other-pokemon-games

[deft garnet]

i just left the server they were in lol

[turbid horizon]

Unrelated but I've literally caught two shiny Alolan Meowths farming nuggets in Radical Red B')

I don't know what the rates are, surely boosted because I'm only into the hundreds with the dexnav

But damn

GOD FUCKING

Make that three...

[pine ingot]

Game freak is just unbelievably lazy

[deft garnet]

I've been over this

GF isn't lazy

they have no resources

[pine ingot]

Pokémon company does push them as well of course

[deft garnet]

no talent, no time, no hands, no budget

[pine ingot]

What do you mean exactly? No time?

[deft garnet]

nintendo keeps them on such a leash as to maximize profit margins

[pine ingot]

No hands is true

I think they are like 150 people total there?

[fierce breach]

heres mine

[rain quarry]

Pretty cool dudes. Love Zarude and Yanmega

[deft garnet]

Grookey gang Grookey gang Grookey gang

[hearty yoke]

heres mine

[rain quarry]

Very nice. Crobat and Kabutops gang

[hearty yoke]

yeeeeeeeeeeah buddy

[haughty imp]

Is the randomness degree mechanic in other pokemon games?

[rain quarry]

I'm not so sure. Pokemon randomizers are usually done with third party programs anyway, so I guess it depends on what randomizer you use

[proper ravine]

Universal Pokémon Randomizer : yes

[leaden kestrel]

swamp, metagross and gengar, what a chad

[jovial charm]

hi at all

i need a ditto pokemon by another nation i am italian

[cunning parrot]

Okay

[deft garnet]

I knew I'd see greninja there

[turbid horizon]

Sandaconda based

I was tempted to put it on but honestly a lot of the reason I like it is Radical Red which felt disingenuous

I love that they added new megas for some of the Gmax designs, and Sandaconda getting ground/flying with aerilate was an awesome one

Titty cloud for normal is a surprise though, I didn't know it was anyone's favourite

[deft garnet]

I know 1 other guy who has it as his

[turbid horizon]

Bug and ice are also based, Avalugg is especially underrated

[rigid stone]

where do you get that

[hearty yoke]

https://www.cpokemon.com/seccion/herramientas/tipos/en/
You use this website

[rigid stone]

thx

god damn it

why is it doing that

here is mine

[deft garnet]

There's a mistake on the poison one you're supposed to put a pokemon in there

[rigid stone]

wait what

i get the joke but bruh

[fierce breach]

Today I learnt that skitty needs a moon stone to evolve

And also remembered that skitty and delcatty actually exist

[rigid stone]

oof

[fierce breach]

Skitty line is weird to me

I can remember them pretty well but

I forget that they actually exist ingame

and the fact that you can use one in a game

[deft garnet]

You'd never really want to

[fierce breach]

I would because they cute but like

Where do you even get them

like

doesn’t the skitty line barely exist in any of the regional pokedexs

And either when they are they are hard to get I think

[deft garnet]

It's in the route east of rustboro in rse

[rigid stone]

uh

it stops at the evo thing with extracting the files

[deft garnet]

Is it asking you to replace anything in another window

[rigid stone]

no

whats your guy's favorite shiny pokemon?

[rain quarry]

I think I like Shiny Pallossand's the most

[hearty yoke]

skitty is one of my favorite pokemon tbh

[rain quarry]

It's cute, I think it's also cooler looking than it's evo

[rigid stone]

my favorite shiny is shiny g max venusaur

[rain quarry]

That one's nice

[rigid stone]

fr

[deft garnet]

Never really paid attention to shinies

99% of them are just kind of unnotable

[rain quarry]

That's fair. I've only encountered 2 (not counting shiny gyarados)

Shiny Golbat in Soul Silver victory road, and a shiny smeargle in Moon, which I happened to find within the first 30 minutes of playing

[pine ingot]

I've only found 1 legitl shiny ( not counting the pokemon home zeraora and rando trades )

it was a boring Shiny Stoutland from a Max Lair Battle in Pokemon Sword DLC

[rigid stone]

my 1st shiny was shiny alolan raticate in moon

[pine ingot]

my first pokemon game was moon

[rain quarry]

Nice. Not a bad one to start off with

[fierce breach]

Hmmmm

I WONDER WHAT MINE IS

[pine ingot]

Ursaring?

XDDD

[fierce breach]

All green shinies are cool

Except kingler

Kingler smells

[pine ingot]

I like it when Shinies are Blue and the original is red

My favourite pokemon is a tie between Rowlet and Magnemite

Magnetmite obviously has the shiny disadvantage

but I like Rowlet cause I call all my Rowlets Bowey

Bowey is the perfect name for a rowlet

Rowlets entire line has Bowties and Decidueye has a Bow and Arrow (:

[fierce breach]

Smart

[cunning parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/rayquaza-shiny-rayquaza-pokemon-anime-flying-gif-17731054

[rain quarry]

The classic

[cunning parrot]

Unsurprising that my favorite shiny is also my favorite legendary and also has my favorite mega and also is my favorite Pokémon overall

[rain quarry]

I guess you can also take solace in your favourite being one of the strongest pokemon ever

[cunning parrot]

😎

[proper ravine]

lemme guess, ||espeon||?

[fierce breach]

Yes

[proper ravine]

[pine ingot]

Shiny slowbro

And my favourite pokemon overall

[jovial cosmos]

@deft garnet There is a very tangible difference. Largely because they're entirely different vowels. [i] is the vowel from Meme-i-kyu, it's tense and therefore can't be shortened to the lax [ɪ] from Mimikyu. The former being tense means there's two tense vowels, which is unprecedented in English and therefore comes across as a clunky phrase. 😅

[deft garnet]

I know how the language works I'm just saying you're wrong

[jovial cosmos]

I'm not though. You cannot shorten a tense vowel to a lax vowel because it's tensed. 😂

[deft garnet]

It's especially useless to have these hangups about English, of all languages

[jovial cosmos]

That's entirely untrue. 😅

[deft garnet]

And it's especially useless to be lectured on language by someone who respects it so little that they think it can't stand on its own without fitting emojis into it

[jovial cosmos]

A kid reading this without exposure to the anime will call the Pokémon Mimikyu will call it [mɪmɪkju] because the [kju] part draws phonological stress. [miːmɪkju] is the other pronunciation. People would be unlikely to put phonological stress on the word-initial vowel. It works with something like Pikachu because that's explicitly a Japanese loanword. Mimikyu's name comes from mimic, so adapting that word into Japanese for Japanese makes sense , hence the latter pronunciation. Logical. Bringing that pronunciation back into English is where things become a little bit weirder because the word mimic is still there. If the name was something else like Akachu (using akachan, the Japanese word for mimic), this wouldn't be a problem at all. 🙂

[deft garnet]

I'm not going to finish reading because nobody, not I nor any children, will care at all if the way they are pronouncing a pokemon's game is wrong according to some made up rules

this is an invented problem

[rain quarry]

Have you guys ever noticed how Chimchar's head looks like a pokehuman's sorta? I don't think any of the other monke mons are like this either, even Monferno and Infernape lol. It's funny

[turbid horizon]

Chimchar is the closest link to humanity in the Pokémon universe

[rain quarry]

It's probably one of the ape dudes atleast

There is that one book in the Sinnoh library place that talks about marriage. I know that people think it's humans as they are now marrying pokemon but i think it's more-so saying that we used to be some sort of pokemon and evolved in the darwinian sense

[deft garnet]

it's true chimchar is the only chimp pokemon

[turbid horizon]

Yeah well I'm pretty sure it's canon that humans and Pokémon used to be one, and considering Pokémon apparently came from Mew, the first pokemon created (and assumedly the first life on earth), it can be assumed that means humans were pokemon

Especially as they can use Pokémon moves with enough effort

Would be cool to see the "missing link" Pokémon

[deft garnet]

humans can use pokemon moves but only if they give up one of their human moves like 'pay taxes'

[rain quarry]

There is like, a weird thing that Sw/Sh implied in its DLC with humans

In that, despite Calyrex being human-level intelligent and capable of ruling a kingdom, human things like rope are completely lost on him

So idk, maybe humans traded that sorta thing for Ingenuity in this world or something, who knows, I sure don't

There's also psychic humans and pretty much every human can take a huge amount of punishment so there's also that too

[deft garnet]

going by anime meowth logic, just being able to talk takes up so much RAM in a pokemon's move memory

[rain quarry]

Yeah exactly, it's probably some sort of weird trade-off thing

Pokemon also can't figure out potions

[deft garnet]

imagine if riley has all these cool lucario aura powers but he just like, can't figure out how to tie shoelaces or something

[rain quarry]

Lol, I mean he certainley dresses like a child

[deft garnet]

he does wear loafers

[rain quarry]

Actually that reminds me, there was recently a thing in the anime saying that Lance trained in Galar's dragon school as a child and his outfit references their uniforms

So Lance Canonically dresses like a child

[deft garnet]

to be fair so does jotaro, technically

[turbid horizon]

What they haven't been telling you is that canonically furries in the Pokémon universe are the strongest humans

That's actually why pokemaniac trainers aren't super common in comparison to hikers and stuff

Whenever a war comes up, all the pokemaniacs go off to fight

Because they can just make fireballs and shit

[rain quarry]

Honestly the fact that in the pokemon world, a human can pick you up and crumple you like a soda can, or banish you to a mental nightmare realm, seems horrifying

[deft garnet]

does that mean lt surge is a furry?

and so is every MC's dad?

[cunning parrot]

But Jotaro was actually 17 when he wore his altered school uniform

[deft garnet]

And then he kept wearing something like it when he was 40

[placid iris]

yeah I think it was mentioned in the same library which talks about marriage

[turbid horizon]

This actually makes me think of an interesting topic...

In your opinion, what Pokémon trainer(s) or human in the Pokémon universe do you think could use a Pokémon move if they wanted to/would be close to being able to do so

Let me start us off with an obvious one,

Ash.

Love him or hate him he's met like

All Gods?

And has died multiple times

And also with the whole "moves push knowledge out of brain" idea...

Ash's head is empty enough to learn a Pokémon move I guarantee

Some other maybe less obvious ones would be Brycen and Drayden from Black and White

Brycen actually seems to have some sort of superhuman sense, as he was able to sense the presence of the Shadow Triad when no other person or Pokémon had managed to do so

And Drayden, well

He's just built different.

[deft garnet]

Ash should learn Healing Wish

[turbid horizon]

This man reportedly does I think 1000 or 10,000 pushups, sit-ups and squats a day?

Like literally far surpassing Saitamas training regiment????

And on top of that fucking wrestles dragon Pokémon

Like a Pokémon Steve Irwin

That being said

Drayden is very intelligent, with a lot of knowledge

My personal headcanon is that he's actually immortal similar to AZ (hence him being a very young looking old man, outside of the pure white hair)

But I still believe despite his large amount of knowledge he would be able to learn a Pokémon move based solely on the fact that he is Just That Guy

[deft garnet]

Drayden has to cover his mouth or else he'd just be spewing dragon rage everywhere

[turbid horizon]

That's why he grew his beard like that

It's a muzzle

Another obvious one would be the dude from the fuckin uhhhhh

Lucario movie

With the aura powers

[deft garnet]

Aaron?

[turbid horizon]

I think technically the canon states he never used a move because the kid from the zarude movie is stated to be the first human to use a Pokémon move??

But

I'm calling bullshit

He can do aura shit but not throw a ball made out of it?

Fuck outta here

I would say also N?

Maybe I'm being gen 5 biased here but some of these guys are just like

Either kinda crazy or literally raised by Pokémon

If N can speak the lingo I'm sure he could do a move

[proper ravine]

Welp, it's like scientist classify human into Animalia kingdom, yet we reject human is an animal

[steady edge]

I feel you guys forgot to mention one important part in the differences between human and pokemon thing
Which is the lake trio, said to be what makes human minds different somehow

[deft garnet]

I recently watched a retrospective of Digimon Tamers and the guy brought up how different digimon minds were from humans, how they were almost hard-wired to attack other digimon on sight

pokemon might work like that too, would explain why everyone battles them and nobody seems to mind

[turbid horizon]

Pokémon Are Horny For Battles isn't quite the conclusion I expected to reach but nonetheless here we are

[deft garnet]

imagine, an entire kingdom of life made up of goku

[turbid horizon]

Dear God... A whole animal kingdom that can be solo'd by Ben 10...

[rigid stone]

favorite of each type but there shiny forms

[cunning parrot]

Those don’t look shiny

[steady edge]

He means ranking them based on the shinies

[fierce breach]

my version

[deft garnet]

terasteralize moment

[rigid stone]

yes the fire type espeon

[proper ravine]

Lmao

[deft garnet]

We are turning milotic into bread

[proper ravine]

iron ingot

[rain quarry]

The rock one is Onix

[proper ravine]

With Andesite, Diorite, Granite, and Amethyst

Double type as well

[raw raft]

Why is dragon just a banana in both?

[proper ravine]

uh Dragon/Elec gardevoir is lemon 🤣. because Applin logic

[raw raft]

That doesn't make sense

To be honest for the milotic you could have done so much more

[rain quarry]

Applin is a dragon because it's a pun. It's a "Wyrm in the apple"

[raw raft]

Also it's half grass type

[rain quarry]

Ye exactly

Its typing and everything makes sense, it's not just a random thing

[proper ravine]

maybe this 🗿

[rain quarry]

That seems like quite the reach

But alright, banana dragon gardevoir it is, I guess

[turbid horizon]

I hate this image

I hate how wet and fallic it is

[turbid horizon]

Radical Red is a good game but that part where you beat Brendan and he gives you a destiny knot and states "it's for breeding, but I'm sure you already knew that." Is kinda sus

What are your plans Brendan?

[rain quarry]

These hoenn dudes need to calm down

[turbid horizon]

Unrelated but how would people feel if illusion was changed to act more like Mimikyu's disguise

Not exactly, but say like

Damage to the illusion is halved or something

Would it be op or would it be a balanced change to make Zoroark better?

Keeping Hisuian Zoroark in mind ofc

[rain quarry]

Eh, I'd say it's fine as-is

Zoroark being like, a glass canon is fine enough, and the illusion should merely be just that; an illusion

[turbid horizon]

Personally I think it's weak, at least in comparison to other Pokémon with similar strategies.

I think it should either get a tweak to illusion (another idea would be the illusion boosting evasion, but regardless of whether the move hits or misses, the illusion fades after the attack)

Or it should get a stat boost to specifically speed

[rain quarry]

Those are both better options yeah

I think the speed thing would be nice

[turbid horizon]

I thought of the evasion boost before the semi-multiscale thing actually, and I like it, but I also really hate evasion boosting stuff in general and am afraid to encourage it

[deft garnet]

Maybe he starts with a hidden substitute, the illusion goes away after he takes 1/4 of his HP and when he loses it he loses the whole chunk

[turbid horizon]

I think the most notable thing is that like common Zoroark setups involve life orb or nasty plot, which both make it actually super strong. Despite my first idea, I would be hesitant to make it like hard or impossible to one shot

And I guess Hisuian Zoroark with like... Will O Wisp and bitter malice can kinda artificially increase its defense??

[rain quarry]

That's why I just vote speed buff. Funnel some of its attack stat into there

[deft garnet]

Maybe it takes full damage if you manage to hit him with a super effective attack

Which rewards the opponent for "seeing through" it

[turbid horizon]

That could work too, makes spotting it a bit more pressing

[jovial cosmos]

I see someone has played Minecraft. 😉

[proper ravine]

don't you read my nickname? 🤣 or can you?

[rain quarry]

Little fun bit of trivia about Standard Galactic Alphabet, it's actually from a series of DOS games called Commander Keen

It's used in Minecraft as the enchantment table language which is where most people recognize it

[turbid horizon]

Important note that the enchantment table language however still means nothing

It's just gibberish when translated

[rain quarry]

Which is lame

[proper ravine]

that not language, that's just alternate letter

[proper ravine]

sepaking of commaner keen (probably) you said above and enchanting table, yes. It's gibberish "niktu fire the xyzzy berata" and boom! Slik Touch

[turbid horizon]

I wish we had more legendary titan fights

Lugia is built almost like a pteradon with the way it has wings with hands on

You could have that mfer flying around a city clinging to skyscrapers

[rigid stone]

could someone send me the link to the gen 9 pokemon site

[rigid stone]

im sad

[fierce breach]

You should ask in #pokemon-winds-waves

[pine ingot]

Google?

[pine ingot]

RAWR MEGA EVO HURT

Kalos trainers:

Beyond Evolution MEGA EVOLVE

[rain quarry]

Honestly I wonder if they added the Mega Evos = bad thing because they wanted to justify removing them

[turbid horizon]

Well people keep repeating that there was like one guy in charge who hated them

And probably did that shit so that they seemed bad

[pine ingot]

Not really?

In the anime, the lucario of that girl turned on her

yet the lucario is still her partner in Journeys

[deft garnet]

You could chalk it up to cultural differences, kalosian trainers downplaying the risks because it's tradition

[rain quarry]

But then it was ok when their bond strengthened

[deft garnet]

But alolan trainers being so conscious about animal rights villify it

[pine ingot]

I think this was one of the only cases of a pokemon actually trying to hurt a human like an animal, so with it's jaws

[deft garnet]

Meanwhile in hoenn they like "bro this guy's JAW snapped in half lmao"

[pine ingot]

Welp either way the fact all megas become kinda dangerous means dangerous flygon could be possible

[deft garnet]

Maybe, but that design is bad

[pine ingot]

Let's agree to disagree

[deft garnet]

If you don't like what flygon looks like then a completely different base model would look appealing

But to me it looks very generic

[pine ingot]

Yeah to be honest flygon looks like one of the worst dragons out there

[deft garnet]

That's really sad

[rain quarry]

Megas aren't always "more dangerous" it's more-so power incontinence. Like Mega Slowbro is just "The shell is bigger and it's eating more of my body"

[deft garnet]

That you think that

[pine ingot]

this would be better

[deft garnet]

That just looks doofy

[rain quarry]

I like the wings

What's up with the DBZ Cell tail though

[deft garnet]

I think I can see what they're going for by giving it the trapinch mouth

But I can see why Ken was having trouble thinking of what to do with this guy

[turbid horizon]

Insurgence mega Flygon isn't awful

It's not the best but like

Especially in sprite form it's alright

Prefer armour to spikes

[deft garnet]

This is stingmon

[fierce breach]

the thing i dont like about insurgence flygon is that it got two new signature moves

[pine ingot]

Mega slowbro is also constantly in pain just fyi

[deft garnet]

Or the fusion stimgmon

[rain quarry]

That has nothing to do with it being more dangerous or having a threatening design though, keep in mind

[turbid horizon]

I think it should have had four arms to add more insect flavouring back, and it wouldn't look much different to its big chunky fat ass hands

[pine ingot]

This one is awesome

[turbid horizon]

Actually maybe that is four arms...?

It's not clear enough but in other versions of the sprite it looks like it

[pine ingot]

Perhaps, though all dragons get more dangerous

[rain quarry]

Mega Flygon could expand the visor to fit the whole face maybe

That'd be cool

[pine ingot]

The only pokemon that don't become dangerous are the ones that are cute/safe to start with

[deft garnet]

Yeah, I do like this guy, it makes him look epic cool but in a unique way, and keeps his facial expression more or less intact

[rain quarry]

But Flygon is cute

He's a friend

[fierce breach]

i always liked the idea of mega flygon becoming bug/dragon type while also getting the sand stream ability, but have the ability work so that sand cant hurt the pokemon with the ability

like what they did with snow warning in insurgence on delta trevenant

or sand rush in actual pokemon

[rain quarry]

Why don't they give it Sand Rush for the mega then. Would've already activated a sandstorm when you sent it out so why not

[pine ingot]

Too strong

[rain quarry]

Perhaps, but it'd be funny

[deft garnet]

But he wouldn't have sand stream, right?

[pine ingot]

it would be the fastest pokemon in the game after electrode

[rain quarry]

Oh, does he not have it already, I forget

[deft garnet]

Flygon's ability is levitate

[turbid horizon]

Flygon with sand stream, mega Flygon with sand force

[pine ingot]

And with a choice band and a mega it would hit like a truck

[rain quarry]

It wouldn't have a choice band if it was a mega

[turbid horizon]

Yeah y'know like how it's mega could hold an item

[pine ingot]

By the way, flygon never summoned sand storm?

[turbid horizon]

Flygon is Rayquaza

[pine ingot]

He has levitate

[rain quarry]

You are too late my friend

[pine ingot]

Oh yeah i forgot, haven't used megas in ages

[deft garnet]

Dragon ascent flygon, make him so powerful they have to make a tier even above mega ray

[rain quarry]

AG+

[deft garnet]

I'm thinkin about it from the 2nd one we posted, what if mega flygon sort of reverted and gained trapinch characteristics, and it got Arena trap back as an ability

[rain quarry]

That could be fun

Does he stick himself in the ground again or is he still flying

[turbid horizon]

I always like to take the Ultimate Alien angle with mega ideas

Like What Would This Evolve Into If It Was On The Brink Of Extinction In War For A Million Years

Like what weird attributes may pop up alongside obvious evolution in order to survive

So in conclusion

Flygon gets rocket launchers on its wrist

[rain quarry]

Something interesting with 2 Megas in particular is Aerodactyl and Ampharos

Because both have the same idea of "awakening dormant genes" and it's like, is that how all megas work or what

[deft garnet]

somethin along the lines of this, I'm thinking

[rain quarry]

Honestly, looks sorta like a gmax

[deft garnet]

yeah, really sandaconda

[rain quarry]

Ye

[deft garnet]

I mostly drew the dirt so I wouldn't have to design the body

but just imagine a sort of cooler looking flygon there

[rain quarry]

If Flygon got a gmax I could totally imagine it looking like that

[rain quarry]

Thunder Thighs

[deft garnet]

[rain quarry]

I like him, I think he's cool

[turbid horizon]

My only note would be that the tail ends up seeming a little pointless in the design??

Like I would almost wonder if it could be made into a lure

But luring isn't really part of Flygon or Trapinch

[deft garnet]

I could make it another little mouf

[turbid horizon]

Maybe...

Could some sort of shovel tail work???

Or could it have like a stance-change type ability?

[rain quarry]

Don't steal my man Aegislash's lunch money

[turbid horizon]

It feels like

Super cool concept, but there's a lot of cool lore stuff it could do that wouldn't be explored in its animation yk??

[deft garnet]

a shovel for head-smackin

[turbid horizon]

Shovel stays out of the ground and flips up Pokémon that stand on it for easy schnackin when it bursts out of the ground

[deft garnet]

that could be its entrance animation, or something

when it comes out of the sphere it has the tail sticking out and then it chomps up

[turbid horizon]

I'd love more detailed entrance animations like that

Not sure about it having arena trap though, do megas activate before or after the opponent switches out?

[deft garnet]

yeah that's the tricky bit, huh

it would make for an interesting footsies situation

[turbid horizon]

Strong jaw would be cool if Flygon had better bite moves for it to use

I think it learns fang moves but it doesn't get stab so :/

[deft garnet]

Do you wanna switch? Am I gonna trap ya? Or am I gonna use THIS move?

[turbid horizon]

It could have an ability which chomps and traps contact moves...

But I don't want more punishment for physical attackers

[deft garnet]

it's okay, HA Decidueye is on the case

[turbid horizon]

Tbh Decidueye was so not fun to use when I was playing sun and moon

It wasn't bulky but still lacked meaningful speed it was like being in Unova again

[deft garnet]

I learned something funny the other day

Hisuian Decidueye is actually even slower

with worse defensive typing

and it gets like 10 HP and 5 Defense as a tradeoff

it's slower than chesnaught

[turbid horizon]

Finally, a win for Hisuian Samurott

At least we get knockoff stab

What if that Mega Flygon idea introduced like

A terrain for dragon types

Or a new terrain-esque idea

[deft garnet]

dragon weather dragon weather

raihan is having a stroke

as long as dragon terrain is in effect, dragon-type moves become super-effective against every type that it resists

[turbid horizon]

It could also have an ability which acts like a permanent trap when it's set

I think Flygon maybe learns stealth rock? Not sure

[deft garnet]

could act like a pursuit sort of thing, too

[turbid horizon]

But if it does you'd get double stealth rock up, except Flygon could probably do Typeless damage

[turbid horizon]

Fuck you hydro pump you're the most worthless move fucking ever

It wouldn't be so bad if, when you're using hydro pump, you weren't using a slow Pokémon which cannot afford to miss

But you always are

[olive dagger]

Splash:

[shrewd furnace]

Imagine it got guarantee accuracy in rain like Thunder.

[deft garnet]

Hydro pump fucked me over in super mystery dungeon

Put the game in a nigh unwinnable state

[turbid horizon]

That would literally make it okay, because one of the main offenders using it would be pelipper

My only fear would be making rain too strong

Because in a double battle a rain team running 100% accurate thunder, hurricane and hydro pump would fuck people up badly

[turbid horizon]

Spam warning in 321

Favourite Mons sorted by generation (disregarding megas)

Except mega Gyarados

Because no other dark type applies to gen 1

[cunning parrot]

Alolan Meowth and Persian would count if you’re counting forms of old Pokémon

Also Ratatta, Raticate, Moltres, Grimer, and Muk

The regional forms

[deft garnet]

A-muk should count even if he doesn't

[cunning parrot]

Well they did put Zygarde in gen 7 using a new form he got in that gen, but also put mega Gyarados in gen 1 despite megas being from gen 6, so I guess he picks and chooses arbitrarily

[turbid horizon]

It was more that mega Gyarados was the only one I could see show up in the gen 1 range in the tier maker

It categorises regionals into the gen they were introduced, which I personally would also do

Gyarados is only there to fill the spot

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNvY6458/

[cunning parrot]

Well that explains mega Gyarados, but not Zygarde 100%

[turbid horizon]

100% is gen 7 🤷

I mean I guess it's a form but I'd just as soon count it as its own mon

As much as I'd count 10% as its own mon

[cunning parrot]

Mega Gyarados is its own Pokémon in that case

All I’m saying is Mudsdale is best gen 7 ground type

Though the only other options are its prevo or Palossand and its prevo

[turbid horizon]

Don't hate em, just love 100%'s design

[turbid horizon]

There's the megas

Don't care how op mega ray is

It looks fucking awesome

I think it's funny because part of my issue with fan megas is how Overdesigned they look

But that's not to say I don't like megas with extravagant designs

Mega Rayquaza looks like a ridiculous over the top anime upgrade and it's great

[cunning parrot]

I think it also works because nothing really seems out of place on the design

Like some fanmade megas will just do completely random stuff that doesn't fit with the Pokemon or the rest of the mega design

[pine ingot]

I just gotta say

Toilet Type

[cunning parrot]

A lot of SwSh Pokemon should be in there

[pine ingot]

Lots of Kanto

and like over 10 Pokemon in Sun and Moon lol

[fierce breach]

Idk I think the pokemon designs just get better and better every generation

So instead put a lot of gen 1 pokemon there

Of course there’s always going to be a few bad pokemon designs in every game

[rain quarry]

I think there's good and bad designs in every gen, I can't really think of a gen where I hate most of the designs overall

[rain quarry]

Pretty cool dudes

[hard plume]

same!

[rain quarry]

🤝

[rigid stone]

run

[turbid horizon]

That Dragonite distribution event better have perfect IVs or something istg

Mystery Gift event for Ash's Dragonite from the anime

Mfer has hurricane, dragon claw, Draco meteor, dragon dance

But fair enough, right? That's just it's moves in the anime

Level 80, not even level 100

But again, you could maybe argue that makes sense because it hasn't reached its peak in the anime yet

IT HAS FUCKING INNER FOCUS

Don't even have the decency to give it multiscale!

Fucking hate event mons

[turbid horizon]

Can anyone explain why so many people seem to dislike Mega Tyranitar?

other than it being a pseudo legend, that is

Because design wise it's personally one of my favourite megas

[deft garnet]

I forgot tyranitar even had a mega

I forget tyranitar exists a lot, honestly

for something with such high stats it feels a semi truck made of balsa wood

[turbid horizon]

See I think many people do, which is why I think it's an underrated pseudo. Whenever I say that people are like "but it's been consistently in ou!!" But like

Other pseudos feel as though they pretty easily set up and tear through stuff, and Tyranitar being that bit more vulnerable makes it feel weaker in comparison even if it isn't

[deft garnet]

in terms of the mega design, I guess it just feels really stiff, like this thing can't move its arms more than 20 degrees

the head spike looks dumb

[turbid horizon]

That and like, as someone who played Soul Silver a lot as a kid I couldn't tell you how to get Tyranitar

[deft garnet]

oh yeah larvi being mt silver exclusive or something

[turbid horizon]

I guess I kinda get that

But with it being a big Godzilla reference I really like it's mega

[deft garnet]

I'm not familiar enough with godzilla lore to know if he ever looked like that

crungus

[turbid horizon]

If I had to pick something I didn't like about it then it would be the tail

[cunning parrot]

What does that mean

[turbid horizon]

But actually I think for a design who's theme is "ridiculous spikes" its done it well because usually I hate that design method

[deft garnet]

have you ever tried driving a semi truck

[cunning parrot]

What is balsa wood

[deft garnet]

[cunning parrot]

Since you’re unhelpful, I looked it up and it appears to be a soft type of wood

[deft garnet]

It ain't my obligation to have to stoop to explain a reference because you don't know about wood

bulba says mega-tar's back splitting open could be a reference to an insect molting its shell or cocoon

it's not really conveyed very well if that's the case, since from the front it's just the spikes it already has but longer and wavy for some reason

If they were going that route I'd have it look like the outer green shell was almost gone, with the red underbelly showing

then increasing its speed more than 10 points to take advantage of its attack

Personally then I'd replace the rock type with ground, but that's just because I hate stone edge

[turbid horizon]

Honestly not sure how I feel about it keeping sand stream

[deft garnet]

I hate sand stream too

[turbid horizon]

I feel like changing it to sand force or sand rush would make it both stronger and weaker

[deft garnet]

it basically locks anyone from using tyranitar as anything but a last resort or a sand team starter

[turbid horizon]

Because if it switched to sand force/rush then you'd obviously get a major boost from the sand you just set up

But also an opposing weather mon could really screw you over

[cunning parrot]

Both the normal and mega form are in the same tier anyways, so it’s not like you have to mega evolve

[deft garnet]

what is that responding to

[cunning parrot]

Sand stream

[deft garnet]

what if mega tar committed enough to its insect heritage just so it could get compoundeyes

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I think Tyranitar should have been a mixed attacker

[deft garnet]

because zilla laser?

[turbid horizon]

Yeah because zilla laser

[deft garnet]

Hyper beam was like its signature attack huh

though hyper beam was physical in gen 2

[turbid horizon]

Yup

[deft garnet]

I thought for a second about mega tar getting like glowy spikes and becoming a special attacker, but that sounded clunky

[turbid horizon]

The only other notable mixed attacker pseudo I can think of is goodra and tbh goodra is like

Okay

Not the best, but it's typing is better defensively to afford to have mixed attacks

[deft garnet]

dragapult is mixed I think

120/100

[turbid horizon]

Honestly Hydreigon's attack stat is big but it has no good moves to prioritise it

Fun fact: Ghetsis' Hydreigon runs a physical attack set

Retaliate is the famous one but it's got rock slide too

And I think dragon rush??

Honestly I'd have liked to see it get given a better physical selection

[deft garnet]

looking up dragapult it only learns phys moves by level up

but it has shadow ball and dragon pulse by TR and only those attacks matter

also all these

and scald

[turbid horizon]

Actually that's super funny because Dragapult I'd say is more famously a special attacker but it's attack stat is straightup better

Unrelated but I think the Unova revisit should give us two new Rotom forms

Rotom-Train (because Ingo, Emmet, Obv) which is electric/dragon (this idea is stolen but I think it's cool)

And Rotom-Star for the pokestar studio revisit

Electric/steel, and you get it when a Rotom comes on set and possesses the F-00 robot

[deft garnet]

unrelated image of SuperStarmon from digimon

got damn dreepy evolves at level 50?

I was just thinking that drakloak seemed like an afterthought but now I'm more convinced

[turbid horizon]

The Pokémon anime has its flaws but I appreciate Goh because that guy's gay idc what people say

Ash makes him blush in like every second scene he's gay that's a gay thing

[proper ravine]

yes goh is geh.

[rigid stone]

i have that game

[rain quarry]

Nice work

[fierce breach]

i have screenshot of my team from insurgence

[jade birch]

I used 7 mons for the main game including mega typhlosion

Gallade-Delta was backup mega

[rapid flicker]

yo does anyone play like radical red

[jade birch]

I took a break from after playing the entire game

[proper ravine]

∆ambipom become an unique typings until official game introduce Hisuian Zoroa and zoroark 🤣

[turbid horizon]

Blastoise should get no guard as it's hidden ability

Make some real use out of that zap-cannon gift Squirtle

[fierce breach]

it learns zap cannon?

lol

thats as weird as umbreon and espeon learning it

[turbid horizon]

There was one specific gift Squirtle which learned it a long while ago

Which is why I think it would be hilarious if it had no guard

Imagine shell smash zap cannon no guard Blastoise

[deft garnet]

And of course hydro pump, right

[turbid horizon]

Exactly

That or it should get my other idea

For a signature ability that lets it's water type moves do super effective damage to steel types

Because that's like it's whole deal

Unrelated but apparently United just dropped a bunch of Pokémon that it's gonna be releasing and it's getting Mew, Dodrio and Scizor?

And like, don't get me wrong, as with most things I feel Unite tends to have too much of an early gen lean and this is no exception

But damn if they aren't good picks

Especially Dodrio, love to see that shit

[deft garnet]

Dodrio is pretty pog yeah

Wish it was all for a better game

[turbid horizon]

They have Tyranitar now, I really need to start playing regularly again

I haven't even tried the new gamemodes

[turbid horizon]

Tbh it's not like... The most top quality thing I guess

But for a free to play spinoff I think it holds itself pretty well

[deft garnet]

I just hate live service models

[turbid horizon]

The Pokémon are typically fun to play it's just that people lock attack or speed 90% of the time so you either get stuck with defense or guarantee a loss

[deft garnet]

Moba moment

[turbid horizon]

I think Mew seems like it's gonna be a support which is good to see because supports felt super underrated when I last played

To the point of like

The game doesn't recommend them??

As in when you're building a team I've seen it say you need an all-rounder, or a defender, etc for good synergy

I've even seen it say you need an attacker or speedster

But I've never seen it say that you need a support Pokémon for better synergy

But the way they're doing Mew it can apparently forget and learn moves on the fly?

Disregarding how the game itself plays I do think the developers do a super good job with the kits of each Pokémon

[deft garnet]

Makes me want a meteoidvania game where you play as mew

Learning a bunch of moves from bosses megaman style

[turbid horizon]

I just wish they didn't have a few discrepancies like Snorlax not starting as Munchlax when most others start unevolved

[turbid horizon]

I think it would be an interesting concept but Mew does aesthetically seem difficult to do for that style

[deft garnet]

His mommy wasn't holding a full incense, obviously

Aesthetically difficult?

[turbid horizon]

Yeah I mean like

Most Metroidvania games I can think of have a pretty standard humanoid character

Not a free-flying pink mouse with stubby arms

[deft garnet]

There's Ori and Slugcat

[turbid horizon]

Or fuckin uhh what's that kangaroo thing called

[deft garnet]

And mew wouldn't start free flying

[turbid horizon]

It's like a cross between a cat and that tiny kangaroo mouse thing

[turbid horizon]

Oh god that's even worse

I don't wanna see those oversized dogs slapping concrete

[deft garnet]

Give the animators a res and just let mew hover a few inches off the ground

[turbid horizon]

I think one of the biggest let-downs about dynamax not functioning more like megas is eternamax eternatus

What the fuck do you MEAN I can't use that

[rain quarry]

I wonder how the HP thing would work, afaik Eternatus is the only pokemon whose base hp changes with its form like that

[deft garnet]

More evidence to suggest eternatus is a fake ho

[rain quarry]

Lol. I guess they'd also have trouble fitting Eternamax in the various battle fields, since he's so much bigger than even Dynamaxed dudes

And you can't even toxic stall this man

Unless you got Corrosion

[deft garnet]

Salazzle becomes the heroine we need but not deserve

[rain quarry]

Eternamax one true counter

[proper ravine]

can it be cursed?

or does curse exists in gen 8? 🤔

[rain quarry]

I think killing your own pokemon to maybe kill your opponents is not a good strategy

[deft garnet]

especially since you lose curse on switching out

[rain quarry]

Exactly yeah

[proper ravine]

that's not answering my question

so i guess the answer is yes

[rain quarry]

Yes to both

[turbid horizon]

Sprigatito isn't just the most boring starter in SV

It's the most boring Pokémon we've seen so far.

And I say that as someone who likes it.

[deft garnet]

i like his littel face

I dunno I think there are more boring pokemon, like lumineon

garchomp, for instance

audino, in a workhorse kind of way

[turbid horizon]

Tbh I meant most boring from SV

But I'd still make it a solid contender for most boring ever

Which isn't to say it's bad

But even amongst cat Pokémon it feels quite mundane

[deft garnet]

i gotta wait to see what it turns into

[proper ravine]

pokémon beyond gen 6 are boring 🗿

[deft garnet]

litten was a regular cat that became a JERK and i LOVE him

[turbid horizon]

Literally Incineroar grew on me so much over the years

It's just so unabashedly an asshole

[turbid horizon]

Honestly maybe an unpopular opinion but in hindsight I don't really hate that in the original BW you could only get gen 5 Pokémon till post game?

Don't get me wrong, it should not be repeated, and I'm glad it didn't follow into the sequels

But this was before regional dexes started feeling quite small (or full of weirdly rare Pokémon like wtf so many of the rare ones nowadays ain't even good)

And yes I'm biased over the Unova dex but I do think it's one that stands on its own

In contrast to generations like gen 2 where a lot of the Dex was reliant on existing gen 1 Mons it's like

I don't mind seeing one that gives you a complete new roster for most of the game idk

[deft garnet]

It was a neat experiment but as a result the dex had a lot of filler

plus if you didn't like one particular archetype of a mon you were kind of SOL

I remember Elesa being a problem with her two emolgas because the only mon you could get up to Nimbasa that could deal effective damage to it was a Boldore

which died in 1 hit anyway because it wasn't ground type and it had trash SpDef

[hard plume]

kangaskhan

you're welcome

[turbid horizon]

Buzzwole and Xurkitree are the best Ultra Beasts

They're the ones with the best balance of great design and fun to use

I love Guzzlord's design but using it feels pathetic

[fierce breach]

i love stakataka

cool design and also fun to use

[rain quarry]

I like the pokemon go xurkitree teaser

[leaden kestrel]

that is sick

i thought you would shitpost that meme of a guy throwing a christmas tree

[rain quarry]

Lol, I don't even know that video

[leaden kestrel]

https://youtu.be/Zx7vy6IBIzs

[proper ravine]

lol, how brave they are. Opening windows with barehand while electric current is nearby

[rain quarry]

Xurkitree IRL

[leaden kestrel]

yes

[turbid horizon]

Xurkitree was definitely the best of these with Nihilego being second place

Tbh Buzzwole's teaser was too goofy, I don't think they made it big enough

[rain quarry]

Pheramosa's size was even weirder. Pokedex says it's 5'11 but in that video it was only slightly taller than the mailboxes it ran past

Or powerbox rather, but still those are also not that big, she looks like 4ft tall here lol

[turbid horizon]

Oh yeah that was the worst one imo. I can see how it would be harder to get right from an animation perspective because of the speed blur but like...

In comparison to the Xurkitree one it's meh

Xurkipeak is out here with that smooth ass animation, cool sound quality, the person in the video feels genuinely scared

And it seems to be a better size, its head alone feels large

Overall, though! These teasers were super cool

Even if you don't play Go (like me) it puts the UB's in a proper X-files/cryptid light which I like a lot

[rain quarry]

I also don't play go either ye, I just think they're pretty cool

[proper ravine]

i need converter...

[rain quarry]

I need a banana for scale

[proper ravine]

6- ft = 180 cm

4ft = 122cm

oh i thought it's more than 2 meters (200 cm)

[rain quarry]

A lot of pokemon are shorter than you'd assume

[proper ravine]

yep pokedex is made by kids 🗿
(except hisuian pokedex)

[rain quarry]

Nidoking's only 4'7

[proper ravine]

130ish cm huh?

[rain quarry]

Yeah, he's a manlet

[proper ravine]

I'm pretty schocked that I'm lighter than a gardevoir (about 90 pounds)

[rain quarry]

I guess it's the dress thing

[crimson cargo]

just beat radical red for the second time, rain team had a much easier time against every fight other than surge, erika, agatha and possibly my rival. really fun game, would definitely recommend for any og pokemon fan looking for a challenge

[rain quarry]

Congrats, pretty cool team. Been thinking of trying it out myself at somepoint, the rebalance stuff sounds pretty good

[west needle]

Holy shit that is some top notch AR

[fierce breach]

wow thats really cool

[turbid horizon]

I think it's funny when Pokémon tries to justify certain moves being physical or special which maybe don't make perfect sense, or just stand outside the norm

Gunk shot is a perfect example

Because it's a Gunk Shot, if an Acid Spray is special, surely a Gunk Shot would be

But no, it's not, it's a physical

And now I don't know if it was to make it seem more like a physical attack or not

But to me, the 3DS games having the animation be throwing a bin at someone feels like an attempt to be like "see, this is why it's not a special attack"

[deft garnet]

in japanese it's called Dust Shoot, if Megaman is anything to go by then Dust would just be shorthand for Garbage

in either case Junk Shot would probably be more accurate

[turbid horizon]

Probably avoided that for the English translation because it sounds like Toxicroak is kicking you in the balls

[deft garnet]

the ultimate dark type move

[turbid horizon]

If any Pokémon gets to kick people in the balls it's gotta be Incineroar

That should have been it's Z Move tbh

Z Kicking You In The Balls

[proper ravine]

Z move doesn't have Z in the name. So it's "Kicking You In The Balls"

unless status move

[turbid horizon]

It is a status move

[proper ravine]

oh

[turbid horizon]

It faints the opponent and all other Pokémon in the party come out with their stats cut in half for having witnessed it

[turbid horizon]

I am, naturally, very critical of Pokémon Unite making its Pokémon prices higher

That being said, I am less worried because it's been confirmed it's not gonna be a trend, they aren't getting more expensive and it also sounds like this is kind of a special circumstance

Don't know why, maybe they realised Tyranitar was just super strong (because it is) or if it's just some weird decision they made but like

Sounds like it's not gonna get any worse than T-tar

[deft garnet]

https://twitter.com/GloriousStrizer/status/1564341156665856002?s=20&t=59OjZKmJlHUpT8Bq_uYqdw

cti (@GloriousStrizer)

break over

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[night palm]

I love this

[foggy echo]

Zigzagoons tried to invade my house.

[night palm]

Run

[foggy echo]

Too late. We took over.

https://tenor.com/view/zigzagoon-pokemon-happy-gif-4924193

[civic patio]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[proper ravine]

whoa, is your house (or some building near it) a gym?

[plush trench]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-enemy-gif-26060704

[lofty glade]

Shouldn't have invited Professor Birch over in an Emerald run.

[proper ravine]

have 3 pokémon in his bag, fear of zigzagoon 🤣😂🤣

[foggy echo]

Playground is gym.

[foggy echo]

Yesterday

And today

They keep fotobombing me.

[proper ravine]

bad dog

[foggy echo]

First Zigzagoons now Smergles.

I am lucky.

[shrewd furnace]

Germany calls it "Mülltreffer", literally garbage hit.

[proud iron]

focus blast clone
hit

[deft garnet]

yeah, it hits like garbage

[candid relic]

@deft garnet hey i know this was days ago, but I'm pretty sure mega tyranitar is based on space Godzilla but replace crystals with spikes just fyi so that's why the tail is Like That. no idea on the chest pattern though, that's likely a separate inspiration

[deft garnet]

it'd be cool if he actually had those crystals instead of just wavy spikes

[rain quarry]

Could've gotten away with it too since he's a rock type

[candid relic]

for sure! a mega t-tar/mega steelix fusion would be hard to make look like anything but a mecha space godzilla tbh

[deft garnet]

i had an idea for a pokemon

based on animals that mimic poisonous animals so they don't get eaten

Grass/Dark milk snake pokemon who looks like a poison type, its ability is that once per battle it resists 1 attack that Poison would resist

or maybe just Dark

[rain quarry]

I think mono dark works nicer for that yeah

[turbid horizon]

I've been thinking about my bug being super effective against electricity idea and tbh even if it wasn't made into a general buff, a good enough bug Pokémon could justify it as an ability pretty well

A glitch bug type Pokémon

It could be a (leak spoilers) ||paradox future|| form of an existing bug Mon, even

Or a new variant of Porygon

Porywrong

The Buggy Pokémon

[deft garnet]

Ability that makes bug moves super effective against steel and elec

I'm just throwing around abilities that screw with type matchups

[rain quarry]

Ability that makes bug moves super effective against rock and steel and give it to a Termite pokemon

[deft garnet]

Move for rat mons called Gnaw that beats rock, steel and grass

[rain quarry]

I'm surprised we never got a steel "bite" move

[proper ravine]

iron fang 🤔

[deft garnet]

I think I came up with one a signature move for an evo of a dog eevee knockoff

I called it Lockjaw but then drednaw came along

[proper ravine]

dragon tail, aqua tail, tail whip, iron tail

no other type either

[turbid horizon]

That would work along the same premice and may be more balanced than wasting an ability slot on one type matchup

I mean a better type could afford it but bug would need a strong ability to justify it

[deft garnet]

Super infestation, make bug beat everything

Or, make all bug moves super effective when the opponent is Infested

[turbid horizon]

I think a big limiter of Pokémon abilities is most of them can only do one thing

And what I mean by that is a lot of them do one average thing with no other application and/or drawback

As much as I think Solar Power itself is dumb for damaging you over time, I do want to see more abilities like it or Dry Skin

More abilities with certain drawbacks allowing their actual effect to be more powerful

Even if all that amounts to is adding another weakness to it or something

Say for example an ability on an ice type which negated super effective physical attacks, but boosted the damage from super effective special attacks

Not the best example but that sort of direction could make abilities cooler and it's a shame it's not used more

[deft garnet]

Would be cool, though gf is probably afraid of doing that since any time they add a mechanic that actually does something. It's either completely useless or breaks the whole game

But on a third hand

I wholeheartedly welcome anything that breaks pokemon

[deft garnet]

the concepts

[turbid horizon]

I like the fake poison idea

Honestly I've been thinking about bug mons and I've come to the conclusion that Vikavolt would have been better if it was more like Orbeetle

We've ALL seen that Gigantamax concept for Vikavolt where it's like a gundam

And Orbeetle is basically a mini version of that concept

I am all for more bug-like and less humanoid bugs, but straightup?

Vikavolt sucks balls

And it's design isn't necessarily the bad part

But I still think it would have been better more like Orbeetle

They should have been a cross-generational pair that both look like little dude's

[deft garnet]

all vika needed was average speed and I would use it in a heartbeat

[turbid horizon]

And then in SW/SH we'd have gotten fucking Gundam Vikavolt Vs Saucer Orbeetle

It would have single handedly SAVED dynamax

[turbid horizon]

Enough to use choice scarf, at least

[deft garnet]

I know slowvolt is the meme but I did try using it in penumbra moon and it was actually unusable

[turbid horizon]

It's like

Slow to the point that even after agility it's unbearable

Nintendo needs to realise that even these heavy-hitter Pokémon are absolutely fucking worthless to set up without an attack boost

[tropic ravine]

imagine being a big flying electrical bug and still being slower than fat cat

[deft garnet]

slower than a literal turtle

[turbid horizon]

Using a turn to speed up a slow Pokémon with 400 attack means nothing, straightup

It's like Golurk

It has rock polish but like

[tropic ravine]

and that’s why Smogon gave us Trademarked

[turbid horizon]

Even then it takes one switch-in to immediately shut down that effort

[deft garnet]

yanmega evo that's a dragon type just so it can set up dragon dance+speed boost+baton pass

or just give him those moves

[turbid horizon]

Honestly I'd give Golurk gear shift, but I think it would have been a bit much to give it to it in gen 5 for the sole fact Klinklang kinda had it as a signature (with Genesect later getting it as an event move)

I guess it doesn't really have gears but it's somewhat mechanical

[deft garnet]

give him shell smash

[turbid horizon]

I still think they should have used it's whole energy core concept. Something like Minior where it takes some damage and it's seal pops off

Honestly? Just a Pokémon with super wasted potential

They were like OHMYGODWEHAVEAROBOT

Then made it turn into a cannon, and a rocket, and shoot lasers

But couldn't think of anything better than Big Punch Man

[deft garnet]

shoulda given him pile bunkers

[turbid horizon]

Another ability idea could be having all special attacks convert to physical attacks

Oh it's cannon and lasers? Punch beams

It's shooting physical energy

[tropic ravine]

Golurk is sort of based on alchemical golems/homonculi too (made of clay, hence Ground and not Steel)

[deft garnet]

ground type punch move called rocket punch

[turbid horizon]

Frankly

Perfect mega candidate

I've already stated I don't hate op Pokémon getting megas because I literally couldn't care less about broken Mons

But I hate that they took from Pokémon like Golurk

[deft garnet]

yeah the reason to hate op pokemon getting megas is that, that's effort that would have been so much better put somewhere else

[turbid horizon]

Like, obviously the pseudos were gonna be let in on one of the most important gimmicks in the history of the god damn game. Obviously they were gonna let the legendaries have them too.

But they should have done that whilst also doing more for weaker Mons

The simple fact is they should have just HAD more megas

Which they could have if the gimmick had more time

[deft garnet]

making art very hardo

[turbid horizon]

They cut it off unjustly before it could reach enough weak Mons

Because don't get me wrong I hate that it did but OBVIOUSLY Charizard was gonna get one

They were always gonna have a massive list of Pokémon guaranteed to get em weak or not

But we had that trickle of weaker Mons getting that necessary boost

And if we'd just gotten that for longer, we'd have gotten a better selection

I'll say it time and time again

Megas working like Ultimates from Ben 10 is my SHIT

And on THAT note

How do we feel about Samurott with rocket launchers on its wrists

Mega Samurott gets rocket launchers and also now all its ice type attacks look like fire (but they still freeze)

[deft garnet]

I just want my man to stand up

That's all he needs

Why the fuck do you give a man 2 swords and then keep him on the ground

[turbid horizon]

Honestly that's not even a design change its just an animation change

[deft garnet]

That's all he needs!

[turbid horizon]

I mean the gen 5 anime wasn't the best quality

But did you SEE Samurott fighting?

Motherfucker just occasionally GOT UP

[deft garnet]

But that wasn't my samurott

[turbid horizon]

Two swords, flexing like hell

That's what we need in game

Because honestly, I think it looks fine on all fours, I didn't mind the change from otter to sea lion

But I think animation wise they should have made a point of him getting up

Being on all fours should be it's sort of resting stance

And then when it goes to attack, it gets up, draws its swords with a quick and powerful slash, before putting them away and going back down

Some anime swordsman shit

[deft garnet]

That's my 1 big dig against PLA, they didn't change Rott's animations at all

They just made him black

[turbid horizon]

It could also stand up in a more idle way to scout the area

Know what I mean?

Kinda like a meerkat

[deft garnet]

Meerlion

[turbid horizon]

Stands up tall with its nose to the air to look around

Samurott is the perfect case of a Pokémon who's design is massively overhated which I would 100% contribute to animation

[deft garnet]

I only think it's a huge wasted potential because of such a stupid little issue

It's because I know he can be so good

But they went out of their way to not

[turbid horizon]

It's not even like it looks bad when it's standing up?

Like

It's built to stand and be on all fours

There would be basically no design tweak necessary

[deft garnet]

I can only assume it's because he'd look too humanoid being up and using a weapon

[turbid horizon]

Just get the model and turn it 90°

[deft garnet]

But they already screwed that up with gen 8

[turbid horizon]

I'd also accept it lying on its back occasionally when idle like when you throw it out in PLA

To bring it back to the otter stuff a bit

Y'know that otter position where they're just chilling tf out

Imagine Samurott doing that it'd be great

[deft garnet]

maybe have its helmet over its eyes, one so it would fit and 2 because of course

[turbid horizon]

Shell smash is also like

An obvious addition that would make it fine almost immediately

It would even bring an interesting dilemma because Hisuian Samurott would be more likely to get OHKO'd before setting up because of the fighting abundance, whilst also having access to cease edge and knock off stab after the shell smash

[deft garnet]

samurott just breaks his sword on the bar counter

[turbid horizon]

And normal Samurott would have better potential for setting up with only two weaknesses discounting freeze dry

Whilst we're on the topic of gen 5 starters can we at the very least get Emboar a new ability?

They picked this fucker up and said "not only will you get hit before attacking 80% of the time, you're also strongest when you're killing yourself"

I could see Simple with bulk up maybe but it wouldn't make it good

It's just that slow Pokémon don't need even more health drain

Funnily enough, revisiting an earlier Pokémon, that's how I'd have taken Vikavolt

I'd have made it a reckless physical attacker with high speed high attack

Slap volt tackle on that thing and see what happens

[tropic ravine]

conkeldurr is better tbh

[turbid horizon]

Fucking love Conkeldurr

[tropic ravine]

pheromosa

[turbid horizon]

UB's should have non-beast-boost abilities

Even if it was just their hidden ability

[fierce breach]

that would be cool

having hidden abilities

[deft garnet]

barraskewda with reckless and a water type flare blitz

[tropic ravine]

now that you said flare blitz im reminded of the really funny april fools sprite smogon did for darmanitan

“CLICK ON FLARE BLITZ”
“why u no flare blitz?”
“CLICK ON ICICLE CRASH”
“AAAAAAAAAAAAA”

[turbid horizon]

Unovan Darmanitan's zen mode should, at the very least, swap physical attack boosts with special attack

[fierce breach]

poor zen mode darmanitan

at least the galarian one is actually useable

[turbid horizon]

Frankly I think with how unhinged Galarian Zen Mode is, they should update Unovan Zen Mode to be floating with psychic energy and get rid of its speed nerf

Hell, if you really wanna make it a good ability

Make Zen Mode be Darmanitan's ability, and have the Zen Mode form's ability be like

Psychic Surge

E.g. Zen Mode transforms it into Zen form, but Zen form's ability isn't Zen Mode

[turbid horizon]

Sometimes the first thing your Pokémon Showdown opponent says to you is I Love You

And it's like Hey Bud Coming On A Little Strong There

I dig it though

Human kindness is inescapable even in the darkest places (Showdown)

[turbid horizon]

Simple nerf for knock off

Recycle should get your item back from it

[bright bear]

im skating on my rhyhorn

[west needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295383478034366474/1014992015127232552/unknown.png

[turbid horizon]

Straightup if anyone sees any good ds game from hacks that aren't Drayano or a similar rebalance let me know

Criminally few

And I understand why but like

It's not like they're impossible, and the ds games have been around so long

[shrewd furnace]

There are even good hacking tools for rom editing for the DS games around nowadays.

[turbid horizon]

I assumed so, I mean it's not like the DS is a fucking tesseract that hackers have been trying to solve for decades

I can 100% get that it's a more difficult challenge to take on, but you'd have thought it would be more of a... I dunno, priority?

[shrewd furnace]

Well, a lot of hack creators are first-timers, and will go for tried and true moethods.

[turbid horizon]

I guess so. When you look at GBA hacks, most are actually kinda poor quality which are just fondly remembered cobbled together

Most super high quality stuff is fan games, and the issue there wouldn't be DS hacking, would it? It'd be an issue with Pokémon Essentials.

I mean it goes without saying plenty of fan games with RPG maker use DS-level Pokémon graphics or above but I still haven't seen anything that properly utilises the same sort of 3D as gen 5

Y'know, those limited 3D graphics they used which are so charming

Anyone who gets that reference is cool

[shrewd furnace]

Maybe we will see them with BD/SP, apparently they can prove great for romhacks.

[turbid horizon]

Honestly as disappointing as the games were I'd fucking love to see ROM hacks in BD/SP style

The chibi style really isn't problematic on its own, it's just a let down for what people actually wanted for the remake they'd been waiting for

[shrewd furnace]

I wonder if people will be able to do that "HD2D" thing that has been popular, combine 3D assets with 2D sprites.

[turbid horizon]

Gen 5 sprites BDSP world, let's get Paper Mario up in this bitch

[bright bear]

i caught a shiny pokemon this is my 2nd shiny

[shrewd furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZP4UEUWS9g

Oh hey just as we were talking.

[shrewd furnace]

Also, congratulations

[bright bear]

thank u

[turbid horizon]

Genuinely curious about this because I've been thinking

And especially with (let's be real) the return of hidden power, but better

What would people think of quad weaknesses being nerfed?

I don't know to what extent, mind you

But there are some criminally offensive type combos which just suck. Definitively. And they won't. Stop. Using them. On slow. Pokémon.

Even taking G-Max Coalossal as an example of a bad quad weakness, which is super slow, but ended up op

We no longer have G-Max, the one thing giving it any purchase

I don't know if it would be a nerf down to like

3x, or something else

But I really think quad weaknesses, especially with terrastalising this gen, need to go

[rain quarry]

x3 seems fine to me

[turbid horizon]

I mean I'd put it this way, take Weakness Policy Rhyperior as an example maybe

At this point, any water move is gonna one shot almost guaranteed

But it it was 3x instead, water moves used as type coverage by non-water types, or maybe even water moves used by weak water types might still leave it kicking

At the very least, you may get off your rock polish, or get one hit in

[proper ravine]

I'm at Cerulean City now. About to challenge Misty, but my pokémon that have type advantage against hers are dead already 🥲
||Pokémon AlteRed||

[proper ravine]

Whatever~

Ok. Time to play casually. Edo Tensei the Grass pokémon!

[proper ravine]

Pokémon AlteRed HoF, A year ago.

[rain quarry]

Pretty cool

[turbid horizon]

Eugh

Wanting to play through Xenoverse versus my loathing that it apparently doesn't have any EV/IV streamlining

No nature mints/changers, no nothing

That's bad at the best of times but like

Coming straight from Radical Red?

Doesn't make you too enthusiastic

And it sucks because like the game looks awesome and the new forms are cool as fuck

Content wise it's exactly what I'm looking for but it sounds as though QOL wise it's a bust

Apparently you can get mods for IV changer, ability changer, etc

But I really don't understand why this stuff isn't becoming more standard

[proper ravine]

AmalgaMagenta done

[shrewd furnace]

Never heard of AmalgaMagenta.

[turbid horizon]

What if hail weakened steel type's defense in the same way sandstorm buffs rock's special defense?

In reference to steel becoming less flexible and as a result, brittle when cold

A necessary buff to ice, a necessary nerf to steel

But one that can be negated with a team comp which is complimentary to steal such as sand teams

[rain quarry]

That sounds fun

[turbid horizon]

I figure the crucial part here is that it's not a knock to special defense, because a lot of the already good ice types are special attackers

So, Alolan Ninetailes for example may not benefit too much from it

But sort of good-but-not-always-great choices like Mamoswine would really be in their element

And it goes without saying Weavile would have a lot more luck against things that could normally block it

I think my only concern would be Arctozolt...

I fear with the added defense drop it may become a bit too close to its fish-head cousin

[rain quarry]

What happens to Alolan Sandslash in hail

[turbid horizon]

I figure ice/steel types would still suffer the defense drop but that's really up to personal preference

Alolan Sandslash could become super scary without steel types walling it so well, so it suffering a defense drop in return may not be the worst thing?

But idk

[turbid horizon]

I think stone edge should be tweaked

85 or 90 acc, but now it makes contact

Tbh it's less relevant now without mega Aerodactyl but this is so it works with Tough Claws

But it would need the acc boost if it's losing its no-contact

[shrewd furnace]

Rock-type in general would be rather nice with a 100 acc move of reasonable base strength.

[turbid horizon]

Okay, so news report for any people not playing Unite who are curious about how the game's going

Just had my first match against Mew

FUCK.
FUCK.

This thing is so busted

It's whole gimmick is being able to switch moves on the fly, which is a cool idea, but they did not adequately weaken it's individual moves to make up for it

It's got a god damn impenetrable barrier which you not only can't pass but is also too far out from Mew itself for physical attackers to even contemplate landing a hit

It has like an even better solar beam to follow up which is five miles long and was melting me as Snorlax

I dunno maybe it's because I was on offense Snorlax which isn't the best build but it was so fucking busted

Put into Snorlax terms, despite being my only move that could bypass the barrier, the barrier pushes you so far out from Mew instantly that Snorlax Yawn doesn't reach it

I mean heavy slam might have bypassed it but why the hell does it get an entire move as one of its many options that completely shuts down some styles of play??

What's worse is you can't even buy it at the moment with your hard earned coins

I'm pretty sure it's currently locked behind a reward system for playing for a while

And to be fair it seems to unlock fast enough to get it with a few hours of play

But that just means the people who spent the last day or so that it's been out sweating get it first

And those people are obviously gonna be good at the game already!

I need to sit down

In happier news, the system of ranking up has changed a little

So now it's based on how you personally do in a match, not necessarily whether you win or lose

[west needle]

Am I glad I never started playing thag p2w garbo

[turbid horizon]

Honestly Mew's problem is it's an attacker

They're releasing way too many attackers and all rounders

Now they made the Mon with the most versatile kit a damage dealer?

Mew should be a support Swiss army knife style Pokémon

[fierce breach]

oh mew is in unite now?

funny

i havent played that game in like almost a year mainly because playing seriously nd competitively is too stressful for me

[turbid horizon]

And a new map

The most important feature of which being No Zapdos

[fierce breach]

nic

e

[turbid horizon]

You get Rayquaza instead, which doesn't make scoring instant. Just makes the team who gets it bulkier with a shield and makes scoring faster