#Nerf drop shotting

1 messages · Page 1 of 1 (latest)

runic nexus
#

Going prone while shooting should pull you out of ADS so that everyone doesn’t abuse this incredibly easy and low skill strategy.

sweet wigeon
north hare
#

I'm not against it.
Going prone while aiming is silly.
Forcing the player out of ads would encourage them to get better at hipfiring. Seems like a positive change.

undone palm
#

make the game be like squad!!! ! ! ! ! add stamina bar! remove inertia!!!!

sweet wigeon
#

You dont ads when you drop shot.....

fierce stag
#

Good suggestion

tender bison
torpid trout
#

Can't you just, you know, pull your aim at the guy going prone? What is the issue here?

tender bison
torpid trout
#

So basically ban any kind of movement that may help you outplay your opponent because there are people who can't aim well enough

runic nexus
#

Therefore the best way to make sure the fight is fun and equally skillful for both players is to make drop shotting take more skill or be more risky by forcing the player out of ADS for the duration of them going from standing to prone

torpid trout
#

There are people like me who don't care about the "reward ratio", it's a mechanic so you use it to your advantage. You drop shot most of the time in cqc so being able to hipfire only won't change anything. Just aim better, that's it

dawn stratus
torpid trout
dawn stratus
#

real

#

decimal is so funny tho lmao

torpid trout
dawn stratus
#

lmao yeah

runic nexus
#

Sounds like a major skill issue if you want that Mickey Mouse game mechanic to stay in

dawn stratus
#

sounds like you can't move your mouse more than a cm a second

#

its crazy how easy it is to deal with it

#

just don't be bad

dawn stratus
runic nexus
#

Cope!

lucid stratus
#

you wanna hear a magnificent idea

#

aim down then u hit them

#

ta dah problem solved

north hare
#

I don't think dropshotting while ADSing is op, it's just silly as hell.
Really, forcing you out of ads doesn't affect the close quarter effectiveness of doing it, but adds that little bit of needed skill to pull it off at longer ranges (where it becomes less effective anyways), besides, it looks cooler and is more satisfying to pull it off that way.

#

It's more of an aesthetic thing rather than a balancing issue

#

Though that's just my opinion

upper olive
#

Just make people bleed when they do that.
Basically slamming your elbows into the ground should be worth that much. HyperXD

dusty wedge
#

funny bone hit x2, instant death

earnest pike
#

I'd be a fan of making jump prone harder to aim, but normal standing to prone I like.

dawn stratus
vale jetty
waxen rampart
#

Just make it a server option when community servers drop. There you go, noobs happy.

viral tapir
runic nexus
#

Not a good argument bozo, in battlefield games a very effective strategy is laying down with an lmk and FLIR shooting people across the map through smoke and this game nerfed tactics like that, making it much better

full cloak
#

Y’all so toxic wth. Why is the first thing everyone does when they disagree with someone’s opinion is personally attack the person and call them clowns/noobs/bozos/etc.

like damn, just say “I think dropshot is fine” or say “dropshot is broken”. Don’t be an ass about it.

upper olive
#

One could argue that its existence makes the game easier for those who use it against those who cannot handle it.

#

Removing such things would just level the playing field more.

#

Easier for one, harder for another. In a sense.

runic nexus
#

Drop shotting is a really easy method which rewards low shill as opposed to juking and straying in combat

upper olive
#

That's how @north hare always gets me.

north hare
upper olive
#

I even remember the gungame on Frugis.

north hare
#

I don't remember

upper olive
#

smh

#

I won, so of course you'd forget.

north hare
naive marlin
wintry nova
#

or just correct your aim when they drop shot 🤯

runic nexus
#

The most competitive shooting games on the planet don’t have drop shotting because countering it by adjusting your aim isn’t balanced or as easy as you say

#

Think about that

vale jetty
#

i dont care one way or the other, but that's a ridiculous argument lmao. every single shooter has a skill gap involving some sort of movement mechanic. for a long time in cod it was drop shotting. for halo it was gandhi hopping. for csgo its counterstrafing. the idea that competitive shooting games dont have drop shotting because adjusting aim based on enemy movements is unbalanced is completely wrong. and as far as the specific mechanic of drop shotting not being in modern competitive shooters, its because most competitive shooters just don't have prone. can't prone in valorant, overwatch, apex. and that's a design choice, not a "we cant balance drop shotting" decision.

runic nexus
#

That’s a lotta words

#

Too bad I ain’t reading em

vale jetty
#

ok np have a great night :)

earnest pike
runic nexus
#

ikr drop shotting is just pressing one button, some people seem to think that makes them a apragon of skill when it literally can just be a keybind that happens when you shoot lmao

#

scrub mentality (no offense)

earnest pike
#

Sure maybe you can argue that it creates a tiny gap where some players aren't able to press multiple buttons at the same time to allow them to drop shot. And maybe you could argue that aiming while drop shotting is something that can create a slight gap aim wise.

#

But besides that, you're bricked if you suggest that drop shotting creates a skill gap.

runic nexus
#

so true so true

#

removing it adds a lot more skill expression, or just making it take you out of ADS, cuz hip firing def aint as easy

earnest pike
#

I still stand behind what I said I while ago in this, nerf the hell ouf of jump prone. It turns someone moving at rocket like speeds to a slithering snake in an instant. Sprint to prone drop shotting is a bit more fair and I'd be happy to see it stay / very slightly nerfed.

#

But I do understand what you say and it's a fair point AJ

runic nexus
#

i agree wholeheartedly, thank you for your input

#

🥰

#

jump prone is insane too yea, if it was toned down and locked your camera like dolphin diving in cod black ops, it could be fun and perhaps more balanced

torpid trout
# runic nexus 🥰

Imagine only listening to your voice or people who agree with you, you like patting your back all the time aren't you?

#

@vale jetty gives perfect explanation to the issue but you will ignore it because he doesnt share your opinion.

wind geode
runic nexus
#

naw it was just someone who saw my viewpoint, offered actual insight into the argument, isnt a complete dog, and realized why so few shooting based games have drop shotting if they want to be competitive

torpid trout
runic nexus
#

competitive shooting game with prone but they intentionally removed drop shotting becasuse it is terribly boring

torpid trout
#

Damn, one game, my argument is shattered, I give up

runic nexus
runic nexus
torpid trout
torpid trout
runic nexus
#

lmafo really? i need to be a dev to see that? find a better argument and tone

#

battlebit aint a competitive shooter but dropshotting is still a very annoying mechanic that not many shooters nowadays keep around since it promotes boring strats

#

and bad players thinking they are good cuz they pressed one button in a fight to reduce their hitbox by 80% at no cost while saying "just adjust ur aim!!11!"1"

torpid trout
#

I can call couple boring strats like corner camping yet there is no game where developers decided to make a script that kill players that hasnt used any movement input for a long time, such a shame.

runic nexus
#

yea because that is really stupid mechanic and a terrible argument, try to actually adjust my points

#

if u know where a corner camper is, there are so many things you can do to coutner em

torpid trout
#

I already did it but you are fixated to your own narattive which makes discussion completly pointless. You tell me there are many things to counter corner camping yet you believe that adjusting aim is to hard too do to also counter drop shotting, in a game with truly massive hitboxes.

runic nexus
#

while corner camping, you are still and very vulnerable to prefiring, grenades, stuns, etc. drop shotting is just something you can do in any firefight that makes 75% of your hitbox instantly dissapear and makes players aim at the ground, while having no tradeoff in aim for the dropshotter, only reducing their movement (when they were already standing still in ADS)

lucid stratus
#

u just gotta hit your shots 🤷🏽‍♂️they hitbox dont disappear it just moved, so u have to move your mouse so u can hit him

runic nexus
#

then everyone is dropshotting and everything looks very silly

wintry nova
#

S

#

K

#

I

#

L

#

L

#

I

#

S

#

S

#

U

#

E

runic nexus
#

how is it a skill issue if drop shotting takes no skill?

wintry nova
#

You wouldn't have posted this if you haven't have been dying to drop shotting

#

So you're clearly dying to something you don't need skill for

#

So clearly you just need to be better

runic nexus
#

do you hear yourself?

wintry nova
#

No, I'm seeing myself

runic nexus
#

something takes no skill and i die to it, therefore i need to be better, not the thing that takes no skill?

wintry nova
#

You can't hear text

runic nexus
#

that is my entire argument

wintry nova
runic nexus
#

that drop shotting takes no skill but in exchange requires more skill to counter

wintry nova
#

What skill? You're already shooting at the person?

runic nexus
#

so you want people to use less skill and win gunfights by pressing prone button?

wintry nova
#

Well clearly it is skill because not everyone does it, it's something to avoid shots

#

If they're doing it and they're killing you, they're more skilled than you

runic nexus
#

okay dude first of all the immature babyrage attitude really isnt appreciated, you need to act more mature

wintry nova
#

You're just slow at reacting

wintry nova
runic nexus
#

damn chill bro

wintry nova
#

At this point they should remove shooting people

#

So you don't die?

#

Or enemies shouldn't flank because they should face you everytime

#

?

#

Or everyone should start shooting at the same time so it's "more fair"

runic nexus
#

see whenever i bring up a silly mechanic that i think detracts from the gunplay, a bunch of clowns come in and are just "dO YOu wANt To rEmoVe guns TOO??!?!?!" No skILL!"

wintry nova
#

It's a shooter, Jesus, ain't no one going to show mercy and try not to kill you

#

Everyone's going to try their best to win gunfights

runic nexus
#

quit with the disengenuous terrible doggy arguments and just look at my points

wintry nova
#

No because it's stupid

#

Every game has dropshotting

#

That's arcady

runic nexus
#

wrong

#

not every game

wintry nova
#

Not talking about milsim

#

OK pal, don't you correct me, we're talking about battlebit here

#

Why can't you just kill the enemies before they dropshot you?

#

Answer this

#

Answer me this question

#

Exactly, point proven, just accept the fact that you're not good enough and you need to remove every feature to make a 1v1 "more" fair

runic nexus
#

i have work lol cant constantly argue with children

wintry nova
#

Well then, keep dying to children killing you in a roblox game

lucid stratus
wintry nova
#

Doesn't seem you have work since you've been replying every single time except answering my question

#

Lol

#

But oh well, I hope you get what you want

runic nexus
#

alright, am back

lucid stratus
#

in every shooter theirs some mechanic their thats not hard to do but it creates a skill gap, b hopping, counter strafing etc, little tricks you have to make urself harder to hit

runic nexus
#

wow someone needs their diaper changed lol

runic nexus
wintry nova
#

If it's so easy to do, why are you dying?

lucid stratus
#

just ignore him ur not going to wim

runic nexus
# wintry nova OK pal, don't you correct me, we're talking about battlebit here

pasted from above:
battlebit aint a competitive shooter but dropshotting is still a very annoying mechanic that not many shooters nowadays keep around since it promotes boring strats
bad players thinking they are good cuz they pressed one button in a fight to reduce their hitbox by 80% at no cost while saying "just adjust ur aim!!11!"1"

runic nexus
runic nexus
#

its crazy lol

wintry nova
runic nexus
#

its not about who has the most kills, its about what makes combat the most fun

wintry nova
runic nexus
wintry nova
#

Why are you dying?

runic nexus
#

and everytime there is a firefight if all parties involved go prone things look really stupid and gets stale fast

lucid stratus
#

its a easy mechanic yeah, does that mean everybody can do it ? no. again theirs dropshotting in cod but u run into maybe one 2 people every 3 games dropshotting and even then they dont have good aim. it jusy seems easy because bbr hitboxes are really fucking big so its hard to miss tho shots in general especially when ur that upclose (the only reason why u should be dropshotting) but not everybody gon have the skill to manage to keys at the same time or the processing power behind it cuz jf u drop shot for every single kill its not gonna work out

runic nexus
#

so in response, adjusting the tactic so ropshotting briefly takes you out of ads while you drop would be a good balancing decision

#

as it would still remain a niche but viable strat at close range but not be effective from longer ranges

lucid stratus
#

nobody is dropshotting from long ranges tho, 90% of the time people are dropshotting is if they turn the corner and somebodies there unexpectedly or if they get into a close range fire fight. its purely reaction based

runic nexus
#

a saw and used it quite a few times medium range (<40 meters or so) where it is still effective, i just want drop shotting to have a lower effective range

#

i have no problem with it being exclusively for close range fights

lucid stratus
#

well whoever is dropshotting at 40+ meters is not good because theirs no reason to be dropshotting there, only thing u do is make urself more inaccurate and give away ur location without getting a for sure kill. and if u are dying to that then u shouldnt be standing in the same place and takin shots for longer then 4-5 seconds

wintry nova
runic nexus
#

sounds like a skill issue, why are you ever at a disadvantage lol

wintry nova
runic nexus
#

cope harder and get muted lol

lucid stratus
#

like dropshotting in cod wasnt a very overt problem because its really only used at closed range battle like battlebits. ofc their gon be those random outliers who dropshot at long ranges but its not effective like how your making it seem

wintry nova
#

Bro you're so ironic

#

You're the skill issue

#

Don't tell me you've never died to someone you didn't expect

runic nexus
earnest pike
#

drop shotting adds nothing to my gameplay experience, not against having it though. Obviously wouldnt want it any easier to aim compared to how it is now though.

runic nexus
lucid stratus
#

that analogy made more sense in my head

runic nexus
#

it looks really silly not sick imo when two people meet in close range and both go prone while shooting

#

incredibly goofy imo

lucid stratus
#

im talkin bout you doing it lol, like running through an entire team and their just lost cuz ur reactions are just better

#

like seeing sombody still aiming where ur head would be but your on tje floor is so hilarious

runic nexus
#

not cuz ur reactions are better but because you presed a single button and made urself much much harder to hit

#

i dont find it hilarious, just unneccesary

#

and frustrating

lucid stratus
#

nah, its cuz i was able to make a split second decision to give me the advantage

#

he can dropshot just as much as me

#

but since i have the better decision making and reaction speed i won

runic nexus
#

ok lets think of it this way

#

imagine if going prone made ur hitbox 1 inch instead of a few feet

#

ur argument would sitll apply even though everyoine could agree it would eb busted

#

u made a split second decision even though its a decision that costs you nothing and merely consisted of you pressing the prone button, hardly a difficult chievemnt

#

so there is an ideal balance of drop shotting, whether that includes making it take you out of ADS when dropping, or makin dropping while shooting take longer, or something else

#

as of right now its a no skill all reward tactic

#

and those are unhealthy for any game

lucid stratus
#

i do agree that the animation should be a tab bit slower or scuff ur aim just a tad bit, but its not as broken as your making it seem/its not a huge problem in the player base

runic nexus
#

i am glad we can agree on some sort of middle ground

#

let me test drop shotting in the shooting range with me trusty AK

wind geode
lucid stratus
#

like people been sayin the same shit about cod for YEARS and literally you more often then not they arent drop shotting

wind geode
#

Although same argument can be applied to leaning, which is even faster

lucid stratus
#

for every 10 players that are playin like 1 might drop shot

runic nexus
lucid stratus
#

but the thing is its not boring lol, its might be boring to you but people play the game to win/be good and them winning their gun fights in their fun

runic nexus
#

okay nevermind LOl

#

tried dropshotting in the practice range and you can still perfectly track a moving target at 80 meters

#

if it messes up ur aim then you cant aim in the first place, the impact dropping has on your aim is insanely small lol

#

zero skill strat

#

even when i stop ADS while drop shotting in the practice range i can still reliably adjust my aim to hit a target at 15-20m

#

that takes more skill, drop shotting should def take you out of ADS and even then its still good at close range

lucid stratus
#

nobody is drop shotting from that far

runic nexus
#

since as i am saying, it has zero downside

#

thats the whole point

#

you can do it, it takes no skill, there is no downside, and it can be done at any effective range

lucid stratus
#

i agree wit u, dont remove it fully but make it slower/maybe scuff your aim

#

preferably make it slower

runic nexus
#

indeed

lucid stratus
#

i just dont think itll be as big as a problem as your making it seem because people have had the same problem for years and still only a certain set/very low minority of players do it

#

i have yet to meet somebody from out of my clan that drop shots lol

wintry nova
#

Just remove crouching and proning kat

vale jetty
lucid stratus
vale jetty
lucid stratus
#

and even if you do

#

imma pull up with this and run yo ass over like how i did last time

vale jetty
#

the ptsd of turning around to see a jeep inches from my nose

lucid stratus
#

as soon as i ran you over i was like gotcha bitch and started laughing manically

torpid trout
#

Is this guy still arguing about not being skilled enough? KEKW

orchid sable
#

skill issue

violet wren
#

Not only proning but also spamming Q/E

dusty wedge
#

just increase the fire pattern bloom for any of those actions to INSANE

#

like, a guy movin normally like a normal guy in a normal fashion has pretty good control of the gun versus the guy with severe tourettes and parkinsons and on the other side of the monitor you can hear the RGB gamer brand $150 keyboard going wild

dawn stratus
#

like

#

seeing people through smoke

runic nexus
#

Understandable

#

Drop shotting is still Mickey Mouse playhouse Nickelodeon doggy daycare easy

vapid pollen
#

no Deadass

mystic forge
#

no, add jumpshots please

obtuse seal
runic nexus
#

it got really really silly when youd see two players drop shotting each other at the same time lol

#

thats when you know something is wrong

lethal mulch
#

eh more of a skill issue id say

stable trench
#

Yet to see a single drop shotter...
Or atleast haven't realised what they were doing before I killed them.

glossy saddle
#

Yes please.

zealous kettle
#

It's promenent. Heavily, a lot of people are now doing it. It happens to be much more BS because of how quickly the drop happens, we're talking less than a second for the to be down on the ground. I think they need to increase the time it takes you to lie down or make it so that if the system realises you abuse it, it slows you down each and everytime.

#

Like how CS doesn't allow you to spam Crouch.

covert bloom
#

maybe the problem is the networking, because for whatever reason people see me around corners before i do, and the only response that lets me live is dropshotting. if the networking was better, than firefights would be a lot more fair instead of whoever sees the other first gets the kill.

torpid mural
# lethal mulch eh more of a skill issue id say

Surely, its more of a skill issue to use a strategy frowned upon in literally every game that allows it?

Besides, its not really a skill issue when the ttk is either faster or a significant portion of human reaction time. Given that two people have perfect aim after they react, the drop shotter will always win because in the time the other reacts, they already have 2-3 extra bullets in them

lethal mulch
#

just jump and it throws them off lol

torpid mural
#

What part of "i am physically incapable of reacting fast enough" do you not understand HyperXD