#THIS NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED

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grave crown
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This is such a red flag to me. In the first big playtest I played in, that was live for a weekend or something, I had like 12 reports of cheating. I'm nothing special, I have good aim but people instantly just report for cheating. This will make a lot of players that just have good aim be punished for spam reports. Then it gets worse with "being reviewed by moderators," why are suspected cheating cases being reviewed by moderators? This is just gonna lead to even more false suspensions or worse, who even knows. I think this needs to be reviewed and re done in a manner that's more fair to skilled players.

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swift bronze
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whats ur kd lol

timid steppe
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Good pleyer.

silent osprey
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Why are suspected cheating reviewed by moderators?..

Would you rather we just ban you right away? Even if you're found NOT to be cheating?..

violet heron
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Fr, what is your kd. I've not been reported once in 6 playtests. I'm guessing this isn't a problem for 90-95% of the playerbase.

scarlet glacier
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Skill issue

terse pike
grave crown
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My point exactly ^

grave crown
# silent osprey Why are suspected cheating reviewed by moderators?.. Would you rather we just b...

No, I would rather it not come down to person review at all, except for maybe special circumstances. My point is already proven in this post, say I get 6-8 reports for cheating, I'm completely legit (which has happened, I think it was the first PT , whenever bipod m249s were broken) , and then this narrow minded plain jane moderator goes to my steam profile and sees VAC ban which he knows nothing about. What do you think happens then? He decides I'm cheating of course and bans me.

silent osprey
grave crown
# silent osprey Ok, so there's 2 choices here, either, you get reported, and it gets reviewed by...

I understand someone has to look at it, I guess what I'm trying to say is it needs to be someone more experienced in the subject field, or higher up than just a moderator imo. The way this is worded in the message makes it seem like the anticheat is not sufficient and moderators will be deciding on cheating bans, which in my mind just screams false ban potential and/or inconvenience for unfortunate people who are targeted.

grave crown
silent osprey
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I understand your point, but we have to find some way to stop this kinda play, we don't use an automatic system, so that people can't be auto-banned, by mass reporting..

The easiest way is to have it reviewed by Mods, we're trying to be as fair as possible, I agree, that a VAC ban don't look good when we 'check out' your profile. You have to agree, it looks suspicious, if it's there..

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We do have some tools in place to help us decide, but it is a lot more fair, then just auto-banning from reports.

grave crown
# silent osprey I understand your point, but we have to find some way to stop this kinda play, w...

I agree, it can be deceiving, but there are truthfully false bans that happen which is why this concerns me because I know how much of a pain in the ass it really is. This also has me curious of the methods that would be used by moderators to determine cheating, are we talking stat watching? I'm sure that shouldn't be disclosed, but no matter which one I think about, it seems like they all can easily be mis judged. I just hope the right people are setup to be viewing these kinds of things.

silent osprey
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I agree, we can sometimes get it wrong, this is why you can always come to Discord, and speak with someone regarding the issue, giving a second review..

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Unfortunately, we have to go off what data we can get, we have no recording system, or replay, this would be too heavy on the servers..

The only other way, would be for you to run OBS, and record each game, then if you get that screen again, you can give us the recording, and we can actually see for ourselves.. Of course I understand this isn't the easiest way for everyone, but least you'd have video proof or your innocence.

serene fox
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Me looking at dale be like

silent osprey
# serene fox Me looking at dale be like

That's a good point in theory.. I remember a poor Chinese guy, when we did have it doing auto-bans for a test, he got banned like 4 times during a playtest.. Turns out, he was just good..

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Each time we had to unban him manually, so Oki changed it, so it went for review instead.. iirc

heady condor
# terse pike Ekhm.

HAHAHAHAHAH this is your response to this? Screenshotting his vac ban from 7 years ago?

OP has a valid point and it’s responses like this that get important feedback absolutely nowhere.

violet heron
# grave crown My K/D is irrelevant to the discussion, and frankly it does not matter if you've...

Your KD is entirely relevant. If you are (for example) in a skill group encompassing <1% of the player base, then this system of reports and manual moderator checks is totally appropriate, because the volume of cases is quite small. If you were in the 2-3 KD range then it would be a different story altogether. I get that its a major pain the ass to be locked out of the game while you wait for someone to review your account, but as TrueDevil says, what else should they do?

heady condor
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I don’t understand why there is always so much resistance and hostility in this discord when anyone points out flaws with the game. It’s cultish and down right strange.

violet heron
violet heron
heady condor
silent osprey
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Tbh, I've not actually done any game related moderation yet, and right now I can't, for a technical reason..

So I don't know the full process, but, from what I understand there's a way to tell..

Ofc, I have to be somewhat cryptic, meaning I cannot say what tools we have, for security reasons, I'm sure you will understand this..

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I know it can be frustrating, but if we do nothing, people will assume it's 'open season' on the servers.

This is the fairest way we have right now.

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You are always welcome to talk to Larry about any review you get.

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However, it's like 2am.. I'm off for tonight 🙂

grand epoch
terse pike
# heady condor HAHAHAHAHAH this is your response to this? Screenshotting his vac ban from 7 yea...

His point is both valid and unvalid.

First of all, such system that flags users for cartain stats or reports isn't perfect, but it's working sometimes - later after upon review, it turns out that the system was right. Not always, as there's no perfect system like that. There really are hundreds of people who say they're clean, upload videos proving their skills, and then it comes out differently. It's very typical. I emphasize, however, that nothing is decisive at this point.

Why his point is invalid imho? He got VACed 6 years ago and 6 years ago was he was accused of cheating? Well. Looks like totally random circumstantial funny situation. Also he is quite interesting person in Verdun community. There's even statement from Verdun developer himself - stating that he's banned from the forums. Stating that he is not clean.

Therefore, he should not be surprised that the system flags him. As someone said above, no one is hostile here, but you are trying to force people to be hostile. It looks like that, just a little. People who are very good players have the most problems with this system, or later it turns out that they used something. There's no reason to call it cultism when 99% of people have no problem with it.

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grave crown
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But sure my point is invalid because of a false vac ban and because I had a reputation in verdun

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Also this was not the system flagging me, the screenshot is from someone else. The sad part is people like you would be the ones dealing with these cheating reviews. Everyone knows how that would obviously go

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With everything you type it just makes my point more and more valid. You jump to conclusions with everything you say

terse pike
heady condor
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@terse pike Dude are you sure you’re fit to be a moderator here? You just linked me a bunch of pictures of somebody else HyperXD

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This is ironic as fuck KEKW KEKW

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Dude I cannot stop thinking about this
@grave crown Makes a post about a faulty system. Then a staff member comes and explains this faulty system. @grave crown Explains how it’s faulty.
Then our fucking Hero @terse pike , such a world class moderator, comes swooping in with HIGH LEVEL detective work. @terse pike Then begins showing such high quality pieces of “evidence” as an example of the previously questioned to be faulty manual review process for “cheating”. Brody then begins to explain why zed might be cheating, with stunning screenshots of OTHER PEOPLE. Not even @grave crown HyperXD KEKW

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This is absolutely insane

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There truly is no better way to show how broken of a system this is and that ONLY qualified people should be able to perform these checks. Clearly some people are NOT qualified.
If you ask me, the whole manual system as it is should be thrown out the window.
I mean this guy Brody sat here and actually seems to have convinced himself that Zed is cheating. HyperXD KEKW Zed isn’t fucking cheating Zeds a fucking god 6x Squad world champ, terrorizer of Verdun and 99.9% of players will never be as good. It’s also not a thread about whether Zed is cheating but somehow the staff team turned it into that simply because something about Battlebit was questioned.

terse pike
# heady condor There truly is no better way to show how broken of a system this is and that ONL...

If I searched it wrong, I am deeply sorry for that I made a typo in his nickname and found different person. It's still not the reason to be that rude and that arrogant as you are. And as I remember you where removed from Discord for such approach to the people, do you? No actions where taken against Zed and no decisions made. We are doing the same thing here as you do and the same thing you want to do - discuss. I'm not convicted and I did not said that he is. I'm discussing with you and simply made a typo in the searchings that is not any kind of action or decision against him. You want people to discuss but you don't allow people to discuss or make a typo in nickname. Sorry for that and there's no reason to attack others for mistakes that are not based on any decisions or actions. Rather than jumping and attacking you should simply point out that this is wrong person and I made a typo. That's normal and OK approach, but attacking someone like you did isn't a good way to solve discussion.

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Sorry, but I'm not going to be dragged into such flame war. It's okay to discuss, it's bad to put words on other that they didn't said.

grave crown
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You attacked me with false assumptions though?

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I’ll just stop, you’ve done enough yourself here

heady condor
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Dude this guy is the biggest gaslighter instigator. Comes into this thread hot asf posting pictures of 7 year old vac bans then makes this whole false accusation post towards you. Now is coming after me. It’s just so crazy. The behavior of some Battlebit staff is just outrageous.

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@terse pike This has been forwarded to those above your pay grade not gonna sit here and go back and forth with somebody like you thanks bye ✌️

grave crown
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Yeah it’s hilarious, and these are the people who are reviewing cheating cases. Jesus Christ. I mean this post speaks for itself

heady condor
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Seems like he looked at it and went “Ah ha! Got him!” HyperXD

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Without even reading. I mean obviously he didn’t read. He found “evidence” of people that aren’t even named ZED HyperXD
ZAB You have been a bad boy ZAB @grave crown HyperXD

grave crown
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Lmao. Yeah safe to say he would’ve concurred with cheating on my behalf, based on something he interpreted completely wrong. Which is the entire reason I made this post, he doesn’t realize he’s just proving my point. And this is just at the start of it 😂 but hey, us 10% of players subjected to this don’t matter because we’re only 10%

pulsar narwhal
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@grave crown Currently report system is one of our biggest weapon against cheaters.

I do my best to improve the system that it only timeouts the actual cheaters instead of legit players together with.

Sadly I could not find a point where system can always 100% separate from a cheater and a legit high KD player. (There are multiple things are involved, not only KD)

Currently timing out players are giving enough time to review and take action. We are not banning anyone directly.

I apologize behalf Broady for him giving the impression of you were cheating. I believe he only wanted to point out some findings he had from online search, but we normally do not use online search to decide but rather keep them in mind.

In case if you/anyone get timed out, me and staff team gets a notification and do review as fast as possible, accurately as possible without keeping you timed out as soon as possible.

sacred hornet
heady condor
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As a side note, one of my favorite parts of this thread was this —>

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I’ve read a lot of stupid shit on the internet. This one is up there in the top 10

hidden dock
spring dagger
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I guess you would rather get an autoban after a certain amount of reports? Not sure what you want here, it’s being reviewed by a real person.

silent osprey
hallow iris
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maybe you should get like 3 reports per day, or a 3 strike policy as in if you report 3 people which are not cheaters then you can't report people for set amount of time?

craggy bear
vapid bear
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Meanwhile cheaters in BFV running wild and you can't do anything about it, other than leave.
Gotta pick a poison, I suppose.

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The one thing that needs fixing are public report records.

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Seeing 5 aimbot reports will make the monkeys report the same once they die to that person. Or even for no reason.

sacred hornet
vapid bear
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Might be hard getting banned so quick. HyperXD

grave crown
# sacred hornet post footage of you playing then

It’s literally pointless, you and the other brainlets talking about K/D are completely missing the point. What causes you to get reported is a whole different thing than what happens after you’ve been reported ( which is my issue at hand )

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But here I’ll save you some time : “posts footage of playing”

dUdE uR nOt eVeN tHaT gOoD

Okay we’re done there now, now go watch anime losers

serene fox
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Gladly

sacred hornet
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Signs of toxicity

iron basalt
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local man begs to be banned because mad at pre-release report system

sacred hornet
vapid bear
vapid bear
grave crown
green rampart
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Most moderators will not allow you on a server if you have a vac ban so.....

meager aurora
# terse pike Ekhm.

i mean this was 2,500 days ago that is a extremely long time I also have a vac ban for using a csgo skin changer back in the day and haven’t “cheated” in a game since

vast cypress