theres no point in using the medium range scopes on ARs

[shy perch]

title

[cosmic rivet]

True and confirmed

[modest schooner]

@shy perch get better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy perch]

wtf

[modest schooner]

Joke aside, nobody uses medium range scopes on ARs and SMGs in shooter games, if you are using, you are weird already, games gives you to option to use it however, there is no point making this post since it's known by everyone @shy perch

[serene agate]

Idk man slip is nice

It's a 3x I think?

I have a shitty 1680x1050 monitor from 2008 can't see shit past 70m

On the scar h they are pretty good

[dense nebula]

I often use a low magnification medium scope on ak-74

[austere gate]

You played any other games other than your own recently? Medium range scopes are very popular in Warzone, Siege, and some of the Battlefields. And it especially makes sense given the size of some of the maps.

[unique hill]

I used Acog with Scar H, but I was tagetting 300+m players with it, on semi

Currently, I'm using HK419, with red dot

[modest schooner]

I played heavily Bf4 - Bf1 - Squad. COD's recoil almost not exist, of course you can use med range, not in battlebit with larger recoil, it will be very difficult to use it, @shy perch is complaining he can't control it with big recoil, and I am stating that is how it supposed to be.

I wont lower the recoil just so you guys can use med range on ARs

Either get better or don't use it at all

[serene agate]

is he using full auto spraying

[median robin]

Use Fal with with acog in full auto

[serene agate]

I 2 shot burst

[modest schooner]

I only played COD 2019, recoil wasn't exist compared to Squad or Battlebit

of course people will use med scopes on ARs if recoil is easy

[median robin]

Most weapons are endurable to full auto with an acog in use

[serene agate]

idk .

what gun was he using ?

val ?

thats all he uses anyway

[median robin]

Val has pretty high vert. Recoil

He uses HK in some of his video, which has the least amount of vertical recoil

[modest schooner]

Warzone has super low recoil, it's pretty much not exist.

R6 is an competitive game where bullets are extremely accurate on first shots and TTK is super low which makes all weapons sort of an DMR since you can 1 tap people.

The games you compared as from game design and game loop is different.

[austere gate]

Those are all fair points. Just wish they were a bit more accurate at ranges but hey its your game lol

[modest schooner]

They are accurate

Weapons on Battlebit is super accurate lol

pretty much they are laser

We had problems with people ability to kill people with ARs like snipers because of accuracy

Eventually we increased the bullet's damage drop over distance but accuracy left alone

[unique hill]

515m..

semi with Acog

[modest schooner]

Scar can be used as an DMR

So yes you can use Acog with it

but wouldn't be good idea with auto

[unique hill]

It's uncontrollable with acog

for me at least

[modest schooner]

Good, you shouldn't able to beam people with full auto with ARs already

What is the point of DMRs and Snipers if you can just beam with people with ARs across map and control the weapon

[unique hill]

No no, I understand that, which is why it was always in semi, I even did cqb with it in semi too

[serene agate]

hehe

[unique hill]

Scar also?

[austere gate]

Maybe a mounting feature that provides better recoil control for auto at longer distances but have it animation lock you for a period of time between transitions

[serene agate]

ye

long time ago tho

[modest schooner]

All weapons has characteristics, stop suggesting making one weapon serves all cases

[unique hill]

Yeah pre-nerf it was great 😛

[modest schooner]

I was talking about general, not this post only

[austere gate]

An AR is that weapon irl though but I understand the need for balance

Full auto m4 is a beam

not at 500m obviouly but out to a distance

[modest schooner]

This is a game, we have multiple weapons, each must has pros and cons

[unique hill]

I've now switched to the HK419, as I can actually control that on full auto better..

[modest schooner]

On conquest I play m4, on small map, I play honey badger

SMG for smaller maps, med maps AR, sort of camping maps, sniper (m200)

[unique hill]

I like the P90 for CQB mostly, AS Val was fun too

I'm waiting to see if Larry adds my suggestion of the PDRC..

as I just like the way it looks

.<

[shy perch]

i’m not complaining 😅 i’m just saying that maybe adding some inbetween zoom options to make sights feel more customizable

[serene agate]

try the slip

[median robin]

Slip is perfect if you want a little more zoom than the pkas

[fading coral]

This is incredibly wrong

[shy perch]

^

idk i feel like there’s too much sway and random bloom recoil on the medium scopes

to the point there’s actually no use

[analog yacht]

I do not use medium range scopes on ARs and SMGs in shooter games

[modest schooner]

You are controller user, how have no right to talk xD

[modest schooner]

And you are COD player which you are used to low recoil.

[shy perch]

damnnnn

i wouldn't take that if i were you

[modest schooner]

He plays with controllers

[shy perch]

oki

what r ur thoughts on my other suggestion

[modest schooner]

I don't know your other suggestions

this one is not a suggestions actually

[shy perch]

this is feedbacjk

suggestion abt

[modest schooner]

just a statement saying, recoil is too much for med scopes on weapons

[shy perch]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1058859250765529168

this suggestion

[modest schooner]

Never

[shy perch]

damn.

[modest schooner]

People already saying, how did I get shot

[shy perch]

😭

[modest schooner]

on top adding that would be super confusing and more destructive

Just because it's cool doesn't make it a better game

[shy perch]

true

[serene agate]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1058752982516236420 fix armors oki

[modest schooner]

intended

[serene agate]

oh thats a weird system but alr

xd

[modest schooner]

@serene agate
@shy perch
Sounds like skill issue honestly, only thing I can suggest is just get better.

[serene agate]

ay I didn't say its bad or shit

its just weird xd

[modest schooner]

That ain't the case lol, I uploaded the video literally shows it's not the case

[serene agate]

oh what about this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058752982516236420/1058752983531278376/Armor_is_bugged_actually_tested.mp4

idk they tested stuff is this false too?

ah ok

[modest schooner]

Armor damage is applied to light vehicles, not players tho

The video is wrong or shipped version is wrong

the damage system shouldn't suppose to work like that

[median robin]

If its only applies to vehicles isnt the text is on weapon stats misleading?

[modest schooner]

Checking the code now, vehicle damage was LV Damage

Light Vehicle Damage
Heavy Vehicle Damage

Armor damage was used for like drones, MDX, rally points etc

[placid basin]

It has been working like that for the longest time though

That's why I said "it's broken"

[modest schooner]

Armor damage is not actually for armors, it was shifted to other things like

[serene agate]

I think this was during the playtest ? naro will confirm if it is

[modest schooner]

Only thing I can think is shipped version is wrong somehow

[placid basin]

Something IS clearly wrong though, but I could never test it

[modest schooner]

because that's not how it suppsed to work

[static badger]

But I do use medium-range scopes on ARs, rarely on SMGs
—Only because I go for more marksman-style gameplay.

[placid basin]

I only realised it's wrong a long time ago cuz I wasn't able to one-tap with the deagle for a long time.

[modest schooner]

You are weird

[static badger]

Ty

[modest schooner]

I literally posted a video above, that proves that's not the case

but you guys recorded video that proves that's the case

Ok found it lmfo

[serene agate]

oh?

[modest schooner]

Because I named it Armor damage but it was actually reserved for Drones - MDX etc other stuff, It seems I am using that value for armors on shipped version but in editor code, it uses body damage as base.

[placid basin]

Yeah, the unica was dealing 90 damage and that damage is the one that would bleed, so if you'd shoot a helmet that had less than 8 hp left, you could one-tap.

[modest schooner]

So it's my fault I named it badly and for testing purpose like 2-3 year ago, I left a code that uses armor damage for testing purpose but in editor code it doesn't use thatr

[static badger]

so all this time, I could've been doing more damage all along?

[modest schooner]

yea

[placid basin]

So a massive oversight?

[static badger]

[placid basin]

I mean, it happens

[modest schooner]

I will remove the armor damage section since it was pitched for only rallies - mdx etc

[placid basin]

But I've been saying that armors were broken for a long time and nobody listened 😭

[modest schooner]

I will push the update soon, you guys can test it again with @signal kayak

[placid basin]

[static badger]

Also, why do enemies players trigger Anti-vehicle mines on foot?

[modest schooner]

Now it's only damage

[signal kayak]

👍

[modest schooner]

Do you have proof?

[static badger]

I wish I could record

[modest schooner]

Just tested, yea it does trigger

[static badger]

i knew i wasnt going insane

[modest schooner]

Will fix and push to live version

[placid basin]

About this thread:
I use a medium scope on the ak15 👍 really useful

[signal kayak]

This went off topic pretty hard.

[static badger]

you monster

good

[signal kayak]

It was useful lol

[signal kayak]

[keen skiff]

well alot of people dont have the ability to test that
so what you did was good damn work!

[main void]

i use Sniper scopes on Famas

[static badger]

wtf

that's illegal

[reef kelp]

@modest schooner are you gonna address the class "problem". Assault class seem useless while medic is overpowered. Will you adress those issues or let it slide as you like the way it is.

[static badger]

I advocate for medic being as medic is

[modest schooner]

There is nothing such as class problem lol. Support just needs more love, that's it lol

[keen skiff]

assault is useless?
look at squad leader class xD

[lime reef]

SL class best class wdym play

[keen skiff]

xD

[static badger]

and support is op with all that armor

[modest schooner]

Assault has its own gadgets, medic is most popular because of medickit, SQ is reserved for some gamemodes (more hardcore)

[keen skiff]

its just better assault thats limited to one xD

[lime reef]

give support more love

[main void]

im sure doki have other things to work on, armor, weapons and balancing comes later? But, what's more important is buffing Famas.

[keen skiff]

yeah what i figured SQL would be more for

[main void]

Doki read what i said

its important

[modest schooner]

SQ is pretty much reserved for hardcore gameplay

[lime reef]

yep

[main void]

also dont give support any love

[keen skiff]

^

[lime reef]

you dont get any love

[signal kayak]

Facts

[keen skiff]

keep just 2 LMGs

[lime reef]

no fuck you i need more guns to use in support 😠

[main void]

Jellisy shat up

u gotta know that u have skill issues rn

[lime reef]

who? not my name sorry

[signal kayak]

Support only having two main guns is what's keeping a lot of people from playing it more.

[main void]

it is

its in your name

[signal kayak]

[lime reef]

🤓

[main void]

What we need, is the balance of Battlebit

[keen skiff]

last i recall
any new content like LMG's are for early access

so well have to wait

[main void]

and Doki needs to work what benefits the best of Early access

so Support stuff should be at bottom

Famas at top

[keen skiff]

(please wait till like 3 months after EA to add LMG's)

[modest schooner]

I play assault (medic) in Bf4 all the time, does that make engineer-support- recon useless class? No. having medickit is more preferred for most people so it's choosen.

[lime reef]

famas on my foot

[main void]

it's because people usually rush how they play and play how they are not suppose to do

[signal kayak]

[main void]

like u said doki, it heavily depends on how the maps, gamemodes

are

[static badger]

when i'm playing with teammates, they're always crying about the lack of ammo

[main void]

ya then there should be a supporter among them

[lime reef]

rushing is the only way to play games

[static badger]

Assault is literally just a lighter Support class

[main void]

then why cry over some classes are worse than the other ones?

[static badger]

minus the lmg

[signal kayak]

Problem is that nobody wants to play support at the moment. But thankfully I don't have that issue much, it seems like recon is the most affected class by the lack of support though.

Since they run out of ammo quickly.

[modest schooner]

You have grappling hook on assault for example, if you are a monkey, that gadget is essential

[lime reef]

did i cry??? wut you talking about

[signal kayak]

Riot shield is the best one.

Anything else is heresy.

[main void]

dont u read what i said? I never said it was you im sayin the whole convo we are having.

people want support to be buff because it's useless

i think support rn is really good for the ammo supply

[static badger]

Parkour?

[modest schooner]

I call them monkey

[signal kayak]

[lime reef]

i read it? well il probly ping you in the battlebitches server to send some .... to you

im not going to say it here

im triggered yes

[signal kayak]

It makes me think of maquia jumping like a monkey while dunking on me.

[static badger]

its useless? Support has enough armor to 1v1 most classes

[main void]

idk man the armor for that class still gets vaporized by as val so im not sure how to counter that

[signal kayak]

Problem with support at the moment is lack of content.

A lot of people like the class.

In my clan there's even a few support mains, but some are playing other classes mostly because of the lack of weapons.

[static badger]

add that with the 2-shot lmg, and you have a machine that just ends up on the leaderboards within seconds

[signal kayak]

The movement speed is a big downside to having that much armor, but I think that's a fair tradeoff, considering how many shots you're able to endure.

[main void]

can supporters only wear heavily armor?

[lime reef]

no

they could wear something lighter

[static badger]

"normal" armor

[signal kayak]

They don't get the same speed as medic or engi, but they can get much faster.

[static badger]

and the santa hat

[modest schooner]

#dev-wip

[main void]

doki any weapon patch, update or whatever soon?

[modest schooner]

for what reason

[keen skiff]

i think one of the issues is how plentiful health is in those games+regen (if your on core modes)

the healthboxes/ammoboxes in BBR
it feels like no one knows theyre on the ground unless you point it out to a huge group (mainly healthboxes though this applies to ammo too)
and you dont need to look at the healthbox and hit F and or press a switch weapon key in those games to restock ammo/supplies

medics on the big playtests are basically useless and never heal even when asked (thought they probably need to learn/just started playing) lol (MED are true medics who heal!!)

BUT in BF4 healthboxes are everywhere so you can regen without need of a medic near by most of the time
and the AOE the box has so you dont need to focus on the box itself which keeps it a bit more fast paced

tho i personally like how the ammo/healthboxes are in BBR as is and health system
but im more taking this in a perspective of the other side in a way
again i like the current system but i do think classes need some type of tweak of some sort (not sure what but maybe more passive stuff?)

tho all that could be skill issue on new players not knowing mechanics yet at all xD

[modest schooner]

#969496120478818334 message

[keen skiff]

yeah saw that awhile ago which would be really helpful
but still am iffy on the model of the box even with a UI change

but will wait to see what you come up with for the UI before judging

[fallen hinge]

🤨

if the scar-h doesn't shoot in the face with two bullets...

[placid basin]

It makes me think of my deleted video and sinitrix

[lime reef]

do you still have the clips 🤨

[keen skiff]

you gave up with youtube TOS?

[lean zodiac]

[lime reef]

whaaa?

[placid basin]

Yes

[placid basin]

Nah, the save just got fucked cuz of the windows reinstall and the font that I used, so all the text got resized and I don't have the patience to fix it lmao

[keen skiff]

ah

[reef steeple]

Ngl. This makes a big deal in the game balance

[fallen hinge]

eagle oneshot in helmet now ?

[lean zodiac]

equal damage so nope

unless oki is pushing unfucked armor hp goofiness

[placid basin]

No

The only weapons that will be changed are those that have different armor and normal damage values

So, from the top of my head:
Fal
Unica
M249
Groza
All snipers

[reef steeple]

Long barrel

[signal kayak]

If your favourite weapon is on this list, thank naro for the nerf. You're welcome.

[reef steeple]

lmao

[placid basin]

The Fal got buffed though lmao

[signal kayak]

[placid basin]

All the others got nerfed

[reef steeple]

Fal is meta now

[signal kayak]

Anyway, brb.

[fallen hinge]

The val needs nerf

[static badger]

deagle has always been oneshot to the head. regardless of armor damage.

[fallen hinge]

no, he didn't

[serene agate]

Are you assuming the deagle's gender ??1?

[fallen hinge]

wha??7?7?

[serene agate]

Xd

[static badger]

what are you on about? It's shit. It's got stupid ADS recoil patterns ⇾ Inaccurate af at medium range + decreased damage.

the difference is that EVERYONE LOVES IT because it is suppressed out of the box.

so you have more people rushing you with it

just like how you have at least 60 people on either side main-ing with an AK74 or M4A1

its not OP, there's just more of it.

So you die to it more.

[fallen hinge]

You can start shooting at the person c val first. You can shoot exactly at the head of the person with val
You can play as a sniper at 1000 meters and hit a person in the head with val

but you will NEVER kill him faster than he kills you, even if you go first.

I basically don't die much, because I play on QD and in safe places, but 99% of the time I will be outgunned by Val, Sniper or a grenade

also, 0.75MS TO KILL MAN

autor FloppyCDdrive

A normal person has a reaction time of 200-250ms, a trained person has 170ms, cybersportsmen's have 120-150ms. It is impossible to outshoot an as-val if you don't play as-val

[reef steeple]

That doesn’t account for bullet velocity

Or varying armor

Or damage dropoff

[fallen hinge]

If the bullet speed was like Groza, then this parameter could still be counted, but no, Val has a very high bullet speed

The drop in damage can also be ignored. You're not shooting with a conditional Kriss vector at 100+ meters, are you?)

[reef steeple]

As val is 560 m/s velocity

So you’re correct

[fallen hinge]

Val needs nerf

[reef steeple]

One note is that the damage starts to dropoff at 50m

But since it’s 35dmg you have a bit of buffer

Idk how bbr interpolates the dropoff so I can’t be accurate as to where it’s still effective

Also it’s different with headshot mult

[median robin]

if you select val it's like you choosing peaceful difficulty mode in minecraft

[static badger]

I'm not complaining, I play marksman at almost any range

all I need is a deagle

[median robin]

very good!

[lean zodiac]

i play sniper at point blank

[static badger]

exactly

[lean zodiac]

i also fucking hate it

[static badger]

no need for ads or a laser beam

just click

and if you're running around with a REM700: Red Dot + Laser makes it a shotgun

with slugs

[median robin]

I feel like I need to add an addition to Ren's paragraphs, which is you can kill an Val user but only when they are unable to use their weapon (I.e if they are healing themselves, reloading, or out of ammo)
If they have their weapon out, ready to use, you have no chance to outgun them only if you get creative with grenade or you use an as-val too, which is not that great :/

Val needs damage reduction and if Oki is going to add back the armour system, make the val's armour damage to be 10-20 because that ammo flies quiet slow because, you know it is a subsonic ammo.

[static badger]

am I the only one who uses REM700 like a shotgun?

[fallen hinge]

use msr

[static badger]

no

a boom stick should go boom

[fallen hinge]

msr has the highest speed on the second shot. I mean, you will make the second shot faster than on a conditional m200

[static badger]

idc, damage output + scare factor

[reef steeple]

is he going to?

[median robin]

We don't know he probably won't going to get into that.

[fallen hinge]

wha

[lean zodiac]

val is made to fuck armor

[median robin]

good and?

[lean zodiac]

you said it should have low armor damage because its subsonic

🗿

[median robin]

yes because this is a game 💀

[lean zodiac]

and games are a lie

[median robin]

indeed, nice observation

[wispy pollen]

Just leave us the option to use it. Doesn't mean we have to. Better to have the option than to take it away.

[fading coral]

I play plenty of games that have no aim assist

Before the damage range on SMGs was killed I used medium range scopes on them as well and semi auto fire. I previously had a 2kd in BattleBit and most of that was from AK74 with a medium range scope.

I’m not a “COD Player”

[modest schooner]

@fading coral You have been begging for shotguns since I met you

[fading coral]

Because shotguns are fun

[modest schooner]

I know there is a 'COD Player' inside you see12

That toxic lobby killer

I know it's inside you hidden

[fading coral]

People that complain about shotguns are just bad

[modest schooner]

away from publicity

[fading coral]

It’s a skill issue

[signal kayak]

[modest schooner]

[fading coral]

I have more time on Hardcore BF4 than any CoD game lol

[serene agate]

add a pump shotgun and for each pump you have to click extra, just like on the sniper's bolt

[fading coral]

I haven’t mentioned shotguns in months, he just knew the controller/CoD comment was nonsense 😂

[serene agate]

xd

[analog yacht]

you used to have 2kd?

but not anymore?

[fading coral]

I rarely play, and when I do I just kinda fuck around

[analog yacht]

ok

[fading coral]

It’s like 1.8 now or something

[analog yacht]

pls refrain from making comments like this in future

thank you

[fading coral]

Skill issue

[analog yacht]

you rarely play

[fading coral]

Doesn’t matter

[analog yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-twitch-emote-bttv-gif-18722020

[median robin]

The man is spitting facts!

[fading coral]

skill issue

[median robin]

no, you spitting facts not him

I like shotguns too

[fading coral]

We good then

You’re now promoted to head of design

[median robin]

Ok

o7

[fading coral]

I want shotguns on my desk by lunch time.

[analog yacht]

pls refrain from making comments like this in future

[median robin]

I can't craft them, In my country its illegal to have such weapon as a civil

[analog yacht]

thank you

[median robin]

skill issue

[analog yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/boris-johnson-love-i-love-you-boris-my-beloved-i-love-boris-gif-19891928

[serene agate]

xdddddd

[fading coral]

Just put them in BBR

[median robin]

Xd

[median robin]

Convince oki

[fading coral]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-billy-madison-funny-insult-just-do-it-gif-15340470

[cosmic rivet]

wtf has this thread turned into?

[velvet cave]

in Semi Auto the scopes are alright, in full auto, even with bursts, you can't hit much.

And don't even get me started on if the target is moving xd

[signal kayak]

Nobody knows, it changed topics several times already.

Let's see how long it can keep going.

[fading coral]

Meanwhile we have point and click Snipers with little to no idle sway

[fallow zenith]

Said point and click snipers also are objectively inferior at all ranges except long rang-except for a few very skilled people, which I feel is fine to award their effort for learning to use sniper in cqc

[static badger]

The counter to shotguns are snipers

if you can't beat em, join em

[fallen hinge]

i use 3x-4x on almost all weapons. Just because I can't see any other way, my color reproduction on my monitor is too horrible

for example scar,ak15,sg550,ak74,g36,groza...

[radiant flicker]

I'm all about recon, I find the prisma and acog the best. Any others I should try?

[fallow zenith]

IDK your take on long range scopes, but I find using the 8x to quickscope at 100-200m is very nice; also works great if you know where enemy is and fast peak from cover

[radiant flicker]

Love em on big maps, use the 15x and a delta to switch and hit shots up 800-1000m a lot.

Medium has no glare and is cleaner for smaller maps

[fallow zenith]

was gonna suggest 15x with delta, but I see you are already there

[radiant flicker]

I really wish i could have the zeroing inc and dec on scroll without it changing sites. But also i'm having a weird problem where sometimes i get sway right after zooming in that doesn't go away even with full stamina.

[fallow zenith]

does your mouse have the side buttons for your thumb?

[radiant flicker]

Yeah i've got those bound already, been using alt but i might just change up my keybinds for it.

[fallow zenith]

If so, I use side buttons for increase and decrease zero respectively and use reserve scroll wheel for changing optics

[radiant flicker]

Also crazy thought but do top sights on high zoom scopes give off glint, i'd assume no but sometimes it seems that way.

[fallow zenith]

IDK, but this should totally be tested

because you can (if you don't run into idle sway issue) zoom in with high zoom scope at a target's head and change to the top or canted sight and the zero will stay, so shoot immediately and it will hit like you do for high zoom sight

[radiant flicker]

Do you know if crouch or prone changes sway cuz it seems like i can quickscope standing but id assume they should reduce it

[fallow zenith]

I'm not sure, but in my experience it does nothing to idle sway

only with bipod

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im basically doing that in reverse with the delta sight to spot other sniper glints and get my zero b4 using the 15x

[fallow zenith]

this might be smarter that the other way, lol

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Yeah i held off using the high zoom scopes until i realized i could do that.

You can line up shots first and stops you from getting tunnel vision

[fallow zenith]

i might try this

thank you for the tep

tip

when I unlock 40x, this will be quite fun...

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It's probably also good on medium scopes that have the top sight slot