AR Balancing Feedback

[crystal moth]

AR Balancing Feedback

[winter locust]

What is smp 💀

[fringe coral]

i think

he means

smg

he also called the famas an smg 😭

[crystal moth]

Sub Machine Pistole

[crystal moth]

Tbh, call them Sub machine Gun or Pistole
There is little to no difference

[fringe coral]

you cant really call all smgs machine pistols

[crystal moth]

I can

[fringe coral]

wouldnt make any sense but go off

[crystal moth]

What do you think is the difference between a SMP and a SMG?

[fringe coral]

the size

also submachine pistols arent a thing

theyre just machine pistols

this is a machine pistol

this is a submachine gun

[crystal moth]

And that's a pistole

A pistol is a gun, a gun is not always a pistol, a gun is a firearm.
What is casified as a pistole and the size doesn't correlate, nor the caliber.
Unless it's some logic which isn't based on RL

[fringe coral]

thats literally what im saying

you cant call all smgs machine pistols

[crystal moth]

The MP5 (Maschienenpistole 5 : Machinepistole 5) is a SMP afaik

but sure you can also call it an SMG, also correct

[honest shale]

No need for this long list though, only 4 weaps worth using atm and the p90 is the best one

[fringe coral]

you can make all the smgs work if you're not a meta slave

and the ars

[honest shale]

not at range but yes

[fringe coral]

ehhhh
not really

[crystal moth]

There are better weapons at range, some are better close up, some are better allrounders.
The AK74 is the best of all trades

[honest shale]

droz get sloppy at range, p90 dont, ak and m4 are beams

[fringe coral]

the fal sweeps

🥱

[crystal moth]

I did some digging.
Well that one could be casified as a pistole, when I apply your logic from the VSS or AS VAL argument.
And tbh, you would be correct there

[tropic apex]

Read your feedback

I think you have a bit of a weird view because you play from 80 to 150 meters

Above 100m isnt really AR range

[crystal moth]

I take the distances from the shooting range and orientate the distance estimation on that (I can actually just guess there), how big the character models are in a match.
And yea, I feel convident shooting people with an AR at 150m. I also do challange snipers with an AR.
I think the longets kill I made with the AK74 was 243m.

Yea 243m

I also do record my gameplay, if that helps

[tropic apex]

Idk, I think you should try out DMR's. Also HK416 doesnt kill in 3 shots afaik. And where is AK15?

[simple cargo]

I think the best distance for AR to work is now 40->100M, not 80->150

[tropic apex]

20 to 100 meters

The good ones are 2 to 100 meters

[simple cargo]

0->100M or so I think is the interval where AR can work, 0->40M I think SMG has more advantages

[tropic apex]

True, I think mister Biervampir isn't really aware of what range he should play

[crystal moth]

The HK416 does kill within 3 shots with an heavy barrel

I just tested that

[simple cargo]

40M I think is only a vague distance, for this distance AR and SMG can cause kills

[crystal moth]

I haven't tested all guns, because I hardly dislike the AK15.
There are other people who can give better feedback on that

[tropic apex]

Scar and AK15 are both really strong as they kill with 3 shots as standard

But if you try to spray at long range, of course they feel bad. You should tap fire and not spray like a monkey

[crystal moth]

yea, but their recoil his awefull

[crystal moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwjADvpCRw

[tropic apex]

???? Whaat???

[crystal moth]

And what range I SHOULD play is a different thing, to what distances will be played

[tropic apex]

Why are you playing with a 3x zoom scope????

[crystal moth]

because its more effective?!

[tropic apex]

I'm done

Use a short range sight and play AR up to 100 meters. Want longer range -> play DMR or tap fire

[crystal moth]

Why?

[tropic apex]

3x zoom on AR is a meme, Oki himself said that nobody should use those

[simple cargo]

You can use the AK74 to shoot at targets 150M away, but the SCARH/AK15/DMR/SR is more effective

[crystal moth]

Than it shouldn't be an option

[tropic apex]

It should

For people who tap-fire

[crystal moth]

you dont need to tap-fire if the gun is very accurate.
And yes I also do tap-fire

but not on single fire mode

If thats unintended game design... than it should get looked into

[tropic apex]

Man

[crystal moth]

from what I can see, 3x scope on AR with an Red dot on top is the most effective way to play, at least for me

[tropic apex]

You try to use the guns in ways they were not intended to be used

[crystal moth]

Well, because they are better that way

If thats unintentional gamedesign, that it should be looked into

[simple cargo]

this look like

[crystal moth]

if it isnt expect people to play it

[tropic apex]

What I mean is

AR's are for 20 to 100 meters

You play them at 150 meters

It doesnt work that way

So your feedback is from a weird perspective

[crystal moth]

Apperently it is, because there is a gamedesign flaw

and what is intended and what player will do, are 2 completly different things

[tropic apex]

...

I'm leaving the thread

[crystal moth]

Let's say, you have a SMP which is a laser beam, and has no dmg fall off, but only 1x scopes.
Do you think, because its an SMP, it wont get used by players who want to win, that they shoot people on long range distances?

Gamedesign and outcome are 2 different things

[solemn cosmos]

Just so you know, the "Hard hitting AK" that you're used to is called, in this game, the AK15.

The AK74 is a lot more similar to the M4 than to the AK15 and, in my opinion, I think it should be swapped for the AK12 which falls more in line with the setting and it's easier to balance due to it having a similar rpm to the M4

[crystal moth]

wouldnt be against that

[solemn cosmos]

Most "Solid" ARs that you mentioned are just godawful, what are you on about?

SCAR-H is basically a DMR
AK-15 is just a better SCAR-H
ACR is a bad M4
SG550 is an even worse M4 with much higher recoil, muzzle flare and much lower damage.
G36 is just an M4 with low accuracy
AUG is one of the top 3 worst weapons in the game with the airsoft-like bullet velocity, EXCESSIVE muzzle flare and laughable low RPM (ttk is high even with the heavy barrel lmao)
FAMAS is just outright the worst weapon in the game with awful acc, low ammo count, high recoil and high ttk on top of that.

[crystal moth]

Yea I might have missed to say, that I tested all weapons with attachments, on how I would use them.
(Quick-A Mag, B25 URK, both because faster reload, and either the tactical barrel, flash hider or heavy barrel)

But I'm actually glad to hear that people feel different about those guns, because it means they have a good usecase for other people. Just not for my playstyle.

Horrizontal recoil is the most important thing to get taimed, at that makes it more accurate for me (because dragging down the mouse is easier, than wiggling it IMO)

[solemn cosmos]

Oh, trust me, I've tried using all of these weapons and I must say:
Only the m4 and the ak15 are remotely balanced; The HK419 and the ak74 are meta cuz of heavy barrel 3stk.
All the other ARs are worse versions of the good ones and most are just horrible.

[crystal moth]

Glad you confirm the 3 hit kill.

Even the SG550? I mean yea, it jumps from side to side, but the reload speed, the fire rate, the consistent dmg at range? But yea 4 hit kill...

[solemn cosmos]

I tell you a funny story

I tried the ssg, got over 400 kills with it.
I suffered a lot, but I persisted long enough to unlock the flash hider and make the weapon remotely useful.
Turns out the recoil and the damage are still shit, and I couldn't really rack up kills as much as the guys from avalon were.
Then, with about 25% of time left in the match, I switched to the STOCK M4 and MAGICALLY started killing people left and right, and I rose from 10th place, ~35kills to almost 3rd with over 70 kills.

I basically performed 3x better after swapping from the SG550 to the M4.

magically

[crystal moth]

yeiks...
Well seeing how imbalanced the weapons are, I believe that

thanks

[honest shale]

looks like wrong grip and deff the wrong scope, and of course it will bounce if you dont control it

[honest shale]

a tip when using the ak at 100+ range is to shoot low on the first round to let the rifle do its kick and then control the up force a bit, people way better then me are hitting long shots so easy, Stick with the Kobra sight. Medium scopes is like going on a bouncy castle and turns rifle into sloppy spaghetti hehe

[winter locust]

this is a dogshit setup issue

[stiff crystal]

wtf is this suggestion

[honest shale]

ak74 for range 80+ and p90 for 80-

[winter locust]

not even using vert grip and still 4 kills worth

[neat bough]

sick music

[neat bough]

sg high recoil? not really.. its just a faster and weaker m4

[winter locust]

https://youtu.be/tOWhMkBP24g

[neat bough]

nice

[solemn cosmos]

higher recoil than the M4, and a considerable horizontal one

[neat bough]

ye true, I just wish it was better

[winter locust]

at least its an ar and not a copy past mp5 in the smg tree

[neat bough]

agh I wonder if its gonna be buffed some day