showdown-teambuilding

[quiet salmon]

yeah but idt theres a -14 timezone

[void willow]

tour is at 6pm ET (UTC -4), so you only need to be 6 hours ahead for it to be "tomorrow" (UTC +2 and onwards)

[quiet salmon]

oops i didnt think of it that way

[deft kestrel]

wha now

Pory that's just...straight up not listed

Ah I didn't know that was a thing, will change it on the rules

"These rules do NOT say I need to represent every generation"

Yeah this was what I assumed as well. Especially considering I wrote the doc

There is

[cursive folio]

by the by, necrozma fusions are able to turn into ultra necrozma in the Big Boss format, is this intentional or an oopsie since i dont actively use necrozma LOL

[deft kestrel]

That is for sure an "oopsie"

[cursive folio]

yeah, maybe letting necrozium electivire run around might cause some issues

[deft kestrel]

...That will be adjusted

[cursive folio]

lmao

[deft kestrel]

Tried to thorough, but didn't have a lot of eyes

Wait hold on

Ultra is Ubers right?

[cursive folio]

base necrozma can turn ultra via the "necrozium" held item and then using photon geyser

and base necrozma is uh

far from ubers

[deft kestrel]

Well yeah

[cursive folio]

ultra though is absolutely ubers

it might actually be AG lemme check

no its ubers

[deft kestrel]

But Big Boss is still hosted within IF Dex OU

[cursive folio]

yeah

[deft kestrel]

With Fusion Species claused removed

[cursive folio]

does this mean this can like??? happen in OU???

[quiet salmon]

necrozmium in if dex ou is fine

[cursive folio]

oh shit really

[deft kestrel]

So u can go Ultra?

[quiet salmon]

yeah

[deft kestrel]

huh.

[candid panther]

Hey question for the folks

Need help with some Mon team building

[quiet salmon]

post team

[candid panther]

Got you

Fixing Kelftop rn but it's gonna be my annoying mon

The Mon I definitely wanna keep is The septile fusion

The mons also have to be Ru

[gleaming flower]

What can counter this abomination

[quiet salmon]

ghosts

[nocturne eagle]

ghost/fairy...
fear mimikyu

[gleaming flower]

But is hochkrow hp able to tank three playroughs?

[quiet salmon]

wonder guard always sets you to 1 hp

[gleaming flower]

Oh

Forgot that

[quiet salmon]

regardless if you live you cant do anything bc ghost is immune to endeavor

[gleaming flower]

🤦‍♂️

Me stupid

[nocturne eagle]

also pray no status/sand/hail comes in either

[gleaming flower]

Yea i forgot about wonderguard always setting to 1 hp

You guys just forget i ever said anything

[nocturne eagle]

spikes, stealth rocks, toxic spikes

[vernal vale]

wait the gen 7 mons are actually crazy

everyone is goona run pex

[gusty burrow]

Due to a very strange combination, I genuinely considered Sentret for the Genlock tournament. Not Furret, Sentret

[candid panther]

Question

What would be a good moveset with this mon

I don't expect this thing to do any Damage due to having low attack stats but it's over 100 in both defenses plus Evolite

It's also not the fastest thing on the planet either

[sudden girder]

This is a wall

Sets rocks
Burn something with willow.
Painsplit is mid recovery(or rest)
Nightshade or Roar maybe?

Its a really bad wall since its weak to status and has no reliable recovery.

[candid panther]

Mmm what would you suggest I should use?

I'm only locked to Ru mons for the tournament

[sudden girder]

how about quag steelix?

unaware with those stats is a drug

Its has reliable recovery in form of.. recover (what a sentence)
Has rocks
Anchor shot to trap opponents
Encore
Scald
Yawn (Really annoying with trapping tho it does have conflicting synergy with scald)

Then Again its a wall, it just needs to stomach the hits and be a pain while its on the field.

[quiet salmon]

why anchor when you have twaves

[candid panther]

65 sp def tho😭

[sudden girder]

twas can be dodged by fliers.

and yes its special bulk is garbage.
But you have 5 slots to fill in 1 special wall.

[candid panther]

True

[sudden girder]

what other mons are you bringing?

[candid panther]

I'll send the team rq

Just testing different mons

I really like Kelftop

And Amphatile can Pop off when it's set up

[sudden girder]

Kelftop is unique to say the least. it does kinda get hard blanket by dark types atm.(maybe CC or something?)

And please dont use brick brake.
I know the screen clearing effect sound neat, but we have defog for that

As for Amp its has one very big problem called unaware.
And you have no way of dealing with an unaware wall.

[quiet salmon]

defog on a screens team⁉️

quag and klef dont fit if ur going screens u go full ho

[sudden girder]

oh right srry

to be fair I have never seen a screen team use nightshade

[candid panther]

I was thinking of adding a Mole breaker Mon but since it's only Ru and Nu I'm also trying to get the most of my stats as well

[sudden girder]

Do you wanna go stall or Ho?

or something in between?

Cause like mentioned above either Quag or espeon need to be booted out.

[candid panther]

Mmm

Between

[quiet salmon]

then kick the espeon out its not doing enough in the long run

this is a better ddancer for guts

would strongly recommend a better set for quag like scald twaves toxic recover

[sudden girder]

doesnt scald and toxic have some anti synergy?

accidently burning something you wanted to poison?

But yeah it needs recover 100%

[quiet salmon]

sometimes toxic is better than scald rolling

but you could run sr instead

[candid panther]

Mmm any other physical sweeper suggestions?

[vernal vale]

Defog doesn't clear your screens?

[quiet salmon]

no but screens = ho and ho doesnt use defog

[vernal vale]

Ah ye

I was getting flashbacks to that time i thought it did and lost cause of it

💀

How are u doing on monogen teams though

[candid panther]

That was another thing I was thinking

A Weather based Team

[sudden girder]

with what weather setter?
Neither ninetales, politoad or ttar are RU

[candid panther]

Oh 💀

Nvm then

[sudden girder]

vulpix exist I guess?

please dont tho?

[candid panther]

Only non evo Mon I would use is Dusclops

[sudden girder]

Porygon 2 is also an option

[candid panther]

True

I'm thinking of another Physical sweeper rn

[sudden girder]

and honestly you might be onto something with weather

[candid panther]

Don't want the Types clashing with each other

[sudden girder]

since no one will bring weather and you got lots of good sunabusers Vulpix might be worth it.

its definetly HO then

[candid panther]

True

What would I fuse vuplex with tho

[sudden girder]

Aerodactly?

rocks
Taunt to prevent rocks.
Red card to be switches out after takinng a hit?

if you survive that its

[sudden girder]

Scratch the card, I thought It worked differently.

You could also go ninjask, for taunt and the fastes U-Turn in existence.
And you also have Sun boosted Flareblitzes so You arent totally helpless.
(Its still a bad mon, but sun might be worth it)

[sharp sky]

That’s eject button

[sudden girder]

srry mixed these two up

[turbid imp]

ok I'll try to build a team in 50 minutes, if I don't make it, oh well, sucks for me, if I do, have fun for the opponent that's gonna obliterate me

[cinder remnant]

I just wanna ask, Do I have an overlapping gen 5 mon??

[turbid imp]

kyurem and chandelure

kyurem is gen 5 lol

[cinder remnant]

OH

FUCK

[tulip isle]

Is there any good tool to find specific type combinations with specific stat minimums?

[deft kestrel]

I...have no clue

[tulip isle]

The site by Sneed does that the closest, but it's not doing the type search well, you need to go pokemon by pokemon, and it's not updated past Lycanroc

Infinite Dex makes the search by type really easy and is the closest to what I need, but seeing stats is a pain

it also doesn't show non customs I believe?

Oh I needed to refresh

[cinder remnant]

#showdown-teambuilding message lolol

[cursive folio]

this is what we in the business like to call "foreshadowing"

[gusty burrow]

The worst part is that was before the other tournament, where I lost to Anaconja using Hail Stall

[quiet salmon]

hail stall

huge

[cinder remnant]

IKR

It just works

No one brings ice types

Most ice abilities are part ice types

and nothing but ice is immune to hail

[cinder remnant]

Question, if you wanna make aegislash hit super hard after stance change, do you EV your defense or your Atk?

[red spear]

Defense

Stance change swaps the final stats

[candid panther]

Trying to figure out what I'm missing on this team

Restricted to using RU mons btw

I'm thinking a Fast physical mon

On need to change a item too

[sudden girder]

maybe Tyrantrum and Talonflamme?
107 base speed would count as fast.
94 base is a bit depressing tbh, but Recoil less Flareblitzes Brave birds and Headsmashes kind of sweeten the deal

also Uturn

or Run Sd to take advantage of your screens

[sudden girder]

What would be better as an offensive Stealthrock setter that can spin : Tentacruel/Chomp or Cloyser/Chomp ?

[candid panther]

Mmmm

[quiet salmon]

idt sr ever goes with spin unless ur using ho

in which case cloyster has explosion so it wins

[candid panther]

Tbh I don't really need rocks

From what I seen Ru wise most mons I'm dealing with is just stat boosting

Which Topsy becomes insanely good in that situation

[candid panther]

What item you think I should run

[sudden girder]

Sd stands for Swords dance, not Stealth rock.

[sudden girder]

Probably Life orb

[sudden girder]

Why is it a bad Idea to combine Spinning and Hazard setting into one slot?
Isnt role compression something desirable?

[quiet salmon]

not when it makes you passive

[sudden girder]

what does passive mean?

Providing hazard counts as utility and clearing hazards also provides value.

I suppose not being offensivly threating could count, but would being able to pivot and keep up momentum fix the issue of passivivty?

Or in this case of cloyster / tentacruel : spamming scald to also force progress ?

[gusty burrow]

Passive means it doesn't exert much offensive pressure, allowing the opponent to switch fairly freely

[sudden girder]

I thought Passive means it doesnt make progress?

[gusty burrow]

The two are usually linked, due to the ease of recovery/status immunity of Poison Heal and/or Regen

[sudden girder]

are pivot moves passive?

I mean they dont force progress nor to they status.

and they arent offensivly threatining

[gusty burrow]

They are technically offensively threatening because they can switch in an offensive threat

[gusty burrow]

I have made a terrible discovery with the ruleset of doubles IF OU and I'm not sharing until the tournament
Nevermind I have made so many terrible discoveries what is going on in this tier

[sudden girder]

What lack of playtesting does to a tier

[gusty burrow]

Alright I now have a team, it isn't a good doubles team but it leans far too heavily into the jank I found. It won't win, but whoever sees my team preview round 1 will cower in absolute fear

[gleaming otter]

Yup
I am still surprised we went with Doubles instead of NDOU

[sudden girder]

NDOU means less cool sprites

and we cant have that

Also the fact that noone plays doubles means anyone has a good shot at getting the dub

[cinder remnant]

Im scared to know

Celebi is gonna be the IF Doubles equivalent of Geomancy Xerneas in Gen 7 VGC i can feel it

[paper pelican]

https://pokepast.es/af6fb018a23fb493

[short crystal]

Just realized that Jynx and Mr. Mime count as fully evolved mon because they got babies later

[cinder remnant]

Brother @raw sage

Have fun making DOU team tho lol

I need to go for a while

You make your team first ig

[raw sage]

Loll yee I'll start makin one!

My team for OU was already barebones so I'm just gonna repurpose it for a Doubles format, doubt It'll be good though considering I have like no doubles experience 😂

[cinder remnant]

im back

[paper pelican]

thanks for ignoring that

[cinder remnant]

~~are you referencing my message or? cuz I went to DMs ~~

[paper pelican]

what message

[cinder remnant]

what

[hasty valley]

i think they accidently posted something then deleted it

[paper pelican]

I did post something, it was a pokepaste team I made on my phone that I wanted to use on pc

and thankfully everyone ignored it

[woeful arch]

i might be being rly stupid but does monotype require no extra types but the one you're aiming for?

bc all mine share a type but its saying they dont

[quiet salmon]

bug

[red spear]

I need to fix monotype so it works with fusions sometime this weekend

wait when is Big Boss and Monotype happening?

[quiet salmon]

big boss in 2 days

monotype in 6 days iirc

[red spear]

is big boss the 24?

[quiet salmon]

yeah

[vernal vale]

@quiet salmon may i get the statspread of mew/bruxish by any chance

i am now in the loophole of how much did turn1 matter

[quiet salmon]

252+ atk/4 spd/252 spe

[vernal vale]

ye would've died

sad times

oh well

[sudden girder]

Does Infernape have any good fusions?

[gusty burrow]

Not really, it gets outclassed as a fighting type by Meloetta and a fire type by Entei.

[sudden girder]

but if those werent allowed?

[void willow]

I've seen Electivire/Infernape before for Iron Fist-boosted Plasma Fists, but its stats are really kinda subpar

[gusty burrow]

Its really not fast enough or strong enough unfortunately

[wooden lance]

https://www.fusiondex.org/artists/pedroverdan/ do you guys think any of my sprites are boss material i want to use one for fun since i dont think i can win more than 3 matches in a row

[gusty burrow]

Are you referring to the big boss tournament or regular IF OU?

[wooden lance]

big boss tourment

[gusty burrow]

Probably not, you probably want to build your team around your NFE grunts, and then have your boss fusion be your ace

Electabuzz and especially Rhydon are probably decent choices? (I really have no clue, haven't tested any teams). However, your sprites don't have them fused with anything fantastic competitive wise

[sudden girder]

what would be a better ability for a special wall : intimadate so it isnt helpless against physical opponents or levitate to increase its list of positive matchups and give it spikes and t-spikes immunity?

[cinder remnant]

The correct answer is always Regenerator

[gusty burrow]

Defensive? Regenerator.
Offensive? Regenerator.
Sash Lead? Regenerator.
Its a very good ability

[cinder remnant]

I hate the regenerator metaaaa

tbh i could just not join

[gusty burrow]

If you can't beat them, join them (Or use a stallbreaker with Substitute/Poison Heal, Regenerator mons are usually fairly passive)

[cinder remnant]

anaconja's right, we need more of those honest

its either Gliscor or nothing

Maybe im dumb, cuz i dont like playing singles, theres probably other stall breakers other than gliscor

[gusty burrow]

Gliscor is the stallbreaker and the stall

[cinder remnant]

Yea idk any other stall breakers

[short crystal]

Lay some respect on my boy Breloom's name

[cinder remnant]

no

[limpid whale]

keep breloom's name out ya damm mouth

https://tenor.com/bW6k3.gif

[short crystal]

Wrong choice I'm afraid. 252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zan: 426-504 (192.7 - 228%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[limpid whale]

focush sash/sturdy

-# if i understand how it works lol

[short crystal]

Bullet seed is a multi-hit move so that won't save you.

[limpid whale]

ahh shit

https://tenor.com/7mIs.gif

[cinder remnant]

Nu uh!

[short crystal]

Better hope you don't catch a Rock Tomb on the switch

[cinder remnant]

I'm starting to miss HDB

[short crystal]

Breloom was OU for five generations straight despite having the same BST as Lumineon, has two of the best abilities in the game, an Attack stat of 130, and Spore and Mach Punch access. My poor mushroom kangaroo just had trouble with gen 9's power leap

[cinder remnant]

Ninjask and Shedinja has always been PU, up until they appear in AG and Ubers

I think Ninjask is NU in Gen 8 once?

NU or RU, either way that's the highest he's ever been

Shedinja is an enigma where he's not good anywhere except ubers

[sudden girder]

Quagsire is above mortal tiering systems

[hexed lotus]

breloom was ou but it was allowed to use spore

[short crystal]

[hexed lotus]

breloom's biggest thing was spore

if it got a good switch on a slow mon it could threaten anything with spore

from there, either subseed with poison heal or tech mach punch/ bullet seed all over the place

[short crystal]

Ah, right, Smogon strikes again

Let me spore everything and then focus punch, cowards

[paper pelican]

i'm ready

[gusty burrow]

My team is suddenly no longer legal?

:/

[cinder remnant]

Lol

[gusty burrow]

I didn't know you could fuse with both halves of a boss, wow this tournament was not handled well

[potent jewel]

I thought it was that way as well

https://pokepast.es/6853a8dc629b24cb This was my team

[potent jewel]

I had reason for confusion though

[gusty burrow]

https://pokepast.es/283cdc0de0f85789 My Klang team, had to quickly replace my ace with Klinklang/Breloom

[short crystal]

That Tangela was giving me fits, really good team tbh

[gusty burrow]

It got absolutely deleted by Electabuzz/Garchomp, couldnt ko it

[limpid whale]

Bruh

[hexed lotus]

hey, so, I wanted to mono grass in the tournament

https://pokepast.es/dbb9dcdbed6ca752
This is what I have rn

I was doing some practice matches, I went against a gyarados meloetta, but it quickly dies to it because there's no safe switch in

Jumpkiss is there because it counters unawares really well

I fought some steel pyukumuku. It punishes unaware with seed flare, and can set up nasty plot for the others, it even recovers with strength sap, the only issue is that it's jumpluff

I'm also really afraid of fire types, so I went with chandelure and sceptile

[valid stirrup]

Is there any way to see which fusions get which special moves?

Like, I know fusions containing Stunfisk, Quagsire, and Swampert all get Thousand Waves, but I only figured that out through trial and error

[gusty burrow]

You can see the criteria on the move experts page on the wiki

[valid stirrup]

The regular infinitefusion wiki?

[gusty burrow]

Yes

[karmic whale]

my logic with the mono type was the primary type had to be the type you were using

but i guess that may be wrong, either way, im not about to draft a whole other team

the one i did already hurt my brain

[quiet salmon]

yes that bug has been fixed

[cinder remnant]

btw im excited what monotype is going to win in the end

how will people play against type disadvantage

[gusty burrow]

That's why you play mono normal, because nobody will be using mono fighting

[cinder remnant]

[hexed lotus]

What about mono ghost?

[hexed lotus]

I'm guessing water

It's just too versatile

You have access to rain and spout
3 regenerators
Scald is hard to switch into

[cinder remnant]

I wanted to go mono steel but im scared of Mold Breaker V Create

[hexed lotus]

I wanted to go grass
But I can't deal with a Gyarados meloetta

Much less entei v create spam

[hexed lotus]

I guess I'm going mono steel

Because I think ferrothorns iron barbs is one of the best abilities in the game

And because he's bulky

Unlike garchomp
Who usually goes offense

[cinder remnant]

i was thinking of mono normal because it's just a safe bet

[hexed lotus]

You get things like snorcor and ursanite

[cinder remnant]

yea

Thats why i asked "what can i do to recreate ursaring" in general

[hexed lotus]

Snorcor

But that's basically it

I'm surprised there aren't more moves like seed flare

Powerful moves you don't really want to stay in for

[sudden girder]

Mono Flying could also be interesting

[quiet salmon]

saying iron barbs is one of the best abils when compared to all the abils is crazy

[cinder remnant]

too risky ngl

https://tenor.com/view/xplosion-uranus101-supernova-asteroids-space-rocks-gif-21637556

in a meta with no heavy duty boots

[sudden girder]

Oh it is risky, but flying is a pretty good type ngl.
You also have access to lots of good fusions

[gusty burrow]

You're never going to have a 100% accurate move

[snow pike]

brave bird

[gusty burrow]

That doesn't have recoil

[sudden girder]

Reckless Brave bird?

or rain hurricane?

[muted nimbus]

reckless doesnt remove recoil

rock head or magic guard does

theres a lot of stupid shit you can do with magic guard too

this is prolly ma favorite
Jifable (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Steel
Fusion: Clefable
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Light of Ruin
• Steel Beam
• Calm Mind
• Aura Sphere

sadly steel beam is limited to natdex, but this thing is still allowed in OU

[paper pelican]

are you allowed to switch up teams in a tournament?

[quiet salmon]

yes

[hexed lotus]

no recovery?

[muted nimbus]

except for leftovers, no

Prolly needs wish support

[gusty burrow]

Its not bulky enough to rely exclusively on teammates using wish (unless you mean swapping out a move for wish)

[snow pike]

clefable has ssoft boiled

[minor cradle]

https://pokepast.es/2a7976eb1dd9383a

What should I do to improve it or is it fine enough as it is 🤔

[sudden girder]

Its a really good team, but do I have some gripes with it.

Mostly the driftstar, I can see what you were going for an unkillable gremlin that spams knocks, scalds and spikes while keeping itself topped up and healthy with strenght sap.

But those stats are just difficult to work with as its neither bulky to tank hits nor fast enough heal before being attacked.

I am also noticing a distinct lack of Stealth rock and Hazard removal.
The both arent mandatory per say, but I does come with the question if what you are bringing has more value than rocks and Spin/defog.

Maybe Rhyperior/Gliscor instead of Driftstar?
Its a physical wall, keeps momentum can absorb knocks, can absorb status and sets rocks while also pivoting and being a sudo regen mon.

Hazards you will still find difficult to remove, but with 2 regen, one poison heal, and one magic guard hazards shouldnt be that much of a pain point.

I would also give latios sludge bomb instead of knock.

[minor cradle]

ngl i got driftstar cause i just wanted a spiker that wasnt weak to rocks or fire or fighting lmao

i didnt bring hazard removal cause hazard removal is so fraud in dex ou plus i got a mguard mon, 2 regens and a levitate mon so that would be good enough...

https://pokepast.es/ba47434154a4e85c

ehhh minor change

[gusty burrow]

Hazard removal is still important with regen mons, the one thing I've learnt is that triple spikes and rocks destroy passive walls over time

[minor cradle]

yeah ik but im not gonna bother trying to go for those stupidly long games

too lazy to use stall

[clever folio]

Hello , someone can help me? I need to build a grass monotype team to Battle a friend Who has a psychic team , any strategies or ideas?

[sudden girder]

Is it the rules Of IF OU or is there some other special bans to be aware of?

[sudden girder]

if you are running Chandelure/Celebi I would suggest running signal beam on it, since the only way a psychic can resist Ghost is with dark or normal.

[clever folio]

Its on ag , and i cant use legendaries

[sudden girder]

so you can use weather strats? In that case bring sun and sun abusers

[minor cradle]

If its AG just get 6 mimikyu fusions lol

[gleaming flower]

Would you guys rate my team i made during my casual plathrough?
It probably is pretty bad since I just used the Pokémon i found without a randomizer.

[quiet salmon]

sure

[gleaming flower]

Cleftrio (Clefairy) @ Eviolite
Ability: Arena Trap
Fusion: Dugtrio
EVs: 80 HP / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Encore
• Cosmic Power
• Moonblast
• Earth Power

Klinkchamp (Klinklang) @ Focus Sash
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Machamp
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dynamic Punch
• Gear Grind
• Stone Edge
• Shift Gear

Pikageot (Pikachu) @ Light Ball
Ability: Lightning Rod
Fusion: Pidgeot
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Volt Tackle
• Brave Bird
• U-turn
• Brick Break

Gensian (Gengar) @ King's Rock
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Persian
Alt: d
EVs: 252 SpA / 200 Spe

• Fake Out
• Swift
• Ominous Wind
• Dazzling Gleam

Buttertoise (Butterfree) @ Leftovers
Ability: Compound Eyes
Fusion: Blastoise
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Quiver Dance
• Pollen Puff
• Blizzard
• Hydro Pump

Arcavern (Arcanine) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Noivern
EVs: 76 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 176 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Boomburst
• Dragon Pulse
• Flamethrower
• Morning Sun

Sry for the delay

My Connection was cut for some reason

[tawdry night]

Lily (Ferrothorn) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Flash Fire
Fusion: Ninetales
EVs: 108 HP / 252 Def / 144 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Leech Seed
• Dark Pulse
• Iron Defense
• Calm Mind

NicoShis (Nidoking) (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Crabhammer
• Dragon Tail
• Facade
• Swords Dance

Cookiez (Empoleon) @ Choice Band
Ability: Defiant
Fusion: Lucario
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Bashful Nature

• Water Shuriken
• Extreme Speed
• Circle Throw
• Bullet Punch

Rib (Infernape) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unnerve
Fusion: Tyranitar
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature

• Crunch
• Close Combat
• Dragon Dance
• Dragon Claw

Say (Haxorus) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Mold Breaker
Fusion: Aegislash
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Gentle Nature

• Spectral Thief
• Earthquake
• Hone Claws
• Flash Cannon

Pory (Porygon-Z) @ Leftovers
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Kyurem
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blizzard
• Agility
• Tri Attack
• Ice Beam

can anyone tell me if this is a good team or not?

im relatively new to teambuilding

[quiet salmon]

https://pokepast.es/ can you paste it in here so i can see it better

@gleaming flower too

[tawdry night]

ok i pasted it on there now

[quiet salmon]

then paste the link here

[tawdry night]

https://pokepast.es/f3e02c135ba020ae

[gleaming flower]

I didn’t know that worked with fusion tbh😅

[tawdry night]

its not

its my team

[gleaming flower]

Sry

@tawdry night How did you save your team? I can only paste them in

[tawdry night]

go to export on pokeathlon

[finite sigil]

what is a good speed breakpoint in base speed for a fast sweeper?

[versed lodge]

Breklang (Breloom) @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Klinklang
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature

• Bullet Seed
• Mach Punch
• Shift Gear
• Gear Grind

Joltvire (Jolteon) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Vital Spirit
Hidden Power: Grass
Fusion: Electivire
EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpA / 128 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Parabolic Charge
• Thunderbolt
• Hidden Power [Grass]
• Volt Switch

Tentagross (Tentacruel) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Fusion: Metagross
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD

• Baneful Bunker
• Toxic Spikes
• Rapid Spin
• Zen Headbutt

Skarmagius (Skarmory) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Mismagius
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 24 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Shadow Ball
• Flash Cannon
• Power Gem

Hawlxorus (Hawlucha) @ Figy Berry
Ability: Unburden
Fusion: Haxorus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Brick Break
• Power-Up Punch
• Thunder Punch
• Dragon Claw

Arcagrigus (Arcanine) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Cofagrigus
EVs: 128 HP / 252 Def / 128 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Flamethrower
• Grass Knot
• Will-O-Wisp

could use some opinions on this team

I was making a UU team

[quiet salmon]

ill look at the teams later

[quiet salmon]

got a couple interesting ideas in arena trap and light ball but for those to be legal to play in showdown youd have to play ag which means you have to wrangle with 680 bst legendaries idk if youre fine with that

[quiet salmon]

an overall comment about the team is that you want to have at least one stab move on each mon (with a few exceptions but theyre niche)

to get into the mons themselves, ferrothorn/ninetales is not frail enough to warrant using a sash, and ninetales doesnt donate adequate stats to ferrothorn to make it the wall it wants to be (what ferro wants most is to have reliable, 50% recovery)

if you want to have a bulky grass mon with cm i would suggest something like suicune/gliscor - poison heal means it heals every turn similar to leech seed while also protecting from status

thatd mean removing the nidoking gliscor but franky i dont see it doing much with poison flying but no stab

a bulky poison you can consider is toxapex/tyranitar for a regenerator poison/dark which makes it pretty good into special attackers especially with assault vest

empoleon lucario is supposed to be a revenge killer but its lacking offensive typing and attack means its doing very little outside of it, i would suggest something like bisharp/scizor or dragonite/ursaring for sucker punch and bullet punch and extreme speed respectively

infernape/ttar is intended as a ddance sweeper but unfortunately ttar's mediocre speed greatly cuts into that niche, and infernape is outclassed by entei due to entei have sacred fire and v-create

because of this i would suggest using entei/haxorus or entei/garchomp, the former for mold breaker to ignore unaware and the latter for a better double stab that allows it to hit opposing fire-types

haxorus/aegislash has very lacking power due to aegislash's paltry 50 atk and the fact that you chose mold breaker over stance change which would swap its atk and def, there seems to be some semblance of a defensive set with rocky helmet and spectral thief so i think something like salamence/doublade would be a better idea to keep spectral thief while adding a ton of bulk (+eviolite), intimidate, roost for recovery, and defog to remove hazards

finally porygon-z seems to be a special attacker with speed but its inability to hit steels for significant damage is crippling

idk if you want to keep porygon but if you do then something like jolteon would be the best bet because it has a stab that hits most steels for neutral damage and volt switch to capitalize on forced switches

[quiet salmon]

first thing ill say is that you always want to have a non-neutral nature in like 99.9% of cases

uu is a very new meta so i can only give limited advice on the sets themselves

breloom may be promising but mach punch is an ineffective coverage against steels and id much rather use superpower instead, also typically if you want some kind of healing leftovers is the most consistent

joltvire is kind of just worse jolteon due to lower spa and spe which were jolteon's biggest traits, the best thing to do for it is to expand its lacking coverage with something like togekiss, espeon, glaceon, or magmortar

tentacruel offers pretty good utility (though assault vest prevents you from using tspikes or bunker) but i would want it to have reliable recovery so i advise you to fuse it with skarmory instead

giving it good bulk and roost and a better stab in brave bird

also baneful bunker is typically mediocre except on poison heal and/or wish sets due to it being exploited by the opponent clicking setup on the turn you protect

skarmagius is very inefficient with its stats because you can see it has lower bst than either of its fusees

magnezone/mismagius is a much better pick due to the much higher special attack

and mismagius benefits greatly from exploiting its access to nasty plot to break through unaware with moongeist beam (which outclasses shadow ball so you dont need it on the same set)

[versed lodge]

ok so with breloom I have technian which is why I chose mach punch is that still unnessicary?

[quiet salmon]

the problem is that it still only hits 60 bp

[versed lodge]

oh ok

[quiet salmon]

superpower hits 120

hawlucha/haxorus would be a decent idea (with the replacement of brick break for hjk and poweruppunch for sd) but is really saddled by the existence of the greatest revenge killer in sylveon/lucario so i would advise against using it and would instead use something like metagross/hawlucha which resists its pixilate espeed

that set would use something like meteor mash/acrobatics/sd/encore with flying gem for easy unburden proccing

arcanine/cofagrigus is actually a very good check to sylveon/lucario and i commend you for it because i hadnt thought of that before, that being said it definitely wants recovery in morning sun over grass knot most likely

and replace vest for leftovers

[versed lodge]

ok

I didnt know what was super popular either lol but went with a UU team to start out

[minor cradle]

https://pokepast.es/f88738cbc1b91859 anything that should be fixed in this 0_0

[quiet salmon]

https://pokepast.es/deb3a8a2bd8168b7 the team id use btw though i realize now that it might be a bit weak to boltbeam

[minor cradle]

what would be a good boltbeam pokemon in uu anyways 🤔

[quiet salmon]

glaceon jolteon

[quiet salmon]

this team has a reaaaally hard time against steels

[minor cradle]

thats faster then i expected

[minor cradle]

uhhh what if i give steelix milotic like earthpower over scald/roar

[quiet salmon]

its an option ig idk if it 2hkos sylveonlucario though

btw dragon/steel is a primarily spd typing and in this meta id almost always go def on water/ground

[minor cradle]

i mean scald screws it up good enough anyways...

and i have the cofagrigus togekiss for that too

could drop serene grace for mummy to screw up sylvlucario more

[minor cradle]

so make the latias bastio into spdef and milo steelix pdef?

[quiet salmon]

if you get unlucky it can sd double edge you

[quiet salmon]

yeah

[minor cradle]

ok i'll just get mummy on the

togekiss cofagrigus

[quiet salmon]

oh right encore seems v bad on this bc its so slow

[minor cradle]

https://pokepast.es/1330af84abcf11e2

[quiet salmon]

if you want a setup check you should use haze instead

[minor cradle]

idk what to put in last slot tbh

oh it has haze

[quiet salmon]

haze or wisp is good

[minor cradle]

i'll just use haze, idt i need more passive damage

[quiet salmon]

its less for passive dmg and more for atk cutting

[minor cradle]

yeah but i think my team has enough physical bulk for that

probably....

[quiet salmon]

well only one way to find out

[minor cradle]

real lol

[versed lodge]

X want to have a match?

[minor cradle]

sure

user?

[versed lodge]

rudderick

[minor cradle]

@versed lodge can you send it to me im using a vpn so i cant send the chall

[versed lodge]

what is your user

[minor cradle]

hadesrfx

you can scroll through the lobby room user list

locked people are in the bottom xp

[quiet salmon]

oh ur hades

[minor cradle]

yeah

[versed lodge]

I have to make some fixes sorry

[minor cradle]

k

[versed lodge]

I was not expecting this arcanine to be this good lol

gg

[minor cradle]

gg

[versed lodge]

yeah I think arcanine was the best one I had just need to tweak others

that fairy ghost type gave me a lot of issues

[quiet salmon]

main problem being your most special defensive wall being weak to ghost

and having no ghost resist

[versed lodge]

that thing never attacked me though lol

[quiet salmon]

btw magmortar/jolteon has much better stats than jolteon/magmortar

particularly speed

[versed lodge]

oh ok

[quiet salmon]

you can check easily by clicking the swap button

itll swap body and head

[versed lodge]

just did

tweaks made now time to find another match

[quiet salmon]

id play but i dont have my uu teams on this computer

[versed lodge]

all good

[versed lodge]

did you want to look at an OU team idea I was working on

[quiet salmon]

sure

[versed lodge]

how do I use that website you were using before?

[versed lodge]

https://pokepast.es/5269f50cae097297

I tried getting good coverage

[quiet salmon]

if ur gonna use nidoking u gotta make use of sheer force and special moves thats what its known for (common head fusions are togekiss, moltres, zapdos/raikou/jolteon)

not sure what the idea behind mewtales is

if ur gonna introduce sand you basically have to build around it (basically by using a sand rush user)

suicor is definitely suited to being a physical wall that clicks scald, roost, uturn, defog/sr/knock/toxic

regigar is definitely inefficient in stats bc gengar has low atk/def while registeel has low spa, you should choose if you want bulk or power bc rn you dont really have either

hyfable is ok if not a little lacking (life orb massively outperforms expert belt due to the recoil negated by magic guard), if you want a magic guard then id highly advise something like clefable/mew for quiver dance or alakazam/electrode for mind blown and volt switch

[versed lodge]

I was going for bulk with it

[quiet salmon]

then you should try jirachi/weezing instead, same typing with recovery and high def

and uturn

[versed lodge]

hmm ok

[gleaming flower]

Would you guys rate my team i made during my casual plathrough?
It probably is pretty bad since I just used the Pokémon i found without a randomizer.
I managed to upload onto pokepaste.

[minor cradle]

I mean sure, Do you just wanna know if it's bad or something or wanna try to improve it a bit or?

[gleaming flower]

I already think it isn’t too great but if you have suggestions for the Pokémon that would be great

Just no replacing Pokémon

https://pokepast.es/02cb107e95bc70f1

I think especially Arcvern could use some improvement

[minor cradle]

A kind of Magic (Clefairy) (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Arena Trap
Fusion: Dugtrio
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Encore
• Calm Mind
• Moonblast
• Earth Power

a minor suggestion, since its main goal is to trap and than encore setup you could run it like this

although the current one is also fine

[gleaming flower]

I originally had minimize but it was too unreliable

[minor cradle]

you could give pikachu-pidgeot zippy zap > volt tackle if you dont like the recoil, or above brick break since brick break doesn't do much yknow

knock off is also a fine move but if its ingame def not needed

the gengar/persian could run a diff item and run like nasty plot

the butterfree blastoise seems fine, but you could consider running sleep powder or switching its fusions around

cause flying stab from hurricane is better than bug stab

for noivern arcanine ig u can switch item run like draco/uturn/flame/morning sun if you want

boomburst isnt rly needed tbh unless choiced or smth

[snow pike]

If this is for OU, trapping, boomburst and light ball are banned

[snow pike]

is this a good set to sub for randbats

This one would probably be high level, but there needs to be more hazard removal

And this one is more of a meme (probably wont add this one)

Not sure what I was thinking with this one

[quiet salmon]

these are not cooking

[snow pike]

even the wailord is still better than 50% of sets
speaking of, almost every stored power set in randbats is useless, they should do something about that
that was not an excuse to complain about the stored power sets

[cinder remnant]

anaconja is like that one asian dad who's never impressed by his kids in terms of showdown

youre just never good enough

😔

[snow pike]

the hesitance to post sets at all is real

[cinder remnant]

It do be like that

[cinder remnant]

I kinda want to make this work so bad

[quiet salmon]

worse tyranbi imo

[cinder remnant]

what do you think fits for a good sand team?

[quiet salmon]

sand setter with pivoting + sandslash fusion + something to hit fat unawares/grasses + defensive core that can take sand chip well

[cinder remnant]

im having trouble with the grasses, any examples?

[quiet salmon]

examples of grasses or stuff that hits them

[cinder remnant]

stuff that hits them

[quiet salmon]

basically fires

entei/melop although its chipped by sand

alakazam/electrode is good too

nidoking fusions work p good too

[deft arch]

how would this be as a randbats set

[umbral solar]

what are the standard nido fusions?

[quiet salmon]

togekiss, moltres/zapdos/raikou/jolteon to a lesser extent

[quiet salmon]

relatively good considering the sets ive seen but tinted lens ghost is kinda weird considering only one type resists ghost

[mighty yoke]

jolteon nidoking is busted

[umbral solar]

what is good about togeking

[mighty yoke]

serene grace and better coverage

• fairy ground typing

immune to electric and dragon moves

i would suggest air slash, earth power, sludge wave and one of these 3. (thunderbolt/ice beam/flamethrower)

and choice scarf

max speed and special attack

modest nature

[umbral solar]

wait so you run serene grace?

[mighty yoke]

yes

[quiet salmon]

wtf serene grace

use sf

[umbral solar]

yeah

[mighty yoke]

earth power has 40% chance to lower special defense

with sg

[umbral solar]

non stab air slash is kinda wack

[quiet salmon]

no its 20%

[umbral solar]

at least it sounds that way

[quiet salmon]

if ur not using sf dont use nidoking

[mighty yoke]

20% normally i think

[quiet salmon]

no its 10%

[mighty yoke]

oh my bad

sorry

[quiet salmon]

np

[umbral solar]

gound/fairy/fire is perfect coverage no?

er electric not fire

best ttar fusion for sand purposes?

[tame blaze]

I wonder how good Greninja fusions can be

[mighty yoke]

keeps typing, ability, allows mixed sets, and is 2 base stats higher than other pseudos

[quiet salmon]

celebi for p good defensive typing and uturn

[deft arch]

its more tinted lens flying

[quiet salmon]

maybe but then hydreigon better

[loud eagle]

You can’t put hymega into randbats, that’s just not fair

[hexed lotus]

I like using gengar

Look at your team and ask what can take a shadow ball earth power combo

[gusty burrow]

Togekiss/Nidoking is probably the best Nidoking fusion, ground/fairy is insane

[hexed lotus]

there's a lot of levitating steels though

[gusty burrow]

You have 2 open moves for Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Nasty Plot

[hexed lotus]

yup

[gusty burrow]

Snorcor immunity detected

[hexed lotus]

fair

Well, you can still put in ice beam

and it's not like snorcor will threaten you much in return

ok it can toxic

[gusty burrow]

Snorcor usually runs knock off

The stallbreaker set at least, it runs SD/Facade/Roost/Knock

[hexed lotus]

good point

[hexed lotus]

I was using ursanite and the other guy had a nidolure, which meant I couldn't espeed it

[umbral solar]

How does this look for a rain structure? Looking for a last as well

https://pokepast.es/6317ef7eb22549e0

[hexed lotus]

your polithorn has no healing

[hexed lotus]

How would you answer alakazode

[umbral solar]

Regibi, no?

[hexed lotus]

it has mind blown

[umbral solar]

Oh wtf

That’s disgusting

[hexed lotus]

yes

both vcreate entei and alakazam are very hard to deal with

[umbral solar]

Hmmm what are answers to that thing?

[hexed lotus]

to alakazam?

[sudden girder]

Pursuit trappers or Priority revenge killers

Since most alakazams run Lifeorb over stash

[hexed lotus]

yeah, toxitar

[umbral solar]

Ooh interesting

[hexed lotus]

it's also kinda weird having natural cure on regibi because it doesn't really need it

it's immune to toxic, and paralysis and burn don't really hinder it

not to mention you can have a very similar mon with jirachi tangrowth

[umbral solar]

Yeah that makes sense

[hexed lotus]

you also have no hazard removal

I could stack spikes on you all day

[umbral solar]

Not true

[hexed lotus]

oh yeah

you're right

[umbral solar]

Is leech seed advisable on polithorn

[hexed lotus]

it's not supposed to stay, but I guess It can go in, set weather, leech seed and leave

[umbral solar]

what are the common politoed fusions?

[pseudo heron]

Probably Politoed + Jirachi

Is the most common

Then Politoed Celebi

[quiet salmon]

you mean jirachi politoed

[pseudo heron]

Yeh

Who ever one has the better typing 💀

[sudden girder]

who is considered to be the best revengekiller atm?
Ursanite?
Entei/Meloetta?
Alakazm/Elekrode?

Or perhaps sonething else entirely?
(Gen7 IF OU)

[void willow]

Ursanite and Sylnite are both great, but honestly any scarfer with decent Atk/SpA and relatively good base speed (ideally >96 base Spe to outspeed the common Hymega) will do

Atk is probably preferable to SpA since it gives you an easier time against QD users

[gray garnet]

is hugepower regigas bad

[short crystal]

Huge power is banned, I believe

[quiet salmon]

in ag its like fine

you need to give up a bunch of moveslots to cover the most common shed types though

and v hard to improof unless you build around shed

[minor cradle]

https://pokepast.es/44d7f01715a639a8 how much did i burn the kitchen 🔥

assume cursola diancie is min speed so now how much did i burn the kitchen

[quiet salmon]

the moment tr goes down you kinda just die to offensive pressure innit

only recourse is sash primarina

[minor cradle]

i burnt the kitchen 🔥

[gleaming flower]

I need a counter for shedinja/ferroseed with substitute up

[quiet salmon]

whirlwind + hazards

mold breaker/mold breaker moves

fire moves

[gleaming otter]

Ability: Regenerator  
Tera Type: Fairy  
Fusion: Alomomola  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD  
Sassy Nature  
- Scald  
- Knock Off  
- Flip Turn  
- Moonblast```

[quiet salmon]

why not just use clefpex

[gleaming otter]

significantly less bulky on the spdef side + I prefer to not use av on clefpex

also

clefpex doesn't have a pivoting move with assault vest

[quiet salmon]

fairy water as ur regenvest is kinda sus anyway considering the power of elec mons/sf/eshot users

[gleaming otter]

clodsire/swampert fusion in another team slot to fight back against those

[quiet salmon]

why swampert

for flip i assume

still loses to ice beam/ep coverage

[snow pike]

what pokemon get fleur cannon
is it fairy + psychic type

[quiet salmon]

sylveon and gardevoir i believe

[snow pike]

this thing gets no moves

[snow pike]

i know mew gets it too but maybe only with a fairy

[gleaming otter]

if it's not an electroc/ice fusion type a clodsire fusion should be bulky enough to tank an ice type attack

[gleaming otter]

Ability: Protean  
Fusion: Greninja  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Nasty Plot  
- Earth Power  
- Ice Beam  
- Substitute```

you can run a lot of moves over sub but ground/ice covers p much everything

[wooden lance]

oh yeah the second best protean user came to the game

[wooden lance]

after kecleon

[gleaming otter]

true

[snow pike]

sub 4hp makes me think sub salac or something

I wanna try something stupid with skill swap to kill snorcor cuz funny

[gleaming otter]

to kill snorcor you just click ice beam

wait

nah ice beam kills nvm
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Protean Hydreigon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 517-611 (110.9 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[snow pike]

i meant on my own sets

i would never invest into offensive stats

[hexed lotus]

I've been thinking, I can do a dynamic punch/ pursuit set

having machamp just punch, and having like a toxitar catch the catch

[quiet salmon]

dynamic punch is not that good

just use like ursaring melop or something

[hexed lotus]

it feels kind of unwallable though
Even if it's not very effective, you get confused

[quiet salmon]

with a 66% to still move

[hexed lotus]

it's 66%? not 50?

[quiet salmon]

it got changed since like gen 7

[hexed lotus]

I guess that's balanced

[quiet salmon]

and really how much can you get out of ng machamp

i dont see much power coming from that unless orb or band

[hexed lotus]

130 attack is a lot of power stab with a 100 base power move is plenty of power, but the point was that you'd get confused

but honestly it's not that good

especially with that confusion nerf

[quiet salmon]

sounds underwhelming to me tbh

[sudden girder]

I wonder if Infernape Roserade for some nasty plot into Technican boosted Vacumwave action would be viable?

you probably get hard walled by ttar/pex

[quiet salmon]

basically

as well as like fairies and ghosts

[sudden girder]

to be fair this fusion can punish reactive switching by laying spikes and Uturning out...

but it just lacks that the Bs I feel like

[quiet salmon]

then you gotta spend moveslots on those instead of coverage/stab

[sudden girder]

How dumb of an Idea is it to run purify with knock off in order to cripple all the guts and poison heal fusions?

[quiet salmon]

it was a smbh strat but pyuk is pretty bad besides that small niche

[gusty burrow]

It's a bulky water with unaware, it's not bad

[sudden girder]

what does smbh mean?

[void willow]

Probably Sun/Moon Balanced Hackmons

[sudden girder]

that makes sense

[zealous cave]

is gliscor head on goli body the first half decently statted water/ground gliscor fusion or am i forgetting some secret sauce

[sudden girder]

Surely Delphox can be used to create an OU worthy fusion, right?

[quiet salmon]

why use it over a different fire or psychic

[sudden girder]

I got nothing, besides trying out the 'new' mons?

Hence why I am asking here

[sudden girder]

mystical fire sounds cool

[quiet salmon]

lacks the utility that quag has

no scald no sr no twaves

additionally its def focused so it has to be the body meaning you cant fuse with stat sticks like steelix

well you can youd just be worse quaglix

[gusty burrow]

I've been running Pyukulix as my entei hard wall (until Lurantis dropped), I forgot there was another unaware water

[umbral solar]

are superman style teams viable? mguard/flying spam

[quiet salmon]

probably not

i have run a superman team in nd but its just boots spam

[umbral solar]

something like clef/registeel, gliscor/x, zam/electrode, tang/ferro, cress/mew, suicune/pex? regen is essentially spikes immunity

also, what is the best entei/lurantis answer? mence/doublade? idk seems like boosting its attack and then getting knocked off sucks hard

[quiet salmon]

+1 knock only does 37 and knock is hard to fit when the last slot competes with sub/synth

that being said the best check being an intim that relies on item is kinda dumb

and a reason to suspect contrary/vcreate (poll is trending vcreate btw)

[umbral solar]

gotcha, that makes sense

speaking of the poll, i saw in the weather section that blastoise/jolteon is a good rain pick? does rain dish make it that good? it seems fairly lackluster power-wise

[gusty burrow]

It gets Water Spout

[umbral solar]

ohp

duh

[sterile glacier]

Yeah, considering how this is hardly the first time V-Create has caused problems in the meta, I don't think it's Contrary that's the problem.

[main gorge]

What is the best electric pokemon for competitive?

[quiet salmon]

id probably say zapdos

idt electric mons are v good though

[sudden girder]

Electrode is fun when fused with Alakazm since it gets magic guard Mind blown, weak to pursuit tho.

[quiet salmon]

that doesnt make electrode the best elec mon though cause its only limited to zam

[bitter sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/99ec2be6f6c074ff
may as well get this team looked at
hit 1400s with it, though given the sparsely populated ladder idk if that means anything

quaglix used to be pyukumuku/garchomp

but i saw discussion around quaglix and wanted to try it out

[quiet salmon]

hello superior serperior

i see your goodra bias hasnt changed

i understand the idea behind kyurem/aurorus but i think the speed is way too slow to function as gen8 kyurem

[snow pike]

golisopod has very high defense and good special defense and is water as a body, interesting

[quiet salmon]

yes its an effective body as a water spiker

[snow pike]

oh dang it has spikes

i auto assume spike mons only get it in gen 8 or 9 lol

no emergency exit golisopod is automatically so mucg better but it being a water type with spikes is also very good

[bitter sentinel]

Nope!
I wanna at least try to make it work viably

[bitter sentinel]

Yeah, I find it too slow to really set up sub anywhere. No boots definitely doesn't help...
What would I replace it with, if anything?
Or does it just need to be faster?

[quiet salmon]

not gonna be viable bc latios just outclasses it

toxreon + quaglix make this team too passive imo it looks like you smashed a stall team with a bulky offense and it doesnt mesh

steel psychic is super awkward as a defensive typing and the core can get blown open by the recent lurantis entei or stuff like rain teams

[bitter sentinel]

I assume pyukuchomp isn't much better in that regard...
Alright then, what would make the team less passive?

[bitter sentinel]

Yeah
Yeah rain seems like an issue
I like the levitate aspect because you aren't taking uh
Spikes
And ground immunity
With Steel's defensive presence
But I could probably find a better typing combo than psychic, yes
I think the main issue was hazard removal that wasn't a momentum sink?

[bitter sentinel]

Most likely, but defensive is also outclassed for the most part

[unreal copper]

first time making a team can i get opinions https://pokepast.es/c6d0bab63c97f9a2

[unreal copper]

well im gonna replace knock off on toxapex with sludge wave but other than that

[quiet salmon]

struggling to think of a niche for cradily bc its basically outclassed by celebi

just to get some things out of the way lurantis/entei greatly wants max spe to outspeed things at +1, and band is p unnecessary (esp if ur running mixed which idt is a good idea)

i vastly prefer lefties for a bit of healing and ability to switch atks

ampharos pz is likely too slow to work, ive used ampharos zam which is alright (has photon to go through unaware too)

ok i have the idea of making it a sun team with ninetales cradily bc cradily has the niche of being the slowest grass mon with recovery and sr

[quiet salmon]

more dynamic walls, using uturn and having more offensive presence other than clicking toxic or a weak stab move

[bitter sentinel]

Dynamic walls?

[quiet salmon]

defensive pivots or specthief users or walls that do good dmg

[bitter sentinel]

Instead of passive sit there walls, ok

[bitter sentinel]

What gets specthief anyway

[quiet salmon]

aegislash line, gengar line, banette line, giratina

[bitter sentinel]

Alright

[bitter sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/04ae8ab335e3be52
i did a bit of toying around but i'm generally lost as to what i should be running defensively

[quiet salmon]

you basically need insurance against:

• vcreate ddancers
• rain
• sandslash haxorus in sand
• ursaring dnite/snorlax gliscor
• sylveon dnite
• hydreigon yanmega and other qd users
• lurantis entei

[bitter sentinel]

i see

[urban reef]

yo what you guys think of this?

[unreal copper]

ok imma try making sun team

[quiet salmon]

theorymonned this during bigboss before legends were banned to use on fes but it uh exists

isnt its atk higher than its spa though youll have a much better time with that

[sudden girder]

What are some fusions that can take on the most popular QD users? (clef/mew, Yanmega/Hydreigon and celebi/Chandelure)
Particullary one that doesnt use unaware clef?

Tox/ttar works on the first and last one but is set up fodder for the middle one

[bitter sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/c603cd3468c8bec8
a lot of reworking later
saw slowphan being used by someone i faced so i wanted to use it
i can't decide on evs tho, mixed is probably bad

ttar is better than bre here pretty much so i used that with pex

clefnine is meant to be my answer to uh

lurantis/entei

but i don't know what moveset to give it specifically

lum berry over pixie plate on sylv to get a one time freebie on burns/Toxic
and Goodra is bias

[urban reef]

yeah but then theres burn haha

[bitter sentinel]

jimory is a little passive tbh but i wouldn't know what to replace it with

[quiet salmon]

just dont get burned simple as

[bitter sentinel]

any team advice?

in hindsight i could replace mismag with gengar
it does get levitate

or scarf uh
chand

[sudden girder]

2 Questions :

One what is Jirachi/Skarm suppossed to do

Two why did you EV Toxitar the way you did? Any specific things you wish to live?

[bitter sentinel]

Before I added slowphan they were my defogger
And was primarily meant to be a ground immune steel
Toxitar's EVs were actually the same reason I ran mixed bulk slowphan
I didn't know which to invest in so I let showdown distribute it more evenly with that feature they added

[sudden girder]

May I suggest Registeel/Moltres instead of Jirachi/Skarm?

Its a steel immune to ground (ignore thousand arrows) and has purpose as a defensive pivot and Contact punisher with its flame body

[bitter sentinel]

That certainly works, yes
Being able to do stuff beyond defog is very nice
I'll try that out

[sudden girder]

As for EV's its generally better in singles to fully comit to one side of the spectrum so you can actually handle threats of the same side of said spectrum.

[bitter sentinel]

Fair enough.
I'm just not sure which to go for

On either mon

I typically make my water/grounds spdef but toxitar is usually spdef and it feels a little redundant?

[sudden girder]

Usually water grounds are phys def to help them be a V-Create absorber

[bitter sentinel]

The more notorious v-creator I've faced has grass typing anyway though

But sure

I can make tox full spdef then too

[bitter sentinel]

But uh...
May as well also ask
What do you think is a good fusion for Goodra on this team?
It's currently fused with chandelure but I wonder if there's something better

I'm aware it's mostly outclassed but I do wanna have some fun with the team comp and everything else feels very solid already

[sudden girder]

What role do you want goodra to fullfill?

[sudden girder]

Now that I think about it, I once used Goodra with gliscor to abuse Goodras insane special bulk with Gliscors recovery.

then again paring any defensive mon with gliscor usually improves it

Offensively maybe Greninja/Goodra could work?
Combining Ninjas high speed and Protean with Goodras solid Spa in combination and insane movepool it gets as a dragon doesnt sound horrible.

Dragon dark leaves thing desired as a defensive typing however

[bitter sentinel]

offensive?
i have a very nice defensive core already

[sudden girder]

Goodra combined with ninja or gengar?

[bitter sentinel]

sure, i could try that

[bitter sentinel]

what moveset?
i was thinking sludge wave, draco, but the rest is unclear
water shuriken?
and i definitely don't know what to use for the 4th slot

[sudden girder]

Ninja might struggle in terms of power as it has no boosting options and only 107 spa

[sudden girder]

Watershuriken allows you to not be revenge killed by Entei meloetta.
(If enough hit)

[bitter sentinel]

is specs too slow?

[sudden girder]

maybe uturn on 4th moveM

[sudden girder]

Well protean strenght comes from switching moves

[bitter sentinel]

true...
too used to gen 9 protean

https://pokepast.es/1fa1a6e15844536a

[bitter sentinel]

i think i'll just experiment with it some more

[sudden girder]

Quick question.

If arcanine/Clef is supposed to 1v1 Lurantis/Entei...
why is its Spd and not physdef.
Also wouldnt unaware help more in that case in comparrision to Magicguard?
(Dont get me wrong a fire type that switches into Rocks for free is awesome)

[bitter sentinel]

i've been debating that, yeah.
i feel like spdef is more useful overall but physdef is better for disrupting lurantis

it should probably be physdef

[bitter sentinel]

the problem is mostly taking that 25 every single time if i can't get rocks off
it really adds up

[sudden girder]

I seem to struggle against sun.
Any ideas on what fusion are anti sun?
(I would say Waterdragons but those are kinda dont work when many popular Sun abusers are also dragon typing)

[echo shadow]

water fairy??

anything that sets up rain is good

[quiet salmon]

waterground

[bitter sentinel]

ok so
i may run unaware
but it really does suck that one of the few typings that resists fire/grass is rocks weak without boots
i may just run a different mon entirely

[sudden girder]

I meant a non weather fusion that has a positive match up against sun and its common abusers.

So Fire/Grass/Electric Dragon

[echo shadow]

fair enough

[void willow]

I've never used it before but I've thought about Latias/Carbink since it resists Fire/Grass/Water/Electric/Fighting/Dark/Bug and is immune to Dragon/Ground

if you absolutely need a quad Fire resist then you can ignore my opinion though

[bitter sentinel]

how does eviolite work here

[sudden girder]

No I need a fire grass Dragon resist.

But a 1× resist wont help against sun boosted V-create

[quiet salmon]

oh latias/carbink sounds solid

to cteam lurantis/entei

(until it runs toxic)

[void willow]

specifically against physical Lurantis/Entei I think a fat Water/Poison (something like Suicune/Pex or Lapras/Pex) could take its hits pretty well while threatening it out with Sludge Bomb/Wave; also matches up decently against Entei/MeloP as a plus

still dies if it's boosted by Sun though

[quiet salmon]

ive used slowking/pex

it exists ig

thing is with the spd boosting idk if sludge bomb 1v1s it

[umbral solar]

tried to build a balance, thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/fbd82e48be9e7dae

[sudden girder]

Sun seems like a bad match up for you.
As your defensive core simply cant handle sun boosted Eruptions and solar power boosted overheats.

[sudden girder]

Jirachi/Melo is a good revenge killer tho.

[umbral solar]

hmm yeah, maybe a water type>toxitar?

[quiet salmon]

dtail over claw imo

[umbral solar]

yeah

that makes sense]

[ivory drum]

So I've never really built a team for showdown before. Can someone explain some of the basics to me?

[quiet salmon]

what kind of team do you want, a bulky team that covers most things or a fast offensive team that tries to win the game quickly

[sudden girder]

looking for synergies between individual mons and having multiple win conditions is certainly helpfull

[past lava]

Let me preface by saying I am not some super skilled team builder, but generally I look for 2-3 mons to use as a core (mons that compliment each other nicely and cover each others weaknesses) and then build the other three with mons that cover very specific problems with the first 3. Ie. If the first three mons need speed support, bring a mon with sticky webs access or tailwind

[austere trail]

https://pokepast.es/51fdf9df99296081 I made this team for if nat dex ou. Skadoosh used to be a ursaluna+gouging fire. Basically had zero counterplay and swept your team when it set up 1 d-dance. Dont know if the replacement is better or worse(should be worse bc ursa-gouge was fucking broken)

oh yeah, I was just testing my team, Skadoosh did 80% to a klefki-tangrowth fusion. 74/113 phys bulk is nothing to scoff at

[quiet salmon]

now calc it against
against alomoblade (alomomola) @ eviolite
evs: 252 hp / 252 def / 4 spe
relaxed nature

[austere trail]

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 174-205 (37.5 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

That's the calc

[quiet salmon]

you forgot eviolite so it does more like 25-29.4%

[austere trail]

Alomoblade cant gain benefits from holding eviolite

[orchid field]

Yes it can? Doubleblade is a pre evo so it benefits from the effects of eviolite

[austere trail]

fuck, I did aegislash, not doublade, oops

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Alomomola: 204-241 (51.1 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[orchid field]

Why would it be 0 def and 0 hp?

[austere trail]

oops

shit

i cant do anything right

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 168-198 (36.3 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[sudden girder]

Is fusing Greninja with Lucario and running Protean Nasty/Vacuum/Shuriken/flashcannon a good idea or utterly worthless?

[void willow]

without technician I really don't think it's worth trying to sweep with these weaker priority moves

if you wanted to run Gren/Lucario you'll probably have better luck with a physical SD/ESpeed set

[sudden girder]

those kind of get hard outclassed by most dragonite sets.
But still thx

[fallow lava]

hello I am sorry for the quality of the images but I would like to know if in my team I have to change some or not?

[austere trail]

post a pokepaste link

[fallow lava]

https://pokepast.es/4ce21281fae7c447 Is that it?

[minor cradle]

The team is very suboptimal, the overall evs and sets and just the choices are pretty bad. You would need to completely change the team, I would suggest stuff but I don't play Fusions AG so I can't give the best advice considering I don't play these type of formats. So I'll just give a personal suggestion so take it with a grain of salt but I believe it'll be better than your current team.

I would first start off by giving my opinions on each fusion
So Jirachi/Lugia
It really isn't doing much, It's much more defensive oriented but for some reason your making it a sweeper. It's also very liable to getting hit by Status, Stalled and/or Imposter. Your current team has no real synergy so I'll turn this into a Defensive oriented pokemon

Arcoh (Arceus-Steel) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Ho-Oh
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Roost
• Defog
• Roar
• Iron Head

Would easily stave off most special hit's and brings utility on the board, Although this isn't enough for your defensive core so removing Togekiss/Aegislash we'll instead add an Imposter Pokemon just so your team won't get swept by the countless broken stuff in the format, This is my suggestion

Blisto (Blissey) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Imposter
Fusion: Ditto
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aromatherapy
• Healing Wish
• Stealth Rock
• Soft-Boiled

I'd guess this is the standard set for this format

I don't have much freetime so If I have the time I'll continue this

[minor cradle]

I have more freetime so I'll continue this

for the 3rd Pokemon I'm making it another defensive pokemon oriented for physical attackers, I'll suggest this

Girapex (Giratina) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Toxapex
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Scald
• Recover
• Spectral Thief / Haze
• Toxic Spikes / Knock Off / Core Enforcer / Toxic

It's meant to hopefully prevent setup with Haze/Spectral Thief, Scald/Toxic/TSpikes to spread status in this, Recover is a no brainer and Core Enforcer could be used to remove abilities maybe? I really don't know how this'll work with Wonder Guard so removing it from the options is probably fine but idk\

Reshizma (Reshiram) @ Leftovers
Ability: Turboblaze
Fusion: Necrozma-Ultra
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Tail Glow
• Photon Geyser
• Draco Meteor
• Roost

To bolster up your offensive presence I've thought about this, It'll be a solid breaker especially since it ignore's the powerful defensive abilities like Wonder Guard and Disguise. It'll be a (hopefully) good breaker with roost for longevity as well

I'll check rq whether Arceus-Steel/Ho-Oh can coutner this on the chance it gets imposter'd

+3 252 SpA Turboblaze Reshiram Photon Geyser vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Abomasnow: 138-163 (31.8 - 37.6%) -- 92.3% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

On the off chance it gets imposter your Arceus-Steel/Ho-Oh should be able to handle it well if you play well so I think it's fine

Kyorom (Kyogre) @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
Fusion: Zekrom
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Volt Switch
• Scald
• Tail Glow

For the next member I was heavily considering a weather setter due to the fact perma weather is in this

This could be used as an annoying hard hitting pivot/scald spammer with tailglow to bolster its offenses

ran outta freetime, consider the last member to be another attacker that hopefully gets stealth rocks

Remember to take this with a grain of salt cause I don't play the tier!

I simply gave suggestions A Team because yours wasn't optimal in the slightest!

If you want the best advice wait for somebody experienced playing to give advice (Basically only anaconja in this server lol)

[quiet salmon]

does reshiram improof kyogre

sounds a little sus to me

[fallow lava]

hi thank you I just tried and it's not bad but tell me for the 6th I choose me or your an idea otherwise I have one in mind otherwise but otherwise thank you again 😅

[fallow lava]

and if you have a format to recommend to me I am interested😁👍

[sudden girder]

could kommo-o be a viable mon for hail teams?

[quiet salmon]

no bc fighting is not a good def typing and dragon is outclassed by kyurem

[sudden girder]

i meant because of overcoat

[quiet salmon]

kyurem has ice body so its even better

[sudden girder]

could i stack them?

using kommo fighting typing for one fusion and kyurems dragon for seperate one

[quiet salmon]

idk why youd want to have kommoo fighting though

[sudden girder]

Since Kommo is a good body fusion

[orchid field]

If your using a fighting type then just use Meloetta-Pirouette instead

[quiet salmon]

kommoo isnt a good body fusion

[austere trail]

I have a Kommo-o/Porygon-Z fusion that clangorous souls up, with a throat spray, then can spam adapt boombursts off 600 or so SpA. Still does like 30% to Torn-Registeel fusion that fucks me up evrey time

Regen Registeel is fucking crazy

[quiet salmon]

thats nd though modrift was talking regdex

[sudden girder]

why is kommo a bad body type fusion?
besides being outclassed by melo

[quiet salmon]

bc fighting defensively is not useful

its also too dependent on head

[sudden girder]

I feel like bug, rock and dark are very good resistances to have.
With U-turn, Stealthrock and Knock off being so common.
I will say that being weak to fairy isnt enjoyable but luckily fairy isnt a common coverage move unlike the three above.
Same goes for Psychic and Flying

But what to you mean on depending too much on the head?

[quiet salmon]

kommoo has nothing to give besides sr

so you have to use a head with recovery and utility

what mon do you fuse with kommoo that makes it useable bc you can talk about its typing in a vacuum but what matters is how it plays in practice

[sudden girder]

I would use it as a bulk up sweeper with substitute and Drain punch

not sure on who to fuse it with

maybe metagross?

[quiet salmon]

cant sweep anything if its as easy to stop as putting a fat scald user or unaware in front of it

[sudden girder]

So it needs mates to help with that issue?

Because no one mon can sweep entire teams on its on

[quiet salmon]

you can say that to justify anything

[sudden girder]

you are correct

Then my question is, is kommo worth the effort?

[quiet salmon]

id say no

[sudden girder]

Set up sweeper do seem kind of weak in this metagame

[quiet salmon]

bulk up sweeping is weak

[sudden girder]

Qd also doesnt feel opressive

With unawares and Spectral thiefs rampant

not to mention all the AV fusions to handle special attackers

honorable mention to eviolite fusions

as well as all the revenge killers Like the Espeed abusers

[minor cradle]

simply play better not coping

[minor cradle]

i checked and uhhh yeah it doesnt improof!!!, i would find an apropriate 6th member to solve this issue but uhhhh im using a vpn and someguy got the ip for the vpn banned so i have to do it another time

Dialgrowth (Dialga) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Tangrowth
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Knock Off / Stealth Rock
• Giga Drain
• Ice Beam
• Spore

problem solved probably

uhhh just realized you need plates for arceus forms so gotta change stuff oops

[jagged kelp]

Does anyone know the best combination of items and moves for the fusion of Meloetta (Pirouette) and Zoroark?

to play showdown and etc.

[sudden girder]

CC is a must because its without question the best fighting type move.
Knock of is amazing as always,
the same goes for Uturn.

Last move is uncertain however.

Trick, Taunt, maybe an elemental punch?

For items It has the options of most sweepers, Life orb, Scarf, Band or maybe even Expert belt.
There is no concrete answer here

[quiet salmon]

its not a sweeper bc it doesnt have setup

its more an offensive pivot/cleaner

p sure zoroark gets jab

[jagged kelp]

thank you

[sudden girder]

two things : 1 zoroak does not get jab, at least in IF and 2 it could run set up thx to having SD from melo

[quiet salmon]

melo doesnt get sd

i did forget zoro gets sd but you didnt mention it

and obv sd users dont use scarf/band

[sudden girder]

does anyone happen to know a hard wall against Specs Latios/Typhlosion? The combination of sun boosted eruptions, Specs Dracos, and Energyball leave me a bit puzzled.

generally looking for a sun answer that synergies well with a water and steel type

[quiet salmon]

dragon/fairy

or fire/steel ff

[red spear]

or Dragon/Fire

[sudden girder]

jirachi/Entei?

a SR weakness is unappreciated

[quiet salmon]

how is that an sr weakness

thats neutral to rock

[quiet salmon]

oh dragon fire is p good for sun

well it get shit on by latios typh which is what they were asking but w/e

[sudden girder]

I meant dragon fire

https://pokepast.es/93aa5a574d82b4d9 how could this team be improved?

I would like to put a spinner on the team but do not know who to replace with what mon

[jagged kelp]

I was playing randomized with my friends and we decided to use the pokemons to fight in the showdown after passing the league, this would be my team in the Dex AG category, I'm pretty new to this thing of building competitive teams so if anyone can help me with the moves and possible fusions better than these

Zoroetta (Zoroark) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 85
Fusion: Meloetta-Pirouette
EVs: 115 HP / 51 Atk / 102 Def / 116 SpA / 99 SpD / 27 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 12 HP / 30 Def / 13 SpA / 29 SpD / 22 Spe

• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Knock Off
• Drain Punch

Palkvoir (Palkia) @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
Level: 85
Fusion: Gardevoir
Alt: d
EVs: 74 HP / 23 Atk / 77 Def / 80 SpA / 73 SpD / 9 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 6 HP / 0 Atk / 18 Def / 21 SpA / 14 SpD

• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast
• Hydro Pump
• Core Enforcer

Cressgross (Cresselia) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Levitate
Level: 85
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Metagross
EVs: 59 HP / 83 Atk / 69 Def / 83 SpA / 53 SpD / 37 Spe
IVs: 4 HP / 27 Def / 30 SpA / 29 SpD / 19 Spe

• Ice Punch
• Moonlight
• Toxic
• Meteor Mash

Reshiquaza (Reshiram) @ Dragon Fang
Ability: Turboblaze
Level: 85
Fusion: Rayquaza
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 26 Def / 29 SpA / 22 Spe

• Earth Power
• Tail Glow
• Draco Meteor
• Roost

Molchomp (Moltres) @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
Level: 85
Fusion: Garchomp
EVs: 50 HP / 37 Atk / 52 Def / 52 SpA / 48 SpD / 11 Spe
IVs: 27 HP / 30 SpA / 9 SpD / 20 Spe

• Will-O-Wisp
• Stealth Rock
• Earthquake
• Roost

Umbrom (Umbreon) @ Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 85
Fusion: Zekrom
Alt: b
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 26 HP / 26 Def / 11 SpA / 5 SpD / 30 Spe

• Plasma Fists
• Wish
• Hone Claws
• Protect

I haven't changed the EV's and IV's yet

[sudden girder]

Are you allowed to change abilities?

[jagged kelp]

unfortunately not, the only thing we will be able to change is the EVs and IVs

But I can try to capture Pokémon with better abilities

[sudden girder]

The thing is you are playing AG, not Ubers (which doesnt exist yet). This means your opponent could run six blissey/Pyukumuku with minimize/toxic/soak/softboiled and just cheese their way through.

Do you have any extra rules for this fight against your friend?

[sudden girder]

Or is it truly Anything goes

[jagged kelp]

just these rules of exploring only kanto and that

[sudden girder]

in that case there is nothing stoping you from using the most cheesy strats imaginable

only that your friend might hate you

[jagged kelp]

Could you tell me what these strategies are?

xd

[quiet salmon]

shedinja

shadow tag setup

imposter

spore smash

[jagged kelp]

spore smash ?

[quiet salmon]

spore + shell smash

minimize + baton pass too

[sudden girder]

basically anything thats banned

since its so centralizing

[jagged kelp]

How do you do this setup?

[quiet salmon]

wait until they go into something passive, trap it, sub and setup

[sudden girder]

or you could give huge power to mons that shouldnt have it

once again : anything goes

[jagged kelp]

i mean the move list on pokemon, Is only the shadow tag necessary?

[sudden girder]

well it depends on what you fuse it with, and you obvioulsy want substitue to protect yourself against status

[jagged kelp]

I'll see what I can do and send it here so you can see if it's any good.

[sudden girder]

i would suggest to talk to your friend

since they probably wanted a normal match with legendaries

[jagged kelp]

I believe not because he was thinking about setups with klefiki and mr.mime and Bibarel

Furthermore, the other colleague who is in this game has 3 Arceus and an Ultra Necrozma, so I think it would be fun to use a team like that and then play with my normal Pokemon.

[sudden girder]

honestly that sounds relativly normal as simple isnt even bannend in UU, so he most definetly wanted a normal match and not cheesetopia

[jagged kelp]

quite likely. I'm also not going to use everything you two told me, but it was funny telling them these strategies and they were like "no way"

[sudden girder]

its good to clear these things up beforehand to avoid any misconceptions

[sudden girder]

which is a better ttar fusion partner ?
Hydreigon or Celebi

[cursive tundra]

On a general level it would be Celebi, but some teams would prefer the coverage Hydreigon offers

[gusty burrow]

Woo, second sun setter with actual utility moves

[void willow]

Being an actual physdef Fire is also interesting, although you'll have to figure out a way to deal with its Rock weakness and lack of recovery

[small swan]

Quick question, in doubles battles, would pursuit/roar combo work or would pursuit fail/do normal damage

[red spear]

Pursuit would always move before roar, as roar has negative priority

So you wouldn’t get the boost, since they’re not switching out when you hit them

[gusty burrow]

I'm pretty sure you would be able to if the pokemon used Pursuit, got encored on the next turn where it used roar (while slower than the other roar mon)

The encored pokemon could used Trick Room to make it easier

[harsh vale]

question: does arceus need to have the plate AND multitype or just the plate?

[quiet salmon]

just the plate

[sudden girder]

If you fuse Hawlucha and ditto, give it the quick powder item to double its speed, then knock said powder of to activate unburden, will The Speed stat with QP be boosted or just the base Speed stat?

Would sunsteelstrike ignore the evasion boost from sandveil?

[sterile glacier]

You might be able to get pursuit/roar to work by cheesing roar's low priority with copycat/sleep talk/assist shenanigans, but that's both highly unreliable and frankly I don't think the payout is worth the investment

[hexed lotus]

what's a good team for screens

[gleaming flower]

Any tips for improving my team?

https://pokepast.es/3b16a3ba013e8a51

[hexed lotus]

sky attack, on gliscor?

as for alakazam, put in electrode for mind blown

[sudden girder]

gigadrain seems like a waste of a moveslot. Knock of provides more utility

[gleaming flower]

Thx

https://pokepast.es/c1340d0014cdc1af

This is the improved version

[orchid field]

It doesn’t make sense to use jifable as a scarfer due to it low attack sp attack and speed
Facade is better then return on a guts attacker
Air cutter base power is to low to justify using

[gleaming flower]

Thank for the criticism. Ill fix it

[hexed lotus]

The good about clef is that it's a fairy type with magic guard or unaware and can recover. You used pretty much none of that
ursaslash has no way to recover health, so king's shield is actually working against you