sounds good to me
#fusions
hidden bison
or maybe granbull...
copper briar
granbull isnt nearly as good as dragonite
hidden bison
yeah but I thought shell smash might be a little bit wasted if it also gets dragon dance
hidden bison
btw. is there a better way to get shell smash to the cloyster? shellder only learns it lvl 56
hidden bison
Crimson City
there is a Shell Smash tutor there
you can get it on a few mons
thanks
👍
haughty jay
well now I'm undecided, my current team is: wartortle / nidoqueen, magnemite and butterfree .. initially I wanted to melt butterfree with magnemite, but now I'm thinking of defusing wartortle / nidoqueen and then melting wartortle with magnemite, it would be a water / steel pretty good , and possibly butterfree merges with jolteon (i will use butterfree for the ability compoundeyes for quiver dance/sleep powder/thunder combo)
any suggestion?
hidden bison
well Magnezone/Blastoise should be quite strong
Water/Steel is a good type combo
and Butterfree/Jolteon is good for Sleep powder
since its going to be fast
so you can go ahead with that
but well you will need more team members
haughty jay
yeah i think so, although I like both blastoise / nidoqueen, but statistically they are mediocre together despite good typing
hidden bison
well mammuth
this game is not all about min-maxing
you can go ahead and make weaker fusions
as long as you enjoy using them
I like the possible blastoise/nidoqueen fusion. do you have it as a water/poison or water/ground?
i also think that the jolted with compound eyes could be nice. I would keep the steel type for a different combination (steel/flying, steel/fairy, steel/dragon)
*jolteon
hidden bison
yeah I also have the water/ground in my team and like it a lot (Gyarados/mamoswine)
haughty jay
not bad
hidden bison
i also spend way to much time planning what fusions would have the best stats/ability/type combinations, but as universes said
just do what you enjoy
right
everyone usually starts off this game just fusing whatever
when they figure out the fusion mechanics they start focusing on making optimized fusions
but in the end
unless you are doing a nuzlocke
i dont see a reason to optimize too much
as even mons with 400-450 BST will get you through the game
just use what you want to use
and if that is OP mons
then use them lol
hidden bison
I think about making the Nidoqueen/Blastoise a poison/water type and run it with toxic spikes and sludge bomb if I find the tm for it..
pulsar obsidian
What should i fuse my kabuto with?
hidden bison
do you need any specific type in your team?
pulsar obsidian
not really
haughty jay
guys what do you think magnezone head/ crobat body?
pulsar obsidian
I think thats good
pallid ore
Pretty good yeah
haughty jay
steel/flying, good special attack and good speed
pallid ore
Scizor/Kabutops @ emmanuel
pulsar obsidian
thanks
pallid ore
Snorlax head works as well
There is a lot, really. Kabutops has the perfect stats for a body
hidden bison
@ mammuth that should be deadly
pallid ore
Machamp/Kabutops as well
hidden bison
so many opportunities for Kabutops:
rock/bug, water/flying, water/poison, water/ground, water/dragon are all really good type combinations
hidden bison
your thoughts on a chansey/alakazam fusion (Chansey head)
pallid ore
Chansey will lower the sp.att alot, but the typing is decent and you can almost never go wrong with a chansey/blissey head fusion so I guess it's fine
Maybe blissey is a better option as it doesn't reduce the sp.att as much. But I guess you wanted to run it with eviolite?
68 sp.att vs 95 sp.att on blissey. That's quite substantial
hidden bison
didn't thought about the eviolite at all haha
I meant to write blissey in my question don't know why I mixed them up
junior lily
120 HP isn't bad, if you want more Sp Atk
I kinda want to get a Blissey/Stellix.
How does it handle physical Fighting-type moves?
haughty jay
this
pallid ore
It's unkillable in a normal playthrough as trainer mons (at least the randomized ones) don't have EV's and usually no strong fighting moves
But yeah it could still be one shot by a decently trained fighting mon
copper briar
bruno: 👀
proud crane
I used a Chansey/Cloyster to similiar effect (this was before gen 2 was added)
Set up entry hazards all day
near scarab
Fighting Dojo👀
hidden bison
Blissey and Kabutops might be a good fusion
pallid ore
Blissey + anything is a good fusion
copper briar
ima fuse blissey with rattata
pallid ore
Well, of course first stage pkmn are still bad
But with raticate it's decent
Super fang and shit
It even makes ditto good
hidden bison
The power of fusion
proud crane
it doesn't just make ditto good, it makes ditto top-tier competitive playable
at least until you remember that mew exists
junior lily
Yeah
if you want a mon just for transform, then Blissey/Mew is the way to go.
pulsar obsidian
I have a mew yanmega fusion its a fast sweeper
plus mews the head so the fusion has alot of sp. atk
Combined wtih psychic
copper briar
what is yanmega's base s.atk?
proud crane
116
proud crane
yanmega head would have like 5 more SpAtk, but significantly lower SpDef
copper briar
._.
granite tangle
anyone know how ev yield is for fused pokemon?
granite tangle
so body?
granite tangle
thx, but what i mean is when battling wild pokemon that are fused. how is the ev yield for example oddish and meowth fusion would that be special attack and speed or would it just be one of them ?
near scarab
Both
pallid ore
No it's +1 on all stats
+4 when using any of the ev boosting items
Power bracers and so on
Actually.. when using those items unfused Pokémon give you +4 on all stats and the usual ev on top of that
I forgot how that worked exactly with fusions, but it's either +4 or +5 on all
haughty jay
guys what do you think an muk/machamp fusion?
pallid ore
Probably the strongest physical poison/fighting type you can do right now
Maybe Heracross would be a better body depending on if you want more speed or not
But I don't remember Heracross' movepool right now
Also, maybe a Machamp head/poison body could be stronger because it could use dynamic punch and gunk shot with 100% accuracy
haughty jay
yeah i will use it for that
pallid ore
You're not in random? So you don't have secret capsules?
proud crane
I don't think they work yet anyway
pallid ore
I think they work if you choose the opposite of what you want (that's what I heard at least)
haughty jay
but i know where to get secret capsule
pallid ore
Where?
haughty jay
it was just to let you know I'm doing a regular run
pallid ore
Oh I see
haughty jay
now I don't remember the name of the city but it is behind cerulian cityù
pallid ore
Crimson city, you only get ability capsules there
haughty jay
ahh yeah you right
pallid ore
Those won't help you get No Guard on machamp body
pallid ore
Secret capsules are not available rn and maybe they don't even work
haughty jay
so i have to find a good body for machamp head
pallid ore
Arbok or weezing I guess
haughty jay
meh arbok dont have good stats
pallid ore
Weezing doesn't learn gunk shot rip
haughty jay
yeah i know that pity 😦
pallid ore
So either muk for more att and a bit more tankiness or arbok for more speed
junior lily
Qwilphish has 95 Atk and Arbok only has 85? wtf?
junior lily
I know it has less Atk than Oddish
proud crane
onix is if disappointment was long and bumpy
nova sparrow
speed demon of dicc
proud crane
onix is like if they had to suddenly cut all its stats except defense in half after they realized they made it the first boss
nova sparrow
crunch
junior lily
Victreebel also has 105 Atk and gives Poison as the body
just like Muk
proud crane
onix is like a potluck lunch where thirteen out of fifteen people just brought sweet potato casserole
junior lily
I'm surprised that Victreebel has 105 Atk and 100 Sp Atk
tbh I don't think I used it that much
copper briar
victreebel is suprisingly strong
nova sparrow
that's a depressingly correct way to phrasing that
be kid when red and blue was released
see onix
"oh wow that looks really cool and powerful!"
find onix later ingame
f in the chat for them lmao
proud crane
you gotta appreciate that late game power spike
oh, physical attacks? don't mind, I got my level 43 onix
nova sparrow
nice
one rock mobve
throe
alternatuive rock move
toong
or
sleeb
with 45 base attack...
junior lily
are the Zoom and Wide Lens in the game?
proud crane
think so. Maybe available at the trainer house
junior lily
those could help with Gunk Shot's accuracy
since Muk/Machamp is slow
they are available at the trainer house for 16 TP each
copper briar
thats nice attack and hp stats with some nice spdef
i love the way mawile fusions are generated
the generator falls for mawile's pan
plan*
the fake face
junior lily
they could've used the "back" face, but nope
warm basin
he actually look cool lmao
near scarab
Must be defused when you find slugma
copper briar
yes
past beacon
lili pichu
woven willow
hidden bison
my snorlax encounter was gardevoir/tyranitar
with gardevoir body
so... any suggestions what I should do with those 2
near scarab
Use the dna Reversers
hidden bison
I'm tempted to fuse tyranitar with something else, it has so many awesome custom sprites
loud parrot
why is gardevoir my favorite pokemon to make fusions out of...
it all started with that damn dog, then it became an actual problem
near scarab
Weetar
Then
Gardebat
Most likely
But Gardevoir and any of the starters as a body works
hidden bison
@loud parrot do you want to make a gardevoir/ttar fusion for me then? something looks off with the current one I think
haughty jay
guys what do you think an eventually persian/arcanine fusion? could work with technician ability? or maybe nasty plot
robust crater
it'd look cool tho
robust crater
cmon, it's catdog
little canyon
So, Spinrak + Pichu - should I wait until Raichu before I fuse them together you think?
lost wyvern
Might do Steelix/Cloyster later on, fairly mediocre stats (58 HP/88 ATK/193 DEF/75 SPATK/52 SPDEF/43 SPD)
However, water/ground and access to shell smash
Unfortunately the opposite fusion of Steelix head and Cloyster body performs better stat wise but either may have a decent sweep potential
wintry pumice
have fun against any grass type
lost wyvern
I mean to be fair that's the only worry it would have so
Icicle Spear/Ice Shard would help with that
lost wyvern
The reverse fusion is far worse type wise (Steel/Ice)
Does do better with stats though. Might be better grounds to put Cloyster with however
woven willow
the number of the fusion tyranitar (head) and scizor (body) is 248.212 or 212.248 ?
near scarab
Tyranitarnumber.scizornumber
woven willow
a trainer pokemon, name : machoke
hidden bison
What would be better blaziken head/nidoqueen body or the other way around
hidden bison
K
Well I'll defuse mine and hen refuse them
Really wanted that fire typing but what can you do
hybrid cave
did not thought poison fighting had fair share in x0.5
how bout this?
speed 100, special attack 123
can have 4 imuunitys with levitate
hidden bison
I'm raising a fairy/dark togekiss/tyranitar right now. the stats aren't exceptional in any category (ATK, DEF, SPE ATK, SPE DEF over 100 tho) and with serene grace dark pulse, stone edge, moon blast (if I find the tm) and air slash
and has the potential for a super cool looking sprite
hidden bison
I think I have the Tm's randomized unfortunately
near scarab
Unrandomise them then
hidden bison
does it work for the TM's I already picked up? or only for new ones
near scarab
Only new onez
hardy totem
bongong
woven willow
body building bee x)
haughty jay
haughty jay
true*
hidden bison
Do nidoking and nidoqueen learn moves
near scarab
Very late game
But Nidorino/Nidorina have only really access to Poison Jav
But you really want dat
hidden bison
Hmmmm
full pecan
ima try itr out
which way is the best
kabuto bpody with scyther
or other way around
wheat flume
scyther as head is slightly better
near scarab
Yes
Because Steel Rock is the type I think
Scizor and Kabutops both have their types swapped
full pecan
so kabuto body and scizor head?
pallid ore
Yes, steel water with technician and 2 stab priority moves
pallid ore
It should iirc
hidden bison
Any suggestions for what I should fuse groyvle with
pallid ore
It has a custom sprite btw, I made that fusion once and it had one
pallid ore
near scarab
Sudotyle with leaf blade rock slide is the bane of everythings existance
pallid ore
Doesn't it learn wood hammer as well?
hidden bison
Is sceptile better as a head or body also is there a way I can see stats and abilities etc
pallid ore
There are two fusion calculators
pallid ore
You can find them on the Google drive of this game
hidden bison
Cool
pallid ore
You probably need to download or add them to your drive to use them
hidden bison
K
near scarab
Sceptile Body has a custom sprite
Stat wise idk
Also you need to make a copy of it in your own drive
junior lily
yeah, definitely Guts
loud parrot
at some point, I wanna make a fusion that would look a lot like this
I just need the perfect components
junior lily
that's a tough one
loud parrot
I don't wanna go with Omanyte because the face isn't on the flat side
plus I don't wanna give Chef any more power
junior lily
Voltorb with Machop legs and "hair"?
loud parrot
maybe, but Voltorb isn't really flat
loud parrot
venusaur's face is pretty flat...🤔
junior lily
if we're going with 3+ mon fusion, then we ahve way more options
loud parrot
if only IF did that more
junior lily
Voltorb/beta Poliwhirl?
loud parrot
you don't know how well that would of made for a story
ooh, Poliwhirl would be a good head
nova sparrow
oh yeah that works
junior lily
Growlithe/beta Poliwhirl?
loud parrot
or body, but then the legs would be the other part
nova sparrow
yeah growwhirl
loud parrot
I peel the legs and make them black
loud parrot
actuallyy with the musclemass of an Arcanine, the legs would be possible
this is just gonna wind up being the 2nd best Arcanine fusion I've made
junior lily
no arms, so the muscle mass has to go somewhere
loud parrot
indeed
copper briar
just fuse electrode and blaziken
loud parrot
electrode ain't flat
junior lily
plus doggo face
loud parrot
design process :D
lost wyvern
Gonna eventually do Lugia/Ho-oh who has a massive BST
Ho-Oh head and Lugia body works very well
near scarab
They missed on such an opportunity
They made it ho-gia
Instead of Lu-gio
Which sounds like Yu Gi Oh
lost wyvern
lul
haughty jay
i made this one in past, but i cant resize thie because become too large 😦
simple osprey
Is size such a problem? I think it would work if you'd just resize this by 300
Cause this does look hype as fuck
hidden bison
nah
you can resize it
RPG maker games dont rly have a limit
you can make them bigger than 288x288
problem is
if its anything too big
it will look bad
and will go offscreen
or will cover parts of the UI
nova sparrow
it'll be fine
loud parrot
you ever just make something that at first you're really proud of, but then you instantly regret it because you know what will happen with it?
yeah that's just me with the Belle fusion...
hidden bison
my first try for a custom sprite. don't be to harsh but tell me what I could do better
haughty jay
fix foot's claws
hidden bison
half pixels
what did you use to remove the background
those are actually transparent pixels leftover
did you use Photoshop or something ?
I used gimp
will fix the transparent pixels tomorrow.
do u guys like the design or would u change/add anything?
ye
get rid of the green
and fix this
there are actual halfpixels there
also the claws
the removal of the background messed with the outline
black/grey like in the upper part would probably work better with the legs
well you can add it
white looks good as well
but dont make the whole legs like that
something like this
dont go overboard
i will try again tomorrow, but thanks for the input
👍
ye that Gimp really messed up the shades on your sprite
so many shades
and a random floating pixel
make sure to work on sprites in x1 size
all this stuff happened because you were working on a upscaled sprite
check pins in #spriting-discussion for more details
hybrid cave
wonders why u done the opposide hogia fusion 🤔
small pivot
hidden bison
doenerworldtour you can put sprites you work on in #spriting-discussion
yep of course
cerulean vine
so far my favourite on the sprite contest is the dusknoir one
tho umbresparce is a good boi
fathom venture
that scizor better win
ebon hawk
is victreebell/vileplume better? or vileplume/victreebell?
sudden sage
I think vileplume/victreebell
cerulean vine
robust crater
special kingler
hidden bison
Woah
haughty jay
I thought to fuse honchkrow and charizard, statistically it is quite balanced and then aesthetically it would be too cool
hidden bison
je dispose ici :3
slate stream
He just skinned sunkern
copper briar
he baby
tired steeple
is there something wrong with friendship evos my azzuril wont evolve
near scarab
Are you with go to speak to the lady in cerulean
With Azurill in front of party
Keep tipping clown 100
At a time until she says you are a kind person
tired steeple
ok thanks
near scarab
Then tip a minimum of 4 times then level it up
A good strategy (The one I use most of the time) to evolve friendship mons
copper briar
im pretty sure you didnt think of it first.
copper briar
then maybe rephrase that to "A good strat to friendship evos"
iinstead of "my strat"
hidden bison
Why does it matter lol
haughty jay
i love it 😍
hidden bison
Will there be big crow dragon
haughty jay
yeah a big dark boss crow dragon ahah
hidden bison
haughty jay
I can't wait to make it evolve
hidden bison
well get a Dusk stone from the Lavender Stone maniac then
haughty jay
ook thanks
hidden bison
he gives different stones at different times of day
you should be able to guess the time by the names of the stones
Hmmm
haughty jay
well now is turn of dawn stone -.-
hidden bison
Dusk stone at dawn
haughty jay
arghhh
hidden bison
Dawn stone at dusk
well you can get them all in 1 day
you can only recieve 1 of each tho
go sleep for 6 hr at the hotel
and see what stone he will give you
junior lily
I was about to say what Universez said.
If that doesn't work, then idk what will.
junior lily
make sure you don't want any moves from Murkrow
never mind
Honchkrow also learns Foul Play at level 45
mortal drum
mortal drum
bout to make it an oddkarp instead
well this is an older version I believe
I got the game back on May 31st
slate stream
You should update
mortal drum
but I won't keep my save right?
slate stream
Not a question for me
robust crater
the update won't affect your save if you have a 4.x version
mortal drum
I have no idea what version I had so we'll see lol
lost wyvern
thinking of doing a poison/dark because only one weakness but i am struggling to find any good poison mons to put with darks lol
lost wyvern
mayhaps muk and umbreon
mortal drum
umbreon as the special tank and muk as the physical, probably
lost wyvern
loud parrot
oh yeah, Muk's defenses are more special orientated
lost wyvern
there arent a lot of poison types that go well with Umbreon so idk
weezing does somewhat better
proud crane
Umbreon/Weezing with Levitate for no weaknesses is popular. In a late game scenario, I like Umbreon/Arbok with Gunk Shot, Crunch, Coil, and Baton Pass/Glare
lost wyvern
i think umbzing might be the best choice, everything else sorta stinks
more importantly idk what would be good to fuse w/ venusaur
loud parrot
I need to use Umbreon more in the future
proud crane
my problem with Umbreon is that it's really weak offensively
cyan parcel
Dark/ghost only has fairy
Weakness
I think there not really that many fairy moves ingame
hidden bison
Venusaur/persian
Venusaur/pidgeot
Venusaur/nidoking
Those three should have pretty good stats and half decent typings
haughty jay
I'm thinking to fuse porygon- z with gengar, not bad in my opinion
or porygon-z with starmie, I can't decide
slate stream
Round starmie
hybrid cave
just go tangrowth shuckle with leech seed, protect and sturdy
gl hf
and forretress shedinja for intro
bug steel still
weakness only fire basicaly
haughty jay
or I could do snorlax / cloyster! a good tank
hidden bison
I just wanted to ask for good fusion ideas for cloyster...
snorlax seems good
you guys know more interesting and strong cloister fusions?
#autocorrect
hybrid cave
if u mean ice and good tank
then i have a very bad news
u can try cloyster shuckle XD
i just realised that shuckle shedinja can be a thing cause shuckle can change def stats to offens stats
bug rock weakness is water rock n steel
if u exchange def to attack u got 168 attack
that sure is a number
rock helps against sandstorm right?
hidden bison
blissey/cloyster might be good as well
187 HP
123 Def
103 SpDef
or azumarril/cloyster with huge power
pallid ore
Huge power is a body ability in this game
haughty jay
duskull can be founded in the game or in postgame?
hidden bison
ah good to know stanley
junior lily
you can find it in Lavender next to the tower, if you ring the bell at 12:45AM-1:00AM
you will need to get a quest from the hotel in Celadon, I think
so we can only get X/Fairy-types with Huge Power
proud crane
Unless you give it a Fairy-type head. Then Azumarill will give Water to avoid redundancy
Of course that pretty much limits you to Togekiss and Clefable, which ruins the point of having Huge Power
odd ledge
Bring back huge power azumarill head, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
proud crane
bluhhhh
junior lily
that's still Fairy-type
haughty jay
mhh guys a good wall fusion for the game? no random ahah
i am thinking to fuse or dusknoir or cloyster
or tangrowth with someone
pallid ore
Just get secret capsules for huge power azumarill head 
junior lily
junior lily
I think Ghost/Psychic is good
junior lily
Normal/Ghost?
haughty jay
maybe
pallid ore
Blissey dusknoir
haughty jay
eh but chansey is hard to found i think
pallid ore
Snorlax dusknoir
junior lily
I think you can find it in the Safari Park
Blissey/Gengar seems tanky enough with a better Sp Atk
haughty jay
i know but is really hard to catch
haughty jay
lol
junior lily
yeah, but it's tanky enough with decent Sp Atk(93) and it's Normal/Ghost
hybrid cave
have u ever tryed blislix going high ev points in special def def and hp?
gl getting it die with softboiled, not impossible but most unlikely xD
junior lily
I would, if we could battle online, but it's not really worth training your mons that much for the mons you encounter in-game
hybrid cave
made pfew mistakes on this one with ev points btw
junior lily
might as well have fun with the fusions we can make
that's nice
does it have any moves that take advantage of it's ability?
hybrid cave
it mostly can learn all fang elements
can also learn stealth rock
so if u got like a forretress fusion with shedinja (bug steel) u can do alot of spikes
that combined with stealth rock
junior lily
ok, what I was asking if your Blissey/Steelix has any of those moves
hybrid cave
is basicaly saying, just keep doing softboiled for the win
fang elements can do burn paralyze etc
though if u go for poison u not realy gonna need it
toxic would be nice but if u do twice toxic spikes of a forretress fusion u wont need it either
junior lily
I know what fangs can do, but what's it move set?
what are the 4 moves your Blissix has?
hybrid cave
the fangs are his lvl 1 move set basicaly
xD
oh mine
toxic, stealth rock, minimize softboiled
absolute stall pokemon
junior lily
there you go
junior lily
is Rock Head a head/face ability?
hybrid cave
those spikes far more usefull
and give blislix roar basicaly
(incase of elite four wanna bs me again with that full restore
think it can learn dragon tail not sure
proud crane
Would absolutely recommend Dragon Tail over Minimize
hybrid cave
more over toxic
proud crane
Stack up the Stealth Rock damage and spread Toxic to your opponent's whole team
proud crane
minimize is just cancer
hybrid cave
stealth rock can stack?
proud crane
no, I mean force constant switches with dragon tail
hybrid cave
o that
yea
but
i keep minimize
since ill do the shedinja forretress fusion
so i no need to use toxic
proud crane
hidden bison
Why is this number one haha
odd ledge
Because everybody likes to be clever and be like "haha, it says Hitler. That is the nazi guy who did the holocaust hahahahaha"
pallid ore
That shark really looks like..a predator.. I think I need some sleep
cyan parcel
So would body of azumarill(for huge power) and head of Dratini be better or other way?
proud crane
Azumarill body would have much higher attack, and Dragon/Fairy typing
odd ledge
yeah that is a pretty beefy mon overall
proud crane
Azumarill head would be Water/Dragon with a smidge more speed, def, and hp, and a lot less attack power
odd ledge
Admittedly, not a bad typing either, but yeah Huge Power is way too good to pass up
proud crane
It really is
cyan parcel
Yeah now I need just 3 other pokemon for my team lol
odd ledge
BIdoof/Arceus
cyan parcel
Oh god
robust crater
cyan parcel
Oh no it has evolve
odd ledge
no evolve in this
cyan parcel
Talking about to god hood
odd ledge
Oh I see what you mean now. Still no though. It has simply reclaimed its original form
robust crater
cyan parcel
Haha it pretty silly
Noooooooo
I think I found one most broken pokemon fussion
Its silly
odd ledge
yeah Dark/Ghost Wonder Guard is strong
cyan parcel
Really only way to kill it is fairy types moves and
Stats effect
frail solstice
sandstorm or hail
a pokemon with foresight
although I don't remember if that actually works against shedninja
hidden bison
to get trade evo fusions
do i need to level up with them now
same with ones with held items?
trying to get my hands on Dragonite x Scizor
oh no
can i last a few more levels
hidden bison
the good DEF and SpeDef from Umbreon is kind of wasted on a wonderguard shedinja fusion. I would go for a faster or more offensive dark mon as a fusion partner for shedinja
i let it evolve
i dont know if i'll get that good final evo fusion
haughty jay
guys what doi you think and eventually Lickilicky/Tangrowth fusion?
hidden bison
pretty good
haughty jay
yeah i think it to, pretty bulky
haughty jay
yes true
depsite the ability lol but i like this fusion
despite*
could you suggest me an eventuallty moveset?
i already know the item , leftovers
for moves: return, ingrain, toxic and giga drain , thinked quickly lol
haughty jay
mhh maybe
hidden bison
Lickitung can Get ALOT of TM's
haughty jay
yeah i thinked a fire move
hidden bison
so check out some moves from the TMs
in place of Ingrain
also instead of toxic you can always go for Sunny Day, Solar Beam, Flamethrower on it
depending on what other mons you have
heck you could get Swords Dance on it
and just go the Phys route
Return, Power Whip, Swords Dance, Earthquake
haughty jay
mhh all nice ideas
hidden bison
lots of options
haughty jay
yes true
maybe i colud make it physical because in my team i have a lot of special attacker
cyan parcel
When fusion a shedinja and Umbreon would it hp be 63.666 or is there a special rule for this fusion?
Shedinjia hp(1/3x1)+(2/3×95)=63.666 hp
near scarab
Shedinja fusions always have 1hp
cyan parcel
Alright so its has a special rule gottcha
tepid sable
Correction
pallid ore
Yeah always 1 hp if it has Wonderguard. If you don't choose Wonderguard it will have more than 1. Don't remember how much exactly
tepid sable
Wonder Guard forces 1 hp
pallid ore
Like shedinja hp Base stat was increased
near scarab
But if you don't choose wonder guard what is wrong with you
tepid sable
If you choose the other ability for a Shedinja fusion it won't have 1 hp
Shedinja's base hp of 1 is pretty bad for fusions though lol
pallid ore
So you won't see it as often in the early game when randomizing
tepid sable
Depends on your randomization bst range
pallid ore
A shedinja/Shuckle fusion doesn't have 7 hp base stat, it has ~ 25 iirc
cyan parcel
Ah
tepid sable
Oh ye I forgot Shedinja's base hp was increased lol
It's still bad don't get me wrong
But slightly less bad
Realistically though why would you make a Shedinja fusion if you aren't going for Wonder Guard
pallid ore
Yeah and I thought about that hp regen item on dealing damage, but it restored less than I remembered
Yeah sturdy was the idea
tepid sable
Yeah Shell Bell ain't amazing
pallid ore
You still need to do like 600 damage per hit, which.. just doesn't work lol
You can do something similar with leech seed sturdy, but it's too much hp as well
tepid sable
Hmm, I don't know why that wouldn't work...
Leech Seed Sturdy level 1 mon is very yes
pallid ore
You'll need a full hp ev trained blissey fusion to actually leech enough over 2 turns with protect + leech seed
Ok I didn't think about a lvl 1 version lol
But I was thinking you would get scaled up to 50 in the trainer house anyway so it doesn't work
Now that I see that screenshot, shedinjas hp stat seems quite high actually
That's 0iv+ev
On a Shuckle body, which reduces hp quite a bit
If I didn't mess up, that should be 80 100 Hp Base stat on shedinja head
tepid sable
Oh damn
pallid ore
Yeah, now it finally has a slightly higher BST than the starters, nice
hidden bison
Any suggestions for hitmontop fusions
Never mind lol
Lapras head
for that quality Laptop
Perhaps
hidden bison
I wanna build some new fusions for my team can you guys please help me out.
I need: (head/body)
- Rapidash/Aerodactyl
- Blissey/Cloyster
- Alakazam/Houndoom
- Ampharos/Typhlosion
thanks in advance for your help!
cyan parcel
So would it be better to do scizor/leaf on
Hp 67
At 123
Def 110
Spat 58
Speed 70
Speed 75
Or
Scyther/leafeon
Hp 67
At 110
Def 97
Sp att 58
Sp def 70
Speed 107
With evoilite
proud crane
Grass/Steel is definitely more appealing than Grass/Bug, but Scyther/Leafeon's a lot tougher
cyan parcel
True am split between grass/steel or evolite
cyan parcel
Ooops
loud parrot
Leafeon/Scyther for speed
proud crane
here's Scizor/Leafeon
loud parrot
my Bias
cyan parcel
Was going for that speed XD
But If I go scizor/leafeon its bug /grass
Not grass/steel
loud parrot
I'm pretty sure Scizor fuses pure steel now
it actually makes sense because of the lack of them
cyan parcel
Alright If so then make more reason to go
For that fusion
proud crane
even if it does, Scizor body gets you 6 points of attack at the cost of 10 speed, 10 Def, and 10 SpDef, so I'd stick to Scizor head
As much as I like speed and eviolite, I gotta say Steel/Grass over Bug/Grass
odd ledge
Scizor has its type order swapped and the calculator doesn't reflect that for some reason
cyan parcel
Gotcha
fair shore
What's a good fast body to give Huge Power to?
Actually
Yeah no, even though azu learns aqua jet i still want the speed
simple osprey
@fair shore you know it has to be a fast head if you want huge power
fair shore
.. I forgot to check which ability slot Huge power was in
I'll check pure power
Medicham is in the game, right?
simple osprey
It's not
left flume
Hi guys just started the game today, is Feraligatr/Ampharos a good fusion?
loud parrot
just do whatever sound cooler
fusion order really don't matter in vanilla playthroughs
hidden bison
Ampharos head would give you better stats
but ye if you want a feraligatr head go for that
junior lily
iirc Ampharos/Feraligatr has a pretty cool sprite
loud parrot
but Feraligatr/Ampharos doesn't have a sprite, which means that you could make a sprite for a fusion that doesn't already have one
odd ledge
gator is sheeps clothing pay no attention to the fact that Ampharos has no wool
junior lily
"in sheep's clothing"
hmmmm
the Houndoom/Mareep could be that
near scarab
Wooloo's evolution
left flume
I actually randomized and started over
And it was Ampharos head, or it would've been
Now i have Ampharos head Weezing body
proud crane
Ampharos has wool it's just wearing a tight jumpsuit over it
tropic rampart
I've got a beldum. What fairy type do I mix it with.
odd ledge
Why a Fairy Type in specific?
near scarab
Steel Fairy is a nice type
hybrid cave
normal fairy, mr sey
short falcon
how does pichu evolve ? with friendship ?
copper briar
im pretty sure yea
short falcon
in normal games , yes , but in this one ?
short falcon
really helpfull
pallid ore
If it's not on the wiki, it'll evolve like in the main games
slate stream
Yes it evolves with friendship wich you can farm by tipping the cerulean clown 50+
left flume
you just have to keep tipping him over 50? you can dop it as many times as you like? or is it a once a day thing?
junior lily
you can tip him as many times you want
left flume
yeah but the friendship gain could happen only once a day
near scarab
A) tipping 100 is more cost effective
B) It is as much as you want per day
hidden bison
Hey oofun sorry to be a pain but you said you wanted to make some sprites for my emerald rom are you still doing those
I wanna know since I dont want to make anything that overlaps and fits the same roll as anyone else who helps out
near scarab
Ahh yeh I was finishing of my SciChomp line
And then was out the whole day
I may have a chance tommorow but not sure
near scarab
I wanna make the Squirtle line fused
I need to find something with similar body shape
Can I make Squirtad?
near scarab
Lotad
near scarab
You'll have to wait a while
hidden bison
Ight
near scarab
here ya go
near scarab
K thanks
hidden bison
No problem
ebon hawk
I’m doing a randomiser and found a beldum/weedle is that good? Or should I swap the fusion?
ebon hawk
Nah I made a rule I can’t change fusions I can only swap them
junior lily
the Beldum line is late or post game normally, so keep that and fuse it with a better mon
swap then
ebon hawk
To weedle/beldum?
junior lily
yeah Weedle face
ebon hawk
Ok
hidden bison
ight then
junior lily
hidden bison
oof
junior lily
although Steel poison has better resistances
hidden bison
thats actually a fat downgrade for regular metagross
junior lily
I steel think Weedle face is better
ebon hawk
When I mean swap I mean if I had totodile/cyndaquil and I want to swap it I swap it with each other so it’s cyndaquil/totodile but idk I just want to make it hard for myself 😛
ebon hawk
😮 makes sense thx for input
copper briar
np
hidden bison
Bruh
What's the point
If i get entei/weedle
And then rattata/gatchomp
WHY WOULD I KEEP THE RAT AND BUG
copper briar
for difficulty?
besides Raticate and garchomp and entei and beedrill
dont sound like the worst thing ever
near scarab
Yeh
near scarab
Atleast it isnt something like
hidden bison
When I can have bee and rat
copper briar
ack
ebon hawk
What nickname should I give the beldum/weedle
copper briar
hm
ebon hawk
Btw I agree with your username
copper briar
thx
ebon hawk
Np
copper briar
name it Beestroyer
he's a destroyer
but also
a bee
(once it evolves, of course)
copper briar
the best bee
well we all know who it is
Berry T. Benson is a good nickname
The T Stands for Terminator.
ebon hawk
@hidden bison I found a fusion of rat and bug
ebon hawk
i found a wild igglybuff/squirtle idk what to say
final kelp
Porygon and Kecleon Fusion: Conversion + Color Change, is that a good combo?
hidden bison
uh
whats the point of Conversion
if your type will change immediatly after getting hit
final kelp
won't it stack? Conversion = type 1, then color change type 2?
junior lily
no
it never worked like that
one of them triggers and changes your type(s) and then the second one triggers and does the same thing.
loud parrot
controvertial topic, what happens with the gardevoir's body when fused as the body account of its wierd anatomy
proud crane
it has legs
loud parrot
like combine the wierd discussion of Gardevoir's anatomy that we had a while ago with the properties of fusion from this game with gardevoir fusing as the body
loud parrot
yeah that shit
imagine fusing that rubbery bastard with something fuzzy and with actual flesh
copper briar
tangrowth makes the dress just, big vines
remote patrol
Is this thing any good?
odd ledge
Uhh... what is this from?
remote patrol
Pokemon.
odd ledge
-_-
remote patrol
Pikavipar has, apparently, pretty solid stats. But, uh... I'm not a numbers guy.
I'm more into the anime up to a point. So most of the finer details evade me.
odd ledge
It is fast and can hit decently hard, but it will die to a stiff breeze
remote patrol
Glass cannon, then?
odd ledge
basically
remote patrol
Assume it has all six of those Abilities.
As a constant.
Second verse same as the first?
odd ledge
It has a slight bit more survivability on the physical side due to Intimidate, but it will still get KO'd pretty easily. Especially to anything with Earth Power
remote patrol
Double weakness to ground does that. But it does have a LOT of immunities and resistances.
It's weak to Psychic and super weak to Ground, but it's resistant to Electric, Grass, Fighting, Poison, Flying, Bug, Steel, and Fairy.
That's not bad.
odd ledge
Really just the super weakness to ground is enough to decrease its usability a lot. It is a common attacking type
remote patrol
So it's... what, an unconventional glass cannon with some utility as a counter to stall tactics?
Like... a 7/10?
odd ledge
eh I dunno. really I'd need to really see it in action to get a feel of how it would play.
remote patrol
Is there a kind of Pokemon Colosseum style game, but for fusions?
odd ledge
I have no idea, but I am doubtful there is
hidden bison
Why is it so strong?
This thing is part pikachu
No reason for its stats to be so high
Well unless these are different from regular pokemon game base stats
remote patrol
I'm fusing Ash's Pikachu with Jessie's Arbok and Seviper.
Presumably, their stats would be higher.
hidden bison
No they wont
remote patrol
I mean, you say that. And then I remember those times Ash's Pikachu took on gods and think "wait a second, its stats would be ridiculous".
hidden bison
Or its just anime retardation
remote patrol
Ah, not a fan of the anime?
hidden bison
So much stuff is wrong in the anime
remote patrol
It's a different continuity. It's not wrong, it's just not the games.
remote patrol
Objectively, it can't be "wrong" because it wasn't designed with the games in mind. The games and anime were released at around the same time to serve as advertisements for each other.