fusions

[odd ledge]

Wobbe isn't fairy

[robust crater]

oh yea, you right
but you get the point

[loud parrot]

ok, so I choose fusions based on stats, and neither of those 2 result into anything you can call great

[odd ledge]

That is fair

[loud parrot]

I mean clefable is situational at beast

and I would mention gardevoir, but it's so late game or never in any randomized areas for me

[odd ledge]

Really? I get Ralts WAY too often

randomized that is

[loud parrot]

I never find ralts anywhere

[odd ledge]

oof

[loud parrot]

I only lucked out with finding a gardevoir in my last playthrough, but I had a togekiss/flareon already

so I just used it for the psychic typing, kicked ass though

[odd ledge]

Oh yeah Gardevoir is a total beast

[loud parrot]

especially when fused with a mismagius body and it's just the goddess of destruction

too bad it doesn't have a sprite, just a drawing I did a bit ago

[pallid ore]

yo, granbull is actually pretty good

[robust crater]

^

[unique hawk]

@loud parrot : I'd love to see a custom for that too, and maybe the reverse as well. 😃

WHAT THE CRAP?!

...oh my god, Wild Togepies. This game just took a very unexpected turn. XD

[unique hawk]

So like, this about about worst-case scenario, right?

[robust crater]

nah early game dragons shouldn't be that bad

[ocean dock]

Dragon rage is the one that does 40 damage if it hits right?

[unique hawk]

Yup.

[robust crater]

yep
but chances are they won't have it

[unique hawk]

Well, here's to hoping!

[ocean dock]

Beat of luck

[odd ledge]

Most dragons get the rage at level 10-15 so there actually is a good chance Brock has it

[ocean dock]

Oof

Well hope for the best

[unique hawk]

I DO have access to Togepies... it's just that... that would be a slooooooooow grind...

[ocean dock]

Just try it a few times if it doesn’t work try using one in a fusion or something

[unique hawk]

Well, definitely lost, but being 6-7 levels lower was the reason, not the attacks. 😃

[robust crater]

should I fuse articuno with areodactyl?

[unique hawk]

Uhh... as awesome as that sounds, I feel like I should point out that Aerodactyl is much more physical than special. 😃

It could be argued that Articuno would be the worst of the three to pick... but I'd say, that sounds frickin' awesome, do it.

[odd ledge]

word of warning. Not sure if it was just my randomizer, but the leader will be using different mons if you challenge him again. Still dragons but different

[unique hawk]

Oh jeez, seriously?

Well, crap. That loss might have been awful then.

Those ones didn't seem so bad.

[robust crater]

well the thing is, I already have raikou so I don't need another electric legendary
I've got a blastizard so I don't need a fire legendary, and I've never been a big moltres fan in the first place anyways

[ocean dock]

I’d just find something else to fuse Articuno with

[robust crater]

aight

[unique hawk]

Blastizard has a sweet ring to it.

[robust crater]

looks pretty sweet too

[unique hawk]

Yooooooo 😄

[robust crater]

I've got a ton of really cool fusions this playthrough

[unique hawk]

That's one of the reasons I love this game so much, I always find ways to try something completely different, even in a non-randomized game.

Like even some of my "stupid" fusions came out to be pretty good, like Alakazam/Nidoqueen. 😃

There's really no great reason to DO that, but because they're on opposite ends stat wise, it works. 😄

[ocean dock]

I never can consistently play this for some reason

I always reach some point then just sort of stop

Don’t know why

I should do a randomized play through soon

Just so I can

[robust crater]

I do a randomized playthrough every time

that way you can get stuff like this

[unique hawk]

A lot of people will tell you "Make sure you do a huge BST range.", but so far I'm in disagreement there. 😃

[pallid ore]

Low is obviously better

[robust crater]

well usually I keep that around 150
but this playthrough I maxed it out

[pallid ore]

I wanted to try a super low bst value for trainers in my next playthrough. Like max 10

[unique hawk]

I set my range at 50 for wild, and whatever "balanced" means for trainers.

[pallid ore]

Usually I do 30-50

Good question, I dunno what those terms mean. Was just changed in the latest patch 🤔

[robust crater]

this dude is an absolute unit

usprited currently tho, hopefully that changes soon

[pallid ore]

That's a nice typing

[robust crater]

yea for sure

[ocean dock]

Is it electric ice?

[pallid ore]

Yes

[robust crater]

indeed it is

[unique hawk]

I think that one looks okay... maybe a bit goofy, but it works.

[robust crater]

yea it looks alright, I'd prefer it to be custom sprited tho

[ocean dock]

That seems like a fun type

[robust crater]

ye

it's got a pretty good move set as well

[ocean dock]

Seems a bit fragile though

[ocean dock]

Nice

[robust crater]

nah its got really high health

the lowest thing is defense, but it isn't too low

[ocean dock]

Just an electric ice makes me scared of like every ground type

[robust crater]

thankfully I'm faster than all of them pretty much

[ocean dock]

Hmm

[robust crater]

I've got this guy as well

and all of these except for the blastizard are my second team, it's been an interesting run

[unique hawk]

...should I ask about the Eviolite? 😃

[robust crater]

what're ya askin?

[junior lily]

why is it on a fully evolved mon?

[unique hawk]

It's definitely not helping you at all. 😃

[robust crater]

ye true, but I haven't been using that mon in a while, so it's not really being wasted
my main team is fully evolved

[junior lily]

ok

[ocean dock]

I really like ditto machamp on paper

Haven’t had a chance to make it yet

[unique hawk]

Chansey/Ditto was disturbingly powerful, and that was pre-update.

So with Blissey now, that'd just be nuts.

[junior lily]

exactly

since the only thing that Ditto brings to the table is Transform

[unique hawk]

Transform can be a big deal in a lot of cases though...

Like, transform on a guy with Aqua Ring? Biiiiiig deal.

[junior lily]

yeah, but you would need a high HP mon like you said

[unique hawk]

Yeah, I went with the Chansey(Blissey.) because it copies everything except HP, but you could also just fuse it to something with disabling capabilities...

Like, a Ditto/Shedinja could buff with quiver dance under Wonder Guard, then change into them.

[junior lily]

tbh if I wanted a Transform mon, I would go for Blissey/Mew. Does the same thing except it has better speed and could hold it's own even when not transformed.

*same thing as a Blissey/Ditto

[ocean dock]

It’s fun to meme with ditto though

Also ditto/machamp looks funny in my opinion

[unique hawk]

WOW! Slugma/Treecko is... as good as a Slugma! 😄

Used to make utility smeargles with Transform too... 😄

[proud crane]

I think Transform copies the opponent's stats, including stat changes, so your quiver dances would be overwritten

[unique hawk]

Does it?

Definitely works with stuff like Aqua Ring.

Aw crap, yeah, gym leaders totally have a different team each challenge, lol...

[proud crane]

Also, good call on Chansey/Ditto. It's one of the most powerful pokémon in the game

Softboiled, Toxic, Thunder Wave, and Transform, with Eviolite. Or Blissey/Ditto with Leftovers

[unique hawk]

That's almost word for word what I did, yeah. I feel like I had reflect instead of Thunder Wave though.

[proud crane]

certainly an option

only today does it occur to me: Chansey/Mew does the same thing, only much, much, much better

[pallid ore]

Blissey/Mew with transform and imprisonment is the true

[unique hawk]

Mew wasn't in game when I did that, but yes. 😃

[proud crane]

Don't think they get imprison

[pallid ore]

Mew should get it I think

Hm it doesnt

Then mew/dusknoir

Missing the hp though sadly

[proud crane]

with Mew head and hp EVs it still does okay

[unique hawk]

Yaaaaaaay! Only took me 2 hours to beat Brock! 😄

[pallid ore]

Yeah and maybe it has some other setup potential too

[proud crane]

this thing

[unique hawk]

Dragon Brock is kinda heartless, lol.

[proud crane]

yeah it's rough

[unique hawk]

Such is the life of a randomizer player, I suppose. 😃

Managed to beat it with a few extra levels.

Truly awful that they re-roll their team each challenge too, lol 😄

[junior lily]

can't you save before the battle, level up and face the same team?

[unique hawk]

Nope.

[proud crane]

illegal

[unique hawk]

Also ineffective. 😄

[proud crane]

Anyway, always carry a Muk/Marowak with you to scare off enemy Chansey/Mews

slow enough that transform goes first, allowing to hit super-effectively with Earthquake, and carries a Thicc Club, which transform can't copy

And Immune to Thunder Wave and Toxic, though Reflect may be an issue

[unique hawk]

...suggestion channel: Rename Thick club to Thicc club. 😃

[loud parrot]

then brick break

[unique hawk]

...treeco really does suck doesn't it? XD

[loud parrot]

indeed

[unique hawk]

Pfft, random items... lol 😄 Life Orb in Viridian Forest. XD

[loud parrot]

Electivire is a very good fusion body why is electivire a very good fusion body I am scared

why am I scared of this

[unique hawk]

I prefer Magmar, personally, but... yup.

[loud parrot]

I found one in dark cave along with hitmonlee

[fathom venture]

electivire is great I just dont like fusing ihim as body cuz the hair

[unique hawk]

Hmm... does gender always come from a fusion's head or something?

[unique hawk]

Also, anyone tried Ditto/Azumarill? I think transforming into a version of your opponent with Huge Power might be good. XD

[fathom venture]

natures dont transfer from originAL

transform would give you the ability of ditto

[unique hawk]

Not true, because then Limber wouldn't prevent a transformed ditto from being paralyzed.

[crude folio]

can someone send the graph people use to calculate fusion stats?

[loud parrot]

look at the pinned messages in the general channel

[crude folio]

thanks

[loud parrot]

np

[distant dagger]

That kinda fits actually

[proud crane]

Transform is supposed to copy abilities, but it doesn't

[primal olive]

I have some pokemon lying around, and I wanted to know what useful/cool fusions i can get from these

Right now I have a Torill (Torchic/Azumarill) with Huge Power though i can unfuse and add the two to the list

[hidden bison]

Grimer/Pineco

Muk/Foretress should be quite good

just watch out for those ground types

[proud crane]

I'm thinking Sunkern/Pineco and Beldum/Cranidos

[hidden bison]

ye Grass/Steel is quite good too

Muk/Forretress

Sunflora/Forretress

[proud crane]

but you get dat leech seed

[hidden bison]

yep

i mean stats are not that different

20 BST difference is not much

[primal olive]

only 15 differenec

[hidden bison]

ye 15

[loud parrot]

I'd say those are pretty good tanks

[primal olive]

would butterfree/ninetales or would either of them be better with others?

so far i am doing the Sunflora/Fortress

[nova sparrow]

swinub/vulpix maybe?

i mean, i know horpix works well

[proud crane]

Butterfree/Ninetales would be fine. Fast sleep powder

[nova sparrow]

that too

[hidden bison]

Rampardos/Metagross maybe ?

Rock/Psychic

[loud parrot]

rampardos is one of those pokemon that has only one good stat, and is basically in a wheelchair for everything else

meaning whatever it fuses with is going to have a massive attack stat regardless

[hidden bison]

ye

sadly most of the things on this list dont fit too well

maybe Muk head

but muk doesnt get good Stab poison phys attacks

[loud parrot]

I'd say focus on bulk with it

[hidden bison]

and that x4 weakness to ground is not ideal

Muk has good Sp.def and HP

Mamoswine/Metagross

should be quite decent

Ice/Psychic

[loud parrot]

holy crap, the steel/rock fusion actually looks good stat distribution wise

[hidden bison]

ye but Steel/Rock is bad

as a type combo

[primal olive]

they both have the same stats going for them either way

both end up at 546 bst

[loud parrot]

gardevoir/rampardos?

[primal olive]

i dont think i have a ralts

[loud parrot]

save it for the dino waifu?

[hidden bison]

Gallade would fit better

with rampardos

[primal olive]

I did find a kirlia in he wild

i can go catch that

Muk/Metagross looks alright, Psychic/Poison, so stab in both their main elements

[hidden bison]

Gallade/Rampardos

Gardevoir is not bad actually

more of a mixed attacker

still leaning towards Phys tho

so if you want all out Atk

go Gallade

[primal olive]

would Rampardos/Azumarill work?

it would have Huge Power

[hidden bison]

ye it should work

Rock/Fairy

[loud parrot]

electrode/rampardos is actually fast

[hidden bison]

88x2

[primal olive]

sucks that hugepower can only be gotten by the fairy type

[proud crane]

88x2 + ~7.5

[loud parrot]

isn't that higher than base rampardos?

[pallid ore]

'decent' attack lol

[hidden bison]

Slaking btw

[proud crane]

it's higher than deoxys Atk Forme

[hidden bison]

Slaking/Azumarill

[primal olive]

not sure where i can get the slakoth

[hidden bison]

you cant

[loud parrot]

if only slakoth was in the game, it would make it a lot easier

[hidden bison]

only Slaking is in the game

no Slakoth or Vigoroth

[loud parrot]

but you can only find slaking

like how you can only find lucario and bidoof

[hidden bison]

and its in the Postgame

[primal olive]

so you can't breed slaking?

[hidden bison]

you can

it just hatches into Slaking

[primal olive]

did they just pump the egg up with muscle juice?

[hidden bison]

lol

Egg on Steroids

[loud parrot]

nah, that's just fight milk

[crude folio]

what pokemon could work well with absol?

[primal olive]

Rampardos body

[loud parrot]

aerodactyl body

[pallid ore]

Snorlax head

[loud parrot]

fun fact, aerodactyl's body is broken on most physical attackers

example: Ho-Oh, why: Rock Head Brave Bird

I know because I have that in my randomizer

[primal olive]

i coul do aero/rampardos

[crude folio]

if you use a super splicer you can chose what nature they get right?

[pallid ore]

Yes

Well, between the two that your fusion material had

[loud parrot]

So this is Rampardos/Aerodactyl

either way this thing is a literal truck

[primal olive]

i might just save it for that then

[haughty jay]

wow rampardos/aero a amazing dinosaur

[crude folio]

i fused my adamant absol with a aerodactyl and it's attack stat is almost the same as my other physical attacker 10 lvl up

[loud parrot]

absol as the body or the head?

[crude folio]

absol head earo body

[loud parrot]

I used that in my base playthrough and it just swept agatha

actually that playthrough had a ton of busted mons

...actually that's my mindset of all of my playthroughs of this game

[crude folio]

lol

[primal olive]

i liked my Gardevoir/Ariados Fusion

[dusky quiver]

This... is disturbing. lol

[hidden bison]

hey the generator did its best at least

[haughty jay]

and if we created our own generator site?

[hidden bison]

@haughty jay that be rad 😎👌🏻

[unique hawk]

Man, not all the fusions can be beautiful like Betty here:

[crude folio]

somehow Betty is a perfect nickname for that

[unique hawk]

I thought so. 😃

[hidden bison]

oh you using one of the mons i used eh

[unique hawk]

Oh did you? Not intentionally. 😃

Just wanted something with Shadow tag that could fight.

[hidden bison]

ey nothing wrong with using it

its always nice seeing one of my sprites

[unique hawk]

Ah 😄 Good job, I like it! 😄

Thought you were like "This guy's stealin' mah 'mons!" 😄

[hidden bison]

well its not rly my mon

mine is in my save file

lol

[unique hawk]

Yeah, a buddy of mine has been playing this game alongside me, and he actually asked permission to use one of the guys I fused in my game... I was just like "Um... duh dude, I just make whatever works." 😄

[hidden bison]

this was my team at the time

[unique hawk]

Ooooooh, did you do all those? 😄

[hidden bison]

ye

[unique hawk]

Niiiice.

[hidden bison]

i started taking screenshots of my Hall of fame teams

when the game got its E4 update

[unique hawk]

I've only got one clear so far, I'll take one when I load that file up again.

Love the custom work though!

[hidden bison]

👍

[nova sparrow]

screamshots*

[uncut ginkgo]

Those are quite the awesome sprites

[hidden bison]

tnx

[junior lily]

the Gallade/Quagsire reminds me of the "you know I had to do it to em" Gallade wooloo made a while back

[junior lily]

Bootleg Naganadel 🤣

[nova sparrow]

looks just like the real thing

[dusty lichen]

scientists proved this is the last thing you see before you go to heck is this satan?

[frail solstice]

holy crap that dusknoir/lugia is a massive boy

no

that's fearow

oh god

[dusty lichen]

is this satan?

[worn bison]

tf

[dusty lichen]

scornant

anything with trevanant looks like it crawled from the pits of heck

like this genenant

[nova sparrow]

bro i though the scornant had censored japanese pp for hands

[dusty lichen]

he does

[lunar hamlet]

These two look badass fused

[hybrid cave]

no matter how cool it looks

when its rock

its bad

XD

[lunar hamlet]

Nah

Sand Stream

And Leech Seed

And then Willo

[hybrid cave]

this is why i say

[lunar hamlet]

That's not even that bad lmao

Also

BOI

[hybrid cave]

very weak to grass

[lunar hamlet]

Just like Barbaracle

So nothing's changed

[hybrid cave]

get a normal steel type

best type u can have if it has high def

xD

or fire fly with high special def

[dusty lichen]

im insulting charmander fans

[hybrid cave]

water fairy is good

[lunar hamlet]

It's water psychic

learn to read

[hybrid cave]

i can read

was not talking bout that

[hybrid cave]

ground ground?

double ground?

[lunar hamlet]

It's how it displays redundancies

[hybrid cave]

how does that work 🤔

[nova sparrow]

grouuundon

[hybrid cave]

megladon pokemon when?

🤔

(imaginate auto win due lack of battle room)

[lunar hamlet]

Oh god

Those scythes would oneshot

Death's Scythe from Smash Ultimate but everyone's at kill%

[hybrid cave]

actualy

not a bad type

[dusty lichen]

unpopular opinion but

[hybrid cave]

i mean sure

2 times x4

but

both have normaly high def

so its basicaly like having a effect of x2

xD

fighting ground and water

3 weakness

[dusty lichen]

scorbodor is looking at you like it wants to die

[hybrid cave]

actualy a good fusion for def and attack

[lunar hamlet]

This one's name is badass

I imagine this cannon in a mineshaft

Opening it up with a big blast

[hybrid cave]

this is actualy one of the best pokemons without fusions then

[lunar hamlet]

No, not really

[hybrid cave]

can have 504 def

hp aint the lowest

if u got that much def

[lunar hamlet]

Aggron's PU tier

[hybrid cave]

u can pretty much say

ur only weak to water

[lunar hamlet]

No, not in practice

In practice, it gets absolutely wrecked by Earthquake either way

[hybrid cave]

cause it does not reached that much def due ev?

[lunar hamlet]

No

[hybrid cave]

i got blislix

and i can ensure u

ground moves are a joke

[lunar hamlet]

That's a 2x multiplier

And Blislix has high HP as well

[hybrid cave]

75hp by earthquake done on equal lvl

[hybrid cave]

but yea

x2 vs x4

[dusty lichen]

pumpbodor stares into your soul

[hybrid cave]

only ground and fighting weakness, but should give u like barely any resists as well

[lunar hamlet]

Types don't matter that much

[hybrid cave]

depends ur stats

[crude folio]

if it still has slow start is's useless anyway

[hybrid cave]

depends ur stats

[lunar hamlet]

No, Slow Start truly makes it useless

[hybrid cave]

if ur only weakness is def for exsample but elemental weakness is special def

depends

[lunar hamlet]

A pokemon could have 255/255/255/255/255/255 stats and be ruined by Slow Start

[hybrid cave]

if u can

[lunar hamlet]

Well, maybe not that high

[hybrid cave]

1-2 shot them and they 2-3 shot u

[lunar hamlet]

Uh huh

Go on

[hybrid cave]

some pokemon have far less speed, but their def might cover their weakness and still have a good offensive stat

[lunar hamlet]

Forever

Something you need to understand

Is that defense stats are at a severe disadvantage trying to cover a weakness

[hybrid cave]

i am not saying u gotta be 500def necesarily neither

but if u can 2 shot them

u just gotta be strong enough to get 3 hits

[lunar hamlet]

Which isn't gonna happen

[hybrid cave]

it can actualy, it just depends from type to type

some types have more variations in elemental moves then the others

[lunar hamlet]

No, it depends on the game glitching out

It generally doesn't happen

End of story

[hybrid cave]

thats what u believe

[lunar hamlet]

That's what I know from experience

[hybrid cave]

experience doest mean ur god almighty though xD

everything has its goods and its weakness

[lunar hamlet]

No, but it means I know what I'm talking about

You've given no evidence to your claims

Only circular logic that accomplishes nothing

Anyways

Back to posting fusions

[nova sparrow]

doesnt matter how much defense your graveler has, aqua jet will still kill it

[lunar hamlet]

^

Diggersby's an incredibly cursed head

[hybrid cave]

most skills of the weakness is relevant to special def

[nova sparrow]

and?

what about a greninja with water shuriken

thats physical too i think

[hybrid cave]

has high special def and hp, so its fairly to say it still can survive a bit of special dmg while dealing dmg back

[nova sparrow]

or vine whip?

basically, you're not just wrong, you're stupid.

[lunar hamlet]

Also even if it gets hit by say sludge wave

[nova sparrow]

covering your ass with stats is a terrible move to make if you have any mother options.

[lunar hamlet]

It still dies from it

[hybrid cave]

its 3 weakness are mostly special related

[nova sparrow]

forever

[hybrid cave]

def is mostly x1

[nova sparrow]

do you think a primarina survives a razor leaf?

or an energy ball?

[hybrid cave]

it can with right ev

[nova sparrow]

basically, it wont

because trying to resist weaknesses via stats is a waste

[hybrid cave]

its not if u can deal dmg urself as well though

[nova sparrow]

that is the point of buiolding a tetam that covers its weaknesses.

[hybrid cave]

its more like to take em out be4 they take u out

[nova sparrow]

have you never playing a pokemon game before?

or did you just use charizard the whole time.

[hybrid cave]

esprite u gave 0 in ev of special def btw

[nova sparrow]

and?

[lunar hamlet]

For a physical attack

Have you played past gen 3?

[hybrid cave]

esprite

[nova sparrow]

maxing the spdef or def makes the pokemon terrible in fights anyways

[hybrid cave]

why would u wory to much on def

when most common weakness is special?

[lunar hamlet]

Forever

[nova sparrow]

cause its attack and spatk will be 0

[lunar hamlet]

Gunk Shot is physical

[hybrid cave]

every move every pokemon can basicaly a counter

[lunar hamlet]

You retard

[hybrid cave]

its not bout

what u can die alone

but how u counter'most'

not all

but most

[nova sparrow]

okay so forever has never played a pokemon game then

retard

[hybrid cave]

if most move set are special

[lunar hamlet]

Jesus christ I'm getting an aneurysm

[nova sparrow]

"oh im so smart ill burn the tree in front of surges gym with my lv 100 charizard!"

fucking idiot

[lunar hamlet]

This dude hasn't played a game gen 4 or later

[nova sparrow]

fire red charizard man

[hybrid cave]

thats actualy what u guys are saying urself beespoon

i say to counter most

and yall complain bout 1 counter move

[nova sparrow]

you...

[lunar hamlet]

It's not a counter move

[nova sparrow]

do you not realize there are 6 slots in a team of pokemon?

to allow you to cover mweaknesses reasonably?

[hybrid cave]

do u not realise that counts for both u and enemy?

if it not suits the situation

[nova sparrow]

instead of using stupid shit like ice fang charizard?

[hybrid cave]

just take a different pokemon

[nova sparrow]

cause i mean

[lunar hamlet]

Exactly

[nova sparrow]

youre trying to say i should prioritize defenses

[lunar hamlet]

So don't put defensive EVs on an offensive mon

[nova sparrow]

with a offense mon

[lunar hamlet]

Which neuters the offensive mon's stats

[nova sparrow]

cause "oh the gunk shot"

what a retard

[hybrid cave]

mate u can spend 500+ ev wich is 250 in a single stat

[nova sparrow]

gonna say i should give my primarina an asasult vest next?

[hybrid cave]

u still can be both offensive while having special def

[lunar hamlet]

Not well

[nova sparrow]

no you really cant

[lunar hamlet]

In order to be defensive you need HP investment

[nova sparrow]

an offensive mon goes atk/spatk and speed

[lunar hamlet]

As well as the defense stat

[hybrid cave]

that depends how much hp u got to begin with

[nova sparrow]

not atk/def

[hybrid cave]

if ur hp is already high enough

[lunar hamlet]

You increase it further

[nova sparrow]

you know what? fuck you and fuck your shitty argument

[lunar hamlet]

There's very little reason not to increase HP if you're going defensive

[nova sparrow]

you're so retarded that i will bock you to not hear this shit

retard.

[hybrid cave]

not going defensive, more like balancing stats

like i said

[lunar hamlet]

EXCEPT IT'S NOT BALANCED AT ALL

[hybrid cave]

wew u guys xD

[odd ledge]

Balancing stats is the quickest way to lose

[hybrid cave]

i just need to be strong enough to trading blows

[nova sparrow]

gonna guess what hes saying

[hybrid cave]

thats all to it

if u cant trade blows

u rely on speed

[nova sparrow]

"oh yeah garchomp atk/spdef is a great set"

"with assault vest"

"and like,"

"protect"

"for the defensive xdddddd"

[hybrid cave]

except protect doest deal dmg xD

[lunar hamlet]

Forever, how would you rely on speed if you invested into defenses

[hybrid cave]

so no, its not usefull for trading blows, just to counter the move thats ur weakness

pp usage

[lunar hamlet]

Beespoon, unblock him

You gotta see what shit he's saying

XD

[hybrid cave]

why would u rely on speed if u can take one out in 1 -2 hits when they need 3 hits on u

u still got 1 hit adventage

so why bother speed?

[lunar hamlet]

You literally had just said

[hybrid cave]

i said u gotta look at situation

u can go fast as fuk

[lunar hamlet]

"If you can't trade blows you rely on speed"

[hybrid cave]

but if u need 3 attacks to kill

[lunar hamlet]

But you can't pick and choose like that

It's one or the other

[hybrid cave]

and 2 attacks to die

then speed doest matter much

[lunar hamlet]

Yes it does though

Because you could lower their stats

[hybrid cave]

no cus ur 1 hit ahead

[lunar hamlet]

And if you have higher speed you can win

[hybrid cave]

xD

most lowering stats skills

arent that much high in power though

[lunar hamlet]

It's called a status move

[nova sparrow]

do people actually believe this shit

[odd ledge]

Lower stats, inflict status, Set up. These are all things that higher speed allows

[nova sparrow]

do people really act like this beyond age 5

[lunar hamlet]

Hey

[hybrid cave]

atleast i dont behave like toxic

x)

[lunar hamlet]

Don't insult 5 year olds like that

[hybrid cave]

i dont start insulting people

cause i can hold my temper, m adult enough to hold my emotions x)

[nova sparrow]

gonna guess again okay

"my landorus with dig is good cause hes defensive"

"hes so great at beating grass types!"

[lunar hamlet]

Beespoon, even better

[fathom venture]

wait are people being out of hand here

[lunar hamlet]

"i dont start insulting people
cause i can hold my temper, m adult enough to hold my emotions x)"

[nova sparrow]

"i gave him a quick claw too!"

[fathom venture]

Beespoon is 15/14

[nova sparrow]

"cause sometimes i want him to be slow and sometimes i want him to be fast!"

"xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"

[fathom venture]

ok chill out here

[hybrid cave]

still doest change the fact if u can take em out in 2 hits and they need 3 hits to take u out that its possible to play that way js

[fathom venture]

you don't need to be rude

[hybrid cave]

speed might mean alot in most cases

[lunar hamlet]

Okay but Forever

[hybrid cave]

but not in all cases

[lunar hamlet]

That doesn't even involve weaknesses or anything

[fathom venture]

guys stop being rude to Forever

[lunar hamlet]

That's just you spouting basic knowledge under the most barebones situation and trying to use it as evidence

[fathom venture]

no need to call him "retard"

[nova sparrow]

"i can add single numbers"

"momma says thats great for a 12 year old"

[hybrid cave]

wew these people can be toxic

and tbh, if u only are thinking of one way

u mostly get beaten by the same way that counters the one way

just saying

game gives alot of options

[lunar hamlet]

Yeah and?

[odd ledge]

yes and most of those options are useless. There is always gonna be an optimal build

[hybrid cave]

dont u think its rather ignorant to talk like that as if speed is a godly stat, its not alot of pokemon goes not without speed at all u know

[lunar hamlet]

You still haven't argued your original "Point"

Also that's a complete lie

[hybrid cave]

its not a lie

most pokemons got actualy average speed

only pfew of them goes high

[lunar hamlet]

The average speed stat of an OU mon is about 100

[hybrid cave]

this is crobat stats, if u gonna spend alot in ev in speed u will lose alot on both offens and defensive, js

[lunar hamlet]

And?

[hybrid cave]

u dont need to be fast, just be fast enough

if u cant

u rely on other stats

that gives more benefits

just simple as that

[lunar hamlet]

Okay sure, some of the time that's true

What does any of that have to do with your original point

That stats could make up for weaknesses

[hybrid cave]

that speed alone ist everything?

like i said

if u can 2 shot them

and they need to 3 shot u

then speed ist the only relyable source

[lunar hamlet]

Give some examples

Give us concrete evidence

Instead of talking in circles

[hybrid cave]

take exsample of that crobat there

[nova sparrow]

nobody said speed was everything, what we said was that putting defense on an offensive mon is so blatantly idiotic that anyone doing it deserves a kick in the crotch

[hybrid cave]

if u went full speed

how big is the chance

[lunar hamlet]

No we're not talking about speed

[hybrid cave]

that u can 2 shot and how big is the chance u get 1 shot

[lunar hamlet]

We're talking about stats making up for weaknesses

[hybrid cave]

every pokemon has its weakness

[lunar hamlet]

Yes, that is true

[hybrid cave]

but some weakness can be covered by a certain stats

[lunar hamlet]

Prove. It.

[hybrid cave]

like i said

[lunar hamlet]

Stop just saying vague situational phrases and thinking that's an argument

[hybrid cave]

bout the x2 part on water fairy pokemon

most skills

are related to special def

u dont need def in that case

[lunar hamlet]

And they'll still twoshot it

[hybrid cave]

u use other pokemon just for that

u just focus to counter special skill pokemons

simple as that

[odd ledge]

It gets 1 shot by Gunk Shot

[lunar hamlet]

It still gets 2 shot by thunderbolt

Even with its special defense

That's my point

[hybrid cave]

dude

thats def

and second

not all moves have to be countered

u just counter most

not all

[lunar hamlet]

But it doesn't counter most

[hybrid cave]

it does if most skills are related to special def

[odd ledge]

Yes it is also it's weakness. A weakness that isn't stopped by it's stats

[nova sparrow]

forever uses a shield and a penknife in battle, eh

[lunar hamlet]

Forever

[hybrid cave]

yall act like every pokemon has that move to begin with

js

[lunar hamlet]

These are the pokemon's main sets

So don't argue that the EVs are wrong

[hybrid cave]

thunderbolt is special

[lunar hamlet]

Yes it is

[hybrid cave]

u can spend points in special def

[odd ledge]

This is the optimal set for Primarina. Anything different sacrifices usability

[hybrid cave]

so due its a main set all other logic should be abandoned?

[lunar hamlet]

"Logic"

[odd ledge]

This is literally as good as Primarina will be

[nova sparrow]

because it is the optimal set, used by

wait shit

i recognize this mindest

its like an antivaxxer all over again

FUCK

[lunar hamlet]

Like trying to make it take on super effective attacks

[nova sparrow]

[bro its damian from the anime mixed with an antivaxxer]

[lunar hamlet]

A better defensive tool is to switch to a ground type

[nova sparrow]

[how does this happen even]

[lunar hamlet]

That's worth 1000000 EVs in special defense

Takes that damage number down to zero

Without sacrificing the Primarina's offensive utility

[worn bison]

vaccines cause autism

[hybrid cave]

life orb

...

[nova sparrow]

autism causes vaccines!

[lunar hamlet]

That's what Jolteons run

[worn bison]

oh shit

[lunar hamlet]

Because they want to be able to switch moves

[hybrid cave]

speaking of move set with including items

[nova sparrow]

which then cause autism, cause like fetus? and also trangenderism

cause thats reasonable

wait forever didnt go charizard fire red

he went charizard in the original

[lunar hamlet]

Vaccines cause a chance of dying of old age

[nova sparrow]

where you could max all the shit

[lunar hamlet]

Did you know that?

[nova sparrow]

and like,

oh wow what a shick

shock

fuckin

but muh logic

[hybrid cave]

seems yall need to learn bout autism

[nova sparrow]

yoiu woudljfsugddf listen to muh gotrgbfment

cause logicic

!

[lunar hamlet]

Bee, you're forgetting that gen 1's too old for Forever

[nova sparrow]

hmm

[lunar hamlet]

Forever, all the autism stuff was a joke

I know it's difficult to understand

[nova sparrow]

bro i am literally a high functioning autistic

lmao

[hybrid cave]

lol

[lunar hamlet]

I most likely have aspergers

[nova sparrow]

doesnt mean you're not fucking stupid

[hybrid cave]

got aspergers too

[nova sparrow]

it doesnt excuse your stupidity either

[lunar hamlet]

Agreed

[fathom venture]

ok beespoon stop being rude you too esprite

[lunar hamlet]

Hey, I'm being civil

[hybrid cave]

esprite actualy mostly talk bout the topic itself

[fathom venture]

yeah thats youre bing ok

Beespoon stop being so rude to him

[nova sparrow]

why is forever even in the discord when fusions make fight even mroe techinical?

i mean, really

[hidden bison]

man what is going on here

[fathom venture]

its not warranted I get that what he says might be irrational but you don't have to be rude

[nova sparrow]

someones being stupid, dont worry about it

[fathom venture]

because he likes the game

[hybrid cave]

beespoon just beeing toxic due i said that speed aint the only relyable stat

[nova sparrow]

does he really?

[fathom venture]

Beespoon is yet again being toxic

[lunar hamlet]

Okay forever

[nova sparrow]

no what you said was

"defense makes super effective hits not matter"

[hidden bison]

Jesus people

[lunar hamlet]

The word toxic's a bit much

[nova sparrow]

as if that's reasonable

and

[fathom venture]

beespoon you're the one insulting people

[hybrid cave]

thats not what i said either bee

i told many times it just gotta be good enough to trade blows

[fathom venture]

yeah the word toxic is a bit much I am just saying Beespoon has a pattern of unrespectful and unwarranted rudeness

[nova sparrow]

"no thats not optimal because it should defend and tbolt life orb jolteon

[hybrid cave]

u just gotta hit harder then the enemy

[nova sparrow]

and most importantly

all his logic?

[lunar hamlet]

Good Job Goku, you beat Metal Cooler

[nova sparrow]

anti vaxxer tier

"its not that way because logic"

[fathom venture]

@proud crane when you're back could you resolve this?

[hidden bison]

welp

im bailing out of this

lol

[hybrid cave]

lol

[nova sparrow]

lol

[fathom venture]

smart

[lunar hamlet]

Bee, just let it rest lmao

[nova sparrow]

k

[flat galleon]

🅱 poon

[pallid ore]

Thank god I already lost my faith in humanity. Actual NU tier behaviour.

[robust crater]

what's NU stand for

[fathom venture]

NeverUsed

[robust crater]

ah

[pallid ore]

Preferred using a stupid comp. pkmn tier reference over an adjective that would have probably gotten me banned

[nova sparrow]

"no this is how pokemon red works so this is how all games work!!1!"

lmao

[pallid ore]

🤦 👉 🐝

[unique hawk]

Yeesh, think I'll just go ahead and click that "mark all read" button...

Hey guys! Everyone having fun here tonight? I like Pokemans! How about you guys?!

[loud parrot]

just having fun making new wack pokemon

going over the Hitmovire fusion too

[unique hawk]

My first randomized playthrough let me have a Gyarados/Marill... that's going to be entertaining. 😄

[primal olive]

Mine net me Kirllia/Ariados

[unique hawk]

Oooh, that could be neat! 😄

[primal olive]

It was a bug fairy, yet all the moves i were learning was Psychic and Poison

[unique hawk]

Yeah, was going to say, won't get a lot in stab moves, but its stats will certainly be different. 😃

[primal olive]

True, im surprised Kirlia was faster than Ariados body

[unique hawk]

...plus, I think it's a psychic that's going to get Night Shade...

[primal olive]

I gotta look up how that works

[unique hawk]

It's just ghost type :damage = level.

[primal olive]

I meant the moves learned

[unique hawk]

Ah.

[primal olive]

I know there are different learnsets based on fused/unfused

[unique hawk]

Holy crap look at the tyts on this thing!

[distant dagger]

Don't lewd the ralts

[unique hawk]

Did you mean DO lewd the ralts?

[distant dagger]

noooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO

[primal olive]

Can i request a sprite for Swinub line /Bastiodon

[distant dagger]

#spriting-discussion would probably a better place for requests

[unique hawk]

Can we request lewding of the Ralts?

[distant dagger]

nononononnnononononono

[unique hawk]

MonHuque, it's immune to toxic because of its poison typing... which it will never transfer in fusion. So... only if you fuse it with something providing poison.

Um...

Apparently Discord decided I wanted to read messages from like 9 hours ago.

[unique hawk]

Now here's a 'mon I have high hopes for. 😄

[fathom venture]

dark ghost nice

[hybrid cave]

more like ghost ground

x)

[primal olive]

best eeveelution body for a Porygon head?]

[loud parrot]

espeon or jolteon

if you're just going for porygon2, vaporeon or umbreon

[primal olive]

im aiming for it to be Z

[loud parrot]

then espeon or jolteon, maybe vaporeon

or glaceon

[primal olive]

where would i get glaceon?

[loud parrot]

dawn stone

[distant dagger]

*ice stone

[hidden bison]

It is going to be Ghost/Dark when its fully evolved tho

The ghastly/larvitar

[proud crane]

@hybrid cave you need to be more open to the idea that you might not be right about things. Especially when the competitive pokémon scene as a whole disagrees with you. Your Blisslix tanking super effective hits from fusions that don't have EVs or held items does not constitute evidence of anything.

@nova sparrow @lunar hamlet Go back and read what you said. Do you think that's what you should be like? Do you think that's an acceptable way to talk to a person? Do you think that's how to be part of a community?
You both were insulting and hateful and I am disappointed in both of you as people. Do not disappoint me again.
And don't you dare try to justify it either.

[nova sparrow]

yeah okay fair enough

sorry

[lunar hamlet]

Same as beespoon.

[unique hawk]

Hah! 😄 Random egg from the breeder in my randomized game:

[simple osprey]

That ain't a random egg tho

[unique hawk]

Are those static or something?

I hit randomize on everything, soooooo....

[fathom venture]

wow Chippy got serious I'm glad he did

this proves that the only moderator you'll ever need in life is Chippy

[simple osprey]

poor qt314xxx

[fathom venture]

you mispelled his name lol

the ultra disrespect

[oblique ridge]

Look at this Yugio fusion I made...

[distant dagger]

So I've been playing 3.1.3 with only gen 1 pokemon and I'm kinda amazed at how many possibilities there are with only those mons already

I've been looking for some fusions for my team and even though there are way less options, it's still a lot of fun

I also found this surprisingly good fusion, either fire/ice with water or fire absorbing abilities, or water/fire which is a great type anyway and good stats and possibly water absorb as well

Oh actually I think the lapras body doesn't get water absorb so that's a little dissapointing

Either way it's way better than I expected

[distant dagger]

Oh no

[distant dagger]

I think I might actually go for this one instead of the lapras one

Remember that with the 25% boost, it's actually 110 base sp.def and 129 base speed

The moveset could be something like Will-O-Wisp/Confuse Ray/Flare blitz/Hex

It has cool sprite potential as well

Now I just have to get a raichu

[loud parrot]

aerodactyl/rapidash fusion with rock head

scary thought

[distant dagger]

Massive attack and speed too

That's pretty scary

Then choice band/scarf as well

Well that was pretty easy

Now I just have to

level ponyta up...

12 levels.........

Welp, I've been playing for a while already and I still have to clean my room before I move out

So I think this is probably a good time for that

[unique hawk]

Hmm.. Serene Grace + Ancient Power + Stored Power not quite as effective as I was hoping for.

[pallid ore]

Ancient power just doesn't proc often enough? 20% right?

Doing it the boring way (aka boost moves) is probably better

Quiver dance is the way to go then

[unique hawk]

Yeah, Quiver Dance doesn't quite fit my plan, but Ancient Power's just not going to cut it.

[unique hawk]

Yech... got a few failures in this randomizer, lol...

Sunflora/Forretress seems good on paper, but just can't hack it.

[lunar hamlet]

There's the problem

Thinking Sunflora makes for a legitimately good fusion

[unique hawk]

I was thinking like, it has leech seed, it has toxic, it gets spikes, synthesis, and giga drain, and my team already has a baton passer... sounds good to me!

...but nah, it's not solid enough.

[lunar hamlet]

Got this in a wonder trade

[unique hawk]

lol, that name...

[lunar hamlet]

Oh gosh

I wish this wasn't a trainer battle

[unique hawk]

Yeaaaaaaah that'd be pretty sweet. 😄

[lunar hamlet]

Especially since I'm a big fan of Parasect

[unique hawk]

Parasect is fantastic for its moves for sure. 😄

[lunar hamlet]

Wow

Found a custom sprite

[high vault]

Petition to give Marasaur a gun

React to sign

[unique hawk]

WAT

[high vault]

Yeah

She deserves it

She can snap the universe in half and I would forgive her

She’s to damn cute for this world

[unique hawk]

I kinda want to see a Blastoise/Octillery with just like, a crapload of guns. XD

Blasttillery... 😄

Wouldn't be very GOOD, but as far as fun fusions go. 😄

[chrome terrace]

jorgen you know you can replace it right

@high vault

[high vault]

No

[chrome terrace]

ok so

[high vault]

Marasaur cuter

And he have fun

[chrome terrace]

i meant replacing the sprite with the gun one

[lunar hamlet]

Player

[high vault]

Oh yeah

[lunar hamlet]

You can't win against facts and logic

[high vault]

I can 😈

[chrome terrace]

so what you want to do is

thats a marill right?

[high vault]

Yeye

Ik

Yeah it’s Marasaur
Maril-Bulbasaur

Ik how to do it I just didn’t think of it

[chrome terrace]

ok

[high vault]

Thank you random citizen

[chrome terrace]

no problem

[lunar hamlet]

(Bug/Water type)

(Will later be Bug/Dragon)

[hybrid cave]

🤔

bug water is better though with wonder gaurd

[lunar hamlet]

Yeah but Bug Dragon's cooler

[narrow spoke]

Top 5 most op fusions?

[worn bison]

no

[narrow spoke]

Ok

Is there a way to speedup the game?

[odd ledge]

press Crtl

[narrow spoke]

<3

[hidden bison]

is electivire / machamp a good fusion?

[narrow spoke]

yes

Say, if i fusion hootootwith ghastly will it make ghost normal?

[proud crane]

normal/flying types always give Flying when fused, and Gastly always gives Ghost

[narrow spoke]

damn

then can i find a furret anywhere?

[hidden bison]

In the early routes

[narrow spoke]

before putter gym?

or after

[hidden bison]

Should be avaliable before

[narrow spoke]

if it is its uper rare

cant find any on route 1 or 2

is there a way i can see what comes of the fusion between 2 pokemon

like a document with a picture of every fusion or smthn

[proud crane]

Check your Graphics\Battlers folder. All the sprites are in there

[narrow spoke]

kk

all 100k of them

xd

ohhhh its so nicely organized

how does the system work?

[proud crane]

which system? Sprite organzation?

[narrow spoke]

yea

lets say i wanna look at furret sprites

can i go to a specific number ?

[proud crane]

sprites are numbered X.Y, where X is the pokédex number of the head, and Y is the number of the body

Look in the 162 folder for all the Furret-headed sprites

[narrow spoke]

how do you know

[narrow spoke]

ohhhh ok thanks

so i can just look at the dex number and ill find the mon alright

[proud crane]

Yes. each subfolder contains all the sprites of any given head

I don't however know of an easy way to find all the Furret-bodied sprites.

[narrow spoke]

ok since furret and gengar is normal ghost is that mon immune to all ghost ?

[proud crane]

yep

[narrow spoke]

opop

[proud crane]

And Fighting, and Ground if you pick Levitate

[narrow spoke]

what combo

what mons did u use for the fighting ground fusion

[proud crane]

Was talking about Furret/Gengar's other two immunities

[hidden bison]

Immune to normal, fighting, ghost and potentially ground

[lunar hamlet]

Poligma nuts

[slow abyss]

He scream at ground

[violet axle]

There's a joke to be made but i can't find it

[junior lily]

What's a good, Bug/Fairy? Yanmega/Gardevior?

Does it get Speed Boost?

[pallid ore]

Heracross/Granbull, Togekiss/Scyther (would be better with quiver dance TM)

Yanmega/guardevoir gets tinted lens

[odd ledge]

It isnt a bug, but one of my favorite Fairy fusions was Mismagius/Gardevoir

[pallid ore]

Heracross/Azumarill with huge power

[junior lily]

That Heracross fusion sounds fun

[robust crater]

what's better, cleffa/zubat or zubat/cleffa?

[pallid ore]

Cleffa/Zubat

[unique hawk]

Heh... Wailord/Gabite fusion... 😄 For that subtle balance between "I never wanna die" and "I'ma rip your face off."

[novel ginkgo]

wow time really flew by jeez