other-pokemon-games

[sweet crypt]

I will say though, it did kinda solve the "why the fuck are all the Gen 2 Pokemon in Kanto" problem

With the safari zone

Though, speaking of Kanto

I think that's one of the problems I personally have with the Johto games that can't be solved

Since Kanto existing does take away some of the spotlight from Johto

[brisk hedge]

You know what's worse about the nonlinear part? Kanto was more nonlinear and had competent level scaling

[sweet crypt]

Like, we have the Champion's theme not be remembered as the Champion's theme at all

Because of the ex Champion freezing themselves on a mountain that's not in Johto

Hey, tbf

The Champion is also from Kanto

[brisk hedge]

Technically, the mountain is in Johto

[coarse estuary]

i didnt like how all the dpp evos were in the main dex and 90% of them were impossible to get until post game like if you are going to put them in the base dex at least allow the players to get them (me trying to get a honchkrow in hg once not knowing you cant get dusk stones till post game)

[brisk hedge]

At least according to the map

[brisk hedge]

Aren't the only ones that are in the regional dex the ones you can get before post game?

[coarse estuary]

i dont remember tbh

[brisk hedge]

Regardless, at least the evolved forms are actually there cough cough Let's Go cough cough

[sage ore]

Let's Go trying to stay faithful to the original is something I don't mind in the least. Those games are piss easy anyways. Just a very different experience

[brisk hedge]

The originals are the worst games in the franchise

Plus, every other prior remake still had the new evolutions at least in the post game

[sage ore]

Primarily because the mechanics were so severely bare-bones and the games were buggy to all hell. Let's Go does not have those problems to nearly the same degree as Gen 1

[brisk hedge]

It still has zero plot, a boring region and terrible Pokémon variety

[coarse estuary]

you get the option of poision and poision and grass poision and poison and grass poison

[brisk hedge]

You forgot poison

[coarse estuary]

my bad i cant forget poison

[sage ore]

'Boring Region' is subjective, and I suspect it's primarily in retrospect because we have some really cool regions now. The plot is very bare bones, yeah. And way too much poison. Like a ludicrous amount. But looking through the lens that later pokemon in the game are meant to replace earlier ones, and the variety is there. It's just lost because a lot of them do have similarities in typing. The roles are different. Like, Gen 1 Vileplume and Gen 1 Victreebell do not work the same way at all.

[runic heron]

I ended up finding a combusken in my sword boxes

[unkempt egret]

especially not in kanto where it's at least 20% of the dex

also for DP evos weren't a lot of them postgame before plat?

[brisk hedge]

The Pokemon themselves were post game

[unkempt egret]

which is where you get things like level 71 leaf blade on leafeon which is painful unless you were already around level 60's before getting it (and in plat you just gotta deal with that)

[brisk hedge]

BDSP was the one where you get the mons before the league but can't fully evolve until after

[unkempt egret]

FRLG too but it only applied to two mons there

[brisk hedge]

Specifically Gligar, Rhydon and Dusclops

[unkempt egret]

(golbat and chansey because the friendship mechanic wasn't something they could just ignore like every other gen 2 evo)

[brisk hedge]

At least Crobat and Blissey were available post game though cough cough Let's Go cough cough

[unkempt egret]

with HG/SS caring less and ORAS being "none care with left evos"

for how much ORAS unlocks in lategame it may as well roll the credits right after you deal with primal groudon/kyogre rofl

[last egret]

For a first attempt at a region I think Kanto was very successful. The Pokémon offered in Kanto are iconic for a reason

Kanto laid the foundation for all future regions

[brisk hedge]

They're iconic because they keep showing up

[last egret]

If you asked the average person to name a Pokémon, I would say 90% of them would name a Pokémon from Gen 1

[sick anchor]

goodra

[last egret]

I meant like any random person on the street

Obviously people on a fangame server is gonna not be reflective of the overall population

[brisk hedge]

The point is, Generation 1 is the worst game in the franchise. Yes it started the franchise, but every single game that came after it is better in every way

[last egret]

Pokémon like Pikachu, Charizard, Gengar, Mewtwo, etc. are favorites of most casual fans

[unkempt egret]

see also: mario kart

[brisk hedge]

Also, having only 1 fully evolved Ghost type and 1 fully evolved Dragon type is stupid

[sick anchor]

in terms of what

[unkempt egret]

then again pokemon knows that its strongest game is irrelevant, the real strength is "hitting first"

[last egret]

Lance having 3 dragonites as champion shows how lacking dragon types were in early Pokémon

[unkempt egret]

back when we had special snowflake types rather than abilities and moves

[last egret]

If they mean by bugs and quality of life features, obviously gen 1 is the worst

[brisk hedge]

Pokémon roster, story, region design, characters, gameplay, and anything else you could think of

[last egret]

Gen 1 is very difficult to play if all you know is modern Pokémon

That being said I don’t think it’s the worst. It’s way too iconic to be ranked dead last

[brisk hedge]

It being iconic doesn't make it not bad compared to everything else

[sick anchor]

probably it was made in like 1998

[last egret]

Do you also think Super Mario Bros is the worst Mario game?

[brisk hedge]

I haven't played every Mario game in existence, but probably

And if so, that's a good thing, because it means that they've improved upon there work with every subsequent game

[sweet crypt]

RBY are definitely the worst games imo

Unless you include Red and Green

Who decided that Blizzard should have 90% accuracy and a 30% freeze rate in a game where the only way to unthaw is to be hit by a fire move, on a 110 BP move

What kind of balancing disaster is this

Gen 1 Mewtwo exists

It certainly does

But hey the newer games also are bad at balancing

But at the very least every type has at least 1 STAB option that isn't complete wack

And at least an entire type interaction isn't a glitch

At least multiple moves, stat boosting/dropping, or even just using a move cannot result in a glitch in later gens

The Gen 1 games are almost certainly the worst, but that isn't exactly a bad thing

It was the first game of the franchise, made many years ago

And also, if there was a game worse than the Gen 1 games, that'd just be depressing

I think saying something is good because it's iconic is a bad point

Yknow, Weedle is rather iconic as one of the first Pokemon one would ever encounter, and one of the first instances of the "Early, quick evolving bug type" trope Pokemon uses a lot

Would you say it's an A tier Pokemon?

[sleek jewel]

I got this

And it's connected with pokemon wars

[sick anchor]

Choose one

[sterile elbow]

top right

[sick anchor]

I wasn’t even thinking about that one

Some of my recent EXs

[last egret]

Sure the balancing isn’t perfect but I think it’s unreasonable to expect it to be considering it was literally the first gen

Sure the graphics aren’t the greatest but that’s also unreasonable to expect top of the line graphics on a game boy

Kanto holds up very well. There’s a reason it has been remade so many times and not too much has been changed from the original Kanto layout

[sweet crypt]

I would definitely not say it held up well

[last egret]

If anything I’d argue Johto is a worse designed region than Kanto

I think Kanto is way more balanced than Johto as a region

[sweet crypt]

Saying it held up well would imply it holds up to modern standards, which I simply don't think it does

[sweet crypt]

I do think Kanto vs Johto is weighted towards Kanto

[last egret]

Johto has a way worse level curve, it feels somewhat incomplete too

[sweet crypt]

But when it comes to RBY vs GSC, the bugs make me hesitate

[last egret]

Johto on its own ignoring the kanto postgame is kinda lackluster

[sweet crypt]

Because these aren't the type of bugs that you can avoid, or don't have a big impact

[last egret]

Also Johto has a problem of not having enough Johto Pokémon. Most of the Pokémon in Johto are locked behind the postgame

[sweet crypt]

No, these bugs are shit like buffing you for getting stat drops, entire moves being bugged, an entire type chart being fucked

[last egret]

At least most of the good ones

[sweet crypt]

The biggest flaw with the Johto games is Kanto

[last egret]

Kanto had to be watered down in Johto cuz of the size limitations of the game boy color

[sweet crypt]

It is clear how much development time was taken from Johto and put into Kanto

And that's why I feel Johto as a region feels half baked

[last egret]

Yes gen 2 had a watered down Kanto but there was literally not enough space to hold a true full kanto experience in gen 2

[sweet crypt]

Because the devs are also focusing on Kanto at the same time

[last egret]

Johto gets bailed out cuz of Kanto. Take away the kanto postgame and Gen 2 becomes not as good

[sweet crypt]

If you took away Kanto and added nothing back, I'd agree

[last egret]

A Pokémon experience should feel complete and the postgame should just be like “extra stuff”

[sweet crypt]

But if they simply spent time making Kanto in the Johto games on Johto itself

[last egret]

Anyways I think Kanto > Johto. That’s my hot take of the day

[sweet crypt]

Then I feel like that'd have made a better game overall

Kanto > Johto for sure but I'm apprehensive on if RBY > GSC

Like I said, the glitches are just

Way, way too out of control in RBY

The AI is also pretty bad (Dragonite spamming Barrier on Poison types) but it's not like any Pokemon game has an AI that could make a player struggle without them doing a challenge run

I still stand by my beliefs that the only hard Pokemon game is PL:A

Simply because of the new battle system

(And maybe the madman with a team of 8)

PL:A is easier to 100% though

Finally, no version exclusives, no "you need Nintendo Online to get this Pokemon haha!"

Just a few rare Pokemon and a big fucking sidequest

And then a lot of other quests but nothing that requires you to pray that your country supports Nintendo Eshop

[last egret]

I have an even hotter take

Diamond and Pearl were not that good. They got bailed out by Platinum

[sweet crypt]

I feel like this take is pretty common too tbh

At least, nowadays

Maybe in the past they were more well respected

[last egret]

Really? I thought everyone loved Diamond and Pearl

[sweet crypt]

I dont see that sentiment much anymore

If someone is talking highly about a Sinnoh game, it's either Platinum or Legends: Arceus

At least in my experience

[last egret]

Like sure there are a lot of good things about Diamond and Pearl they were good games in theory but they just were not very refined

[sweet crypt]

Also I need to reiterate that a Pokemon game doesn't need to be difficult

I wouldn't mind it being easy or being difficult

[last egret]

At the end of the day it’s a kids game. I hate when people critique the game for being “too easy”

[sweet crypt]

(As long as the normal ass trainers aren't pulling out legendaries on me lmao)

[last egret]

If you want it to be harder you can always self impose challenges

[sweet crypt]

(Cant wait to challenge Youngster Ben and have him pull out Ekiller Arceus on me)

[last egret]

Obviously elementary age kids (Pokémon’s true primary audience) aren’t gonna be EV training, paying attention to Natures, IV’s, using competitive strats, so of course it’s gonna seem easy

[sweet crypt]

The only reason why I even talk about difficulty in Pokemon games is because some people really just think that Cynthia is the god challenge

She isn't

I'm pretty sure I first tried BDSP Cynthia

[last egret]

Child me only cared about what moves did the most damage and what Pokémon looked the coolest

I almost never used any Pokémon moves that weren’t damage moves or status moves

[sweet crypt]

You expect me to believe that that's the hardest official Pokemon battle when Pokemon Wielder Volo exists?

[last egret]

The only status moves I would use as a kid were toxic and thunder wave LOL

[sweet crypt]

Mr "2 fucking omniboosted Giratina"

[last egret]

If you’re talking hardest main series battle then I would say Volo or Cynthia takes the cake

Postgame I would give the hardest battles to the Emerald Battle Frontier

[sweet crypt]

Battle Frontier is a series of battles, no?

[last egret]

That is a genuine challenge even for people who are really good at Pokémon

[last egret]

Nah in emerald the battle frontier is the postgame

Getting all the symbols is genuinely challenging even for seasoned Pokémon veterans

[sweet crypt]

No I know its postgame but I could've sworn it's a series of battles

I'm pretty sure you also don't get to pick your own Pokemon

So yeah I could see why it'd be the hardest battles

[last egret]

It’s 7 facilities.

[sweet crypt]

Wait let me research this real quick

[last egret]

The emerald battle frontier is known as the toughest Pokémon postgame

[sweet crypt]

Assuming this though I wouldn't really feel comfortable with saying they're the hardest if you can't even pick your own Pokemon

Not because they are not the hardest

But simply because that feels a bit cheap

[last egret]

Some facilities u don’t even get to pick what moves your Pokémon uses

[sweet crypt]

Hey tbf

[last egret]

Other facilities you use rental Pokémon

[sweet crypt]

2 fucking omniboosted Giratinas isn't exactly fair either

So yknow what fair enough

[last egret]

Battle frontier is postgame tho

If u want main story games then I would say Volo is the hardest

Cynthia is the runner up

[sweet crypt]

Does Volo count as post game?

I mean the credits roll long before you fight him

[last egret]

True

Red is technically a postgame boss

[sweet crypt]

It is still part of the main story

I'd just say the main story extends into postgame for PL:A

[last egret]

In Gen 2, anything after Lance is considered postgame

[sweet crypt]

Since the main story is catching literally every fucking Pokemon

So that you can meet God

[last egret]

Let’s say for argument sake the end of the main story is when you beat the champion (or in gen 5’s case beating Ghetsis)

Although legends is weird

[sweet crypt]

Speaking of that, Legend Plate Arceus feels like the balancing team were told that multiplayer didn't exist for L:A so they decided to take the rest of the game's development time off

But tbf

They changed Sleep and Freeze to be more fair before their break evidently

And I'm all for that

[last egret]

Do u expect Z-A to be as good or perhaps better than Legends Arceus

[sweet crypt]

Because man, Sleep and Freeze are such terrible fucking status conditions

To play against I mean

[sweet crypt]

I dont know what I expect

But I'm excited anyways

[last egret]

Legends Arceus is probably the last Pokémon game that got near universal praise

[sweet crypt]

Megas are returning and I'm excited to see what the new ones are

[last egret]

As much as I like SV, they have a lot of flaws

Especially performance wise

[sweet crypt]

I've not had major performance and bug issues with SV

So I'm chilling

That's like the only 2 arguments I ever hear people bring up for it

[last egret]

I mean the graphics are lowkey kinda ugly too. I think LA looks way better for an open world Pokémon game

[sweet crypt]

I mean that and the fact that it was balanced while the team were high as kites

But that's just the average Pokemon game balancing ever since they made Mega Rayquaza tbh

Would you rather fight Gen 1 Mewtwo or Gen 9 Calyrex Shadow

Truly a question with 0 answer

The strongest Pokemon in history vs the strongest Pokemon of today

I cant think of anything that comes remotely close to Caly-S with Terastalisation and Gen 1 Mewtwo that is actually obtainable without hacking

Heck, Caly-S can compete with some Pokemon that don't even exist in terms of how fucking ridiculous it is

Say, Shedinja with Tera (Guessing game), or Encore Mega Gengar (If you click a normal, fighting or Status move, you instantly fucking lose)

It's a good thing Megas don't exist anymore haha ha

[broken crater]

Wow so cool how you can make your own decks and strategies

Aaaaaaaannnnnnddddd everyone uses celebi serperior

[brisk hedge]

?tag rule6

[ebon pond]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 6 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Resources to illegal content (ROMs, pirated movies, etc). We are sure that there are ways and means of finding these that do not involve a Pokémon Fan Game discord server.

[distant ginkgo]

looking for someone who can help make sprites for a pokeproject some friends and i are working on, plz dm if intrested

[jade moat]

It still had its fair share of "ehhhh it isn't 8k high def waahhhhh I saw a TEXTURE issue..." XD

[pliant pawn]

the pop-in/draw distance is a fair critique

these games definitely could be presented better

[sage ore]

I didn’t mind. The game was fun. I had no real issues.

Unlike with SV, with pokemon spawning in cave walls 😑

[unkempt egret]

ngl I thought you meant for a sec that thing where they pop out of the walls but that's much more rare

then I remembered some areas have "hollow" walls that allow mons to spawn on the inaccessable side

[cloud lark]

There could be hundreds of people who had a shiny spawn in a wall and had no way of knowing it was there. Imagine that.

[fringe flower]

I'm pretty sure that none of the dlc areas have this issue, compared to the base game

[vernal garnet]

was shiny hunting salazzle yesterday in a cave, way too relatable

i could clip the camera and see salazzles in my walls

thankfully no shiny (i knew of) spawned in a wall

[cloud lark]

At the very least, you can still catch Pokemon in walls by targeting them with the lock-on system. The issue is seeing them in the first place

[vernal garnet]

my salazzles did not want to be targeted yesterday for some reason

[primal ore]

yo

i need help w pokerogue gang :(

[boreal storm]

I never understand the Popplio hate

https://tenor.com/view/batata-gif-20359824

[untold hill]

I thought it was ugly

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-popplio-brionne-primarina-gif-7347198

the middle one even uglier

brionne or smth

[unkempt egret]

I was like "I see that disarming voice... if you are fairy then Imma pick you"

and sure enough

but yea very few people were expecting incineroar being what it was and wanted litten to be regular fire tiger and pop got the "clown? ew" reactions

[boreal storm]

People really hate Popplio just because she looks like a clown

Look how cute she is

https://tenor.com/view/popplio-gif-18078424

[coarse estuary]

people just hate to hate for some reason like when i had my black 2 team hated on because i wanted to use golduck and audino (i ignored haters)

[unkempt egret]

Using audino in Y was hilarious, power-up
punch went hard

[sick anchor]

YES

[unkempt egret]

[boreal storm]

If Legendary/Mythical has a gender, what would their gender be?

[coarse estuary]

depends on the mon

[rugged comet]

Most don't really need them imo

[unkempt egret]

I think a few have em set but the only ones that can be either gender are heatran and technically terapagos

(technically because the one you get is always forced to be male)

actually kubfu's line too but I personally hesitate to call them mythicals or legendaries lol

[rugged comet]

Ogerpon is also always female

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ogerpon-gif-14713491434180903664

[unkempt egret]

emphasis on either since I know a lot of them are single gendered on either side (ogre being one of them)

[sweet crypt]

Depends on the Pokemon. Some already have genders, some can be either gender, some have stated genders (think Zacian being referred to as Zamazenta's sister, or Solgaleo and Lunala being referred to as the male and female evolutions of Cosmog respectively)

[unkempt egret]

I think celebi also had somethin in one of the PMD games too?

[sweet crypt]

As for the Pokemon with 0 stated gender, some of them would make sense having genders (Volcanion for example), but some wouldn't (like yknow, God. Capital G)

[sweet crypt]

The PMD games aren't canon, but yeah a Celebi was referred to as female in one of them?

And I think a Jirachi was referred to as male

And a Darkrai

Idt Darkrai is male only even though Cresselia, its counterpart, is female only

The anime has a male and female Mewtwo, but I don't like using anime canon for game canon

cough cough Hoopa Unbound just being stronger than the personification of time, space and antimatter

[boreal storm]

I remember the leak says that Dialga is male and Palkia is female

But you can says that it wasn't canon anymore

[sweet crypt]

Yeah I don't really see the leaks as canon

They're mostly scrapped ideas

[boreal storm]

But it's still a interesting idea

[sweet crypt]

And ig part of ZA was leaked

Who knows maybe they're scrapping that too

[rugged comet]

I still don't fully trust the stuff that was leaked

[sweet crypt]

And then making it from scratch

And now they have even less dev time yippee!

I dunno

We're just gonna have to wait to find out

If the game is extremely evidently rushed I'm blaming it on the leak

I haven't actually seen the leaks myself tbf, I've only really been told about them

And people don't talk about the ZA part of the leak a lot

[rugged comet]

Same

[sweet crypt]

All I know is that it was supposedly leaked

[coarse estuary]

i always hate when leakers make a game worse for others

[boreal storm]

Back to the topic, what I mean by that is was if Legendary has a gender, what gender would they be

Like for me, I think legendary like Reshiram would be female due to the feminine design

[rugged comet]

I don't see reshiram as feminine, I see it as a dragon

Or a Yu-Gi-Oh monster

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-kaiba-gif-11244264

[boreal storm]

Blue eyes white dragon, like literally

[rugged comet]

And Zekrom is red eyes black dragon

[boreal storm]

But yeah Reshiram does look feminine in my opinion

[rugged comet]

https://tenor.com/view/red-eyes-black-dragon-yu-gi-oh-monster-gif-10593125

[boreal storm]

Like look at this, why does reshiram has the dress thing

[boreal storm]

Huh, I never knew that was a real thing

[delicate hollow]

Pokemon Ambrosia is everything I could ask for in a GBC Pokemon Crystal rom hack thank Arceus because not many Gold/Silver/Crystal hacks has all the modern mechanics and features that GBA gen 3 already has, but to fit all 500+ Pokemon in a GBC game like this is just too much and I could a single cartridge can cope.

[sweet crypt]

I already stated my opinion

What I will say for Zekrom and Reshiram is that apparently, Yin (Zekrom) is generally more feminine in depictions and vice versa

So if Zekrom and Reshiram had genders, it'd be a toss up as to which one they'd be

At least to me

[sweet crypt]

Honestly though I would keep the tao trio genderless

[cloud lark]

On the note of Reshiram and Zekrom, am I the only one who feels like their motifs are backwards? Reshiram's supposed to represent Truth and Cynicism, but it's majestic and graceful. Zekrom is supposed to be Idealism, but it's design looks more stocky and practical. It always felt backwards to what I felt like it should be

[merry wharf]

i would call the tao trio "they/them" same way i would call Venom from marvel "They/Them". they are literally multiple of 1 pokemanns, whether seperate or as kyurem black/white.

[sick anchor]

What cards pairs with dragonite?

[coarse estuary]

dragonday (cool card btw)

[sick anchor]

Ty

[boreal storm]

I have a fun headcanon

Rayquaza love eating Minior, his favourite one is the one with green colors

[unkempt egret]

for that dragonite?

colorless, water, and electric mons

I like running Eevee and jolteon/vaporeon which helps it be flexible

[tame ridge]

anyone been playing any other good fan games?

[coarse estuary]

im always playing spork

[tame ridge]

whats spork

[coarse estuary]

a pokemon fangame

[sick anchor]

i havent played any fan games besides infinite fusion recently

though before i found infinite fusion i was playing pokemon xenoverse

[coarse estuary]

xenoverse is a fun one

[sick anchor]

i dont think i finished all of the post game though

[boreal storm]

Sounds like if spoon and forks have a child together

[tight granite]

https://tenor.com/view/forky-toy-story-walk-toy-trip-gif-16053844

[brisk hedge]

Is that the box art legendary

[coarse estuary]

yall are shitting on it as if its made for 3 year olds lol. you all should actually try it because its a good game with a great story

[tight granite]

probably dont mean me, all i did is show a spork

[coarse estuary]

i mean all yall

[primal ore]

??

[boreal storm]

Pokemon evolution in gen 50

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-my-head-hurts-headache-cat-gif-14622281057500278312

[radiant leaf]

Thats not even all the agumon lines

[spice pilot]

I am playing Pokemon Sweets Version, a ROM Hack, and I am commentating on it. And the funny thing is: when I was battling Lemeod, a lemon version of Kabuto, using Licorita (licorice chicorita), the foe used soften attack to raise its defense, and my commentary was, "It's trying to make itself chewy!" I was laughing that time. Because its hyde (or rind or whatever) is supposed to be hard but when it used soften for the first time, I jokingly imagined it softening up (and these are jokey imaginations that I have. Because Pokemon Sweets version is just a silly, but cute and delicious game. Rules don't apply. So I was joking!) 😆

[last egret]

Giovanni for sure

[coarse estuary]

ghetsis

easy

[last egret]

He’s not more evil than the OG Giovanni

[coarse estuary]

yep he is 10/10 times not even close

[last egret]

Giovanni is the Pokémon equivalent to Al Capone

[coarse estuary]

and ghetsis is worse wish i guess you wouldnt know considering your prevcous takes on gen 5 lol

[last egret]

Al Capone is known as the most infamous and evil criminal of all time.

That’s essentially Giovanni

[last egret]

Ghetsis raised his son.
Giovanni abandoned his son.

drops mic

[coarse estuary]

ghetsis also tried to manipulate people to disown their pokemon so he could use his pokemon to take over the world

[last egret]

Giovanni had an infamous criminal syndicate that spanned across 2 regions.

He took over Silph Co and had an underground base underneath a casino, all while posing as merely a gym leader

Meanwhile Ghetsis was too busy talking about Pokémon liberation

[coarse estuary]

ima stop it here. im talking to a brick wall who doesnt want to listen to any point that goes against what they think on an opinion based question

[last egret]

Why do u think Ghetsis is 10x worse

What has Ghetsis actually done

[coarse estuary]

well for one he shows n abused and abandoned pokemon from a young age to sculpt his mind that all pokemon trainers are abusive toward pokemon and then he even says in game that he never cared about n and was just using him to gain power to get in a spot where he was incharge and be the only person with pokemon

and also in bw2 he tries to kill the protagonist with kyurem

[last egret]

Here’s a better question, who is the LEAST evil of the 4

Giovanni, Cyrus, Ghetsis or Lysandre

[coarse estuary]

cyrus

[last egret]

Cyrus wanted to reset the universe

That’s pretty wild to me

[coarse estuary]

at this point idk if i want to continue this convo. i feel you are just trying to get people to feel the same way about things as you and invalidating any claim that is different from yours.

[last egret]

I mean I disagree with what you think I’m trying to do but you can feel free to end the convo

I would never invalidate people who disagree with me

I merely play devils advocate

after all it’s just an opinion

[coarse estuary]

well i know earlier when you were saying bdsp was getting prase and it was a good wel recieved remake and me and some others were saying no you were accusing us of being dumb and clouded by nostalgia goggles along with other things soi think my claim is well founded

[last egret]

Well I do think that nostalgia plays a big factor to many people which is why they may claim older remakes like HGSS are better than BDSP

[coarse estuary]

yeah but saying everyone who says bdsp is bad is blinded by nostalgia is not a good claim to make and even when facts on why bdsp is bad are present it feels like you want to dismiss those to be like you have clouded nostalgia goggles your wrong

[last egret]

I understand where u are coming from. I guess I didn’t convey what I meant properly, so my mistake

I do think that in a few years people will soften up to BDSP like they did for ORAS

Back when sword and shield came out, the games were criticized as too linear, too much hand holding, generic storyline, bland characters. But now that the dust has settled, Gen 8 is considered one of the best generations in the entire series by most fans

[coarse estuary]

like i get what you mean but having a montra of if someone says something older is better than something newer they must be blinded by nostalgia is not a good montra to have. there can be many reasons other than nostalgia for why people prefer a game over another. like for example people like bowsers inside story because its funny, has a good story and they get to play as bowser. all though dream team came out after boswers inside story people usually view it as worse because every single ability you unlocke in the game accept one wich i feel just got missed has a tutorial

[last egret]

Like people really love sword and shield now. It ranks extremely high to most of the community. Back when Gen 8 dropped, oh man there were a lot of haters

[rugged comet]

I still see more people say its bad (Because it is, story is painful)

[last egret]

People also didn’t like Gen 5 when it dropped. Now they are regarded as some of the best games in the series

Same thing happened with Gen 8

[coarse estuary]

no it didnt

[rugged comet]

yeah, but gen 5 has story and not whatever gen 8 has

[last egret]

Yes it did. Gen 5 hate was REAL

now people love gen 5

[coarse estuary]

ik gen 5 hate was real im saying people arent praizing gen 8.

[last egret]

Leon: “Am I a joke to you?”

[rugged comet]

yes

[last egret]

Leon is the greatest champion since Cynthia

[coarse estuary]

maybe in your friend circle but the vast majority of people are dunking on gen 8

[rugged comet]

I physically cringed at the "Charizard pose"

[last egret]

Gen 8 did a lot of things great. People loved the Wild Area. The Gigantimax is one of the best gimmicks in recent memory

They introduced DLC’s to Pokémon as well which most fans like

[rugged comet]

I've seen less hate for scarlet/violet than I have sword and shield

And it's deserved because sword and shield genuinely suck imo

[last egret]

Riddle me this, who was the better champion in your opinion: Nemona or Leon?

[coarse estuary]

and 99% of gen five haters were gen 1 boomers who thought after gen 1 pokemon became shite

[rugged comet]

Nemona is rival, geeta is the champ you fight

[last egret]

Nemona is technically a champion too

[rugged comet]

Yes

[coarse estuary]

no, she is a champion rank trainer. not a champion

[last egret]

All Champion rank trainers are considered champions

It’s literally their namesake

[rugged comet]

Yes, but you don't fight all of them after the elite 4 you fight geeta

[last egret]

Ok even if we use Geeta, IMO she is a bad champion

[coarse estuary]

so if you had the tile of dr because you got a doctorite for whatever does that mean you are qualified to give a heart transplant?

[last egret]

People defending Gen 9 claiming Geeta is the best champion

Geeta is garbage

[rugged comet]

Never said that

Also if the only thing the game has going for it is a champion it's not a good game

[last egret]

Well as a Gen 8 supporter I think Leon is a better champion (and character) than Geeta

And I’ll take that to my grave

[coarse estuary]

now you are just putting claims into mine and fireswords mouths because we are disagreeing with you on points lol. brick wall core

[last egret]

Gen 8 has a better storyline. Gen 9 has like 3 weird storylines that are all barely connected but in reality are just convoluted

Gen 8 also has a better villain team. Team Yell > Team Star

Penny has a cool theme but that’s about it

[rugged comet]

Ok now you're just trolling

[last egret]

Gen 8 also had an amazing twist villain

[coarse estuary]

yeah ignore them. any time someone brings up a claim that goes against what believe they attack us.

[last egret]

I’m no troll

I’m fishy

[coarse estuary]

you are also mr dissregard and attack other peoples claims if they are differnt than what you believe

[last egret]

I may disagree with what you have to say but I respect your right to express your opinion

That’s the philosophy of how I always operated

Never discredit other for their opinion. It’s ok to have a discussion about it but as long as you are respectful and don’t intentionally undermine them

[coarse estuary]

if you have the philosophy to disagree and respect others opions how come you have yet to do that

[last egret]

I believe I have been pretty respectful to people who may disagree with me

I would never undermine or discredit others for merely expressing a different viewpoint. That’s immature

[sweet crypt]

Ghetsis' dream of "Pokemon Liberation" was a lie, was it not?

All a ruse to gain power

And his son was raised to be the "leader" of Team Plasma, puppeteered by him as he took over

And he even was prepared to take N down as soon as he faltered

I don't see a world where Ghetsis is less evil than at the very least Kanto Giovanni

Maybe you could argue for USUM Giovanni but I'd still give it to Ghetsis even then

[sweet crypt]

I dont want to pick sides between the "Gen 8 good or bad" argument

But I will say that the majority of people I've seen are on the side of the latter

[sweet crypt]

Once again, not going to share my own opinion on this, but I do generally see people rank Leon as a mid tier champion, though saying most people think Cynthia is the best champion is an understatement

So many people think Cynthia is the best champion that "most" simply isn't a strong enough descriptor

[sweet crypt]

Wild Area is definitely very cool, but god, I fucking hate Gmax and every player who plays Singles probably does too

This was the turning point for Gamefreak no longer caring about balancing Singles, right here

[sweet crypt]

Anyways back to opinion of the masses, I definitely can say that most fans dislike the existence of DLCs

Mainly because they feel like they shouldn't have been DLCs, but part of the main game

And having them cost extra is dumb

[sweet crypt]

Nobody defending Gen 9 claims Geeta is the best champion

At the very most they claim she isn't the worst, because that's the general consensus

And even then I feel like usually they'll point to the story, or the OST, or the roster of Pokemon

[sweet crypt]

I think Team Yell probably makes more sense as a villainous team, but I prefer Team Star otherwise. Also, both of them absolutely suck if you try to only look at them as villains anyways

[sweet crypt]

I think that Rose isn't a great twist villain, mainly because his goal isn't realistic enough. Galar was only set to lose power like, a long ass time later. If they tweaked it to be a more immediate problem, maybe it'd have not been wack, but even then, what he did is akin to reviving Satan to help with homework after a long fought battle against him, and expecting him to be cooperative

His theme also sounds way too evil considering that he at the very least had noble intentions, even if he's a fucking idiot

I just don't think he's a good twist villain tbh

But feel free to explain your POV on Rose

[sweet crypt]

Oh also, additionally

Regieleki is a Pokemon introduced in SS's 2nd DLC, The Crown Tundra

It is, and I quote, "capable of creating all Galar's electricity."

Yeah this was not the best Pokemon to introduce after a game where the main goal of the main antagonist was to solve Galar's energy problems

Especially when it's the better solution compared to what was used

Tbf, Regieleki is a UU bum without Tera and Eternatus is an Uber. Not just a normal Uber, a top tier Uber.

Hell, even with Tera elevating Eleki to Ubers, it's still a fraud

It's just a fraud amongst gods

Instead of just a fraud

(Exaggeration btw, UU is actually a very respectable placement, legendary or not.)

[carmine elm]

Damn bro you went hard in the paint

Nobody even talked that whole time LMAO

[acoustic spindle]

holyshit hes not wrong though i did not remember his theme being this evil

[brisk hedge]

The reason the problem is so far in the future is probably so that you don't sympathize with Rose. I do wish he turned evil before the butt end of the story though

[unkempt egret]

swish has a lot happening in the last 10% of its plot rofl

since it has an entire list of series tropes it needed to include but maybe didn't want to so it pushed them off until it couldn't anymore

[brisk hedge]

#playthrough-talk

[nimble tiger]

Oh, uh. Whoops, wrong channel. My bad.

[last egret]

Team Rocket: Mafia
Team Aqua/Magma: Environmental terrorists
Team Galactic: Goons
Team Plasma: Cultists
Team Flare: Fashion Police
Team Skull: Delinquents
Team Yell: Crazy fans
Team Star: Bullies

[brisk hedge]

Team Star aren’t bullies, they’re just playing hooky

[last egret]

Even worse! They are truants!!

Isn’t it crazy how the “evil” team goes from the literal mafia to kids who skip class and break school rules

[brisk hedge]

And you want to know what’s crazier? The kids have the better story

[last egret]

Team rocket would go to jail for their crimes

Team star would at worst get detention

[last egret]

Unpopular opinion, some members of team plasma in BW1 were not evil

Some of them genuinely wanted to liberate Pokémon

In BW2 though everyone kinda knew the whole Pokémon liberation thing was a cover up

[brisk hedge]

That's not an unpopular opinion that's just fact

[sly ginkgo]

People nowadays have this strange obsession with "Ooo the bad guy has history ooo"

Which is alright, don't get me wrong
But can we have evil guys that are evil just to be evil again please

[brisk hedge]

Both have their place

[last egret]

I like cartoonishly evil villains

Like Ghetsis and Giovanni were both over the top cartoon-level villains

Not just some misunderstood but genuinely good person who happened to follow the wrong path

Maxie and Archie wanted to expand the land and sea respectively and nobody questioned it

[sly ginkgo]

I feel like Ghetsis's nonsense doesn't really fall under "cartoon-level"

that guy was genuinely a horrible person

[last egret]

Cartoon level is more like “MUAHAHA I AM GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD”

for the sake of being evil

[sly ginkgo]

Ghetsis is just deranged and psychotic
You can't forget that max power Frustration Hydreigon dude

[brisk hedge]

Even worse: he hacked in that Hydreigon

[last egret]

Lance having 3 illegal dragonites

[brisk hedge]

Also true

[sly ginkgo]

I remember someone having a theory that his Hydreigon paralyzed his right side

given that dragon breath causes paralysis, and the fact that we rarely see his right arm, and he struggles smiling with half his face

his arm might deadass be gone, just a prosthetic

[last egret]

So?

That doesn’t really mean anything he just has a good move on a good Pokémon

[sly ginkgo]

???

[last egret]

Plus in BW2 his Hydreigon has a life orb

So even better

[sly ginkgo]

You do know how Frustration works, right?

[last egret]

Not really

[sly ginkgo]

Oh makes sense then

[last egret]

I never ran frustration on my team

In any Pokémon game

So I’m not familiar with its uses

[sly ginkgo]

Frustration is the opposite of Return
It gets more powerful the more the pokemon hates its trainer

[last egret]

So what does that imply his Hydreigon hates him

[sly ginkgo]

As much as possible, in fact

It’s max power

He basically forced it to evolve early too

It’s underleveled

[last egret]

I think that’s kind of a reach though to say that makes him evil, I feel like at most it’s a coincidence

[sly ginkgo]

And what makes you think that??

[last egret]

Ghetsis just wants a strong Pokémon with a strong move

Frustration and Return are technically the strongest base power moves in the game that have zero downsides

At max power they do slightly more than earthquake which has 100 base power

So I don’t think running return/frustration is that deep

[sly ginkgo]

But he chose the one that works off hatred rather that the one that works off affection

[last egret]

I think if anything running life orb in BW2 on Hydreigon is worse

Life orb is basically hurting your own Pokémon solely to get more power

[sly ginkgo]

Honestly I just realized
He probably just went “damn, this thing doesn’t like me” and took advantage of that

[last egret]

Ghetsis views pokemon as expendable tools

That’s just how he operates

[sly ginkgo]

Yeah

[last egret]

That doesn’t make him evil

He just has a different perspective on Pokémon

At least imo

N views pokemon as friends
Ghetsis views them as tools. They are two sides of a coin

Neither one is right or wrong imo

[brisk hedge]

Which is even crazier considering it's a lot easier to make your Pokémon like you then to make it hate you

[last egret]

Ghetsis is no different from competitive players. Competitive player view their Pokémon party as tools that can win them battles

Most players had an HM slave on their team at one point

You’re using a Pokémon as a tool

So we are no better than Ghetsis

By using a Pokémon as a means to an end

@brisk hedge @sly ginkgo

[last egret]

If you ever used a Pokémon solely for HM usage, you are no better than Ghetsis

Because you would also be in the “Pokémon are tools” camp with Ghetsis

[unkempt egret]

at least ones with wide distribution since boomburst?

also the HM comment makes me think of the bidoof short they had which focuses on how that looks in-universe

[viral matrix]

But we don't look as cool

[viral matrix]

She looks like a merchant ready to sell you her wares

[sage ore]

That’s exactly it.

[boreal storm]

This reminds me that Lilligant flower were sold at high prices for aromatherapy

[sleek jewel]

I found the orphanage

Also I got this :)/

[sweet crypt]

Mfw my favourites are Lunala, Latios, Volcarona, Ogerpon, Chi-Yu and Scizor and only 1 of these are viable in Ubers with 4 of them being Ubers Pokemon

My ass is NOT about to use my favourites to try to win that's suicide

[cloud lark]

Me when my favorite Pokemon is banned for being too good, but is also not strong enough to compete in Ubers

[unkempt egret]

the dreaded BLubers tier, meet its host, deoxys-N

(BLUubers tier now maybe)

[sweet crypt]

UUbers has Lunala banned

Joever

Lunala is banned for being the GOAT

(And I suspect that by now, it's probably also banned via usage)

(Because since then, Lunala's popularity has risen in Ubers and people actually see it as a good pick now)

[jade moat]

...oh god I'm a monster.

[cloud lark]

Calling us "no better than" a wannabe dictator who abuses his son just for how we play a game is absolutely wild.

[unkempt egret]

some takes like a walk on the wild side after all

[coarse estuary]

yeah just ignore fishy. they have been attacking any claim that doesnt allign with what they believe and that was a tame one. they called me and some others clouded my nostalgia and dumb for thinking bdsp was bad

[cloud lark]

I mean, you can like BDSP if you want, but I feel like its flaws are pretty objective

[coarse estuary]

yeah but the fact we were attacked and called dumb and notstalgia clouded because we said it was bad is wild

[cloud lark]

"You don't like the newer games cause you're clouded by nostalgia" has been a common defense tactic for this series since like Gen 5, though it definitely applies more to some critiques than others.

Like, I don't think being mad about ScarVi crashing every 30 minutes is really a result of nostalgia

Or being mad about BDSP's selective faithfulness

[coarse estuary]

like we were telling fishy that its not because we are clouded with nostalgia its because just frankly bdsp is bad. we even tried to give reasons and those were ignored

[jade moat]

Scarlet Violet is quite offensive, lol... I love the argument where people are like "the switch can't handle it!!!" ...Yeah, because it's badly made. It handles Xenoblade Chronicles, which is way more intensive. XD

...that said, I still enjoyed it.

[coarse estuary]

though i do hate how people tend to jump to the arguement of you are clouded with nastolgia or you are just relaying the popular opinion when you say something older is better than something more recent even if that specific person finds the older thing better than the newer

[rugged comet]

Yeah Violet is pretty good imo, if you look past some of the bugs

kept losing my picnic table

[jade moat]

It's fine, it's not my favorite, but it was enjoyable.

I find the quality lacking, but I also didn't pick up a Pokemon game for its incredible graphical prowess, so... Whatever?

[coarse estuary]

i mean gen 5 is always going to be my fave and it will never be because of nostalgia because for 1 it wasnt my first ever pokemon game and 2 i have no reason like it for nostalgic purpose

[jade moat]

There's a big difference between "Gen 5 is my favorite." and "Gen 5 is objectively the best one and other opinions are wrong." Nothing bad about the first one, but the second one is very narrow.

I think that second one is how some people think anyone talking about an older game is acting.

(which might be true in some cases, but... Something something generalizations.)

[coarse estuary]

like i feel most people like when someone says x gen is my fave they jump the the conclusion of the 2nd one which may not be true like i dont care wich one you think is your favorite. i do however care if you attack someone else because of what gen they do or dont like (i gained this care because of the amount of people who hate on me for thinking gen 5 is my favorite)

[jade moat]

Honestly, Sun/Moon is probably my favorite gen, an extremely unpopular opinion, but it's mine because it's trying to do something a bit different in a series famously bad for that.

[coarse estuary]

i mean usum is my 2nd fave gen so i agree its cool. i mean it introduced my fave mon of all so i gotta like it right

[brisk hedge]

My favourite Gen is either 4 or 5

Gen 7 is pretty good though

Well, except for that one game

[last egret]

Gen 5 is just an example of how people initially disliking something and then coming around years later only to realize it wasn’t as bad as people claimed it was

I personally feel like it will be the same with BDSP. It just haven’t been long enough yet so maybe I’m ahead of the curb

Back when ORAS released there were many criticisms about that remake but now around 10 years later, ORAS is generally liked. So why wouldn’t BDSP be the same?

[sick anchor]

I love doing 350+ damage with celebi

[brisk hedge]

https://youtu.be/5x9aX1pG_3c?si=qjwKLdW6AUvGLkZx
This is why

[last egret]

Right now how you’re talking about BDSP is similar to how people talked about ORAS around 8-10 years ago. People thought that ORAS had flaws. Now most people came around to saying ORAS is a generally good remake

BDSP will be the same it just hasn’t been long enough yet

[brisk hedge]

With ORAS, I'm pretty sure people just hated that there was no Battle Frontier

I also don't like that there's no Battle Frontier, but I like the games overall

[last egret]

Some people were not a fan of the overhauls. I know that the Gen 3 fans were initially like “wtf is this” when they saw ORAS mauville

A lot of them at least

So many aspects of the game were criticized by fans initially, but these days saying ORAS was a good remake is not controversial

@brisk hedge

I bet by 2030 people will be like “you know BDSP wasn’t as bad as we thought”

[brisk hedge]

I feel like that was mostly older fans who's nostalgia goggles were glued to their face

BDSP has much better criticisms

[last egret]

I tried to say that but @coarse estuary didn’t agree

Nostalgia plays a factor

[jade moat]

Ahhh... So that's where we began then.

[last egret]

Yeah I claimed that nostalgia plays a factor in why some people prefer gens as they get older

[jade moat]

I'd call that statement valid, but it isn't the only one.

[last egret]

I just said it plays a factor

Obviously there are other variables

[coarse estuary]

no what i said was saying that someone only hates a remake because of nostalgia is wrong

[jade moat]

It does, yeah. If you find someone with zero pokemon exposure, they almost certainly consider the newer games better, because let's face it, convenience has grown hugely in this series.

(also graphics nerds exist.)

[last egret]

This is an unpopular opinion but

Firered and Leafgreen > Let’s Go

But Let’s Go > Red and Blue

[boreal storm]

Red Blue is the worse game

One wrong steps = new glitch

[coarse estuary]

me with my level 100 nidoking and a mew before gym 2

[sick anchor]

nahhhh

[coarse estuary]

gen 1 glitches be crazy

[last egret]

FR/LG is a great way to experience kanto as it has enough modern features to hold up. Let’s Go has radically different mechanics from the original that it isn’t that faithful of a kanto experience

Red and Blue are a buggy mess

[boreal storm]

Did you know that the glitch pokemon is just the other pomemon that was scraped from the game

[last egret]

Also FRLG had the Sevii Islands

I wish they brought them back

[jade moat]

Man, if only there was some kind of game based on red Blue that has the sevii islands or something... 🙂

[coarse estuary]

radical red

[last egret]

The only downside to FRLG is that is was pre-Physical Special split so newer Pokémon fans will be confused about how their moves aren’t working like they expected it to

[brisk hedge]

Anyway, here is the official DarkWeavile remake ranking (TM):

1.HGSS
2.ORAS
3.FRLG
4.BDSP
5.Let's Go

[coarse estuary]

swap oras ans hgss and i agree

[last egret]

Back in FRLG, Hitmonchan’s elemental punches were 100% useless as all fire, ice and electric moves are special and Hitmonchan has absolutely trash special attack

[brisk hedge]

I give HGSS the edge because it's the definitive version of Johto, meanwhile ORAS lacks the battle frontier and Emeralds better teams

[jade moat]

I disagree. I used to make and trade out egg moved Abras with Teleport/Fire/Ice/Lightning punch as a result of this. XD

[sweet crypt]

Either ways, Hitmonchan isn't a great mon, so meh

In terms of actually using it

[brisk hedge]

It also lacks you fighting both evil teams, though that would be a bit harder to implement

[sweet crypt]

I feel like if someone wanted to use a fighting type in Gen 1 in terms of performance, they're always either Machamp or nothing

Gen 1's fighting types aren't very great

[jade moat]

...pretty much. 😛

[last egret]

Useless on Hitmonchan on it’s own I meant

[brisk hedge]

Friendly reminder that trade evos exist, meaning that not everyone can use Machamp

[sweet crypt]

If they wanted a fighting type for the sake of having one though that's fair enough

[sweet crypt]

Exactly why nothing is an option

[coarse estuary]

if hgss fixed the bad level scaling the og gen 2 games had id agree

[last egret]

Unpopular opinion:
psychic type was borderline broken in Gen 1

[sweet crypt]

Trade evolutions are very cool

[brisk hedge]

That is their one flaw

[sweet crypt]

"Unpopular opinion" says the most popular opinion OAT

Psychic fr went from broken to broke

Crazy

[jade moat]

Dragon type was straight broken. Weak to ice beam and blizzard that never hits in that gen. Dragon moves don't even exist yet. XD

[coarse estuary]

yeah and imo that flaw is big enough for me to rank oras the higher of the two

[brisk hedge]

Unpopular opinion:
Murder is wrong

[boreal storm]

Psychic was stupidly broken in gen 1

[brisk hedge]

That's why Dark and Steel exist

[boreal storm]

Like why the hell does Psychic super effective to ghost type

[sweet crypt]

I think Psychic is probably the most broken type of Gen 1?

[sweet crypt]

It doesn't

[coarse estuary]

unpopular opinion ice is frozen water

[sweet crypt]

But Ghost has 0 damage vs Psychic because of a glitch

[jade moat]

It doesn't, it's just that all ghosts are ghost/poison

[boreal storm]

It does in gen 1 due to the glitch

[sweet crypt]

Not that you're using fucking Lick Gengar anyways

[sweet crypt]

No, it does because Gengar is a Poison type

And that's the literal only Ghost type

[last egret]

The most popular opinion of all time is that Cynthia is the best champion

[sweet crypt]

Only type close to as broken as Psychic in Gen 1 is Normal

[brisk hedge]

Unpopular opinion: Ice should be super effective against Water

[sweet crypt]

This would go so hard ngl

[last egret]

Also there are like zero good bug moves (or even bug Pokémon) in Gen 1 so the bug type weakness is negligible

[jade moat]

...I'd definitely agree that Cynthia is the best. XD

[coarse estuary]

this and we need more moves that function like freeze dry

[brisk hedge]

That one might actually be unpopular IDK

[sweet crypt]

Tauros 1v1s Machamp and wins

[boreal storm]

Well that mean that's also stupid because ghost type was made to counter psychic but they also made the psychic has advantage to the only ghost type

[sick anchor]

no

[jade moat]

Hmm... On the one hand, ice is already very good offensively... On the other, water pretty OP...

[boreal storm]

Yes

[last egret]

The best bug type move that Beedrill got in Gen 1 was Twin Needle. Yeah Psychic type didn’t really have much to fear about bug types

[sweet crypt]

Even if Gengar was pure Ghost type, it's getting fucking annihilated by the likes of Starmie, Eggy and Zam

[boreal storm]

Btw did you know that originally ice supposed to be super effective against fairy

[sick anchor]

it doesnt make sense though

[sweet crypt]

Even if Ghost did SE damage vs Psychic

Because like

[boreal storm]

Why?

[brisk hedge]

On the other other hand, Ice is viewed as one of the worst types in the game

[sweet crypt]

It's motherfucking Lick Gengar

LICK

[last egret]

It didn’t help that almost every grass type in Gen 1 was also poison type

[sweet crypt]

ON A GENGAR

[jade moat]

Defensively, absolutely.

[sweet crypt]

WHAT

[coarse estuary]

dont call it eggy

[boreal storm]

Ice freeze fairy

Fairy is tiny

[sick anchor]

not that the water one

[last egret]

Fire should be super effective against fairy. Change my mind

[boreal storm]

Ice freeze water

[boreal storm]

Yes

[sweet crypt]

It should, but I feel like that would send Fire from an A tier type to an S tier type

And the last thing we need is another S tier type

I'm not too certain if it'd knock Fairy and Steel out of the S tier

[last egret]

It makes sense to. Imagine burning a bunch of fairies. What else are they gonna do?

[sweet crypt]

But it sure as hell makes Water and Ground better

[coarse estuary]

yeah fire already has a type combo that removes all of its weaknesses making them neautral

[sick anchor]

when i put water into a cup with ice the water puts a hole into the ice

[sweet crypt]

I'd rather focus on buffing lower tier types

Like your bugs, psychics, ices, rocks, normals and grasses

[last egret]

Water and Ground is an underrated type combo. Sure it’s 4x weak to grass but other than that it’s amazing

[sweet crypt]

D or C tier types, all of them

[sweet crypt]

Literally nobody underrates it

It is an extremely well respected combo

[jade moat]

Water/ground absolutely my favorite.

[coarse estuary]

the only 2 things that can hit it for se dammage are grass moves or freeze dry

[last egret]

Another underrated type is Steel/Flying

yeah I said it. Everyone sleeps on it

[sweet crypt]

We're past the point of people being idiots and thinking "Oh it has a quad weakness so it is bad"

[sweet crypt]

????

[sick anchor]

no?

[sweet crypt]

People literally see this as a top 5 defensive type

How is this underrated

[boreal storm]

Most of the ice type has a ice that could freeze a living creature

[last egret]

Most people dismiss it

[sweet crypt]

That's like calling Grass/Steel underrated

Or Steel/Fairy

All types considered as top 5 candidates in term of defensive prowess

[last egret]

Celebi should have become Grass Fairy. Change my mind

[boreal storm]

Yes

[sick anchor]

most fire types could melt rocks

[jade moat]

That one absolutely makes sense.

[last egret]

If any Pokémon should become fairy it’s Celebi

https://tenor.com/view/dance-light-celebi-kawai-fly-gif-22205124

[boreal storm]

In what world do you live where fire melt rocks

[jade moat]

Lava is basically molten rock.

[sick anchor]

this one

[sweet crypt]

I know Lunala's a Psychic type because it's linked to light and all, and cosmog and whatever

But like

[last egret]

I never understood fighting beating dark. Like does working out mean you can beat up a dark room?

[sweet crypt]

It's the mascot of Pokemon Moon

What types are both the non signature moon moves?

That's right, Fairy

It feels like Gamefreak wanted to make moon-related Pokemon Fairy type, then gave up half way

Because I mean

[last egret]

Hear me out, Electric should be super effective against dark because electricity lights up the darkness

[sweet crypt]

Look at some of the earlier gen Pokemon that have ties to the moon

[jade moat]

Moon... And cake. 🙂‍↕️

[sweet crypt]

For example, the Clefairy line

[boreal storm]

Unpopular opinion: pokedex entries that was stupidly glazed a pokemon like Marcargo is hotter than the sun is bullshit

[sweet crypt]

If you think Magcargo is bad, wait until you hear about Lanturn

[boreal storm]

They sounds like it was written by 10 year olds

[sweet crypt]

Hahahaha

[jade moat]

The pokedex is a ride... A singular Charmander existing would turn a whole region tropical if not incinerate it. XD

[sweet crypt]

Yeah

About that

Anyways, back to my rant about Lunala

I've seen multiple people suggest it should be Ghost/Dark and like

???

My brother in christ

This Pokemon's entire thing is giving out light

Are you fucking insane?

That's like making Luxray a Dark type because it is black

And looks angry

Wait...

[boreal storm]

Like, in the anime pokedex was like an encyclopedia, you open it and it has every single fact about pokemon, you don't need to catch the pokemon to know about it, but in the game, you need to catch a pokemon to know it, what if it's you are the one who write it, that's why sometimes it could be very stupid

[broken crater]

My goat

Dedenne

[sweet crypt]

Another thing is people saying that Flygon shouldn't be a Ground type because it is an antlion and should be a bug type instead

Hey, where do antlions spend the first stages of their life?

[broken crater]

The lobby from fortnite chapter 2 season 5

[sweet crypt]

Also, Flygon's dex entries claims that it could start sandstorms

Flygon HA as Sand Strean for Gen 10?

[broken crater]

Ah always wondered who were behind darude

[sweet crypt]

No, that's Tyranitar

Or was it Hippowdon? Idk

[jade moat]

It's spelled Zarude, actually. 🙂

[brisk hedge]

Who TF is darude?

[jade moat]

...and I'm still salty about not getting one.

[jade moat]

Wait, for real? ...no way... XD

[broken crater]

https://youtu.be/y6120QOlsfU?si=i7U11XtT20Bu2OTw

[sick anchor]

I love this card

[broken crater]

Let me introduce you to culture

[broken crater]

Ah you can be one of the annoying people

I hate this fucking deck

0 strat Just waiting for serperior

[sick anchor]

i have no other decks though

[broken crater]

Make your own

I do that aswell

[jade moat]

I should probably get pokepocket... Been teaching the nephew how to play.

[sick anchor]

i guess i could do mew

[boreal storm]

Unpopular opinion: They should just fuse the rock and ground type into one type called earth type

[jade moat]

Mmm... Earth type might be really strong... And would it be good against flying, or useles

[sick anchor]

noooo

[brisk hedge]

https://youtu.be/epgaiKrAM48?si=XIBrq_spye7GsmU_

[jade moat]

I could see an argument for water SE on steel... But again, water already pretty OP...

[boreal storm]

People says newer games were to easy so let's make it harder for fun😊

[coarse estuary]

run and bun rad red and emerald kaizo are calling

[sweet crypt]

Steel is probably the 2nd best type and I can see an argument for 1st, it certainly needs a nerf

But not by what is probably the 3rd best type

[jade moat]

...the newer games definitely give you a lot more gimmes.. like Hop is derpier than Ash by tenfold, and that is a LOW bar.

[sweet crypt]

Which is also arguable for 1st

Like yeah yeah thematics and shit

But if thematics destabalises the balance I don't want it

[cloud lark]

I just want a rival that picks the starter that's strong against yours again

[jade moat]

Exactly, water Vs steel makes sense, but making water just as bad as steel... Not a solution.

[boreal storm]

I have a great idea

[cloud lark]

For all its faults, I feel like XY handled the rival starters near perfectly with how they were given and fought

[boreal storm]

Let's add 100 extra stats poin to every single legendary so it would be harder to catch

[jade moat]

Whyyyyyyy XD

[boreal storm]

And let's made that legendary pokemon could only be catch by a specific pokeballs, like for example if you want to catch Kyogre you need a pokeball that was specifically made to catch kyogre

[sick anchor]

lightwork

[jade moat]

Nah, I greatly dislike this one .. one of my silly things with these games is catching legends in luxury balls.

[boreal storm]

The pokeball that was specifically made for the legendary will looks like the legendary

[sick anchor]

i always catch my legendaries in these

[brisk hedge]

Also, it would make catching legendries more of a pain then it already is

[rugged comet]

Sometimes I try to match their colors to the pokeball

[broken crater]

What if you dont catch legendaries

[coarse estuary]

catch kyogre in a love ball

[broken crater]

Theyre Just there

To not be caught

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/guzma-guzmán-you-stupid-pokémon-gif-24445135

[broken crater]

Not like kor/miraidon

[boreal storm]

Hardcore player

[coarse estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/johannes-eckerstrom-johannes-eckerström-avatar-band-avatar-metal-patrick-star-gif-4312738979165932565

[boreal storm]

I have a lot of ide on how to make pokemon games harder

[sick anchor]

i swear these things have a better catch rate than an ultraball

[broken crater]

Sv is already hard, I mean some pokemon are so hard to catch its impossible

[boreal storm]

I will do it while fighting it with my Groudon

[sweet crypt]

I think the biggest way to make Pokemon harder is to like

Actually give trainers good EVs, IVs, natures and moves

Instead of having the possibility of one random mf having 3 moves

[broken crater]

Its mostly because theyre glitched in a wall

[boreal storm]

One of my idea is adding side jobs

[sweet crypt]

Ofc, this is under the assumption that Gamefreak would provide easier ways to train up your Pokemon

Like they did in SV

Where you can buy the vitamins

[broken crater]

Gf liking its fans? Not a chance

[brisk hedge]

EVs and IVs are something that the game doesn't even tell you exists, much less how they actually work

I do agree that they should stop giving important trainers less than 4 moves

[broken crater]

We can become minimum wage workers

[sweet crypt]

Except it already happened in SV

[broken crater]

Make every gym have 6 pokemon

[sweet crypt]

Though, they are a bit expensive

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/kate-bishop-kate-hawkeye-marvel-obcrack-gif-25103196

[last egret]

People who use luxury balls

[sweet crypt]

If I had it my way, I'd make the vitamins a lot cheaper

[sweet crypt]

Vitamins are purchasable in SV

Though they are a bit expensive

[broken crater]

I hate how I have a full team while this first gym leader has 2 pokemon

Like ofc I am gonna win

[rugged comet]

mochi also exists, basically the same

but dlc

[sick anchor]

what about the xp

[brisk hedge]

Vitamins have been purchasable in several Pokémon games

[sweet crypt]

I cant remember if other games allowed you to buy Vitamins with just

[broken crater]

Well for example if a gym leider has 3

[sweet crypt]

Basic currency

[rugged comet]

and having one that resets evs

[sweet crypt]

Instead of BP and shit

[broken crater]

You would have smt like 22,22,22 23,24,25

[boreal storm]

And then made everything 10× more expensive so people will actually do the job

[sweet crypt]

So yeah, I think if Gamefreak made EV and IV training more accessible and gave opposing trainers better EVs and IVs, that could be pretty cool

[broken crater]

Nah I Just dont buy shit ever, I have so much pokecoins it stopped counting

[sweet crypt]

It's not like you're losing the biggest advantage that I think most people are overlooking

That being the fact that you're a human

Fighting the AI

[coarse estuary]

oh this whole kyogre thing reminded me of a time back when i was just getting into pokemon and i lost to kyogre in oras and i didnt know you could go back through a path on the left to refight it to try and ko or catch it again so i thought i was softlocked and didnt think to google anything and thus reset my game llol

[sweet crypt]

You WILL play better than the opponent

[brisk hedge]

And actually told the player that they exist and how they work

[sweet crypt]

At least, I hope you would

[brisk hedge]

And show you the damn number

[sweet crypt]

Since Pokemon's trainer AI is subpar at best

[sweet crypt]

Yeah basically

And I don't think this is extremely unrealistic either

[last egret]

Vitamins should be expensive. If they weren’t nothing is stopping the player from by 1000 vitamins and completely maxing out their Pokémon early in the game

[sweet crypt]

Gamefreak has been taking big steps to making competitive more approachable for casual players

[sweet crypt]

And that's why we could have opponents also have EVs and shit

[last egret]

Eh maybe but not by default

You realize that a lot of kids who have no idea what natures, IV’s and EV’s are play Pokémon

[sweet crypt]

Yeah so just like

Have them be better explained

[brisk hedge]

Pokémon Platinum

[boreal storm]

Ok, then let's make that your pokemon needs to eat and drink

[sweet crypt]

Simple solution

[rugged comet]

spamming full restores after 1 dmg is brilliant what do you mean?

[sweet crypt]

Oh neat

[sweet crypt]

Nah, using Super Potions at full HP is where it's at

[broken crater]

And they die if they dont

[sweet crypt]

Isn't that right, Blaine?

[rugged comet]

never seen that

[coarse estuary]

we need an optinal hard mode like bw2 had that is easier to turn on and make it actually work. bw2s hard mode was broken where the stats didnt match the level raise so even though they had higher levels it was still the stats of whatever level it was in normal mode

[sweet crypt]

What the fuck autocorrect

[last egret]

Yeah lemme explain to a 5 year old kid how to min-max EV’s and IV’s and to know which Pokémon are optimal with which nature

[sweet crypt]

Who tf is Blaina

[boreal storm]

Yes, like tamagotchi

[broken crater]

Inma sleep now

[last egret]

I think a challenge mode would be good

[broken crater]

I lost cuz this deck is stupid

I want pokemon tower back

[boreal storm]

They also gonna leave your team if you didn't give them much love

[last egret]

Maybe if you add a harder mode they can then have better items, EV’s, maybe better trainer AI

[broken crater]

Where you have random team

[broken crater]

Bye bye shiny legendarg

[last egret]

do you guys consider N a champion?

[rugged comet]

he did beat alder

[sweet crypt]

My main worry with adding EVs to trainers

[last egret]

He straight up beat the champion before you got there, which would make him a champion be default right?

[sweet crypt]

Is that people will be whiny bitches about it

[delicate hollow]

I don't care what everyone says... Pokemon Crystal version is still the best game in the whole wide world and if it gets a modern remake in 10 years from now then I'm going to lose my mind and shut myself away from the real world because I will fall in love with it all over again and play it 9000 times non stop no sleep no rest call me crazy that's who I am

[sweet crypt]

Which is why making a Pokemon game harder is so difficult

Because that's like

The simplest way of making them harder

[last egret]

Ghetsis’s BW2 team is arguably the best team of any non-champion NPC (excluding postgame trainers)

[jade moat]

Yeah, I love how "Pokemon raised in battle are stronger than wild ones!" is literally the only tip you get that acknowledges that entire system... And it doesn't elaborate on that at all in 30 years. XD

[last egret]

Ghetsis ran a life orb Hydreigon with max frustration in a generation without fairy types. He was genuinely a menace

[brisk hedge]

This is why they should have difficulty modes

[sweet crypt]

SV hard mode where Geeta is piloted by Blunder and he forces you to play Kingambit Sucker Punch Mindgames

[sick anchor]

i did feel like pokemon sv was too easy

[sweet crypt]

I wish Geeta's Espathra was the Speed Boost Calm Mind Stored Power set

That would've been hilarious

In fact, make it her ace

[rugged comet]

I think it was about right for me, although I was underleveled for e4 and the end

[sweet crypt]

So that some random person clicks Shadow Ball on it with Skeledirge, it terastalises into Fairy and then sets up and sweeps

[jade moat]

That's actually a thing??! I built that and wondered why no one else did... But never worked out very well for me. XD

[sweet crypt]

That may be a skill issue

Because Espathra is broken in current OU and banned

[jade moat]

...I mean, yeah, likely. XD

[sweet crypt]

Unless you were using it in Ubers

[boreal storm]

Regi

[sweet crypt]

Which in that case

No shit sherlock

Ofc Espathra will get destroyed by the high power level of Ubers

[sick anchor]

i didnt feel challenged

[rugged comet]

and I could have grinded a bit more, but I was slightly rushing for the shiny ray

[jade moat]

I was waaaaay underpowered for Geeta, yeah.

Still won, but it was dicey.

[sick anchor]

idk maybe it was my team or smth

[sweet crypt]

Geeta is generally easier than most champions

Partially because Skeledirge is the GOAT

[boreal storm]

I has a great idea

People says that Regigigas was bad

[sick anchor]

fuecoco was my starter too

[rugged comet]

I used the grass cat

[sweet crypt]

And even outside of that, her Ace is a lead, Kingambit revolves around prediction which an AI can't really do, and her Espathra is the wrong set

DLC kinda turns her into a fucking menace though

Really just got hit by the Tera Flying Kingambit

I didn't mention Veluza, Avalugg and Gogoat because they kinda just exist

[rugged comet]

who is also pretty good because flower trick

love never missing guranteed crits

[sweet crypt]

All the Gen 9 starters are actually very good when it comes to how good they actually are

[brisk hedge]

That’s vaulting Veluza to you

[boreal storm]

So let's make Regigigas can learn move every move that all other Regi can learn and Regigigas will also immune to every other Regis type

[sweet crypt]

They're also my favourite starter trio by far because peak

[sick anchor]

no

[sweet crypt]

💀

[jade moat]

I went with dancing BIRB, which was... Not the goat. XD (I play without spoilers.)

[brisk hedge]

Of course he’s not a goat, he’s a Duck

[jade moat]

Quack.

[sweet crypt]

Quaq is probably the worst of the 3 starters in terms of how good it is, but it's still easily an upper end starter

[boreal storm]

Oh come on, there's only 6 Regis which mean she only immune to 6 type there's 11 other type that could hurt her

[rugged comet]

I did find a goat in my run, a shiny one

[sick anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/fuecoco-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-27254197

[sweet crypt]

When your competition includes stuff like Meganium, Charizard and Sceptile

[sick anchor]

her?

[sweet crypt]

And base Samurott

That's uhh

Not very hard

[brisk hedge]

6 is still more immunities than any other Pokémon in the game

[boreal storm]

I like to imagine Regigigas as a tired single mother with 5 children

[jade moat]

Does anyone else think it'd be nice to see PIF's hidden ability ball become an official thing? Like seriously, why are those always such a pain in the ass?

[rugged comet]

well, kind of

[boreal storm]

Regigigas has slow start, that would certainly help right?

[sick anchor]

i thought it was a king or some shit

[rugged comet]

shedinja exists

[boreal storm]

Idk, Manaphy was called ocean prince

[brisk hedge]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

[jade moat]

The Pokemon Formerly Known As Prince.

[sweet crypt]

OK, but Regigigas is actually bulky

While Shedinja literally dies to a single spike

Or a slight wisp

Or a grain of sand

[rugged comet]

which is why I said kind of

[sweet crypt]

Or a sneaky pebble

[jade moat]

Wonder Guard is such a cool skill, but being on Shedinja alone is kind of a bummer. I think we could have like an ice or grass Wonder Guard user.

[sick anchor]

or goodra

[jade moat]

Dragon maybe not enough weaknesses to not make it super OP, hence why I suggested ice or grass. 🙂

[sick anchor]

nah i think goodra needs another form fr

[rugged comet]

how about a grass/ice type with wonder guard

[jade moat]

That's like what like... 9 weaknesses? XD

[rugged comet]

7

[jade moat]

I mean... 7 weaknesses and 11 immunities (wtf is stellar...?) still seems okay.

[rugged comet]

it's tied for the most weaknesses

stellar is a special tera type

[jade moat]

Oh right, gem turtle.

[sweet crypt]

Stellar is a very fraudulent tera type

The only Pokemon it is the best option on is Terapagos

Because it is its only option

[cloud lark]

It's almost the best option for Enamorus and Serperior

[sweet crypt]

Even on a Contrary Pokemon, Enamorus has other sets it may prefer while Serperior needs coverage

[cloud lark]

Almost

[jade moat]

Huh... Never even knew Enamorus was a thing... Guess I gotta play more Legends Aeceus.

[sweet crypt]

Enamorus is a bitch if you want to use Enam-T in Trick Room

[coarse estuary]

if i was to start up a genlocke would anyone here wanna help me stay motivated to get past gens 2 and 4 my 2 least fave gens

[sage ore]

Explain the rules real quick? I’m unfamiliar

[sick anchor]

what did gen 4 do to you?

[coarse estuary]

basically how a genlocke works is you beat all gens in an order and the living members of the champ team are bread down to the next game usually given a different reward depending on how many legs (aka gens) its survives

[coarse estuary]

its just really slow and i lose interest quickly

[sage ore]

Damn, that is an undertaking

[coarse estuary]

mm hmm

[next moon]

So what pokémon should be other types (if any of you say Charizard or flygon I will eat your house)

[sick anchor]

goodra

[next moon]

Are you team water or team poison?

[brisk hedge]

Volbeat and Illumise should be part flying, Absol should either be part Psychic or part Fairy and Golduck should be part Psychic