffks

[outer swan]

"whoaaa these helicopters add so much to the game"

every match is just a bunch of circlecapping, whoa so powerful

[delicate mesa]

and is this the TRANSPORT LITTLEBIRD
or the TRANSPORT BLACKHAWK/KA60
very important to know

[bronze solstice]

true

[bronze solstice]

literally the whole argument

[tardy sluice]

[hoary token]

You can take a HEAT round or two, its not a death sentence

[delicate mesa]

[obtuse grail]

[bronze solstice]

[sick glen]

This dude never used the tandem, otherwise he wouldn't be whining

[tardy sluice]

literal nedgi moment

[delicate mesa]

yeah weve explained it to him in circles like 5 times already

[tardy sluice]

he blocked me

LOL

[livid atlas]

Because its bad game mechanic? This is not "the real world" shit doesnt have to make sense. If transport helos can be 1 shot they are more risk then they are worth to fly.

[outer swan]

inb4 he actually meant the scout helo

god that would be funny

[sick glen]

In "the real world" tandems don't even deal extra damage, wtf are you on about

[livid atlas]

Yall keep saying this but i was 1 shot killed by heat rpgs

[tardy sluice]

@livid atlas y u so mad

[outer swan]

"hmmm why is this little piece of shit not rpg-resistant???"

[obtuse grail]

ok which heli were you using? Was it the littlebird or the blackhawk?

[delicate mesa]

ok this thread should be closed at this point

[tardy sluice]

cant react since he blocked me

[bronze solstice]

it's not possible it's literally not possible

what heli were you using

[livid atlas]

Blackhawk

[outer swan]

gahahahaha

[bronze solstice]

you're literally lying

[outer swan]

this guy man

[bronze solstice]

because BHs cannot be one shot by heat

[sick glen]

If you get hit by a tandem it's either you being extremely bad or the guy that shot you won the lottery

[hoary token]

If you got one shot by an RPG you were already critically damaged, or you were in poor positioning where a tandem round could reach you.

[livid atlas]

Im not. I was killed in 1 heat rpg 3 times last night.

[outer swan]

hahah yeah he blocked me too

[tardy sluice]

tbf he blocked me for being annoying

but you didnt do shit 💀

[outer swan]

what an absolute NUMPTY

[tardy sluice]

you just argued with him

[delicate mesa]

nedgi 2.0?

[sick glen]

Truly a Nedgi moment

[tardy sluice]

hes actually nedgi

omg

[bronze solstice]

it's just not possible bro 😭 you cannot one shot a heli with heat unless you hit the tail rotor

[tardy sluice]

[bronze solstice]

and that's a skill shot

[sick glen]

6.0

[delicate mesa]

just wait for him to block a mod now xD

[tardy sluice]

yep

lmfao

[outer swan]

holy shit this is hysterical

[livid atlas]

But it did one shot me from full health. Thats what happened.

[hoary token]

It was a tandem round, I have eaten 2 HEAT rounds. You can tell its HEAT because your fucking heli gets yeeted into the air after taking one.

[bronze solstice]

you should clip these things next time

[bronze solstice]

yep

[livid atlas]

Well the death card that says what killed you read HEAT so idk what to tell you.

[delicate mesa]

but ok
THIS THREAD SHOULD BE CLOSED NOW
you got your feedback and you didnt listen to it and kept the community going in circle

[sick glen]

Again, we need proof of that, otherwise this can be boiled down to simply "bitching"

[livid atlas]

I do not currently have proof. Next time a playtest is available to me ill record the whole thing just for you.

[worldly needle]

shit thread.

[hoary token]

If it was truly HEAT then your heli was low enough health that the damaged was enough to destroy the heli. You cannot see the heli health as the pilot unless you are back at base repairing.

[sick glen]

Take the opportunity and post it in #game-bugs

[delicate mesa]

clearly not game design but a bug if it did happen

[livid atlas]

Fresh spawned helo with no sounds or indication of having taken damage or even being shot at, so unless they just lose health to air i was at full when i was shot.

[tardy sluice]

`send cats in here

[delicate mesa]

THEN
its
a
BUG

[tardy sluice]

i dont know how people are so ignorant 💀

[sick glen]

stubborn

[livid atlas]

It could have been a bug. Considering how adamant yall are im sure it was a bug, maybe lag or frame rate or who knows something just could have gone wrong. But it still happened.

[obtuse grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shocked-woah-gif-26558267

[delicate mesa]

well there used to be a bug where if you lagged (300+ ping) you would hit an invisible wall and blow up out of nowhere

[unreal perch]

did you screenshot it

[delicate mesa]

but oki patched that awhile ago

we'll test the heli this playtest and see if we can find the issue

[sick glen]

I won't

[livid atlas]

No i didnt know it wasnt supposed to happen, it didnt seem worth screenshotting at the time.

[delicate mesa]

NARO

i will grab the whip

[unreal perch]

sus

[obtuse grail]

femboy abuser

[sick glen]

[tardy sluice]

.

[delicate mesa]

oh god

i regret saying that now

[tardy sluice]

💀

[obtuse grail]

if only i had mod here...

[livid atlas]

Could yall meme somewhere else?

[tardy sluice]

Skill issue

[sick glen]

Wym? This thread is a meme

[livid atlas]

Anyone else wanna get blocked for being toxic?

any volunteers?

[sick glen]

Literally Nedgi 6.0 @delicate mesa he blocked me

Inertia 3 lesgoooo

[obtuse grail]

just left for him to block a mod

[unreal perch]

how is anyone being toxic?

[worldly needle]

what do u think they are acting like this in the first place?

[livid atlas]

Bro do you not read the chat? this is toxic as fuck. Fuck me for having an opinion in a game. how dare i.

[hoary token]

this was a thing in the past, maybe its a bug again? Probably not

[unreal perch]

it isnt though

people are literally just telling you facts

[outer swan]

um sweetie they're hate facts ok

(they're hate facts because I don't like them)

[livid atlas]

Possibly or could be a bug with the death card, or maybe i lagged at just the right moment so when multiple things hit me it came through as only 1 thing.

I simply dont believe a transport helo should be able to be 1 shot by anything. Tandom or otherwise. I dont care how "bad" the tandom is it shouldnt 1 shot a transport helo. This is my only discussion.

[sick glen]

He might as well be against snipers one-shotting cuz that's not nice even if it needs skill to pull off and can be avoided

[obtuse grail]

ah yes, how dare we tell him that the heat cannot one shot a blackhawk and also the fact that it is literally impossible to hit a tandem unless you actually have skill issue as a pilot, we are so toxic....

[worldly needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-frog-meditate-together-relax-gif-3550687

[unreal perch]

also how do you know that it was one shot

[delicate mesa]

this thread should be closed by now lol

[hoary token]

Have you personally shot a tandem round? the things smacks the ground if your target is past like 200m

[livid atlas]

Because nothing had hit me up to that point?

[unreal perch]

how do you know you werent hit

[tardy sluice]

he blocked me ball and wavefront 💀

[sick glen]

And you shoot at the sky

[sick glen]

and me

[livid atlas]

I use them against tanks all the time. Ive even shot down helos myself its really not that hard.

[livid atlas]

Sound?

[young terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/88090800226865152/1039229741569421462/blinky.gif

[high ore]

Am i really seeing 240 messages of arguing about if rocket oneshot Blackhawks?

[true island]

inertia 2.0?

[sick glen]

lock the thread, it's suggesting something based on literal lies lmao

[obtuse grail]

perseus rn

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/328817840025108484/1080277862445228072/Brain-damage.gif

[bronze solstice]

giv eus king of the hill rn

[true island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/88090800226865152/1039229741569421462/blinky.gif

dont lock it

[worldly needle]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-no-cat-on-leash-taking-my-cat-for-a-walk-gif-8648448

[unreal perch]

well you are literally just lying out if your ass then cus theres no possible way you got one shot

[sick glen]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-w-arknights-arknights-gif-24049343

[worldly needle]

only i can oneshot heli

[unreal perch]

i think that you're just annoyed that you got shot down

[sick glen]

We got a meme thread, boys

[livid atlas]

I was 1 shot according to the game by someone with a heat rpg 3 times last night.

[livid atlas]

Im very annoyed that i was 1 shot you are correct.

[true island]

That's straight up lies

If you have ever use engi, you'll realise how bad tandems are

[mystic sail]

God, people really hate vehicles here

[unreal perch]

i quite like them imo

[high ore]

I can't even... even a tank shell to the face can't oneshot that behemoth, and you think a measly heat will kill it? Unless tail rotor is hit that fat helli will stay in the air and even thank you for the speed boost (only tandem can oneshot it, but tandem has no range)

[mystic sail]

So you are in very small minority

[sick glen]

"Engineers are the most used class"
"Anyone can one-shot it"
"Every 5 minutes"

[sick glen]

I love vehicles and I love using vehicles and I love destroying vehicles and hate those who use them

[outer swan]

*hovers above capture point with known enemy infantry on it*
*dies immediately*
omg nerf tandem it should NOT oneshot choppers!!!

[steady zephyr]

lmao ur lucky ir tracking rockets havent been added yet

[outer swan]

so true

[livid atlas]

As many people have already said as much, I do not know why a heat 1 shot me but it did. Call it a bug call it a cheater, i dont care what you call it as it has literally nothing to do with the discussion.

A transport helo should not be 1 shot by anything.

[sick glen]

Not even a Nuke 😱

[true island]

you're gaslighting yourself

[livid atlas]

With how flat the maps are it would make helos pointless. depending on their range.

[delicate mesa]

then its a bug and should be reported to #game-bugs
not in the feedback

[unreal perch]

there is no way you arent lying

[delicate mesa]

since its not consistently a 1 shot and is a glitch

[steady zephyr]

when helicopters have counters😱 😱 😭 😭

[livid atlas]

Are you just going to keep calling me lier over and over and over like a broken record?

[true island]

yes

[unreal perch]

well you have no proof to back up your claim so, i think you are lying yes

[outer swan]

yes

[sick glen]

He's like those dudes that say the enemies are using god-mode, then post a clip of themselves missing every single shot.

[delicate mesa]

no offense but your doing the same thing
weve told you multiple reasons as to why it may have happened
and said it wasnt by design

[outer swan]

oh fuck do you remember that guy with the m14 clip

[livid atlas]

As you have already said... multiple times. Its been noted. If you dont want to discus the topic kindly piss offf.

[sick glen]

I remember one dude saying something like that lmao

[sick glen]

You're the one repeating the same pointless thing over and over again

[mystic sail]

That's the third time I see someone stating that they hate vehicles/players using them. Yet they still are very vocal in discussions. In negative way

[worldly needle]

this thread very nostalgic.

[delicate mesa]

the heli should take 2-3 RPG's depending on where you hit
tandem will be one shot but again you cant really shoot heli's in the sky unless theyre flying low/hover low (tandem drops quickly compared to hear/frag)

if you got hit in the tail rotor then you get a crash animation
that is the only time the RPG should one shot a transport heli

[mystic sail]

I can't wait for community servers so all this people will avoid conquest like fire

[worldly needle]

go get some woods for me

[high ore]

As we said multiple times, it can't be oneshot by anything in the game but tandem rocket (well there is also tail rotor hit, but that is unlikely). And tandem rocket should be able to oneshot it because it has such a small range. And if you did get oneshot by heat with full health then it probably was a bug and will get fixed.

[outer swan]

hahaha here we go https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1069010879397498891

[sick glen]

What I mean by "I hate those who play vehicles" is that I hunt them down when given the chance

[sick glen]

[livid atlas]

I dont think a tandem should 1 shot a transport helo. A full helo. This is the topic. Nothing else in your paragraph matters to this discussion.

[sick glen]

I remember seeing a guy complaining that enemies killed him way too fast, but then he posted a video of 2 dudes shooting at him while he missed his shots and then called them "cheaters"

[mystic sail]

Not to sound offensive but people with that mindset should just play COD

[sick glen]

what kind of mindset?

I'm confused

[hoary token]

imho the heli health pool could be even lowered. Its not a tank, but to counter it should be more speedy/maneuverable

[outer swan]

they should be far more fragile

[tardy sluice]

yep

[outer swan]

the scout chopper is in a good place tbh

[mystic sail]

Not liking/hating vehicles and players using them

[outer swan]

but the flight model is still lmao

[sick glen]

I can get behind this, but it's not like it would change much besides making transportation faster and possibly overpowered.

[outer swan]

powerful!

[steady zephyr]

give whoever managed to shoot you out the sky with a tandem a medal

[hoary token]

If it eats a tank round it should be gg, but I should be able to out maneuver tank shots as a good pilot.

[livid atlas]

Im not against it having lower health in total i dont think they should be difficult to kill. It just should have a damage clamp or a health gate where it cant lose more then idk 80% of its health form 1 instance of damage.

[sick glen]

And why did you refer to me in regard to that mindset when I said I love vehicles?

[high ore]

Why not? It is extremely low range, and can be shot reliably only on stationary targets within like 100m-ish range. Therefor if pilot managed to get in that range, then hover in spot for some reason it is pilots fault for doing something like that.

[livid atlas]

There isnt enough cover to hide in the maps for this.

[outer swan]

if only helicopters were able to rise from ground level somehow

like, to fly above the maximum inclination of a tank cannon

that would be so sick, oh well never gonna happen I guess

[hoary token]

this should be a thing

but I should also have the speed to make this rather difficult

[high ore]

In hardcore - yes, but in casual vehicles are quite useless as is.

(probably should clarify that i'm talking about transport vehicles)

[hoary token]

Yup I agree it seems most are just glorified troop carriers

[mystic sail]

At best you arw sending mixed signals. Sorry if you fell personally attacked

[livid atlas]

Why not? Because a pilot shouldnt be forced to fly "fast" in a "casual" battlefield inspired game. If the pilot needs to land or go slowly for a pick up or drop off they should have that option. If the pilot lands "hot" and eats multiple rockets or grenades' they should be punished. but im talking picking up blueberries in my spawn obj, supposedly a completely safe location with no fighting happening and some random just peaks out a window and one shots a 5 minute respawn vehicle all by himself? i dont think this should be allowed. I believe that 1 shotting helos makes transport specifically pointless. Youre just wasting tickets.

[livid atlas]

See i want more battlefield less arma/squad. This should be a more casual game not a more tactile game.

[true island]

[outer swan]

"hm yes someone who decides to lurk and defend against a possible chopper insertion or extraction in an unexpected place should be punished because I don't like dying to a weapon that is difficult to use"

[high ore]

It will be after early access, currently it's a mix of two for testing purposes

[outer swan]

I've got two clips of absolute moron pilots taking impossibly stupid risks and paying the price due to a tandem being in the right place at the right time, this is exactly how it should be

[hoary token]

Helis should be punished for slow low flying or hovering stationary. But they should offer the speed and maneuverability for good pilots to do fast low flying without being swatted down easily. Speed/ and moving should be the main method of surviving. But in their current state they are too sluggish to do a super fast fly by and pepper some infantry with the guns.

Lower their health, buff their speed/momentum

[outer swan]

yup

[livid atlas]

For an attack helo i would agree with this. Just not a transport.

[hoary token]

Half the fun, is doing strafes on wakistan bridge, helping your infantry push across. But I feel like I cant effectively speed by the bridge low enough to be effective. The speed just is not there.

[high ore]

Spawn area is protected, so that situation won't happen anyway. And you are not forced to fly fast if you don't want to, but then you should not try and get people right in the middle of enemy objective either. Your blueberries have legs you know, and they can in fact walk those 300m

[livid atlas]

I was talking about the objective closest to spawn not the spawn itself.

[high ore]

If someone managed to sneak past your whole team and get within 100m of the helli to hit it with tandem, that man should get a medal and not be punished for it for some reason.

[livid atlas]

But I was shot in my own player controlled supposedly safe obj. And just bam 1 guy 1 rocket and 8 tickets and a 5 minute vehicle wasted.

[outer swan]

sounds like you met a good player

smart guy

[sick glen]

and he circled back to somehow being one-shot by a heat where a tandem would never hit

Very productive thread

[livid atlas]

I disagree. I mean if there were 2 of them? sure. But 1 person? i dont think they should get "free" kills like that. Also sneaking past the entire enemy team is quite easy i do it in every session.

[outer swan]

"free"

they were only free because you were flying like an idiot

imagine picking up seven or eight guys that can't even secure the area

sad!

[high ore]

Again, if the whole squad of people managed to miss some random dude that hid at the objective and let him get in range to hit that shot, it's probably their problem to begin with.

Also objective has that interesting property of alerting of enemy presence

[livid atlas]

I mean in a game with no minimap at an objective that to the best of their knowledge has no enemy you shouldnt expect blueberries to scour every nook and cranny. Now if that random dude had a squad that he was working together with to take down a helo with multiple rockets, i think that is completely fair game. I feel as if they earned that. But some random guy just hiding on a obj with a tandem listening for rotors shouldnt be rewarded nearly as much as it is. I mean i do think the helo should be hurt, even mobility crippled (think like 33% speed), It just shouldnt be 1 shot killed. The helo can turn around and limp back over to the repair station. It delays that whole transport of troops. For a solo i think that is enough of a reward.

[high ore]

No points earned - means no reward in the average player perspective. So from the perspective of that player it would seem like they got punished for trying to be smart.

[tardy sluice]

this is still going on???

[high ore]

kinda

[livid atlas]

I dont thinks its trying to be smart i see it as trying to farm free kills xD and they should get damage score still, 1 damage = 1 score i would think? + like 30 or 40 for a "mobility" hit. So if the rocket did 80 dmg for example with a mobility hit it would be 110-120 score.

If they want more score i think they should have to attack non transport vehicles or work as a squad to take down a transport helo. It shouldn't just be a free kill.

[high ore]

Farm kills? In amount of time it takes to get to that position that same player can get twice as many kills. And also one kill gets you 200 points so that amount of points would be very low.

[livid atlas]

Fighting on the frontlines is alot harder then just sneaking over to the enemy spawn obj and pulling out an rpg. Its farming free kills. And again i think the score should be low enough to discourage this behavior. I obviously dont want it to be common.

[high ore]

Hm, i don't think that conversation is going anywhere. Maybe you should try getting in that exact situation on the opposing side (as that engineer) and seeing for yourself if is really that easy or they actually put effort into it.

[livid atlas]

I do. Its easy. Helos are a joke to kill. Although the moment i unlocked tandem ive been using it exclusively. I didnt know until today that supposedly heats dont 1 shot helos thats news to me.

[high ore]

Probably a good time to also say, that i'm actually a helli pilot myself and even think that their survivability should be nerfed. Littlebirds are fine, but blackhawk is a flying tank, also would feel better to have fast and not sluggish hellis

[livid atlas]

Also i do have a squad, so if it takes 2 rockets to kill a helo my bro would just shoot it with me. Exactly what i said should be rewarded.

[high ore]

Although respawn times are quite high for them i agree

[livid atlas]

Im not saying the blackhawk should have a shit load of health im completely fine with lowering its health even, i just dont think it should be one shot. That is my one and only complaint.

[outer swan]

I think they should be oneshot

[mystic sail]

Clearly unbiased opinion

[outer swan]

why would it be biased?

what, did a helicopter murder my children or something?

[mystic sail]

Because you at least two times clearly expressed your dislike of vehicles

[outer swan]

yeah? and?

[mystic sail]

nothing, just saying

[outer swan]

helicopters have the unique ability to traverse the entire map in under a minute carrying 10 people with them

regardless of any kind of obstacle, player or terrain

they can simply climb to an altitude where they are completely impervious to any sort of attack other than from enemy helicopters

[mystic sail]

yeah, that's what aircrafts tend to do

nothing new here

[hoary token]

LOL

[outer swan]

the fact that the transport helicopter is as tanky as it is is a complete travesty taking all these things into account

as ghost pointed out, a helicopters defenses should be speed and maneuverability, not the ability to casually soak up high explosives like it's nothing

[dusk copper]

True.

[outer swan]

even putting the realism argument entirely aside (yeah bro blackhawks tanking multiple rpgs bro) because as we know BB is not aiming for realism, the fact that helicopters have no appreciable weaknesses if used for their intended purpose is pretty strange

if you're flying it like a gunship yeah it's not very effective because the guns are awful and you're exposing yourself to return fire

but if you're using the chopper as intended, to transport infantry to and from remote locations, bringing one down is essentially pure luck unless the guy flying it is braindead

(or a larper but that's the same thing)

[crisp lance]

holy shit what a read , damn

[lament meadow]

you can't oneshot heli.
I'm playing heavy heli most of the time and had like 2-3 oneshots (probably because bad luck and my own stupidity). Actually heavy heli is pretty strong and it takes a lot of time to kill one, even with rpg.

[livid atlas]

You absolutely can one shot the transport helo.

[lament meadow]

tandem only

[livid atlas]

So everyone keeps saying, but if you want to have this argument once more please just read up.

[crisp lance]

bruh how is this thread not closed

[livid atlas]

Because it an actual honest opinion? how is the feedback channel the most toxic place in this discord?

[lament meadow]

dude, like i said i'm mostly pilot. And i think it's fine that tandem can oneshot heli. In my opinion if you got shot by tandem it's mostly pilot's problem

[livid atlas]

I disagree.

[crisp lance]

it’s wrong tho , you can’t one shot a heli , you probably lagged or something, you won’t listen to anyone who tells you the facts that you can’t one shot a heli unless it’s a tandem

[livid atlas]

No transport should be a 1 shot.

[crisp lance]

bruh

[lament meadow]

even quad? :D

[livid atlas]

You can one shot a helo. People have literally told you how.

[crisp lance]

my guy i said that in the message 💀🗿

[lament meadow]

it's too hard to do it. There's a lot of stuff that should happen to oneshot heli

[crisp lance]

but yeah i’ve flown for an entire match once and if you land smart and don’t stay in one spot for more than 5 seconds you’re chillin so practice more and it won’t be an issue

[livid atlas]

The quad hardly counts as a "transport" but no. excluding the quad and any dirtbike i do not think a transport should be one shot able.

[lament meadow]

tbh it's easier to headshot pilot with SR than oneshot heli when it flies somewhere

[livid atlas]

I one shot helos with tandems alot b. Its not hard.

[crisp lance]

goood for you

that’s how it should be helis are weak

[lament meadow]

and pilots should probably learn to fly

[livid atlas]

Flying is easy. Everytime a pilot goes to drop or pick up blues they shouldnt be free kills.

[crisp lance]

they are hallow shells of metal flying do you want them to be like a tank ?

[crisp lance]

they shouldn’t pick up in a contested spot

[lament meadow]

yep. You can if you want, but it's pointless

[crisp lance]

yeah cause people will just blow you up

[lament meadow]

also nobody really appreciates heli as a transport, there's a lot of reasons why, but now it doesn't matter.
For now as a pilot you should fly fast (and low, i think), drop people as fast as you can and run away

[outer swan]

all transports should be 1shottable

especially the helicopters

[lament meadow]

if with tandem only i agree

[crisp lance]

yeah i never stop to let people out i just drop the rope and fly slower over a spot

[livid atlas]

While flying "fast" and low is good and all you cant expect randoms to just jump out of a fast helo. Also good luck picking up randoms "fast". Sorry for wanting the helo to be useful in a "casual" shooter. sue me.

[outer swan]

the rope is literally there for that express purpose

[lament meadow]

you're free to choose any method you want, but overall hovering still is literally suicide. Because of tandem and because heli glass don't protect pilot from bullets

[crisp lance]

it is useful if you use it right

[crisp lance]

yeah fr

[crisp lance]

that’s why you don’t pick up randoms

[lament meadow]

i never pick randoms. It's pointless. Also when getting near point i always warn my passangers to prepare to drop

[livid atlas]

Picking up randoms... in the TRANSPORT helo... is pointless... why are you even in this thread?

[lament meadow]

why should i do it?

[livid atlas]

To get troops where they need to be?

[lament meadow]

Maybe i'm wrong, idk, and you know how to play better

[crisp lance]

if you are relying on the people who aren’t coordinated and literally called randoms for a reason , then you have to at least expect they won’t do what you want

you’re better off going to main sitting while people spawn in the helis and take them places rather than trying to land mid battle and get people to move anywhere else

[lament meadow]

+++
also, if somebody want to be transported via heli - they'll just spawn in heli. If they don't want - then they'll spawn on their squadmates

[crisp lance]

exactly, why try to get people who don’t wanna be in the heli and get killed

[lament meadow]

there's no teamplay in this game, so it's kinda weird to expect 120+ people act like a team