alpine light
Unpopular opinion: buff the damage on sniper rifles and limit the number of open slots for the class, or get rid of the unrealistic scope glint mechanic.
Coming from Squad, having a bolt action sniper rifle that does not one hit kill to the body... unfun and gives me no reason to not just play assault/engineer and make more of an impact.
sudden island
you want a one shot body shot sniper ?
alpine light
you want a one shot body shot sniper ?
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto DM rifles are two body shots, bolt action sniper is one. Same with Hell Let Loose I believe. Feels balance in both games, however the number of snipers allowed are limited. In both games, playing sniper is fun. This current iteration of battlebit, not so.
sudden island
i feel that snipers are already annoying enough, making them one shot anywhere would be more cancer no matter if they are limited or not
alpine light
Interesting. Currently I don't find them annoying. Pretty sure I've never actually been killed by a sniper after a few hours of playing (could not say the same about Squad/HLL).
Playing sniper however... super annoying. Spend time getting in a good spot... immediately given away to everyone on the map by glint. Make a tricky distance shot... whoops, gotta cycle the bolt and land a second shot to get the kill.
Anyways, that's my opinion. I'd like to leave the rest of discussion to anyone who would like to chime in.
reef stump
Maybe add more ammo so this guy can actually hit shots? Snipers are plenty good. Especially the m200.
radiant prawn
This is not a squad so don't treat the game the same way, aim for the head to get a kill which is quite easy, or snipe over 1000m to get body shot kill.
slow aurora
Interesting. Currently I don't find them annoying. Pretty sure I've never actual...
aim for the head, or play with m200, if im not wrong after 1000m it will be +100 damage
for me the fun about snipers is in doing a precise shot, if i hit the body then its just me not being good enough
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they knowing you are aiming them cause of the glint will just help your frontline, the same with body shots, its not like they will pecisely hit you back after see you
m200 (with heavy equiped) damage by distance
marsh wind
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto ...
In squad there are very limited sniper classes for the team, but in bbr everyone could theoretically play sniper
slow aurora
it could work if they limit snipers but in some maps the only ones who would kill a sniper is just another sniper, so free shots?
fleet thorn
why is it always the squad players trying to turn this game into that game with more accessible graphics
wintry geyser
hit heads
torso buster snipers are miserable
if you can’t hit headshots and prefer a different that’s fine but don’t ask for them to be rebalanced to accommodate you
alpine light
they knowing you are aiming them cause of the glint will just help your frontlin...
You’re the first person to actually talk about glint (I mentioned two options people). How would you feel if they removed the glint? Or greatly minimized it?
opal flicker
Sounds like a skill issue
slow aurora
You’re the first person to actually talk about glint (I mentioned two options pe...
i think its possible with a better view of bullet but it would be way harder, its my first FPS actually so i dont have others game experience but as a game where i can really be +1000m far from battle i think that yes glint is totally necessary to balance the class, but what they can do is maybe change it in short/mid range (less than 200m for example) where mid range scope like ACOG can see
test yourself in shooting range, try to see the target without any magnificant in +500m
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some players actually know how to hide the scope (not sure if its a bug but seems like you can hide if too close to a structure) and its a pain to find them or wait them to show theirself again
alpine light
I definitely like your direction 👍 Also, totally forgot there's going to be a hardcore mode... hopefully they make drastic changes to the snipers in it.
wooden saddle
I beg to differ. Bolt action rifles are great if shot in the head. the M200 does 100+ damage after a specific range, it's a bit of a slog to unlock things sometimes but once you're sniping at 1300m on Basra and are erasing kids in 1 shot (even the body) you quickly forget all the challanges it took to get there.
alpine light
I beg to differ. Bolt action rifles are great if shot in the head. the M200 does...
With this perspective, I'll have to go replay sniper a bit 👍
wooden saddle
With this perspective, I'll have to go replay sniper a bit 👍
yeah, I'd recommend getting the 15x or 20x scope for Basra to do that, but you're completely out of range of most people when you're that far away.
If you've been using DMRs, try bolt, the bullet velocity and extra damage make up for the slow shot speed. I used to DMR until my eyes were opened.
slow aurora
@wooden saddle what is DMR tho? c:
wooden saddle
designated marksman rifle. Like the MK20, M110, SVD and MK14 EBR
slow aurora
oh i see, ty
summer lily
I play sniper to anger myself, my squad mates, and everyone on the enemy team by shotgun sniping with 50 to 100 meters with iron sight/acog setup and shouting shotgun at them if manage to kill them.
Sniper isn't weak, just has to be played enough to find the way you like playing. (M200 is skillless issue and boring) So i run everything else because they sound different and it confuses people to hear an uncommon sniper going off next to them. (but really i just like the R700 sound design better, Its meaty and should be doing what the M200 does but nah. No one knows guns here.
fleet thorn
don't limit anything
if people want to drag down their team and lose by sitting on a hill accomplishing nothing, let them
thorny parcel
coming from the guy that wanted to nerf movement speed, probably so he could hit shots easier 😭
fleet thorn
sad!
summer lily
Patron and n patron violence? Yes please throw more money around. happy sniper picking up all the money
median crypt
don't limit anything
if people want to drag down their team and lose by sitting...
Who cares about win or loss
I dont really care if my team is stacked with snipers, but its really annoying if enemy team has tons of them
fleet thorn
just shoot them
crimson mica
Snipers are unfun because they require a cockroach mindset to be fun.
You can't make them fun.
Take a proper gun and run into battle.
summer lily
Sure cockroach brain. I’ll stick with my sigma grind of marksmen play style and fight with my team. Thank you.
alpine light
🍿🫢
plain glacier
snipers are not weak, it a bit hard to get kills but not underpowered.
summer lily
Time, and patience is needed to use them.
plain sedge
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto ...
There is only 1 bolt action sniper in squad, you're allowed 2 of them on the Canadian side.
Snipers are fine, I get headshots all the time. Bullet travel is almost non existent within 200ms. It should never be a 1 tap to the body to accommodate people who want more realism. Snipers are fair how they are rn
summer lily
Snipers are fine, I get headshots all the time. Bullet travel is almost non exi...
"Right now" New players at EA-: "I just walked out of spawn and died to a Sniper across the map that i clearly saw and started shotting at with me Starter AK and got a hit marker! This games trash! make AR's better!"
The vet community-:
meager agate
as with each class i think the trick is unlocking more powerful weapons to realize the advantages
vapid mauve
Snipers have glint making their ranged scopes useless
On top of that sometimes headshots dont even kill for whatever reason
On top of THAT you get limited mags and slow ass movement
lethal pewter
The eternal philosophical question about the usefulness of snipers when many of them can have high KD (ex. 80/5). What does high KD mean? it means that, unlike players playing "in the assault", they do not cause the team to lose tickets 😄
crimson mica
A KDR means absolutely nothing without context.
You could have a KDR of 10 and someone with a KDR of 2 still could be vastly more useful.
If 10 kills is all you got, while that other guy got like 100 kills.
Plus getting revived being a whole different consideration.
Sniper shouldn't be be allowed in modes like Cash Run.
Like, why is that even a thing?
They serve no purpose besides being free cash deposits when you walk up the roof to delete them.
lethal pewter
Sniper shouldn't be be allowed in modes like Cash Run.
Grappling lines + kamikaze drones ;p
on cash run they are great
crude nymph
i mean to be fair if they add 50 cal snipers they better be a oneshot kill... im sorry but things like 50BMG is an anti material round designed to absolutely demolish anything in its path... theres no way that isnt gonna oneshot
crimson mica
i mean to be fair if they add 50 cal snipers they better be a oneshot kill... im...
Which is why we'll never get one.
rare plank
the dmr's are actually OP...the bolts are okay, could do with like a 10-20dmg buff
celest iron
Snipers have glint making their ranged scopes useless
not useless, if you know how to position and you don't ads for too long its fine. its just a way to balance which I like. I have played snipers in all of my games for the past 10 years. I have never had a game that does sniping as well as battlebit. Snipers are not overpowered in battlebit, not underpowered either. One taps to the body at over 8 or 9 hundred meters is awesome. it rewards long range sniping where kills will be more scarce. Never ever limit the amount of snipers. there is a significant portion of the player base that would probably leave if that were to be done.
radiant prawn
not useless, if you know how to position and you don't ads for too long its fine...
I noticed lots of people in this game dont utilize strategy to fight other snipers, for example barely someone using advanced binoculars to scout enemy sniper positions, no flanking to sides, most snipers always look straight to enemy direction and get spotted because of glint, instead flanking from side, scouting and easily killing them because they never look around, on lonovo night map you can use night vision with binoculars, sniper with silencer and scout around, kill unnoticed easily from good position, most times im prone with bipod and barely getting killed because of these strategies, the problem is not the glint but how you play the game, and how you utilize strategy and gadgets given to you, for example on Valley most snipers go to wind mills, witch are easy targets from ground, 1 hit = kill and just change to binoculars so they could not see you and you can see them
celest iron
Precisely. Most players are too lazy to figure out how to counter.
sonic knoll
most snipers are bad but the good ones are absolute cancer
desert kraken
Wouldnt mind snipers killing if landing torso shots at close range. Just cus way units move/etc. getting a hit to torso at close range should kill. Annoying to land a good shot within 25m only for it not to hit head, just be shredded with amazing accuracy after taking said bullet by meta-gun sweatlord.
crimson mica
Wouldnt mind snipers killing if landing torso shots at close range. Just cus way...
That's basically just adding shotguns. Big no no.
desert kraken
So RPG kills arent a thing? Idk what takes more skill - a single sniper shot or a VECTOR+RPG...hmm?
With that argument, quick detonate on c4 is not practical, either.
crimson mica
You're not serious now...
Think about that again and remember the major flaw with that argument.
desert kraken
Well make it so when I shoot you with a sniper at under 50m you get disoriented or a cripple to your aim for 2s
crimson mica
No.
desert kraken
Lmao good thign u arenta dev
crimson mica
Why would they add such arbitrary mechanics?
crimson mica
Lmao good thign u arenta dev
I mean, thank heavens you aren't. 🗿
desert kraken
Guess if its not copy/pasta from battlefield its 'arbitrary'. Nice
crimson mica
That's not an excuse to add mechanics that everyone but sniper mains is gonna absolutely be annoyed by.
desert kraken
I'm just trying to give medium/short range snipers an incentive to play that way. Cus right now unless you are sitting 200m+ away from battle you arent getting more than a couple kills before an RPG or meta gun kills you
modern lava
snipers are already too annoying
crimson mica
I'm just trying to give medium/short range snipers an incentive to play that way...
You're trying to incentivize them to completely change what they're doing.
They have no interest in being that close in the first place.
That's why they're doing what they're doing
desert kraken
Just delete snipers then, its a sore on the game -fun af tho
crimson mica
I wouldn't mind, but they exist so those people pay for the game, too.
Same reason there's no class limit on them.
sour kindle
You could add a noscope accolade similar to the headshot one that gives extra points, then snipers will maybe frontline a bit more
:)
crimson mica
You could add a noscope accolade similar to the headshot one that gives extra po...
Lasers technically make this relatively easy to do.
desert kraken
The non-bolt snipers with canted sight can probably do some damage close range. Takes a while to get their tho
crimson mica
Why canted specifically?
You get short sights way earlier than that.
Most people use an ACOG, though.
Makes it viable on medium range. No glint either.
desert kraken
laser+canted just give a nice sight versus 3x+ scope
under certain range maybe 25-75m
crimson mica
Just put a red dot or whatever onto it as main sight.
IIRC you get that much earlier.
desert kraken
Probably right, havent bothered with it in the playtests, been all sv98 with some acog
Damage of bolt rifles > > dmrs
crimson mica
AK15 is basically a better DRM anyway.
Or scar-h.
But Recons aren't meant to be up close anyhow. That's the whole point of the class.
If one wanted to fight on low to medium range, Recon is not the class designed for that purpose.
They're specifically made for long range, and the AR range nerf underlines that notion.
slow falcon
But Recons aren't meant to be up close anyhow. That's the whole point of the cla...
give recon smg 
crimson mica
Just play medic at that point.
slow falcon
yeah but funni
crimson relic
hell nah
fringe mirage
Unironically skill issue, snipers are great.
unreal timber
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto ...
I have been having a blast with sniper rifles... The bullet speed is already so good that its easy to hit even on moving people to the head. I hated how snipers worked in battlefield games, but in this game they're just perfect. Sorry but you just gotta learn how to aim.
unreal timber
Snipers have glint making their ranged scopes useless
?.. They do indeed have glint but what do you even do with that information as some random dude across the map if you're not sniper yourself. Like you aint gonna shoot the dude with your assault rifle. And you can pretty much assume anyways that any place that has big open area has few snipers... Now you just know where they are more precisely and you were trying to avoid the places where they could shoot at anyways if possible.
unreal timber
On top of that sometimes headshots dont even kill for whatever reason
Idk even the sv98 has been 100% time guaranteed kill to the head.
Might be the first sniper rifles that don't always kill, but sv is very early in the unlocks.
deep schooner
Sniper rifles in Bits, just requires more skill then alot of other games. Even more so when its not just some hitscan pull of the trigger an instant result. Patients a 4X an positioning. an its possible to get 10-1 or higher KDR. Just cant shoot at everything an expect everything to be a 1 shot. (though if the Anti-material 12.7 X 99 or larger dosn't 1 shot with a torso id feel robbed of only having like 10-20 rounds before respawn/resupply)'
slender plinth
i think sniping is in a pretty good position as it is, tbh. if you aren't consistently hitting headshots then you're literally worse at scoring kills consistently than someone using any other type of weapon, and in a game with high on-foot movement speed (for a "tactical"/modern military shooter), combined arms, smokes, fortifications, and heavy scope glint, even if you're not a counter-sniper (in which case you can also add drone bombs by the by!) you have a multitude of ways to make headshots difficult or near impossible for any sniper who's not cheating (and don't balance your game around cheaters, ban them, obviously)
if someone can still manage to reliably hit headshots on their opponents, then it makes sense to have a long-ranged option for that skill to express itself
crimson mica
And the requirement of hitting heads consistently to do well is a fair one, given you're not even participating in direct battle.
Otherwise everyone would be playing sniper, because that would mean it would be a broken class, if it didn't have such requirements.
slender plinth
because, to be honest, if you step outside of individual kills and deaths
even a god aim sniper has to use very careful positioning
very good target selection
and very good timing
to actually meaningfully impact a match.
they aren't capturing the god damn point, they literally only contribute kills.
crimson mica
The fact that they basically don't play the objective is the main reason they're useless by default in most modes.
slender plinth
and not even particularly quick or numerous ones.
crimson mica
Sniper in Cash Run?
Free deposit for anyone who finds them.
In that case, they're griefing.
slender plinth
and, moreover, it's fine for sniping to be a weak and situational playstyle where high skill is necessary to make it work.
it's almost like that's how niche playstyles are supposed to shake out in a well balanced competitive sandbox!!!!!!
isn't it crazy that different things can just be... at different levels of strength and have different kinds of utility in a game designed to be fun and have depth for people to enjoy figuring out...?????
lmao
fleet thorn
I'm just trying to give medium/short range snipers an incentive to play that way...
here's some incentive:
don't
full hollow
sniping in Battlebit is in great spot in my opinion even in few playstyle types, mid range aggressive sniper - acog and movement if you hit headshots you can basically get kill after kill (git gud xd) long range with decent sniper is decent aswell just click heads and dont overthink positioning range etc.
it is not so easy as as val, ak playstyle to get 80 kills per game but rewarding as hell if you pull off a great play. quickscopes no scopes with movement are hella fun too
deep schooner
Me personally, i play sniper role only to have the high power rifle with a 8X to counter snipe. The rest of the time im on objectives or trying to help secure one with the mighty Deagle. But really engineer with a DMR, or fireteam lead can do the same job with better tools.
fleet thorn
sniping is quite ironically the best balanced class at the moment (if you ignore the m200 being head and shoulders above the other rifles)
the class mechanics, strengths and drawbacks, and gameplay are all excellent
the problem is that the role of sniper attracts braindead mouthbreathers who post up as a glintshitter on some hill somewhere, proceeds to do nothing useful then comes to the suggestion or feedback boards to post some inane shit about how glints are unfair (but curiously never "wow 20x optics on a high-powered one-shot kill rifle sure seems unfair")
celest iron
Just delete snipers then, its a sore on the game -fun af tho
Why in the world would you delete snipers. That’s an integral part of the game. Learn to outflank them, learn to use cover. Don’t remove just because you don’t understand how to play against them.
crimson mica
"Integral" definitely is a stretch.
They provide no significant utility to the game or its flow.
They only "importance" manifests through the fact that there's people who simply wouldn't play if they did not have the choice to sit back and shoot from far away.
But that's important only for game sales. Not for the game quality.
Well, one could argue that the assault class is also rather insignificant then. Though at least that one has any useful features.
slender plinth
if there were more defensive play, then snipers would have more utility for both sides (picking counterattackers off from an entrenched position on a point OR attempting to soften one before or during an assault by picking off useful targets)
crimson mica
Snipers will never be useful outside of elimination modes.
But in an elimination mode where you actually gotta be careful with your life...yeah, that's a different story.
slender plinth
being able to pick off a machine gunner in an overwatch position from outside their effective range is intrinsically useful
and while you can do that if the circumstances permit with an AR or DMR, it's much more difficult and will generally leave that person significantly more vulnerable than a sniper slightly behind the front lines or on a wide, distant flank
the same can be said for picking off medics from off angles, because that can disrupt the ability of an entire squad or more's worth of people to fight until that medic is replaced, leaving room for your teammates in the immediate area to move onto that enemy position and weaken their overall defense
if the squad leader class also grew more useful and was made more recognizable, this would add another high-priority target where a sniper would have many more safe opportunities to eliminate them than other roles
my point being that I think, currently, snipers have some limited utility, but they would have a lot more if squad leader and support developed further as classes, because they would most likely make life harder for shorter-ranged infantry on the attack
crimson mica
All those examples would only apply in an elimination mode, though. What does it matter of the squad leader dies? What does it matter if that machine gunner dies?
It doesn't actually have any significant effect. Mostly because they'll be back/replaced right away.
If someone was to suppress a corner using the LMG of a humvee, a sniper isn't super helpful there. Because they'll just keep replacing them.
A medic with a C4 charge, or even an engineer with an RPG at just about any range would solve this issue by just destroying the whole vehicle.
Point is, snipers are virtually unable to tackle the root issue of anything.
Why pick off people on B? Go there and capture it.
Why shoot the gunner in that Humvee? Destroy the Humvee instead.
If you add medics to the equation, most snipers do literally nothing for the team.
Like, great, you headshotted that one guy. He's down now.
Now his ally just revives him behind cover and you accomplished basically nothing. You can't do anything about them being in cover. You're no threat to them. If you actually downed them up close, you could have taken out that medic as well. Or whoever else might be ready to revive them.
For a sniper to serve any purpose whatsoever, they need the teamwork with the people that are actually close by. And since (normally?) no coordination happens between those 2 sides, the snipers yet again don't really actively help their cause either.
slender plinth
what I'm talking about is about timing, here— yes, all these people can get revived, but for the length of that revive that's two more guns and additional functions provided by that target not being pointed at your teammates, which creates a temporary power differential in the immediate area, allows one squad to move in where an enemy squad was holding, and that changes the larger dynamics of the engagement between two teams
shooting the gunner out of that Humvee creates a time gap where someone has to actively go and replace that dude, which makes a window of greater opportunity for an engineer or medic to safely C4 or RPG it without taking response fire from said humvee-mounted gun
crimson mica
But again, what does it provide in this game? They did nothing that someone with a rifle up close couldn't have done just as effectively.
They're literally just worse units.
There's not one thing they do better than any other choice.
slender plinth
except generally speaking someone with a rifle getting up close is going to get picked off by the teammates of said high value target, if they aren't completely blind
(balancing around bad players is stupid, because trying to predict the behavior of people who don't understand the game systems in said systems is a losing race to the game's depth being compromised)
crimson mica
Honestly, with my experience, I might be just too biased to ever think snipers actually accomplish any purpose in this game.
But that's maybe just the reason why we have them.
slender plinth
all of this is in defense of more aggressively positioned snipers inside or on the flank projected by their team, mind
40x scope goobers sitting 1200m away are worthless without absolutely god-tier target prioritization
fleet thorn
snipers are going to be targeting the same morons who die as soon as a bad guy comes around the corner with a val either way
whenever I'm sniping on uhh construction, most of the people I'm killing are other snipers
snipers are essentially playing a different game
that runs parallel with the main game but has no effect on its outcome other than providing a very slow trickle of roughly equal ticket loss to both sides
deep schooner
IMO, single shot sniper rifles should do the same damage as the Assault rifles of the same caliber, drop the scope glint, an improve the "scout" kit with scouting tools like the advanced scope auto marking enemy an posting a real time tracker for 1 second. The term "sniper" is not a weapon, its by definition any one that shoots from a long range while hiding.
proven rapids
sniper rifles are made for the marksman of the group, meaning someone whos got a high accuracy and survival ratio. i personally dont think they need to be buffed in damage sense but maybe a reload and bolt action buff would make them a little more fun? if youre finding that the bolt actions themselves arent strong or useful enough try the marksman rifles. same damage output to the head with a faster rate of fire. this isnt cod though
^anyone have any input on this please @ me im a huge fan of the r110 and the cheymac m200
slender plinth
part of it might be that the bolt attachments are all multiple hundreds of kills deep
proven rapids
part of it *might* be that the bolt attachments are all multiple hundreds of kil...
and thats fine. it takes more than quick scoping torso to be a sucessful sniper
slender plinth
i aim exclusively for headshots unless i'm sniping directly into active engagements where I know the tag is enough to secure my teammates a kill
i'm just not sure that "a slightly quicker bolt that doesn't even provide straight pull" is such a strong attachment it warrants a 170 kill wall
proven rapids
so think about it like this, it takes roughly 700 on any gun to get a FLIR, and its not even that great yet nobody is complaining about the killwall behind it. the 170 kill wall for hitting two slightly faster shots isnt that bad.
how many people do you see that are over level 50 and using anything other than a rk1 canted grip and RDS with whatever large mag they have
slender plinth
nobody is complaining about that because FLIRs aren't fun to use on day maps and most of the playerbase doesn't give a shit about night maps (as demonstrated by the overwhelming majority of map votes currently)
proven rapids
flir is useful against any amount of smokewall during daytime, but my point was people dont use it regardless of how useful it is.
slender plinth
how many people do you see that are over level 50 and using anything other than ...
that is statistically the objectively best configuration for nearly all combat situations on 80% of the arsenal
proven rapids
take engineer for example. you cant get smoke launcher but you can get smokes and an RPG. still a VERY good combo
slender plinth
outside of a marginal horizontal recoil reduction from the gunfighter grip
deep schooner
IMO, Thermal is garbage at shooting from afar IE what a sniper should be doing. Now if thermal was on the drone an could mark targets for the team 🙂
fleet thorn
at the bleeding edge, bolt-actions only have two stats that actually matter: accuracy and damage per shot
all of them are more than accurate enough so that's a wash between rifles, which leaves only damage
stuff like recoil (lol) and mag size are just quality of life things that are ultimately pretty meaningless, you could make an argument for projectile speed mattering but even then it takes a huge gap for it to be a factor (the m200 does, admittedly have a huge gap between it and the closest runner-up)
you should basically just be doing whatever lets you squeeze as much damage as possible out of a single hit because there's always a chance of those few extra points of damage either enabling or scoring a very lucky kill
signal blade
6x -20x Scopes have been fixed, should be easier to hit enemies in the head once you Zero in the gun for the distance. just match the crosshair with the head(and account for lead if they are moving side ways).
mental phoenix
As someone who likes sniper rifles, I would LOVE a 1 hit kill, but as a player against snipers, I do not want a 1hk, and with 127 enemy players, I do not want a 1hk in the body.
The reason games like Squad and such have a 1 hit kill sniper is because of limits, map size, and game play style.
Squad is built as a more realistic shooter, not an arcade shooter.
I find myself just taking multiple shots or aiming for the head only. I avg about 50 kills a match with a sniper rifle. Which doesnt seem like a lot, but when you add the range bonus, headshot bonus, OBJ bonus, your score can and will rapidly climb.
Just your idea will not fit into the game with the games current playstyle.
ionic bramble
Snipers for me at least give no feeling of danger, just a glare somewhere far away that will probably never hit me or i'll just laser them with one of the AR's. Either way they are just the way they are and I don't see any reason to make them better/worse. No feeling of danger when either they are too far away to hit consistently and you can lay smokes or are close enough that you disintegrate them with 800 rounds/min up close or medium range
chrome inlet
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto ...
the thing is, in battlebit you dont heal unless you have medics around. so a bodyshot is "fatal" regardless. simply hitting someone without getting kills contribute to the fights massively.
why oneshot bodyshots work in other games is because if you get shot in the limbs you can take cover, and regen in a few secs
slow falcon
Contributes to a 127v127
deep schooner
the thing is, in battlebit you dont heal unless you have medics around. so a bod...
Bandages stop bleed out? IE body are not that fatal, yes hitting some one hard dose make them F-off for a bit or press their luck to peak again but in the long run a "snipers" role in a team based game is Long range enemy disruption. Like as a sniper if when i pop some one in the open an they gett downed I will watch the body an wait for more medics to start running to pick them up... And OMG i have stacked up 5 bodies of people it felt like i was in some Benny hill or monty hall movie. In short single shot bolt action high power rifles are in a ok place, Sure do i wish that i didnt need as many kills to get the 4x scope an silencer yes. The "Scout" role is vary misleading though.... vary vary few "scouts" are ever in the front lines in this game. The number 1 reason I hang back is cause i hate trying to sneak around behind the enemy...getting into position.... an some squad mate spawns on me an just ||donky fucks|| everything up.
chrome inlet
Bandages stop bleed out? IE body are not that fatal, yes hitting some one hard d...
they only have so many bandages to delay the inevitable, and while theyre bandaging they're not shooting your team.
its not like other shooters where if you didnt kill him, he can just take cover and negate all your damage by waiting and regenning
landing a hit will cost the enemy something
its not meaningless to fail to kill.
nah, I believe its refreshing to have snipers take skills to oneshot people.
bodyshotting such massive playermodel hitboxes for onehits would be bullshit
deep schooner
From what i seen, lol not always true. A little patents an its like waka-a-mole 🙂 An yeah, the player that cares about their KDR will most likely try an heal up / reposition before trying to peak again
chrome inlet
and headshotting isnt that hard.
sometimes their helmets save them anyways
which is good
deep schooner
oh yea
chrome inlet
you dont want a class like support feel worthless to have any armor if snipers oneshot them anyways
deep schooner
That helmet Ting can be kinda fustrating as a sniper. But it has saved me too so one tool thats good. IMO i feel like the support loosing the entire brainbucket in 1 shot is bad cause the support speed is sooooo slow that the second shot is still going to be a finisher.
chrome inlet
I think snipers are in a good spot, bullet velocity seems to be the key to some cases of bullshit moments where with the right scope and rangefinder you could essentially become consistent at landing 600-1000m shots
deep schooner
I love an hate the support, Sure its natural counter should be a sniper. But that is not the case.... damn vecter an VS VAL super hit TTK in short range is. An i feel like thats wrong, i mean the support is wearing all that armor an its pretty much only going to extend the TTK by like 0.1 seconds. Pistol caliber VS Kevlar should be meaningfull.
chrome inlet
asking the enemy to walk such a distance to counter you if you dont have unlocks to snipe that far can be a bit annoying
naw a support's counter is simply speed
deep schooner
True
chrome inlet
ads time of support is slow
get the drop and the ttk is still very good with any weapon
kinda wish support would have a biiiit more accuracy at long range to at least suppress snipers from landing that precious headshot
deep schooner
I play the support an medic for the points moslty. an as a support i try to hang back so my team can spawn on me. But man even if i have my gun up an ADS at a door or hall, its still 50/50 to kill a no armor medic with a VS VAL.
chrome inlet
honestly I havent found an obvious case of imbalance so far
just things like the bipod being a straight downgrade from other grips if theyre not on snipers.
deep schooner
Yeah, me neither. I just feel like wearing heavy armor for the support is not good enough for the loss of speed. just no armor an a LMG would make a huge differnce
chrome inlet
lmao I feel like the other classes are too fast instead
deep schooner
SPeed > then armor.
chrome inlet
I dont like when boot on the ground shooters become a game of who can mash as many movement buttons as possible to dodge bullets
deep schooner
hell i would not mind guns like the M82 12.7X99 being in the game lol but it should be the Anti armor kit weapon as its not ment to be used on people
oh yeah, dolphin diving along with Q an E mashing making enemy damn near glitch into the matrix
I do hope the "Scout" kit gets more tools to help them scout though. At the moment i feel like that role name should jus tbe changed to Sniper lol. As most people will assume that is what you are going to do any how. Hell i would not have an issue with the damage of DMR being pushed into boltaction damage ranges.(im a fan of the weapon gives the Accuracy, handling, control The caliber gives you the damage. IE 7.62X51 having a damage value of 70 vs no armor an 45 vs Armor, 5.56X45 nato being like 30 vs no armor 20 vs armor, an 9X19 being like 20 vs no armor an 5 vs armor would force people to think about an change tactics based on enemy team comp. To many snipers = drop armor an go for speed, to many SMG grab that Intercepter with some heavy plates.)
chrome inlet
if scout could have team-wide enemy pings (the red ones) instead of squad-only pings using binoculars it'd be neat
like marking vehicles do
deep schooner
OH yeah, i used teh advanced binoculars an was underwhelmed
chrome inlet
binoculars right now are only useful as a scope without glint afaik
with friends or voice comms it can become useful
but it'd be nice to have UI features to it
deep schooner
also the Drone is a good marker tool, but its hard to get marks on enemy i can stare right at then an cant mark 😦 its like damn thats the best piece of the scout kit an its better off used as a remote bomb
Id love to get a Version of the SOFLAM that auto marks enemy like a motion detector. As well being used like the drone & lazer mark targets for a Off map missile strike. Even if you only get 1 LATGM it still IMO would make scout feel more like they are doing what their role suggests.
(oh an let me be real clear, im not trying to tell The crew at Okidoki what to do with their game i love whats in so far an would just love to see more thats all)
hardy quail
It's insane to see all of this adversity to sniping being effective.
I played a ton of Battlefield 1. Snipers could deal one-shot bodyshots due to the sweet spot mechanic, and yet I still didn't care because
Despite that game having perhaps the most oppressive snipers out of any Battlefield title, there was an unbelievable number of counters to them; counters that simply aren't present in Battlebit because
This game just isn't set up for snipers to be allowed to be effective without causing misery across the board. That just sucks. While fast-paced players laud this as a victory, it further damages a sandbox that's already wrought VAL gorillas running around, doing arena FPS things, and spraying down full teams in less than a second (all while the snipers are actually challenged to "just headshot bro" for a single kill in highly situational scenarios).
The lack of suppression's especially funny. It's something that players hate here, but it's a counter to another thing that players hate here.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
well, two things if you count bipod LMG hill-humpers
slow falcon
well, two things if you count bipod LMG hill-humpers
Those aren't real
fleet thorn
hm yes today I will advocate adding some weird blur because some spastic is shooting near me
I could take a few pot shots to suppress the sniper temporarily (ex. I once ran up to a sniper across open-ground for a full minute, and he kept missing shots because his accuracy got dumpstered by me dealing suppression every few seconds)
there are people who think this is a good mechanic
hardy quail
I mean, if you guys hate snipers that much, then that'd be one viable mechanic for countering them.
though, I'd never advocate for the BF3 level of suppression that applied at extreme close range
Besides that, maybe suppression in general existed for a good reason? 🤔
chrome inlet
maps are big enough that you can take a quad bike and flank undetected to the enemy's buttcheeks
kill any snipers you find
median crypt
Depends on the mode
Try doing that in salhan domination etc when other team is more or less baseraping
fleet thorn
if your team lets the enemy team baserape you then it's a collective skill issue try harder next time
fleet thorn
I mean, if you guys hate snipers that much, then that'd be one viable mechanic f...
there's already a viable mechanic for countering them
shoot them in the fucking face
how is this difficult for people to understand
all the tools to deal with snipers are already in the game, and the most effective one is quite simply "just pretend they aren't there"
chrome inlet
Even in frontline as a sniper I could get 50 kills and still lose because im not pushing objectives
Because nobody was counter sniping
So they had more numbers to push
We had a dozen snipers
hardy quail
all the tools to deal with snipers are already in the game, and the most effecti...
This is already what I do, because as it stands, they feel inconsequential to the gameplay flow (i.e. they're pretty fucking useless compared to just taking an AR, and "shooting them in the fucking face" on the objective with spray transfers).
fleet thorn
so what's the problem
hardy quail
If you were reading anything above, I made several points about how I dealt with the most oppressive snipers in Battlefield history within BF1 (which were also viable in a tryhard setting for the first time in Battlefield history). Despite them one-shotting with the sweet spot mechanic, even using 2 out of the 6 countermeasures that I mentioned could help you shrug them off.
My problem is that Battlebit lacks the means for many of those countermeasures, and as a result, snipers have to be in their current weak state to compensate for that
and as much grander result, this weapon sandbox won't scale well into a future when everyone improves at the game, when everyone is more concerned about playing to win, when "skill creep" occurs (which is the fate of pretty much every PvP game).
fleet thorn
but snipers aren't weak
they're useless from an objective-oriented gameplay perspective and have a clear drawback, but they're far from weak
more accurately a lot of recon players are objectively fucking garbage
and are typically the ones that show up to the discord making threads about how snipers should kill with a single shot to the chest or that scope glint should be removed
typically a large overlap with people who think DMRs should be buffed
marsh wind
dmrs could use a slight buff tbf
fleet thorn
"no."
chrome inlet
dmrs are fine
strong midrange and long range but still serviceable up close with good aim
bolties are fine as well
headshots arent so hard to hit
and bodyshots are still contributing to something
"muh dopamine from getting a kill"
slender plinth
(although the visual recoil on medium range scopes is a little ridiculous)
slender plinth
and as much grander result, this weapon sandbox won't scale well into a future w...
i see where you're coming from here, but i think addressing the issues with support as a class will do a lot to even out issues like this and will make it easier to figure out the balance issues that still remain afterwards
support being so weak as to be non-existent exerts a strong warping influence on the rest of the gameplay
ionic bramble
DMRs are in dogshit category of its own, but exactly as snipers they do no need to be buffed really. It seems that the game is in core favourable for medic/assault and yada-yada classes/playstyles. As stated several times, just ignore them. Game is not (maybe yet) Squad or arma type where you have have few tickets or even no respawns. Run and gun is what battlebit now is
velvet rivet
I love an hate the support, Sure its natural counter should be a sniper. But tha...
9x39 is neither a pistol caliber nor does it have any issues penetrating any body armor in the world with BP ammo. The energy of the impact on that caliber is also insane and much higher than .300 blackout for example. If anything val is realistic in the game.
velvet rivet
My problem is that Battlebit lacks the means for many of those countermeasures, ...
Snipers aren't weak, you have a skill issue. I go 80 0 half my games, the other half I die once or twice or get around 60 kills. Why can't you? Guess what, its not because snipers are weak.
deep schooner
this is a 9x19 its A PISTOL CALIBER.
this is the 9x39 wolf.... i was not saying this is a pistol caliber when expressing the lower damage or "smg" also also if you are going to go with this round ....why not just use a real rifle round an actaully put people down...
deep schooner
9x39 is neither a pistol caliber nor does it have any issues penetrating any bod...
Also i dont know what country to live in but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4eITpKoro
body armor VS sub sonic caliber dose have a ton of energy..... BUT it also dose not have the greatest prenetration VS reinforced body armor, ALSO having shot a VS val in real life the recoil is nothing like a Vector OR even a MP5
deep schooner
IMO calling thr Vs Val a "smg" is also wrong as its not using a pistol caliber. Its a subsonic AR.
hardy quail
Snipers aren't weak, you have a skill issue. I go 80 0 half my games, the other ...
obviously if you're cracked, you can go hard with a pistol. that doesn't change the fact that there are far more powerful, more versatile weapons for killstreaks and capping flags.
idk anymore. Despite the head hitboxes being massive in this game, I don't think "hit heads or be useless" will ever be balanced alongside a weapon roster that's significantly easier to use for quicker results.
Perhaps if one-shot headshots also disallowed revives, then that would make snipers incredible for actually bleeding tickets, while preserving the skill expression around them (idk if this is already a thing though, haven't noticed).
hardy quail
i see where you're coming from here, but i think addressing the issues with supp...
It's definitely an issue that we have a class that gets virtually 0 playtime, when the game's probably designed around it having a presence. Support buffs are definitely a top priority.
velvet rivet
Also i dont know what country to live in but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4...
its not about the caliber or it being subsonic. There is ammo for VAL that can only be stopped by most recent ceramic armor that also stops even 993. Val is also not really an smg and its got a lot more punch than an MCX so its not one of those rifle bullet with small cartridge weapons either.
velvet rivet
obviously if you're cracked, you can go hard with a pistol. that doesn't change...
Snipers are by far the absolute best weapon in the game for killstreaks. Why on earth are you talking about capturing flags and snipers?
velvet rivet
idk anymore. Despite the head hitboxes being massive in this game, I don't thin...
Yeah right being being top of the scoreboard in kills with the highest k/d is already not enough for you, good players should be 200 0 to make snipers balanced just because you can't aim. no ty. Nobody is going to balance this game around bad players.
slow falcon
Why did this go from snipers to as val 💀
ionic bramble
val bad upvotes to the left
velvet rivet
Why did this go from snipers to as val 💀
I guess val being op means snipers should be more op??? big logic
deep schooner
Why did this go from snipers to as val 💀
I started off with what balance means in a game an the "snipers" role would be best suited to taking out heavy armored people, an made mention that some of the SMG (pistol caliber) weapons should suck at taking out heavy armor but they do not. Avallac is just trying to add Avalons brand of "leet" salt here. Intresting that if you are not A Avalon member apparentl you have no skill an are bad? Which is if every one is a "good" player in thier book they would not be getting 200/0 sniper kill streaks cause you know only good snipers can get that..
slow falcon
Kewl
dreamy seal
i mean to be fair if they add 50 cal snipers they better be a oneshot kill... im...
that would be realistic, realism isnt used for anything in this game, one shot body shotting would be miserable unless the gun can only hold one bullet in a mag and it takes ages to reload.
dreamy seal
most snipers are bad but the good ones are absolute cancer
add me on steam so i can join your games and farm you
crude nymph
bruh
dreamy seal
bruh
yeah i was looking reading a clan member of mine talk in here and i saw ur message
dreamy seal
Perhaps if one-shot headshots also disallowed revives, then that would make snip...
though i would love this, it would be so op
crude nymph
well good for you. but for the sake of a dead convo. just dont. what would a 19 year old canadian know about guns XD you probably haven't seen anything bigger than a .22
for referance
.22lr is pretty common hunting ammunition
.50 BMG is also common hunting ammunition. .22 lr is good for deer. 50 BMG is good for lightly armored vehicles and making half of your torso go bye bye
well maybe a small exaggeration unless we are talking 50 BMG explosive
bmg will still put holes in a jeep
slow falcon
Hunting with 50 bmg 👁️👄👁️
crude nymph
hey never said what i would hunt with it
but if it decides to hide. it wont be for long
slow falcon
Hunting with icbm when
dreamy seal
well good for you. but for the sake of a dead convo. just dont. what would a 19 ...
i dont know anything about guns but this thread is about balancing to a video game that completely ignores realism and will not be balancing the game off of realistic ideas in games.
crude nymph
i dont know anything about guns but this thread is about balancing to a video ga...
(ignores realism) but has a bleedout mechanic.
(ignores realism) but has stupidly short fall death heights
(IGNORES REALISM) but has bullet drop
(IGNORES REALISM) BUT HAS MORE REALISTIC ELEMENTS IN IT THAN MOST MODERN SHOOTERS
dreamy seal
(ignores realism) but has a bleedout mechanic.
(ignores realism) but has stupidl...
those things arent based on realism, they straight up video game design ideas behind them, me having personally talked with OKI. bleeding isnt in the game because its realistic, bleeding is in the game because it forces players to pace themselves instead of running through everything and anything with auto health regen or going till they reach 0. bullet drop is so you need some form of skill instead of just aiming directly for the head, even then the bullet drop in this game is basically nothing since i am able to shoot at 1400m without aiming up or zeroing in certain scenarios
crude nymph
did i mention the bleedout mechanic actually uses Real life timers on how long it takes to bleed out
unless its down to coincidence
which is possible
dreamy seal
probably coincidence
dreamy seal
but not made with realism in mind
after having talked with oki, anytime a thread starts and its about balancing or things that should be added, if it backs its suggestion/feedback with realism, Oki straight up mutes the whole thing. he really has no interest in making things realistic. when hardcore comes, it MAY add certain things that are intended ideas from realism because that is a portion of the crowd that want it to be that. the current casual/hardcore hybrid we have will be the casual mode when ea comes
crimson mica
did i mention the bleedout mechanic actually uses Real life timers on how long i...
Bruh
Real life timers...for bleeding out...💀
How's that looking IRL?
Stop watch and declared dead after 10 seconds on the point?
That'll wildy vary depending on so many things.
Ususally gonna take minutes tho.
Bleeding out isn't that quick...
fleet thorn
it's fucking over boys I cut my finger and I've got literally no bandages left the timer is already ticking
crude nymph
A bullet wound can indeed kill you in 10 seconds easily
You vastly underestimate how much damage can be done with a single bullet much less 3-6
crimson mica
A bullet wound can indeed kill you in 10 seconds easily
Emphasis on "can".
A stab wound "can" kill you in 10 seconds easily.
A needle "can" kill you in 10 seconds easily.
All just a matter of what's actually hit.
You're not going to die from your finger being blown off.
Maybe if you never treat it and it gets infected on top.
Bullet to the head? Might just be an instant death. Could also do nothing or be a slow death. All depends on where it hits, your condition, what happens after...
Bullet to an artery while you're pumping hard after sprinting? That can be a quick bleed out indeed.
But that's probably still 15 to 30 seconds.
2l of blood don't exactly just instantly exit through one wound, after all.
crude nymph
Yeah but let's be honest here. No one aims for a finger. People aim center mass IE: chest/head. We're talking lungs,heart,basically all your vital internal organs. Your not surviving most chest wounds. Unless you get stupidly lucky
fleet thorn
that's cool but really what we're doing here is laughing at your statement that the bleedout timers in battlebit are intended as realism instead of just "hey 10 seconds is a nice round number"
besides, pretty sure that ain't how the bleed works
velvet rivet
I started off with what balance means in a game an the "snipers" role would be b...
All I see in your message is compressed salt about a clan. Long story short, git gud and then you won't need to cry about snipers or armor that's removed after 1 hit and can't be repaired.
deep schooner
All I see in your message is compressed salt about a clan. Long story short, git...
wow, you really should stop an read. I was never "crying" about snipers. I was making proper conversation about balance an even supporting how snipers (long range attacks by definition) are best at taking out heavys.... but thats ok... just keep talking up HOW good you all are an i will continue to return the leet with a side of salt 😛
velvet rivet
wow, you really should stop an read. I was never "crying" about snipers. I was m...
Right you also compared val to pistol caliber weapons... and then went on about it not being able to pen armor... because its subsonic... get a clue maybe for once.
deep schooner
Right you also compared val to pistol caliber weapons... and then went on about ...
Wow, you must have a reading disfunction. With a side dish of narcissism. Just keep trying to put words in my text. Its starting to show just how dumb dumb you are. Well clearly not that dumb... smart enough to down load "skills" an then just run around trolling people that do not want to get the "skills" you avalon have.
i mean i was trying to have a constructive conversation with the OP, then you Avalon fucks just come in an be all like, "GitGuD Scrubs" ..... its really kind expected that you all have 12 year old mentality an nothing productive to add to the development of a game or help At least talk about Feedback in a proper adult way.
So why dont you, do us all la favor. An uninstall this THanks 🙂
deep schooner
@velvet rivet Every time you Avalons Add on the "well i have no issues getting 200/0 with blah blah blah its skill issue on your part"(well no duh even if all snipers were 1 shot average gamers would still have issues going 80/0). You just provide the community with information that comes down to 1 simple thing.... Troll... this hurts the clan name an reputation for being "good" players cause honestly if you cant show a modicum of respect for your fellow gamer an only seek to attack them for not being as good as you are then its only natural that people like my self will just assume you all are cheating an move on... cause cheaters are not humble people they are trolls just like Avalon represents it self.....
deep schooner
yep thats a proper 12 year old response
velvet rivet
yep thats a proper 12 year old response
Says the guy that's wrong and clueless about everything he said in this thread and then proceeds to have a meltdown over "avalon cheaters" after getting roasted as his final "argument".
deep schooner
well im going to get back on topic.... as this BS breaks the rules.
crude nymph
Says the guy that's wrong and clueless about everything he said in this thread a...
I clap for you palpy a true Chad in the comments
open radish
funny
crimson mica
As Wave said, point was just that your statement made no sense in this context whatsoever.
Or I failed to see the meaning. Dunno.
crude nymph
i would say the second one
but i mean considering this thread is almost 3 months dead
idk why anyone even necrod this
crimson mica
I just added the second to comfort you. You didn't have to agree. 🗿
rain valve
gloomy scroll
Dang here I am thinking I got the most hated suggestion
velvet rivet
crisp isle
Yes 😳 I've played many a FPS, squad just being the latest... and the semi auto ...
Crab.
crisp isle
lmao only heard russians use that term to describe a low skill player
hahahah is used a lot in tarkov community to say you are crabbing, 0 movement
plain frost
Interesting. Currently I don't find them annoying. Pretty sure I've never actual...
Sounds like skill issue. Make a headshot then. 😂 dont come here and try to make this game like HLL and squad. The balanse on HLL works BECOUSE AL BOLT WEAPONS ARE 1 HIT KILL NOT JUST THE SNIPER IDIOT!. with a few exeptions it takes 2 ^^ Thats why there is a balance thats why it works - also a sniper has to be closer to the battle. in battle bit use the M200 hide on the otherside of the map were no one can hit you or find you unles other sniper . be my guest but your not getting that one bullet one kill
plain frost
You’re the first person to actually talk about glint (I mentioned two options pe...
sounds very mutch like skill issue
opal flicker
u can use a medium scope to counter the sniper gleam, it was made for balancing purposes ig
when u die u dont see who kills u specially a sniper and a gleam helps identify that with extremely long ranges
but yeah medium scopes dont have that gleam and u can get some pretty decent ones to help u snipe from afar
slow falcon
Me when the camera still locks onto the killer
stark roost
Me when the camera still locks onto the killer
yea but there is no longer a red outline of them.
stark roost
Interesting. Currently I don't find them annoying. Pretty sure I've never actual...
auto bolt is an option you can unlock, headshots are a 1 hit kill unless heavy armor. medium scopes have no glint and I can get many kills before dying. Sounds like a skill issue to me on your part.
dreamy seal
its really just skill issue. there are people with more than me.
crimson mica
I don't think that itself really says anything.
dreamy seal
snipers arent weak
crimson mica
You can get XXXX amount with ANY weapon.
dreamy seal
very strong tbh
crimson mica
Just a matter of time.
dreamy seal
the thread is about snipers being weak. which they arent. headshot with a heavy/long barrel and you can kill anyone in the game. I will say that hit registration can be weird at times. i have a few clips of hitting people in the head and it says i hit body armor but that doesnt really matter
crimson mica
OP is clearly just missing every headshot. Snipers are fine.
Just meant to say that the raw kill count says nothing really.
dreamy seal
the only other thing that stops snipers from being more effective is the rpg heat explosive spam and the medics moving at mach 5 and being able to change their direction at the drop of a dime
crimson mica
I don't see how RPG's play into this.
And that's just the movement with all classes.
Just the way it goes without actual mass.
dreamy seal
medics are the fastest class in the game by far which is why i say them in particular. rpgs have essentially no drop and can you even if you are far behind walls.
eager obsidian
Don't touch snipers. They are OP AF coming from a sniper only player. lvl 51 Only with sniper and always top 5 points in my team. Plus having to HS is fun AF.
dreamy seal
Don't touch snipers. They are OP AF coming from a sniper only player. lvl 51 Onl...
i think people who say snipers are useless is about them not having enough effect on objective play/winning the game, which to some is more important than being top 5 on the leaderboard. although getting a ton of kills could technically shift the tides of winning the game, it doesnt have as much effect when most of your kills are on random cannon fodder but when you kill the good players on the enemy team/ people who are contesting the objective, snipers can be very good and useful, as well as if you can counter enemy snipers that would be sniping your teammates who are pushing the objective
fleet thorn
snipers are useless for objectives yeah
but that's a choice you're making when you choose to play the point and click adventure game class
alpine light
crude aurora
chrome inlet
i think people who say snipers are useless is about them not having enough effec...
Sniper becomes useful for objectives IF you kill enough people for them to forget to attack objectives just to manhunt you.
dreamy seal
Sniper becomes useful for objectives IF you kill enough people for them to forge...
HAHA trueee, yeah I have had some experiences of killing people enough they just forget about anything else and hunt me
fast delta
snipers are lameee
devout onyx
As a mostly sniper main, we're plenty strong enough. Aim for the head or snipe long distance.
dark umbra
objective based game, snipers are a waste of a player slot most the time. I'll be honest, i usually play medic and don't res them when they get popped in back lines 😂
devout onyx
objective based game, snipers are a waste of a player slot most the time. I'll b...
😐 bruh. It's valuable for taking out pushes or putting threat on a sightline. My go to is countering pushes on objectives near our base, since nobody tries to actually secure it properly
And why don't you rez them? My second is medic and you should get everyone you can. For shame.
fleet thorn
objective based game, snipers are a waste of a player slot most the time. I'll b...
based
sudden root
snipers are good
opal flicker
unique marlin
Laughs in 60 assist
frigid cargo
hit their head
nimble thunder
BF1's sweet spot mechanic , while unrealistic, made each bolt action have a niche. Plus, gave incentive to not be a Km away
fleet thorn
🤮
unique marlin
hit their head
I'm not American sniper yet
warm shard
Def a skill issue, snipers are super good already in the right hands, and it would definitely be way too OP if you could one shot w them
fleet thorn
wow almost as if you shouldn't balance a weapon type, role, or other part of the game around the teeming masses that are bad
and instead consider the fact that you must actually be good in order to perform good
lost ember
wow almost as if you shouldn't balance a weapon type, role, or other part of the...
ok if thats your point , then whats your opinon on attack helicopters
People say this, but are really hypocritical, only when it applies to them does this point get made lol
paper scroll
Imagine a sniper that kills with just one shot to the body, there would be people doing quick scopes and eliminating squads easily. (like me in other games)
So don't put snipers in the game that kill with just one body shot. The aim is to have fun and work as a team.
For example, you can team up with a friend and use both Snipers. When one of you spots an enemy, mark where he is and both of you shoot. If you both hit the body, the enemy dies.
It would even be quite fun. 😁
crimson mica
No one will ever add body one shot snipers here.
That's the point at which cqc sniping would become easy.
Rn you have to hit the head or you lose vs anything else.
fleet thorn
ok if thats your point , then whats your opinon on attack helicopters
balance attack helicopters around the people who are best at attack helicopters
it's a pretty simple concept
soft python
m200 (with heavy equiped) damage by distance
Why are they doing more Damage after 700m lol
glacial badger
Interesting. Currently I don't find them annoying. Pretty sure I've never actual...
This is a HUGE skill issue. I get more kills playing sniper class then anything else. You hit head, they dead. Not that hard.
dreamy seal
imagine in this clip with one shot body shot, air vehicles in general wouldnt have nearly the same life time if you didnt have to aim for the head, i would easily be able to take down helis with one shot body consistently
unique marlin
Def a skill issue, snipers are super good already in the right hands, and it wou...
I don't want them to one shot but the starter sniper could use a small buff
And yeah it was my first time trying out the sniper in this game so I sucked of course
Definitely don't want one shot body snipers cuz that's annoying af to deal with even as a sniper
unique marlin
wow almost as if you shouldn't balance a weapon type, role, or other part of the...
Game hasn't even released yet so let's give it some more time and see at least
I used the ssg69,most other snipers used the m200 but the meta changes over the course
Just requires time to get used to and learn,which I didn't have before the playtest ended but snipers don't suck overall
opal flicker
Giving OP the clown emoji he deserves.
median crypt
Based
fleet thorn
I don't want them to one shot but the starter sniper could use a small buff
lmao what why
fleet thorn
it shoots bullets that kill people just fine tho
unique marlin
Doesn't mean it's good
There's a big difference between that and the other snipers
What do you mean with this logic?
You mean there shouldn't be rebalancing?
fleet thorn
the bolt-actions are all fine with the exception of the m200
there are some questionable design decisions between certain rifles but by and large it's probably the most balanced weapon type in the game at the moment
unique marlin
Yes,except these 2,the m200 and the ssg69
The one being a bit more strong and the other a bit more weak
jolly rampart
/s theres this cool zeroing feature you can use by holding alt and using your scroll wheel
use it
bring grapple hook and binos, check distance and zero scope
if anyone is stationary for a second, you get a free kill
fleet thorn
ssg is 60 damage?
unique marlin
It's not only the damage
nimble hatch
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