pif-hoenn-discussion

[median fox]

Mons

Glimmora as example

Otherwise the other two don’t get much value

[clear lichen]

I do like most of the Paradox Mons from a casual standpoint

And tbf only Fucker Mane annoys me competitively

[grave jolt]

With how offense oriented IF is I've never really gotten to use T-Spikes well

[clear lichen]

That said it also annoys me casually

I FUCKING HATE FLUTTER MANE

[median fox]

Flutter and iron hands kinda make me sad

[clear lichen]

Iron Hands makes me sad for another reason than you probably

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE PHYSICAL STAB MOVES

WHY IS SUPERCELL SLAM A FUCKING JUMP KICK CLONE AND NOT A HJK CLONE

[grave jolt]

I keep reading T-spikes as "thunder spikes" which makes me think of a version that makes non-ground pokemon Paralized instead

[median fox]

He replaces so many trick room pokemon

[clear lichen]

I complain about this like every day

And I'll continue complaining about it, too

Because holy shit Supercell Slam was a chance for physical Electric types to get a physical move that isn't ass

And it simply was dogshit

[median fox]

I just don’t like how iron hands is kinda just
Now a default trick room mon and if your not bringing him your missing out cause he’s that strong in it that it’s like a pseudo restricted

[grave jolt]

Forgot electroweb existed

[median fox]

He’s like flutter in that regard

[median fox]

I’ve never ran thag move before honestly

[clear lichen]

Probably because it's hot garbage

[median fox]

It’s just not worth it
I replace it with volt switch a lot cause
Like
Fuck it lets give the super strong trick room mon and stab switch out move

[clear lichen]

Is it worse than Wild Charge though?

Hmm...

[median fox]

Kinda yea

[clear lichen]

Idk they're both utterly ass

[median fox]

I’ll see wild charge
I won’t see the other one ever

[clear lichen]

It's like comparing Singles Dusknoir and Singles Dusclops

[median fox]

That’s the difference really

[clear lichen]

Like why are you doing that they're both so ass

Compare like actually somewhat relevant Pokemon like Chansey and Blissey

[median fox]

I’d say like doubles to
But doubles Dusclops with eviolite is unironically a top 10 ghost type of all time just not rn

[clear lichen]

I've found like

1 time for each where I can comfortably say one is better

[grave jolt]

Wildcharge vs supercell slam

[clear lichen]

And everything else they're both so bad that I find 0 conclusive evidence

[clear lichen]

Wack Charge and Supershit Slam, my favourite duo of dogshit moves

[median fox]

The accuracy is the reason charge gets used on iron hands

[clear lichen]

They're also like

[grave jolt]

Zebstrika can learn both

[clear lichen]

Yknow how Typhlosion, Hitmontop and Electivire get used in tiers they don't belong a shitton?

[median fox]

Nope

[clear lichen]

Yeah both Dusknoir and Dusclops experience that too

So they get stuck in tiers where they're unviable

Other examples include NatDex Mega Banette (until recently) and NatDex Mega Beedrill

[median fox]

Dusclops makes a sense cause
Eviolite can actually make him. Real pokemon on the right team but singles is weird

[clear lichen]

Dusclops and Dusknoir's comparisons are like

The best way to show how fraudulent of an item Eviolite is in Singles

Because genuinely it doesn't fucking matter they're both worthless

[grave jolt]

Wasn't Megabeedrill like UU in its debut gen?

[clear lichen]

I think so? Maybe UUBL

[median fox]

Yea
I like doubles more cause it doesn’t need each mon to be independently strong

[clear lichen]

But NatDex UU is a different place than Gen 6 UU

[grave jolt]

and then it never lived again

[median fox]

Megabeedrill is my favourite absolutely useless mega

[clear lichen]

Tell me how the fuck Mega Bee breaks Skarmory, or Celesteela

Or how it even hopes to get past Mega Aerodactyl, or heck even Mega Latias

[grave jolt]

Blissey, Stallreign, and the Wall

[clear lichen]

Like it literally just misses the OHKO on Latias

And then gets OHKOd in return

It can't be understated how much of a fraud Mega Bee is

In NatDex UU

[median fox]

There’s. Good reason stall was actively stopped as a strat

Cause it’s just bad to play against and play and watch and hear about and team build for

[clear lichen]

Tera Ice was ran defensively at one point in OU

Like

On a sample team

Because that's how desperate the situation was against Kyurem

[grave jolt]

Because It's not fun to fight, watch, or play, and is mostly outcompeted by hard offense

[clear lichen]

Stall's not quite unviable in Gen 9

[torn crane]

Ain't u just spam uturn and bring the real threat in

[clear lichen]

But it certainly is its worst generation

[clear lichen]

If you're using a Mega slot to bring your real threat in idk what to say

Like idk just use Mega Venusaur or Mega Aero or something

[grave jolt]

which is another beedrill with U-Turn

[clear lichen]

Since you can literally use any other pivot in that case

[grave jolt]

Should I do a blissey run 🤔 (no)

[clear lichen]

Stall's a playstyle that honestly gets too much hate, it's a lot more complex than it seems

[median fox]

Mega venasaur my beloved

[clear lichen]

If a singular Pokemon on your stall team dies, prepare to get your team systematically dismantled

[median fox]

It’s hate is deserved cause it’s not
Fun to play against or watch
It can be complex
But only for one side of the board

[grave jolt]

It does take careful maneuvering since you're giving initiative to your enemy until you've set up

[clear lichen]

And being on the end systematically dismantling Stall is fun for me

It's like a puzzle

[median fox]

Zoners in fgc are complex for both sides which makes them more interesting

The most complex beating a stall team is is just “can I outdamage they’re sustain”

[clear lichen]

Yknow, until your opponent's Stall team is so poorly made it has like

0 Toxic users

And you set up to +6 with Lunala on them for free

But aside from that

[median fox]

Toxapex my beloved

[grave jolt]

Idk why you wouldn't get toxic on a stall team that's kinda looking for disaster

[clear lichen]

I met the same person on ladder later

Instead of getting Toxic they put Shadow Ball on their Chansey

It didn't work

I still set up to +6 on Chansey

[grave jolt]

lmao

[clear lichen]

They forgot to consider that Lunala is bulky as fuck and further boosting its SpD with Calm Mind

And that Chansey hits like a pea

[clear lichen]

I remember they also had a Clodsire

[torn crane]

Dude that's bliissey

[clear lichen]

Which I'm assuming was Unaware

But like

Moongeist Beam

Lmao

[clear lichen]

Anyways Blissey is better than Chansey in Gens 2, 3, 4, 8 and 9

And I think recent viability rankings put it above Chansey in Gen 6 and/or 7 too

Heavy-Duty Boots basically propelled Blissey into being the obvious better choice over Chansey

And of course before Eviolite was introduced Blissey is better too

[grave jolt]

Blissey is uu in gen 6 and 7, while chansey is OU in gen 6 and 7

[clear lichen]

Volcarona's like a top 10, 15 Pokemon in Gen 6

And is UUBL

Just saying

[grave jolt]

I mean UUBL is basically OU if you think about it

[clear lichen]

OK I just checked it's 8th place

Point is, usage doesn't necessarily mean viability

Also misremembered, Chansey is better than Blissey by like 1 tier in Gen 6

But Blissey's still ranked quite highly

It's actually Gen 5 where Blissey is better

So Gens 2-5, and 8+9, Blissey is better

[grave jolt]

They're the same niche, and basically the same pokemon without HDB

[clear lichen]

In Gens 6 and 7, Chansey is better

[clear lichen]

Chansey is far more dependent on its item

Blissey hates losing Leftovers/HDB, sure, but Chansey losing Leftovers is catastrophic

Sorry, Eviolite

[grave jolt]

Chansey uses eviolite in 6/7

yeee

[clear lichen]

My brain sometimes doesn't work

[clear lichen]

Uses it in Gen 5 too

At least I'd assume it would

As an additional note, I see people often state P2 is far better than Pz

Not only is this fucking stupid since their roles are completely different

But P2 is ranked higher than PZ in a singular generation

[grave jolt]

without eviolite, Chansey is strictly worse blissey

[clear lichen]

Anyways, TLDR: Eviolite is a fraud item in Singles

[grave jolt]

Chansey is one of the few success stories, and only in the 2 popular generations

[clear lichen]

And is very overrated, especially in low ladder

You see people running shit like eviolite 2nd stage starters in low ladder

[grave jolt]

lmao

[clear lichen]

NatDex OU btw

[grave jolt]

Prob want to use their in game team or smth

[clear lichen]

Literally just use the fully evolved starter

Every starter has at least 1 unbanned form in NatDex OU

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/sniffing-grotle-pokemon-truffle-pig-gif-13030823

[quaint matrix]

A Steel that resists Water and Electric and is neutral to Ground?

Strong?

Perish the thought....

Can't wait for Heatran to come to this game so we can just have basically nigh-unkillable Grass/Steel mons

[grave jolt]

Yeah that'd be great

How many fighting type moves even are there among NPCs in the game?

[viscid fossil]

I want Heatran because bug/steel with shedinja would be the biggest bluff in the game
Because either it's immune to fire or only weak to fire

[full bison]

My favorite Pokemon to fuse with Heatran would probably be Vespiquen, cause fire immune Bug/Steel with Healing Order

[quaint matrix]

Bro Vespiquen coming would be so gas

Being able to replace either Bug or Flying with anything else would do so much for it

[fading swift]

…hey I love bug types…

[autumn radish]

tbh, i would love Ribombee to be in PiF as well.
I agree that a Vespiqueen and Heatran would be a good fire immunity with Bug/Steel, a Ribombee/Heatran fusion would be stronger due to taking advantage of Flame Body (that, and Ribombee's speed would help to compensate Heatran's speed).

[full bison]

Ribombee is not helping Heatran take hits with its 60/60/70 bulk

Vespiquen has better bulk on every field with 70/102/102 defenses and a recovery move. Ribombee is faster, but doesn't have anything to substantiate it. I guess Sticky Web, but there's definitely better combos for abusing that.

[trail hull]

all these debate about heatran when it can't even get into this time

[odd hamlet]

Unless they make a surprise release

I can't exclude they add some new postgame legendaries for PIF-Hoenn

[trail hull]

Yes

Tho I think If we do get a legendary it wouldn’t be heatran

[velvet root]

I mean it would fit into Hoenn

[trail hull]

Yeah but there’s some canditates that I think would have better chance

[fallen loom]

Manaphy

it's sea based

Heatran is land based

[full bison]

And then we can add Volcanion for Aqua and Magma to fight over

[proud lion]

The Genies for Weather?

[trail hull]

to me the genies , victini (to celebrate the 10 year anniversary fusion day) and volcanion are the most likely

[full bison]

Hoopa is the most likely in my view cause it has the most precedence in Hoenn

[solar elbow]

Might be a dumb question, but will a remix mode be in pif hoenn? Or will that be added later once the game is fully done?

[velvet root]

We dont know

[soft sable]

love durant easily the second coolest gen 5 steel type

[crimson rivet]

Durant is my 3rd fav pokemon

🤑

[velvet root]

Great to hear

[crimson rivet]

I'm so excited for Hoenn

Hoenn has some of my favorite pokemon

like Wurmple Seedot and Spoink

Corphish

all peak

[gray stream]

ice type magikarp too

peam

[viral latch]

I got 2 questions is there a set release date and 2 is there a way for me to contribute?

[velvet root]

No and no

[viral latch]

Oh damn, that sucks. Thx for letting me know 🙂 👍

[next flare]

You could make sprites

It won’t affect the release date

[viral latch]

I wish i could draw but i have no skill that's why I asked if I can contribute financially that's all I have but I appreciate you telling me

[gray stream]

you don’t have to be able to draw, I can’t draw either. if you want to start spriting a good way would be through using bases

[viral latch]

Wouldn't even know where to start

Is there program you guys use?

[velvet root]

I use Piskel

[gray stream]

same

if you need a base, go ahead and check out if.daena.me or #assets-gallery / #spriting-resources , just make sure to credit the base maker if it isn’t from gamefreak, smogon, or kingofthexroads

[viral latch]

Oh ok thx both of you

What are the teams again?

Ik one is Emeruby but what's the other?

[thin pawn]

Sapphire

[viral latch]

Wouldn't Sappherald be a better name?

[thin pawn]

Frog combined the two losers, and since Sapphire is the best team, emerald and ruby got combined

[viral latch]

Oh

Sorry im out of the loop, more of a lerker not to good at social stuff or talking on a daily basis.

[full bison]

That's how a couple of us started off, myself included, so I get the feeling

[viral latch]

I mean I like discord servers but it feels like whenever I talk in them I just get kind of drowned out in the background noise and that's more of a me problem than anyone else so it's hard to join conversations. Sorry not trying to vent

[full bison]

The chats here don't move too fast too often. It should be fine here.

[velvet root]

Same so dont worry

[viral latch]

Appreciate it

[inland jewel]

good thing there are multiple ways to contribute then, with spriting you place dots, and most people color over bases with added elements o the other mons. You can do pokedex entries and spin up some lore

[viral latch]

Sounds interesting

[bitter comet]

Dammit, I couldn’t be online so I couldn’t give feedback to anyone on my team now the event is over

https://tenor.com/view/eelektross-thunderbolt-eelektross-uses-thunderbolt-pokemon-electricity-gif-17423086044143793438

Anyways since there is gonna be voting of some sort

Consider the humble Eelektross

[gray stream]

you have a team still

come join us over in #team-emeruby

[bitter comet]

Understandable

But unfortunately I like the other creature better

(Cool looking electric type with levitate go brr)

[velvet root]

I mean you can vote multiple stuff

[bitter comet]

That is true

I’ll change it from a 2 to a 3 then

[viscid fossil]

rotom is already in the game

[velvet root]

[bitter comet]

I said cool looking electric type with levitate

/lh

(Just don’t like rotom that much 🤷 )

[inland jewel]

with the new megas coming with ZA, i wonder how much of those designs will be incorporated with fusions

[quaint matrix]

It's probably already in the works for at least self-fusions

[full bison]

|| Mega Malamar||'s colors would make for some really good Fusions if it could be added

[fallen loom]

no megas

[full bison]

Megas are still frequently referenced in sprites

[fallen loom]

usually in double fusions

[thin pawn]

no megas

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053344

[viscid fossil]

no.

[molten loom]

Mega elements in sprites typically just means they get alted

[hidden relic]

Yeag

[sudden jackal]

Hey hru

[hidden relic]

[sudden jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

It's oke

[faint pebble]

So are they just adding a whole other map to the game?

[full bison]

New game altogether

[sudden jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-disney-toon-disney-gif-5196524200293657131

[full bison]

Not enough map space in the original game to add Hoenn in an enjoyable state

[sudden jackal]

Not even in an enjoyable state just at all

There's fuck all room left

[faint pebble]

A whole new game, so like I know with the 3ds they had a remake of ruby and sapphire, is that same thing just rpg styled?

[sudden jackal]

But with it being a whole new game we get lots of extra stuff in the future

[faint pebble]

I don't suppose you can just copy and paste all the old pokemon sprites?

[sudden jackal]

Idk I do know there's gonna be compatibility between the two games so it could be safe to assume that it would have pif sprites in pif hoenn

[prime dust]

exisitng ones that apply to the rules can be copy pastad more than likely

[proud lion]

Imagine we get Zygarde in Hoenn as a surprise Mon.

[rancid nymph]

We should get my friend Malamar as a surprise Mon

[full bison]

Imagine the discourse on this server if all this Malamar stuff was happening and Emerald one. How angry would people on both Team Emerald and "Rubphire" be if this meme popped up under those circumstances

[rancid nymph]

If the meme had been going on when we were still picking teams, I would have joined Emerald

[tender plank]

it would've been so funny if Malamar was on Sapphire

we could've had it all lol

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/carracosta-pokémon-live-reaction-black-and-white-black-2-and-white-2-gif-14964214766526648870

[thin pawn]

But then we would've voted for an unpopular pokemon because of a meme

[proud lion]

Either way we would have gotten a Team Rocket Mon

[crimson rivet]

Which one

[thin pawn]

Malamar

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-james-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25091008

[crimson rivet]

Yeah L malamar Durant better

[proud lion]

Malamar when the Joltik climbs on its foot:

https://tenor.com/view/peter-gif-9389177566264488652

[crimson rivet]

What does Joltik evolve into again

Garvanchula or smth

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-joltik-spider-charging-gif-1522631237631464847

[crimson rivet]

I love Joltik

Bug pokemon are my favorite ones generally

[full bison]

Gen 5 had the best bugs. That's not an opinion, that's a fact

[soft sable]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lokix-gif-16584323451454011802

[full bison]

Lokix is awesome, but Gen 9's only other Bug that's memorable in a good way is Slither Wing, who's just another Volcarona

There's Rabsca too I guess, but I do forget about it a lot

[fallen loom]

Durant + Kricketune = Lokix

sprite wise

[gray stream]

aren’t those the only bug types from that region in general though, other than spidops

[weak trellis]

that is correct yes, just those four

[thorn forge]

For all the announcements they link to a bunch of no access channels is that because they're closed right now or am I missing a roll?

[proven tusk]

Ur missing a role, there was an event for fusion day

If you joined a team then you’d likely be able to use those channels, it’s why so many people are Christmas colors or shiny blue

[gray stream]

ho ho ho

[inland jewel]

by partaking in the event you got a chance to vote a new mon in

but the chance already passed

[clear lichen]

Tbh yeah no Gen 5 has one of the best rosters of Bugs, if not the best, and the only generation that I think contests it at all is Gen 7

[viscid fossil]

Vikavolt would probably be one of my favorite mons if it didn't have the same speed stat as cradily for no reason at all

[full bison]

Aslowla strikes again

[viscid fossil]

like how is the flying railgun beetle slower than the hermit crab with a giant slab of rock

[weak trellis]

sometimes the numbers just are how they are

[rancid nymph]

Friendly reminder that the Pokédex says it zips around and performs acrobatic flying maneuvers. Yet another example of why the Pokédex shouldn’t be taken as gospel

[full bison]

I think it says the same for escavalier, just to really send how stupid the Pokedex can be sometimes

[rancid nymph]

TBF, I think flying with a rail gun would be kind of hard

[viscid fossil]

better than the pokedex practically saying "yanmega can learn fly" and then it can't learn fly

At least vikavolt can do that

[rancid nymph]

I forgot about that. Good lord the Pokédex doesn’t know what it’s talking about

[gray vine]

it can do so while being slower, theat sentence says barely anything about its speed compared to other mons

[rancid nymph]

It can zip around while being slow?

[gray vine]

slower

not slow

[clear lichen]

That implies that Cradily is also a Speed demon

[gray vine]

alot of things that can fly can zap around

[clear lichen]

And yknow what?

I think the dex says something about it striking fast

[rancid nymph]

It’s base speed is 43

[clear lichen]

And it looks like a sort of creature that would be mostly immobile yet able to strike quickly

[rancid nymph]

That’s slow

[gray vine]

and it can fly?

so it can zap around

[clear lichen]

What they're saying is that it isn't slow, just that Pokemon with highe speed stats are somehow faster

Which for the most part is dumb

[rancid nymph]

It’s zip around, and that means GOING FAST

[clear lichen]

But shh

[gray vine]

imagine a giant fly, it could zap around my head but that wouldnt make it fast. a fly is only hard to catch due to being tiny. if it got bigger and kept its mvoement speed the same it be easy to hit

[clear lichen]

I dont think the combat speed thing makes sense either

[hardy remnant]

Someone actually said the speed stat was more the Pokemon's ability to react.

[clear lichen]

Don't think it makes sense still

Like how does reaction speed allow you to attack first

[clear lichen]

And how does it not help with dodging at all

[gray vine]

ye

[clear lichen]

Ig being fast would help with dodging attacks in general

But thank god it doesn't

Because that'd be awful

[gray vine]

the first example there litterly speaks to what i said

unless we are saying Sally is Flash

its an expression not a term of superspeed

[full bison]

An expression that expresses that you're moving fast

[rancid nymph]

We’re not saying Sally is the flash, we’re saying that Sally is moving quickly

Vikavolt does not move quickly

[hardy remnant]

The video I'm talking about is this: https://youtu.be/MUNdRL4P1MQ?si=Zn7c6npJOQp-Wi4s

[rancid nymph]

For it has a base speed of 45

[gray vine]

also to be fair zap in this case talks about eletrciity. movement speed would be it actively moving, if it where to zap like lighting that wouldnt be its moving speed sicne it can still move aorunmd normally. which is different then it turning into an actual zap

[rancid nymph]

ZIP, not zap

[clear lichen]

Yeah but seriously how does reaction speed help with outspeeding your opponent

The speed stat kinda just makes 0 sense

[gray vine]

ohh ok thought zap cause eletric, zip makes even more sense then sicne thats what a bug does

[hardy remnant]

I'm just going to say watching the video may have it make more sense, but the speed stat really is either reaction time, acceleration, or both.

[gray vine]

to me i tend to see the dex as fact and the game stats as just game stats, makes me feel betetr about gods in this world being able to be defeated by a fish

[clear lichen]

Idk I think the dex is just

Wrong

ahem ahem Lanturn

[full bison]

Lockistin is a good entertainer, but after his whole thing with trying to tie Sun and Moon to alchemy and how derisive he was of people who didn't like his theories, I can't say I would take his word for too much

[hardy remnant]

By the way, the dex never states how fast the mon accelerates to that speed, it just says it can move at that speed.

[rancid nymph]

If the dex was fact, Vikavolt wouldn’t have a base speed of 43

[gray vine]

game stats even started ths whole thing tho. they only work for the ingame battles. they make 0 sense from the actual mons perspective

[clear lichen]

Or more likely, Gamefreak just writes stuff without thinking of the implications

[gray vine]

read my message then

i did say i dont count ingame stats as fact

[hardy remnant]

(Some of his theories I definitely disagree with, this is one of the ones I would agree with a bit.)

[gray vine]

sicne thats the part that really makes no sense if we see the mon in any way outside a battle

[hardy remnant]

Yeah, that would probably make the most sense.(In my opinion)

[rancid nymph]

I did, and the fact is that Vikavolt cannot move fast, yet the dex claims that it can. Ergo, the dex is not being factual

[gray vine]

read my message then

i specially said i wont see ingame stats as fact and now for the second time you tried telling me about ingame stats lul

[rancid nymph]

You said you see the dex as fact, and I am stating that the dex says something that is provably false

[full bison]

This conversation is an ourobouros

[weak trellis]

which is how most of these go from what I feel

[viscid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787

[sudden jackal]

VOTE SIMIPOUR 3
haven't been in a game in 12 years (since X and Y)
Possible triple fusion
More monkey pokemon
Underrated and overhated Pokemon
Guaranteed 6 Pokemon for the price of 1 choice
High Musical fusion potential

[velvet root]

Hard agree
While I didnt give it a 3 I see its potential

[clear lichen]

Ngl if the monkeys get an evolution I want it to be them learning to speak, hear and see no evil

Instead of being the opposite of that idea like they currently are

That could also work well as a self fusion, methinks

[quaint matrix]

It's less the monkes and more just

Mono-types in general

I fully support more mono-mons in this game

[fallen loom]

They're not even really the opposite. They're sort if in between, which is what they look like... middle evolutions

we have better Grass and Fire monkeys in general

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure both other grass monkeys are from Gen 8

[fallen loom]

Simisear is also the weakest of the three.
Simisage has pants, a quiff, shoulder pads and cuffs
Simipoar has a dress
Simisear has... what Simisage has but worse

[clear lichen]

Technically Rillaboom isn't even a monkey since gorillas are not monkeys

And only Grookey and Thwackey are monkeys

(And Zarude)

[sudden jackal]

What grass monkey is better?

[unkempt kernel]

Rillaboom is mono grass but I believe Zarude is Dark Grass

[clear lichen]

Still a Grass monkey

[sudden jackal]

And we are talking about what's in the game right or is this in all Pokemon

[fallen loom]

all Pokémon

[clear lichen]

Anyways the reason why I point out that they're both from Gen 8 is because that makes them not allowed for IF

[sudden jackal]

Ah

[viscid fossil]

If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey
Even if it has a monkey-kinda shape
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey
If it doesn't have a tail it's not a monkey, it's an ape

[clear lichen]

Thus making Simisage the only available grass monkey

[clear lichen]

Yeah and both Grookey and Thwackey have tails

[fallen loom]

Simisage is the best of the 3 elemonkeys IMO

[clear lichen]

Along with Zarude and Simisage

But not Rillaboom

Which makes sense since Rillaboom is a gorilla

[sudden jackal]

[hexed agate]

He has spoken

[sudden jackal]

You know it's happening when a mod tells everyone about it

[inland jewel]

I want to test soething- can anyone fro Sapphire help out

[prime dust]

Pokemon Infinite Water

it's actually just a Minecraft clone with real water physics and your goal is to flood the world

[shy condor]

hello team aqua

[rancid nymph]

That depends on what you want to test

[inland jewel]

a waht-if vote

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

(Didn’t mean to send that twice whoops)

[inland jewel]

its fine

Send you something, from the Emerald vote I had put up it seems like everything is as predicted

though there was one i didn't expect to be as popular as it is

[hardy remnant]

You can delete messages on discord by the way.

[rancid nymph]

I did delete the second one

[hardy remnant]

Oh, okay.

[half hill]

so out curiosity when will the second game be out to play

[molten loom]

When it's finished

[half hill]

sweet

im super pumped

[elfin forge]

There's a demo coming out at some point too

[full bison]

End of the year, most likely

[prime dust]

that got delayed

[inland jewel]

well its technically true, since late december is the end of the year

but yeah its more likely to be released january or february

[fringe dove]

Hoenn

[quaint matrix]

Hoenn more like

Haven't been seen since last Junoenn

[torn crane]

Pokimon legends: fusion

[drowsy mango]

Is there a role we can get to receive notifications on updates ? Both for the hoenn and the current versions?
I find myself with too little time to actually follow what's going on lol

[sudden jackal]

There's a Dev updates ping role you can get

#roles

[simple forum]

is Hoenn gonna have more modern QOL features that basic lacks? Namely Heal and PC anywhere

[molten loom]

Heal anywhere is just potions/revives, don't be lazy buying them, and PC anywhere is an item you can earn in normal game

[trail hull]

2 hours till sapphire vote closed

[inland jewel]

i guess its not both revealed, but instead back to back releases

but like this could be the tag duo of all time

[trail hull]

Both we’re supposed to end at the same time till yesterday when it was changed for emerald ruby

[trail hull]

51 min before the votes end

[summer apex]

I stand by "heal anywhere" not being a QoL feature

at a certain point, you are supposed to grind, and cutting out part of that grind is no longer QoL

[timid echo]

with the magic boots you can absolutely heal anywhere

[drowsy mango]

Thanks

[proud lion]

Who do you think got the vote?

[next flare]

Ducklett

[proud lion]

For me, despite hoping for Panpour, I feel like Croagunk (goat) or Dewpider’s line has a solid chance

[inland jewel]

my vote is on Eelektross or Dragalge

[trail hull]

Welcome back to PPIF News!

We are here for a surprise second article (that's right it's not a one off and it will appear when I feel like it) today we'll talk about fusion day our beloved summer event. I interview gordo about fusion day here is what we talekd about.

1.How did it came to be in the first place

: Fusion Day was proposed as an official yearly thing last year, following the mon' additions of 2023 as a yearly celebration of the server. It also lined up really well with our 500k celebration, so I was given the A-OK to go through with it. This year was moreso following up on the call to make it yearly, which leads into your second question nicely.

2.Were the extra lines this year you or frog idea?

:The new lines this year weren't originally expected from me, since we just got Hoenn - but also I know that people like new additions n' whatnot, so as I was workin' on the banner with NTM, Hexx & Sadfrog - I was also behind the scenes with Frog asking for what I could work with for this year (mostly asking for the colored roles if anything), and was instead greeted with the chance to get 2 mons here into the celebration. Howls gave me the idea of using points, and when I ran it past Frog it was reaffirmed. From there, we could easily tracks some stuff for winners - and I ran with it, which leads me to question 3 nicely as well.

3. What was the hardest part of the organization
:Easily the points - it was my first year of doing something like this with points and had a lot of trouble balancing it out throughout the month. I got pretty close with what I wanted, but there also some huge blunders that lead to unintended results. Luckily, I know where to improve on this structure for what I want to do next year so be on the lookout for that!

Part 1/4

4. Why did you choose pokeathlon as a theme this year?
:Frankly the theme choice was a combination of a couple things? Like I know I wanted the theme to be majorly "Hoenn" to co-enside with the announcement of PIF: Hoenn, and also the ability to justify points & teams in a thematic way. Plus, the Pokeathlon is something official to Pokemon. While it may not be within Hoenn, it worked really well as a connecting piece to all these factors. Plus, it also enabled the team to have some substance in our writing for the events and structure for the sheet.

5.How do you feel about the way this year ended? And what would you have changed?

:Overall, I'm really happy with how this years' events went - I really am. As previously mentioned though, I would've had the point balance be a lot more fluid rather and wish I didn't need to do boosts to stuff throughout the month. We had a lot of "Quantity > Quality" this year, which is something I am working hard to avoid for next year.

6.What was your favorite event and what was the one you liked the less?
:I'd say my favorite event overall would probably have to be Food Fight! - this is an idea I've had for years ((since 2022)), and finally had a good way to execute on it! My least favorite event was for sure the Team Chart Rush - it was last second, slotted in, held the Quantity > Quality that I don't like, and also had some negativity & toxicity surrounding it that just bogged some people down.

Part 2/4

Extra questions (they were asked later and it's too late irl for me to be picky and sort them , it's almost midnight)

A.What was your and the staff reaction to mudkipstire? Did you expected the event to go that route?

:Nope, it was an error on my part for sure.
Even beyond Mudkipster, every team had atleast one person who would've went that route
And that is not what we want to encourage.
Spriters should still take time to refine what they do, and post sprites that can be the best they can be rather that rushing sprites into the gallery that don't meet their full potential. A system of Quantity before Quality only hurts everyone in the community. People who play the game and use the sprites may just skip over them because they don't need their expectations, and we want Spriters to be able to look back on their work and be proud of what they do, rather than only moving forward and not improving along the way. Furthermore, it created a system of where the best way to "win" was to not interact with any of the events and just sprite.Which is also not fun, because it only punishes those who do participate, instead of going for the most efficient strategy/meta

B.did any of your team member/ staff members felt pressure to bulk sprite to keep up?
:Yes and no. Yes - in that there was pressure, but not within the "pumping out sprites" thing. Rather, it was within the contests/events. Hero had put a lot of effort into the contests this time around, and I feel bad to have let them down with the bad point balance within those.

C.Why was 8/8 chosen as the date of fusion day?

:Turn an 8 sideways. It becomes infinity
Therefore it's infinity times infinity, and with our number notation - it's a literal infinite fusion! Figured it'd be a fun touch, and it's what we've went with so far - and will probably stay that way.

Part 3/4

D.Were the pokemon team choice a collective decision among staff or was that mostly just one person?
: We knew that we wanted the team choices to matter this year, otherwise: Why bother with 'em if any team could get any mon in?? So seperating 'em into categories seemed to be the best move - me n' Pory did that within a VC and it worked out pretty well and sent the list to review to Frog, and it looked good, so.... we followed through with it

At last here is the final word of gordo thank you for reading until the end and don't think I didn't saw you posting the word message (that person knows itself)

Part 4/4

[inland jewel]

Nice interview

[sudden jackal]

Tldr?

[tacit saddle]

No.

[tough shore]

Pokebio did a wonderful interview to gordo about fusion day, that you should read if you are interested

[ornate tide]

Frog please free us from Permanent Weather in PIF 2

[sudden jackal]

Nah keep it

Drizzle thunder gonna go crazy

[proud lion]

The reoccuring events keep jumpscaring me

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-trash-wordle-ping-discord-ping-discord-gif-4091784098508272023

[solar vigil]

so is hoenn happening soon?? ive been waiting months and havent heard anything about it in a while.

[sudden jackal]

Games take a WHILE to make ya know expect a demo to come out like end of the year or 2026

This is like mostly 1 guy doing this

[solar vigil]

ok makes sense

just asking coz gen 3 was the first gen i ever played and i cant wait to be able to fuse my favourite mos together

[inland jewel]

when they announced it they said it will take 6 months at minimum for the demo to come out

they then later said, the 6 months aren't doable anymore and will take an extra 2-3 months

though some hints that that estimate is not true anymore

[trail hull]

there was an incident that slowed down pif hoenn

[inland jewel]

they haven't outright gave a release date so we can only speculate the actual time of release

[quaint matrix]

Code-related incident or

[solar vigil]

makes sense

[inland jewel]

we don't know, they just said, the original window is no longer fesible

so wait a bit longer

we'll give a date when we feel likes its ready

[solar vigil]

so next year the demo should be out but itll take at least another year for the game. maybe 2

[inland jewel]

since we know for sure that november isn't available anymore, we can only speculate its a release date of December-February

yes, the demo goes all the way to Slateport

[trail hull]

no

[inland jewel]

Things after Slateport will appear when Frog feels ready to release them

keep in mind though all of Hoenn's mons after slateport can still be obtained via randomizer/wonder trading/ Black market

[prisma oracle]

I was so utterly thrilled when I saw this. two questions please.

1. Can it be correctly assumed that the storyline will be altered like with original infinite fusion?
2. will the battle frontier be here?! (please say yes. please. I'm desperate for a good battle frontier. I'm still pissed they only gave us a "coming soon" sign in omega/alpha )

[trail hull]

Welcome back to PPIF News!

Gordo wasn't the only one I interview yesterday. That's right pory is also here. However it was short , so short infact that I think a screenshot is sufficient enough for this interview (consider this a PPIF News mini). until next time (dw I'm not making this a daily thing)

[weak trellis]

"question 2 steal the kidney stone. that's not a question but someone did it anyway."

[proud lion]

The Sapphire is dead

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-the-heavy-is-dead-tf2-i-am-dead-gif-9810929865374689377

[velvet root]

Frog is writing

[proud lion]

👀

Frog went silent. It’s the big reveal

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/eelektross-thunderbolt-eelektross-uses-thunderbolt-pokemon-electricity-gif-17423086044143793438

FEESH

[velvet root]

Dragalge is a weird winner

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/no-longer-the-only-skrelp-gif-on-tenor-skrelp-pokemon-gif-10909250424874434427

[vital spire]

Fuck Discord lag

[proud lion]

Had him ready since last year #1416832287558865007

[trail hull]

saphire chat is finally gone

it got an extra two weeks compared to the other two

[vital spire]

I hope we can keep our roles...

[trail hull]

I give it an extra few weaks (the time the remaining event finishes)

nevermind

they dissapeared

the colro at least

[velvet root]

Also good to know Counterparts actually dont come together

[tender plank]

knew it was too unrealistic

oh well, always next year

[full bison]

DRAGALGE OUT OF NOWHERE

[trail hull]

it was in the ost likely list

[viscid fossil]

I do wonder how burmy votes will be handled in the future
Only getting one version of wormadam kinda makes sense but still weird

[tender plank]

ok can i have carracosta's placements in the votes now pretty please 🥺
this is important trust

[unkempt kernel]

Well time to not play pif for another year for next vote

[full bison]

I never saw any discussion around Dragalge

[unkempt kernel]

No squirrel

[full bison]

I am a fan of it, but I wasn't expecting it at all

[tender plank]

true, i wonder where that came from

[unkempt kernel]

I did see a lot of dragalge in sapphire chat

[cyan plover]

Emeruby IS jover

[proud lion]

How long this chat will last? A few weeks?

[tender plank]

won't leave prob

[full bison]

This chat will remain for a while considering it's talking about the upcoming Hoenn game as a whole, we're fine for a few months at minimum

[tender plank]

this is for pif hoenn so even if the beta releases it'll stay for beta discussions

[unkempt kernel]

Probs until PIF Hoenn comes out?

[viscid fossil]

guys this channel is 2 years old

it's not going anywhere

[cyan plover]

Só This one is next

[full bison]

Dragalge and Eelektross gives us so many fun colors to work with

[unkempt kernel]

Eh not the squirrel so idc

[vital spire]

Glad the winners were both Pokémon I gave threes.

[proud lion]

I wish we can see the other team's chatroom

[trail hull]

last of saphire chat

[full bison]

I do kinda wish we got to have votes on what the other teams had as their options, just to see what could have been

[trail hull]

yes I wanted to see what the~~ loosing~~ other teams chat were like

[spiral musk]

we got a lot more messages after frog's but they got slowly removed

[full bison]

Eelektross has always been one of my favorite Mons to use in a B/W/B2/W2 playthrough, so I'm definitely going to have fun with it

[velvet root]

Its pretty much middle

[full bison]

It will also be nice not having to look at Eelektross' garbage tier 3D model to use it in any post-Gen 5 game

3D Eelektross might genuinely be the worst 3D model in the series

[bitter comet]

EELEKTROSS!!!

[prime dust]

bold of you to say when models from the og pokemon stadium are likely far worse

[full bison]

They're at least animated well

Especially for the time

Some of them genuinely look better than some of the 3D models used today

[proud lion]

#1416838892090298398

[outer matrix]

Now asking here: does everyone like the Pokémon that won?

[marble meadow]

bet someone gonna make a cursed tynamo fusion withoutbreaking if tos

[full bison]

Not sure about Sapphire chat, but a lot of Emerubies were mad about another dragon

[bitter comet]

I love Eelektross!
(Dralgae is cool to)

[full bison]

Dragalge just has a fun color palette and design elements. I can't be upset about it getting in

[velvet root]

Dragalge is a big meh for me
The Eel is cool

[outer matrix]

Same

[bitter comet]

(Dralgae isn’t exactly one of my faves, but I still think it’s kind of neat, and might have interesting fusion potential)

[inland jewel]

lfa i called it

[outer matrix]

Dragagagaggagdgigleaurgae is sure an interesting choice

[inland jewel]

also another year of Dragon types added to PIF

[marble meadow]

but will they be in pif hoen only or what

[full bison]

Gastrodon probably has an uphill battle to fight now that people know that it will take up four slots

[tender plank]

wait it's gonna take up 4?

why would it take up 4, aren't west and east the same gameplay wise?

[outer matrix]

Frog said it'll take seperate slots because of aethetics

[tender plank]

damn

[outer matrix]

Like east looks different than west

[tender plank]

so would deerling line be 8 slots?

[full bison]

They have less differences than Dusk Lycanroc, yet they'd get 4 slots while Dusk gets excluded

[outer matrix]

Who knows

Pretty outrageous if deerling-line took up 8 slots though

[tender plank]

2 slots turn to 8

imagine being a deerling fan and trying to justify that

especially if the limited slots returned for some reason

[inland jewel]

i am not a big fan of gastrodon taking up 4 slots

[full bison]

It's just a stupid distinction for two purely aesthetic designs to be forced into separate sprites instead of it letting it be a "spriters discretion" thing

[inland jewel]

like i can understand someone saying. I want to use only gastrodon pink forms, but like, then just request a sprite for them to be pinktrodon

[velvet root]

Why do you all care about theyr slots?

[tender plank]

code wise i kinda get it? since the 2 forms are kinda part of gastrodon's gimmick and idk how you'd get that to work with only 1 slot???
but idk, just seems. unnessesary tbh

[full bison]

It would also mean Gastrodon bodies would be beholden to east and west sea design elements which barely differentiate themselves

[tender plank]

just my thoughts

[proud lion]

#1416845025010126918

[full bison]

Cause we already have huge issues with stuff like Meloetta and Minior having so little sprites shared between their forms, resulting in autogen hell. This would just be that without the justification of the different forms having different stats

[tender plank]

and the other multislot per form mons have reasons to exist
oricorio changes type and allat

[viscid fossil]

wait
does this mean we are actually getting 4,294,967,296 slots for spinda

[velvet root]

Sooner or later it gets sprited

[bitter comet]

[full bison]

It's been almost 3 years and Meloetta still has this issue, and it's extremely noticeable

"eventually" or not, it's still extremely annoying for very long periods of time

[bitter comet]

It’s been almost how many years?

I feel old now

[full bison]

And again, there's no statistical difference between Gastrodon forms, so there's less justification

[velvet root]

Become a spriter and sprite it

[full bison]

Yeah I'll just become a spriter this second then sprite the 500+ Meloetta forms

Amazing solution

[velvet root]

I mean its better than complaining

[full bison]

And it's also better for a problem to never exist at all than create something to complain about

[velvet root]

I dont see a problem
We just have more possibilitys for designes

[full bison]

The possibility still exists without taking up extra slots and leaving double the autogen opportunity. Again, Gastrodon being two slots would make it sprites a simple matter of spriters discretion while minimizing autogen hell

There's no new design opportunities created at all

[velvet root]

There are

[full bison]

If anything, 4 slots for Gastrodon gets rid of design opportunities, as Gastrodon bodies are now strictly beholden to East and West Sea design elements

[velvet root]

Some mons that can be splitt dont bring much to the tabel while others do

I say Gastrodon being split is better than Lycan dusk being added

https://tenor.com/view/shellos-gastrodon-pokemon-gif-14980136174884472279

[full bison]

Again, Gastrodon being split adds nothing. The color palette swap that is both forms still exists for spriters to make as they want. These design elements don't go away if Gastrodon is only 2 slots

[inland jewel]

ill agree to disagree

[velvet root]

Its not just a palette swap

[inland jewel]

Looking up frog's reasoning, it also would be all pink gastordon fusions would be found on the west side of the map while all blue gastrodon fusions would be found on the east

if gastrodon shared the same sprites, it would be hard to do that

it would keep their lore consistent

but like...

unecessary imo

I still find it funny how the two new additions will probably be placed in areas after the place the demo cuts off

like Tynamo is Watson's powerplant place for sure, while Skrelp definitely will show up as a dive grass encounter

[silent acorn]

Yo nice

We got skrelp

[fallen loom]

NGL, what we got were some of my top picks

was still hoping for a Bug type, but we haven't got any Electric Types until now via voting

[rain locust]

I disagree.

add lycandusk so we can have a tough claws user

[fallen loom]

exactly!

we only want Dusk for its Ability

and only one other mon has it and it's fugly

[ancient jasper]

Lowkey want dusk just bc orange is my favorite color so it’s my favorite lycanroc form lol

Gimme the orange dog

[fallen loom]

Dusk should have been in over Midday

[full bison]

I will hear no slander to my boy Barbaracle

[fallen loom]

Barbaracle is more likely to get in after all other Legendaries, Mythicals and Starters than before

[ancient jasper]

Idk about this because it’d feel kinda weird to have midnight without midday since they’re counterparts but yeah dusk definitely should have come with them

[fallen loom]

I hate how Frog called it the Surfing Pikachu equiv despite:

1. Different Abilities
2. Slightly different stat arrangements to Midday
3. Enhanced moveset

[full bison]

I thought for sure that Eelektross had access to Parabolic Charge- cause, you know, it's an electric lamprey- but apparently not. Hopefully the Move Expert rectifies this, cause that's really odd

[proud lion]

I made a Binacle/Zweilous fusion

[fallen loom]

have to wait for Heliolisk

huh, Eelektross gets Flamethrower!

[viscid hull]

I also like that it's an Electric type with Levitate.

[full bison]

Eelektross has a surprisingly diverse movepool

Apparently Gen 9 even gave it Close Combat

[viscid hull]

The only thing I dislike is 39 Levels on the base form, but that's Gen V in a nutshell

[full bison]

It's also got the Gen 3 thing where it has good mixed offenses but only mediocre speed and defenses

Way bulkier than other examples, though

[viscid fossil]

gabite evolving into garchomp before deino evolves into zweilous will always be wild

[ancient jasper]

Yeah and it of course has the funny levitate + pure electric combo

[viscid hull]

I forgot how similar the base stats are to Octilerry

[ancient jasper]

And pawniard evolves into bisharp a single level lower than it takes for cosmoem to evolve into solgaleo or lunala lmao

Unova was truly on something

[viscid hull]

Gen V is my fave, but man those evolution levels.

[ancient jasper]

Honestly the worst part about the evolution levels is the actual games they occur in

It wouldn’t have been nearly as bad if the endgame was high level like xy or scarlet and violet

But the final boss pokemon of black and white, ghetsis’s hydreigon, is only level 54, which is when some mons evolve for the FIRST TIME

I feel like this part of unova’s evolution level issue gets very overlooked but it is a major part of it, you can’t use a decent amount of good mons until the final boss

I feel like this rant strayed away from a pif hoenn discussion lol mb

[full bison]

There's probably some crazy stuff that can be done with Dragalge having Adaptability, but it doesn't really have the best offensive stats

[ancient jasper]

Yeah, not even bst 500 for late 40s evolution level is wild

[fallen loom]

will Eelektross and Skrelp be in IF Hoenn only?

they fit the region

[thin pawn]

I think they'll be added to PIF

[viscid fossil]

the games will have the same pokedex forever

some pokemon will only be standard encounters in one game, but you can get them in the other through transfers or randomizer

[random dragon]

Dusk needs to exist

[summer apex]

the problem with dusk was not anything to do with its stats, moveset, or ability

it was because it would be very difficult to distinguish between midday body fusions and dusk body fusions

[ancient jasper]

Ig that’s true without the orange color actually

You have the midnight hair but that’s kinda it

[summer apex]

one of them had to get cut, and seeing as dusk was an event mon while midday is always avaialble, they picked dusk

[summer apex]

that's assuming the spriter doesn't remove the hair, which is a big ask given that the head is being replaced

[ancient jasper]

Yeah makes sense, in a vacuum I’d much prefer dusk but with midnight there as well it just doesn’t make sense to have it without its counterpart

Between midday and dusk

[proud lion]

#1416926965667201024

[quaint matrix]

You know what

I'm not mad at all they got in

I love my dragon seahorse and levitate eel

[bold trellis]

i am a little confused. is pif hoenn in development still or is it payable? i checked the downloads first before asking here. Sorry i am not keeping up to date here

or is this an expansion to the version we have now?

[thin pawn]

It's in development

Very early stages of development

[bold trellis]

Thank you! i been enjoying the hekk out of the current one. just excited to see more coming!

[thin pawn]

Same here

[flint tiger]

that’s pretty good

[inland jewel]

i personally think going forward all new additions will be PIF Hoenn only

at least to guarentee a find

as mentioned before, all PIF Hoenn mons can still be found in regular PIF via randomizer

black market and wondertrade as well

but man, when frog was saying if a bit more people jumped on to vote, they could have replaced either Dragalge or Eelektross with either Toxicroak or Gastrodon

he wasn't kidding

if like 10-20 more people voted that would have been enough

[quaint matrix]

I wonder if this means like PiF Hoenn will be the one getting constant updates moving forward

Like I know people mention this is a sequel but like does that mean development for the original PiF stops

[inland jewel]

it won't get any heavy updates, but probably bug fixes and qol updates mayhaps

i know the new weather system is def not coming to PIF iirc

[full bison]

Figured some people here would want to see this

[summer apex]

we hate dev info actually

kinda surprised by the voter turnout tbh

Like I understand it's a big server but that still seems a little low

[full bison]

Probably a combination of how little people overall joined any teams and also some people accidentally misspelling their Discord handles

Anyway, it seems like Araquanid is the most likely Sapphire Pokemon to get in if another popularity contest happens sometime in the distant future

[sudden jackal]

Also not many people have event pings on so barely anyone joins the events on the scale they should

[full bison]

The Gumshoos line being at the bottom of both lists is probably the single most expected thing ever. Nobody wants to deal with all the baggage they would bring

[quaint matrix]

Oh damn Araquanid is 4th

Consistently too like the top 2

Maybe the Water Bubble propaganda worked a lot better than I thought

[full bison]

Breaking the game is a very big selling point for a lot of the Pokemon here

[quaint matrix]

EXACTLY

[full bison]

It's why so many people freak out over Azumarill, Slaking, and Shedinja

Araquanid and Archeops are probably the only Pokemon left with that game breaking potential people really wanna see, so that's a big feather in their cap in the future

Other than Serperior with Contrary, but that's not really voteable

[quaint matrix]

Yeah Serperior is like the only viably competitive Contrary mon

So being able to just improve on it would go so hard

(And if Draco Meteor comes to the game like seriously???)

[full bison]

Overheat is already in the game, and that's debatably even better for it

Grass/Fire being the surprisingly amazing type combo that it is

[clear lichen]

I'd probably rather have Overheat over Draco Meteor since I think Grass/Fire is better offensively than Grass/Dragon and Serperior does already have Dragon coverage in Dragon Pulse

[dusty arrow]

serperior/magearna

leaf storm + fleur cannon

[clear lichen]

I feel like offensively Grass/Fairy would definitely be inferior to Grass/Fire

[full bison]

Magearna and Serperior fused would absolutely prefer being Steel/Grass given how cracked Magearna is as a Head and how great that type is defensively. Fleur Cannon would definitely be a great offensive option regardless, all things considered

Really though, I could see Magearna just being banned if it was added. It's already stupidly powerful, and I definitely remember it being banned before

[quaint matrix]

Magearna and Mega Mawile is exactly why Tinkaton's stats are like that lol

[full bison]

Zacian too

[quaint matrix]

Ah yes ZAGcian I forgot about her too

[fallen loom]

I like what we got more

sad that Araquanid got 4th overall, since I put my extra point into it

no-one put their bonus point into Burmy or Yungoos lines

[quaint matrix]

Wormadam line is just too ass and Gumshoos is...

Yeah

[sterile spoke]

Swoobat?

[velvet root]

Whats with it?

[sterile spoke]

Out of all the choices, Swoobat? 😂

[velvet root]

I dont see the problem

Its a cute and fun Mon
Fluffy heart bat

[safe depot]

People really wanna see what can come with custom sprites with it

[sterile spoke]

It's one of the few Pokémon with Klutz as an ability. 🙁

But it is a cute and underrated Pokémon, that's for sure. 🙂

[quaint matrix]

Also it's like

It's got Simple

It's about time we got another Simple mon

[proud lion]

Simipour in Bottom 3

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-fainted-pokemon-exhausted-tired-gif-5429397526437740499

[prime dust]

where it belongs

[prime dust]

less that, more like it would have been nice to vote for something not in the sapphire team pool

like if it had been either a combo of emerald and ruby team mons or the full list, pretty sure the vote would have been different

but sapphire team was mostly water types which kind of discouraged a lot of people

[sudden jackal]

If they got to pick from their own list it would've made the whole competition pointless

[velvet root]

Not really
Sapphire would have won 2 mons cuz of Mudkipster and Emeruby gets 1 mon of the Emeruby list

[hazy sparrow]

Hey is the hoenn demo playable? Anybody have a link to download?

[velvet root]

But nothing we can change
Im sure some are happy with the seahorse
Not me tho

[velvet root]

Not yet

[sterile spoke]

Nope, and there's no release date yet, sorry. 🙁

[fallen loom]

so since Skrelp and Tynamo can be found in ORAS, will they be put in their ORAS locations?

it makes sense to put anything in ORAS in their listed locations over creating new spots for them

[rose bloom]

me tryna figure out what the heck oras is

[wide merlin]

omega ruby and alpha sapphire ?

[full bison]

There's probably going to be a gift Woobat, Tynamo, and Skrelp somewhere in the demo, considering how big a deal all this was.

[inland jewel]

woobat is def a whisur cave or Dewford cave as a wild couter

its gonna evolve by level 20 with those stats

[proud lion]

Justice for the monkis

[safe depot]

Given its worse Golbat. I hope its sooner than it

[clear lichen]

Simply get the Hidden Ability through black magic

(Only for it to somehow still manage to be mediocre at best)

[safe depot]

I mean Simple is an ability they won't give out for a reason

I can imagine with something that actually gives it a SPA boost could be good

But its otherwise gonna be a very low C tier for fusion pokemon

[rose bloom]

Thanks 😂 I'm so out of touch on pokemon gen names its actually ridiculous

[viscid hull]

Glad to see Clawitzer and Toxicroak doing so well in the voting.

[autumn bluff]

finally mega launcher

[thin pawn]

Mega Launcher Kyogre

[full bison]

Drizzle already boosts Origin Pulse by that much, so it's not quite the amazing combo you would expect

Would make for a fun combo with Lucario for base 135 Aura Spheres

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-depressed-gif-18156874

[sterile spoke]

If Remix Mode ends up happening, that's one thing we've been trying to do when possible. 🙂

[quaint matrix]

I just hope the original PiF's remix mode will have them available as well

Route overstuffing be damned

[fallen loom]

if it doesn't maybe just add them in anyway

[sterile spoke]

I think he'll make them easily obtainable, if only because it adds to the newness feeling if there are a bunch of new Pokémon available as fusion material. 😄

Without them, it'd just be the 61 new Hoenn Pokémon (+ Castform's forms), but this would add a bit more variety into the mix. 🙂

[lofty spindle]

You can have Rain and mega Launcher.

[marble meadow]

im ok if its comes out late october or december doing some runs before the new additions

[thin pawn]

I don't think it's coming out this year

[inland jewel]

last week of Dec if lucky is the earliest release date

late Feb is the latest so far

[marble meadow]

as long i have time for the runs i want to start its fine maybe then after those i take a break till new mons are in

[prime dust]

the demo won't have everything from the get go [unless frog plans on adding in randomizer off the bat] since it will be only going to Slateport

if memory serves

[austere pumice]

What is the ETA release?

Of the full game

[rancid nymph]

Soon tm

[thin pawn]

We don't have an ETA

[summer apex]

ETA: when it's ready

[hardy remnant]

What does ETA even mean?

[summer apex]

Estimated Time of Azumarill

[hardy remnant]

Oh, okay.

I keep needing to fix my own spelling mistakes.

[summer apex]

I'm gonna be honest, as long as its legible I just let that shit go

[hardy remnant]

If I let it go it will irritate me for eternity.

[inland jewel]

the last date give was six months- but the they said its delayed- they did not say a date after that- so we are left with- when its ready

that is for demo only though- the full full game with the entirety of hoenn would probably be in 2027

[austere pumice]

Ahh, I was just curious, thanks for the help

[pale sparrow]

I definetly want to make them obtainable, but at the same time I want them to be a lot more prominent in Hoenn IF, so that both games can have a bit of a distinctive personality based on their encounters

Route overstuffing is a really big issue in remix mode at this point tho, it's true

The solution I'm leaning towards right now is to put all the new mons into johto and the sevi islands, since the encounters in those places are not super interesting rn

[pale sparrow]

They were? I thought they were just encounters on those miracle islands? 👀

[full bison]

Not sure about Tynamo, but Skrelp is available in Omega Ruby through DexNav after beating Primal Groudon

Tynamo is a Mirage encounter according to Serebii

[pale sparrow]

Fun fact my omega ruby cartridge just doesn't work anymore

meaning that my ruby cartridge thats like 15 years older survived it lmao

[muted solstice]

Pretty much all my 3ds cartridges no longer work, thankfully I dumped them before that happened so I can still play the games on og hardware.

[pale sparrow]

wtf is wrong with 3ds cartridges

[vital spire]

My Black 2 cart doesn't work anymore, so I guess regular DS carts are weird too.

[proud lion]

Worked on these two #1417665927717195776 #1417673693483634769

[full bison]

Fusions between the Eelektross and Victreebel lines really just line up perfectly, don't they?

[trail hull]

thought I'd share what I found ^

[rose bloom]

Cool

[steel blade]

how do i join a team on the discord

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[steel blade]

ah

[rancid nymph]

The event that the teams were used for has ended

[steel blade]

i see

[gray vine]

or more you dont

[fallen loom]

vote is done and over with

[normal citrus]

Is Pif hoenn on a separate game or like is it like Johoto where you travel there?

[thin pawn]

Seperate game

[normal citrus]

Thx

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/my-deer-friend-nokotan-nokotan-koshitan-dancing-dance-gif-712492189138071330

i still hope shellos and espurr gets in

[rancid nymph]

What am I coping with?

[thin pawn]

shellos and espurr not getting in

[elfin goblet]

its me whos coping

[rancid nymph]

If it makes you feel better, the Pokémon I wanted didn’t get in either

[grave jolt]

No Pachirisu 😔
Oh well, there's always next vote!

[tacit saddle]

LMFAO the reacts

[vale edge]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but regarding the transfering of mon between base PIF and Hoenn PIF, since all mon will be compatible with both versions, does that mean that randomizers will use the entire national dex? Or will the randomized mode only use mon catchable in the version you're playing?

[velvet root]

Nat dex

[vale edge]

Nice, thanks 🙂

[south basin]

I didn't even know team emerald had both bounsweet and petilil lines in it due to being away from discord for a while. I missed both, jeez that hurts

[proud lion]

Yet.

[thin pawn]

ever

[proud lion]

Never say ever

[muted solstice]

Can’t wait for excadrill to be added one day, sand rush on a lot of mons is going to be great

[vocal pivot]

There's sandslash but another sand rusher won't hurt

[full bison]

Also Lycanroc

But that's a different type so Excadrill would definitely still be welcome

[quaint matrix]

Sand Rush this Sand Rush that

Where are my Sand Forces

[full bison]

We actually have a decent amount

Dugtrio, Probopass, Steelix

How usable they are is up for debate, but they're there

Especially since Steelix gets Sheer Force if you wanna run it offensively

[quaint matrix]

Exactly why I'm asking for it

[grave jolt]

I just checked infinite dex and it says steelix doesn't actually get sand force; it's sturdy, rock head, and HA sheer force.

So even worse: it's just probopass and the diglett line

[full bison]

Sand Force on Steelix is apparently a Mega thing. That was my mistake. (Why that ability on a Pokemon that just wants to be a tank?)

[grave jolt]

None of the sand force pokemon actually want to run the ability, mind you.
Garchomp wants to not mega, excadrill wants to use sand rush, diglett and dugtrio want to run arena trap or sand veil, shellos wants to run Storm Drain, Hippowdon wants to use Sand Stream, and Gigalith also wants sand stream.

Now looking at that list, I'd like any of the other users in regardless because they're all great

[full bison]

I'd argue that Dugtrio would be OK using it considering Arena Trap is not that useful for singleplayer and banned in multiplayer

[grave jolt]

Dugtrio can ONLY run sand force in MP, since evasion is banned and it's abilities are Sand veil and arena trap

[muted solstice]

Sand rush steel type tho

Fairy + steel

[grave jolt]

Really dugtrio probably just wants to fuse with someone with a better moveset or ability and eq spam

[grave jolt]

ignore previous messages i thought you said sand force
Excadrill is the only Pokemon that is steel and gets sand rush

The poke you probably want to fuse there is probably Granbul

[full bison]

Steel isn't even really a type you want on a sweeper due to how few types it hits for decent damage.
Sand Rush on a Ground/Fairy type, however, sounds like something that would get banned from Smogon after a week.

[clear lichen]

Excadrill

Excadrill is the answer

[grave jolt]

Ground/Fairy with EQ, High attack, choices for abilities from the abilities sand force, sand rush, and intimidate

[clear lichen]

Best Sand Rusher and Sand Forcer (but tbh Sand Force is mid)

Tbh in a Infinite Fusion context it's probably the best possible Mold Breaker mon as well

[grave jolt]

Regigigas gets mold breaker in IF so idk

160 attack / 100 speed / 110 defenses is speaking to me

That said, regigigas would also enjoy fusion with excadrill

[quaint matrix]

Fairy Excadrill would go so hard

And I'm pretty sure it's Steel/Ground too and because Excadrill is all physical his ass would totally make for obscene Fairy/Ground mons

[clear lichen]

Ah

OK yeah in that case obviously it's Regigigas even if Excadrill has the better type and shit

There's no arguing against 160 Attack, 100 Speed and 110/110/110 bulk for any Pokemon below Ubers

[full bison]

It's Ground/Steel, and with how predominantly brown it is, I imagine Frog would keep it that way.

[quaint matrix]

Ah yes Fairy/Steel Sand Force

[full bison]

If it wants Ground/Fairy, it would be hoping for a good phys Fairy to fuse with. And in terms of those, we have the slow AF Granbull, ability dependant Azumarill, and mid-statted Mimikyu

And Slurpuff too I guess, but it's pretty much only got Belly Drum Unburden going for it

[grave jolt]

I just checked and holy shit granbul has half the speed of excadrill lmao

[safe depot]

If you want a faster Fairy albeit with less attack, the next best option is probably Slurpuff

Or maybe Klefki

Oh wait Mimikyu right

[clear lichen]

All of those Pokemon kinda just have

Subpar stats in every stat

And they all kinda get carried by their abilities

Granbull meanwhile has an actual Attack stat

But is also slow and frail

[safe depot]

I mean

Mimikyu is faster than Excadrill, wouldn't dull the attack that much and has alright defenses

[safe depot]

I'd argue so does Granbull because without Intimidate, He's just an attack stat

[clear lichen]

If you're running Sand Rush, Excadrill's Speed is more than enough

So ultimately, every fusion will just make its stats worse

Ground/Fairy certainly has the advantage when it comes to type coverage

But I feel the need to mention that Play Rough is a garbage move

[torn crane]

Never choose sand rush over mimikyu ability anyway

[safe depot]

You’re probably better off with a bulky Fairy/Ground type like Sylveon/Palossand

Go like Ice/Ground or Fire/Ground with Excadrill instead

Fairy/Ground gets all of the attention. But don’t let that dostract from other amazing Ground combos as well.

Ghost/Ground is also really good

[clear lichen]

The entire conversation stemmed from using a Sand Rush Ground/Fairy type bruh

I'm just trying to keep it to the original context

That said what good physical Ice types are there to fuse to Excadrill

Weavile I guess?

But is that compatible?

Dark/Ice and Ground/Steel, so it should be

As for Fire types, uhhh

Hmm

Also I want to note that in the context of a Sand Rush sweeper, it may actually be a good idea to have a secondary type that can handle Rain team Pokemon that will want to overwrite your Sand

Problem is, Water isn't exactly easy to get a good offensive type against

And then there's the part where they're not gonna be pure Water type

[muted solstice]

Just use another mon at that point

[grave jolt]

Water/Ground itself is a decent combo

[clear lichen]

What other Sand Rushers would there be apart from Excadrill

Like

Sandslash????

Does Sandslash have Sand Rush?

Uhhh

Stoutland

Uhhh

Idk that's about it

Excadrill kinda just is the best Sand Rusher by far

[viscid fossil]

Lycanroc:

[inland jewel]

unironically i've used sand rush lycanroc in showdown, its surprising the amount of things that can outspeed lycanroc

[muted solstice]

Yea and not even sand rush

You can just use like dark ghost ttar fusion

[clear lichen]

I said best Sand Rusher for a reason

[grave jolt]

tbf to Stoutland, it's decent whenever Sand Rush is allowed and Excadrill isn't, but it also really wants to use a pokemon with Sand Stream. It was UU with Hippowpotas in Gen 5/6 until the hippo was banned where it fell to PU in gen 6 due to the hippo rising to OU, and RU with Gigalith in Gen 7.
Stoutland is a good pokemon when it gets sand up, and without excadrill it'd be OU.

[clear lichen]

Except nowadays even Excadrill isn't OU standard so rip bozo lmao

Bro is never gonna see the light of OU

[grave jolt]

Stoutland dropped to untiered after Return was deleted in gen 8, but also PIF only goes to Gen 7 changes anyway 🤷‍♀️

[hardy remnant]

Why was Return deleted in gen 8?

[grave jolt]

Excadrill is just better than Stoutland in every niche that stoutland would find itself in

[grave jolt]

Because it was the single best normal type move in pokemon, with as good power as Earthquake but as a single target move.

[hardy remnant]

I don't like the removal of moves, Return even with that high of power still had the issue of having no Pokemon weak to it and having the issue of multiple types resisting it and a type immune to it.

[grave jolt]

True, but also I seldom use any other normal attacking move in-game since it's just better

[hardy remnant]

Normal is a bit worse than ground offensively.

[hardy remnant]

Only if you have max friendship since that is the requirement if you want max power.

[grave jolt]

Also so many pokemon learn Return that Bulbapedia lists the pokemon who can't learn it

[hardy remnant]

Average playthroughs won't have Return.

So it's mainly used in competitive Pokemon.

[grave jolt]

Tbf Strength is a better move until 200 friendship, and Frustration is available from the beginning of the game and is better until 127 friendship.
That said, When you get return ingame (after sabrina) you probably have a pokemon with high enough friendship to use it.

[hardy remnant]

Yeah.

I personally don't use normal type moves much.

[inland jewel]

Dexit

Gamefreak decided there was WAY to many moves

and Return just so happens that they didn't want to do with friendship mechanics anymore

[grave jolt]

And removed all the good ones 😔

[inland jewel]

since Frusteration also got nuked

[full bison]

I'm still upset about Pursuit in particular

[inland jewel]

never punished ghost types, especially with the type changes so that steel doesn't resist ghost anymore

[hardy remnant]

I don't like the fact they removed so many moves when the moves were fine.

[inland jewel]

its more so they can spend less time coding/making animations for those moves

nevermind they could just reuse the old ones

[grave jolt]

Nah, they spend their time making worse animations

[hardy remnant]

This is exactly why I don't like it, they could always use the previous animations.

[sudden jackal]

Say that to my return unfezent I used all of pokemon black gave that Boi the soothe bell asap and he held it until I got the sharp beak to boost its fly

[inland jewel]

i remember the fiasco of Dubwool, Headbutt had it turn around and use its hind legs while double kick had Dubwool headbutting the mon

[hardy remnant]

I should've specified that most wouldn't have Return.

[clear lichen]

Because Gamefreak is stupid

[weak trellis]

some things you just have to accept with this series lol

GF putting all of their stat points into marketing being one of em rofl

[clear lichen]

I still question every day why Supercell Slam

Is a JUMP KICK clone

[hardy remnant]

I have been pinged 3 times for the same message, and I won't be responding.

[clear lichen]

WHEN JUMP KICK DOESN'T EVEN EXIST IN GEN 9

[hardy remnant]

Game Freak often does questionable decisions.

[full bison]

Gamefreak clearly doesn't want physical Electric Pokemon to be good unless they're adjacent to The Rat. I've come to terms with that.

Zeraora is so far the only one to escape this fate

[sudden jackal]

Well my lovey Dovey definitely deserves return

[sudden jackal]

I would fix so much about Pokemon if I were in-charge

[clear lichen]

Zekrom:

[viscid fossil]

yeah but then they gaslight you into thinking black kyerum is better

[safe depot]

Honestly I wanted to despute this but if you ignore Legendaries, Its not entirely wrong.

Most good non-legendary electric types are usually good for others reason (Magnet Pull) rather than being the mon themselves.

Hell if there wasn't Hidden power, I doubt the type would've had any use in OU outside of the occasional Zapdos.

Like even Mega Manectric was barely OU in Gen 6, with 135 SpA and Spd AND Intimidate with Pivoting.

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say electric doesn't have any issues on the special side it's more the phyical side that timmy's complaining about because there's thunderpunch (75), zing zap (80, exclusive to prickly pokemon), wild charge (90 with recoil), supercell slam (100 as a jump kick clone) and volt tackle (120, exclusive to pikachu/raichu) outside of legend-specific moves

but I can see them not doing overly well since yea most of them are built like raichu in terms of having high speed and special attack (and optionally attack) but mediocre-at-best defenses outside of the afermentioned zapdos still hitting par with em

actualy now I'm wondering is electric actually the frailest type if you put every electric's stats into a blender

(which is odd since in terms of actual resistances it's sitting very pretty at a 3/1 ratio, shame that 1 is Earthquake)

[median fox]

Iron hands electronically laughs in distance

[weak trellis]

even iron hands has to choose between thunderpunch, wild charge, and supercell slam

though with an HP stat of 154 it doesn't quite mind wild charge's recoil as much as most electrics do

[safe depot]

Iron Hands is one of those good inspite of their type

[weak trellis]

hm bulb only has the raw stats, I'm not sure if these are counting legends since I'm expecting dragon and flying to both be very inflated if they are lol

going by those stats the 3 frailest types are... normal, flying, and yes, electric in that order

though out of those 3, only electric also had a bottom 3 HP stat but it also had bottom 3 in all 3 factors of bulk

guess normal's bulk was pretty heavily deflated by all of the earlygame rattata-likes

[inland jewel]

bug is not bottom 3?

wow

then again, bug is chock full of defensive types fused with Rock and Steel

[slim otter]

Bug is an okay type, but it's given to a lot of pokemon with low bst

[inland jewel]

yeah but on a chart showcasing which types are the frailest, Bug isn't bottom 3

[weak trellis]

for overall BST I think it was bottom 3

checks* the bottom actually, with normal as second worst and electric as third worst for BST

as you can probably guess dragon was far and away the winner there, with psychic in second and steel in 3rd

[inland jewel]

yeah but going off defensive stats only

surprising since psychic is just like the worst type objectively

[weak trellis]

oh defenses yea bug did have the worst overall HP

psychic really wishes it was gen 1 back when it basically had the role that Ghost does now

[inland jewel]

back when psychic was apparently immune to ghost due to a bug

[weak trellis]

not that it mattered since that only affected one move which was... lick

since some types just basically didn't have STAB (or actually didn't have STAB at all in dragon's case) back then

it feels like out of gen 1's types a third of them exist pretty much just in a defensive sense