deep totem
-Now there's no more "armor damage", which effectively nerfed snipers and the Unica really hard, but buffed the Fal and the G36 (Snipers can't one-shot exo helmet and need 3 bullets to kill through exo armor)
-It basically works as extra hp but only if struck directly to the hitbox
-Armors are still BUGGED in ffa where armor of enemies of the same nation will block 100% of the damage ALWAYS (See the unica example: 2hp armor blocking 60 damage)
@potent root since you're awake
bleak garnet
Slightly increasing the HS multiplier of snipers should be able to fix some of the balance issues.
Some snipers might not be able to oneshot supports to the head anymore.
deep totem
Slightly increasing the HS multiplier of snipers should be able to fix some of t...
NO sniper 
ok, maybe the m200 with the heavy barrel
But I don't have it
obtuse halo
No its good nerf
bleak garnet
acoustic tulip
if it's just the one support set of armor that can survive a headshot then that's pretty good
deep totem
if it's just the one support set of armor that can survive a headshot then that'...
yes
Actually
uhh
bleak garnet
Only the heaviest set of armor can do that, no?
acoustic tulip
how much is the heaviest helmet?
deep totem
if the sniper deals ~60 damage then the 25 hp helmet can block as well
deep totem
how much is the heaviest helmet?
37
bleak garnet
Only support can use it. 37 yeah.
acoustic tulip
yeah the L96 maxes out at 135 damage with hbar
cool
that's actually pretty neat, even as recon main I'm not gonna complain because now that helmet just became very powerful
inb4 all snipers get 2.0x hs multiplier
tepid gale
No its good nerf
i agree with this
acoustic tulip
it will probably push even more snipers into using the m200, inshallah it will be nerfed
obtuse halo
There will be new reason to play support.
To be bulletproof
acoustic tulip
There will be new reason to play support.
To be bulletproof
yeah this too, which is cool
support as the tanky slow dude works for me tbh, it's a fairly decent niche
frail lance
have you guys tested regular armour yet @deep totem ?
sweet rock
W info
deep totem
have you guys tested regular armour yet <@207568776609136640> ?
It's all normal, you can do the math yourself
we just wanted to make sure it was consistent and show how much the snipers/unica got nerfed
and the bug, ofc
acoustic tulip
intredasting
deep totem
the weakest one will leave you with 4hp though
acoustic tulip
12 armor?
deep totem
yes
acoustic tulip
hm
deep totem
Deagle deals 108 to the head
deep totem
I honestly think they should be higher for the hand cannons, they even have their own category in-game
lethal dust
increase hs multiplier for snipers and pistols tbh
frail lance
pistols? you insane?
lethal dust
yes
clever trellis
M200 still 1 shots exos with heavy barrel
So ecks dee an indirect buff to the already meta sniper
potent root
@deep totem that seems fine
There is no longer separate armor damage, wasn't intended to be already
When you play support, you lose heavily speed
you should gain from armor perspective
TTK would be much more stable since there is no armor - body damage seperation
shut coral
So ecks dee an indirect buff to the already meta sniper <:HyperXD:62261981049205...
yeah kinda agree, the fact that the heavy barrel buffs bullet speed too is op
night dagger
So sniper is bad now against armour and support actually has a use, also no helmet is no longer meta?
acoustic tulip
m200 nerf m200 nerf m200 nerf
inshallah it will be nerfed
pulsar estuary
Slightly increasing the HS multiplier of snipers should be able to fix some of t...
maybe controversial, but I agree with the top statement
acoustic tulip
either that or perhaps the m200's strength should be reevaluated, lower bullet velocity but keep high damage, or lower damage
would be really nice to have it brought more in line with the other rifles
hasty junco
Damn support is a living tank xd
clever trellis
support armor when they have to fight more than 1 guy \
deep totem
<@207568776609136640> that seems fine
Yeah, but what about the ffa bug?
deep totem
So ecks dee an indirect buff to the already meta sniper <:HyperXD:62261981049205...
Dee
All that time wasted on the l96
clever trellis
All that time wasted on the l96
fr fr
hasty junco
Its my most used sniper 😭
slim totem
-Now there's no more "armor damage", which effectively nerfed snipers and the Un...
I'm an exo main now
Fuck snipers
Idgaf if i have to be slow af
deep totem
No more being sniper bait.
M200 still oneshots 💀
M200 more meta than it already was lmao
bleak garnet
I'm okay with it the way it is now, since it's only supports that'll be able to take a shot to the head.
hasty junco
why is the m200 rank 32 wtf
with the 10x exp tests everyone is like rank 70 dokhsoi0jh[fh
should be rank 80 or smth
deep totem
make the BV to 1
Fun fact: the bullet velocity can be changed on the fly but it's all kinds of bugged.
If you set it to "very low", the bullets become hitscan but with 20x more drop, so you have to aim super high
night dagger
Wait so it’s hitscan if the velocity is very low and you like zero end it so like if a guy 50 meters away your zero end is 1000m?
deep totem
Wait so it’s hitscan if the velocity is very low and you like zero end it so lik...
Basically
It feels like the weapons are shooting down but with hypersonic bullets.
Even the tandem is affected.
But if you go the other way and increase the velocity, things work normally and the drop on the tandem is literally the same, it's just faster.
Either way, the velocity only increases, it never decreases for some reason
potent root
Fun fact: the bullet velocity can be changed on the fly but it's all kinds of bu...
How do you change bullet velocity on fly?
There is no such a thing as 'changing velocity while alive'
Changing zeroing only changes the angle, not velocity, now I wonder how did you made it up
potent root
I miss the old acr when it had 800rpm
ACR never had 800RPM
hasty junco
it was ether 750 or 800
hasty junco
really?
potent root
You guys are seriously making up stuff lol
hasty junco
I swear it had faster rpm
potent root
I swear it had faster rpm
Show me, when lol
deep totem
How do you change bullet velocity on fly?
There's a parameter that Goim was messing with while the server was live and it was messing up the bullet trajectories.
Either reducing or increasing the variable only increased the velocity, but changed the drop accordingly.
potent root
It had more bullets I believe, we changed it.
potent root
There's a parameter that Goim was messing with while the server was live and it ...
bullet speed is admin tool I use for testing, not meant for community nor testing bullet velocities
deep totem
It was so funny having basically hitscan bullets, but having to aim super high to hit anything
deep totem
bullet speed is admin tool I use for testing, not meant for community nor testin...
I know, I just said that it can be done and it's funny
hasty junco
no one used acr back then its all m4 and ak ogjkiodjhrfh
potent root
Stop making stuff up lol
hasty junco
I guess I have dementia
potent root
It's not only you lol
I make an update about some backend changes, some of you ask why something is buffed or nerfed. No It wasn't changed at all, I write it down if its the case on #dev-wip
I normally do ignore and don't mind but hearing that shit from people I actually do listen hurts and makes me think one more time next time when you guys suggest something
hasty junco
oldest pic I could find is this, but it doesn't show ehh whatever
hasty junco
I normally do ignore and don't mind but hearing that shit from people I actually...
it do be like that sometimes
hasty junco
the acr did 30 armor dmg before update, now it does 25 so its a nerf but not a huge one
hasty junco
I miss the old acr when it had 800rpm
by old I ment 2019-2020 acr
bleak garnet
How do you change bullet velocity on fly?
Console command to change bullet speed, I was testing the commands while testing the linux version. All commands seemed to work fine, besides the set fps one.
Only startup commands worked for the fps of the server.
frail lance
Oki its fun to make shit up
sinful sleet
"-It basically works as extra hp but only if struck directly to the hitbox"
Can someone clarify this for me?
as opposed to being struck where?
What is the difference?
midnight cove
like if you have an armor plate on the chest getting hit in the chest works as extra hp but getting hit in the legs wont
I guess
sinful sleet
Oh.
Good update
Does that mean the "armor damage" category in gun stats is removed?
sly star
Yes
sly star
It’s easier for ttk and stk calculators, that’s for sure
sinful sleet
Damage was too convoluted before imo, harder to balance when there is different armor HPs
definitely.
deep totem
Damage was too convoluted before imo, harder to balance when there is different ...
It wasn't even supposed to be like that
it was just an oversight
Oki's version of the game was different
midnight cove
hope the m200 was also just an oversight
sinful sleet
hope the m200 was also just an oversight
What's wrong with it?
deep totem
What's wrong with it?
It's the only sniper capable of 1-shotting the exo helmet
thought you need the heavy barrel for that
midnight cove
it's extremely anyoing with that bullet speed and dmg that you can't counter with any normal rifle
being forced to play sniper just so you can kill that one guy in the enemy backline is not cool
deep totem
it's extremely anyoing with that bullet speed and dmg that you can't counter wit...
You can counter pretty easily
midnight cove
how?
deep totem
smokes, movement, cover, getting closer, battle rifles
many ways
if they're so far away that you can't reach them, they're not doing anything in the first place
sinful sleet
Is the exo helmet the support class helmet?
bleak garnet
Yep.
sinful sleet
I always thought support was annoyingly hard to kill
bleak garnet
Not really. Support is slow and very easy to counter.
midnight cove
smokes are a temporary solution which works in some cases but it's not really a counter but just a 'you don't get shot for 10 sec'. getting close and cover is basically impossible depending on the map
bleak garnet
I honestly have more trouble with full speed engis and medics.
sinful sleet
Not really. Support is slow and very easy to counter.
I didn't say I have issues countering it
they just take an annoying amount of ammo to kill lol
bleak garnet
'annoyingly hard', it's not hard at all. But yeah, it takes more ammo than other classes, if you don't aim for weak spots.
midnight cove
support and medics are fine but I really hate the m200 on certain maps
sinful sleet
you're funny Goim
bleak garnet
I'm the funniest.
sly star
@deep totem Thought you might be interested, but I got confirmation from Oki that bullet drop is interpolated
From what i believe, this is a unity AnimCurve.EaseInOut
deep totem
<@207568776609136640> Thought you might be interested, but I got confirmation fr...
I saw that, though idk what "interpolated" refers to
deep totem
I know what interpolation IS, I just don't understand in what way it is used to calculate bullet damage drop-off
sly star
Okay so basically Oki sets two points for all the weapons: (1) a point where the damage is 100%, and (2) a point where the damage is less than 100% (for ARs it's 35%). Then he uses interpolation between those points to calculate the damage dropoff as it changes from the max (100%) to the min (whatever he sets, like ARs which are 35%)
That creates the graph as shown above
So like, for instance, an M4A1 starts dropoff at (x1, y1)=(50, 30) and ends dropoff at (x2, y2)=(300, 10.5)
10.5 is 35% of 30
Then everything in between is interpolated
deep totem
Then everything in between is interpolated
Leaving the heavy lifting to the game itself I see lmao
sly star
Yeah, makes it a lot easer
So the issue is that I'm trying to recreate each equation for each weapon
So I need to know how it's interpolated
sinful sleet
I'm the funniest.
why would I aim at someones arm tho that's fucking dumb lol
bleak garnet
why would I aim at someones arm tho that's fucking dumb lol
Because there's no armor there.
sinful sleet
I guess
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