fusions

[near scarab]

Sadly Galarian Wingull confirmed

[copper briar]

oh

lmfao

[jaunty briar]

Ok

[crude folio]

i'm looking for a good fusion for my hitmonchan

[odd ledge]

Good stat wise or look wise?

[crude folio]

stat

[haughty jay]

maybe with a good dark pokemon

[slate stream]

Stantler @crude folio

Hitmonchan head

[pallid ore]

Something with high defense as a body. Then give it iron fist and drain punch

[odd ledge]

Again Canned the meme won't work right. It will be Hitmonler

[copper briar]

just

let them dream

[cerulean vine]

Wrong chat oof

[hybrid cave]

we still got stanler

[copper briar]

stanlee*

[hybrid cave]

oof

[copper briar]

stan yee

[hybrid cave]

(packing up some suitcase to leave from my mistake)

[copper briar]

yes bye

[hybrid cave]

no mercy

q.q

[copper briar]

oh no

[hybrid cave]

didt knew that waterbirds are more on fire then the flames of hell

x)

[copper briar]

;>

i have no clue what your saying ;>

[hybrid cave]

yea pretend

[proud crane]

you're the waterbird (piplup)

[copper briar]

yes but how am i on fire?

i recall being on water

[hybrid cave]

cus u wanna see me burn

[copper briar]

hm

then your the one on fire

ignites

[hybrid cave]

fire that u created

REEE

[copper briar]

i fused myself with a fire type lul

[hybrid cave]

fire steel? fire water? fly fire?

[copper briar]

water fire

[hybrid cave]

(questions myself how i came up with fly)

i mean

sure ur a bird but

i dont recall u beeing a flying type

[copper briar]

im not flying type im a flightless bird

[hybrid cave]

XD

ur just a bird that does roost non stop

[copper briar]

flightless bird numero dos

[hybrid cave]

XD

doseph doestar

my god

thats a real bizare adventure there

[copper briar]

pretty menacing too

[hybrid cave]

joseph joestar

[copper briar]

no

doeseph

doestar

not joeseph joestar

lcose

close

but not.

im just gonna get water

[hybrid cave]

joseph joestar

jo jo bizare adventures

doseph doestar is just a after life

[proud crane]

joseph joestar and his stand, Smaller Joseph Joestar

[hybrid cave]

xD

chippy did u saw piplup post?

[proud crane]

which one

they have several

[hybrid cave]

doseph

[proud crane]

yes

Dio was jealous of Johnathan's high physical attack and defense stats, as well as his speed

[copper briar]

thing is i only care about jojo for the memes

[hybrid cave]

second season was kind of best season when it comes to humor though

[copper briar]

the way the camera is in a pokemon battle just reminds me of

dio vs jotaro i think

"oh, your approaching me?"

[proud crane]

Whereas Dio was already confident in his own special attacks and defenses, as well as his health

[copper briar]

oof

[pallid ore]

Is that a jojo wack reference

[copper briar]

lul

[proud crane]

it is not

[copper briar]

someone made this a bit ago

[hard yoke]

me 😋

[copper briar]

its very menacing

[hard yoke]

thx u too💝

[odd ledge]

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[copper briar]

[hybrid cave]

did not thought that rock fairy could be a thing

[pallid ore]

I always wondered if the Pepe "reeeeee" originated from JoJo's "wryyyy"

[nova sparrow]

it didnt

[hybrid cave]

63 hp 185def 153sp def with 83 sp attack as well

[nova sparrow]

that originated from a screaming from

frog

[copper briar]

Pepe's bizzare adventure

Peseph Pestar

[hybrid cave]

lol

does hustle boost special attack?

or how should i read ability boost?

[nova sparrow]

just attack i think

it's... not really worth

[copper briar]

hustle boots attack and lowers accuracy

[nova sparrow]

if you can get serene grace

[hybrid cave]

if its attack then not

if its special attack

would be fun to see on that fusion

[proud crane]

Atk +50%, physical attack accuracy -20%

[hybrid cave]

it does not say just attack

but ability bearers attack

wich can be readed different

[proud crane]

writed different too, apparently

[odd ledge]

No matter how it is written doesn't change that it only raises the physical attack stat.

[hybrid cave]

it does matter somehow XD

like

it can be missreaded

[proud crane]

a lot of abilities are worded ambiguously

[nova sparrow]

it really cant

it says

"raises attack"

(or ATK if you play in gen 3)

[hybrid cave]

ability bearer attack

[nova sparrow]

,

[hybrid cave]

and just attack

[nova sparrow]

lower's speed

[hybrid cave]

can lead to missunderstandings

[copper briar]

it would say special attak

[nova sparrow]

it would say both

[copper briar]

if it ment special attack

[nova sparrow]

even if it had to shorten them

if it meant both

[hybrid cave]

but arent the word ability mostly refered to special somehow?

[nova sparrow]

no

[odd ledge]

Misreading the ability doesn't change how it works either

[copper briar]

"Raises the users SAtk. and Atk. power, but lowers accuracy."

[hybrid cave]

not saying it works different then

m just saying wording correctly matters though xD

people might get wrong ideas if reading it wrong

[proud crane]

you mean if reading "attack" to mean "attack and maybe also special attack"

[odd ledge]

Then that is their fault for not knowing how it works after all this time

[hybrid cave]

or just a bad discription, i mean, ability doest refer to only physical attack neither though

[proud crane]

it says "the Attack stat"

[hybrid cave]

its says ability bearer attack

not just attack

[proud crane]

screenshot

[odd ledge]

It isn't a bad description it is exact as it can be

[copper briar]

the ability users attack by 50

attak

attack-

[odd ledge]

It is capitalized. That always means that specific statbro

[proud crane]

(1) that's not a pokémon game, that's something somebody wrote about a pokémon game

(2) given that pokémon have a stat specifically called "Attack", the only reasonable interpretation is that it refers to the attack stat.

[pallid ore]

That "-" is important

Ability-bearer aka the dude that has that ability

And what chippy said

But seriously, how are you supposed to use an ability as bad as this one

[hybrid cave]

for fusions like this? 🤔

[pallid ore]

With stuff like aerial ace?

[copper briar]

what is that things bst tho

like holy crap

[pallid ore]

And then you miss literally every move, great

[odd ledge]

You just need to hold an accuracy boostin item

[proud crane]

I had thought Togekiss gave Serene Grace as a head

[hybrid cave]

not every move stanley

[pallid ore]

I will not argue with you

[hybrid cave]

alot of move have actualy near 100 acuracy

the most move that dont have it

are the ones like going above 100 power

(most, not only'

[copper briar]

Alrighty, let me state EXACTLY what hustle will do.

[proud crane]

every move you'd actually be using would have 80% accuracy

[copper briar]

Hustle - the Pokemon with this ability's Attack Stat is increased by 50% and lowers accuracy of Physical Moves by 20%

wait

[hybrid cave]

yea but 80% is still alot for hits though

[proud crane]

it's a lot for misses too. I'd find an actual physical attacker to fuse with Slaking

[hybrid cave]

its not alot for misses though

not all moves have by base 100 acuracy

[copper briar]

fuse something like

[hybrid cave]

if u lower those even further

[copper briar]

idk dusknoir with slaking

[hybrid cave]

then yea sure u will miss alot

very offensive mon

xD

[copper briar]

oh wow it seems pretty good suprisingly

[hybrid cave]

yea

thought it attack stats will drop more

[copper briar]

uh lets see what else can we fuse with a slaking

[proud crane]

Nothing that bulky should be allowed to have 140 base attack

[hybrid cave]

scizor for sure

[pallid ore]

Everything

[hybrid cave]

due tactician

xD

[copper briar]

Technician isnt really good on something like a Slaking

[hybrid cave]

it is on bullet punch

[copper briar]

it already HAS Strong Moves.

it can just use Iron Head.

Metagross.

[proud crane]

a bit of priority might actually be nice

[copper briar]

try metagross

[hybrid cave]

dont forget u can run out of pp as well though

[copper briar]

you can run out of pp on bullet punch too

lol

[proud crane]

^unrealistic in basically all contexts

[copper briar]

it still can

[pallid ore]

How do people run out of pp in a normal fight

[hybrid cave]

but less fast i think xD

elite four?

[copper briar]

thats one bulky boye

[pallid ore]

You have 6 mons though

[copper briar]

if he had better sdef

[odd ledge]

Oh no running out of pp in a playthrough, not like the game gives you plenty of items that fix tgat

[hybrid cave]

special def is lower there though

[copper briar]

Metaking would be..

Meta

[proud crane]

ether is cheap as free

[hybrid cave]

what are u with 6 mons

if they all have only moves

with 5 pp?

x)

[copper briar]

then your a retard if you have a team like that

[proud crane]

stop making up imaginary edge cases of edge cases

[odd ledge]

Pp healing items are easy to get bro

[hybrid cave]

so is potions and pokeballs

does not change the fact that losing pp is annoying

[odd ledge]

Yeah that has literally no connection here

[proud crane]

also doesn't change the fact that losing pp is very nearly completely irrelevant and why are you still talking about it

it's an absolutely vestigial part of this game

[hybrid cave]

well it is annoying if u cant go back to pokecenter

[proud crane]

which you can

[hybrid cave]

elite four basicaly

nope

once u enter u cant go back

xD

[proud crane]

If you're fighting the elite four you have elixirs

I already said that once

[odd ledge]

Again ether/elixer exist

[proud crane]

why are you pretending pp means ANYTHING AT ALL

[hybrid cave]

so as u have potions

it does mean something, not everything js

[odd ledge]

It means nothing

[hybrid cave]

i mean u cant deal dmg with a move u cant even use

[copper briar]

yo can we end this convo with hustle is ass

and just stop there

[hybrid cave]

hustle is actualy okey

[copper briar]

no it isnt-

[hybrid cave]

not the best but the worst neither

[proud crane]

stop talking about pp and hustle

that wasn't a suggestion

[pallid ore]

Thanos is here, run

[hybrid cave]

there was this one trainer in a cave

that did first move to let me repeat a move

[odd ledge]

Aye mod man finally releases 1% of his power lol

[hybrid cave]

then disable that move after it

i was stuck with struggle on turn 3 xD

[copper briar]

shaggy-chippy used 1% of his power

;o

[hybrid cave]

thought pokemon was even jigglypuf or something similar

[proud crane]

wat

[hybrid cave]

u can use 2 moves and make enemy not beeing able to do any move xD

[copper briar]

he's talking about pp

:O

ban him

[hybrid cave]

its not bout pp

its bout 2 moves disabling me for using a move

thats a different story

[proud crane]

bluh bluh

the encore-disable combo doesn't sound great

[hybrid cave]

that yea

it is kind of if enemy can attack first

lol

well thats a yea no situation i guess

[copper briar]

why do you have the brain of 8 year old

._.

[hybrid cave]

why do u have to let ur feelings get inside a convo like someone immature and talk others bout age? 🤔

[copper briar]

because humans have feelings? 🤔

[hybrid cave]

like, what will insulting accomplish?

[proud crane]

piplup, go ahead and come up with a way to say what you meant there that isn't unacceptable

[copper briar]

why do you think every dumb stratagy is good

[hybrid cave]

i think its only dumb when u dont know how to use it though, i mean sure if u gonna base on moves set with 100 power but base 80acuracy and lower there another 20% acuracy wont be a good idea

[copper briar]

hustle is power but lowers your accuracy

low accuracy moves arent that good of an idea

I mean sure they CAN be raw power

but what if you miss and faint?

what if that causes the battle to be lost?

[pallid ore]

🍿

[copper briar]

fair

[hybrid cave]

but 80% acuracy doest mean -100%, its fairly high enough to hit often enough with more dmg

i just asume it depends on what moves u gonna rely on

[copper briar]

But you have that chance of missing which really hinders you

[hybrid cave]

its only -20%

if u dont have low base acuracy moves

its fairly

[copper briar]

100 - 20 = 80, 80 < 100

20 lower is pretty rough

[proud crane]

the reason -20% accuracy is considered Very Bad is because it's the difference between a move that always hits and a move that might not do anything

[hybrid cave]

but u need to hit less to get one down, so i do believe its fair

[copper briar]

Something like metagross/slaking already hits hard enough

[hybrid cave]

it will only mean if it wont miss wil just hit harder xD

[copper briar]

,_,

👀

[hybrid cave]

also, hustle comes from togekiss

so yea u cant have that on that fusion

xD

[copper briar]

unless you choose truant

[proud crane]

Togekiss drops slaking's attack enough that the damage boost from Hustle is probably needed to function on the same level as other slaking fusions

[copper briar]

togeking just isnt worth it

[proud crane]

the main problem being that other slaking fusions have better accuracy

[copper briar]

then again maybe im thinking too hard about this

with pokemon showdown pinned on my taskbar

[pallid ore]

Guys I solved your problem
Togekiss/Dusknoir with aerial ace, shadow punch and feint attack

Still trash ability

[copper briar]

BIG BRAIN TIME

:galaxybrain:

i know clyde

[proud crane]

take pressure over hustle to stall out your enemy's pp

[pallid ore]

but pps don't matter

I'm out

[hybrid cave]

it does if someone use moves like protect though :v

[copper briar]

commit s t r u g g l e

[hybrid cave]

xD

[copper briar]

protect toxic roost

pressure

[hybrid cave]

roost is also good to lose flying type for pfew round(s)

pressure with protect 🤔

[copper briar]

what if we make a flying/flying type so he only looses 1 flying type

[hybrid cave]

wait

[copper briar]

and he always has a ground immunity

[hybrid cave]

will that become nothing?

[proud crane]

yep

[copper briar]

i mean yea

[pallid ore]

It literally implodes into non existance

[hybrid cave]

do we have a calculation system for pokemons with no element?

[proud crane]

yes

[pallid ore]

Bruh

[proud crane]

it's 1x

[odd ledge]

It is what happens when Tornadus uses Roost

[copper briar]

weak to nothing

immune to nothing

resists nothing

[hybrid cave]

(or imuun to everything since no such thing exist and system dunno how to read it and decide to crash the game)

[odd ledge]

Again it does exist

[proud crane]

I don't know if anyone's tried that in this game engine

[copper briar]

???-type

[odd ledge]

It happens to Tornadus

[proud crane]

Pokémon Essentials might choke on it, but I feel like it would more likely just read it as neutral to everything

[hybrid cave]

what if it takes the element of zapmolticuno? XD

[copper briar]

it wouldnt

[hybrid cave]

well that element does not appear either so yea

despite it exist

just saying that, if it had to happen in if, it would not surprise me somehow xD, not saying it does happen as idk

[proud crane]

I feel like my Dio/Johnathan Joestar fusion joke wen underappreciated

[pallid ore]

Wait, when was that, did I miss that

[hybrid cave]

its not u missed it

he just used skip time

u already seen it without beeing aware u saw it

[hybrid cave]

basicaly

dio has no hp

he has spellvamp

dio is basicaly a shuckle with leechseed XD

[pallid ore]

You actually managed to get it even less than me, congrats

[proud crane]

Dio is the head
johnathan is the body

it's like that game, pokemon infinite fusion: shuckle is unbreakable

[pallid ore]

Don't think I ever played that, sorry

[hybrid cave]

XD

pokemon bizare adventure

shuckle used DA WORLDO

(or whatever it was)

[pallid ore]

Za warudo

[proud crane]

Dio used Spikes!
Two seconds have passed.

Dio used Spikes!
Three seconds have passed.

Dio used Spikes!
Four seconds have passed!

[hybrid cave]

let the leech seed battle begin

[proud crane]

Leech Seed on shuckle is UGLY

[hybrid cave]

why? cause more pokemons have higher hp but less def stats as shuckle? 🤔

[proud crane]

yes

[hybrid cave]

xD

though 73hp with 195def aint zubat

u can go also like

sturdy

and protect

right?

XD

(leech seed to max hp so u can do another move)

[proud crane]

shuckle head for that

I hadn't even thought of abusing Sturdy like that

[hybrid cave]

lol

[proud crane]

with low enough hp, leech seed, leftovers, and protect, even those glaring weaknesses stop being so scary

[hybrid cave]

lol

(what if i told u, only stupid people like me think of such things)

[scarlet heron]

bruh u genious

OMG

THATS THE UGLIEST THIS

THING

ZUBAT HEAD

GRIMER BODY

WAIT OTHER WAY

GRIMER HEAD

ZUBAT BODY

i-its h-hideous

[lost wyvern]

might do Dusknoir/Rhyperior, typing kinda ehh tho (ghost/rock)

[lost wyvern]

.. lugia/dusknoir 🤔
86 HP
97 ATK
133 DEF
82 SPATK
148 SPDEF
67 SPD

psychic/ghost

kinda lacking in attack and hp but

[summer mantle]

doing a full randomized run, got a slowpoke eevee as my starter. should be an intresting run

And... 3 seconds in and i am already having a massive problem. slowvee has no attack moves

[odd ledge]

oof

guess you gotta last until you get DNA splicers

or pokeballs

[summer mantle]

curse, yawn, sand attack, and growl. if it wernt for the lack of attacking, it would be a decent early stall set lmao

looks like i found my number 2 slot.

[odd ledge]

Yeah honestly Mankey makes for some decent fusions, though you may wanna get it fused with something else as it isn't gonna make for a good head

like fuse it with eevee or slowpoke with one of those as the head instead if possible

[near scarab]

So

Croveon

Crobat - Umbreon

Is it good

[copper briar]

no it sucks ass

umbreon makes a horrible body and crobat makes a horrible head

[pallid ore]

Reverse it

[copper briar]

^

[near scarab]

But then we don't have that poison dark typing

[copper briar]

Well too bad

[pallid ore]

Do you know how the stats work oofun?

[near scarab]

Ik how the stats work

[copper briar]

The bodies Physical stats and speed are 2/3 and the other third is from the head
The heads Special stats and Hp are 2/3 and the other third is from the body

[near scarab]

Mkay

[copper briar]

Umbreon should REALLY be the head

the type might not be as good but

hey it wont suck

[near scarab]

Wait

The poison won't even do anything

I don't get good poison stab until crobay

Crobat

Ok I'll reverse it

[copper briar]

you still get the luxury of poison type moves

like crobat gets cross poison and sludge bomb

[near scarab]

The luxray?

Also I have a massive problem

I have nothing to take on brock

[wary sorrel]

secret garden

[near scarab]

Well I'll have to over level quilava and eeveebat

[wary sorrel]

get a ralts

[copper briar]

Luxury is uh

a real word

[near scarab]

Ik

I thought you said Luxray

And I'm like

what

[copper briar]

Thing about crobat is its high speed, so fusing it with a special attacker, Like Gardevoir will make a really good mixed attacker.

[near scarab]

Hmmm

Lemme think

Gardephlosion

Nah

I don't want to use ralts

But other wise I cannot beat brock

[copper briar]

fusing 2 of the same attackers isnt a good idea unless the base attack goes up

compared to the 2 attackers

say, one has 100 and the other has 95, you gotta hope you get a little more than 100

or else there isnt a point.

[pallid ore]

I wouldn't say that's true, tbh
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your post

[wary sorrel]

Gardebat is very good im using it and is doing a great job

[near scarab]

Grrr

Idk what to fuse anything with

In my previous run I was doing very well but now I'm not sure

[pallid ore]

Tangela body is decent for brock as long as you get rid of his first pkmn

[near scarab]

Also where can I get beldum

[pallid ore]

Postgame

[near scarab]

Dang

Can I not get an water types?

[pallid ore]

Poliwag i think

[near scarab]

How?

[pallid ore]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/197ErEK4hrg6OLmzOECCHmj3Gc3_9Jsvc

I just remember someone saying that there are poliwags, I never encountered one myself I think

[near scarab]

Ugh

Ralts show urself

So I can fuse u with Tangela

[pallid ore]

LandNight
HOOTHOOT,2,5,35,
ZUBAT,2,5,10,
RATTATA,2,5,45,
POLIWAG,4,5,5,
WEEDLE,4,5,5

On route 2

[near scarab]

Imma grind to lvl 18 now bai guys

[odd ledge]

Oh just in case you don't know. Ralts is a 1% encounter and it only shows up during the day

[wary sorrel]

oh god

[odd ledge]

How dare you make me see this with my own eyes

[wintry pumice]

please make phineas a finneon

[outer lagoon]

💯

[cerulean vine]

quacke

[nova sparrow]

:(

[wintry pumice]

I love you

[normal vault]

gardebat doesn't need to be mixed

since crabat itself could be special with nasty plot

[cerulean vine]

hard choice tbh
orb sun catto vs ressurection nugget

[nova sparrow]

nugit

[near scarab]

Togevire

Is this a good fusion

Togevire

[copper briar]

what is it a fusion of

[near scarab]

And if so where to get the shiny stone

Togekiss/Electivire

[copper briar]

uhhh

maybe???

[near scarab]

Wdym maybe

[copper briar]

it might not be that good

[near scarab]

Electivire specialized in attack

While togekiss in spattack

[copper briar]

You dont want every pokemon to be a mixed attacker..

Physical pokemon can learn moves beneficial to special attackers, and vice-versa

[near scarab]

I don't really have any mixed attackers

[copper briar]

oh

Whats your current team?

[near scarab]

I have a fast tank/ sorta attack with Umbreon/Crobat

A Quilava

And Smearligatr

[copper briar]

why havent you fused quilava yet

._.

[near scarab]

Haven't found anything to fuse it with
._.

[copper briar]

Typhlosion would make more sense with electivire than Togekiss to me

[near scarab]

Typhlosion head right?

[copper briar]

ye

[near scarab]

Mkay

Just asking since I haven't hatched my elekid yet

[copper briar]

righty

togekiss has alot of variety in moves, specifically special attacks

so you might wanna use it to make a special attacker alot more useful.

[near scarab]

Togar

But I already have a flying type

So Togekiss needs to be my head

[copper briar]

i mean

if you can fuse it with something

that has a higher special attack than it

then it might get a little buff

[near scarab]

Togengar?

[copper briar]

Togekiss and gengar?

i mean, it could be pretty good

[near scarab]

Whet is the shiny stone

[proud crane]

Lavender Town Stone Maniac between 8am and 9am

[crude folio]

or els after silph co. in safron city forgot what house

[summer mantle]

Terrible fusion, but still adorable

[loud parrot]

so...

this dog is tall...

[summer mantle]

how good would mamoswine electravire be?

[loud parrot]

fusion calculator gone, but I'd assume pretty good

[hidden bison]

Mamoswine/Electavire

and this is the other way around

[loud parrot]

you get an electric immunity anyways

[summer mantle]

so a pretty decent physical beater with some nice type coverage. i am going with swinub head and elekid body right now

my starter btw

just wondered if id need to switch my starter out later, but that looks alright

[loud parrot]

was elekid the starter?

[summer mantle]

no swinub head and elekid body starter

[loud parrot]

oh

[summer mantle]

wow, blissey nidoking is suprisingly good.

almost brings it up to psudo-legendary status

Found my number 2 slot

[junior lily]

the only thing that would've made it better would be if it was a Normal/Poison instead of a Normal/Ground.

[summer mantle]

I actually like normal ground better for that stab earthquake

[summer mantle]

good point

[junior lily]

Nidoking/Blissey has the worst stats out of the 2. What can you do.

[summer mantle]

btw, how does friendship work on fused pokemon?

[junior lily]

like on normal mons

[chrome terrace]

[summer mantle]

i was talking about starting happiness

[nova sparrow]

stuff like ivs and friendship comes from the bottom mon\

the top is generated randomly once unfused

[summer mantle]

Ahh, alright

[nova sparrow]

:)

[summer mantle]

thanks m8

[nova sparrow]

yw

[junior lily]

so you could have a max Friendship mon, fuse friendship mons as the face, level it up once and have it evolve?

[nova sparrow]

possibly

[junior lily]

I will have to test that out at some point

it would be amazing, if that's the case

[near scarab]

Ohyh that does work

I just fused quilava with togepi to get a togetic and then defuse

[junior lily]

nice

[junior lily]

Since there are barely any Fairy-type moves in the game, does that make Dark/Ghost-types with Wonder Guard like Absol/Shedinja super OP?

I should definitely make one and defeat the E4 with a level 1 Absol/Shedinja

[copper briar]

if you can make something with good stats

blissinja

[junior lily]

yeah, but Dark is common

Fairy not so much

[loud parrot]

dark is neutral

[junior lily]

on Blissey/Shedinja?

[loud parrot]

oh, thought you meant abinja

[junior lily]

Piplup mentioned it

[loud parrot]

oh, right...

[junior lily]

why would it even need a lot pf HP from Blissey, if it doesn't get hit?

for a Wonder Guard mon, Atk and Speed is all that matter.
in this case Speed doesn't matter, because it won't get hit

Fairy attacks are too uncommon to matter

Wonder Guard mons always have 1 HP, so Blissey is not that good for a Normal/Ghost WG mon.

the best one would probably be Slaking/Shedinja

if you go for special attack, Houndoom is the best face. too bad that it has better Atk then Sp Atk that way too.

[copper briar]

alakazam

lul

[junior lily]

yeah and have 2 pretty common weaknesses instead of basically 0?

[copper briar]

just get a teammate that resists

[junior lily]

like Weezing/Tyranitar with Levitate?

I wanna build a team with mons that have the least amount of weaknesses

[haughty jay]

@junior lily try snorlax/armaldo to, have few weakness and is very strong

[junior lily]

lol
just because you asked, I'll try it.

[near scarab]

Water ground type

and if you can get sap sipper then nice one

Erm

[junior lily]

that won't be possible until Secret Capsules are implemented

because you need Azumarill's HA

[near scarab]

I spent waaaaay

Too long doing all of the hotel quests up to vermillion

And still have to do the voltorb one

[junior lily]

I hope that Rotom or Eelektross get added to the game, so we can have levitate on Electric-types

[copper briar]

rotom will be eventually

plus rotom fusions are

gonna look really cool

[copper briar]

how do people make those

fusion tournaments

[vivid ember]

y so silent

[lunar badge]

so I'm finally done swapping the game's sprites for the new generator's.

Some of these new sprites are just... i don't even know man lol

😂

[fathom venture]

lol!

[hybrid cave]

lol

[strange ermine]

@lunar badge are the new sprites the ones from custom sprite packs 1-8? I just downloaded this game for the first time, and was a little unsure of what was included in the full 4.4 game

[lunar badge]

no, these are generated sprites. 4.4 includes a few of the earlier sprite packs. I'm not sure which ones exactly, but 1-8 sounds about right

[strange ermine]

Thanks!

[robust crater]

pretty neat fusion

[robust crater]

heh

[chrome terrace]

ay' dude

[summer mantle]

a match made in heaven

[proud crane]

gloopy friend

[crude folio]

it's a ditto that couldn't copy the face right

[summer mantle]

My idea is its just a normal ditto that fell into a volcano and decided to stay there

Dittos log, day 95: They still suspect nothing, think im a shiny magcargo.

Not gonna lie, first chance i get im fusing arceus and ditto

mostly because i think thats the best stat total a ditto can possibly have

could be wrong

[copper briar]

fuse blissey with ditto ; v

[summer mantle]

Still less

about 25+ bst

hope thisgame gets up with pvp at some point, i think pvp would be fantastic

[proud crane]

the only problem with BST on a ditto is that most of it is wasted. HP is the only thing kept after transforming, so the top tier ditto has traditionally been Blissey/Ditto (or Chansey/Ditto with Eviolite)

[tepid sable]

Why did they change the generator honestly lol
I liked it better when it just changed faces and colors
Now half of the things created are abominations

[chrome terrace]

its a different generator

japeal is a different new one

alexonsager is the original

[proud crane]

he means "why did japeal change their generator"

[craggy olive]

Honestly some of these sprites have the potential to be really cool if they were edited a bit

i might start dicking around with the generator and see if I come up with any cool concepts

[violet field]

I've also used the Japeal one to just change the colour bases of a pokemon to match that of the thing I'm fusing it with

[haughty jay]

wich nature is better? adamant or jolly?

[violet field]

I think it'd need the speed IMO, unless you got Wonder Guard, in which case literally none of your stats matter except Attack and your own ability to switch out the moment fairies show up

:p

[haughty jay]

well i can always use sword dance

he have wonder guard

[violet field]

Then again that's a move slot, and it might be nice to have some kind of coverage vs. the grass and bug mons who like to use poisonpowder and whatnot

(Or a psycho cut to deter any stray poison types, if you've got goggles on them or something)

[sudden orchid]

we can win, if we do it together

[hard yoke]

👫👭👫👫👬

[hybrid cave]

XD

[rapid sandal]

sorry mama

[haughty jay]

started another run XD an eventually blastoise/nidoqueen fusion for start could be good^?

[near scarab]

Maybe

[haughty jay]

eventually i defuse him and i fuse with another better

[hidden bison]

well Blastoise/Nidoqueen will be Water/Ground

which is a great type combo

[haughty jay]

yes type is good, stats in average

[loud parrot]

or poison/water

[hidden bison]

Wouldn't nidoking be better

[hybrid cave]

kinda thinking of the type poison steel somehow

ill check the weakness

its actualy good if u do it with weezing for levitate lol

[haughty jay]

yeah i have fused weezing with metagross

[hybrid cave]

if metal plate only worked on arceus

xD

[robust crater]

pkmn.help
here's the best site for finding out type weaknesses and strengths

[hybrid cave]

what part of mr mime u need for filther?

like does it have to be head or body

i furgot

[near scarab]

Head

[haughty jay]

guys i think to will fuse butterfree with a good pokemon , for be able to use the Compound Eyes skill, and then use the quiver dance move

maybe with an electric pokemon for use thunder

any suggestions?

[loud parrot]

raichu

[haughty jay]

or maybe jolteon?

[proud crane]

Jolteon has better stats all around than Raichu, Would also recommend Magnezone for high Def, or Zapdos if you can get it.

[fair shore]

I'm using this with butterfree

I would have used a magmortar head instead but it only learns heat wave by tutoring and the tutor is gone

[proud crane]

looks good to me

[junior lily]

it depends which way Butterfree keeps Compound Eyes

[wicked zodiac]

Use a super splicer?

[junior lily]

Butterfree/Magnezone(Bug/Electric) if Butterfree's face gives Compound Eyes
Zapdos/Butterfree(Electric/Flying) if Butterfree's body gives Compound Eyes

Jolteon is also a pretty good choice depending where in the game you're at.

tbh Butterfree doesn't have the greatest stats
since you're not playing randomized, any Electric-type is fine until you find a better one.

[near scarab]

Also Zapdos always has electrix

Oh wait

[haughty jay]

well butterfree head on magnezone body line evo could look very weird lol

i am at viridian forest

[chrome terrace]

mammuth

[haughty jay]

yes?

[chrome terrace]

i saw you on reddit

at /r/all/new

[haughty jay]

oh ok .D

😄

[chrome terrace]

and since within about 5 minutes, /new is completely filled with new posts
so thats a very small chance

[haughty jay]

Well, luck exists then hehe

@junior lily yeah i know butterfree dont have good stats, but i will try this just for his ability, then if I don't feel good with him, I change him with a high one

[junior lily]

lol
I meant to say that since Butterfree has low stats, then any Electric-type is ok

[haughty jay]

ok 😄

[near scarab]

What about electrivire?

[haughty jay]

nah electivire is for physical attack

[near scarab]

Eh

Personally i'd just fuse machamp

Higher stats

And No Guard> Compund eyes

[junior lily]

never mind

Butterfree only has Compound Eyes

[hidden bison]

Machamp only gives No-Guard as a head

and that will impact special attack

[haughty jay]

it was also thought to want a machamp to be fused with someone

not with butterfree

[hidden bison]

well generally speaking you dont have to use butterfree as the body in a fusion

since it will give Compoundeyes either way

and you dont rly have to go for a special build

altho Quiver Dance is very good

[junior lily]

Venonat loses Compound Eyes when it evolves. that's so stupid.

[near scarab]

I mean

[haughty jay]

yes I know, I don't know if I make it become a bug / electric that has a good tipyng anyway

[near scarab]

Caterchu line could work

Caterchu

Metachu

Metachu

Butterchu

Butterchu

[hidden bison]

why are you writing all of them

lol

[haughty jay]

ahahha

better jolteon

[near scarab]

Coz Imma butterchu

Imma butterchu up like my bread

[haughty jay]

oofun you want to see a butterchu lol, confesses

[near scarab]

Ok those stats are not that gfod

[haughty jay]

more beter jolteon lol

[hidden bison]

butterfree murders the stats of most things its fused with

[near scarab]

@hidden bisonWhat about beedrill

[hidden bison]

that would be pretty sad

Butterdrill is decent

but Beefree is terrible

look at it

[near scarab]

Yes but he wants to beefree

[haughty jay]

omg

[haughty jay]

very terrible

[hidden bison]

mind you Butterfree and Beedrill dont even have 400 bst

Butterdrill has more BST than either of them

[haughty jay]

maybe just beauty to see esthetically

but not good to fight

[hidden bison]

thats the reason fusions with Butterfree tend to have bad stats

but well they are usable either way

[haughty jay]

all this just for his ability lol

[hidden bison]

this is what i used recently

[junior lily]

it doesn't have a custom sprite yet(as far as I know), but Rhyperior/Machamp could be good with Rhyperior's ability

[hidden bison]

it lowerd Dragonite's bst by 95

but its a decent mon

[near scarab]

Can you please show me sunkern azurill

Or azurill sunkern

The one with the lower bst

Because they are the lowest bst in the mons we have

[junior lily]

Since Ground/Fighting doesn't have any 4x weaknesses, Solid Rock could be pretty good on it

[haughty jay]

this is right

and i love both pokemons

[haughty jay]

and how is another good pokemon to fuse with rhyperior for use solid rock?

[near scarab]

I mean

No guard seems better

Due to Dynamic Edge

Wait

[hidden bison]

Dynamic Punch

[near scarab]

And stone edge

Dynamic Edge

[haughty jay]

ok maybe i have to fuse machamp with another rock pokemon for use no guard

then i fuse rhyperior with another pokemon for use solid rock

[hidden bison]

btw

my recommendation

for ele type

with Butterfree

[haughty jay]

mhh ok

this is a little more solid

[junior lily]

never mind
I would have to look through all the mons available in game

[hidden bison]

its not all that fast

[near scarab]

Butterzone

[hidden bison]

but with Quiver dance that does not matter

[near scarab]

A vegan's nightmare

[hidden bison]

its Bulkier than the Jolteon version

[haughty jay]

is right

then i can use sleep powder

so i can sweep

quiver dance, sleep powder, bug buzz and thunder

[hidden bison]

👍

and well this

Zapdos

but Zapdos is pretty hard to get

[haughty jay]

and for aesthetically .. could be interesting to look at lol

yes zapdos is a bad guy

now for machamp i have to look a good rock type to fuse for use no guard with dynamic punch and stone edge

or maybe with another poke type for better types combos

[hidden bison]

lol

you can go for Machamp/Lucario

for that nice Mario

[haughty jay]

lol

then luigi XD

[junior lily]

@haughty jay

here are my suggestions for Rhyperior face with Solid Rock

[haughty jay]

good thanks

[junior lily]

Arcanine is also an option for Ground/Fire

it get's Extreme Speed, so that's nice

[haughty jay]

is true

[rapid sandal]

dont do that

[robust crater]

just a nice comfy mattress

[junior lily]

this could really do the death roll

[copper briar]

that matress looks cozy

may i take a rest on it

[junior lily]

Feraligatr might be one of the few mons that would look ok with the Mawile "face"

[junior lily]

it's funny how you can fuse 2 Bug-types and not get a Bug-type

[cerulean vine]

I was checking out the size of my fusions compared to the average human being height

pich-oh is taller than me

[nova sparrow]

big

[loud parrot]

fusion height is wierd

one moment, you have a tiny fusion, then all of a sudden that pokemon becomes taller than you are irl

how does height work with them?

[cerulean vine]

i just average the size of the mons

[nova sparrow]

is

is the rattatop

is it really just a boy

with ah at

:(

[cerulean vine]

it's not a boy

he's an average kid

that no one understands

i find it amuzing that mike wazowski's size is probably accurate to the actual character

[loud parrot]

it actually looks like you can just throw him like a bowling ball though

[cerulean vine]

also doorb is pretty big too

wouldn't expect it to be this size

[hybrid cave]

its not big, its just very close to the camera

[cerulean vine]

its big

for a bird anyways

he's only slightly smaller than your average timmy turner

wait no

he's bigger than timmy turner

another unexpected big boy

[robust crater]

what should I fuse with snorlax

nevermind I've got a fusion idea

new question
what should I fuse skarmory with

[rapid sandal]

skarmory/rapidash

would be pretty cool

@robust crater

[stiff sorrel]

@cerulean vine you're not counting up the pokemon sizes and dividing by 2?

[cerulean vine]

I am

Size of mon 1 + size of mon 2, divide result by 2

[rapid sandal]

that's an average indeed

[wheat flume]

It depends on how you put in the calculator

mon1 + mon2 / 2 would be wrong

mon1 + mon2 and divide the result of that by 2 would be right

[hidden bison]

your thoughts about a Flareon(head) and rhyperior(body) fusion?

[loud parrot]

fire/rock

not bad

[copper briar]

but flareon is ass

which is bad

[odd ledge]

you are gonna sacrifice quite a bit of HP, Attack will still fantastic, Defense is still great, SpAttack is kinda meh, SpDef is usable, Speed is still garbage. Fire/Rock isn't a great defensive typing. So overall it isn't terrible, but there are likely much better choices for fusions for these two.

[hidden bison]

yeah I never really liked flareon but I kinda need a fire type in my team. and I am playing a randomizer nuzlocke so I take what I can

[copper briar]

fuse ho-oh with rhyperior instead of flareon

[hidden bison]

what type combinations would you recommend for rhyperior and flareon

[nova sparrow]

not using flareon

[odd ledge]

It wholly depends on what you want this thing to do really. If you want it as a hard hitter, this will do it just fine as both Fire and Rock are great offensive types. It just won't be able to make great use of its defenses.

[pallid ore]

I mean, what else do you have for fusion material? It's a nuzlocke right? So you have a pool of pkmn left?

[hidden bison]

I mean there aren't any good type combinations for fire and rock that give a great defensive coverage or am I missing something. so I might as well make it a hard hitter

[pallid ore]

Do you have to fuse those two?

[hidden bison]

yes

[pallid ore]

Well, yeah flareon head then

[hidden bison]

i also have teddyursa, Tauros, treecko, flaaffy and weevil that I could fuse

[near scarab]

Ooh

Scepterior

Seems good

[pallid ore]

Rhyperior/Tauros is alright as well

[loud parrot]

was just gonna ask the other guy if they were doing a spriter hell

Flarerior doesn't have a sprite, which made me think such

[hybrid cave]

can wailord even be used in stadium?

or is he too big?

[haughty jay]

guys a good fusion with crobat?

[hidden bison]

I was thinking about fusing Ampharos/Crobat with crobat as the body as I lack both an electric and a flying type in my team right now

well you could fuse it with Parasect or Exeggutor

since both get acess to Spore

with Crobat's speed it would be quite nice

Exeggutor only gets Spore via TM tho

[copper briar]

gardevoir makes a pretty nice head with crobat

[haughty jay]

but gardevoir is just in postgame

[copper briar]

no???

you can get ralts in the secret garden

[haughty jay]

oh i see ok

[copper briar]

[loud parrot]

very rare, but worth it

[near scarab]

Or even Umbreon/Crobat

[junior lily]

isn't Ralts a 1% chance in the Secret Garden?

[loud parrot]

1% in the day

either way it makes for some good fusion designs

[junior lily]

Parasect/Crobat isn't bad

[copper briar]

its not bad

its REALLY bad

[loud parrot]

gotta remember spore and swords dance though

[copper briar]

meh

pokemon have the ability to wake up

[loud parrot]

at that point you might as well have at least one swords dance up

[copper briar]

pokemon with insomnia: 👁

[loud parrot]

fuck

[junior lily]

yeah, the 7 Insomnia mons in the game

[nova sparrow]

oh no, not noctowl

uwu owo uwu

[copper briar]

theres way more than 7

what do you mean

[loud parrot]

human trafficing

[junior lily]

this is a playthrough mon, not a mon you would use in competitive

[nova sparrow]

bruh

[loud parrot]

even then, spore is annoying to deal with

[junior lily]

there are more in Infinite Fusion?

[copper briar]

fusions:

👁

[nova sparrow]

that's every pokemon with insomnia as a regular ability

the hhidden ability ones are delibird and that stupid ghost pumpkin

[junior lily]

yeah, but where would you fight a HA Delibird?

ok, there are 8, but still 8 out of 315 is not much especially when fusions can only get the ability when they're fused a certain way + there's a chance that the fusions might have the other mon's ability.

[nova sparrow]

nowhere basically

[loud parrot]

I'd see the only one of those being used by any player is hypno, unless there was a situation or theme going on

[junior lily]

almost forgot about Vital Spirit

[loud parrot]

cross off vigoroth

[copper briar]

isnt vigoroth in the game?

[loud parrot]

just slaking

[copper briar]

._.

nani

[junior lily]

lol
sorry

forgot that it wasn't in the game

[loud parrot]

remember, most lines only have the final evos in the game

lucario and slaking are some of them

[junior lily]

Poor Delibird
getting 2 abilities that do that same thing

[haughty jay]

venomoth can learn spore^?

because I thought of merging houndoom with venomoth, so it would become dark / poison, good special attack and also learn quiver dance

[junior lily]

sadly no

I don't think so unless IF made it able to learn it via TM

[haughty jay]

yeah i mean can learn spore by tm?

[junior lily]

idk.

I don't have it

does anyone have a list of which new/IF-exclusive TMs are compatible with which mons?

[hidden bison]

Should I get a farfetched fusion for the fun of it

[pallid ore]

^ list of TMS + who can learn them

@haughty jay
SPORE] PARAS, PARASECT, MEW, ODDISH, GLOOM, VILEPLUME, BELLOSSOM, BELLSPROUT, WEEPINBELL, VICTREEBEL, EXEGGCUTE, EXEGGUTOR, TANGELA, TANGROWTH, MAREEP, FLAAFFY, AMPHAROS, HOPPIP, SKIPLOOM, JUMPLUFF,

[hidden bison]

were can find these stats of fused pokemon?

[haughty jay]

@pallid ore ok thanks

[junior lily]

there's preview tool in the pinned comments

the Mareep line with Spore seems kinda out of place

[copper briar]

cotton spore??

lol

[haughty jay]

well now I'm undecided, my current team is: wartortle / nidoqueen, magnemite and butterfree .. initially I wanted to melt butterfree with magnemite, but now I'm thinking of defusing wartortle / nidoqueen and then melting wartortle with magnemite, it would be a water / steel pretty good , and possibly butterfree merges with jolteon

[hidden bison]

That's cool and all but have you considered the best boi

Weedle

[nova sparrow]

weewee

dledle

[near scarab]

Magnemite needs to be head to have the steel type

[haughty jay]

@near scarab yes i know this

[near scarab]

Oh ok

And don't ping me

[hidden bison]

i want to try out cloyster as I never had one before in any Pokemon game. what type combination do you suggest for it? Any specific cloyster fusions that worked well for you guys?

[copper briar]

i mean, cloyster can learn shell smash

so if you have a pokemon that can go well with high phys attack as the body

then

you might as well

[hidden bison]

i have a dratini in my pc, should I just go for it?

[near scarab]

Probs