other-pokemon-games

[wraith musk]

reflect

sticky web

[sweet crypt]

Should've brought hazard control

[wraith musk]

tailwind

[wraith musk]

exactly

[proper iris]

I'm a gen 6 fan myself. Though I'm not one for comp, i just bred the pokemon for my comp pals

[wraith musk]

some guy said

cry kid

and left

in 2 turns

[graceful osprey]

This is why we being a rapid spin

[unkempt egret]

also saying bee is also implying you got past ULTRA NECRO and got stuck there

[wraith musk]

mortal spin

[graceful osprey]

Or a magic bounce

[wraith musk]

espeon

[unkempt egret]

...or is this on comp in which case my b

[graceful osprey]

Or boots to our ×4 weak to rock mon

[sweet crypt]

Iirc, I beat someone's stall team in NatDex Ubers once with Lunala since only their Ho-Oh had Toxic

[wraith musk]

my scyther

with quick attacks

linge

dual wingbeat

swords dance

[sweet crypt]

When I met them on ladder later, they added a new move to their Chansey

Which wasn't Toxic

But fucking Shadow Ball

[graceful osprey]

Why

[sweet crypt]

I set up on their Chansey again

[wraith musk]

yeah cuz it lost moves

[sweet crypt]

And swept

Again

I dont even think I Terastalised on Shadow Ball

[wraith musk]

like 70% if the dex lost toxic

[sweet crypt]

Because I mean

[wraith musk]

and t wave

[sweet crypt]

It's a Chansey

[sweet crypt]

It was NatDex iirc

[wraith musk]

and recovery moves (all) were cut to 8

[sweet crypt]

So Chansey would've still been able to learn Toxic

[wraith musk]

then the person was dummy

dum dum

also who tf uses chansey

we ball with drain punch urshifu

[graceful osprey]

Why does dondozo have unaware

That annoys me

[wraith musk]

cuz he don't give af

and he curse

[sweet crypt]

I find it hilarious that I set up on someone using a Ghost move with Lunala but when you realise it is a Chansey it all starts to make sense

[wraith musk]

a lot

[proper iris]

Not enough braincells

[sweet crypt]

Thematic reasons

[graceful osprey]

Fair

[wraith musk]

he curses too much

he's not aware

[graceful osprey]

I guess his two abilities are Unaware and Oblivious

[sweet crypt]

Why does Kingambit get stronger when its friends die

[wraith musk]

because

[proper iris]

Less competition

[graceful osprey]

Goku

[sweet crypt]

It is stated to not give a shit about whether its pawns die or not

[wraith musk]

no

[graceful osprey]

Cause he's goku

[wraith musk]

obv

because

https://tenor.com/view/kingambit-pokemon-vgc-pokemon-vgc-best-pokemon-gif-1627566146898414505

[sweet crypt]

It just sacrifices its army to brute force opponents in canon iirc

Instead of yknow

Strategising

[proper iris]

Basically that yes

[wraith musk]

because opponents are worn down

it gets motivated to finish things up

[sweet crypt]

Bro does not seem like he'd power up from anger or whatever over its comrades dying

[wraith musk]

and tries it's best

[graceful osprey]

Just to get ohkod

[wraith musk]

not at all

[proper iris]

It's just opportunity

[graceful osprey]

Xause geeta is a bad trainer

[wraith musk]

mach punch

[wraith musk]

real

[sweet crypt]

Every trainer is a bad trainer if they aren't a human trainer

[graceful osprey]

How the fuck is Geeta still top champion

[sweet crypt]

Pokemon's AI is too exploitable and overall just bad

[proper iris]

...Oh I forgot to check the Old Chateau

[graceful osprey]

Are the elite 4 just to lazy to take her spot

Poppy walls her

[wraith musk]

there is a fucking child in there

[proper iris]

I'm guessing she has money and pays them all

[wraith musk]

3 ???

[graceful osprey]

Ah

I guess 3

[sweet crypt]

If Gamefreak didn't pull punches in teambuilding, they could make up for bad AI with broken team

But they are clearly not doing that except for like

[wraith musk]

obv not larry

[graceful osprey]

Bdsp

[sweet crypt]

AI Professors, BDSP E4 and Volo

[graceful osprey]

Bdsp

Yea

[wraith musk]

poor guy is both a gym leader AND a e4 member

[proper iris]

I didn't say she pays enough

[wraith musk]

and he's aged

unlike koga

plus

BOTH jobs

Koga is only e4 in johto

[sweet crypt]

Like imagine Geeta if her team had optimal sets and ordering

Everyone would be struggling

[graceful osprey]

I love how she still has the gall to call herself top champion when Nemona beat her going all out

[wraith musk]

honestly that's a comp team ryt there

[proper iris]

We need difficulties back

[graceful osprey]

while holding back

[wraith musk]

bw2 easy mode

[sweet crypt]

Espathra, Kingambit and Glimmora are all very threatening when built correctly

[wraith musk]

obv

1 of them is ubers

[graceful osprey]

She lost to a child holding back

Retire

[wraith musk]

lmao

[sweet crypt]

But Gamefreak is too scared to build teams optimally

Because children can be pretty terrible at playing games

[wraith musk]

no offense but uh

smol kids play this

[sweet crypt]

Iirc, Sada's Flutter Mane does not have Moonblast

[proper iris]

Hence why difficulties are needed

[sweet crypt]

Either that or Shadow Ball I forgor

[graceful osprey]

It has dazzling gleam

[wraith musk]

they want cool croc to use flamethrower

not die to a flower

[proper iris]

Older players need a challenge, kiddos need fun

[wraith musk]

yup

[sweet crypt]

Yeah Flutter Mane has

[graceful osprey]

I enjoy both

[sweet crypt]

0 Fairy STAB

[proper iris]

Or maybe either could have either.

[sweet crypt]

On Sada's team

[wraith musk]

pathetic

[proper iris]

I know I'd like a more chill gameplay sometimes

[sweet crypt]

Otherwise though I will say its moveset is pretty strong

[wraith musk]

it needs calm mind

[sweet crypt]

Shadow Ball, Flamethrower, Tbolt, Power Gem

[graceful osprey]

They just need to

[wraith musk]

quiver dance

[graceful osprey]

Base game out

[wraith musk]

[graceful osprey]

Then like 3 years later remaster the game and make kt

Yk ow

Hard

[wraith musk]

give darkrai dark void back

smeargle allegations ended a while back

[sweet crypt]

The only battle I've lost to in recent times is like

[graceful osprey]

He really didn't deserve that

[wraith musk]

ik

[sweet crypt]

Volo

[wraith musk]

oliv

[sweet crypt]

Even BDSP Cynthia, while probably one of the harder fights, was first try

[wraith musk]

same lmao

[graceful osprey]

The only reason I lost to Volo is cause he was 6 levels above me

[wraith musk]

I've not played yet

legends

[proven geyser]

should have like "are you more experienced with the specifics of pokemon? Or do you prefer a more casual approach?"

[sweet crypt]

The playstyle of L:A is pretty tough

[proper iris]

It is

[wraith musk]

YESS

like unbound

[sweet crypt]

The opponent can swap in a counter and use the SE STAB move in 1 turn

And that makes it far harder than any other Pokemon game

[graceful osprey]

I lovs how hard node does basically nothing is bw2

Like yea items

[wraith musk]

it's easier

[graceful osprey]

But the stats for all the mons is the same

You just get more exp

[wraith musk]

the stats don't effect (glitch)

[graceful osprey]

Cause higher levels

[wraith musk]

but exp is higher

so it's easier

easy mod is harder

[sweet crypt]

Hard Mode increases levels, gives items, and I think changes movesets in a few cases

[proven geyser]

bw2 is free items to thief yippie

[wraith musk]

cuz -20% level game

[proper iris]

Is2g if this Gastly kills itself‐

[wraith musk]

is hard

[sweet crypt]

Sheer Force Life Orb Druddigon makes multiple appearances weirdly

[proper iris]

GASTLY ON TEAM

[wraith musk]

it's already dead

[wraith musk]

[proven geyser]

POG POG

[sweet crypt]

Focus Sash Haxorus with Dragon Dance is pretty scary casually

[wraith musk]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-misty-gastly-haunter-gengar-gif-20233484

[proper iris]

I just learned ghost pokemon can actually die. At least some of them, at least in the anime.

[sweet crypt]

But in my experience, it usually doesn't click DD

[proper iris]

There was a dead totem Trevenant

[wraith musk]

this always confused tf outa me

[proper iris]

So.

[wraith musk]

so is Jesus cannon ?

[proven geyser]

*mimikyu actually!!

[proper iris]

Mew

[wraith musk]

how

that's a cross

[proven geyser]

for the totem

[wraith musk]

there is no relation

[sweet crypt]

Probably not Jesus but some Pokemon equivalent

[wraith musk]

we still dk

[proper iris]

/j

[sweet crypt]

Idk though, I don't watch the anime

[wraith musk]

or arcues is just his steed

[proper iris]

The first season should be taken with a heap of salt

Bc they gave no fucks

[proven geyser]

the only reason they had any real world stuff in the games and anime was because none of the pokeworlds theology existed yet

[wraith musk]

yes

it was uncanny reading how random places were mentioned in RBY entries

[proper iris]

It's also the funniest season partly for the same reason

[wraith musk]

I'm pretty sure it's straight up said where mew was in FRLG

[proper iris]

Guyana

Yes

[wraith musk]

lmfao

[proven geyser]

ok so, fennekin is braixen now and has nearly 100 spatk and speed evs

[wraith musk]

nice !

[proven geyser]

it needs the speed bc it has less than 10 speed ivs

i know it's the basic playthrough but i dont care

im smarter now so I'm playing stronger

[wraith musk]

but-

the ai is too simple

why-

[proven geyser]

funni

[wraith musk]

[proven geyser]

he also has 31 hp iv

[wraith musk]

honestly for me

I just like me prismarina and delphox female

[proven geyser]

it took a couple levels to calc it for certain, but bro is beefy, the defense is also fairly high

[wraith musk]

I just take any male ralts and make em gallade

cuz why not

they're rare

[wraith musk]

damn

[proven geyser]

ahhh i see

this was a more recent sc of the probable ivs

HP, atk, def, spatk, spdef, speed

[sweet crypt]

Is that 10 SpA and 1 Speed

No wait, the last 2 numbers Both represent possible Speed

[proven geyser]

yes

[sweet crypt]

Or well

Lines of numbers

[proven geyser]

theyre a range

[sweet crypt]

So worst case, 20 SpA and 0 Speed

... That's a terrible speed IV to get

[proven geyser]

yes

[sweet crypt]

On Delphox at least

[proven geyser]

i was frustrated atm and wanted to sleep so i took what i got

[sweet crypt]

If you were forced to delete a Pokemon line, what would it be?

[proper iris]

That's a hard one...

... Jynx

Sorry smoochum, you're cute, but this is for the greater good

[sweet crypt]

Personally, all the Pokemon I hate are in a evo line... except for one

[proven geyser]

more up-to-date IV possibilities

[sweet crypt]

Goodbye Flutter Mane, some may miss you but I sure as fuck won't

[unkempt egret]

flavor wise, also jynx but for the opposite reason (sorry jynx but your child needs shelter)

[proven geyser]

fudder mane,,,,

[unkempt egret]

gameplay wise, absolutely the chansey line

[sweet crypt]

Bro got hit by the Stall team

[proper iris]

Surprised no one said miltank

[sweet crypt]

Reportedly did not bring a wallbreaker

[proven geyser]

Fenn's lowest possible spatk is actually 23 apparently

[unkempt egret]

hard to catch, invalidates special attackers in-game by existing, makes a bunch of pokemon much worse in GO because of balance, ect, wvt

also I wasn't thinking about comp rofl

[proper iris]

Same

[sweet crypt]

Some special attackers could just bring Psyshock

Some can brute force it

[unkempt egret]

also miltank's fine, yall just didn't heed the "please use status moves and geodude" lesson

[sweet crypt]

Whether with pure power or SE attacks

[unkempt egret]

in-game

[proven geyser]

miltank is just bad because it's stats are high for a gym at that point

[proper iris]

We were all kids

[sweet crypt]

But yeah for the most part Blissey fucks over Special Attackers

[unkempt egret]

imo it's cheese to the same level as shedinja is

[sweet crypt]

So are Scyther's, but Scyther's moveset was ass

[proper iris]

Also fucking rollout

[proven geyser]

miltank forced you to think more

[sweet crypt]

In fact, same for Starmie

[unkempt egret]

again, disregarding comp at all

[sweet crypt]

The biggest issue with Whitney's Miltank is the moveset, I suspect

[proper iris]

But tbh i like miltank. Cute lil dairy mascot

[unkempt egret]

the game does give you answers for rollout (ground types, dig TM, machop if you get lucky with stomp, flash to an extent

and yea miltank's perfectly fine for me

[proper iris]

It's that one miltank in particular that's annoying

[proven geyser]

she is just a lil gal tbh

[sweet crypt]

I haven't played a Johto game so I don't mind Miltank

[unkempt egret]

if I were deleting an entire line for flavor uuuh

[hard plume]

dude I haven't played in the johto era, and even I know the memes of whitney's miltank

[unkempt egret]

what exactly are we gaining for gulpin/swalot? like I don't dislike them but it does kinda mess with the pollution trio of grimer/koffing/trubbish

[proper iris]

Not quite a line but I'd delete all pikaclones past gen 5

[sweet crypt]

I'd rather delete Muk line

[digital grail]

There's not many counters for Whitneys miltank in gen 2; You are expected to beat it using a member of the Geodude line available right before, but you're likelt to just not find it.

[sweet crypt]

Imo, Gulpin line is better than Grimer line

[unkempt egret]

I legit can't think of an entire line that's just bad

[proper iris]

Sorry we already have too many cheeky critters

[sweet crypt]

And they fill the same niche

[proven geyser]

idk i dont like gulpin

[proper iris]

Gulpin is cute

[proven geyser]

not because name but

weird

[sweet crypt]

But yeah, I'd delete Flutter Mane, fuck Flutter Mane

[proper iris]

But never really used it

[hard plume]

oh same

[unkempt egret]

as I said I don't mind them but

[sweet crypt]

Me and my homies hate Flutter Mane

[digital grail]

no not misdrevious 😔

[hard plume]

I never had a burning hatred for any mon

[proven geyser]

i love flutter sm

[proper iris]

I just like the little stomach blob

[hard plume]

yes, even the ones that are notoriously hated

[unkempt egret]

actually if we're deleting any single mon

[sweet crypt]

Misdreavus is not part of the Flutter Mane line

[unkempt egret]

can I send stakataka to the shadow realm for that stupid lonely thing

[proven geyser]

i love how tilted comp players get at the funni ghost fairy

[digital grail]

only pokemon I hate hate is Incinneroar.

[proven geyser]

VGC PLAYER DETECTED

[sweet crypt]

I also just dislike the fact that it is sooooo fucking uncreative and yet gets praised for creativity

[unkempt egret]

(context: lonely nature + 15 defense IV or below turns beast boost into moxie)

[hard plume]

there's something funny about a little guy opening their big ass mouth

[sweet crypt]

I could make a more creative Pokemon than THAT

Easily the least creative Paradox

Nothing comes close

[proven geyser]

ive never heard flutter being praised as creative at all

[digital grail]

Nah, I'm still upset he stands on 2 legs

[unkempt egret]

which is like one of the only mons I can think of that outright cripples itself in that sense

[sweet crypt]

Iron Jugulis? Scream Tail? Yeah, no

[hard plume]

oh you're gonna have to fight against me because i freakin' love that wrestler tiger

[sweet crypt]

Flutter Mane is less creative than the both of them

[unkempt egret]

(save for GO were deleting one's attack stat is normal behavior there)

[digital grail]

Sprigatito did Litten better

[proper iris]

Ok so hear me out:
Venonat and Venomoth.
I love them with all my heart but they're so so SO weak and forgotten by everyone.
Poor guys could maybe be better left uncreated so their cuteness couldn't be forgotten

[proper iris]

PREACH

[sweet crypt]

A 4 year old could've done a better job of making a Paradox Misdreavus

[unkempt egret]

leafeon did sprigatito better tho

[proven geyser]

i mean sure but i like how simple flutter is

[unkempt egret]

so fun fact about the venos

[sweet crypt]

I am not hearing you out

[proper iris]

As an eeveelution fanatic: maybe, but it could never hadn't as nice of a name

[sweet crypt]

What kind of Moth Blasphemy is this

[proper iris]

Sprigatito is the best name out there

[sweet crypt]

The moths are sacred beings and I will not tolerate slander

[unkempt egret]

after HG/SS They didn't appear again in a maingame for 12 years discounting Lets GO

[proven geyser]

it's not slander if you're lamenting how ass veno is

[unkempt egret]

missed gens 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8

[sweet crypt]

Better than most Bugs in battle

[proper iris]

They've been relegated to nothing and that's a fate worse than not existing

[proven geyser]

at the time aure

[sweet crypt]

Mr NUBL

[hard plume]

considering that volcarona was considered as a sun deity by some people, you might be on to something

[sweet crypt]

In the flesh

[digital grail]

Just Swap Venonat line to Viridian and it could become Gen 1s 4th terrible bug pokemon

[graceful osprey]

I love how vikavolt is so disappointing

[unkempt egret]

I think Persian and Stantler also suffered the same fate outside of regional forms

[graceful osprey]

Your high sp atk don't mean nothing if you just die before you can go

[hard plume]

well? it's a railgun beetle

[proven geyser]

LMAO mood i love that about him too

[proper iris]

BUT THEY GOT REGIONAL FORMS

THEY WERE REMEMBERED

[graceful osprey]

Don't worry

[unkempt egret]

people who look at exactly one stat in the spread be like

[graceful osprey]

It'll probably get a mega

[sweet crypt]

Venomoth is like the 3rd or 4th best Pokemon at using Quiver Dance

[graceful osprey]

Vokavolt isn't bad

[sweet crypt]

It isn't much since the only Pokemon that's good at using Quiver Dance is Volcarona

[graceful osprey]

It's just very slow

[sweet crypt]

But still

[hard plume]

regional forms and alt evos saved their lives

[proven geyser]

VOLCARONA WOO WOO WOO WOO

[digital grail]

Only stat that matters is how much damage I can do

[sweet crypt]

Volcarona is so peak

[proper iris]

Also Meowth got a lot going for him and won't ever be forgotten, so the line itself isn't being forgotten anytime soon

[graceful osprey]

It has a really good special attack stat

[proven geyser]

i lOVE POKEMON THAT THE GAME PRETENDS ARE LEGENDARY FOR NO REASON ITS FUNNNNNNNNY

[graceful osprey]

The one weakness of Gen 5

[proper iris]

Even if Persian is not as remembered

[hard plume]

again, it's a railgun
combat wise, this duder can destroy trees.
outside of combat, it can move pretty fast

[unkempt egret]

keyword: meowth

[graceful osprey]

Every pokemon needing to be level 60 to evolve

[unkempt egret]

hence why perrseker is just bigger meowth

[sweet crypt]

If Volcarona was a legendary, I wouldn't be too shocked

[graceful osprey]

I love unova to death

[proper iris]

Are we talking rotom or arcanine type "fake legendary"

[unkempt egret]

arcanine moment

[proven geyser]

rotom duh

[hard plume]

I mean... if it ain't broke....

[graceful osprey]

But damn are the evolution levels stupid

[sweet crypt]

I'm OK with Volcarona's level up condition being so tough

[unkempt egret]

then florges and gholdengo just like "???"

[sweet crypt]

It's extremely strong, and extremely cool

[digital grail]

Give Persian an ability that boosts crit rates for old times sake

[proper iris]

We need a new class of mons.
"Faux mythicals"

[unkempt egret]

actually now that we have "legends" at like 540 and 550 BST

[sweet crypt]

It was presented as an extremely rare and powerful Pokemon

[graceful osprey]

The onlynother option to getting it in relic casle is an egg

I'm not ok with it

[sweet crypt]

And the obtainment method matching up makes sense

[proper iris]

For all the ones we had presented to us like if they were mythicals/legendaries but weren't

[graceful osprey]

I mean so was Zoroark

So what's your point

[proven geyser]

i love how stupid the levels are in unova its so ass and you wanna rip your fucking hair out but its SO FUNNY

[proper iris]

Zoroark, Lucario, Rotom, etc

[sweet crypt]

Zoroark happens to not match up to its presentation

[unkempt egret]

and now the ones that aren't presented as mythicals/legendaries but are glares at meltan*

[sweet crypt]

Rotom doesn't evolve and is not very eligible for this discussion

[graceful osprey]

I love how the zoura in gen 5 is required for the dex but requires a specific event celebi from hgss

[hard plume]

Gonna be honest
I do like that rotom got converted from legendary to "surprisingly common"
it really does make you think what people consider as "legendary".
And I like that the three birds have galarian forms. It hints that there is a possibility that the three birds are more common in some areas.
And I would love to learn more about it

[graceful osprey]

If you don't have this celebi then fuck you

[hard plume]

oh yeah that's unforgivable

[sweet crypt]

Lucario is also not very great but more importantly I HATE FRIENDSHIP EVOS AAAAAA

[unkempt egret]

they really wanted it to be Unovian Lucario

[graceful osprey]

No dex for you

I'm fine with friendship evos

[hard plume]

No dex for you! you come back one year!

[graceful osprey]

The ones I hate are time specific

[sweet crypt]

Riolu's evolution is even worse than JUST a friendship evo

[proven geyser]

friendship is fine, yeah time specific

[unkempt egret]

but then people just wanted lucario itself and GF didn't try to replicate a mascot again outside of pikachu (tradition)

[sweet crypt]

IT'S A DAY ONLY FRIENDSHIP EVO

WHY

[digital grail]

"Evolve with High Friendship at night"

[unkempt egret]

shoutouts to me using riolu for comedy in Y

[sweet crypt]

Snom flashbacks

[graceful osprey]

There's also uh

[proper iris]

Friendship evos aren't bad as long as you got some patience and/or berries

[unkempt egret]

took out diantha's tyrantrum too!

[graceful osprey]

Sneasler amd weavile

Day and night evos

Weavile night sneaseler dau

I think

[hard plume]

you wanna know what grinds my gears?
the ones that are weather specific.
seriously, you have no idea how hard it was to evolve my sliggoo.
I had to pray to the weather gods to evolve the gooey slug dragon

[unkempt egret]

or the evos that are untranslatable japanese puns like Gmask and Hasculin

[graceful osprey]

yes I do

[hard plume]

I wish we had some kind of weather prediction system.

[graceful osprey]

It took me a solid 2 fucking hours to evolve my sliggo

[hard plume]

that way, we can tell which areas are rainy, sunny, or snowy

[sweet crypt]

The worst evo method is trade evos

And Palafin

[graceful osprey]

I love how we had that in gen 8

[unkempt egret]

I mean gen 8 does at least

[sweet crypt]

Those 2 are equally ass

[proper iris]

No but like, when there's two possible evos for different times of day, it's less bad than if there's only one evo

[graceful osprey]

Then they took it away

[proper iris]

Agreed

[graceful osprey]

Nah

[proper iris]

I AM A LONELY BITCH

[graceful osprey]

The trade specific evos

[proper iris]

PLEASE I CANNOT TRADE

[unkempt egret]

"whats the weather today"
"ITS SANDSTORMIN."
"where"
"EVERYWHERE."
"thanks milo."

[sweet crypt]

I hope Nintendo Eshop is available in your region

Or you're just absolutely fucked

[graceful osprey]

You need to trade karablast with a shelmet otherwise it will not evolve either of them

[hard plume]

oh palafin
always the bridesmaid
never the bride

[graceful osprey]

Me who has both versions and two ds so I can local trade with myself

Same for switch

[proper iris]

It was.
Then the 3ds network was ended

[graceful osprey]

My brother has one and let's me use it for local trading

[hard plume]

i'm gonna vouch for link cables being in the main game.
because there will be a time that you are not connected to the internet or have no friends.
and you need to evolve a guy STAT

[digital grail]

We'll have to trade at high friendship with this specific item in the snow at high noon to evolve the gen 10 regional bug pokemon

[hard plume]

yeah that's painful

[graceful osprey]

Hey as long as it's not galarian yamask

[sweet crypt]

I have to lie about my location and buy Nintendo gift cards from shady websites to get Nintendo Online

[proper iris]

Just tell me to go screw myself at that point

[graceful osprey]

Honestly

[sweet crypt]

Fun

[graceful osprey]

I find dusk form lycanrock way more annoying than day or night evos

[hard plume]

i had to use streams run by bots to get certain legendaries.
and had to use the chat from that to get a non-shiny jirachi

[proper iris]

Fair

[sweet crypt]

Woah who could've thunk it

[graceful osprey]

You have a 5 minute time frame and if you don't have candies

[proper iris]

Ursaluna also

[graceful osprey]

Fuck you

[hard plume]

ah yes... the ability specific form

from a special event

[graceful osprey]

Me who has like 10 peat blocks in legends

So I'm fine with it

I play legends to much

So question

[hard plume]

...you know what? I'm glad that dexit happened.
because we have so many duders now that it is going to be painful to catch them all.
especially since some of them are EVENT EXCLUSIVE

[graceful osprey]

Is there a competitive scene for Legends?

[hard plume]

i don't think so

[sweet crypt]

It has no multiplayer

So no

[proper iris]

Exactly

[graceful osprey]

But you can trade pokemon

Why can't we battle

[sweet crypt]

It is also just definitely not meant to be played multiplayer

[proper iris]

Honestly it was already annoying on like gen 4 or so

[hard plume]

you think that the goddamn past can allow you to connect to other players?

[sweet crypt]

The battle mechanics would not be fun in multiplayer

At all

[proper iris]

But if you wanna catch them all when there's over 1k mons

That's just crazy

[graceful osprey]

It also has electrical appliances so what's your point

[hard plume]

those got thrown through time and space

[proper iris]

The arc phone doesn't get signal there

[graceful osprey]

It's a god phone

Sure it does

[hard plume]

it's a phone that arceus made

[graceful osprey]

Can my cable just come in

I wanna play bt1

[proper iris]

Arceus made the phone but not the phone towers

[hard plume]

arceus will give you bars

who needs the phone towers

[graceful osprey]

Hes god

Phone towers are not needed

[sweet crypt]

It's a bit ironic how I talk about worshipping moths when my PFP is Latios

[hard plume]

latios can be a moth

if you squint hard enough

[sweet crypt]

The context for me worshipping moths is that I made a Mono Moth team when SV was new

It was ass but it was incredibly funny

And also, it's very hype when you start sweeping someone with a Frosmoth

[hard plume]

imagine getting sweeped by an adorable moth

[sweet crypt]

I love Quiver Dance

Such a fucking cracked, absurd move

[proper iris]

The only weakness: lamp

[hard plume]

with beans

all we need is a thunder moth and the trio is complete

[sweet crypt]

Wdym?

[hard plume]

we could have a moth for every type

[sweet crypt]

There's no thunder here

We need Water and Ground/Rock moths

Then we give them all the weather abilities at the same time

We can also buff Frosmoth's stats while we're at it

[hard plume]

holy shit it might be possible

there are aquatic moths

[proper iris]

I want a rosy maple moth pokemon...

Or a Brazilian Royal Moth. Particularly bc the caterpillar prevo would be so badass

[ruby marlin]

|| Just learned that mega jynx was confirm by the leak so it is true (we already knew but now it is confirled)||

[proper iris]

Cytheronia laocoon. Imagine that but with stony spikes as a caterpillar.

And then turning to a cool ground or rock moth

[naive timber]

yall is a 3ds worth

[proper iris]

Yes

Especially now the modding community for the 3ds is thriving

Just make sure the battery is working

That is the most common issue with them nowadays

Remember to also invest on an SD card

Ugh. Brain is numb from grinding levels.

And team is still nowhere near ready for that gym

[graceful osprey]

Something tells me

I'm not getting that aux cord

[proper iris]

What are you trying to play

[graceful osprey]

Bt1

Also it's just nice to have

It was delayed 2 Das for today

And it's not here today

Even after delivery time

When the new packages come in

[naive timber]

modding??

u can mod on a 3ds?

i swear isnt there just old games on it though

[graceful osprey]

Probably

[naive timber]

i was planning on getting a 3ds tbh

since there is a ton of mario games

and pokemon ig

whats the difference between the 2ds and 3ds tho

2ds has the same games

[graceful osprey]

I love how my fire type can learn giga drain

[graceful osprey]

One can't use the 3d function

Feels awful to hold

And is permanently flat

Please of the dumbest ideas they had by far

HOW DID YOU GET PLEASE OUT OF ONE

God I hate autocorrect

[naive timber]

lol#

[naive timber]

alr

ill prob get a 3ds soon

used though

but good condition of course

[graceful osprey]

If you cam get an xl

[naive timber]

yeah i might

i wish you could play 3ds games on a switch man

ive got a switch oled

[graceful osprey]

My hands are even that big and it hurts my hands to use a normal 3ds for to lomg

[naive timber]

llike i wish it was possible to play nds 3ds and gba games on a switch

[graceful osprey]

It probably is

[naive timber]

yea

probably through modding though

[graceful osprey]

Yea

There's a switch cartrage that can fit a microsd card

[naive timber]

i swear the only point people actually get a 3ds nowadays is just to mod it

[graceful osprey]

Just put a rom on that

Nintendo hates it but hey

Fuck them

They're greedy assholes

[naive timber]

nintendo actually hates everything

they tryna sue palworld 😭

they just love to ruin peoples lives

[graceful osprey]

Of course

[naive timber]

didnt know chimchar evolved at lvl 14

[unkempt egret]

want people to play their games as intended, any other way is disrespectful to their vision

[graceful osprey]

then don't make it so hard to get the fucking games

there's a reason I pirate bw2

[naive timber]

lol

[graceful osprey]

just for the cartrage it's $400 minimum

I don't have that kind of money

[unkempt egret]

"sorry, but if you missed out then you missed out. wonder in mystery and intrigue on what you didn't witness yourself"

[west jasper]

Bruh

I have both bw 1 and bw2

[naive timber]

it is?

[west jasper]

(I have all the games actually)

[graceful osprey]

Even if I did have the many for it I'd save it for a pc

[unkempt egret]

also yea the prices probably skyrocketed once COVID hit

[west jasper]

This is a very long time ago tho.

[naive timber]

what the heck

why are the nds games so expensive

[west jasper]

I havent bought a game in 10 years at least.

[naive timber]

you probably got them on release when they were at least 60

[west jasper]

Naah.

I got them for christmas.

[naive timber]

every single one?

[west jasper]

Probably around 40$ to 50$

[graceful osprey]

Maybe not that high but since so few cartrages were made they can kinda just charge you whatever

[west jasper]

I have every single ds pokemon game. (main slot)

[graceful osprey]

And there's nothing you can do about it

[naive timber]

i found a b2 disc for 98 used

[naive timber]

k

[graceful osprey]

And then there's stuff like this

Which is sketch as hell

[west jasper]

I believe I got hg ss emerald diamond pearl platinum at the same time

For 40$ at gamestop

[naive timber]

thats fake

aint no way

[proper iris]

Yep. You can jailbreak it, install fanmade tools, access new networks, use your 3ds to emulate older consoles, etc etc

[naive timber]

yeah gamestop is just broken

[graceful osprey]

What kind of gamestop do you have

[naive timber]

crazy

[west jasper]

This is 2011 during the market crash

[naive timber]

i see why people buy 3ds now

[proper iris]

Not to mention the physical modding! A lot of people like to make new shells

[naive timber]

shells?

[proper iris]

Yeah, the plastic body

[west jasper]

I lied, no hg or ss

[graceful osprey]

One of these thing is not like the others

One of these thing is fake

[naive timber]

yall what are essential 3ds games to play

[graceful osprey]

Can you guess what one

[naive timber]

i had a 3ds before (borrowed for like a week)

but i just played lego

[proper iris]

If you get a modded 3ds, you can install anything

All games you feel like playing

So no need to worry with cartridges

Unless you like collecting those

[naive timber]

any of you people know where i can get a cheap 3ds

i wanna get one for like 60-80

[graceful osprey]

Nope

[graceful osprey]

You're funny

[proper iris]

You'll find broken ones at that price

If any.

[proven geyser]

thats kinda hilarious lmao

[naive timber]

i think i saw one a year ago for that price

lol

[proven geyser]

what was the condition lmfao

[naive timber]

i think the cheapest at the moment is like 130

[proper iris]

2ds may be cheaper but not by much.

[proven geyser]

the one that can close is probably more expensive

[proper iris]

Also you can't fold it so it's clunky as hell

[naive timber]

yeah cheapest one you can get used (with good condition) is 130

from where i am yes

[proven geyser]

it's a fair price tbh

[naive timber]

yea

[proper iris]

Sounds like a decent deal, but ask about the battery

[naive timber]

i would get a 3ds but i need a new pc rn 😭

so i can play other games

and need more storage

[proper iris]

Sometimes they're so bad you'll need a new battery and that's another expense

[naive timber]

i had to delete valorant to free storage

😭

at least i got it on my console

[proven geyser]

bro thats just self care

[tight granite]

My Ds and 3Ds both still work

[proper iris]

Being broke and wanting to play. Can relate

[graceful osprey]

A new battery is like $10-$5

[proper iris]

Really? Wow

Here in Brazil it's way more expensive

[graceful osprey]

Do you not have amazon?

[proven geyser]

braixen now has 131 speed evs

shipping

[naive timber]

when you mod a 3ds do you just instantly have every game

[proven geyser]

no

[graceful osprey]

I will say

If you're going to mod one

[proven geyser]

that's kind of a dumb assumption no offense

[graceful osprey]

Just get an xl

Make it not awful on your hands

There's a reason I take week long breaks from Nintendo stuff

[proper iris]

No. You gotta download them individually.

[proven geyser]

carpal tunnel aah

[proper iris]

But there's the Hshop

[graceful osprey]

yes

[proper iris]

Where you can download them all

[proper iris]

We do but shipping is often more expensive than the product itself

[proven geyser]

jailbreak just gives you the ability to do most of what you want

[graceful osprey]

Oof

[proven geyser]

yeah i figure, it's usually shipping that sucks

[proper iris]

Worst case scenario, i got a bunch of old rechargeable batteries and can solder up an external pack/power bank

Planning on using my 3ds as a controller for my switch emulator

Managed to do it before, just gotta figure out if I can use the touchscreen and accelerometer/gyroscope too. If so, perfection

... Apparently it's possible – on Linux.

cries in windows

[proper iris]

That's a gorgeous collection

[west jasper]

Gotta find the white2

It's in the house somewhere

[proper iris]

Someday I'll find my Soul Silver again

Wishing you luck

[proper iris]

Spent far too long on the cycling road trying to raise the happiness of these guys. Now to get both the bat and the egg evolved

[naive timber]

1 down. 7 to go...

[proper iris]

Hooray

I was just reminded of a science channel I watch, where to announce a fossil that was named "turtwig" (was mistaken as a leaf fossil, was actually little turtles), the host dressed as Roarke.

Also moment of appreciation for the fact we're getting fossils named after pokemon. And that this isn't the first one.

[proper iris]

Togetic and crobat finally obtained

Now to finish leveling up these kiddos

Can't remember the last time I spent an entire day preparing for a gym

[proven geyser]

that is the best possible name for a turtle fossil mistaken for plants

scientists are just nerds with formal training, but still

[proper iris]

There's also Bulbasaurus phylloxiron

..."phylloxiron" meaning "razor leaf"

https://nixillustration.com/science-illustration/2017/bulbasaurus/

This lil dude

While it didn't quite look like the green dinofrog we all know and love

It still would've been right at home in the pokemon world with these looks

... So.
Togetic metronomed "ingrain".
Metronome was the only attacking move it had for now.

I'm stuck facing a level 3 shinx until something happens.

Pp ran out

This is what purgatory looks like

FINALLY

NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY TO USE STRUGGLE

[proud igloo]

Gen 6 beta Mega stats have been revealed and guess what?

Garchomp was robbed

[tight granite]

good#

[proud igloo]

You know how we all joke Mega Garchomp is worse than normal Garchomp?

Because it is

Well turns out it wasn’t the case before.

Instead of having +20 Special Attack that nobody asked for, it had +20 SPEED

Can you imagine how horrifying that would have been?

170 Attack plus 122 speed?

[unkempt egret]

losing 10 points in the one stat everyone cares about smh

probably guessed that was too strong even by mega standards lol

[proud igloo]

The nightmares would be unreal

And again, I find Megas getting nerfed to be a joke

Given Mega Rayquaza exists

Another nightmare is Mega Charizard Y

[proper iris]

Mega rayquaza and the primals are understandable

[proud igloo]

Didn’t used to have Drought

It’s original ability was GALE WINGS

[proper iris]

Legendaries having super broken megas is OK

But the rest

Was a bit too much

[naive timber]

the best legendary is

a bidoof

fr

[proud igloo]

You know the one ability that made Talonflame broken in competitive meta?

[proper iris]

This is snom erasure /j

[proud igloo]

Venusaur had +2 Attack, -10 Defence -2 Special Attack and +10 Special Defence

Alakazam used to have Magician instead of Magic Guard

Gyarados didn’t have Mold Breaker, instead it had Strong Jaw. It also had +10 Attack and -10 Special Defence

Ampharos had +20 Speed, - 10 Defence and Special Attack

[proper iris]

Fffffffffffffff Pecha the Pachirisu is down

[proud igloo]

Scizor had + 20 Speed and - 10 Defence and Special Defence.

[proper iris]

Goddamn bibarel with rollout

[proud igloo]

Houndoom had + 20 Special Attack and - 20 Speed

Blaziken didn’t have Speed Boost, it had Moxie

Actually that would have been worse imo

And both Mega Lati had + 20 speed

But as a consequence Mega Latias lost 10 Defence and Special Defence, while Mega Latios lost 20 Attack

[naive timber]

is it still possible to mod a 3ds even tho eshop and online services are gone

[proper iris]

Yes

You don't use eshop

Or official Nintendo stuff

[proud igloo]

Finally Lucario had + 5 Attack and Special Attack, -8 Defence and -2 Speed

In addition some Gen 6 Pokémon had different base stats then in the Final Cut

[proper iris]

https://3ds.hacks.guide/

Here.

All you'll need to know

[proud igloo]

For starters 50% Zygarde didn’t have the pansy stats that made it wors then Xerneas and Yvetail

It had the same BST as them

Delphox and Greninja were meant to be mono typed.

Furfrou had - 20 speed

Tyrantum had + 20 Attack and - 10 Defence and Special Defence

Aegislash had + 20 HP

Honedge and Doublade had Stance Change like their final evolution

Barbaracle had - 13 Attack and + 13 Special Attack

Talonflame had + 22 Attack so it was meant to be even more broken

Clawitzer had - 29 Special Attack

[naive timber]

alr ty

[proud igloo]

And finally Sylveon had Synchronise instead of Cute Charm

[proper iris]

Not to be That Guy, but Dino, could you please send all that as one message instead of a hundred next time?

[proud igloo]

Some were obviously nerfed due to balance issues but the others confuse me

Some people don’t like a wall o text though

[proper iris]

It ends up as a wall of text anyway.

Only one wall of text has sounds going off every second and the other wall of text has sounds going off once

[naive timber]

bhruh

the other 3 could be good prices (not 2nd)

[proper iris]

Oooo

That aliexpress one could be a good lead

Looking for refurbished ones may be cheaper

As long as you're careful and don't do this

Refurbished ones should be just as good as any other 3ds, if not better bc fresh parts that aren't as worn

Also unless your hands are tiny, go for a 3DS XL

The classic one is very small

Ds lite for comparison

Maybe it's just me, but the smaller ones tend to give me hand cramps.

And wrist pain

Or maybe I'm just playing for too long

[proper iris]

FINALLY

FINALLY BEAT FANTINA

This was way harder than it has any right to be

Peach, Boris and Rouge were the heroes here.
Wanda tried her best.

Also i wonder if Fantina was retroactively made Kalosian...

[unkempt egret]

aaaa i missed like half of x10 stardust hour aaaa

[proper iris]

Rip

[unkempt egret]

also not sure? I think Masters or BD/SP would probably be where it would be confirmed or denied

[proper iris]

Just checked bulbapedia, seems no info.

Also in the JP version she speaks English and not French

[unkempt egret]

yea apparently she's supposed to be english in JP (and french) so might be closer to unovian than kalosian

[proper iris]

Yeah

So who knows at this point

[proper iris]

... Canada

Just realized that's how she can do both

Now we just need a Canada region

[unkempt egret]

also wow masters really did not do much with her ROFL

then again Sinnoh seems to be pretty ignored by mas outside of cynthia and dawn

compared to kanto and unova which both get stuff without even trying rofl

[proper iris]

Kanto is the favorite, and Unova has the most fleshed out characters so

Makes sense

[radiant leaf]

I always get confused with the sinnoh gyms. Cus plat changed them so I get really confused when ppl say Fantina is the third gym when in my mind it’s Maylyene or however her name is spelled

[proper iris]

Bro I'm just as confused bc they didn't change the badge box

So I was "ok fighting gy– wait what"

and then I also forgot Fantina was ghost type and not psychic

[unkempt egret]

isn't it also a case where you can fight maylene and wake in either order if you want

I think plat changed that tho

[radiant leaf]

Like ik DP suck in terms of dex and stuff but why did they have to change the leader order, pretty sure it’s the only mainline game to do so (black and white 2 don’t count, they’re technically separate games from bw, platinum is the enhanced version)

[proper iris]

I FORGOT THERE WAS A BARRY FIGHT

[unkempt egret]

oh right that one

ok I think im almost done with stardust hour 30 minutes

[proper iris]

Praying my team survives

[unkempt egret]

got about 40k dust, not bad

[proper iris]

Not bad at all!

[unkempt egret]

makes up for the stardust I spent on leveling up a rillaboom earlier

[proper iris]

Not only did the team survive, since it was a major story battle, it means now I can take the last few mons out of the healing box

First time in this run I got every single one of my pokemon usable

[proper iris]

... i spoke too soon. My wall fell to a goddamn bonsly

[graceful osprey]

Y

Qhybwont you go in

I don't see something shoved in there

[nimble quarry]

halloween themed team

[icy idol]

OK, I need to find a new starter Pokémon to be my new favorite now that typhlosion lore leak has happened

[nimble quarry]

in which game

[icy idol]

Idk

Just need to find one in general

[nimble quarry]

feraligatr or torterra are cool but pick what you wanna pick

[icy idol]

Maybe the rowlet line?

[proper iris]

Just keep typh

[icy idol]

They seem cool

[nimble quarry]

i need to nickname my typhlosion in legends arceus to t.diddy

[proper iris]

Typh is still good

The leaks are not canon

[nimble quarry]

they pretty cool

[icy idol]

But it will still be in my mind whenever I think about it

[proper iris]

But yeah rowlet love is lovely

[icy idol]

Yes, it is round

[nimble quarry]

yeah t.diddy will not escape my mind

[proper iris]

All that's in my head with typh is a cute animation I saw today

Where the whole line was roasting yams on each other's back flames

[nimble quarry]

awww

[proper iris]

Gotta find it again

It's a good palate cleanser

Found it, it's part of this little compilation of short little animations. https://youtu.be/uocCGyIoOyI?feature=shared

This artist makes adorable stuff

[proven geyser]

"cats are liquid"
vaporeon when they feel threatened: 🌊

[proper iris]

Vaporeon took "if I fits..." to the extreme

[proven geyser]

before pokeballs they probably carried vaporeon around in uncapped flasks

[proper iris]

I love that concept

Get a waterskin tied to your belt

Turn it

Fren

[stray heart]

So which region would be the worst to wake up in irl?

[proper iris]

For me, probably Sinnoh.

Not bc it's bad or anything, it's just too damn cold

I'm not built for that weather

[unkempt egret]

all I can think of with this statement is the chansey/blissey fusion they have in IF

also to answer that question

[proper iris]

Hot spring egg

[unkempt egret]

Alola because there's a 1/4 chance you woke up on Poni island

[proper iris]

I wanna make a "come to Brazil" joke bc like. Poni island is just basically northeastern Brazil.

Minus the volcano.

[brisk hedge]

Probably Galar. There are giant Pokémon all over the place

[proper iris]

Depending on your sense of fashion, kalos may be awful

[stray heart]

Not to mention it’s France

[proper iris]

NOT TO MENTION IT'S FRANCE

YES

[pallid mauve]

i think i just ended up making my character look as edgy as possible

[proper iris]

Mine looked kinda summery last I checked. I kinda want their hat irl.

[cloud quartz]

interesting

[proven geyser]

ok so

i miscounted evs

super training can only go to 252 in a single stat, and it just maxxed out, so braixen has 252 in speed

[coarse estuary]

bout to go woop charren in battle so i can finally go backtracking with hms in my white playthrough for my fall/winter fave games replay

[proven geyser]

so, because i've been miscounting, my ivs can only be rough estimates

i can infer my speed is not zero, but it can't possibly be above 10

the maxxed speed in super training should relieve that, though

thankfully, it can also be assumed the defense and spatk are between 25-30!

atk is 17 or under, so foul play shouldn't hit as hard

special def is 6-17, so while i'm looking for a flabebe i should keep exp share on lmao

if i avoid braixen getting evs from anything that provides attack, he should be aight

[icy idol]

I have seen Corvknight in cobblemon and I can confirm

[proven geyser]

sycamore: i'm not very tough, just so you know
my braixen, desiring the blood of my enemies: pathetic

greaaaaat im gonna need to sr for a decent bulbasaur

poor fenn rolling tf around while i zoom on my skates

fuck i forgot to empty a party space

[sturdy sparrow]

whats that?

[cloud quartz]

pokemon x prototype

[sturdy sparrow]

ok

[proven geyser]

whatever, sure, i'll take it

yknow,,, it's not normally a mixed attacker, but

ahhh i didn't see sludge bomb or energy ball

[warm rose]

Once again... so close yet so far

[lyric radish]

?! im playing pokerogue i opened 4 epic eggs 2 of them had both the lati and both with their rare move

[tropic hinge]

I read that as Pokemon crossed with Prototype and got very concerned.

[untold hill]

Name pls

[agile iris]

SWEEPER

[wraith musk]

I just read the 4 pokeman stories

and damn

must've been one insane group discussion

[broken crater]

hello

I was wondering

which moveset should I give wooper

In sv

or should I ask this in the showdown chat?

[coarse estuary]

if you are planning to use wooper in showdown yes if not here is fine

[broken crater]

I am just planning to use him in scarlet violet

[wraith musk]

earthquake

poisen jab

counter

stone edge

[brisk hedge]

Which Wooper?

[broken crater]

regular

[brisk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wooper-pokemon-gif-25059358

This one?

[broken crater]

yes

Well mines pink but that doesnt change it

should I run spikes stealth rock equake waterfall?

[brisk hedge]

go for it

[broken crater]

aight

ill let you know how it went

[proven geyser]

woopy babi

tempted to restart x again bc i looked at the male options and my vibes match them more

no skin off my back, maybe the trainer id will be luckier

oh the girl is holding a pikachu ds but the guy doesn't

aight the cutscene threshold is the lamp

i no longer need the gender affirmation so my nickname is just dude

i forgot to fix the text speed no wonder shits so aFucking SLOW

so glad the fennekin wasnt great

teirno and trevor both give you gendered nicknames, but shauna always gives the lil' (initial)

the boys' nicknames are fucking rancid btw

i like to think in the "old universe" save i just deleted, i was never given a chance to speak while they were introducing me and belting out the worst nicknames known to man

so when this high femme person started talking he was just a really feminine dude

[shell oak]

Let’s goooooo shiny meloetta distribution

[proven geyser]

POG melo is such a great pokemon

i don't mean like competitively I wouldn't know, its just a very solid concept

[brisk hedge]

where do you get that?

[proven geyser]

the dist is probably on serebii if they're still updating that

[shell oak]

Complete the 3 SV pokedexes in home to claim it

They have to have the sv origin mark

[proven geyser]

jesus christ

[brisk hedge]

Whelp, I don't have the DLC

[shell oak]

Paldea, kitikami, and blueberry here

[proven geyser]

i wonder if i get anything for hisui dex

[shell oak]

The announcement does say the first of multiple dex rewards

[proven geyser]

i havent paid for extra boxes or anything but i can easily move a box, exit, swap it back

or does it register on placement in the home box?

[shell oak]

Registers upon saving changes with the Pokémon in a home box

[proven geyser]

fuck, ok so it's gonna take a hot minute

[shell oak]

Alternate forms aren’t required, just species

[proven geyser]

im sure thats just referring to sneasel bc that's the only og form that can be obtained naturally in legends

i just have legends

[shell oak]

I meant more like dudunsparce and tauros

[broken crater]

I have a galarin zigzagoon in pokemon home

shiny

but no swsh

So I cannot even use it

[proven geyser]

i dont even have any of the newer mainline games

[broken crater]

same goes for melmetal

[shell oak]

The Pokémon have to be caught in sv to count

[proven geyser]

for the hisuian pokedex?

im not talking about melo

[shell oak]

Ah no, for sv dex

[proven geyser]

i was thinking ahead to whatever they give arceus players

it has to be something that can be natively obtained, like the mythicals that you need the other games for
or a shiny a-tales

you get a Vulpix and it's shinylocked

wait fuck id hope they wouldn't count the mythicals i have to spend an extra 120 bucks to get bc of the games

[broken crater]

nah youre getting lvl -5 rattata

not even shiny

[proven geyser]

that i cant use bc its not in arc

[broken crater]

I am not bothered for melloetta tho

it was hell getting my dex