Choices?

[weak kindle]

Currently I'm trying to make a server to play on with my friends, that range from 5-12 people on actively. The issue is that we previously used Shockbyte as the one who would host us. We wanted cobblemon initially, but the control panel was bugging up, so we went for a pixelmon reforged modpack for it at 1.16.5.

So the main issue is whether or not Bisect can hold Pixelmon without breaking up in lag, with the amount of players we have.

For Shockbyte, some info on what we were paying:

• They said that 6GB server from them, was enough for the modpack, the player count, and more. However, we went for 8GB just incase, and still it was lagging so much. Support was no help, as I was basically speaking with a bot that didn't really know how to help in the best way possible.
• Last night I bought an upgrade addon that adds $5 for CPU "High." Without notice, after paying for the upgrade, as everyone was lagging so much in game... Our server crashed without notice, and shut down without loading up. The server connected was lost, without anyway to start it up.

Because of this, we contacted the live chat, no response for transfers, and support ticket, with still no response. We've waited for 2 hours for the server, but still no luck. Finally 2 more hours after that, being 4:13am, it went up.

• Prior to the additional 2 hours, we decided to make a support ticket to get a refund (72 Hours or less for cancellation process), while also canceling the server. They responded very fast regarding this, realistically only 10 minutes. And accepted my response, because of this, my message is now being sent to the billing team now.

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TL;DR: Shockbyte messed up real hard, and it made the server crash for about 4 hours. We canceled with them, and here we are, trying to find a new server.

What I want to know, is if the server can REALLY hold up to 10 players, acively, for Pixelmon modpacks, or any other modpack we use. Will it be laggy? What package should we really use?

We're paying $30 with the addon, because of a deal, of 25% off from Shockbyte, next payment would be Feb 18th 2025, at $41 iirc. The package was Emerald Tier

This is all for shockbyte right now, and with 8GB storage, is full in 2 days with only 5-7 players.

So now we're trying to look for a better hosting server, that will communicate with us, help us if possible, or by the bare minimum, as Shockbyte's support is chronically poky.

[strong mesa]

Well, Bisect storage is unlimited with the usual asterisk of nothing is really unlimited.

If you've grown so large they're having trouble finding room for your neighbors, they'll reach out and ask you to trim up the world, delete old logs, etc.

[hot beacon]

As far as support and communication goes, they are awesome from personal experience

[strong mesa]

The hardware is also not differentiated. They have a range of CPUs, and initial assignment is random. But if it's insufficient for you they can get you shuffled around to something newer if that will help.

[hot beacon]

You should also be able to run pixelmon modpack fine, as long as you trim some things down a little it should run perfectly fine

[weak kindle]

would adding a world border be sufficient, as far as trimming goes?

[hot beacon]

you can do that but its not really needed, you can pre-generate the world, lower the simulation distance and limit some mobs and you should be good to go, you might not even need to limit the mobs

[weak kindle]

Is there a way to pre-generate the world? I initially thought that just players walking around the world, while loading its chunks would be enough, but on the opposite scale, it made it much worse. We'd get consistent lag spikes, and lag backs. Flying on pokemon would also cause lag backs, etc.

[hot beacon]

yes you can pre-generate worlds, you would have to add a mod on top of pixelmon to do it

[weak kindle]

Also, is this the simulation distance you were referring to? I'm looking on Shockbyte right now, but I do plan to move over to bisect. I also have the World File from Shockbyte that i had downlaoded zipped. Im wondering if I can transfer it to Bisect?

Including like the playerdata file, as we've made some progress, and would hope to keep, however if not- then the world would be enough for us

[hot beacon]

There are 2 on bisect. You can transfer all your stuff over if you want or you can start fresh

[weak kindle]

Do you also have any sort of recommendations when it comes down to using a mod to pre-generate the world. While looking into it, It said that If I used a world border, then to have it pre-generate within it with a command, then it'd help

[weak kindle]

Perfect, thank you very very much. Now as far as going with 5-10 players on actively, do you have any sort of ideal thought of what package is best suited for Pixelmon Modpacks, with the additional use of adding more addon mods, such as decor mods?

[hot beacon]

do you plan on using forge?

[weak kindle]

Yep

We plan to use CurseForge Modpacks

that we found on their website

[hot beacon]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/chunky-pregenerator-forge ok i recommend chunky, its what i use

[weak kindle]

Oh and, if I add this to the server's mod folder, would that mean everyone else would have to download this mod too, or could I just add it myself? and the server?

I'm assuming since this is moreso a server-side addition to a 'server' that only I, who needs the commands/mod, as well as the server. I would be able to get away with not having everyone download it. The same applies for whether or not I add a World Edit Mod

[hot beacon]

I recommend any pack that is in the range of 7-8gb, all the servers at bisect use mainly the same specs, you only pay more for RAM or features

[weak kindle]

Alright, I'll look into getting 8GB then, that's pretty much what I used for Shockbyte, but who wouldve thought I'd end up requestin a cancellation 2 days after, haha

If i bought additional RAM, would it help with the lag, if per chance- it isn't enough? I'm okay with paying, so long as I'm getting what I'm paid for.

[hot beacon]

For this everyone would need to download the pixelmom mod, however there are mods that are, client side and server and some just server side

[hot beacon]

Lag is mainly due to entities and other things in Minecraft, the best way to reduce this with entities is just by limiting the amount that spawn, you can always buy more RAM if you want and see if that changes anything

[weak kindle]

Would mods that increase fps, be server side or both? Or like World Edit/Chunky?

[weak kindle]

entities referring to like? pokemon that spawn per minute, or the amount that spawn in general? Or is it like items being left on the ground which cause more lag?

[hot beacon]

depends on the mod but, for chunky that can be either i think, world edit i think is mainly server side, (I havent tried world edit yet)

[hot beacon]

the amount that spawn in general, for example, 5 zombies spawn, you limit it to 5, if a 6th one tries it cant,

[weak kindle]

Is there a setting for this in the config, if I did it on bisect? I was trying to look on Shock, couldn't find it

[hot beacon]

There is another mod you can install that can give you a report on your world, it will tell you everything about the server, entity count, chunk count and what mods take up the most resources

[hot beacon]

no this is done by a mod that goes on the server

[weak kindle]

like one that erases the amount of pokemon out? I've seen in some pixelmon servers where after a certain amount of time, some pokemon wll disappear

same applies for items too

Also, I was looking into the options of what I should get, is there a significant difference for premium and budget?

[hot beacon]

https://www.bisecthosting.com/clients/index.php?rp=/knowledgebase/372/Differences-between-BisectHosting-Premium-and-Budget-servers.html here are the differences

[hot beacon]

yep

[weak kindle]

For the dedicated IP, does this mean it uses an IP that isn't your own IP home address?

[hot beacon]

That's correct but, I don't think either uses your own home IP, that would be very dangerous

[weak kindle]

And in your opinion, would the premium version be better, based on what it offers with locations, an ip port, backups, etc.?

[hot beacon]

For my case i need those features on my server, it depends on what you think would be needed

[weak kindle]

Tats true, given that each additions would benefit, at differ

[strong mesa]

The whole point of renting a server is it isn't at your house. So it never uses your home IP.

Dedicated just means you have it all to yourself, so people don't need to include the port when adding it to the game. Without you could be on port 67530 instead.

[weak kindle]

Oh, so in this case- I wouldn't need to make a subdomain for the server right?

[strong mesa]

You don't need to either way.

[weak kindle]

Alright, perfect tyty - Will go and make a decision rq

[hot beacon]

oh btw, BH has a ton of articles for tutorials on many things, if you get stuck take a look in there for anything you needhttps://www.bisecthosting.com/kb if after you are still stuck, pop a message in here and we can see if we can help, due note that this discord is community support

[oak parrot]

Also as a heads up since you were worried about support: bisect has staff 24/7/365. they tend to strive for replies or at least an update within minutes. Just right now it’s a bit slower as they have just migrated to a new support system which has its fair share of growing pains

[weak kindle]

Support wise

Despite you guys being a community runned support,

you guys responded way faster

Quite literally 20/30 minutes, whereas Im still waiting to hear back from Shockbyte, for an ongoing ticket about support with the server, at 2 days

They have yet to respond too

[strong mesa]

Yeah, this is the worst delays for official support since I have been a customer, and it's still measured in hours, not days.

[weak kindle]

Currently buying the 8gb premium

[strong mesa]

They had a massive multi-day outage from a contractor doing something shady (contractor has been fired) and support was still getting back to people in 2-3 hours.

[weak kindle]

Im all for spending as much as I need to, but I only hope that what I buy, will benefit rather than not benefit in the long run

[weak kindle]

i get that there was trouble arising, but even 2-3 hours is not bad at all

If Im waiting more than 48 hours for a response, that just isn't right. Because it also means my server is offline for 48 hours plus, whenever they do respond

[strong mesa]

15 minutes is what they shoot for.

[weak kindle]

because that response that im hoping for, 48+ hours in, and they still haven't fixed the server, idk

Server bought, thank you guys-- Would it be possible if I left this thread open? There are a lot of stuff that @hot beacon has helped with, that I would love to relook on

[oak parrot]

It could happen that something is hardware related, in which case they will have you transferred to staff with higher access to investigate, which could take longer to solve but you’ll be informed

[weak kindle]

It could be, but one of the most common practices in something like this is communication. If they aren't communicating their thoughts, their customers would've had not an idea

The least I expect from something like this, is support when it comes down to me purchasing something from someone

[hot beacon]

should be good 👍 @ me back in here if you need help with anything

[weak kindle]

Perfect, thank you guys so much! I appreciate all that you've done here

[weak kindle]

Ive downloaded both the modpack and chunky and world edit- We're testing if the players require the additional mods

but we're also wondering how chunky works?

does it just do its own thing, cause the server is up rn with both mods and modpack

[hot beacon]

Ok so chunky it can take a very long time depending on how many chunks you wish to generate, it also causes a lot of lag, so its not recommend to be playing while its active, and you will need ti increase your servers tick time to ensure it wont crash while its doing its thing

its all done through commands

[weak kindle]

is it okay if I log on to test if the player data is there?

[hot beacon]

sure

[weak kindle]

before doing the chunkies?

[hot beacon]

sure

[weak kindle]

So currently this is the max world size

should we decrease this?

[hot beacon]

nah you can leave that as is

[weak kindle]

Max tick time is this

we also have view distance at 6

[hot beacon]

ok so for the tick time set that to -1 that will ensure it wont crash due to chunky

[weak kindle]

and simulation at 8

[weak kindle]

Done ! ty

I also turned whitelist toggle on, to prevent anyone joining

[hot beacon]

that should be good, you can lower the sim distance a little if you want

[weak kindle]

would 6 be okay?

[hot beacon]

yea that will be okay

[weak kindle]

perfect will change rn

is there anything else I should do?

[hot beacon]

not really just load in make sure everything is good and start chunky

OH 1 more thing

!minecraftop

[strong mesa]

Also, when you're done running Chunky, set that Max Tick Time back.

[hoary escarp]

https://www.bisecthosting.com/clients/index.php?rp=/knowledgebase/20/How-to-OP-yourself.html

[hot beacon]

If you do this in game you need to be oped^

[weak kindle]

Oki! thank you, and is there no commands that i need to start the chunking process, or does it just do its own thing? And when Im done, should I just remove the mod?

[strong mesa]

You have to start Chunky manually.

[hot beacon]

There are commands you need to do to start chunky

[strong mesa]

That's how it knows how far out you want it to generate, what dimension(s), etc.

Chunky can be removed once you're done with it.

[hot beacon]

i stand corrected^

[strong mesa]

Well, at least it can be on Fabric. I know Forge keeps weird notes sometimes.

[weak kindle]

is chunky commands based on this world size?

[strong mesa]

No. Absolutely not.

That would take months.

[hot beacon]

yea that would take a while^

[strong mesa]

You have to tell it what area to generate - usually center + radius.

[weak kindle]

Is it recommended to follow these specifics?

or is it alright to go above the 1000 blocks?

[strong mesa]

Those are examples, not specifics.

[weak kindle]

So for the commands, it'd be
/chunky radius [Blocks]
/chunky start

And could I do it on console, or do I have to be in game to do the commands?

[strong mesa]

Most do it in the console.

Since it's ideal to do it while nobody's on.

[weak kindle]

Perfect, thank you so much

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[uncut inlet]

Just to touch on this, if you ever think RAM is an issue before blindly upgrading to test it send in a ticket! Our guys would be happy to bump the RAM for 24 hours to what you're thinking will help so you can test and verify it before puttin more money in ❤️ Welcome to the cult

[weak kindle]

Right now we're pre-generating the world with Chunky, with the guys above's help- So I'll wait to see if the world loading chunks was the primary issue

however

if it doesnt, then we'll bring in more ram, and yea- I'll take up your offer

Is this okay @hot beacon ?

the cant keep up?

[uncut inlet]

All good! Just wanted to mention, was skimming haha

[uncut inlet]

Totally normal during pregen, pregen is essentially a fake player generating the map ~ its no different from real players doing it

[weak kindle]

Good to know, Shockbyte did me dirty so I have pretty low expectations because oit :<

[uncut inlet]

That line just means Im lagging; the amount its behind though seems fine and normal for pregen

[uncut inlet]

Its all good 🙏 we arent like that I promise hah

[weak kindle]

Good to know lol, We're currently generating 2k in radius, so we'll see if that makes the experience better

Here's whats happening so far

[uncut inlet]

speedy

[weak kindle]

Do you know where I can find on the config section of decreasing the amount of legendary spawns?

and can you recommend any entity clear mods, for pixelmon?

Also while chunk loading, our memory is almost reaching 8GB, is that a good thing?

or should I just stop the chunk loading rn

[uncut inlet]

Thats just the reserved RAM, the active is likely around 2-3gb (There should be a little button to install a panel mod)

oh wait no yours has it installed refresh the tab?

[uncut inlet]

https://pixelmonmod.com/wiki/PokeRemoval This is the one linked to their wiki, would require you run 1.12.2 however ~ What version are you on?

[weak kindle]

still pretty much the same

[weak kindle]

1.16.5

[uncut inlet]

Huh, must be really chuggin along

sec!

https://github.com/EnvyWare/PokeRemoval/releases/download/2.0.2/PokeRemoval-Forge-2.0.2-1.16.5.jar @weak kindle Looks like this is gonna be best bet just based on the wiki

There may be others but this is the only one I could find tailored to it for 1.16.5

[weak kindle]

perfect, will do

[uncut inlet]

But the RAM is fine, it should stay off the cap at 8GB (But with pregen, its possible depending on how intense world gen is)

[weak kindle]

And i believe this is more towards the server side, so only the server and myself would need to have the mod right?

[uncut inlet]

Only the server should theoretically

Any commands it adds would typically just require operator perms

[weak kindle]

Alright perfect!

[uncut inlet]

It doesnt explitcly state it for the newer versions, so 😅 gonna be a guess and check on that front unfort

Gl!

[weak kindle]

It also has reached the 7gb mark xd

should i be worried, will it go down?

[uncut inlet]

It should go down as the pregen finishes up, if you find it a bit too close for comfort though you can restart the server ~ Mine typically idles around the 7/8 gb mark regardless of what im upto that day

[weak kindle]

but realisitcally it shouldn't matter much if it is at the 7/8 gb mark?

solely the ram and cpu matter? for lag wise?

[uncut inlet]

Bingo, overall that just tracks what the JVM is taking from the machine; overall its pretty good at staying within its limits with how its setup

[uncut inlet]

Not exactly

[weak kindle]

Cause right now its still rising towards 7.6 rn

[uncut inlet]

TPS/Lag can come from just about anything, the most common causes would be a entity misbehaving, RAM / the garbage collection being choked, or a network issue - But I've seen it come from everything from a llama with 76,000 spit to a single stick that was clipping into the floor

Minecraft has its faults, and that multiplies with mods 😅

[uncut inlet]

Got spark installed? Can check by running spark in console

[weak kindle]

I dont think I have spark installed, is that like a mod? or an addon on bisect?

[uncut inlet]

Its a performance tool for Minecraft, uber helpful for lag and general performance checks

!spark

[hoary escarp]

Spark
How to provide a Spark sampler.

1. Stop your server.
2. Download Spark: https://modrinth.com/mod/spark/versions
3. Upload the mod to your server:
   Filemanager > mods (for modded servers)
   or Filemanager > plugins (for plugin based servers)
   (Just drag & drop the file)
4. Start the server.
5. Use the command /spark sampler
6. Wait 10-15 minutes.
7. Use the command /spark sampler --stop

[uncut inlet]

Get the Forge 1.16.5 version installed, restart the server and then if you wanna check on it use spark profiler open ~> Click the link it gives ya (or share it here) and we'll give it a look!

That'll report everything from thread use per mod, the GC system, machine performance as a whole, TPS, networking, etc ~ its very helpful haha

[weak kindle]

if I install it, and restart it - would the chunking process restart?

or it would just stop at what its at

[uncut inlet]

It'll need told to continue, you used chunky yeah?

[weak kindle]

ya

[uncut inlet]

Can just use chunky continue or rerun the command you did previously

if you have a worldborder, thatd be

chunky start```

It wont auto start, but itll skip whatever was already generated

[weak kindle]

ya cause those numbers are scaring me lOl

For spark, I dont see a 1.16.5 forge version

[uncut inlet]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/spark/files/3767277

May not be on modrinth, thats the version for ya

[uncut inlet]

Java really likes to push its limits 😅

[weak kindle]

this is really embarrassing xD

Tyty

[uncut inlet]

Its all good 🙏 happy to help

[weak kindle]

Its actually still trying to stop, so Idk if thats a good sign

the cpu has risen in the process

[uncut inlet]

If its trying to stop itself, mayhaps crashed ~ whats in console?

[uncut inlet]

Ah thatll do er

[uncut inlet]

OutOfMemoryError, Java sure did try to claim more than it had

(You'll want to go ahead and kill the server, it wont stop cleanly because of that) ~ After that pop in a ticket and have our guys throw some more RAM at it, even if its not needed for playing itll atleast make sure you can safely pregen the map

!ticket

[hoary escarp]

Need assistance? Our support team is here for you 24/7/365! You can easily open a ticket by clicking this link 🥰
https://bisecthosting.com/support

[uncut inlet]

Can explain the whole situation, or just say I sent you for Temp RAM xD

Once they get to ya in the list they'll get you sorted

[weak kindle]

Oop

ok

It has now stopped

should I leave it at that?

[uncut inlet]

I would yeah, you can restart it and let it start pregenerating again but it may just crash outright after a bit like it just did

Personally id ticket before rerunning, more crashes would mean a higher likelyhood of world corruption

which for pregenerating, sucks because then you gotta re-pregen all of it (Or go hunt down the region file, but that can be a lot hah)

[weak kindle]

should I just use the right chat thing?

[uncut inlet]

Yup! Its all in one spot now

[weak kindle]

Perfect

Sent!

[hot beacon]

Do note because of a large amount of tickets, you may be waiting a while

Not sure though 🤷‍♂️

[weak kindle]

yaa its been about 25m xd

[weak kindle]

Its been a minute since then, do you think it would be smart if I tried to open the server?

oop nvm

@hot beacon do you think if I found a way to reset everything, would it fix this? Then Id just do way less chunky building

since initially I did /chunky radius 2000

Might've been better if I did 1k

or less

[weak kindle]

I tried to delete the instances, but prior to deleting it- I had looked online to see if it was safe to, and basically they said yes- If i delete an instance, it basically resets your whole system. The main issue with mine is probably because I dont have enough RAM or GB for the server which crashed the server, even after deleting the instance. Im fine restarting the pre-gen. But it doesnt seem like I'll be able to do even that, as the server is crashing yet again

[uncut inlet]

It depends why its crashing; if it started after the world failed to save it may be from a corrupt world ~ were any mods installed outside of the base Pixelmon modpack?

[weak kindle]

Hmm

Other than the ones that I had brought in after, like for example: Chunky, FTB Essentials, and Spark

I do see this?

maybe I should try removing the recent ones?

[uncut inlet]

Youre missing FTBLibrary

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ftb-library-forge/files/3553840

[weak kindle]

oh

i must fr be blind

its online now

so to restart the process of it

I should use chunky radius, and set to maybe 1000

so thats way less than my initial

and then I'll use spark 15 minutes down the line

[uncut inlet]

[weak kindle]

if an hour and 15 minutes is 91%, that probably means that 1k will be done in less than an hour

and if the gb gets too high, at the 6GB mark, I'll just pause it

because ultimately, so long as the world is generated to some extent, it should be fine

[uncut inlet]

indeed

[weak kindle]

I also froze all the pixelmons using /freeze, in hopes it prevents the entities from glitching out

[weak kindle]

Its at 94%

pretty much 1-2.5GB rn

just hit 3GB but it keeps falling but also rising

What should I do to see the results via Spark @uncut inlet Apologies for the ping haha

Currently its at a stable 3 GB

kinda rising to 4

Here's the Spark Folder

It said that after I did this command:
/spark profiler --stop --save-to-file

I stopped the server and removed chunky

as it reached 100% already

I'll re add it later

I also set the tick time from -1 (For Chunky) to 6000, which was what it was previously

[uncut inlet]

60000, not 6000 ~

Make sure thats fixed, as 6000 is not enough time for load times 😅

For spark the easiest way is spark profiler open which will pop out a URL to open the profiler

[weak kindle]

Also, since adding pokeremoval, it seems all my pokemon cant spawn

like i send it out but it wont work

It'll disappear as soon as i send it out

[uncut inlet]

May be worth checking the config file for the mod (Likely under config/) ~ Otherwise it could be a compatability issue; so youd be best trying to find another mod to do it - that one was just what I could find on a quick gander form my phone

[weak kindle]

Hey guys! It’s been a minute since I’ve been here!

Recently a player that’s joining our server for awhile now, has been having some issues that I’m not sure about

Could anyone assist with it?