but that's for later, I gotta go
#showdown-teambuilding
hushed junco
quiet salmon
some standard shed stuff
quiet salmon
id probably put boomburst higher bc two mons use it well
albeit they both get walled by the same meta staple
tired comet
Which is....?
quiet salmon
regenvest water steel
tired comet
h
I see.
I didn't know that was meta
Maybe I should run one of those in my WIP rain team....
Oh wait Toxapex has no custom sprites
:(
quiet salmon
epic fail
tired comet
Oh wait there's the Slowpoke line
cedar kraken
no sprites for those either
muted oar
I didn't know that was meta
I mean is it????
tired comet
Anaconja said it, therefore I must accept it without question.
But being able to tank the ultra powerful Boombursts and E-Speeds and recovering without consequence must be really good.
simple summit
Regen Steel is really good in general
Tangrowth+Jirachi is reasonable although non Choice Boombursters will flamethrower it down
cedar kraken
more meme sweepers
dies to doom blade priority
20% chance to cause insta forfeits due to creeping the opponent out
tired comet
The opponent gets so scared that they close the browser and disconnect their internet.
A great tactic.
Also- Jynx gets Quiver Dance?
cedar kraken
yup
tired comet
That's funny.
tired comet
With Dry Skin she could be a Rain sweeper lol
cedar kraken
yeah but then you have to go back to weaksauce ice beam
tired comet
Perfect accuracy? Kinda cringe.
tired comet
Gen 1 Hypnosis strats
cedar kraken
maybe I should be running wide lens on this haha
then everything is perfectly accurate
tired comet
You don't like banking on 2% fails?
cedar kraken
well, it'd make blizzard and thunder effectively 100% accurate
tired comet
You kinda lose out on power.
Then again, you're running Expert Belt. Wide Lens is great for the funny.
cedar kraken
the funny Electivire ass sweeper wouldn't be complete without ebelt
tired comet
cedar kraken
...george?
muted oar
There's so much insanely bulky stuff in this meta
tired comet
Well, in a meta where Toxapex, Ferrothorn and Gliscor can use the power of friendship and teamwork....
cedar kraken
everything is insane here
chonky stuff is chonky
strong stuff will make you thank your lucky stars that the bulky stuff exists
(or you die anyway)
muted oar
Well, in a meta where Toxapex, Ferrothorn and Gliscor can use the power of frien...
See if they kept the type exclusions as they should have then steelix would be everywhere too
If steelix could contribute its body stats and it's steel typing
In game people would use Venusaur/Steelix and it was kinda nuts
Or you could use it with anything, crazy body stats+steel typing
hushed junco
Also- Jynx gets Quiver Dance?
Aggron does as well 
quiet salmon
Tangrowth+Jirachi is reasonable although non Choice Boombursters will flamethrow...
thats why water steel is good
simple summit
a set i want to toy with is np silk scarf
Poryvern (Porygon-Z) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Noivern
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Boomburst
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
where you kinda bluff choice with boomburst or just click it vs offense anyways
and then np tbolt/flamethrower the steels
and something something pursuit and webs support
muted oar
Poryvern (Porygon-Z) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Noivern
EV...
I mean, nasty plot is a massive boost and all, but you'll just be worn down by priority/scarfers given the low bulk. One mach punch, one Pixilate Espeed, one scarfed Pixilate boomburst, I think you get the point.
That's why it just works better as a nuke than just a setup sweeper imo
simple summit
well thats the thing with poryvern is like
it only needs to set up vs the really bulky things
against all those other mons you can just click boomburst
and if they are priority users, being scarf wouldn't have helped anyways
so you are slotting NP as an option if they bring something like AV steel/water or steel/grass, otherwise proceed as normal
fallow osprey
I bring roost personally just incase it needs healing
muted oar
it only needs to set up vs the really bulky things
And like 90% of them have unaware, that nullifies nasty plot but not specs
Personally I prefer specs as the best set
Cuz you're just spamming boomburst 99% of the time
muted oar
and if they are priority users, being scarf wouldn't have helped anyways
Yeah I wouldn't run scarf anyway
Specs is way better against unaware mons, and it's better against anything that wouldn't let you set up
And you may KO the scarf/specs users but you'd get either a switch in hit, or not take the damage from the setup turn for NP
lofty scroll
Cooking something... probably will be dreadful but its something I haven't seen before.
gusty burrow
Scarf allows you to be a revenge killer as a trade of for worse wallbreaking
muted oar
Scarf allows you to be a revenge killer as a trade of for worse wallbreaking
Yeah but you're already Hella fast w/o scarf, unless you're revenge killing already at +1/+2 speed you're fine
honest umbra
considering the incoming addition of meloetta, has anyone theory crafted anything interesting
honest umbra
was my first gut thing because electric fighting is p'nice
vestal rivet
could do the better version of weavile + ape
honest umbra
not keen on a 4x fairy weakness
quiet salmon
was my first gut thing because electric fighting is p'nice
p*nches
quiet salmon
and plasma fists
quiet salmon
but ground being good means phys electrics are challenging
quiet salmon
Ability: Serene Grace
Fusion: Meloetta-Pirouette
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- U-turn```reading incoming mons
¯_(ツ)_/¯
trying to decide which ones I like the most
honest umbra
flying/ghost
¯_(ツ)_/¯
i know
ironic
also a not terrible flareon fusion is crazy
vestal rivet
flame orb on a fire type...
quiet salmon
Ability: Guts
Fusion: Meloetta-Pirouette
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Facade
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance```
of all the guts mons why did you choose the one with firethats too bad isnt it
honest umbra
fr
also I'm like halfway through with this I'm so annoyed rn
neon stuff is me taking outlines so I can isolate layers because otherwise I get confused
void willow
If Flareon's completely useless 95 points in SpA was moved to either HP or Speed, you could probably squeeze some use out of it, but alas, it is what it is (and this is also coming from someone who likes Flareon)
honest umbra
i mean, no duh
I mean toxic orb is a niche
if a dumb one
Not like I can take offense, 65 speed is abysmal
cedar kraken
you're doing the wrong porygon fusions smh my head
gusty burrow
Finally, normal/fighting Meloetta
cedar kraken
scrapes bottom of barrel
sterile glacier
Wow, that's really scraping the bottom of the barrel
gentle pine
*scrapes bottom of barrel*
That should prolly be scarf
Fast dynamic punch that doesn’t miss could be very annoying to deal with lol
red spear
You gotta run Serene Grace, 200% confusion chance is too good to pass up
hazy crescent
what are we thing yay or nay
ev'd to out seespeed Zapmolticuno by 1
serne grace zipzap over explolsion aftermath is problay better, but this is funnier
tired comet
Local sphere really really wants to die
hazy crescent
another idea from my vault base 63 speed killed this mon
it can also run marvel scale
idea without priority
tired comet
Off-brand Sceptile
hazy crescent
facts
quiet salmon
what are we thing yay or nay
wtf is this
quiet salmon
idea without priority
no setup unburden does nothing esp when the unburden item is lum
cedar kraken
meme sweeper of the day (Unfortunately Gyarados' typing doesn't work with Jirachi).
tired comet
Hey at least it looks cool
cedar kraken
you know what, I should run metronome on this
hazy crescent
New def wall droped
tired comet
That SpDef
and SpA EVs when your only move is Whirlpool
Might as well go for good ol RegenVest with a few offensive moves
muted oar
New def wall droped
Giga F tier
muted oar
and SpA EVs when your only move is Whirlpool
Okay but it's only 4 bro
muted oar
Sure but you can put'em on SpD
Ya already know one Special attack and you're dead lulz
tired comet
I'm trying to optimise the silly 
tired comet
You should go to jail for this.
tired comet
death
Unfortunately it seems most of your fusions are unevolved mons
If only Little Cup existed....
neat sigil
he is a pretty bird
tired comet
True!
muted oar
True actually
neat sigil
reinhardt is a pretty bird flying in the warm air
stiff gate
simple summit
It does have some very strong fusions
Kangaskhan gives you 115 Speed Scrappy Normal/Fighting, Lucario same Speed and typing but with Swords Dance ExtremeSpeed (no Scrappy tho)
Idk if either those are better than Ekiller Kanga Lucario but budget Mega Lopunny is still decent
rustic light
Seen a lot of theory crafting for pirouette, especially since it can be used without relic song restrictions and can just start out the battle with high attack and speed, but does aria seem to have any potential? On paper it seems to because of head stats but idk for sure
void willow
Aria is a lot harder to justify due to having to compete with Porygon-Z
Obviously it still has great head stats and Serene Grace, but it'll definitely be overlooked in favour of literally the only viable Adaptability mon in IF Dex
simple summit
Aria doesn't seem super noteworthy in the grand scheme of things when it comes to normal types
I guess crobat passes it Nasty Plot and Serene Grace Air Slash, that hits 116 Speed which is pretty good but beyond that idk
rustic light
Makes sense, adaptability plus higher base special attack do put it leagues above aria, not to mention adaptability can support the other mon you’re fused with, statuses are nice but they can’t really carry all the way
void willow
I guess crobat passes it Nasty Plot and Serene Grace Air Slash, that hits 116 Sp...
This is about as close as we can get to having Shaymin-S in the game lmao
rustic light
… was actually talking to someone who really wanted shaymin, that might be another really solid point to adding shaymin. High base speed, pretty sure body keeps flying type, naturally knows air slash, can remove grass typing weaknesses, lot of solid points for it
void willow
Unfortunately Sky forme is 100% going straight to Ubers if Shaymin is ever added to the game
muted oar
Why don't people use Lucario for Espeed?
rustic light
I think because it doesn’t naturally get STAB, and for a move that can’t be SE you need to do decent damage
simple summit
Lucario is the only Espeeder with Swords Dance which is good, you could just slap a normal on it for STAB
Kangaskhan also gives it Scrappy and Scrappy Normal/Fighting STAB is unresisted so there ya go
hallow axle
guy detected
shy nexus
fucking real thats awesome
muted oar
guy detected
Can't believe I didn't think of that
cedar kraken
Why don't people use Lucario for Espeed?
dragonite is essentially almost always better
outside of a couple points in speed (which is still eh at 90), it's got better stats everywhere
the main selling points would be SD and Fighting stab, but with most viable dnite fusions already hitting like trucks on fire unboosted I reckon the speed boost from DD turns out to be more valuable than the extra power boost
hallow axle
yeah that thing is really strong lol
dim jackal
yeah that thing is really strong lol
the team
dim jackal
was to kill donbozo's
when I made the team curse donbozo was common
So I just went boom
hallow axle
yeah that'll just level them
hallow axle
espeed with galvanize and STAB will also hit hard
that type of tech is why I really like sylvern
same thing just without boom
dim jackal
Boom works in some cases well tho
Just a nuke
im doing a draft league for if dex
this is my team
quiet salmon
no good spd wall donor 
dim jackal
no good spd wall donor <:11:1013533351543586816>
regice?
dim jackal
"good"
regice is good what do you mean
In a fusion format I can create some good fusions with it
Like this is just 1 of the possible 3 combo's I have
Has the best offensive type combo in the game too
gusty burrow
Like this is just 1 of the possible 3 combo's I have
Nevermind oh my god
quiet salmon
Like this is just 1 of the possible 3 combo's I have
weak to fire water grass as a spd wall
How?
dim jackal
Nevermind oh my god
we also have
dim jackal
Nevermind oh my god
and an annoying mon like this
Not the absolute meta walls but some fun combo's
teal obsidian
Who do you think has the best draft team?
I like this MrSchrubelhupf guys team
unironically I think time_walk managed to get the best team
vestal rivet
genuinely i think the quality of most of the drafts is pretty close together, we got kinda lucky in that regard
gusty burrow
I never realised she got sun and rain
teal obsidian
hes cookin
vestal rivet
lmfao honestly i think the potential of goofiness with what i did ended up working out for the best anyways
there was definitely a few oversights oops vulpix costs 7 but
teal obsidian
murkrow was also quite the bargain
vestal rivet
LOL
im glad i slightly highballed the average price of the nfes and lcs that weren't listed
gusty burrow
Time has shedinja without sturdy
vestal rivet
shedinja only has 1 hp if you take wonder guard
otherwise it can have a normal hp stat
its still not very good, but
teal obsidian
~~its still not very good, but~~
having a normal hp stat makes it worse
cuz that means it cant sturdinja
vestal rivet
i think she took it to prevent schrubelhupf from getting any silly fear pokemon
teal obsidian
doesnt work tho, nothings stopping me from making aron lvl one
vestal rivet
😭
teal obsidian
but Ive also got Flygonball Z, so u should be packing ur ghosts either way
vestal rivet
i cant believe i rated flygon highly over the fact that it was another pokemon with boomburst
then forgot to take it from you
LOL
teal obsidian
Vibravaball Z wouldve been fine as well
gusty burrow
I was thinking of vibrava
That was why I mentioned unlisted mons in the first place
main rapids
no good spd wall donor <:11:1013533351543586816>
lax 😵💫
quiet salmon
if only this guy had lax
main rapids
Time has shedinja without sturdy
I picked it just so the aron guy couldn't 😭
quiet salmon
doesnt sturdy shed not have 1 hp
main rapids
apparently not
quiet salmon
i assume wonder guard is banned
vestal rivet
yup
quiet salmon
then whats the point of this mon
main rapids
was like 3 points or smthn
vestal rivet
ya
quiet salmon
surely there must have been better
vestal rivet
i mean it is not like a highly competitive thing LOL
neat sigil
fucking real thats awesome
thanks
gusty burrow
There was a turn 1 Unown pick
gusty burrow
100% agree, but round 1
fallow osprey
Very competitive choice, not at all for the funnies
vestal rivet
i should have rewarded you more tbh, just for how hard it made me laugh
fallow osprey
Next time
gusty burrow
Next time make unranked LC mons 1 point and spend 100 points to get all of them
fallow osprey
Me and my 100 pokemon pulling up to each and every battle (they can't all be beaten surely)
gusty burrow
The moxie Heracross about to get to +100:
fallow osprey
My one beat up mon:
gentle pine
Like this is just 1 of the possible 3 combo's I have
Please avoid any stray Rock Smashes lol
Don’t want this guy gettin taken down by a Machop
Oh, my bad
Ground just was Rock in my mind for some reason lmao
Brain was not braining for a sec
It do be having 5 weaknesses and only 1 resist and 1 immune tho
gentle pine
unironically I think time_walk managed to get the best team
I think so too. GliscLax and just having Smeargle in general to have any move in the game (and moody if you want) can be really strong.
gentle pine
Stats are low, but the idea behind it isn’t bad I guess
hazy crescent
I like wish juggling there are other bugs that can do the job
gentle pine
There’s definitely something better than Illumise that you could use
Grass also accomplishes essentially the same thing.
hazy crescent
fair
hazy crescent
there are no weakness with bug something bulky enough with good recovery
wish still has 16pp btw
still doesn't compare to the original and it's perfect design
gentle pine
Immediately, Venomoth comes to mind for Quiver Dance. Idk if it would take Bug or Poison though
hazy crescent
good idea
gentle pine
Also Butterfree
And in that same vein, maybe Volcarona? Though I think that would take fire?
hazy crescent
hazy crescent
yea for ag not for ou
gentle pine
Oh yeah, forgot to ask which format lol
gentle pine
Isn’t Heatran banned in both?
hazy crescent
yea
gentle pine
Are you in nat dex?
hazy crescent
random set
hazy crescent
yea
all good
I wanted to build nat dex with all attention on the format right now
gentle pine
It’s what most people play, so that’s what I was looking at lol
hazy crescent
I perfer IF dex
gentle pine
Steel Beam seems to go against what you’re trying to do though, imo
hazy crescent
not really
gentle pine
Like, tons of damage, but also 50% recoil. Priority kinda murders you a bit at that point.
hazy crescent
gentle pine
I just tend to see recoil moves more-so for mons that are scarfed and whatnot so they can do big damage without needing boosts.
hazy crescent
I found it think I post after testin at some point
hazy crescent
still needs to be tested, going to bed tho
sterile glacier
I like IF Dex a lot more. I think the restricted roster is great for making me consider Pokemon I otherwise wouldn't, and it's a lot more likely to give you cool custom sprites for your team
main rapids
still needs to be tested, going to bed tho
incredible
quiet salmon
still needs to be tested, going to bed tho
why ae you so obsessed with the steel beam recover gimmick
its not making steel beam any better
only viable way to use it is to selfko or with mg
vestal rivet
huge powers banned
vestal rivet
today
void willow
Did anyone come up with some worthwhile fusions with Azu? I feel like Thick Fat and Sap Sipper have some niche use cases but statwise as a Water-type it's just completely outclassed by Suicune
vestal rivet
100/80/80 defenses aren't too terrible tbh. sap sipper is also a lot better than what suicune has for abilities
its also a fairy typing, so you CAN use it as a body for that, but you'd definitely prefer using it as a head
maybe some kind of grass fairy w thick fat could be neat? resists water, electric, grass, fighting, ground, dragon, and dark, and is only weak to poison (4x tho), flying, and steel
and flying is like
kinda a fake weakness in if
honest umbra
yeah but they do sometimes show up in dark/flying
also
is work in the obv usage case?
vestal rivet
yea but the number of pokemon you have to worry about wrt flying moves are like
very obvious
and not plentiful
honest umbra
I really want haxorus to work
sterile glacier
There's always the threat of Snorcor
honest umbra
what flying would it run
vestal rivet
yeah lol
honest umbra
vestal rivet
that thing is a flying type for defensive reasons only
honest umbra
???
sterile glacier
Well, I had someone spamming Aerial Ace at me yesterday with one
Though that's not exactly the most dangerous move around
vestal rivet
most not 4x weaknesses can comfortably unboosted stab aerial ace
if its like
post sd
yeah
thats probably a problem
void willow
when people are so desperate for a physical flying move that they use Aerial Ace lmao
vestal rivet
but you HOPEFULLY wouldnt use a grass fairy to attempt to wall snorcor in the first place
sterile glacier
The Aerodactyl
vestal rivet
cause that already sounds like a pretty dire situation
sterile glacier
RIP Aerodactyl, might as well not be a flying type offensively
main rapids
dee
honest umbra
would anything live this
main rapids
do you ever sleep
void willow
would anything live this
why not give it DDance?
sterile glacier
He wants to be outsped and crushed
honest umbra
sick
honest umbra
I forgor
vestal rivet
because if is very funny
honest umbra
but like literally
does anything survive a hit
crunch is there exclusively for ghosts
sterile glacier
Oh it's a scary fucking sweeper, but I think most tanky 'mons could probably live an unboosted, nonSTAB hit if they had to
main rapids
give it sd
honest umbra
dd
because speed
thinking of making a doubles team with grass/water pledge and just ungodly attackers
sterile glacier
If it's boosted, you hope you brought something with sturdy, the right priority, or a really high speed
honest umbra
real
sterile glacier
Or that you can slap it before it sets up
sterile glacier
Makes it unwallable unless you've got sturdy or a sash, but still a slug
main rapids
it's already outsped by most scarfers if u dd
honest umbra
i see
main rapids
Ur uninvested in speed, the different between 202 and 303 isn't that large
vestal rivet
why would you be playing hax and not dnite
sterile glacier
It's just very frail, and not very fast. The metagame I've seen so far isn't super fast either, but that's still not great.
vestal rivet
with this specific fusion
honest umbra
big number
main rapids
with this specific fusion
TRUE
sterile glacier
And it'll get bodied by any Extreme Killer set you'd care to name
vestal rivet
pretty good reason
sterile glacier
There's a lot of those running around
vestal rivet
jirachi or steelix are better for hax fusions imo
steel/dragon is godlike typing
so you can pretty easily find a time to get a dd or an sd as preferred
honest umbra
that's true
sterile glacier
Or Entei for the insane V-Create
vestal rivet
lol the entei/hax one is so funny
sterile glacier
V-Create + E-Speed + double dance = fun
honest umbra
the dream of every setup mon
honest umbra
bro
main rapids
holy shit how did i not think about this
main rapids
yea
honest umbra
bro
sterile glacier
I've seen a couple Ursaring/Dragonites running around too and honestly I've not been very impressed. Ursaring hits monstrously hard, it's true, but you're actively sabotaging your survivability between the garbage defensive stats and the flame orb.
honest umbra
hax cant have shit
main rapids
I enjoyed the bulk on this one more cps its not a moldbreaker mon
void willow
If you don't need the extra bit of attack and Mold Breaker, then Haxorus really is just outclassed by every Dragon-type Pseudo in this game
honest umbra
I have decided that scyther might be funny
vestal rivet
this is the one ive actually used before
honest umbra
does scyther get eviolite?
vestal rivet
the stats help a lot with finding oppurtunities to dd + avoiding getting revenge killed by ekiller lite
honest umbra
I remember the NFE rule
main rapids
yea
sterile glacier
Mold Breaker does crush certain busted jerkass sets though.
vestal rivet
yes but why would you use eviolite
honest umbra
so im kinda confused
sterile glacier
Scyther does get Eviolite
honest umbra
survival for a setup
honest umbra
the point is to live one singular hit
vestal rivet
https://fxtwitter.com/AsterShock/status/1730721581649846511?t=UIQ9UVyURl4TOI-Tlb...
LOOOOOL
forgetting to rank vulpix will inevitably be the death of me
vestal rivet
the point is to live one singular hit
tbh u can probably do that without eviolite
looking at the bulk on this thing
sterile glacier
I have toyed around with some kind of Kecleon/Dragonite Extreme Killer. I dunno, I just think a set with Protean and literally all of the priority moves would be really funny.
vestal rivet
its like
not good, but not bad enough that you couldnt find an oppurtunity to dd
my main question is
why scyther
sterile glacier
STAB on First Impression?
sterile glacier
There's better bugs that give you First Impression?
vestal rivet
scizor being chief among them, yes
honest umbra
really funny
sterile glacier
hear me out
...Huh.
honest umbra
also technician gear grind is a mother fucker
void willow
I use Tyranitar/Scyther with Eviolite as my special wall; it's bulky enough to only take 60-70% from Modest Omastar/Blastoise Specs-boosted full HP Water Spout in Sandstorm despite being weak to Water
sterile glacier
That doesn't actually look too bad
vestal rivet
yeah that looks pretty playable
honest umbra
idk what to use in my 4th slot
vestal rivet
knock probably
sterile glacier
You could give it roost or some sort of coverage
main rapids
sterile glacier
Knock or roost I suppose
main rapids
hmmm
vestal rivet
wtf LOL
main rapids
the one that flies doesn't get acro
void willow
Scizor confirmed more agile than Scyther despite being slower
honest umbra
that's cringe
vestal rivet
😭
vestal rivet
if is funny
honest umbra
i said scyther
main rapids
there's no bug stab for scizor that feels good
void willow
though it gets walled extremely hard by Water/Steel types (usually Slowking fusions) which are somewhat popular
vestal rivet
if is VERY funny
vestal rivet
there's no bug stab for scizor that feels good
first impression
u-turn
the only bug moves you need
🫡
main rapids
I thought scyther got dual wing beat but apparently that's just gen 9?
vestal rivet
I thought scyther got dual wing beat but apparently that's just gen 9?
dual wing beat is gen 8
honest umbra
fuck
sterile glacier
Huh, Crabhammer actually has decent distribution
vestal rivet
sadly not in gen 7
sterile glacier
That's more than I expected
vestal rivet
Huh, Crabhammer actually has decent distribution
if is funny
sterile glacier
Kabutops especially seems like it would be scary with Crabhammer in the rain
honest umbra
120 bp my beloved
vestal rivet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xCZsPzQN5J642LLXJjt0hlILxZff62fa7aU7m-yWauE/edit#gid=1444795240
this has custom tms and custom tutors
i do not think its updated
but its at least up to date for 5.x
honest umbra
still gear grind is goofy
sterile glacier
But effective
honest umbra
kinda a fake weakness in if
and I also included the flying type because
and it sounded funny
vestal rivet
LOL
honest umbra
also
Klinkther (Klinklang) @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Scyther
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shift Gear
- Aerial Ace
- Gear Grind
- Brick Break
main rapids
the same reason ppl still put technician bulletseed loom on teams
vestal rivet
flash backs to mega heracross...
main rapids
sometimes u have a 75 BP move sometimes it's 200+
vestal rivet
Klinkther (Klinklang) @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Scyther
EVs: ...
im like 99.9% sure you run knock > brick
void willow
Close Combat does more damage than Technician Arm Thrust btw
main rapids
Klinkther (Klinklang) @ Eviolite
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Scyther
EVs: ...
God could not force me to play a set with aerial ace
main rapids
Close Combat does more damage than Technician Arm Thrust btw
wait arm thrust is 15 power per hit lmao
honest umbra
im so lost
why does klingklang/scyther have vice grip
wait does it
im going insane
no it doesnt
tf
gusty burrow
It should, Klink learns it
sterile glacier
I think Espeon is hella slept on
honest umbra
two things:
it's not
people just opt not to use magic bounce
thirdly: psychic isnt that good a STAB
with steel types being common anyways
you can easily just get checked by a steel and get screwed
sterile glacier
It's got great special attack and speed, and one of the best abilities in the game. Alakazam has been banished to Ubers where it belongs, and the lack of coverage can easily be patched up with fusions.
void willow
Espeon is a form of psychological warfare: just having a Magic Bounce mon on the opponent's team makes it just slightly more of a nuisance for you to use status moves for fear of wasting a turn
honest umbra
for fear of playing for you*
espeon is goated
not what I'm saying
it's just psychic is ass
in the metagame
void willow
I agree, in most cases Psychic is just Ghost but far worse
sterile glacier
Yeah, steels are everywhere, and I, the person running a sun team with a magnet pull trapper, think it's hilarious
sterile glacier
People want to run all these bulky steel types with regenerator and no offensive presence worth noting, I'm going to use them as food
sterile glacier
Magnezone/Suicune. It's hysterically funny. You just put a substitute in and start calm minding, and they literally can't do anything because they need toxic or leech seed to break a tank.
honest umbra
actually a lot of eeveelutions get fucked because of typing
like bro
flareon
fucker is forced to run toxic orb or just be worth nothing
sterile glacier
What really fucks over Eeveelutions is that they get no coverage moves at all, only STAB
honest umbra
doesnt matter as much in IF
but by god they get fucked by types
leafeon and sylveon escape
by some miracle
sterile glacier
Glaceon doesn't have it worse than any other slow, bulky ice type (which is all of them except Weavile)
honest umbra
disagree
they're less bulky
they have nothing
look at these stats
what is glaceon meant to do
attack?
too slow
bulk?
ice type
it's just fucked
sterile glacier
Jolteon is nasty thanks to how fast it is, I've made my thoughts on Espeon clear, Umbreon adds a lot of bulk and utility to defensive fusions, Sylveon enables Pixilate Extreme Killer or Boomburst or Explosion shenanigans...
void willow
if only it had Slush Rush and literally any coverage
sterile glacier
Flareon is just sad, and so is Glaceon, but so is every other physical fire type that isn't Arcanine, Entei, or Incineroar exactly, and every other slow, bulky ice type with no coverage, which is most of them
void willow
Jolteon is *nasty* thanks to how fast it is, I've made my thoughts on Espeon cle...
these days I like to use Raikou instead of Jolteon for the extra bulk, but you're right in that Jolteon is fantastic due to its speed tier
honest umbra
yeah
good fusion material
but it often get outclassed by electrode
for that purpose
sterile glacier
My first game ever on IF Showdown I got swept by a Jolteon/PoryZ that just cooked my entire team
sterile glacier
A Raikou fusion couldn't have done that, because I'd have been able to outspeed it with my ground types
honest umbra
it sounds so funny for a set-up mon
void willow
Latios/Jolteon is nice too for 123 in both SpA and Spe, Levitate for Ground immunity, and Draco Meteor + Thunderbolt providing great coverage
sterile glacier
I can see why Disguise got banned, but without it Mimikyu is really just
Not able to do anything
honest umbra
this sucks but i find it funny
why did they give aurorus goated abilities and then like bottom five typing and shit stats
vernal vale
why did they give aurorus goated abilities and then like bottom five typing and ...
For sure
Im with you
vernal vale
this sucks but i find it funny
I've tried this too
But it's just worse
It's unlucky
void willow
this sucks but i find it funny
I don't know if you've ever played Radical Red before but Delibird has 100 Atk, Refrigerate, and Extremespeed in that rom hack and it's horrendously powerful with Choice Band or Nevermeltice (w/ Fake Out), so this is funny to see
vernal vale
I don't know if you've ever played Radical Red before but Delibird has 100 Atk, ...
Yea
I was glad to see it got some love
honest umbra
but IF is hilariously broken power level wise
sterile glacier
Even worse, if you flip the Dragonite/Aurorus, it has a great sprite, better stats by a mile, and doesn't get to have Ice STAB
vernal vale
also am I cooking
A bit yea
void willow
so many of Aurorus' problems can be mitigated if only its typing was flipped in IF
honest umbra
I never see either and my goal is to find weird shit
honest umbra
so many of Aurorus' problems can be mitigated if only its typing was flipped in ...
petition
sterile glacier
There's a lot of Pokemon like that really
sterile glacier
Just look at Weavile. Some of the best body stats and worst head stats in the game, but its body gives you a physical ice type whose best ice move is fukkin ice punch
sterile glacier
If the body provided dark typing, you could instead get the endlessly spammable Knock Off with the good stats
honest umbra
ehh
weavile is forgivable
75 bp isnt awful
however
luxray
is a whole other tragedy
sterile glacier
I'd say it's not like the other physical electric types do better, but IF gives Electivire Plasma Fists
honest umbra
who did wild charge this bad
why
ignoring that electric sucks because ground types are so common
void willow
I agree, Luxray is a tragedy that almost nothing can solve at this point since it's 100% outclassed by Electivire
honest umbra
i mean
guts
but at that point
just
put life orb on electivire
plus motor drive
it's so vile
void willow
I had a lot of fun with Electivire/Weavile before Weavile lost Icicle Crash
void willow
why not run the Lati twins instead for Levitate?
honest umbra
yeah
okay
hear me out
drifblim and flareboost is probably giga slept on
It has goated HP, and decent enough special attack that it can make use of the ability
like come on
gusty burrow
The problem isn't that good, it really requires the other fusion to put in most of the work
void willow
I don't know about you but I've seen my fair share of Drifblims in OU
honest umbra
yeah
gusty burrow
It's usually defensive
gusty burrow
It has massive 4mss
~105 special attack (rough average) isn't enough to break most special walls so it needs a boosting move, strength sap for recovery and both stab moves
gusty burrow
105 fused
honest umbra
do you not know what flare boost does
gusty burrow
I know, special guts
honest umbra
ok
tired comet
But without Facade....
gusty burrow
Walls are insane in IF
honest umbra
it takes a base stat of 155 to match it at max invest on base 86
and it has not shit bulk
gusty burrow
The best way for me to describe Drifblim is that it is just short of everything
tired comet
Not bulky enough, not strong enough....
gusty burrow
Definitely not fast enough
tired comet
It's just good at passing HP and Ghost typing.
honest umbra
Are yall taking about base drifblim
gusty burrow
No, fusions
gusty burrow
It really wants to invest in bulk, speed and power
honest umbra
fuse like electrode or jolteon and it's goated
gusty burrow
I have seen a bunch of Drifblim and they rarely put in much work
void willow
I don't think this is really feasible but this is the best I could come up with (Energy Ball can be swapped for any other move really)
tired comet
fuse like electrode or jolteon and it's goated
Unburden Ghost/Electric is a nice STAB combination, I guess.
tired comet
Flare Boost isn't good enough!
It's just Guts but without Facade to make it explosive.
gusty burrow
Entei is better than Flareon
honest umbra
why tf does scyther get quiver dance
void willow
Aggron is secretly a great dancer and you can't change my mind
tired comet
I've seen a Quiver Dance Latios/Scizor though, it works well.
tired comet
Ursaluna Ursaring/Mamoswine is cool
honest umbra
m
tired comet
void willow
Ursaring/Garchomp for DDance
I used it for a while and it hit incredibly hard with STAB Facade/EQs after a boost
tired comet
It's Snorcor but less stall
honest umbra
neat
I just needed to know if I had to give a fuck about covering for that
anyways
i am convinced this is viable
i hate all of you
tired comet
There's gotta be a better coverage move than Signal Beam.
honest umbra
I just wanted to hurt grass and dark types
but also no
I want fighting/ice
but HP isnt good enough
so im stuck
tired comet
No Ice Beam?
cedar kraken
and no focus miss
honest umbra
that signal beam is for all of 4 type combos
honest umbra
what
tired comet
Use your high speed to hamper physical attackers
gusty burrow
Strength sap is better
cedar kraken
idk, willo doesn't make sense on this set
gusty burrow
You need recovery
honest umbra
true
cedar kraken
if anything maybe strength sap but coverage is iffy as is
honest umbra
fym iffy
other than dragon/normal (poryvern) i see no issue
gusty burrow
90% of pokemon can stay in turn 1 and do 50%
cedar kraken
drifbchad should get Astral Barrage as an expert move 😡
gusty burrow
+1 252 SpA Flare Boost Drifblim Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 300-354 (76.3 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
honest umbra
4mss 😔
honest umbra
+1 252 SpA Flare Boost Drifblim Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 300-...
question
cedar kraken
honestly cm/sap/tbolt/sball might get you somewhere
honest umbra
what is a slowking meant to do
honest umbra
honestly cm/sap/tbolt/sball might get you somewhere
yeah prolly what im gonna use
void willow
what is a slowking meant to do
regenerator
honest umbra
fair
cedar kraken
it's still a bit of a meme but it might just work well enough into the right stuff
honest umbra
im just trying to find weird mons that look slept on
and drifloom fits the bill well enough
honest umbra
I need the attack for it to work
tired comet
86 SpA, you need all the boosts you can get
cedar kraken
maybe electrode isn't the right body then
honest umbra
two things:
cedar kraken
I thought the plan was "funny lategame cleaner"
honest umbra
drifblim desires speed
and ghost electric is a good STAB combo
my other option was jolteon
but timid jolteon is faster by all of 6 points
and had like 20 less special attack
I had considered magnezone, but I'd like to limit myself on the steel type spam
there was also celebi but 5 weaknesses on a mon who wants to live is not gonna do it
honest umbra
also no speed boosting
so it'd be a shitty wall breaker
so i opted not for mid
I also considered chandelure for hitting hard but I came to a similar conclusion
cedar kraken
I still think 126 speed is a bit too good to jepardise with a neutral nature but I see your reasoning
void willow
Drifblim/Scizor for Ghost/Steel and Quiver Dance maybe? It's actually quite physically bulky too
you might have to set up a few times to actually be able to dish out good damage though
cedar kraken
that needs a lot of boosts tho
I used to run blim + registeel
cm/sball/toxic/sap
honestly blim+electrode looks viable-ish
force something out, get a cm boost and flame orb proc, and you're cooking; immunity to espeed also helps it
~~still, if you want to break drifblim you should probably be playing PMD 😆 ~~
if you want to playtest it I'm down
hazy crescent
any one got a old zapmolcuno sets / teams
also did electrode get shadownerfed ????, 401 vs 407 from yesterday with jirachi
we really need patchnotes , Im probally just mentall unstable
"zapmolcuno" or "wellness check" for the nickname
togekiss/electrode would be sick but has not enough speed, we can't have the real thing
the authentic airslash, discharge serene grace stab, it could have been damm classic
quiet salmon
why do these have mind blown
hazy crescent
why not
simple summit
You would rather have flamethrower anyways with Serene Grace I think
Sometimes you just fish for that burn
tired comet
Now I'm imagining Serene Grace Scald sets
Serene Grace is such a fun ability, I love my 60% burns and paras
severe dagger
Magnezone/Suicune. It's hysterically funny. You just put a substitute in and s...
Magnezone as head?
severe dagger
Now I'm imagining Serene Grace Scald sets
Jirachi/Entei with sacred fire got 100% burn
pine jacinth
ive been climbing ladder and ive noticed alot of people using yanmega/hydreigon
Is that the meta in IF Dex OU?
vestal rivet
its pretty good yup
dark/flying gives you oblivion wing and yanmega gives you quiver dance
pine jacinth
why wouldnt you use venomoth for sleep powder?
vestal rivet
because venomoth is a bug/poison type
sleep powder is also just like
not super trustworthy as a move lol
fallow osprey
the powders and stuff are really unreliable
vestal rivet
i mean, compare
sub oblivion wing is very strong by itself, let along with quiver dances
i also definitely forgot to change the ability on the second one to tinted lens
so just imagine tinted lens is there instead hahahahahaha
pine jacinth
oh damn thats a big difference
vestal rivet
good flying type stabs are also extremely rare in ifdex
so getting oblivion wing onto your fusion is like
huge
its one of three good flying stabs (not including technician / serene grace stuff) in the metagame
and all three are not very like
accessible
brave bird and hurricane have very limited learnpools, oblivion wing is limited to dark/flying
nice to have flying type stabs on your team when you can get em
oh i forgot acro
but acro is also limited by item so
pine jacinth
okay thanks
sterile glacier
Magnezone as head?
It’s not optimal gameplay but it does have a really cool custom sprite
And it’s not like the steels I’m trapping can kill it either way
Electric/water is good defensive typing anyway
severe dagger
Used for some time and it was quite decent in 1 of my 2 teams now
fallow osprey
any advice to clean this up a bit?
teal obsidian
any advice to clean this up a bit?
maybe 0 speed evs in case of trick room?
and Id assume ancient power wont do a whole lot since even super effective its just base 120 which is equal to shadow ball
fallow osprey
True, i put it there to maybe work as some kind of stat boost
But any time I'd use it I just use freeze-dry
neat sigil
can someone help me make a bastiodon and aggron fusion
the defences are good
is this good?
im not good at pokemon battles
honest umbra
one singular special attacker:
one singular fighting type:
why are you invested into speed
it's base 43
and you have base 176 defense you dont need more
you're better off maxing special defense and HP and putting your lost EV into attack
even then
your typing is mid as hell
2 4x weaknesses and a water weakness
if there's a ground or fighting you're dead on impact
and you're begging for a scald
also why are you running two rock moves
List of things to fix:
Swap stone edge and Heavy slam off, you just outright dont need them, they add nothing to its offenses
Fix your EV spread you have plenty of defense, your speed is abysmal so dont bother with that, go 252 att 252 SpD and like 4 hp or 252 hp 252 spd and 4 att
Also what does iron defense do
I understand wanting to use both STABs, but steel isnt really an offensive presense and it's better in this case to run coverage, the only typing that steel adds offensively is fairy, which, while important, it's less important than just not being able to hit steel whatsoever
it'd be better to run something like fire-punch or super power for steel type coverage
I would say exclusively super power but the debuff is worth considering agaisnt
also your attack is bad enough so fire punch ig
or earthquake
do earthquake actually
you have a rock move so flying is a non-issue
levitate is bad though
neat sigil
why are you invested into speed
idk i have zero knowledge on smogon
or whatever its called
honest umbra
typically you want to boost your good stats
or make up for a deficit
but the deficit in speed is just not worth bothering with because you wont be outspeeding anyways
also swap iron defense with curse so you can actually hit stuff for damage
I think this sucks still but it can actually hit so mons wont just setup in front of it
honest umbra
yes im aware
the stats suck
it's just that if you dont invest you're setup fodder
quiet salmon
ur setup fodder either way
honest umbra
no shit
quiet salmon
plus rock steel no recovery is abysmal
quiet salmon
so why bother trying this mon
neat sigil
so why bother trying this mon
i picked the mon cause i made the fusion
its one of my favorites
honest umbra
vibe
neat sigil
neat sigil
i should just use him and win
honest umbra
lmao
honest umbra
maybe?
it means you dont get fucked by ground initially
but like
it's not like it can do anything after that
it just kinda dies maybe a turn later than normal
sterile glacier
You could probably do something hysterical to unsuspecting sweepers by combining sturdy with Metal Burst
And run a Custap Berry to make sure you get a second move off if they don't then switch in something with E-Speed
neat sigil
what does metal burst do
sterile glacier
It's like Counter/Mirror Coat except it doesn't automatically make you slower, and it doesn't care whether the incoming hit is physical or special
But since you're already slow, you'll usually move second
Thus letting you dumpster someone who knocks you down to your sturdy by exploiting your highly exploitable weaknesses
Being knocked down to sturdy lets you eat your Custap Berry, which gives your move next turn priority
peak citrus
just started messing around with this a few hours ago and was wonder about this natdex AG team so far
going to mess gen7 OU later but I wanted to get the goofy op stuff out of my system first
peak citrus
i should just use him and win
dawg what is that 😭
neat sigil
dawg what is that 😭
sterile glacier
It's kind of gimmicky, but metal burst/sturdy/custap is probably the only way you're going to get real value out of a Bastiodon/Aggron. You can dumpster an unsuspecting sweeper with the burst, reliably set up stealth rocks, and maybe do some useful damage with your rock STAB