showdown-general

[astral yoke]

^

[noble helm]

Well

[wispy ember]

I am shit at it

[young saffron]

ou clears

[wispy ember]

but I enjoy it nonetheless

[karmic vale]

It's gonna take a while for a meta to form

[astral yoke]

i just dislike legendaries and shedinja cheeses etc

[noble helm]

Togekiss/Ampharos. Is that good with serene grace

[wispy ember]

shedinja is easy to beat

[karmic vale]

Gosh dangit Roserade bodies, why must your stats be worse than the heads???

[astral yoke]

Why Ampharos?

[noble helm]

Just use birn etc.

[wispy ember]

easier

[noble helm]

Electric moves

[astral yoke]

The whole point is using it as a pivot

[young saffron]

although i didnt run into a single spinner in ag so not particularly stressed abt shed

[noble helm]

and paralyze

and ampharos got goated sp. attk

[young saffron]

whats shedinja gonna do against stealth rock huh??

boots?? i doubt it!

[wispy ember]

I am getting smacked by mold breaker klinklang/haxorus with Mold Breaker

can't unaware that

[astral yoke]

Yeah, i saw, added something like that to the team too

[wispy ember]

insane

[solemn dove]

Woah looks awesome! Feel free to request something from me in https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/703412470038921216

[astral yoke]

Personally i still left Klinklang with my Marowak

[wispy ember]

but it does showcase my inability to form a proper team

[young saffron]

ok!

[wispy ember]

but as everything, stuff comes with time

[astral yoke]

Same, currently on v4, and i still run into tons of issues

[noble helm]

No guard is goated if you can find a good fusion

[wispy ember]

am on v5

if not v6

[astral yoke]

i lost to Mystora becuz my entire team couldn't deal with Dark types... wtf

[wispy ember]

I saw part of that

but I got into a match

so couldn't spectate

[little pollen]

That sounds like a good reason to make a new team, or retool yours

[noble helm]

I cover dark types on my team, (oh wait im AG)

[astral yoke]

Just know that if he didn't have that damned dark type, i would've won

[wispy ember]

Can you imagine what it was, waiting for 2 weeks for this to be public?

and I couldn't say a thing

[astral yoke]

You're not paid to spoil stuff bruh

[wispy ember]

but that ruins the fun

[noble helm]

Did you not have a fighting/bug/fairy move

[wispy ember]

of it coming out of nowhere

[astral yoke]

It was part Poison, so it was resisting all of them

Also, it had sticky web out

[noble helm]

what does sticky web do

[noble helm]

that's only weak to ground dam thats dangerous

[astral yoke]

All switched in mons not flying/levitating/heavy duty boots get -1 speed

[astral yoke]

levitate

[wispy ember]

sticky webs ruin a ton of setups

[noble helm]

This guy spammed a Dark/Poison Pokemon with levitate?

[astral yoke]

i had a defogger, but it had prankster, and it doesn't work on dark types, so i couldn't remove it

[astral yoke]

Just that one dark/poison type is enough to ruin my team

[wispy ember]

Having at least 1 dark type is a must in OU

[astral yoke]

i had a counter, it's dead

[wispy ember]

against them cheeky spore pranksters

[noble helm]

Use Gastro acid or work a way around it next time

[astral yoke]

Gastro acid and then what? He'll just switch

[wispy ember]

steel types are plenty

[noble helm]

Then you strike him

[wispy ember]

and so are ghost types

play a bit of OU

and then share your opinion

it will change drastically

[astral yoke]

my team can't strike it hard enough at the time, my team has since adjusted, and needs to be tested

[noble helm]

None of my pokemon are OU eligible

[astral yoke]

so far, the main stays on my party have been the notorious Noivern/Sylveon, Marowak/Klinklang, and Clefable/Bastiodon
I've been switching the other 3 here and there to adjust

[noble helm]

RIght here

[wispy ember]

exactly

AG is a mess

[noble helm]

The only one i can think of is Togekiss/Ampharos

If i handed this over to a friend, he'd basically sweep everyone (he is a big nerd at pokemon)

[astral yoke]

Bruh, why dafuk is Light Ball banned but Thick Club allowed?

[little pollen]

If someone makes a moveset for her they can request either a cat alt (a cat pokemon not in game, preferably gen 3-5 for sprite reasons) fusion or an evo of one of my other fusions (that doesn’t already have one that fits well)

[noble helm]

Like always..

||Bad game design ||

[noble helm]

Normal is goated, just gotta work around ghosts (just bite them or something)

[astral yoke]

@mighty knot explain

[fast blade]

That's what I was saying last night lol. It's crazy

[wispy ember]

why you pinging term

[mighty knot]

?

[fast blade]

But yeah pikadactyl is absolutely nuts

Brock uses it in the Endgame challenge mode

[mighty knot]

I'm chilling at work, what's going on ?

[wispy ember]

if you want to throw some salt at the balancing, ping @pure breach or @fast elm

[mighty knot]

(and why pinging me ?)

[astral yoke]

Ahhh

[wispy ember]

but all will come in time

[astral yoke]

i thought Term was one of the balancers

[wispy ember]

not even 24h have passed

[mighty knot]

[wispy ember]

since it was released to the public

give it time

[astral yoke]

NO

GIB ME NAO

[noble helm]

[timid lichen]

For me:
1: Light ball is much much powerfull than thick club
2: Pikachu has a big movepool
3: Marowak seems to know only ground move

[noble helm]

Just use a better pokemon

[wispy ember]

light ball was found coz I used my own Latias/Pikachu

300+ speed

600

base Sp.A

[noble helm]

Pikachu learning surf (i;m probs wrong)

[wispy ember]

Levitate

[timid lichen]

4: You cannot know if the pokemon is special or physical because of the light ball, while marowak is forced to be physical

[young saffron]

https://pokepast.es/deabc879751638b6

[timid lichen]

So yeah, light ball ban is logical, thick club is "bad"

[young saffron]

blissey is uber so u have to use it in ag

[timid lichen]

Because thick club force you to have marowak body

[young saffron]

also the sprite isnt on the site yet :[

[noble helm]

Aight

[little pollen]

Thats weird because i made her before little cup

[noble helm]

im gonna get myself some sleep

goodnight

[young saffron]

theres no option to switch sprite :[

[astral yoke]

I think i found my new screener, gonna test it

[little pollen]

Super weird because theres a non alt of the fusion too

https://if.daena.me/artists/sitten1115/

Anyway here, feel free to request something that fit what i said.

In dms, so it doesn’t count as your one request at a time

[fast blade]

He's asking why light ball is banned but thick club isn't

[mighty knot]

idk

[wispy ember]

already told you

give it time

I discovered light ball, hence the ban

same will go for other stuff, it hasn't even been 24h

[little pollen]

Tbh i think its odd that blissey as a whole is banned from ou. But whatever

[wary flame]

blissy with resists sounds like hell

[little pollen]

I just wanted a pure normal fusion lol

[pure breach]

Milian I am so sorry to say that no you didn't lol

Light Ball had been on the list for a while

[wary flame]

even still blissy (or chansy ) with def stat over 10 sounds rellay not fun

[wispy ember]

why you gotta ruin me like that

[pure breach]

it was already banned in the gen 9 format, and was supposed to be banned in the IF Dex one, just hadn't been due to a miscommunication

you said it once too many times I'm sorry

[wispy ember]

it's fine lmao

it was fun while it lasted

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-star-wars-dont-get-cocky-great-kid-gif-17286965

[wispy ember]

Having vin get pissed at that pikachu of mine

cool stuff

but yeah, same should go for thick club

[little pollen]

I have no clue what blissians defense is

[wispy ember]

ass

[young saffron]

wait why is its def so ass

[wispy ember]

because blisseys def is ass

blissey has 10 def

[young saffron]

yea ik

im just like

[little pollen]

If persian isnt great at defense, blissey drags it down a ton

[pure breach]

Bluckle is where it's at

[young saffron]

i do not play any tiers in any gen where blissey is legal lol

[wispy ember]

dies to a decent phys sweeper

that damned x4 to fighting

[little pollen]

Yeah, with fusions blissey can be good or bad. Not all fusions are actually good

[astral yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/james-roday-shawn-spencer-it-was-you-so-it-was-you-psych-gif-10443168

[wispy ember]

it wasnt

but I had the chance to use it

whilst it was still in OU

[young saffron]

i think i need 2 drop draco meteor

[wispy ember]

it's a shame that we only have 1 contrary mon

and it's shuckle in IF dex

[young saffron]

if only some people gave a certain mon a 3

[astral yoke]

i wonder how viable are the 100% crit Draco Meteor/Fleur Cannon/Overheat/Leaf Storm builds?

[young saffron]

that was cute and cool and had a neat ability and a fun design and also a good moveset and ok stats :]]]]

i pray to my lurantis shrine every night that the last pick will be lurantis

[tiny wadi]

I gave Lurantis and Malamar 3s just like Gourgeist, because Gourgeist brought new Ideas to the Table, while Lurantis and Malamar brought Contrary to the Table

[unborn pine]

showdown thing really cool

[young saffron]

gourgeist was the opponent of my favorite pokemon ever so i gave it a 0

[tiny wadi]

Was your Favorite Trevenant, or which one?

[young saffron]

and in the end i got phantump so i dont feel bad abt it

[unborn pine]

i just afraid people are gonna be even more ''win with your favourites'' here becasue you know,
cool sprites

[astral yoke]

Nah, fun? My fun is making sure u don't have fun

[young saffron]

see the thing is you can win with ur favorites

if already buffs most bad mons

[tiny wadi]

Trevenant and Gourgeist can co-exist. They bring Parallels. And I was advocating for ALL Grass and Ghost Dual Types to get in

[whole karma]

Malamar right?

[unborn pine]

i saw

[little pollen]

Unless your favorites dont work well together

[young saffron]

electivire gets the one thing it needed (a good attack) so its actually kinda good

[astral yoke]

Clefable/Bastiodon is such a menace... just gotta figure out how to deal with Dark types

[unborn pine]

I mean my favourite is flareon
and if im using a guts mon its not gonna be one that cant be burned

[little pollen]

If they leave a major gap in coverage they will not do great

[tender meadow]

kills someone with rats birthday party even though it's got a bunch of yellow stats

[tiny wadi]

I don't understand why Gourgeist and Trevenant can't co-exist for you Sadie

[astral yoke]

Maybe don't use softboiled... maybe Draining Kiss? But the recovery might be too little...

[young saffron]

oh they can

[unborn pine]

either way, toxapex is in my top 20 so (i havent actually used toxapex that much)

[tiny wadi]

Then why 0?

[young saffron]

if i had the choice to change my vote i wouldve given gourgeist a 3 when phantump got in

[astral yoke]

i can't figure out how to add Toxapex to my team yet, so for now it's out

[young saffron]

my #1 and #2 were both grass/ghost so i really doubted all 3 would get in

[unborn pine]

toxapex+stunfisk unironically (if you need twave)

[young saffron]

tox/thorn is insane so far

[astral yoke]

i've seen them, but they're just a wall that isn't very threatening tbh

[young saffron]

thats because i havent found the right set

[tiny wadi]

I thought that Dhelmthorn was better than Toxthorn

[astral yoke]

Dhelmthorn might be a bigger threat

[young saffron]

i have dhelm/golurk

[astral yoke]

Steelworker + STAB + Gyro ball sounds crazy scary

[unborn pine]

curse ferrothorn toxapex myabe

[tiny wadi]

Isn't that Forretress, and not Ferrothorn?

[astral yoke]

Was it? i don't remember

[tiny wadi]

But yeah, Dhelmthorn is better than Toxthorn

[astral yoke]

Hmm? Pretty sure it's correct

i mean... they both work

[young saffron]

im sure it is but dhelmlurk my sweet child im not dropping it

[tiny wadi]

I meant because you also said Steamroller, which is a Bug-Type move

[astral yoke]

Sorry, got it confused with Steelworker

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-exactly-the-same-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-they-are-very-similar-they-are-alike-gif-21987439

[tiny wadi]

Ah, gotcha

But yeah, Dhelmthorn is a POWERFUL Hazard Setter with Spikes and Stealth Rock, while also being able to get large damage off using Steelworker + Gyro Ball

[young saffron]

i think i got my set for toxthorn now

[fast blade]

No it doesn't. It works regardless of whether marowak is the body or not. I tested it in game and it works like that

[timid lichen]

In game, in 5.3.1 at least, marowak needed to be the body for thick club to work

Weird than they removed that

[fast blade]

Marowak has 80 attk instead of 50, you can fuse marowak with something that knows earthquake which is basically anything physical, and idk what you mean that light ball is more powerful

[timid lichen]

light ball is atk and spk atk

[fast blade]

That's not true

[fast blade]

Yeah that's true

[timid lichen]

So more powerfull because against a pokemon, you do not know if the pokemon is atk or spk atk

[young saffron]

see the real problem here is soul dew (no its not)

[fast blade]

So then #1 and #4 you made are the same

[timid lichen]

Look how Iron Valiant is strong

This is because it can run full atk, or full sp atk

[timid lichen]

Not really the same

1: ligh ball stronger than thick ball

4: Ligh ball is not predictable

Like of how azumarill and iron valiant are strong

[fast blade]

Yeah, unaware gets dunked on by thick club users

[timid lichen]

Azumarill can be support, sweep, or others stuffs

[tiny wadi]

If it's a Pikachu Fusion over a Raichu Fusion? No, they'd probably expect the Light Ball

[fast blade]

That set is comically broken.

PorygonZ/Noivern hits even harder and has access to nasty plot tho

[young saffron]

i think they should bring back berserk gene for if

[timid lichen]

Yes, but with the ligh ball, you take a pokemon which do not have a focus on atk/spk atk, then you take them per surprise

[tiny wadi]

You mean like Shuckle?

[timid lichen]

[censored ] word

x)

Yeah, like shuckle

[prime garnet]

Spends 3 hours building a team, team blows

[astral yoke]

Yeah, but Boomburst is easily nullified by ghost types, so it's used less

Also i like Calm Mind better than Nasty Plot personally

[tiny wadi]

You guys don't understand what true pain could happen if Hail is set up: Porygon-Z/Froslass

[young saffron]

sylvern pixilate makes me so sad

[fast blade]

That's true

[fast blade]

But your whole point is that it's stronger because it's less predictable, that it is attack on both sides

Thick Club should absolutely be banned when light club is banned, the firepower you have is just absurd

The attack is being doubled, but the base attack is THIRTY points higher than it is for Pikachu or Azumarill

[timid lichen]

Easy to beat it, just run water monotype è_è

Otherwise, yeah, true than can be a problem

earthquake is strong, thick club is strong

And marowak is a bit "tanky" too

Otherwise, full knock off team è_è

[tiny wadi]

Pikachu has Base 120 Speed with only 1 Weakness of Ground, and decent Stats all around. Meanwhile, Marowak is Slower, it is barely stronger than Pikachu, and it has More Weaknesses

[timid lichen]

90 base speed

no ?

[tiny wadi]

Actually no, Bulbapedia and Serebii said Base 120...

[timid lichen]

smogon say 90

[tiny wadi]

Or am I thinking of the Let's Go Partner Pikachu's Speed?

[timid lichen]

you are on the wrong pikachu, yeah

partner pikachu

[astral yoke]

... Pokemon yellow Pikachu?

[timid lichen]

pikachu-starter, stupidly strong with 120 speed, ah ah

[tiny wadi]

No, Let's Go Pikachu's Pikachu

[astral yoke]

So... it's not 120 then

[tiny wadi]

But regardless, I'm pretty sure that Pikachu is still Faster than Marowak

[timid lichen]

I found that funny, than pikachu is SO much powerfull than the eeve from let's go eeve

[astral yoke]

90 speed is pitance in IF's meta lol

[timid lichen]

45 against 90, yeah, pikachu is much much stronger with this speed

But anyways, thick club + marowak + a tanky pokemon, if you cannot one shot the pokemon, it will sweep your team with some priority move and after some dragon dance or sword dance

[tiny wadi]

But yeah, the fact that you have a Pokemon with that much of a Strength Boost, Twice as much Speed, and Less Weaknesses overall, makes Light Ball for Pikachu more reasonable to Ban than Thick Club for Marowak

[timid lichen]

Just run more knock off anyways è_è

[hazy rampart]

aight y’all dumb question real quick what would the generally accepted abbreviation for this thing be? like would it be IFPS (infinite fusions Pokémon showdown) or like IFPA (infinite fusions pokeathlon) or what lol

just wondering :P

[young saffron]

inf showdown

[hazy rampart]

or PIFS?

[pure breach]

Where we come from, we use PoA

just as an abbreviation for pokeathlon

y'all are free to call it whatever tho

[hazy rampart]

oh is pokeathlon exclusively a thing for infinite fusion? i kinda thought it was part of other things too

[pure breach]

right now it's exclusively IF

will be for quite some time

but the showdown will just be the pokeathlon one

but again, y'all are free to call it whatever

IFPS would be right too <3

[fast blade]

I have no idea why you're saying 120 speed. It's 90 speed. Always has been. And 90 speed is very mediocre.

And while Pikachu is faster, it's incredibly frail so it almost never works as a setup sweeper, Marowak is drastically bulkier, and carries an immunity for easy switch ins.

And Marowak hits wayyyy harder on the physical side with 30 extra points in attack.

Ground is a much better attacking type. The STAB you usually get is earthquake which is perfect accuracy and 100 BP. Meanwhile electric has Thunder Punch which is 75 BP unless you want to deal with the recoil from volt tackle. Ground hits 3 types super effectively, where as electric only has two.

[tiny wadi]

We already talked about that. Ahem

[young saffron]

marowak's speed doesnt matter when its on a salamence with dance

[tiny wadi]

Okay, but you'd be 4x Weak to Ice. If you spent a Turn to use Dance, you'd most likely be KO'd already

[hazy rampart]

ah alright cool then

[fast blade]

Exactly lol

Or shift gear

[opaque solar]

Priority as well

[fast blade]

Shift gear/DD invalidates the low speed

Priority

[hazy rampart]

aight ty lol

[young saffron]

i fought one earlier and this is maromence after 2 dances with club

[tiny wadi]

If you spent the Turn to Set Up when they attacked you, then how much would an Ice Shard or an Icicle Crash from a Choice Banded Empovile do?

[fast blade]

It's absolutely nuts, and you can use intimidate to make the setups even easier, or Moxie to snowball

Pikachu fusions can't really make use of Intimidate, too frail even with it

[tiny wadi]

It's 4x Super Effective, and it's on a Choice Banded Pokemon. Not to mention that if they are sent out both at once to meet on Turn 0, you'd give Empovile n Attack Buff from Defiant

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure that Pikachu wouldn't give that Harsh of a Drawback

[pure breach]

Pikachu is great for immediate offense, whilst Marowak fusions typically require set up, but are more dangerous with it I find

they play different

mons like Zam with Pikachu were p good

and chloro and swift swim with either one of them too

[opaque solar]

That's a super specific counter to it, yeah. Any build has its counters. I think the point here is that bone club is just as effective as light ball, and if one is banned then they should both be.

[fast blade]

I mean yes it has a 4x weakness, but how much has that held back Landorus? Ground/Flying is one of the best typings in the game despite that. 2 immunities and 2 weaknesses is amazing.

[fast blade]

Marowak fusions are better at setting up, but they don't NEED to setup, you can get 700+ unboosted attack with Marowak fusions.

[tiny wadi]

Okay but which Fusion has the Better BST: Ground/Flying, or Dragon/Ground?

[fast blade]

It's like saying mega Mawile needs to setup, except Marowak fusions hit even harder than that which is insane

[fast blade]

Ground/Flying and it's not close

[pastel sun]

how do you guys feel about GET YOU

the agility is probably unnecessary but

its funny

[fast blade]

It has 18 points higher in speed and attack

But worse bulk by a bit

[tiny wadi]

Then if that's the Case, you just need an Ice Move from a Powerful Physical or Special Attacker, and that thing is almost guaranteed Gone if it doesn't run Yache

[fast blade]

Yeah 100%

[tiny wadi]

Bone Club is for Attack, Light Ball is for BOTH Offensive Stats

[fast blade]

Yeah but Thick Club Marowak has tons of advantages over it too

[tiny wadi]

So it's going to be a Glass Cannon nonetheless. Landorus Therian at least has Stats to back it up, but Marowak/Salamence is Frailer and Slower

[fast blade]

Iandorus and MaroMence have the same defense. It's only marginally frailer than landorus

It's not a glass cannon with 90 defense and intimidate

[astral yoke]

Yay, top 10, time to quit kek

[tiny wadi]

Defenses don't matter if you know about Pokemon like Shuckle or Avalugg; Bulk can also include HP, which Lando-T has Base 89 HP, so it's still overall Bulkier.

[astral yoke]

if i win 1 more i'll get to 6th... but if i lose... no more top 10 😦

[sour sonnet]

Marowak is my favorite Pokémon so I'm biased. I wanna keep Thick Club cuz it's iconic and makes my skully best boi viable

[tiny wadi]

Lando-T has better Stats In-General; and if that can be almost One-Shot by Ice Moves, then Marowak/Salamence definitely can be One-Shot by them

[sour sonnet]

And with the right typing/ability/item/moveset combos, IF Ice types have the opportunity to be much less fragile than base game... therefore Ice STAB becomes a thing

[tiny wadi]

Which overall means that Marowak/Salamence is only a Threat if you let it become one

Otherwise, it's just a Quick KO

[sour sonnet]

Like a Choice Band can boost an even more powerful fusion to the point of surpassing a Thick Club Marowak fusion and it can have an even better typing/ability/moveset pool to reach from.

Thick Club doesn't make Marowak fusions broken, it puts them on an even playing field with the existing powerhouses

[fast blade]

Bro Salamence has over 700 unboosted attack and outspeeds everything at +1

[fast blade]

That's why I said it is a little bit bulkier due to the HP

But it's not a big margin

[fast blade]

That's also true of Lando so it doesn't matter

[sour sonnet]

I mean. Personally I would think it's not surprising that IF OU has a wider swing than base game lol

[zealous falcon]

Ok, unless there are some serious re-works, i cannot and will not play this uber tryhard trash. I hoped for a casual fun where focus was more on team building and the sprites and not on the most meta op team you can build

[tiny wadi]

Okay, and? It can't Outspeed Everything

For an example: Speed Boost on a Powerful and Fast Ice Type Fusion, you just use Protect against it to survive. Or if it's a Bulky Enough Pokemon it can just use Knock Off

[ember nova]

Woo I'm in 20th place on the ladder!

[sour sonnet]

What do you mean by 'serious reworks?' The top tiers of any online game are gonna be populated by folks concerned with the meta and being OP, that's the nature of the beast.

[zealous falcon]

it was my mistake, i assumed the focus of the online battling would be fun and not optimization, i learned my mistake

constant spamming of stun/poision/op fusion typings and abilities really turned me off as a casual pokemon enjoyer

[timid lichen]

If your elo is low enought, you will not be against try hard :p

[zealous falcon]

thats what i thought

[sour sonnet]

Yeah, right now it's still settling into tiers

[timid lichen]

Or yeah, true than low elo, people will just go with stupid ability, fusing

[tiny wadi]

People could just run Knock Off with a Bulky Pokemon, or Protect on an Ice Type Fusion with Speed Boost

[sour sonnet]

You'll battle more folks who aren't gunning for the top as time goes on if that's what you're going for

[pure breach]

I also feel like ladder play is more competitively focused than challenging friends, for example

[zealous falcon]

cool sprite and interesting team combination? NOO, must use spritless fusion with steel/flying, or dragon/fairy etc

[tiny wadi]

Ah- hey Duncsy! Would you like to help us settle a Debate?

[pure breach]

sure?

[prime garnet]

Pokemon Showdown is inherently competitive
Could form a small group for more casual, or wait for the ladder to even out so you're not against higher ups

[zealous falcon]

ya, like i said, i thought people would take it less serious since its fusions and not base game mons

[prime garnet]

I'm also just using my favourite mons/themes and not caring about the meta lol
Eh, it's Pokemon battling, some people wanna be more casual, others more serious

I like a mix

[midnight summit]

An unrated format could be cool

though I'm not sure if that's available for non-randbats

[tiny wadi]

Nedsdag believes that Thick Club should be Banned with Light Ball. But I say that Pikachu with Light Ball is fully better than it, and that any Marowak Fusion with Thick Club could just be One-Shot or dealt with very easily. Who do you agree with?

[prime garnet]

Hmmm mayhaps

Actually yeah, no ladder/unrated would work

[zealous falcon]

the only fun moments ive had so far were the few times i sent out my moltress/wuagsire with water absorb, '

would a battle factory style work? like you were given 6 random fusions and battled. Like no team building?

[prime garnet]

They're working on random battles actually, can read it in #showdown-announcements

[zealous falcon]

ok, if that launches well, i will return, but as it stands imma steer clear of this for now

[pure breach]

I personally would like to see Thick Club banned. But, it was obvious to both Yoshi and I that Light Ball is much better and would be much more oppressive (and it was!). Also looking at usage over the first 24 hours, Marowak is seeing usage, but not a troubling amount.

This is from a more formal standpoint. On a personal level I also believe Light Ball is just better, it provides strong hyperoffensive presence, puts a lot of pressure for the opp to make the right call, whilst Marowak fusions almost always rely on set up, and still tank your speed (hence the reliance on set up). Any Unaware mon (Pyuk) that can take the base Thick Cub boosted attack can wall them. Also most Marowaks are being fused with stuff like Mence which has no good Flying STAB, so you'll always be hitting EQ / Bonemerang or non-STAB option (off p good attack, sure) which is much easier to wall

[wispy ember]

My Unaware Quagsire/donphan, hp def 252 could withstand at most, 2 shots from klinklang/marowak

[pure breach]

pfff

[wispy ember]

if I recall correctly from my matches with Caffeine

[pure breach]

I've had mons completely wall Marowak fusions

and had Maro fusions get absolutely walled

[zealous falcon]

Is there an option for battling with a friend? Id like to not do random battles

[pure breach]

Obviously it's a really good fusion, there'll always be fusions that are just good, but I agree with Yoshi that it doesn't seem to be really oppressive at the minute, or at least it's not seeing as high usage as we'd expect

[wispy ember]

yes

[pure breach]

you can challenge people directly

[wispy ember]

^

[prime garnet]

Search their username and challenge

[obtuse fjord]

hey

[zealous falcon]

Can we have a discord cannel here for people to find a talk about it? Id like to battle against other ppl not interested in op meta builds

[pure breach]

you can also click on their name if you see them in lobby

[fast elm]

you can always ask in showdown lobby

[wispy ember]

^

[zealous falcon]

i need to wait a week and have a win to talk,

[wispy ember]

then you can just ask here

[zealous falcon]

ok true

[onyx salmon]

Something I really like about this so far is that it shows just how many cool combinations competitively don't have sprites yet, so spriters like myself can get some fun ideas
For example, my humble Latios/Jolteon fusion ive had fun using doesn't have a single thing and now I wanna fix that

[wispy ember]

Latios and Latias are undersprited a lot

[prime garnet]

I found 2 I wanna sprite yeah!

[pure breach]

yeah! I was really hoping people would catch on to this and we'd be getting more popular mons getting sprites

[unborn pine]

Megaligasion is so fun to use

[prime garnet]

I have not used a triple fusion yet, any sorta site I can use to see their weaknesses I'm lazy

[wispy ember]

you can type in /weakness fire/grass/water

it will show

[unborn pine]

gaming!!!

[prime garnet]

Omg lol

[prime garnet]

Oh ty!

[astral yoke]

that's it... putting draining kiss on my Clefable/Bastiodon... too many times it gets blocked by dark types...

[wispy ember]

[unborn pine]

@astral yoke have you tried cosmic power

[wispy ember]

isn't that exactly what caffeine is running?

unless you're still using calm mind iron def

[astral yoke]

Iron Defence + Calm Mind + Stored Power + Soft Boiled

Oh god dammit... it can't learn Draining Kiss

useless fairy...

Maybe i should replace Stored Power with Moon Blast

+6 Sp.Atk is pretty lethal, and ppl won't see it coming thinking it's stored power

[zealous falcon]

dear god, Sylveon and Noivern with boomburst is 140 plus stab plus pixilate (x1.2) ... need more balancing

[feral anchor]

Soundproof:

[wispy ember]

Poison/Steel:

[prime garnet]

Bastiodon fusion:

[astral yoke]

Alot of ppl elect to use an electrode fusion for the sake of countering Noivern/Sylveon

[prime garnet]

Probably a good move tbh

[wary flame]

fire moves:

[astral yoke]

i have a different problem myself... Marowak/Scizors

[wispy ember]

:

[astral yoke]

i learnt the hard way (2 losses in a row) that my team literally can't beat it.
Will need to prepare a hard counter

[wary flame]

what the type on it

[wispy ember]

poison/steel

[wary flame]

and it hp stat

[wispy ember]

75 base

not the greatest tbh

but walls fairy types

which, there are a lot of

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bastiodon: 116-138 (32.7 - 38.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

[prime garnet]

Assault Vest Bastiodon?

[wispy ember]

no

[prime garnet]

Ah

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bastiodon: 116-138 (32.7 - 38.9%) -- 67.4% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

[wary flame]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Noivern Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bastiodon: 174-206 (49.1 - 58.1%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

[wispy ember]

Specs noivern gets outsped

[low merlin]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=2forttroll-itsemily-1700241827748 feels good winning with a set of sprites made by myself

[wispy ember]

by IF's speed creep

[low merlin]

||zacian/dracovish tho 💀 ||

[midnight summit]

Trick room has been really fun so far

[wary flame]

by what cuase it has the higher then 100 speed

[midnight summit]

since everyones trying to make the fastest fusions

[prime garnet]

That is a great counter XD

[wispy ember]

Electrode:

Jolteon:

[true fiber]

For the unlimited one, it seems pretty obvious to fuse Zacian with Zamazenta.

[low merlin]

is electrode actually a good pick

[astral yoke]

Yep, switched from Stored Power to Moonblast and immediately the next battle had 2 dark types. Just set up and sweeped

[wary flame]

do they switch into well or you going to have to sack something to get them in

[wispy ember]

E.speed porygonz/dragonite

[low merlin]

i thought that was a meme

[wary flame]

thats fair

[prime garnet]

Fast ball

[wispy ember]

welll, electrode completely nullifies boomburst

[astral yoke]

Don't let the Chef cook

[wispy ember]

Haze:
Whirlwind:

[astral yoke]

Well yeah, that's a problem

[wispy ember]

Am telling you, espeon/registeel magic bounce

[fast blade]

That's so insane

[glacial bane]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-blink-blinking-gif-25635243

[wary flame]

thats fairs but what if you want to run a better abilty for the rest of the metagame

[wispy ember]

depends on the fusion and your needs

[astral yoke]

welp... i think i'm bored of showdown already LOL

[wispy ember]

it's just a proof of concept that noivern is not a 100% win condition

[wispy ember]

I won't touch the ladder today

have done enough so and my 50% wr is still up and running

[astral yoke]

Not about the ladder, i just didn't like singles to begin with

[wispy ember]

sadly there isn't a tier for doubles

only ag

[astral yoke]

also, IF fusions is all kinds bullshit

[wary flame]

running one pokemon that might not even be that goood to beat one pokemon doeas't sound health

[wispy ember]

well tbh, with electrode

you still get stupid speed

[astral yoke]

Either way i got top 10, good enough

[wispy ember]

it can function easily as a special sweeper outside of noivern only situations

[astral yoke]

Yeah, Electrode isn't just a Soundproofer, it has one of the highest speeds

[slender holly]

will there be tiers for stuff like little cup one day

[wispy ember]

maybe

not planned currently

[astral yoke]

Personally i prefer bulkier mons, so i would've preferred Mr Mime instead

[slender holly]

thats fair

[astral yoke]

at least it can set up screens as well

[fast elm]

LC is planned actually it got recommended to me by a friend

[prime garnet]

LC pog

[wispy ember]

oh, cool

[wary flame]

that didt stop regual electrode from falling down the tiering ladder

[wispy ember]

I should get a list from you yoshi

to not spread misinformation

[fast elm]

all good

[true fiber]

What's the highest defense pokemon that isn't fully evolved? I wanna do some crazy Body Press thing.

[astral yoke]

It fell down the ladder becuz stats isn't everything. Electrode's abilities are trash, and the movepool is shallow af

[wispy ember]

yeah, but we're playing fusions

[fast elm]

theres a lot of stuff planned that is just kinda in my head ig so can't expect anyone to know that

[true fiber]

With Eviolite

[wispy ember]

so a "maybe" or "not prioritised" should suffice

[wary flame]

nat dex or gen 7

[astral yoke]

But here in IF, we can do all kinds of bullshit for electrode, and unlike regular gameplay, Soundproof is actually good specifically becuz of Noivern/Sylveon

[wispy ember]

you can run kadabra/electrode magic guard mind blown

[astral yoke]

Wait... u can do that?

[wispy ember]

yes

[astral yoke]

FCK

[wispy ember]

someone used it in yesterdays tournament

Alakazam is in ubers

kadabra is not

[wary flame]

it just all sounds like quagsire again in gen 8 ubers

[wispy ember]

a staple on my team

but people started using mold breaker

[prime garnet]

Larvesta LC sweep

[astral yoke]

How do u deal with Marowak/Scizzor?

[feral anchor]

Kill it

[wispy ember]

is that a question

or a rhetorical one

[wary flame]

hows it going to do that?

[feral anchor]

Just be faster, easy fix

[astral yoke]

I don't mean for your Quagsire

i'm asking becuz i need ideas to fix my team

[wispy ember]

@fast elm how hard would it be to add "head" - "body" to these?

[prime garnet]

Being cute yeah that thing can't run a quiver set lol

[wispy ember]

bug/ground

[feral anchor]

Get something with a super strong bullet punch

[wary flame]

does it even get quiver?

[feral anchor]

And or mach punch

[wispy ember]

low Sp.D

[astral yoke]

Preferably some useful advice

[fast elm]

not hard

you mean like head-pokemon instead of pokemon?

[wispy ember]

just an indicator

as to what slot is what

is it head or body

[true fiber]

It ended up being Dusclops.

[prime garnet]

Nope

[feral anchor]

Use priority. You’re welcome.

[fast elm]

think the base mon is head and the fusion is body

though i can't ever remember it straight

[pure breach]

yeah

[wispy ember]

yes

[pure breach]

the first you pick is the head

the other the body

[wispy ember]

that is the case, was just wondering

[prime garnet]

I feel like Cubone/Scizor can't do much against a Flying type, or bulky water

[wary flame]

we will have to make do with Flame Charge

[wispy ember]

going back to this

80 base sp.d

it gets bodied by scald

or any s.effective special move

[astral yoke]

Marowak/Scizzor is resistant to Bullet Punch, and a Mach Punch won't kill its bulky ass...

[prime garnet]

Surprise physical Larvesta

[wispy ember]

yeah

coz it's a def mon

[prime garnet]

Watr

[astral yoke]

... right... i forgot i run bulky slow/middle speed mons... so Marowak/Scizzor is far more effective on me than others

[wary flame]

suprise more like that the only thing it can do (it has 50 sp atk and 85 atk)

[wispy ember]

Having a water type move is basically a staple

[astral yoke]

i have no water types 😛

[wary flame]

why?

[wispy ember]

Believe me, I struggle with team building as much as you do

[prime garnet]

Get some liquid smh

[prime garnet]

Oh my bad, I thought it was reversed, my memory sucks
Omg Larvest FC sweep!

[feral anchor]

there’s a special priority fighting type move
Also it can’t invest in bulk that much if it wants to do damage

[wispy ember]

also that^

it either goes HP/ATK or ATK/Speed

and the latter

is fucking stupid

[wary flame]

yeah i dont know why it built like that

[glacial bane]

Just curious, has anyone cooked with weather teams yet? How did it go?

[feral anchor]

This quote is going to be very important so listen

[wispy ember]

a lot

Drizzle teams are plenty

[feral anchor]

“The best way to win is to not lose.”

[wary flame]

good mostly

[astral yoke]

Any of them successful? Ran into 5 weather teams, all dead easily

[wispy ember]

Have you fought Oaks?

[astral yoke]

Not yet

[wispy ember]

[wary flame]

was it mine?

[wispy ember]

I got a win against it

[feral anchor]

The terrains are actually kinda good

[prime garnet]

Special ™️

[astral yoke]

idk

[wispy ember]

but I had good counters for it in my team

[timber stone]

turns out im terrible at this

[wispy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[prime garnet]

I'm trying a hail and/or sun double team, still building

[wary flame]

did it have the zapdos poiltoed fustion as its rian setter

[feral anchor]

I am so good at making sets

[timber stone]

i'd like to believe its because i only limit myself to sprites i made

[astral yoke]

Probably not

[wary flame]

your hail setting is bloody auorus just dont

[astral yoke]

Didn't see any Zapdos/Politoeds yet

[wary flame]

okie good cause my team was very very bad

[timber stone]

i saw politoad/zapdos as a rain setter

[wispy ember]

Vin and Oak have that one iirc

[astral yoke]

https://pokepast.es/bec8d1aa3ffecee5
My team is pretty imbalanced atm
Might have to replace the Registeel/Haxorus

[feral anchor]

Articuno+Delibird is a really good support option especially if you want to use auroros for strong ice stab

[prime garnet]

Ooo, I am using Aurorus nice

[glacial bane]

What does Delibird do?

[feral anchor]

Aurora veil and hail

[wary flame]

o yeah this team with aridos

[feral anchor]

Articuno has freeze dry

[prime garnet]

Oh Aurorus was being my veil user

[feral anchor]

Its basically offbrand iron bundle

[glacial bane]

Doesn't Articuno also have that?

[wispy ember]

oh right, Delibird should get snow warning

as it does in PIF

[prime garnet]

Jolteon/Aurorus(I wish the inverse was Electric/Ice my sprite sucks as rock)

[wary flame]

why were you useing aridos over Galvantula?

[feral anchor]

The voices are too strong

Ariados is kinda good in some situations

[wary flame]

when?

[feral anchor]

When you need a physical galvantula

[wary flame]

there running speical

on the pokepaste

[wispy ember]

why they did ariados so dirty

[feral anchor]

They’re stressed out and cant build an actual team? Idk

[feral anchor]

Gen 2

[wary flame]

thats fair

[wispy ember]

yeah ikik

[prime garnet]

Ariados and a lot of gen 2 mons need a boost

Not even like 500 BST, just a little oomph

[feral anchor]

I have a recently made team too
Tell me what you think about it
https://pastebin.com/ra21zEPm

[prime garnet]

0 reason to use Ledian
Also I'm talking abotu this outside of PIF

[ember nova]

Okay Megaligasion should really be OU.

[wary flame]

why fako out

[prime garnet]

I feel all the triples should be OU no?

[ember nova]

Probably ya.

[glacial bane]

Are any of them good? Haven't tried or seen them

[feral anchor]

Extra turn of damage for free

[prime garnet]

Gen 2 triple kicked my butt so maybe

[wispy ember]

bruh

[wary flame]

i think the reaons there not is because they use one of the base as the mon to copy of so when they get copy then went to that tier

[wispy ember]

I admire your dedication

[wary flame]

i would say willo wisp

[prime garnet]

Maybe

[wispy ember]

Dragororus (Dragonite) @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Refrigerate
Fusion: Aurorus
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Dragon Dance
• Dragon Claw
• Earthquake

e.speed refrigerate

[feral anchor]

It has toxic and tspikes

[wispy ember]

and kyurem typing

[wary flame]

steel types phyical attaks

or taunt

to stop defog

[prime garnet]

Wow an actually good phsyical ice move

[feral anchor]

Not needed

[prime garnet]

What you gonna do against a fairy?

[feral anchor]

Kingler fuse

[prime garnet]

Oh sorry meant to Millian's fusion

[wary flame]

why is it unburden and curse

[feral anchor]

The whole point of the team is to set up for a kingler or bibarel sweep

[wispy ember]

well

it isnt mine

taken straight from the pastebin R posted

[prime garnet]

O h

[feral anchor]

Curse whiteherb actives unburden

[prime garnet]

I missed the pastebin I see now

[wary flame]

i didt see the item that makes sense

[wary flame]

yea

[prime garnet]

Bellking is pretty neat, never would have thought to fuse em

Jeez it has sheer force q.dance

[feral beacon]

not a lotta people in nat dex ag rn

[true fiber]

This is pretty funny to me.

[wispy ember]

Close combat:

[true fiber]

yeah

[wispy ember]

god bless chansey is in AG

[prime garnet]

Nat dex overwhelms me, but I do wanna use my canon team in it

[true fiber]

I'm just messing around with the unlimited stuff to see what's possible.

Zoroark with H-Typhlosion seems fun.

But overall not that strong.

Illusion with only weak to fairy is nice tho

[tiny wadi]

how do you choose a fusion tho?

[wispy ember]

[tiny wadi]

AH NVM i see

sorry sorry

[wary flame]

also can i ask how usega going to be collect?

[true fiber]

Also made a Xerneas/Calyrex-Shadow

So that's fun

[feral beacon]

that sounds like something I want to fight

[true fiber]

Geomancy, Astral Barrage, Moonblast, and Baton Pass.

The weakest pokemon I've made so far is Gholdengo/Blissey lol

[feral beacon]

that sounds amazing

[wispy ember]

baton pass AG

unless it's allowed in NatDex OU

[astral yoke]

Top 5... i've done good?

[wispy ember]

how do them people do it

[astral yoke]

They good, we suck

[wispy ember]

true that

no aqua jet

[astral yoke]

Of all my party members, this guy remains the MvP

[south perch]

Azumaxys (Azumarill) @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
Fusion: Deoxys
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Play Rough
• Extreme Speed
• Liquidation
• Poison Jab

[feral beacon]

not too surprising

[true fiber]

tera ghost is also an option

Just thought about it

[wispy ember]

natdex :

[astral yoke]

granted it alone isn't enough, Whimsicott/Celebi setting screens, and even a healing wish if needed helped keep it alive many times

[true fiber]

Like I said. I'm just making random stuff in the unlimited one

[astral yoke]

@wispy ember you weren't kidding... this is some scary shit

[wispy ember]

told you

[astral yoke]

Too bad it doesn't have STAB, it would've been even more insane

[wispy ember]

369 speed, enough to outspeed most

if you drop modest for timid

then, unless something is scarfed/prio, you're always first

[astral yoke]

Well i figured it needed more fire power. 150 BP without STAB isn't as... badaboom as you might expect

Now i actually wanna test it out lol

Also recently encountered this during my queues. It's fast af, outspeeding even my Noivern/Sylveon when it was -1 speed, and Serene Grace Iron Head RNG stole my win...

[wispy ember]

x4 resist

to fairy

dies to eq tho

actually, even scald does

[astral yoke]

Yep, to be fair, i sent out my Noivern cuz it has 7% HP left, and i needed to finish it off

[wispy ember]

I've met that before

[wary flame]

shouldt outspeed if it was timed

[wispy ember]

also it does not outspeed a scarfed noivern

[astral yoke]

i mean... Pixel plate 😛

[fast blade]

Liquidation isn't in this game?

It's not attainable

[wispy ember]

do you really, need another 1.2x boost

on an already very strong move

[astral yoke]

IT'S NEVER ENOUGH

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-power-animefan27-kagenou-cid-the-eminence-in-shadow-kage-no-jitsuryokusha-ni-naritakute-gif-26866118

[wispy ember]

I should watch that

I love parodies

[astral yoke]

It's really good

[wispy ember]

and I have a taste for isekai's

[astral yoke]

i thought it was just another shitty isekai, but it's more of a parody

[wispy ember]

I am thinking, One Punch Man of Isekais

[astral yoke]

Kinda, but it's more Overlord

[wispy ember]

Overlord is so good omg

Binged s2-4 in like 3 days

[feral beacon]

oh hey, I just saw one of these

[astral yoke]

Either way, it's a must watch, even if u hate isekais

[wispy ember]

what's the name of it again?

[astral yoke]

Season 2 started already too

kage no jitsuryokusha... something...

[wispy ember]

The Eminence in Shadow

[astral yoke]

only remember the 1st 3 words

Ah right, that's the english title

[wispy ember]

dropped it into my mal

will probably stay there forever

[feral beacon]

...huh

[astral yoke]

kinda discouraged to try out random interesting sets when any loss i get while testing sends me down the ladder...

[wispy ember]

Zorode (Zoroark) @ Life Orb
Ability: Soundproof
Fusion: Electrode
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dark Pulse
• Thunderbolt
• Volt Switch
• Sludge Bomb

dont mind sludge bomb

coverage move

[feral beacon]

I'm #3 on the Nat Dex AG ladder

[wary flame]

make an alt accont

[wispy ember]

405 speed, dark type for prankster

y'alls showdown nicknames are weird

[astral yoke]

Caffeine and Kaffeine was taken, so Qaffeine was next

[wispy ember]

that I am aware

[south perch]

It's in AG

[feral beacon]

my showdown nickname is my discord handle

[wispy ember]

and yet, your display name varies

[feral beacon]

or rather, they're both my Minecraft Username since that's where I used it first

[wispy ember]

quite a lot

[true fiber]

Victini/Enamorus for strongest V-Create with Contrary

[prime garnet]

I'm Ghostneko7 or some variation across every site I use 😔

[wispy ember]

I managed to secure Milian1 on most sites/games

god bless for that actually

[astral yoke]

IF OU bruh

[true fiber]

V-Create and Overheat lmao

[astral yoke]

Enamorus isn't in the tier

[true fiber]

I know

Also Moonblast and Draining Kiss

[pure breach]

I raise you Entei

[worldly forge]

Not sure how to use smogon/what tier my team would fall into but if anyone wants to critique it here it is.

[wispy ember]

volcarona makes this AG

other than that, OU

also, based rampardos user

[worldly forge]

I use a fossil team in mainline games rampados is suprisingly effective.

[wispy ember]

highest non-legendary/mythical ATK in the game

but the other stats are garbo

[tepid bear]

any thoughts for potential teams building around a luxray fusion? i like the idea of hydregion + luxray

[wispy ember]

specs and volt switch?

[tepid bear]

eh idk

the set is subject to change

was just my first crack at it, i dont teambuild much

[fast blade]

What's it's speed?

[tepid bear]

282

[opaque solar]

Does Hydreigon get ice beam? If so that would give you some good coverage

[tepid bear]

nope

[tiny wadi]

[opaque solar]

Steel beam is also a reliable coverage option, would help against fairy matchups. Dragon Pulse if you want a more reliable dragon attack

Draco isn't bad but you basically have to switch afterwards, which can obviously be an issue. Not my cup of tea, but can work.

[feral anchor]

Just finished another team. Have fun with it

https://pastebin.com/RUURXjyg

[tiny wadi]

@feral anchor why not https://pokepast.es/

[feral anchor]

I had to use mobile for this team

[tiny wadi]

no worries

[feral anchor]

https://pokepast.es/887726e584f23bad
There

[prime furnace]

Time to get back to showdown

[tiny wadi]

this needs to be banned intantly

[sage garden]

there is a banlist for OU ?

[wispy ember]

it is

it's in Anything Goes

[tiny wadi]

am i running the wrong thing

i was sure i was on OU

hm

[wispy ember]

everything that is in ubers

go to teambuilder and check it out

[sage garden]

welp and munja ?

ability clause or something ?

[wispy ember]

other notable ones are baton pass, speed boost, light ball on pikachu

species clause is a thing

ohko clause

[wispy ember]

this only affects a 1:1 fusion

you can have 2 of the same mons on your team as long as they're fused with smth else

[sage garden]

and to create a team you need manual pastebin ?

[wispy ember]

teambuilder?

[sage garden]

ah

[wispy ember]

go on the site

and try it out

[sage garden]

iam silly its showdown xD

[wispy ember]

if you ever used/played showdown

basically 1:1 experience

with an added box for them fusions

[tiny wadi]

up top

[feral beacon]

i think my favorite gimmick team so far for AG is six Doublades

[wary flame]

Was it you I played against

[feral beacon]

Probably

the main issue I'm having right now is that OHKO moves are still erroneously banned in Gen 7 AG

and Gen 9 AG has Urshifu, which hard-counters the Doublades

so for now i switched to a team that is NOT six doublades

[round owl]

wish it was easier to find custom sprites here...

Im surprised that ALL Pokémon are available. I thought it´d just be the ones in IF´s dex

[royal solstice]

I think worry seed would be a good move in ag

Lots of op abilities

[wary flame]

That’s in Nat dex the gen 7 one is just if Pokémon

[low merlin]

so you were the doublade person

[feral anchor]

Fun fact: Celebi gets Geomancy
Have fun making your offbrand xearneases

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/64653911bb738a4d

is this a good team

[round owl]

There´s no Gen 7 Free For All though :/

[wispy ember]

what even if FFA in showdown terms?

[astral yoke]

Yeah, no STAB, can't even kill something not bulky

[wispy ember]

[round owl]

The mode from Gen 7 where four players fight each other. It´s really fun with friends!
and really useful when you´re a friendgroup of 3 jsjsjs

[prime furnace]

is this even a good team

[wary flame]

Damp rock on Pokémon with no drizzle is interesting

[astral yoke]

Oh, it was also under Sun... so... yeah...

[prime garnet]

I got you

[wary flame]

Use renu over it

For power

[astral yoke]

As in Reuniclus/Electrode?

[wary flame]

Yes

If you want raw power

[pastel sun]

anyone know why this is happening? it seems to be a bug, it shows a message like this no matter what i set the moves to

[prime garnet]

Meteor mash x2

[astral yoke]

Gonna test. At the very least it's more bulky

[pastel sun]

it doesnt have meteor mash x2.

[wispy ember]

have you tried reading what it says?

[prime garnet]

You have it twice x)

[wary flame]

You have overcoat on it

[pastel sun]

this is the mon

[wispy ember]

this is strictly an example

[pastel sun]

it doesnt have a duplicate move

[prime garnet]

O h

Iron head is being read as meteor mash or somethn??

Pick one steel type move and see what happens

[wary flame]

Event only moves I guess

[prime garnet]

A h could be

[pastel sun]

even if i remove meteor mash its still fucked

[wispy ember]

meteor mash is the problem

[pure breach]

have you tried changing either of the other two mons?

[feral beacon]

It's a pretty small ladder to be #1 at, but #1 is #1

[pastel sun]

it thinks theres a dupe move every time

[prime garnet]

Why does it say play rough 💀
That is weird

[pastel sun]

no i added play rough to replace meteor mash

[wispy ember]

meteor mash is the issue

[pastel sun]

this sucks because i love dry kibble n bits. theyre like my favourite of the mons ive made

[wispy ember]

this is valid for me

[pastel sun]

it throws an error with these moves

[wispy ember]

yeah, coz jirachi learns none of these

[prime garnet]

Make a clean new Jichomp without those moves

[fallen epoch]

I'm gonna try and make garchomp/registeel viable

[prime garnet]

O h

[wispy ember]

it does not get meteor mash

nor play rough

if they are shown as valid on showdown (they are)

that's a site issue

[wary flame]

That level up only check to

Tm *

[wispy ember]

meteor mash does not exist as a tm

you can get it by transfer

[wary flame]

Event move transferred

Yeah

[astral yoke]

ppl need to realize that entry hazard setters are not so good if they're at least not threatening...

[wispy ember]

yeah, but we're playing if

yeah, both of those are transfer moves

[pure breach]

actually

Body Slam is the issue

[wispy ember]

also a transfer move for jirachi

[pure breach]

should validate fine if you change Body Slam for something else

[wispy ember]

play rough is an issue as well

[prime garnet]

Transfer/Egg/Event moves issue maybe

[wispy ember]

validates fine with just this

[pure breach]

Play Rough and Meteor mash are from a gen 6/7 event

Body Slam is from a gen 3 event

[prime garnet]

+event x) apparently

[pastel sun]

well thats wretched

well im sad i cant have meteor mash but i got dry kibble n bits working

meteor mash serene grace is funny as fuck </3

[pure breach]

you can have it

just not with Body Slam

[wispy ember]

[feral beacon]

i think more people should play nat dex AG

[astral yoke]

Hmm, even with Reuniclus, Mind Blown is still too gimmicky

[pastel sun]

i couldnt get it working even if i removed body slam. it probably requires a specific nature

[tiny wadi]

look at this beauty

[pastel sun]

i should make sprites for the two mons on my team that dont have custom sprites

[prime garnet]

I think more people should play doubles, I'm loading no one 💀

[feral beacon]

Hmm, true

[wispy ember]

doubles are AG

which kinda sucks

[tiny wadi]

same

i was waiting for 15 mins

[pastel sun]

nvm i got it working. i have a different mon with body slam so i think im using meteor mash for now

[prime garnet]

w e l p xD

If anyone playing doubles wants to help me test my team, I'm Ghostneko7 lol

[tiny wadi]

i deleted my team

[prime garnet]

[tiny wadi]

same

lmao

[prime garnet]

Bulky

[tiny wadi]

OH NO IT HAPPENED TO ME TOO

[prime furnace]

https://pokepast.es/d5d498f434eda277

is this a good team or no

[prime garnet]

Jirachi got porblems wow

[tiny wadi]

try it out

[feral beacon]

my team unfortunately can't play in gen 7 doubles yet

but I'm in gen 9 doubles if you want to do that

[prime furnace]

I tried to make a good team

[prime garnet]

I'll see how well my mess plays out xD

Wait gen 9? Like Nat Dex or?

[wary flame]

why do you have damp rock on a none weather pokemon

[wary flame]

it says top right

[royal solstice]

A- accuracy

[feral beacon]

yeah

[prime furnace]

it has rain dance-

[feral beacon]

the gen 7 doubles has a duplicates clause and my team has duplicates

[prime garnet]

so many doublade xD

[prime garnet]

I need my glasses whoops

[wary flame]

still

[prime furnace]

and the rain dance is for my luxslash's thunder

[feral beacon]

Good luck, ghost

[wary flame]

also why are all yours mons mix attackers

[tiny wadi]

most busted thing i've seen so far

[prime furnace]

i dont play competitive how am I supposed to know whats good and whats not

[wary flame]

yeah i made it too (the set not the spirt)

[wary flame]

good context dont run mixed astcckaer unless they have a good speed stat

[south perch]

why can't I choose a fusion in teambuilder anymore?

[south perch]

just lost to this 2 seconds ago

[shadow arrow]

I've been using sylveon and arcanine for pixilate extreme speed

[wary flame]

do you know what that thing does

[shadow arrow]

pixilate boomburst yeah

[tiny wadi]

yeah

[shadow arrow]

still weak to priority moves like bullet punch/ice shard

[south perch]

Why is there no option to choose the fusion anymore?

[wary flame]

so was Chien-Pao

[tiny wadi]

i want that stupid slyveon fuion to be gone

omg

[wary flame]

have you refecfesh

[tiny wadi]

only tihng i lose to so far

[south perch]

Nevermind, i didnt have a format selected

[prime garnet]

Try #1175117403219308654
But also refresh, or recheck that you're in a tier/format

Ah yep

[shadow arrow]

chien-pao has 135 speed, sylveon noivern only has 102

[wary flame]

garchopm speed

[shadow arrow]

lots of things are faster than garchomp

[feral beacon]

Sylveon Noivern loses to Clefairy Doublade

[prime garnet]

Usually choice scarf'd though