#Instant 90min ban, without warning

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pulsar atlas
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Last playtest i played with two of my friends, but one of them was quickly banned for 90mins, we assume it was for his name or profile picture. Since the playtest only lasted for 3 hours he wasnt able to play with us anymore.
It would have been nice if theres a warning first, giving the player time to change name or avatar.

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Instant 90min ban, without warning

pseudo sinew
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idk if you're getting banned you probably deserve it. don't have cringe names/pfps and you won't need a warning to begin with kittenThinking

placid reef
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That's just lazy programming imo

uncut nacelle
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Next time tell your friend not to be a edge lord

north badge
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So far everyone else who got banned manually violated the rules in some way, however.

placid reef
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Pretty sure there's a threshold too and report spamming can and will happen lol

north badge
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For cheating, there is.
The others, dunno.

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Just having anything remotely political in your name will suffice for a ban.

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Just put nothing remotely offensive into your name or PFP and you're fine.

placid reef
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Def should still be a disconnect warning rather than 90m ban

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No politics, nothing explicit or otherwise potentially problematic.

placid reef
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outside of racist shit, etc.

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A warning would require a second check so that's extra work.

placid reef
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Extra work that takes away further work from unbanning people who come in

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The overhead on unbanning will get high lol

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I mean, it's their own fault in the first place. meh

placid reef
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idk what's up with this place, but excusing inefficiency or subpar / bad implementation is real high lol

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Again, those bans are manual.

placid reef
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Are all bans manual and/or triggered by a threshold?

north badge
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I am only aware of CHEATING reports having a threshold.

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Other people get banned for racism or whatever because of what they wrote, said or put into their name or PFP.

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The only issue here is that, by default, your mic transmits on death. So people might get "accidentally" banned this way, too.

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That's the only thing that really should be changed.

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Basically, remember that anything you put into your username is subject to the game's moderation all the same.

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I got over >100h and haven't been banned for anything yet.

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So it's certainly not that hard to avoid that.

placid reef
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I mean trust me, I enjoy good / well earned bans. But I think 90m ban off the cuff for a name or PFP outside of racism is a bit excess lol

north badge
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Matter of perspective. Personally, I don't care either way.
But there's also people who would perm ban you at the mere sight of anything remotely suggestive.

placid reef
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esp all the political bans

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like god damn political name bam 90m ban lmao

placid reef
north badge
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But again, perspectives.

placid reef
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agreed, just not in favor of excess ban time

north badge
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To some people that's excessive, others would say it's not enough.

placid reef
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and those people who say not enough dont run game servers lol

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our community runs plenty of servers so from direct experience

north badge
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But Oki and the mods clearly are against political topics and any discriminating content, so expect a harsh treatment with that.

placid reef
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90m is too long. I'll hold to it that a disconnect + warn is fair for name violations

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or PFP violations

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after warn + d/c 90m ban can be warranted lol

north badge
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Yeah but again, it effectively doubles the work cause they gotta check it again later.
And then you have people who test the limit, wait it out, get banned anyway and complain all the same.

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The most logical way is just to have a normal username that implies nothing political, racist or otherwise.

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I'd like to hold both sides responsible for their actions.

placid reef
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Sure, you are, but also get this... You're leaving it up to bias to submit and execute reports lol

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Plus there's not really a great "Here's why you got banned" reporting system for the end user.

north badge
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The submission bias doesn't really matter. Moderator bias might hit, of course. But if that's forwarded to someone higher, that moderator will get into trouble, too.

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If it's a clear abuse.

placid reef
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So in effect, you're banning someone for 90m, not telling them exactly why, and all of that is high risk for badminning

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There's been some confusion with that.

placid reef
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so they can add in messaging flavor for that but not a warn

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too much extra work lol

north badge
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Since someone people got banned thinking it was for chat.

placid reef
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Comm server admins are gonna want warns eventually so it'll happen regardless

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Not that their name etc. is the issue.

placid reef
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I mean specificity is necessary especially if you're gonna ban someone even temporarily lol

north badge
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Political name? You'll just get a warning ban for posting political/inappropriate content.

placid reef
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Also should prob illustrate that it was based off name

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not just posting content

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That's what I am saying. That's the one actual flaw, though could be easily fixed.

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Either that or the mods doing this didn't see it.

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Dunno how the interface looks like.

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But yeah, besides some bias (e.g. "Ukraine" in your name and a Russian mod wanting it out), I just don't see an issue overall. It's just the approach they choose, which is a zero tolerance towards racism, politics etc.

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Getting suspended for a few hours or days has a much greater deterrence effect than a warning. So they'll think twice about ever doing that again.

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Plus you could also consider the point of view that the team simply takes this as a sign that this person's mindset isn't healthy for the community, so extra care is taken.

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You know, as in "that guy put this into his name, so he's probably likely to cause more issues in the future".

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Though that's just guessing, of course.

pulsar atlas
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Im sorry, didnt notice all the responses. I can assure u my friend didnt do anything racist/discriminating and had no such name/profile picture. He also wasnt cheating.

All I wanted to suggest was, that the game should give the player some kind of warning before banning and a more concrete ban reason.

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If they force every violation through 2 or 3 steps, they'll have at least twice the work and don't actually get anything done.

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I mean, I guess you could make the point to warn them and give them a vastly harsher punishment if the warning is ignored regardless.

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Might save work long-term...

glacial tree
lucid anvil
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Any we will do anything to keep racism - politics away from the game.

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As soon as someone is reported, we check their profile with report reason

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and ban if there is something or pass it.

placid reef
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Only thing that shows up is if you are prejudice against someone in specific ways like race, creed, religion, political spectrum, etc

lapis sparrow
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@lucid anvil can I ask about the same issue? My friend just got banned while sitting AFK in menu screen and he didn't use neither voice nor text chat. He doesn't even have anything racist or political in his nickname, so we're now just sitting and scratching our heads trying to guess what could be the reason. (official reason is racism/discrimination)

placid reef
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If you are gonna ban for names, etc. I think just putting that language up in the server rules as you boot up the game is a good thing.

lucid anvil
placid reef
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Also ban messages, notes so that you know why you got baned.

lapis sparrow
lucid anvil
lapis sparrow
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thanks

placid reef
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You think you can implement a warn + D/C too?

lucid anvil
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most players aren't on DC

placid reef
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I'd much prefer warn + kick aka disconnect than ban half the time

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Maybe warn comes up with mid screen view like when you capture an obj

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Community servers would just have admins write to you in the game chat and boot you if you don't comply.