not to mention the move set definitely could use some work but we don’t talk about that 
#showdown-teambuilding
sly thicket
quiet salmon
regen definitely better
merciless is appealing believe me but in practice its just not that good
even in bh where you can put it on anything
ive tried making it work for like 2 years
sly thicket
Is there any real reason to run merciless? Ik that in vanilla gen 9 assault vest pex is a thing but even then iirc that still runs regenerator for sustain
quiet salmon
it runs vest bc it lost all its good utility moves so it has to have some dmg output instead so it doesnt get owned by stallbreakers
sly thicket
Yeah fair enough
Would merciless even be good against stall break or the setup sweepers? I’d imagine not because by the time you’d get there they would already be set up even if you have toxic spikes on the ground
Especially how IF set up sweepers work
quiet salmon
its theoretically good into stall bc you hit walls v hard
in practice you set tspike and then toxitar just comes in and removes it
sly thicket
Oh it removes on both sides? I thought it only ate your sides spikes
sly thicket
Ahhh fair, haven’t seen any stall on the ladder that uses toxitar actually so I’m surprised to hear people who run stall run it
I think I’ve seen 1 team use it? It’s been a while though so idr how they used it (prolly av regen as you said 
)
quiet salmon
Ability: Sheer Force
Fusion: Nidoking
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Toxic Spikes
Kyuapex (Kyurem) @ Leftovers
Ability: Merciless
Fusion: Toxapex
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
- Roost
idk best i can think of
sly thicket
That’s definitely an interesting idea I won’t lie 
sly thicket
If you don’t mind me asking actually, do you have any ideas on flying type support mons that work well on sun teams? The team I’ve got loses hard to eq and the best idea I came up with is vaporeon/dragonite with multiscale leftovers but it just seems like it’s a bit too specific for a 50/50 with the team I made. If need be I can post the team I got but it’s not too much more modified from the sun team I had before (the Mon in question is in place of the web setter since screens feel more consistent)
quiet salmon
If you don’t mind me asking actually, do you have any ideas on flying type suppo...
Ability: Magic Bounce
Fusion: Xatu
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Earthquake
- Wish
- Roost
- U-turn```Preciate you 
quiet salmon
np
true vigil
is this set any good?
quiet salmon
no its a bulky mon thats weak to rocks with no recovery
fire dark is an awkward defensive typing making it a "physdef" tank thats weak to the top physical types ground, rock, and fighting as well as weak to utility type water
you should either go fully offensive by replacing arcanine with entei (as it has vcreate) and probably replacing ttar with a faster ddancer like garchomp or haxorus
or go fully defensive by replacing ttar with something like steelix for much better physical bulk
and giving it leftovers instead of vest so it can use morning sun for recovery
though i prefer salamence to arcanine for intimidate bc its not weak to ground and roost has more pp than morning sun
true vigil
preciate the feedback
pine jacinth
Does anyone have a sample stall team?
quiet salmon
Does anyone have a sample stall team?
https://pokepast.es/be297ec23c7c2664 helped build this for someone
pine jacinth
thanks
tawdry night
Glistile (Gliscor) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Fusion: Sceptile
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Agility
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Giga Drain
Raidile (Raikou) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Krookodile
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Bulk Up
- Calm Mind
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
Manine (Machamp) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Arcanine
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Close Combat
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Flame Charge
Galvangar (Galvantula) @ Poison Barb
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Gengar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Lax Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Agility
- Dark Pulse
- Dazzling Gleam
Noigross (Noivern) @ Quick Claw
Ability: Infiltrator
Fusion: Metagross
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA
- Bullet Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Iron Defense
- Leech Life
Haxzone (Haxorus) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
Fusion: Magnezone
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
- Dragon Dance
- Iron Defense
- Earthquake
- Flash Cannon
am i able to post that or is it too big
keen dawn
you're good but next time use this site https://pokepast.es/
tawdry night
its above
grand oriole
finished
Scepcor (Sceptile) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Acrobatics
- Fling
- Protect
Cofagdile (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Krookodile
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Foul Play
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot
- Will-O-Wisp
Snorchamp (Snorlax) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Fusion: Machamp
Alt: a
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Facade
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Protect
Galvangar (Galvantula) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Gengar
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Sticky Web
- Toxic
- Volt Switch
Metaxorus (Metagross) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Clear Body
Fusion: Haxorus
Alt: a
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
Sylnine (Sylveon) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
Fusion: Arcanine
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Dragon Dance
tried keeping atleast one pokemon per fusion
heres a better Scepor
Scepcor (Sceptile) @ Flying Gem
Ability: Unburden
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Acrobatics
- U-turn
- Protect
twilit mesa
Charkazam (Charizard) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Solar Power
Fusion: Alakazam
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Psychic
- Morning Sun
- Solar Beam
Porylosion (Porygon-Z) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Typhlosion
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Eruption
- Tri Attack
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
WHAT IS A BETTER SP.A IN MY SUN TEAM OUT OF THESE 2 MONS?
basically a choice of either STAB sun boosted 150bp eruption
with adapt
or...
charizard that slower and weaker but more coverage and healing
patent hatch
?tag reading
tropic plumeBOT
You should try to read NPC dialogue! They give very good hints on how to continue the game. Sometimes they also give you items! Don't forget to talk to NPC's and read what they say.
patent hatch
You should try to read NPC dialogue! They give very good hints on how to continu...
They fact this discord has this explains all
sly thicket
From what I heard new people coming into the discord got so tiresome with asking the same questions tags like this needed to be made
Idk what triggered the npc one out of all of the tags tbh but here we are
They’re also really useful to explain spriting techniques to help explain how to make people’s art better
sly thicket
Idk if anyone that plays gen 9 ou interacts here too much tbh, but I can’t imagine that it isn’t too much different for building gen 7 nat ou teams
What’s the idea on what you’re trying to build?
craggy remnant
Can someone give some advice?
https://pokepast.es/fcf21e6a5bf8b32a
Just came back to the game and got no idea what are the top OU mons now
I feel like Raikou is not fitting in the team but I don't not how to properly swap it
quiet salmon
Can someone give some advice?
https://pokepast.es/fcf21e6a5bf8b32a
azumachomp is not very good bc grass is pretty rare in the meta and its main problems are getting walled by unaware/intimidate/water types which sap sipper doesnt fix so id recommend going with something different from azumarill
umbreon is fine throw 4 spd on it
raikou doesnt fit on the team bc electric/grass is not a very impressive defensive typing, try jirachi tangrowth with vest uturn/iron head/giga drain/knock off and sassy nature
having hp grass when you also have solar beam is terribly inefficient and dark pulse doesnt hit anything relevant but also the mon itself is not very strong and nukes the power of azumarill (if you keep it a water type) so id recommend something like porygonz-typhlosion instead
pyukumuku ferrothorn is pretty mediocre because water steel is not a good defensive typing when handling setup because its weak to ground, id rather go something like clefable/suicune with scald, calm mind, softboiled, moonblast/stealthrock
zapcor is ok but idk what that stat spread is doing and roost is far better than protect, also id rather put defog over sr because you dont have any hazard removal right now
craggy remnant
azumachomp is not very good bc grass is pretty rare in the meta and its main pro...
Thanks a lot dude
I'm also just getting into comp pokemon so I prob have done some noob mistakes with this team
pyukumuku ferrothorn is pretty mediocre because water steel is not a good defensive typing when handling setup because its weak to ground, id rather go something like clefable/suicune with scald, calm mind, softboiled, moonblast/stealthrock
I really like this mon, but yeah it was being one shot by both ground and electric moves
sly thicket
For a Mon that gives speed control it’s better to use a webs user for that since tailwind only lasts 4 turns (including the turn you activate it) so at most you’d only have 2 turns of double speed after activation. Since you’re going with rain anyway I recommend this: https://pokepast.es/bf9ab6c738bfd0f3
sly thicket
https://pokepast.es/40506e3c33126bb7
What’s the reasoning behind gyarados/kabutops? Swift swim with high speed and attack I take it?
somber kiln
That was the idea, but i dont think it works well
I picked gyarados bcs i kinda got lazy and tought maybe just get another decent mons
sly thicket
Ah so then you just want a physical swift swimmer?
Btw I don’t think you need to have rain dance on him either since you have a rain setter in politoad with damp rock
sly thicket
I picked gyarados bcs i kinda got lazy and tought maybe just get another decent ...
If not having garados is a non issue this is what I came up with: https://pokepast.es/99e961f0ca78df46
Having draining punch is nice against things that don’t resist it and the swords dance gives an out to protect while having rocky helmet punishes fake out/knock off. Feel free to tinker with that one however you want
Thing that does suck about it though is it’s typing since it gets hit by a lot of common typings
Also whenever you can find the room for a sap sipper abuser. Grass is a common use against rain users since they’ll have ground types more than likely and don’t have to worry too much about that due to elec immunity
gusty burrow
What Meloetta sets are people using? I saw the tournament had a Metagross/Meloetta and a Banette/Meloetta
quiet salmon
worst mon on team
torn tartan
59 Special Attack, easy to wall. RU at best
quiet salmon
lapis oriole
What Meloetta sets are people using? I saw the tournament had a Metagross/Meloet...
Heracross/Pirouette with Guts is pretty awesome
It functions like a pseudoscarf for Hera and doesn't touch it's attack basically
quiet salmon
bug fighting isnt too great
main reason why heracross doesnt take off in vanilla besides its middling speed
proper sand
https://pokepast.es/62b6528a6bad451d
What can I do to improve this team? And is Milotic+Goodra or Gliscor+Swampert better for the last slot?
void willow
https://pokepast.es/62b6528a6bad451d
What can I do to improve this team? And is ...
if you're using AV Toxitar then give it Pursuit instead of Ice Punch so you can trap vulnerable special attackers; I would also personally recommend giving it some more SpD EVs instead of Def in order to gain more out of AV
proper sand
if you're using AV Toxitar then give it Pursuit instead of Ice Punch so you can ...
Oh right Pursuit, I've never played anything but Gen 8-9 so forgot that, thanks for the suggestion
light lodge
Trying to improve my sun based team centered around Enfeon (he has been absolutely cooking in my testings so far). First 3 have been working really well but I think the second 3 could be better. Any suggestions?
Glistales (Gliscor) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Fusion: Ninetales
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Stealth Rock
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
Enfeon (Entei) @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Fusion: Leafeon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Fire
- Knock Off
- Stomping Tantrum
Pyukuchomp (Pyukumuku) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Fusion: Garchomp
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Toxic
- Roar
- Recover
- Earthquake
Scepizard (Sceptile) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Solar Power
Fusion: Charizard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Solar Beam
- Air Slash
- Flamethrower
- Dragon Pulse
Zapchamp (Zapdos) @ Assault Vest
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Machamp
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
- Zap Cannon
- Dynamic Punch
- Stone Edge
- Volt Switch
Genlax (Gengar) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Snorlax
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Moonlight
- Hex
- Sludge Bomb
quiet salmon
Trying to improve my sun based team centered around Enfeon (he has been absolute...
next time paste your team in https://pokepast.es/ so it doesnt fill the whole screen
ill look at it in a minute
languid rapids
Glistales (Gliscor) @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Fusion: Ninetales
EVs: 25...
Pls make entei the body 😭
Also why gliscor as the head for ninetales fusion?
ruby zodiac
Pls make entei the body 😭
why entei the body? you barely lose attack stats and gain a bunch of defensive stats
and gliscor as head is slightly faster
and has less weaknesses
languid rapids
What's wrong with ninetales garchomp?
The defenses are hardly worth wasting the free damage
Just 1 shot everything and you don't need defense 🤷♂️
tired ermine
I completely forgot these channels existed and I was asking for teambuilding shit in the wrong channels fml
anyway. my hypothetical Champion Leaf team is almost complete. I just need to figure out what to do with Venusaur and Granbull (which way to fuse them and what to make the build)
everyone I got so far
ocean halo
Anybody got any fun morpeko fusions?
ocean halo
Nah I mean for showdown
ruby zodiac
yeah but showdown also only has custom sprtites for the ones that are in the game
ocean halo
I’m just finding fusions I can use for this infinite fusion draft I’m in
ocean halo
yeah but showdown also only has custom sprtites for the ones that are in the gam...
I mean sets
ruby zodiac
yeah i don't use morpeko but worst case cenario regigigas will do
quiet salmon
champion leaf when i bring 3 ghost cats and a ditto
tired ermine
I literally just threw this together at the last second and it very much definitely sucks but I need to commit to the bit
vernal dagger
are the speedboost stored power/power trip users viable?
like a calm mind psychic flying gardevoir/yanmega or a bulk up dark fire krookodile/blaiziken
quiet salmon
no cause theyre banned to ag and in ag theres imposter which threatens to countersweep you
ruby zodiac
this scaryer than i had planned
light lodge
Just 1 shot everything and you don't need defense 🤷♂️
I wanted Uturn and gliscor gives best defense as well as defog and knock off if I want it over wil o
gaunt forum
Any tips on getting started from total scratch here?
sly thicket
Any tips on getting started from total scratch here?
Pick a fusion you think is good/fun, build a second fusion that covers the first ones weaknesses, then work from there
void willow
can someone give me tips on how to improve my team
If you're running a Choiced Electric special attacker then you usually want Volt Switch for momentum since you should always expect them to switch into something that resists or is immune to your moves
Also please include a means of hazard removal because you have two sweepers who are weak to rocks (in fact, Multiscale is bound to be useless since Entei/Dragonite is taking 50% just on switch in), and your team also wants to avoid webs if possible
snow pike
59 Special Attack, easy to wall. RU at best
Good one! What a creative joke!!!! 
You should 
to the gallery!! 
snow pike
everyone I got so far
blissey isnt fairy type
torn tartan
Good one! What a creative joke!!!! <:ohyes:686653537911832661> <:ohyes:686653537...
Thank you, I appreciate it
Sometimes it does feel hard, being so funny
tired ermine
my life is a lie
warm rover
I'm beginning to build teams for Pokémon regionals next year so I want to get peoples opinions on my mock up team
Feel free to criticize
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Quick Claw
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 60 Def / 60 SpD / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Surging Strikes
- Thunder Punch
- Bulk Up
Iron Moth @ Leftovers
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 Def / 252 SpA / 20 SpD / 136 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic Spikes
- Sludge Wave
- Fiery Dance
- Light Screen
Amoonguss @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Effect Spore
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 128 Def / 252 SpA / 128 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spore
- Pollen Puff
- Giga Drain
- Toxic
Farigiraf @ Leftovers
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 60 Def / 136 SpA / 60 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Hyper Voice
- Protect
Raging Bolt @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 50 Def / 252 SpA / 50 SpD / 156 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Thunderbolt
- Dragon Pulse
- Calm Mind
Talonflame @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Gale Wings
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 28 Def / 200 SpA / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tailwind
- Will-O-Wisp
- Defog
- Heat Wave
cursive tundra
I'm beginning to build teams for Pokémon regionals next year so I want to get pe...
this is definitely not the place for VGC, but I can give you pointers since I played some
general rule, mons that aren't running Choiced Items or Assault Vest use Protect; the only one on this team that can get away with it is Amoonguss
Leftovers is also rarely seen and not good on these mons because VGC is very fast relative to every other game mode
your Amoonguss will always need Rage Powder, redirection is the quintissential mechanic
minor cradle
I'm beginning to build teams for Pokémon regionals next year so I want to get pe...
as sir car said, not the place for VGC
I do play VGC and uhhh theres many many problems with this
overall what car said is true, i also reccomend using
victory road and pikalytics
to help
patent hatch
as sir car said, not the place for VGC
I do play VGC and uhhh theres many many ...
sir car lmao 
Cat = car 
minor cradle
whats wrong with car?
patent hatch
whats wrong with car?
Look at his name again
patent hatch
I was just poking fun that you called cat car
minor cradle
car
pine jacinth
We should make a sample team pages for ifdex ou
or at least a place where players can find already made teams
cause unless i am unaware
we don't currently have one
vernal vale
Well there is the showdown discord and there are archived teams there
vital thistle
I wonder .. what is the highest bst fusion?
well okay so if all pokemon ever were in the game it would be
terapagos (stellar) and zacian crowned sword
then there is also white kyurem / zamazenta
and after that it's just arceus/arceus
vital thistle
then when you want to max out HP+def+sp.def, you get:
- blisrock (blissey and regirock) 642 bst, 455 wall total
- bisdon (blissey and bastiodon) 582 bst, 441 wall total
- chanrock (chansey and regirock) 589 bst, 431 wall total
- chandon (chansey and bastiodon) 526 bst, 415 wall total
- girarock (girantina and regirock) 658 bst, 412 wall total
quiet salmon
wheres chansey shuckle
patent hatch
Eviolite makes Chansey/Shuckle way bulkier than Blissey
vital thistle
wheres chansey shuckle
you have an an amazing point, why was that not on my list.. one sec, let me check
yeah shuckle is just not on here lmao
snow pike
what's that list?
snow pike
Eviolite makes Chansey/Shuckle way bulkier than Blissey
i know but im talking aboutu base stats
vital thistle
what's that list?
found it somewhere on the internet when looking up "pokemon by stats"
okay so
back to reality
vital thistle
I wanna have a ferrothorn,
Do i run:
shuckle/ferrothorn (bug/steel) -> only weak to fire
latias/ferrothorn with levitate -> only weak to fighting
||weezing/ferrothorn with levitate -> only weak to fire, it's not good enough tbh||
considerations
shuckle/ft is a lot bulkier in terms of either defense stat but has less HP so overall actually less tanky
shuckle/ft has a lot less speed, which pairs extremely well with gyro ball.
latias/ft has a better bst and attack/sp. attack stats
shuckle/ft can still run any of their usual abilities
this will mainly be for stealth rock and spikes, obviously being able to have a powerful, stab gyroball is also nice (with the lower speed)
movesets would maybe be:
sh/ft:
spikes/stealth rock
leech seed
spiky shield
gyro ball
item: leftovers
latias/ferrothorn
spikes/stealth rock
leech seed
spiky shield
dragon pulse/ roar
quiet salmon
why would you use leech seed when it has roost
vital thistle
cuz it also deals passive damage
like you can even start off with leech seed
and then
leech - shield - spikes - shield - spikes - shield - spikes
you regen 7 times both with leech seed and leftovers
you know there is an argument to even just run both spikes and stealth rocks on latias/ ferrothorn
it is very bulky
like
2x fight
1x fire/ice/ghost/dragon/dark/fairy
1/2x normal/water/electric/flying/psychic/bug/rock/steel
1/4x grass
0x poison/ground
8 resistances, 1 double resistance, 2 immunites just is so good
vital thistle
I'm beginning to build teams for Pokémon regionals next year so I want to get pe...
i wanna quickly chime in and say probably throat spray on farigiraf instead of leftovers?
quiet salmon
like you can even start off with leech seed
and then
leech - shield - spikes - s...
opp switches into bouncer or grass and blocks your healing
vital thistle
opp switches into bouncer or grass and blocks your healing
sure but i am not too worried about that
Ferrothorn is a great stall pokemon and with latias or shuckle it gains an incredible type combination either way
quiet salmon
you should when it doesnt wall things consistently without reliable recovery
you can take like 30% chip from wallbreakers and recover none of it because opp instantly switches to jigrowth
vital thistle
it still allows me more time to set up spikes/stealth rock
sure regenerator is a powerful ability
but id also be running my own regenerator chanapex, that can toxic and set up toxic spikes
there is an argument to be made for weezing/ferrothorn
poison/steel with levitate is only weak to fire again
and you can give it black sludge to save the leftovers for some other pokemon
anyway
What moveset would you recommend?
And what's your preferred ferrothorn fusion?
(Also feel free to ping me, i dont always see all channels)
quiet salmon
What moveset would you recommend?
And what's your preferred ferrothorn fusion?
slowking/ferro
regen with scald spikes slack off iron head/dtail
if youre playing ag theres definitely no reason to use shuckle ferrothorn
quiet salmon
it still allows me more time to set up spikes/stealth rock
sure regenerator is ...
if anything having reliable recovery allows you to have enough hp to setup hazards
vital thistle
mhm good point
Ig i was too focused on optimal type combinations to realize that there are way more important things 😅
quiet salmon
yeah only having one weakness is not as important as resisting or taking neutral from certain type combos
vital thistle
yeah
vital thistle
yeah only having one weakness is not as important as resisting or taking neutral...
you like chanapex tho?
regenerator
eviolite
toxic spikes/toxic
baneful bunker
substitute?
venoshock/recover
is what im currently thinking anyway
quiet salmon
venoshock is bad
you definitely need recover
ideally haze against reshiram fusions
ideally some way to get past shed
vital thistle
yeah with all the shedinja fusions...
you need a dark, fire and fairy at least
there is also an idea of uhhh the move that makes an opponent water type
vital thistle
ideally haze against reshiram fusions
so haze over substitute?
quiet salmon
most likely
vital thistle
ill keep that in mind
vital thistle
regen with scald spikes slack off iron head/dtail
you could run gyroball with that speed
quiet salmon
iron head has more pp
vital thistle
yeah
quiet salmon
it also hits clefable which is slow so gyro ball does very little against it
vital thistle
mhm
Alr this was fun ill be back tomorrow i got some more fun mons to talk about
oh btw how did the boomburst testing go? I haven't kept up to date with it
quiet salmon
mhm
Alr this was fun ill be back tomorrow i got some more fun mons to talk abou...
booomburst was banned
vital thistle
i see
Ill still abuse it in my casual playthrough
Porygon-Z + flygon
adaptability, boomburst with either choice specs or life orb xD
gilded egret
Hey uhhh, kinda new to IF gen 7 and teambuilding whatsoever, I was mostly used to just going with sample teams in original showdown but now idk what to do for a good "starter" team.
hexed lotus
Hey uhhh, kinda new to IF gen 7 and teambuilding whatsoever, I was mostly used t...
I think it's a bit like sketchmons
A lot of the game goes around trying to set up and trying to not be set up against
lapis oriole
Hey uhhh, kinda new to IF gen 7 and teambuilding whatsoever, I was mostly used t...
Idk if we have any sample teams, but you can always try what you think would work and go from there
hexed lotus
Unaware and spectral thief are ever-present
lapis oriole
I think it's a bit like sketchmons
A lot of the game goes around trying to set u...
Gen 7 in a nutshell
gilded egret
Idk if we have any sample teams, but you can always try what you think would wor...
There aren't, I checked.
hexed lotus
It's also the fact that making a typing is relatively easy
So there's a lot of steel going around
And a lot of water too
cursive tundra
There aren't, I checked.
we can make samples available
just have to run in thru the other tier leaders
true vigil
does anyone here play nat dex or do you mainly stick to if dex
sly thicket
I think it depends on the time of day but gen 9 I think is more popular during the morning hours
quiet salmon
i play both
sly thicket
I only watch gen 7 
vital thistle
why can't pokemon have 2 abilities
sap sipper + huge power azumarill/groudon would be so cool
fading trench
i was in a IF ffa thing before and i got a lot of people to target azumachomp
my reasoning was that its ugly
the real leason was because i was scared of the ground moves lmao
true vigil
lmao
fervent arch
anyone tried this (or a better version of it)
sly thicket
If you’re gonna go for a normal ghost fear user might as well go arceus if you’re not using him anywhere else but fear gets stopped really easily by any ghost type imo not worth the effort to make
Not to mention e-speed is a higher priority so any e-speed user beats this idea outright (wait I’m a fool e-speed can’t hit oop)
fervent arch
If you’re gonna go for a normal ghost fear user might as well go arceus if you’r...
arceus doesnt get endeavor
not one feint or espeed user get it
sly thicket
I’m assuming you’re making your entire team centralized around this mon?
fervent arch
I’m assuming you’re making your entire team centralized around this mon?
nah not really im just fooling around with the fusion mechanic
in fact, if you have funny broken combinations like prankster spore i'll glady hear it
now i'm trying for speed boost stored power
sly thicket
We all know brecott exists don’t lie to me lmao
fervent arch
yea i figured lol
are there more except azumarill slaking?
i found imposter blissey
quiet salmon
prankspore sucks
sly thicket
In ag I don’t really know off the top of my head what works there
quiet salmon
hoohgroudon is a crazy wallbreaker with drought vcreate
reshiram fusions can pop off with tail glow turboblaze
fervent arch
damn you're into legends
i'm more of a sub 550 guy
but in ag this doesnt go anywhere ig
quiet salmon
yea
sly thicket
At best they’re used because they have a really important move to pop their team off but that’s in vanilla ubers
fervent arch
prankspore sucks
you mean facing it or because dark and grass walls?
sly thicket
There’s prolly stuff in ubers that gets around it easily and dark types just ignore prankster altogether
quiet salmon
because the best they do is chip damage and also mbounce is really good
sly thicket
^that too though
quiet salmon
it bounces status moves
fervent arch
oh right its physical
sly thicket
Endure (sorry extremely tired and keep forgetting what moves do I should prolly just sleep ) doesn’t work on shedinja fusions anyway since their hp is all locked to 1 (unless that wasn’t implemented)
fervent arch
well my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
languid rapids
What's the best ev spread for Salablade
quiet salmon
What's the best ev spread for Salablade
max hp max def
warm sequoia
How do I play infinite fusion on showdown??
fading trench
Its called pokeathlon just search that
red spear
sour elm
what does it mean when it shows a Move in red?
true vigil
its banned for that tier
sour elm
ohh okayy
queen thistle
🗿
cold slate
"I need help I'm in a Infinite Fusion draft to build
grand oriole
this is a good support mon if you need one Cofagdile (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Fusion: Krookodile
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Foul Play
- Knock Off
- Parting Shot
- Will-O-Wisp
and if your weak to ice use this mon Sylnine (Sylveon) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
Fusion: Arcanine
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Dragon Dance
jagged canyon
thanks, dont know who to replace though
grand oriole
and replcae your latios with this latios build Sylnine (Sylveon) @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
Fusion: Arcanine
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Flare Blitz
- Close Combat
- Dragon Dance
sorry my bad Latiocario (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Lucario
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Psychic
- Aura Sphere
replace the melomance with the sylnine and replace the chandlebat with the Cofagdile
grand oriole
and replace your kyuchomp with Gyarachomp (Gyarados) @ Life Orb
Ability: Moxie
Fusion: Garchomp
Alt: a
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Crunch
jagged canyon
thank you 😄
grand oriole
if you need tips on how to use them just ask
Also if your having problems with your Porynite you can replace him with this Kangasnite (Kangaskhan) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Multiscale
Fusion: Dragonite
Alt: a
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Extreme Speed
- Earthquake
- Brick Break
and i recommend replacing your ferrotmory with Clefthorn (Clefable) @ Light Clay
Ability: Magic Guard
Fusion: Ferrothorn
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Stealth Rock
gusty burrow
Also if your having problems with your Porynite you can replace him with this Ka...
Porygon-Z is a lot bettet than Kangaskhan
quiet salmon
sorry my bad Latiocario (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Lu...
why would you use special scizor but not use quiver dance
patent hatch
why would you use special scizor but not use quiver dance
Because that’s… not Scizor
cold slate
i need help with my draft team
minor cradle
item, evs, nature
Showdown teambuilding indeed
evs just run max max nature just do +speed unless its a wall
items whatever u think wouod work
ebon ravine
Showdown teambuilding indeed <:heehee:945800365457149992>
u can look my team?
snow pike
returning to this to say that this mon was good until Meloetta-P joined (it's not that much worse but it can't spam whirlwind as much as before)
but you really got to use it to know
on paper it looks mid
cursive tundra
returning to this to say that this mon was good until Meloetta-P joined (it's no...
I found one use for Palossand with Weezing to be a budget Pecharunt with Levitate
that was before Gengar got Levitate back
snow pike
It's biggest upside is having recovery
Iirc quagsire is the only other one that has recovery
other ground type i mean
As for ghost it's drifblim having strength sap but idk any others
snow pike
is there any mon that does what this does but bulkier?
quiet salmon
this looks like a bad defogger
if you want hazard control use slowbro donphan
if you want fire grass use entei tangrowth
snow pike
i already have too many water types
i think
ebon ravine
spA or atk?
wintry sparrow
atk
snow pike
atk solely for spectral thief
and shadow sneak
coverage might be lacking on the phys side though
gusty burrow
Spectral Thief/Shadow Sneak/Knock Off/U-Turn
snow pike
ye
its kinda slow tho
snow pike
Banette is sad cuz fusing it as a head gives you poor defensive stats and hp, and as a body makes the pokemon very slow
gengar whilst being a special attacker probably abuses spectral thief better
doublade imo does it the best
or aegis i havent played that much since they got unbanned
dapper lake
can anyone explain why hydreigon/yanmega gets quiver dance in gen 7 ou but not in gen 9 ag
quiet salmon
bc gen 9 uses gen 9 learnsets so yanmega doesnt learn qd
dapper lake
is it common for gen 9 to take moves away from pokemon or is that a very rare thing
i havent played any main games in a while sorry
quiet salmon
its bc yanmega gets qd only in if
dapper lake
oh ok
quiet salmon
gen 9 doesnt add any if moves
dapper lake
i know theres a list of expert moves, is there a list of moves added specifically in if anywhere?
true vigil
does anyone have any good cresselia fusions for gen 7 ou
cold slate
help
compact pebble
l
tired comet
K time to get back on the groove of IF Dex OU
Did the meta change in... when was my last message...
4 months?
Boomburst's finally gone thank god
Or does the meta continue to be RegenVest Extreme lol
cursive tundra
Did the meta change in... when was my last message...
we just finished a poll about the state of IF OU
cursive tundra
results are on the Showdown Discord server
tired comet
Oh.
Haven't joined that one.
Welp... no time like today!
Here it seems like it's kinda dead unfortunately
cursive tundra
should be in the pins of #showdown-general
gusty burrow
It isn't in the pins?
quiet salmon
you simply didnt look hard enough
gusty burrow
I meant the results, not the link to the other server.
Also can't find the results in said server
minor cradle
Also can't find the results in said server
Didnt look hard enough
gusty burrow
Didnt look hard enough
Nope, despite ticking for all showdown channels IF announcements simply wasnt there
wintry sparrow
Nope, despite ticking for all showdown channels IF announcements simply wasnt th...
is it not this one
gusty burrow
I found it, thats why I referenced the channel in which it was in
keen kindle
just make funny team
shrewd lynx
Tyrancor (Tyranitar) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
Goonite (Goodra)
Ability: Multiscale
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Fly
- Roost
- Iron Head
Melovern (Meloetta)
Ability: Serene Grace
Fusion: Noivern
IVs: 0 Atk
- Boomburst
- Dragon Pulse
Infernros (Infernape)
Ability: Sheer Force
Fusion: Tauros
- Blaze Kick
- Return
Lapterra (Lapras)
Ability: Water Absorb
Fusion: Torterra
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Tail
- Earthquake
- Curse
Muligatr (Muk) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Sheer Force
Fusion: Feraligatr
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Poison Jab
- Aqua Tail
- Baneful Bunker
- Curse
ik its not finished but any tips for basically everything lol
i mainly focused on stab and a little coverage
im also gonna use this for my jhoto part of my playthrough
shrewd lynx
i was thinking somewhere i could do a flying gem acrobatics maybe on the infernape/tauros
shrewd lynx
https://pokepast.es/280b0f3b3adad5d8 this is what ive made so far
snow pike
Tyrancor (Tyranitar) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Gliscor
EVs:...
The Tauros one isn't good, if you want a sheer force Pokémon try Gengar/Nidoking for example
If you want this one I think tauros gets body slam?
patent hatch
If you want this one I think tauros gets body slam?
Tauros does not get Body Slam in IFDex
snow pike
https://pokepast.es/7fcc6454f91858dc
i need to know what to make the first 2 and last mon
damn team gets grass/fire'd
and without steels fighting/poison suprisingly
fading shadow
your team also looks like it cant really touch bulky waters
minor cradle
Stall w/o toxic
😔
https://pokepast.es/4eaf6571ce624d48
You can use this for reference but its an outdated version
urban prawn
https://pokepast.es/9dfa9465a3a5024d
What do you guys think of my IF dex ou team?
It's a rain/trick room team
quiet salmon
kind of a waste to run rain but no swift swim
urban prawn
I mean true but trick room is uncommon right now which makes it good
I have a non-trick version but this one has been more successful
urban prawn
When trick is rare, it means there aren't a lot of people prepared for it
quiet salmon
you dont need to specifically prepare for it in the first place
urban prawn
all those fast sun teams get hard countered
urban prawn
you dont need to specifically prepare for it in the first place
I mean yeah but it definitely helps
quiet salmon
sun obv has a hard mu vs rain
urban prawn
well, thanks for the input
I'll keep it in mind
I'm currently testing entei/lickilicky for the cloud nine v-create, though it hurts my soul
snow pike
https://pokepast.es/9dfa9465a3a5024d
What do you guys think of my IF dex ou team...
Why are you using a fire type on a rain team
minor cradle
https://pokepast.es/25c09c9f8a13d23b
if anybody wants the team i used to get reqs with
cursive tundra
Why are you using a fire type on a rain team
you can use a Fire type on a rain team its just that this one is not it for the team
this type of metagame incentives stacking counterweather mons
putting a Chlorophyll user on a rain team for example wouldn't be out of the realm
minor cradle
similiar to how gen 5 ou rain sometimes ran excadrill w/ sand rush as a real example
snow pike
I thought that was bc they complex banned weather setup + weather abuser
timid fog
so i have a competetive question
so if i put a pokemon-specific item on a fusion, will it still work? I know Ultranecrozium works on necrozma fusions, but im wondering about griserous orb working on giratina fusions
also is there a damage calculator so i can find this out
quiet salmon
it works
timid fog
epic, thanks!
minor cradle
Its fine, sandslash fusions are just
Fuse with big stronger mon thats not ice type tbh
void willow
Is this a good fusion?
I've used one with Sap Sipper for a while since it walled the common Fire/Grass types on Sun teams, but for general usage Regen is definitely better, and if you don't need Sap Sipper then the aforementioned Kyuapex is much bulkier on the physical side
snow pike
ok cool cuz i just made a sprite for it and i thought it might be decent
(though i dont really like the sprite that much lol)
robust rain
Where can I find sample teams?
drowsy geode
ok cool cuz i just made a sprite for it and i thought it might be decent
Holy shit
quiet salmon
worst mons on team lol
fading shadow
is that a fusion draft how does that work do you do the base pokemon or the fusions
violet gulch
Just found the most obnoxious physical wall conceivable, Victreebel/Omastar:
- Water/Grass, a decent defensive type
- Shell Armor, immune to crits
- STAB Giga Drain and Scald coming off of base 105 SPA
- 76/105 physical bulk
- Strength Sap
- Lotta stuff to run in the 4th moveslot (mostly courtesy of Victreebel): Clear Smog, Tspikes, Toxic, Stun Spore, Sleep Powder, Synthesis, Knock Off, or Encore. You could probably swap one of these out for Giga Drain if you really wanted to.
Only thing that could make it better is if you were to somehow make something similar that had Intimidate or Marvel Scale, but doing so would cut into physical bulk and impact the effectiveness of Strength Sap.
quiet salmon
76/105 physical bulk is really mediocre though
these are much better water grasses
snow pike
ferro is the spike setter of all time
feel like both omastar and victreebel are more used offensively (though I haven't ever seen a victreebel but it is basically frailer and more offensive vileplume)
omastar is one of the few good swift swimmers
violet gulch
Any particularly strong fusions for Clefable?
quiet salmon
clefable registeel, clefable mew, clefable dusclops, clefable suicune, etc
snow pike
clef is a very good mon for fusions
using it as a head fused with a physically tanky mon with a good typing depending on what you need
spiral jasper
Kirby team
Edit: if someone can give me advice on ideas for good held items and better movesets, feel free to give ideas.
agile lodge
Kirby team
Edit: if someone can give me advice on ideas for good held items and...
Give galactica knight expert belt
Kirby should get the speed powder
King dedede should get muscle band
quiet salmon
Kirby team
Edit: if someone can give me advice on ideas for good held items and...
much better meta knight
snow pike
Steel flying with multiscale and recovery 
compact pebble
Are ALL custom fusions from infiite fusion also in showdown?
minor cradle
maybe not all but most of them are up to date
red spear
We always use the latest sprite pack release
keen dawn
we always use the current gitlab status*
snow pike
Which of these 2 is better?
rat is faster but frailer and weaker
(ignore rat having protect instead of sd)
gusty burrow
This has better stats than ursaring
Probably the latter, raticate is too frail to set up SD well
snow pike
This has better stats than ursaring
Funnily enough those stats are almost identical to ursaring/meloetta except for SpD being a bit better
Bonus points for having a custom sprite
gusty burrow
It's just funny that the two mons have nearly identical stats, but Machamp is so very slightly better
snow pike
Mhm, I think it also learns Bullet Punch so opponents will also have to wary of that even if you don't have it
pastel cave
fusion suggestions with galvantula
sterile glacier
Roserade. Compoundeyes + sleep powder on something with decent speed is foul
pastel cave
Azumaswine (Azumarill) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Huge Power
Tera Type: Water
Fusion: Mamoswine
Alt: b
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Belly Drum
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
any thoughts for this and suggestions for supports
tired comet
https://pokepast.es/b7f152c11e69c690
Very rushed sand team, but I needed to get my teambuilding gears grinding again, I haven't made new teams in a while.
Y'know it's rushed becuase it has two mons with Sand Rush.
quiet salmon
5 offensive mons kinda means the moment you lose momentum you lose a mon
tired comet
I mean, yeah.
But running walls here... what could I do?
Generic regen defensive mon #33?
I always have Slowphan on lock, but it didn't feel right running it here.
I'm probably wrong though.
quiet salmon
i run slowphan on my sand team
you need a ground resist bc your sand rushers are weak to it but not the no stab latios scizor kind
tired comet
Yeah, I think I'll kick Latizor, its STABs are already on my other mons.
I need a Water/Steel check because those are everywhere.
tired comet
On second thought, this team doesn't really work.
This sucks, I feel like I'm always forced to run 2 or 3 Regenerator mons.
quiet salmon
its ok regen is based anyway
tired comet
If it's not stall, I'll be actually impressed.
I just wish the format had all the shiny Smogon resources- sample teams, viability rankings (probably unfeasible), team cores, a calculator....
I miss calcing so bad.
And no I don't wanna spend 5 minutes putting in custom stats for everything
Teambuilding is still hard.
snow pike
im good at throwing against setup so I kinda need unaware on my stall but yeah most teams i see have at least 1 regen mon
2 is also very common
most of the time I use
clefable unaware
pex and tangrowth regen
i have used mguard recently but that was on sand
quiet salmon
regen is just an insanely good abil to have especially in a high variability metagame like this one
vastly improves the longevity of your midgrounders
snow pike
yeah definitely
unrelated but
https://pokepast.es/23041087cd3f1cf9
need to know if this could work
aegi im definitely unsure of but I don't know what'd be a good mon to do something like that
swift isle
U think a kyorge would be a good pick for showdown
quiet salmon
yeah definitely
unrelated but
https://pokepast.es/23041087cd3f1cf9
need to know...
defogger weak to sr is not a good idea
snow pike
I just realized I'm defog with spikes and sr I might need rapid spin on something instead
pastel cave
Cerulade (Ceruledge) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Fire
Fusion: Gallade
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bitter Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Ice Punch
- Swords Dance
Gargackle (Garganacl)
Ability: Purifying Salt
Tera Type: Rock
Fusion: Shuckle
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Sticky Web
- Salt Cure
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
Any suggestions
Garganacl/shuckle is actually devious but idk if the Moveset is aight
Thinking of replacing rock slide with something like curse
(also need earthquake as a lure/check)
minor cradle
Any suggestions
You dont really need eq or rockslide on garg/shuckle since its doing negative damage anyways
having recover would be nice yknow
an item too
toxic/infrst/encore/protect/stealth rock are decent choices
body press too would be ok
quiet salmon
Cerulade (Ceruledge) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Fire
Fusion:...
ceruledge needs coverage for waters like alomomola/doublade
garg looks ass its just slightly more annoying shuckle
pastel cave
would I still need recover if I had leftovers?
loud eagle
Yes since knock off exists
pastel cave
oh yeah right fair
minor cradle
would I still need recover if I had leftovers?
lefties healing is very unreliable in this type of meta
pastel cave
i need recommendations for wall breakers
minor cradle
i need recommendations for wall breakers
hoopa-u fusions
pastel cave
no legendaries/special pokemon, if possible
definitely crippling myself with this but i find it fun that way
minor cradle
xurkitree fusions
pastel cave
danke
pastel cave
Abcario (Absol) @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Tera Type: Dark
Fusion: Lucario
Alt: c
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Swords Dance
- Meteor Mash
- Knock Off
this is a wallbreaker, this good?
knockoff, pursuit, or sucker punch?
or crunch
minor cradle
this is a wallbreaker, this good?
Frankly there are much better dark type options and steel type options
Here are somee examples for bett dark types
Steel types
do note i ss this in normal showdown so some stuff r banned/unbanned etc. I could add more stuff
pastel cave
this the whole team right now, i don't really know about the umbreon/gliscor fusion but yeah
gonna need a lot of suggestions and tweaking for this, that and i'm avoiding using legens
quiet salmon
is this ndou
snow pike
Here are somee examples for bett dark types
Only weavile bisharp and hydreigon there are in if (edit nvm its natdex)
snow pike
Abcario (Absol) @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
Tera Type: Dark
Fusion: Luca...
Think you might want a scizor
snow pike
I dont understand hidden power electric on umbcor
Remove defog from reuni so it doesn't get walled by resists or esp immunities
pastel cave
actually does anyone have an example fusion team?
hexed lotus
should I be using gliscor defensively more?
the good thing about it is poison heal, so it doesn't need to be very offensive
minor cradle
well thats the main point of jt
snow pike
What is better with Sand Stream, Ttar/Gligar or Ttar/Gliscor
minor cradle
the biggest point of gliscor is poison heal and idk why'd you'd use gligar sure u get eviolite but being more liable to knock off and having more stats isnt rly worth it
snow pike
It does have to look out for knock off a bit more, but it is a huge SpD mon in the Sandstorm to the point it can shrug of super effective moves with ease, I have a knock absorber on my team so it's not that big of a deal
And it allows me to if I really need to, use pheal gliscor on the team too, who is also immune to sand as a head which might be handy on a sand team
void willow
I used to run Ttar/Scyther with Eviolite quite some time ago to set rocks and pivot; its special bulk is absolutely ludicrous but yeah anything with Eviolite is extra vulnerable to Knock Off
gusty parrot
is fusion showdown its own website? or is it a setting for showdown?
patent hatch
is fusion showdown its own website? or is it a setting for showdown?
Own website https://play.pokeathlon.com/
gusty parrot
i need a good suggestion for a forretress fusion
i need a mon that learns u-turn has good special defense and good attack to fuse with forretress
oh yeah i alr found tha website
i tried gliscor with forretress but it needs more special defense and also toxapex doesnt have enough offensive power
nvm scyther works
quiet salmon
i need a mon that learns u-turn has good special defense and good attack to fus...
jirachi
gusty parrot
i alr used scyther
also uhh is merciless venoshock a good strat?
i tried it on eternatus for balanced hackmons and for some reason it just almost never did higher than 50% even with nasty plot and idk why like the enemy was poisoned
also im doing it on charizard so it has less special attack
gusty parrot
whats a good support mon like amoongus that has a custom sprite with like whimsicott or sableye
quiet salmon
amoonguss doesnt exist in the meta so it doesnt get a custom sprite
quiet salmon
also uhh is merciless venoshock a good strat?
no
even in gen 7 bh it struggles without scales bc its just difficult to consistently poison mons
if you dont poison you do no damage if you do poison you do somewhat better than normal but its just too much setup thats inconsistent
not to mention you have to use pex
gusty parrot
oh yeah i know i replaced that idea by using chatgpt for ideas and i have way better pokemons rn but i cant really battle no ones on gen 9 if ag national dex
ive been waiting for like 50 minutes ngl
minor cradle
oh yeah i know i replaced that idea by using chatgpt for ideas and i have way be...
chatgpt ideas 🗣️
do be cooking...
icy scroll
So I made a gen 7 anything goes team to beat a friend, put mega Mewtwo y in because he had a mega Rayquaza, (and blizzard kills his whole team) and proceeded to hit blizzard 11 times in a roe
Is that a lot?
loud eagle
Assuming there wasn’t hail, no guard, compound eyes, wide lens or anything else that affects accuracy, the chances of hitting eleven 70% accuracy moves in a row is 0.7^11 which is about 1.4% which makes it rare but something you would expect to see once every 75 games or so
quiet salmon
how do you hit blizzard 11 times when it has 8 pp
red spear
I assume 2 separate mons
kindred bloom
a sand team for if dex ou
You opened up my imagination with a few of these mons, Thanks a bunch.!
thorny tendon
Looking for teambuilding experts to test a new tournament format!
Hi everyone, I'm a YouTuber hosting an invite only tournament with a unique format but need some help testing the format and some additional details.
If you're a teambuilding enthusiast and have a few hours free over the next couple days, DM me on here. Note that it's not fusions currently but the format could be accommodating, just need solid teambuilders which Fusions enthusiasts tend to be 🙂
I'm extra interested in your input if you:
- played a lot of high ladder Gen6 OU
- love talking about meta and matchups
- have experience with draft leagues and/or TCGs (specifically limited formats)
red spear
@quiet salmon
quiet salmon
i have never played gen 6 ou let alone high ladder gen 6 ou
red spear
rip
slim lintel
anyone know a good Lucario fusion for a sandstorm team
snow pike
Lucario isn't really good
There may be a fusion but it's only niche as a fighting and steel type is extreme speed as far as im aware
sterile glacier
Lucario just isn't quite fast or hard-hitting enough for modern Pokemon
minor cradle
I mean its good enough statwise
the real issue is
there are better fusions
dnite for espeed, for fighting u have melo-p, for steel (fake) u have metagross jirachi
gusty burrow
Disagree on the good stats, agree with everything else though
minor cradle
goated stab combo but idk if it's any good
haxorus is better, gives way more atk
imagine zygarde 50% with sandslash/haxorus's attack stat and sand rush in perma sand
thats what it is
!!!
quiet salmon
best item for a mew/mew
you shouldnt fuse a mon with itself in the first place
grave goblet
you shouldnt fuse a mon with itself in the first place
true
snow pike
Who is better?
im aiming for slowphan but im not sure
the other one has better defenses overall
Also what is a good moveset?
spin scald knock?
minor cradle
spin and knock r the main things u get from donphan so yeah use those
eq too ig
u can use whatever
gusty burrow
That one stall team Anaconja used has/had a slowbro/donphan, its a good regen pivot with spin. Very passive though
honest umbra
https://pokepast.es/3dec992d4f0dafd0
I have concerns with moveset choices with sylveon/tox and kyurem/krookodile,
not super attached to the mons besides the type cores of fighting/dark/fairy and defensive fairy/steel/dragon
Sweepers lose to strong priority pretty badly due to frailty, feels week agaisnt faster sweepers like hax/slash in the sand (cloud nine ice type????)
don't feel super motivated to fix it myself
have fun tearing this shit apart because I made it in like ten minutes lol
minor cradle
what does telekenisis even do 
gusty burrow
Telekinesis lowers your opponents evasion, so you don't miss any of your other 3 100% accurate moves
maiden pulsar
Ok, I was more of a casual player but I've read up on some comp strats and I think I cooked up a doubles team here:
Bobo: Bulky Wish Cleric. Can set Toxic Spikes, Bunker if Protect is needed. otherwise, he can sub in mid-match to Wish into Parting Shot to heal someone. Definitely going to be my Ace.
Tricky Richard: Prankster Trick Room setter. This is gonna be a Trick Room team.
Fat Dragon: Bulky Physical guy. Mainly added for type coverage and to utilize Unaware to try and halt sweepers.
Happy Boi: Toxic Orb + Poison Heal Bulky Physical Attacker. Has Swords Dance if he can set up.
Derpisauras: Choice Band Mold Breaker. Another Bulky Physical guy.
Fat Rose: Fast Choice Specs Attacker. In case the Trick Room plan Fails or I need to rely on SpA to crack through a High Defense Wall.
Probably not the best team, but that's my first go at a draft. Could probably turn this into a Singles team by swapping out Tricky Richard for a Prankster Spikes setter instead with Murkcrow+Fortress or something.
minor cradle
Probably not the best team, but that's my first go at a draft. Could probably tu...
wait your saying
this is
a doubles team...?
maiden pulsar
That was the intent. But again, I'm not too keen on Comp matches. Just a casual player trying to make a Double team cause Trick Room is best in Doubles, yea?
minor cradle
Yeah this does seem like a casual player team
maiden pulsar
I figured. What's the go to ideas for a Doubles Team? Will the Umbreon/Tox fit on a doubles team at all?
minor cradle
well since ur tryna do tr lets just say ur tryna make a tr doubles team
i'll just try and givr an example of a full tr team for doubles
maiden pulsar
ok
minor cradle
gimme like 5-15 minutes to make smth rq
maiden pulsar
Yea, cause the entire team can change, but the Umbreon/Pax Fusion is the only expection. I want to have an Umbreon Fusion somewhere on the team.
sterile glacier
Doubles is generally a faster paced meta, thus making entry hazards much less useful
minor cradle
i mean its fine in doubles 6v6, slotting it is harder though
quiet salmon
its got the look of a webs ho team but not nearly enough setup
muted nimbus
what should i add?
quiet salmon
taking things one at a time the web setter needs to have either sr or spikes (preferably sr bc it hits everything) bc you want to break sash
otherwise you lose to other offense teams that load sash
muted nimbus
like this?
quiet salmon
entei is a p good physical wallbreaker on webs but dd/sd is better
muted nimbus
i like the immediate power of band more
quiet salmon
band loses you momentum against resists
and on ho teams you cant lose momentum
glaceon likewise has problems of getting forced out easily by resists (but more serious this time bc having predict between its stabs and hp ground is quite bad)
sylveon and rhyperior are too slow and lack setup to be effective in webs
hawlucha is an idea but curse only gets you +1 atk which is unimpressive
also never use flying press because you dont hit steels/rocks se
meanwhile you have severe weaknesses to espeed so id recommend something like this to replace the current hawlucha
iron head is considerable just for flinch chance and accuracy
to replace glaceon id recommend a stallbreaker that can reasonably get through unaware such as these
honest umbra
Telekinesis lowers your opponents evasion, so you don't miss any of your other 3...
I love misinformation
basically the movepool is ass and I figured it'd be a funny way to piss off a ground type
gusty burrow
Thats just lowering evasion with extra steps
honest umbra
also because i definitely clicked magnet rise
i was very tired
I was confused by that comment because of that sorry lol
snow pike
**Bobo**: Bulky Wish Cleric. Can set Toxic Spikes, Bunker if Protect is needed. ...
Prankster trick room doesn't work
snow pike
https://pokepast.es/897ae34cfd0341cb
For fun I combined my ultra moon and violet playthrough teams with fusions, I'm wasn't really sure what to do with Tauros/Lycanroc and Maushold/Hawlucha, there just wasn't much left that could fuse well
maus removes the hazards and deals like 3 dmg lol
gusty burrow
Prankster trick room doesn't work
Technically it does work, but its still negative priority overall
snow pike
Goes from minus 5 to minus 4?
snow pike
https://pokepast.es/897ae34cfd0341cb
For fun I combined my ultra moon and violet...
just played with it and: raiscarada is really fun to use
The rest aren't as good but clodcin and salaedge are usable
quiet salmon
Goes from minus 5 to minus 4?
no -7 to -6
gleaming otter
Melo-P / Lycanroc-Midnight is a fusion I got hit with once and it seems great
- Mankey's Paw raises your crit ratio by three stages but halves your accuracy (which no guard negates)
- rest is self-explanatory, especially since stone edge is basically 150 bp
minor cradle
Too bad no guard mankeys paw is gonna get fixed soon
gleaming otter
Too bad no guard mankeys paw is gonna get fixed soon
😔
minor cradle
annoying ass bug
gleaming otter
annoying ass bug
is it a bug? these mechanics seem to work as one would imagine
minor cradle
first time i've seen somebody not use machamp or golurk for dynamic punch with this
minor cradle
is it a bug? these mechanics seem to work as one would imagine
Yes
gleaming otter
first time i've seen somebody not use machamp or golurk for dynamic punch with t...
far too slow
minor cradle
far too slow
Yeah but its still a fucking pain, as long as it gets in freely it just haxes ur defensive mons
but its shit anyways
gleaming otter
should still be 50%
That sounds different to the other move-affecting items but I guess it's on purpose
Not sure how they'd code that though.
minor cradle
That sounds different to the other move-affecting items but I guess it's on purp...
Yeah
Doesnt work here so shouldn't work on showdown
quiet salmon
https://pokepast.es/2727393a67869a18
aegislashabsol is bad - none of the stats are particularly high, super luck is a very mid ability (night slash hits 105 50% of the time but you couldve just used knock off for 97.5 100% of the time), and the gimmick of clicking autotomize + specthief is pretty hosed by the fact that your sash will often be broken by hazards
my advice is to have a defensive aegislash fusion, something like milotic/aegislash or clefable/aegislash who have the bulk to take hits
sylvern fell off hard with boomburst ban and is now pretty much unusuable because the damage output is simply not there anymore. 105 spa does not cut it without a 156 bp move. also defog is middling when things like ttar/clefable set rocks and dont care about its attacks and just whittle it down
jirachininjask is simply too gimmicky to work - sure you can spam iron head somewhat but some of the most common regen walls are water or steel (and a lot of steel resists just wall you anyway through sheer bulk) so you dont really do anything. also wish on a 316 hp mon is very bad
if you want serene grace then id recommend something with setup like jirachihaxorus, as ddance makes it actually deal damage and becomes very annoying to deal with defensively
toxapexquagsire simply lacks bulk to pull off unaware and poison/ground is not impressive physdef wise (you are weak to eq)
itd be much better if it were something like quagsiresteelix or clefablesuicune or clefabledusclops as those have much more bulk and less exploitable typings
banetteambipom lacks power - similar to ambipom, fake out is easily walled by stuff like steels/waters and because you didnt put any speed evs you just lose to setup sweepers before you can click specthief
if you want a revengekiller look into sylveondragonite or ursaringdragonite
kingerhaxorus has no sheer force boosted moves, that kind of speaks for itself
if you want a water scarfer you could use kinglermeloettapiruoette though i doubt its viability bc cc is not boosted either
glacial eagle
aegislashabsol is bad - none of the stats are particularly high, super luck is a...
Thank you for the feedback, I'm just now getting into this game and I expected for me to not know what I was doing in the slightest. I'll do some more research into the meta of this game to have more competitive teams.
From what I'm seeing, my team is too gimmicky and lacks enough raw power to justify any of the gimmicks.
quiet salmon
the team has not enough defensive mons while not having the momentum to support its offensive mons mostly
glacial eagle
Is there anywhere I can find a list of viable fusions for different purposes? So I can get a better idea of how to make them.
quiet salmon
unfortunately not
best there is is my tier list ig
might make some role compendium if im motivated enough
glacial eagle
Guess I'll just have to figure out some better sets.
glacial eagle
ty
quiet salmon
(outdated though bc this was pre boomburst ban/permaweather)
id move ttar to a-, aurorus to b- while dropping noivern to like d
if you post your revised team i can take a look again
gleaming otter
doublade unranked is tragic
this is definitely old enough so not a lot of comments to be made but that stuck out to me
gleaming otter
ah
it'd be fair enough to bump it up to A+ or even S
spectral thief eviolite is so so good
sudden girder
may I ask why slowbro is so much lower than slowking?
Is the extra special bulk that valuable or is it something else?
gleaming otter
may I ask why slowbro is so much lower than slowking?
Is the extra special bulk ...
with noivern running around special bulk + regenerator was probably more appreciated. on the physical side you have better options than slowbro for bulky regen (toxapex/tangrowth)
gleaming otter
although tbh I don't think slowking is particularly good
sudden girder
I quite enjoy slowbro tbh
gleaming otter
retyped that
slowbro is good with doublade
slowking feels worse than just running snorlax with gliscor/golbat and calling it a day
sudden girder
Snorlax/Golbat?
I am unfamiliar with that one, what does it do?
gleaming otter
Snorlax/Golbat?
I am unfamiliar with that one, what does it do?
basically just a poor man's snorlax/gliscor
it's a loot more passive but in exchange you get thick fat + eviolite
which leads to you checking ice types
gleaming otter
oh that sounds fun
it is
the sheer bulk means that you get 3hko'd by electrode-alakazam's thunderbolt
which isn't particularly useful but it is ridiculous that you can do that
sudden girder
it is
the sheer bulk means that you get 3hko'd by electrode-alakazam's thunderbo...
goddamn
gleaming otter
252 SpA Abomasnow Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Thick Fat Golbat: 68-84 (14.5 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO
also funny stats like that
gleaming otter
how does it do into nidoking?
embarrasses 90% of nidoking fusions
setup ones don't like toxic/roost
you get 3hko'd by jolteon/nidoking thunderbolt though
sudden girder
oh wow
sudden girder
i have been using a clefable/Porygon2 fusion to combat special attackers
But I might swap
gleaming otter
👍
I think snorcor is still noticeably better due to passive recovery/a good moveset but snorbat isn't horribly far behind and has it's use cases
sudden girder
fair but I already use Gliscor/Rhyperior on my team
gleaming otter
fair
gleaming otter
any good rapid spinners?
I guess forretress
for hazard removal it's mostly the rare defogger
forretress also has volt switch so it's not actually bad
you could make something work with tentacruel I guess
quiet salmon
may I ask why slowbro is so much lower than slowking?
Is the extra special bulk ...
slowking is much better as head than slowbro
gleaming otter
fair but I already use Gliscor/Rhyperior on my team
or give this defog (which is hard if not on stall)
sudden girder
or give this defog (which is hard if not on stall)
it is stall
But Gliscor fusion already have 4mss so I dont think it can fit
gleaming otter
it is stall
if you play well enough you could make a xatu fusion work
sudden girder
I think its better if I just show my team : https://pokepast.es/2de89542d788e475
Yes it is an abomination
gleaming otter
exxeguthorn is definitely a meme
the rest of the team is fine though
not really a meme
sudden girder
I quite like eggy for punishing uturn and its also best way ferrotthorn keeps its typing while getting access to reliable recovery.
Or maybe I missed some mon
gleaming otter
I quite like eggy for punishing uturn and its also best way ferrotthorn keeps it...
tangrowth
does mostly the same thing but with better stats and you can use regenerator
sudden girder
Tangrowth doesnt give ferro access to a recovery move and it becomes quite vulnerable to knock, as eggys main purpose is punishing contact moves and being a sudo knock absorber
gleaming otter
Tangrowth doesnt give ferro access to a recovery move and it becomes quite vulne...
Yes it does, it has synthesis!
sudden girder
oh wow i totally missed that.
Still doesnt solve the knock problem
gleaming otter
oh wow i totally missed that.
Still doesnt solve the knock problem
rhycor is an excellent knock absorber
@sudden girder that was me by the way haha
my strategy for dealing with silly stuff like the starmie fusion was to have the sixth slot in my stall team be an extreme speed fusion
sudden girder
that isnt really stall then?
rather bulky offense
sudden girder
rhycor is an excellent knock absorber
Only having one knock absorber seems a bit lacking
gleaming otter
that isnt really stall then?
rather bulky offense
I suppose? I remember many gen 5 teams have 5 stall mons + magnezone and they were still considered stall. It's not really bulky offense if there's only one offensive mon
sudden girder
my strategy for dealing with silly stuff like the starmie fusion was to have the...
looking back at it now eggy kinda shits on it if I invest in Spd, as you cant oneshot it and immedialtly lose your specs afterwards it becomes a lot more doable.
gleaming otter
looking back at it now eggy kinda shits on it if I invest in Spd, as you cant on...
exeggutor can't really come in
but this is fair enough
sudden girder
No it cant But it is something to switch in after you got a K.O.
Not like anything switches into a adaptability rain choice specs STAB boosted Surf.
and its something starmie doesnt want to switch in if eggy is full hp.
I didnt expect the fireblast from Nido so good teambuilding there?
Seems kinda antisynergistic with rain tbh
gleaming otter
and its something starmie doesnt want to switch in if eggy is full hp.
I didnt e...
gets rid of grass/steel types
minor cradle
that isnt really stall then?
rather bulky offense
if u run like 5 dedicated stall mons + 1 unmon its semi stall
gleaming otter
if u run like 5 dedicated stall mons + 1 unmon its semi stall
dnite is about as far away as possible from an unmon tbf
minor cradle
when i say unmon i meant a not stall pokemon
quiet salmon
kinda confusing though ngl
gleaming otter
what is unmon
unaware?
a mon that's so bad it basically doesn't exist
snow pike
So a shitmon
gleaming otter
more or less
https://pokepast.es/438a46e5472ec5d0 oldish suicune/gliscor gen 7 IF team
- Ninetales/Entei's main purpose is to put pressure on bulkier/stall structures but outside of those it struggles to do much
- Suicor has won more games singlehandedly than any pokemon on this list. If the opponent's electric type is doing it can more or less win on the spot but even w/o ever clicking calm mind it does great as a phys wall
snow pike
but more respectful sounding
gleaming otter
but more respectful sounding <:heehee:945800365457149992>
yup 😔
snow pike
I don't really build teams like this but I'd like to know, is this a realistic stall breaker to come across or are other mons used
being weak to scald obviously making this already sound less ideal
gleaming otter
I don't really build teams like this but I'd like to know, is this a realistic s...
- why not fire blast?
putting that aside I've made a decent few stall teams and the only mon that would stop this was an umbreon/goodra fusion
so it does the job
although this is like
unusable in a lot of matchups
this also gets stopped by a lanturn/goodra fusion but these are pretty niche
also no setup is unfortunate
minor cradle
I don't really build teams like this but I'd like to know, is this a realistic s...
i mean its realistic enough
would get at least
2 ko's if used properly
i'd prefer a diff mon though since this isnt going to do much defensively and not to mention its low speed
gleaming otter
I have not seen a single kecleon fusion
For good reason, yes, but I'm sure there's like, a non-shitmon fusion that could work
Kecetta (Kecleon) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Color Change
Fusion: Meloetta-Pirouette
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch
this is the absolute closest you'll get assuming you want something with speed
if you were willing to cope with being mini-ursaluna, though
Kecpardos (Kecleon) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
Fusion: Rampardos
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Punch
snow pike
Kecetta (Kecleon) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Color Change
Fusion: Meloetta-Pirou...
Don't you want protean
gleaming otter
Don't you want protean
yes, that was error
snow pike
ah
Yeah i dunno, protean sounds fun but kec just doesn't have the stats for it
gleaming otter
trying to make a trick room team (for the sake of seeing how far I can go)
most of the difficulty has just been finding mons that can abuse trick room enough
a lot of these mons underwhelm more than I'd like
Ability: Protean
Fusion: Rampardos
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance
- Thunder Punch``` this is the best abuser I've gotten lol
native helm
most of the difficulty has just been finding mons that can abuse trick room enou...
Yeah ive noticed that fusing limits trick room options.
How about something like a (possibly choice) slaking fusion lead that opens with Hammer arm to stunt itself for trick room?
gleaming otter
Yeah ive noticed that fusing limits trick room options.
How about something like...
Isn’t slaking banned?
native helm
No idea what's banned. Probably. Slaking fusions sound cracked
The premise is the same, though - finding pokemon that operate like trick room Victini
gleaming otter
Tail glow + Magic guard/Regen do seem like good tools
Potentially!
native helm
so like instead of slaking, maybe metagross
sudden girder
maybe feraligator with Flareon? base 121 attack sheerforce life orb boosted Liquadations and flareblitzes do sound juicy : or is base 69 speed to fast?
native helm
69 speed is too fast for most trick room teams
sudden girder
fair
native helm
awkward base speed for both normal and trick room setups
sudden girder
but arent most fast mons in this game like 100 plus?
native helm
the like 60-80 base speed is weird
sudden girder
ye makes sense
native helm
this is coming from VGC/Smogon Singles formats knowledge
idk how fast this format's meta is
or even what's used lol
trick room pokemon like taking advantage of moves like Gyro ball
so some Ferrothorn fusions might be interesting
sudden girder
aggron?
native helm
yeah aggron's a good body pokemon
high base Atk, Def, low base speed
but does body pass on its steel or rock typing, I forget
native helm
sure but you have access to leech seed ingrain
you can probably stall them out
(if typing isnt trash)
sudden girder
wait no aggron rhyperior
native helm
yeah grass rock is rough
sudden girder
ground rock
native helm
ground rock holds it back a lot
rhyperior aggron is probably better
that being said
56 SpD means it probably dies to like a flamethrower anyways
100 base health tho
sudden girder
rhyperior machamp?
native helm
now we're cooking
native helm
ground fighting is a mean physical combo
sudden girder
with 50 base speed
native helm
yeah
native helm
Guts is listed as a hidden ability though
so you might only have access to no guard / solid rock
terrible typing
but
a Guts rampardos is one hell of a wallbreaker
native helm
oh i see
sudden girder
does die to mach punch tho
sudden girder
luckily i havent seen that move in forever
native helm
set up misty terrain for speed control
but at that point that's a lot of support for 1 mon
sudden girder
you only have 5 turns of trick room
native helm
lots of the trick room offenders I know aren't around
beeheyem, indeedee
escava, emboar, etc.
sudden girder
reuniclus?
native helm
Reuniclus is here at least
sudden girder
sylveon?
native helm
sylveon is used on trick rooms?
native helm
could probably fuse it decently with reuniclus
sudden girder
fairy psychic?
native helm
fairy psychic is alright
sudden girder
doesnt it get walled by steels?
native helm
yeah but it doesn't get walled much by anything else
sudden girder
like yeah you got focus blast but thats focus miss
native helm
it's a combo that helps but isn't carrying the mon
sudden girder
what ability?
it got 3 great ones
life orb with magic guard?
regen
or pixalate?
native helm
Reuniclus body looks better
regenerator might be interesting if you have like an intimidate U-turn pivot mon
wait is the standard format singles or doubles?
native helm
gross
gimme a sec to cook
so its base stats have okay hp, but mediocre defenses
typing is ground dark, we can cook real good with those
poison dark is almost enough to carry things like Drapion higher than it deserves to be
and things like Water/Ground are really mean too
native helm
looking through rn
sudden girder
intimaders should stick around no?
native helm
yeah but we'd be looking more to pair with like fake-out and decent bulk
typing is also a consideration
Inciniroar is the bar to beat, basically
95/90/90 defenses with fire/dark typing, only weak to fighting ground rock and water which are 3/4 for physical types
parting shot, fake out, flare blitz, knock off
so i'm seeing if I can cook something meaner than one of the meanest VGC mons
sudden girder
why fake out?
aint fake out mid in singles?
btw arbok/umbreon (umbreon also gets parting shot and it has wish)
native helm
fake out is mid so it's not that high of a priority
it's mostly only there to break sturdy/sash
disguise too
but I don't think it flinches in that case
native helm
good
native helm
oh yeah lmao
is it pre or post nerf disguise?
bootleg lando-T
a little faster than you want your intimidate pivot to be tho
at 87
same idea
https://www.fusiondex.org/361.245/
sudden girder
love the sprite
native helm
yea autogen sprites are goofy
this could be pretty mean:
https://www.fusiondex.org/361.364/
sudden girder
what typ?
native helm
ground steel is alright typing, access to leech seed, parting shot, intimidate
slow so as a lead or out of trick room it can take hits, but can gyro ball in trick room reliably so it's also pretty mean as a janitor
native helm
steel electric?
native helm
yeah also pretty mean
sudden girder
and its bulk aint horrible
native helm
intimidate probably more meaningful than guts though
since any ferro fusion is a defensive one
sudden girder
this one wouldnt be
it would be an offensive trickroom gyroball spammer
you could also go ursaring ferrt
if you want a 4x fighting weakness rather than a 4x ground weakness
native helm
Luxray is 100% a fusion I keep in mind though, mono electric means it's really good at making somethings type better
limited mostly by a weak movepool, monotype, and speed in base game
sudden girder
it still suffers from being a physical electric typ