pif-hoenn-discussion

[inland jewel]

its not gonna happen

[proud lion]

Kyurem? Zorua? Power of One?

[inland jewel]

but the bait woud be so real

[full bison]

Volcanion and the mechanical something or other could work as a double reveal

Forgot the name since I dropped the anime after Tobias

[proud lion]

What if Pokémon 2000?

[bitter comet]

They giving it a mega

[shadow kiln]

The first Mega, Terastalizable and Gygantamaxable mon in pif

[inland jewel]

giving spriters time to catch up

if they release the update tomorrow then there won't be any Luvdisc or Diancie fusions in the game

[bitter comet]

And it’s the only one of those things we were getting

[shadow kiln]

I mean, do you need any other mon after Megaluvdisc?

[bitter comet]

Heck at this point and turn the entire entire dex of Pokémon into different forms of luvdisc

[shadow kiln]

Mono self-fusion luvdisc runs and nothing else from the update onwards for me

[steel meadow]

Pretty sure diancie has more sprites than like.... hakamo-o

[inland jewel]

low blow to go for a middle stage mon, the most notorious for having low sprite counts

hakomo-o has more sprites than Quilladin iirc

[steel meadow]

well diancie comfortably has double of theirs cuz ribbon exists

it also has more than kommo-o tbf

[inland jewel]

only by like 20

[west sonnet]

Monferno is one of the least sprited mons

[steel meadow]

yeah but kommo-o got announced first

[inland jewel]

and how many of those diancies were converted from Carbink?

[west sonnet]

Not many lmao

[inland jewel]

Diancie has more than Greninja

[proud lion]

How would you feel if the next movie event (no IF hints) was Swords of Justice?

[steel meadow]

knowing that like 120 of them are ribbon sprites id say not many (old sheet btw)

[steel meadow]

i havent participated in any of them so i wouldnt mind

[full bison]

The Swords of Justice would certainly be additions to the game

[steel meadow]

oh wait has movie events given us reveals?

[full bison]

I wouldn't be upset about it, but they're some of the most "just there" legendary Pokemon ever

[inland jewel]

only like 2 out of the 8 movies

[steel meadow]

then i will definetly mind, i do not like the sword of justice

theyre not djinnis bad but theyre definetly up there

[inland jewel]

id vibe with Virizion or Coballion

not Keldeo though

[full bison]

When I'm in a completely superfluous extra form competition and my opponent is Keldeo:

[steel meadow]

When I'm Swedish and has never seen the word superflous before:

[inland jewel]

people are convinced its gonna take up 2 slots, even though its only an art change and no other discernable reason why it would take up 2 slots

[full bison]

Having 2 slots open and teasing a Keldeo reveal would be an interesting way to lead up to another troll reveal

"we're adding Basculin! and also Keldeo I guess."

[inland jewel]

id rather not have the headache of people being reaffirmed that it would be 2 slots

like they are also convinced that frillish and jellicent are gonna take up 4

[steel meadow]

Yeah i cant see that happening

Same for Gastrodon

[inland jewel]

yeah no matter how much we explain its only cosmetic for mons like that since only the sprite changes if its male or female. unlike Meowstic or Indeedee

[full bison]

The only really superfluous form I'd like to see get an additional slot is Cherrim cause you can do interesting things with both Overcast and Sunny forms, but I could see it being only 1 form as well and wouldn't be too upset

[steel meadow]

Encouraging color alts would be enough for Gastrodon and Jellicent

[inland jewel]

that what the game is doing for Minior

and when pointed that out they ignored it

[steel meadow]

I mean imagine like 9 slot Minior

For all the colors

Theyd have like 20 sprites each

[inland jewel]

if each core form was a different type for the core then sure

[full bison]

The sad thing about forms is that because of the stat and type difference, Wormadam will most likely be 3 slots

3 slots dedicated to identical designs

[inland jewel]

5, due to having mothim and burmy

[steel meadow]

Thats why Wormadam will not get in for a long time i think

[quaint matrix]

Ah yes

Because of how many forms they have

[steel meadow]

which like, good. i dont like it

[quaint matrix]

Not because of any other factors

[steel meadow]

i mean i couldve seen it be a troll mon

but its a expensive troll mon at 5

[quaint matrix]

See I just don't believe anyone would like that

Even as a troll choice

[full bison]

Troll mons definitely cap out at 2 slots for mons like Volbeat and Illumise

[quaint matrix]

Like when Luvdisc was "#500" there was a lot of wailing and actual anger but like

Yknow there's reasonability with why it's a thing in aesthetics and form and just so many ideas

[steel meadow]

im so sad i slept through it

[quaint matrix]

If the Burmy line ever get in and wastes like 8 slots all by themselves at all no one is happy

[full bison]

If we do get Volbeat and Illumise as Troll additions, I would hope it's after we get stuff like Xurkitree or Manaphy so Tail Glow isn't locked behind a shitmon

[inland jewel]

burmy itself is only one slot

[quaint matrix]

Oh huh I was thinking it works similarly to Wormadam

[inland jewel]

it only gains type as wormadam so for burmy its cosmetic like Frillish

[quaint matrix]

Either way it's still a total waste and absolutely no one will be happy

Not the spriters not the people actually playing not the theorycrafters not even the niche Showdown players

[full bison]

I would feel so bad for the spriters tasked with trying to differentiate the body sprites of Wormadam Sandy with Wormadam Trashy

[inland jewel]

funny fact about wormadam

if its added it'll make an ability not HA only anymore

[quaint matrix]

Me when I rationalize my reasons for Beedrill Run: "they got Vespiquen moves"

[inland jewel]

and makes it available to all common fusions, no need to HA hunt

[quaint matrix]

Or yknow just add the Croagunk line

[full bison]

Is Anticipation really worth it though?

[inland jewel]

bug/steel tank with anticipation so you know you have to switch out

but otherwise stall wall

[quaint matrix]

Or Poison/Dark Toxicroak

Idk

[full bison]

How about we get Muuna for slightly better Anticipation?

[inland jewel]

i wish Munna was added

[quaint matrix]

Munna line doesn't have Anticipation

[inland jewel]

if not for the Psychic update i'd rant about the lack of psychic types

[quaint matrix]

It'd be an IF Special

Psychic update?

[inland jewel]

yeah they were saying that Forewarn is better Anticipation

[full bison]

I already have a Musharna/Salamence fusion in my head where the dream mist from the head trails back and forms the wings, cause it was always Bagon's dream to fly

[inland jewel]

the update that added Meloetta also added Cresselia nad Bruxish

all of them Psychic types

[quaint matrix]

I mean we technically have Hypno and Jynx already for Forewarn

[full bison]

But those are Hypno and Jynx, so...

[quaint matrix]

Someone's not a Mope7-head smh

[inland jewel]

comparing stats, Musharna is bulkier on average, but they all have around the same spDef

Musharna is the slowest of the trio but has the most health

[quaint matrix]

Speaking of Psychic fuck what's happening to that type

Deadest of deadweight types only carried by the fact so many Uber-tier Pokemon has it by legacy

[full bison]

It was once OP and Gamefreak is terrified of it becoming OP again so is compensating by making it garbage

Should have been Super Effective against Fairy, said it before and will say it again

[quaint matrix]

That's for Normal

Psychic should resist Fairy tho that'd been better

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/cryogonal-cry-about-it-pokemon-cryogonal-about-it-gif-8982074869133840720

[quaint matrix]

Although honestly Ghost and Water are the more insane types rn

[west sonnet]

Idk Psychic is a good move

And sos Psycho Cut

It’s fine

they’re fine

[full bison]

Cryogonal would be the based addition

[quaint matrix]

I mean Bug also has U-Turn and Bug Buzz

Doesn't mean the type isn't poopoo

[full bison]

We need more fastish ice types and cryogonal is basically our only option

[inland jewel]

its the fastests out of the batch not in

compared to how fast it is, its tied with Froslass and is outsped by Weaville

it just has more bulk and htis harder than Froslass abd weaville

[full bison]

Can we discuss the fact that Fairy is a type that was introduced halfway through the series current lifetime and it still has more reps than Ice types?

And most Ice types are trash?

And there's like 3 Ice types that aren't either trash or overpowered in total?

[quaint matrix]

Tbf rn Ice is eating great

Snow is actually worth a damn as a weather, there's a lot of top-tier Ice Pokemon putting in work in competitive formats (both)

[inland jewel]

thats mostly due to how they did the super effective/weaknesses for it

making it a terrible defensive type and ONLY making slow mons

[quaint matrix]

GameFreak stopped being a goof-ass for 2 seconds and make Ice Pokemon make use of it being Ice (speed demon aggressive creatures) and surprise they're fucking amazing

The big issue is that for the past 8 Gens anything resembling that design process is anomalous (Weavile/Mamoswine), and everything else is GameFreak still thinking "yeah slow bulky tank...wait wall...Ice Pokemons are the way"

[full bison]

Even post Gen 8 gave us stuff like Cetitan, Frosmoth, and Hisuian Avalugg, so it's not all sunshine nowadays

Frosmoth especially hurts

[inland jewel]

how much is its special defense?

ah, base 65 speed

[full bison]

90 before Frozen Scales

[inland jewel]

imagine if Cryogonal had ice scales

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that's why i said the past 8 Gens

[inland jewel]

isnt there 9 generations or was gen 1 ice types actually good?

[quaint matrix]

I'm including Gen 1 in this tbh

But that was more excusable back then because all the Ice types are just basically like Rock types (joined in the hip with another type)

And Jynx exists but it was Gen 1 Psychic so honestly the Ice types in that gen was successful

Plus 90% accuracy Blizzard was crazy as hell

Little by little Ice's weaknesses really shows and Gen 7-8 was kinda the peak of it imo

Hail continues to be dogshit, the only good Ice-types are basically Legendaries (and they're good in spite of being Ice) or Weavile/Mamoswine, etc

[inland jewel]

they really saw Jynx be successful and thought she was the problem

and psychic and ice suffered since

[full bison]

I can't get over how Frosmoth was visually designed to look like the next Volcarona only to be so agonizingly slow on a type combo that absolutely can't afford that

[inland jewel]

ability that protects it from special moves against what rock type special attack?

[quaint matrix]

Uh duh Fire?

Yknow

The famous hazard move Stealth Flames

[inland jewel]

me when i flare blitz to face

[quaint matrix]

Also lmao the next Volcarona

[full bison]

I honestly don't think there's too many relevant special attacking Fire types that can't still OHKO Frosmoth with a Flamethrower

[quaint matrix]

With this bitch ass bulk ain't no way

[west sonnet]

It’s funny you say that bc like

[quaint matrix]

Okay Volcarona also has bad (phsyical) defensive bulk but like

[west sonnet]

1. Most moth pokemon are terrible

[quaint matrix]

It's fast??????

[west sonnet]

2. Frosmoth is like the second best one objectively

[quaint matrix]

Also imagine just deciding on a whim to swap out Volcarona's attack and defense for Frosmoth's stat distribution?

[inland jewel]

isn't it also base 540 or something?

[quaint matrix]

Oh yeah 65 Attack was really the clincher

Yeah that too

It has a little more HP and is more blazing fast (100 Speed)

[west sonnet]

Like Frosmoth is competing with the likes of Mothim and Masquerain

[quaint matrix]

Clearly Volcarona was a mistake guys so on our next Volcarona, this Bug/Ice? Give that bitch 60 Speed

[west sonnet]

I love moth pokemon but they’re not like, good

[quaint matrix]

Anyway Ice is eating good rn but if GameFreak is gonna relapse and gonna keep rehashing the Avalugg special (or god forbid the Hisuian extra)

The least they could do is make Ice resists Water

[outer matrix]

would you rather: have a glass cannon ice type or a bulky ice type?

[full bison]

Glass cannon, as long as it has ok speed

Bulky ice types barely take hits to begin with, bulk is wasted on the type

[quaint matrix]

I will say I meme on Avalugg a lot but like

For what its worth in the lower tiers where it hangs Avalugg does do its job

Like it actually does work in ZU which doesn't say much but at the same time it is one of the best walls of ZU

And even is a niche/occassional pick on PU and OU

That cannot be said for the Hisuian version absolutely everyone knew its dog from day one and it remains dog

(Then again that Kalosian Avalugg assessment was back when I still played comp until Gen 7 maybe even original recipe Avalugg is dog nowadays?)

[outer matrix]

Rock/Ice is a great type combo am I right?

[full bison]

Rock/Ice would be so fun on something fast, not on a """""tanky""""" Pokemon

[quaint matrix]

Yeah like imagine Weavile but Rock/Ice

They would rule at worst UU if they're like as competently made as the gen 9 Ice Pokemons

[void flume]

Would so love to see Elgyem/Beheeyem for gleeby deeby alien fusions but I know that there's an imbalance toward psychic types already

[hot hamlet]

Ikr?

[quaint matrix]

Hot take(?),: It would've been so fucking sick if the Elgyem line is Dark/Psychic

Like it's dex entries are all about it being a mind control/brainwasher Pokemon who just bamboozled everyone trying to mess it up

Sometimes even control people/other Pokemons to just do it's bidding and stuff

Dark would've made it stood out more instead of it being pure Psychic

[full bison]

Beheeyem should get an evolution. It's such a cool concept but it's just nothing of interest as it stands right now.

[outer matrix]

it could use one tbh

[full bison]

It has an amazing SpAttack, but also it first appears in the same area as the Litwick line which I find hilarious

"oh, you're a special attacker? Well that candle over there will soon become the special attacker!

I think Chandelure is straight up better in almost every stat, no less

[hot hamlet]

How would you visually upgrade the epitome of the 50’s trench coat alien?

With “War Of The Worlds” faces for hands?

And a naming scheme based on 50’s alien acronyms?

[rain locust]

beheeyem with a two above it

[outer matrix]

beheeyem evo taking a giygas route

[cedar path]

by going for what people think hyper futuristic aliens would be

[quaint matrix]

Arieeyem

(As in the band R.E.M )

[hot hamlet]

[quaint matrix]

Or they turned into more archetypal gray like the gray man

[inland jewel]

tall gray man

[quaint matrix]

Teegeeyem idk

That's the alien naming right

Like little green men into whatever BEM is into tall gray man

[inland jewel]

yeah

[quaint matrix]

Yeah there ya go there's a potential

[hot hamlet]

LGM (Little Green Men) BEM (Bug Eyed Monster)
Both classic 50’s alien classifications.

Beheeyem’s body mimics the classic 50’s “alien in a trench coat” disguise.

They have the faces from the original War of the Worlds as their fingers

Maybe make the third a traditional MIB?

[quaint matrix]

Emaiebee

Maybe turn it into a Psychic/Bug too because haha bee

[void flume]

I did have some fun with a goofy power herb meteor beam set on Beheeyem in a trick room team once

[hot hamlet]

https://bogleech.com/pokemon/p605elgyem
oh right, the flashing, hypnotic hands already have an MIB connection

[alpine rune]

God let there be Tapus

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hoopa-gif-20243481

imagine what Horror a Gengar fused with hoopa unbound

it will create

[ripe wigeon]

Although it's not a fusion with Gengar, Mammuth has sprited some very epic fusion artworks of Hoopa-unbound.

[velvet root]

Man I hope you play my fangame when we finish it

[civic harness]

What fangame?

[velvet root]

One that isnt finished yet

[coral axle]

God I adore hoopa unbound

[trail hull]

You’re making a fan game 👀

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-yes-sir-salute-gif-14377424389929728027

[trail hull]

Wow

[alpine rune]

idk if i should make a tapu propaganda

It's not funny when you cant vote anymore

[wide merlin]

maybe with the tapu, can come new island from alola for search them like genesect with unova

[alpine rune]

Yea but imo that wouldnt be interesting

then again idk how to code

How about roaming event legends idk

Like you trigger an event and then make them roam the 3 regions we have currently

[eager jungle]

it's a hell

[alpine rune]

i think that would be interesting

[alpine rune]

Yea i dont wanna sound like im demanding something

I just wanna share my thoughts cuz it'll be cool

Like Bulu can roam around Johto, Koko and Lele can roam around Kanto and Fini can roam around Sevii

We have the weather report/tracker so make it sound like "theres an overgrowth on insert route (grassy surge)" and "there's an oversurge of magnetism on insert route (electric surge)"

man i want surge abilities

[eager jungle]

aren't there like 4 tapu ?

[alpine rune]

yes

Bulu Koko Lele and Fini

[eager jungle]

oh, i missed the "koko and" in your message

[alpine rune]

I mean theres only 3 regions and currently Kanto has no roaming legends, so i just put koko and lele in kanto

Johto has the uhh

[eager jungle]

maybe they could be fused also

[alpine rune]

That'll be fine too

[eager jungle]

like tapu/lele and bulu/fini

[wraith imp]

Still can't believe the game already has over 250.000 Pokémon (with fusions)

[full bison]

The fact that the Tapus would most likely be postgame is kinda upsetting considering that would really limit team building considering there aren't any other options there

[unique flame]

is ther any mon up to alola that set terrain outside the tapus

[full bison]

The only other Surge setters are Rillaboom, Pincurchin, Indeedee, and I forgot the Mist one

[viscid fossil]

Everyone forgetting that terrains were added in gen 6 and didn't get abilities until later

[full bison]

But they're all Gen 8

[full bison]

And nobody used them then because it takes up a moveslot

[clear lichen]

G-Weezing, right?

G-Weezing is a pretty decent Pokemon tbf

But it's definitely not because of the terrain whose most notable factor is disabling status effects

When you're immune to Poison and want to spread Poison/Burn

G-Weezing most often uses Levitate in Singles, and I'd assume its most important usage in Doubles is Neutralising Gas alongside a Pokemon with a drawback ability like Slaking or Regigigas

Ironically, Misty Surge on Geezing is the type of ability you'd want to remove with Ngas

[unique flame]

galar + regional form so double no for him

[clear lichen]

Exactly

All of the non Tapu Terrain ability mons are from Gen 8

[eager jungle]

is this a monthy python reference ?

[unique flame]

i want florges so i can fuse with a grass type and make it imune to status

[full bison]

And unless Frog gives Diancie Misty Surge, which I don't really see happening considering it's a Mythical, I don't see what Pokemon would be given it considering there's no other Fairy types with only one ability

[eager jungle]

toxik : hello there

[clear lichen]

Idk if I should say its ironic or unironic that Misty Surge on Geezing would be better to remove with Neutralising Gas

[inland jewel]

Just saying, the only reason why Delibird has Snow Warning is due to someone making a suggestion in #game-suggestions
To change one of its two identical abilities to something we don’t have in game

[unique flame]

does it go throw?

[clear lichen]

On one hand, the fact that it is bad enough to be better gone is unironic, since G-Weezing wants Will-O-Wisp or Toxic or something

On the other hand, it's ironic that a way to remove said ability is one of its own

[eager jungle]

if the fusion isn't part steel or poison, yes

[sullen elbow]

And I think i've seen regular weezing used more in doubles for some reason

[unique flame]

bulbapedia says nothing about toxic

[clear lichen]

Is that Flower Veil?

[clear lichen]

Toxic is a status condition

[unique flame]

correct

[clear lichen]

Status condition refers to Poison, Badly Poisoned(Toxic), Burn, Freeze, Sleep, Paralysis etc

[unique flame]

thats what im saying you get imune to toxis

[inland jewel]

while galarian gets 2 additional resists, it gains another weakness from a common attacking type

[eager jungle]

single or double ?

[clear lichen]

Ah I see

[eager jungle]

'cause if it's single, it might not work

[clear lichen]

It does say Ally Pokemon

And not all Pokemon on your side

[unique flame]

if she become grass it apply to her

[eager jungle]

she's not an ally, she's herself

[unique flame]

it works with tera

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure there's multiple abilities that have similar phrasing that don't work in singles

[unique flame]

if she tera herself

[sullen elbow]

Revavroom fairy

[clear lichen]

Yeah, Stonjourner doesn't affect itself with Power Spot

[eager jungle]

best way to test : someone open showdown, test, come back

[clear lichen]

Based on the phrasing on Smogon, Flower Veil should affect the user

"Grass-type Pokemon on this Pokemon's side cannot have their stat stages lowered by other Pokemon or have a non-volatile status condition inflicted on them by other Pokemon."

Note that it says "On this Pokemon's side" and not something about allies

"This Pokemon's allies have the power of their moves multiplied by 1.3. This affects Doom Desire and Future Sight, even if the user is not on the field."

Power Spot for reference

Also note it specifies non volatile statuses

[alpine rune]

Tapus are gen 7 so

Yea I mean there's no expanding force but like for defensive reasons, it's still usable

[clear lichen]

Which refers only to the status conditions that can't be active at the same time

AKA all the ones I already mentioned

[unique flame]

is florges tera grass not enough of a proof it works?

[eager jungle]

trick toxic orb, or just mold breaker

[clear lichen]

TLDR: Flower Veil should affect anyone on your side of the field

As long as they're a Grass type

And your Flower Veil mon is out

Lmao

[unique flame]

but toxic orb will poison even if its an ally grass

[clear lichen]

Immunity to Poison, Bad Poison, Burn, Paralysis, Freeze, and Sleep as well as stat drops is pretty good

[eager jungle]

i'm saying way to bypass

[clear lichen]

But yeah, judging by the phrasing "by other Pokemon," Toxic Orb should work

[eager jungle]

because yeah, orb (toxik or flame) work

bulbapedia

[clear lichen]

Not many Pokemon would willingly run Toxic or Flame orb though

[eager jungle]

gliscor poison heal trick

[clear lichen]

Idt Gliscor learns Trick

[eager jungle]

fusion

[clear lichen]

You could fuse it to a mon with Trick yeah

[eager jungle]

open a whole lot of possibilities

[clear lichen]

What mons learn Trick?

[empty pendant]

Breloom also does poison heal

[clear lichen]

True

I was gonna say, all Poison Heal, Guts, Poison Boost and Flare Boost mons

That said, the latter 2 are signature abilities

[eager jungle]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/moves/trick/

[clear lichen]

One for Zangoose, one for... Drifblim?

Melo-P/Gliscor SD Poison Heal Facade sweeper with Trick for Florges/Grass Type with Flower Veil real not clickbait

Damn, we turned Gliscor into a route 1 bird

Normal/Flying gg

Trick+Facade+Acrobatics+Fling guys fr

Fling isn't for Toxic Orb you need to trick that

You Fling their item

This is the most stupid dysfunctional thing I've ever come up with

[ember bear]

why not just fling the toxic orb

[clear lichen]

Because of Flower Veil duh

[ember bear]

huh

[clear lichen]

... Wait, would Fling work?

Flower Veil protects grass types on the user's side from being Poisoned by other Pokemon

[ember bear]

fling and then acrobatics then

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure if Fling+Toxic Orb counts as other Pokemon

But I'm betting it does

[ember bear]

why even bother with trick

[clear lichen]

For the shitpost

Realistically you just use any respectable physical move that hits Fairy/Grass for SE

And then it crumples into the floor

[unique flame]

wait those nuzzle goes throw flower veil(it goes throw good as gold but the wording is diferent)

[clear lichen]

It should not

Good as Gold protects the user from all Status moves

But not all statis effects

[unique flame]

so fling will not poison it

[clear lichen]

For example, Defog does not work against Gholdengo

[unique flame]

just trick

[ember bear]

(it's a steel type anyway)

[unique flame]

i mean the hypotetical grass fairy florges fusion

[clear lichen]

Neither would Taunt, Encore, or any of those great status moves

[ember bear]

well flower veil and good as gold work differently

[clear lichen]

However, Status moves that don't specifically target Gholdengo work

[ember bear]

good as gold only protects against status moves

[unique flame]

btw what you showdown people thin would the best non-legendary mon to fuse with florges

[ember bear]

not secondary effects from attacks

[clear lichen]

Good As Gold though is far better than Flower Veil

Simply because it fucking blocks Defog

[eager jungle]

metagross probably or something like this

[unique flame]

ok a grass one

[clear lichen]

Ferrothorn, but then use the Steel type

[eager jungle]

parasect for cursed sprite

[full bison]

Kinda crazy how Gamefreak accidentally created the perfect spin blocker when they made Ghold

[clear lichen]

Technically still using a Grass type for the fusion :)

[unique flame]

eff flower veil i guess

[clear lichen]

Grass/Fairy isn't a great defensive type

Florges has low Physical bulk

[unique flame]

scrappy rapid spin mon when

[clear lichen]

Is it lower than Blissey? Far lower HP but far higher Defence

I dunno

[ember bear]

i swear i remember people using mold breaker or something for gholdengo

[clear lichen]

Hawlucha with Mold Breaker Defog 🔥

[ember bear]

right

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure Mold Breaker Hawlucha was only a meme

Idt it saw much high ladder usage

I could be an idiot though

[unique flame]

i hate gholdengo so much that for a brief period of time a run nuzzle in my smeargle for pure spite

in reg h

[full bison]

I feel like if Gholdengo was allowed in IF, it would be in a Ferrothorn situation where fusion would more often than not leave it a worse Pokemon

[clear lichen]

Simply too good, it's so over

[full bison]

Steel/Ghost with Good as Gold just does so much

[west sonnet]

The only thing I’d really imagine is fusing it with a ghost or steel type with higher BST

[finite reef]

You could fuse it with Jirachi to give it U-Turn and Stealth Rock

[west sonnet]

Giratina or Metagross numbers and moveset

[finite reef]

Gholdengo/Clefable as a steel/fairy

[weak trellis]

but then you ability clash with clefable's magic guard

[west sonnet]

Bst loss, Zacian

[sand mica]

Why didn't you keep Luvdisc as 500?

That makes no sense.

[alpine rune]

explain?

[sand mica]

It was 500 at first when it was revealed.

[eager jungle]

[sand mica]

Diancie should have been 501

[eager jungle]

nope

[alpine rune]

No like, explain how it doesnt make sense

[eager jungle]

420 : stunfisk
470 : bruxish
501 : luvdisk

every last pokémon = troll fish

[alpine rune]

why is 500 so relevant to a nothing fish

[sand mica]

Because they swapped Diancie's and Luvdisc's numbers!

[eager jungle]

yeah, during the first reveal

[sand mica]

It's supposed to be 500 for Luvdisc, that is what they revealed it as.

[eager jungle]

diancie always was 500

[sand mica]

???

[alpine rune]

I mean its not the first time where a reveal has later pokedex numbers

And uhh

[eager jungle]

also

it was a troll

[alpine rune]

Luvdisc deserves 501 is all im saying

[eager jungle]

[sand mica]

It isn't?

It is right?

[alpine rune]

nope

[eager jungle]

ultra necrozma was 450_1 for a while

[alpine rune]

It's not the first time

[sand mica]

Then what was the first one?

[alpine rune]

IIRC 495-497 was revealed before 493-494

So the pokedex numbers tells you nothing about the pokemon

[eager jungle]

plus, again

[deft obsidian]

Isn't bruxish 469?

[eager jungle]

the reveal was a troll

[alpine rune]

Heck, frog could just announce pokedex no 700 and we wouldnt be none the wiser

[eager jungle]

true, 470 is UN

[gray vine]

stop it, stop fueling the pokemon players cant read stereotype

[brittle crow]

your next reply is "ohh I didn't see that"

[civic harness]

Good job evil grey face

[clear lichen]

I cant read

But I think that's because I'm an Undertale fan

And not because I'm a Pokemon fan

Point is, a lot of fanbases are illiterate

[civic harness]

Some examples of this?

I want to see

[clear lichen]

The 2 I just mentioned

Just about every manga in existence

[civic harness]

Another

[clear lichen]

I'll give a special shoutout to JJK and Dragon Ball though

Those mfs are even more illiterate than Pokemon fans

Well, either illiterate or making shit up to support their agenda

Or both

[gray vine]

the game thats all reliant on dialouge?

[clear lichen]

You would find the number of people who just know jack shit about the game's lore simply because they didn't read it

Is high

Sans may be the most misunderstood character on the Internet

[civic harness]

And why do you think that? Gramatic errors? Lack of intensive reading?

[rain locust]

san unertale

[clear lichen]

I dunno

I joked about being illiterate but realistically even my dumb ass is better at reading than most of those people

[gray vine]

more like sans

[clear lichen]

Sand inert ale

[rain locust]

this is the real sans ppl misinterpret

[civic harness]

I know but oh well, just be careful because maybe you can just break any rule by any not too funny joke

[clear lichen]

Dw I actually read those

Whether I remember them on the other hand...

(Dw I probably do)

(And can also literally just check if I'm unsure if what I'm saying doesn't break rules)

That said you have no idea how many times I broke rule 3, realised 0.1 seconds later, than deleted the message after going "wait shit can't do that"

I am still not used to not being allowed to publicly hate myself

[brittle crow]

haha yeah

will the next beta update be with the new mons, then main ver

or will it likely just go directly to main

like beta3 or w/e

[gray vine]

i would think the beta was to test the clothing

the mons are just an extra

[trail hull]

The beta was a test to clothes , the sprite repo as well as letting us try out some of the new mons

[molten loom]

Nah it has more than that

[full bison]

I just hope the final update has a Liquidation Tutor or other means of getting Physical Water moves more widely available. No, Crabhammer isn't enough, it's only available on a select few mons

[cedar path]

waterfall?

[full bison]

Postgame exclusive right now

[cedar path]

ah

[west sonnet]

Unless you fuse with seaking

[stoic canopy]

It’s weird that despite water having quite a few physical attkers (or at least ones that want to use there phy attk rather then spl attk) there’s only 3 physical moves worth a damn.

[full bison]

I'd say it's more like 6

Waterfall, Liquidation, Crabhammer, Aqua Jet, Razor Shell, Flip Turn

[sweet spoke]

why do we have so few pivot moves, anyway?

[stoic canopy]

That still feels too low, especially when bubble and water gun are basically the same move.

[full bison]

Cause they're insanely good so it's good for the meta for the distribution to be relatively low

[sweet spoke]

should we be allowed to have one for every type though

[stoic canopy]

Nah, at that point every battle turns into “guess if this Pokémon is going to stay in or not”

[full bison]

U turn is already so good that Pokemon having a x4 weakness to Bug is considered undesirable despite the type otherwise being seen as one of the worst types

Competitive players famously call Pokemon out as being "weak to U Turn" instead of "weak to Bug."

[west sonnet]

There’s also Aqua Cutter

and fishious rend RIP

[stoic canopy]

I won’t lie, I forgot that move existed because I want to forget the dancing duck existed.

[west sonnet]

That’s Aqua Step

[weak trellis]

7 including aqua tail which is the most common to see before postgame

[west sonnet]

Aqua Cutter is Veluza’s move

[full bison]

I don't trust Aqua Tail's accuracy enough to put it on the same level as all those

[weak trellis]

I thought we were just listing physical water moves in general (also crabhammer)

[stoic canopy]

Aqua tail has a 90% accuracy. May as well be 50/50.

[cedar path]

fr fr

[weak trellis]

"if it aint 100% it may as well be a coinflip"

[full bison]

I saw someone call Aqua Tail the "least accurate 90% accurate move" and honestly I kinda agree

[cedar path]

was about to say iron tail but forgot its 75%

[weak trellis]

yea

[stoic canopy]

Think the only tail move that’s kinda good is dragon tail. That can force a swap.

[full bison]

Steel has like 2 consistently distributed decent STAB moves

I guess 3 if you wanna count Heavy Slam

[stoic canopy]

Tbf, heavy slam is kinda busted.

[clear lichen]

How can someone say that when Play Rough exists

[stoic canopy]

The idea that it takes into account the Pokémon’s weight is funny as hell.

[stoic canopy]

Cus you have to use play rough or nothing at all. Not many Pokémon learn sprint break.

[clear lichen]

That just means that you have to use this "90%" move more often than you should

Where 90% refers to the secondary effect rate if your opponent is using it

If you use it, it's a 0%

Meanwhile, the supposed 10% secondary effect rate? That's the hit rate

[dusty arrow]

sprint break

the only pokemon with spirit break are grimmsnarl and iron valiant iirc

[stoic canopy]

…yea? That’s what I meant when I said not many can learn spirit break…are ya talking about the spelling? I’m on my phone, autocorrect and what not.

[dusty arrow]

tis a joke about spelling yes

[stoic canopy]

My point was you won’t see many people seriously complain about play rough because it’s the literal only option.its either use it or don’t.

[dusty arrow]

that feels like the same thing with supercell slam

[clear lichen]

I'd rather use Wild Charge over Supercell Slam

[dusty arrow]

eh

[clear lichen]

Supercell Slam is a fraud

[dusty arrow]

i prefer supercell slam but i think both kinda suck

[clear lichen]

Why is it a fucking Jump Kick clone

At least make it a HJK clone

It does barely any more damage and also instantly fucking kills you for even thinking of clicking it when your opponent has a ground type

[dusty arrow]

it should nullify the damage when you hit a ground type at least

theres a difference between a kick going through a ghost and onto a ground and just hitting a ground type but "nuh uh its electric type"

[stoic canopy]

What do think this is, freeze dry? Only ice gets a move that hits super effective on a type it doesn’t normally. That’s the rules!

[gloomy obsidian]

Just curious, if you could choose between having the paradox pokemon or ultra beasts added to the game, which would you want to see?

[bronze barn]

Ultra beasts

soley cause of poipole and naganadel

[full bison]

There's not a lot that you can do with Paradox Pokemon that you can't do with the Pokemon they derive from. Ultra Beasts give a ton of new potential designs

[stoic canopy]

Ultra

[dusty arrow]

while i love slither wing and sandy shocks

definitely ultra beasts

[stoic canopy]

I think the only Pokémon that can add something new would be valiant. And only because it’s a robot.

[full bison]

Roaring Moon would be fine too, but that's still 2 Paradoxes out of over a dozen that will actually be worth adding

[viscid fossil]

leech seed:

like i genuinely thought it was 85 until now

[full bison]

I went out of my way to buy black cardstock paper to try and draw my vision of a Minior/Volcarona that's radiantly glowing, but my colored pencils don't show up very well on it and I don't know how to convey that on the white paper of my sketchbook.

[brittle crow]

i would suggest #spriting-discussion

art ppl should have more

hints

i forgot the word in looking for

help

[gray vine]

already have Klingklang for that and even then could always add the other robot mon

[eager jungle]

i think i'll do a ||diancie||/||torterra|| with ||diamond domain||

[glass patio]

this is such a w gamers

we got blankdisc in pokemon infinite fusion before gta 6

[ember bear]

can't wait for gta 6 in pif

[glass patio]

i should make a luvdisc sprite (shedinja maybe) but i want to make other stuff first

I’m currently at 99 sprites without counting joke alts and not big enough change alts

[keen valve]

are the new pokemon in the beta yet or not yet

[west sonnet]

Some yes others no

Depends on how new you mean

[keen valve]

diancie

[brittle crow]

no.

[hot hamlet]

You can see it in Debug. You cannot choose it however

[ripe wigeon]

As far as I know, in beta 2, 492 Pokémon have been implemented, but those after 487 don't have AI or custom sprites. Pokémon after 493 shouldn't be visible in debug mode either. Is there any place I missed where I can check out Diancie?

[hot hamlet]

Sapphire discovered Pokémon 500 a week before the announcement via Debug. Just couldn’t choose it

[ripe wigeon]

#general message you mean this one?

[hot hamlet]

Yep

[ripe wigeon]

ty I've found it, it's not in the game, but they were already written into the PBS files all along

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/bamboozled-hoodwinked-led-astray-stephen-a-smith-run-amok-gif-12466806

[compact orbit]

R/theydidthemath

[ripe wigeon]

Did they give the same result?

[compact orbit]

Oh I was just making a joke

[ripe wigeon]

I thought you mean someone on Reddit did the same thing

[spice sage]

That guy was bullshitting lol. The data wasn't in the game

[hot hamlet]

Hi Frog!

[hexed agate]

Gone as fast as he showed up

[spice sage]

👋

[hexed agate]

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumpscare-jump-jumpscare-frog-toad-jumpscare-gif-17126897754304945804

[gray stream]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[full bison]

It's going to be interesting to see how the Showdown meta evolves after the update. I feel like we'll be seeing Torkoal, Scrafty, and Diancie going places, with Ludicolo being a solid addition for Rain teams

[inland jewel]

considering they banned all speed abilities that interact with weather, we'll have to see

[molten loom]

Was that because they didn't work in the regular game or something else?

[full bison]

Steel/Grass with Rain Dish on a Drizzle team sounds objectively amazing though

I'm most excited for Scrafty's access to Intimidate, Shed Skin, and Moxie, combined with having solid mixed bulk making it OK as either a head or body

[inland jewel]

no, its just that most users with the speed abilities are balanced, fusions unbalances them so you get like 300 speed monsters with stab 120+ atk/Spatk

or like swift swim Marowak with thick club

[molten loom]

Fair

[full bison]

I guess Cloud Nine can only do so much when it's only available on Golduck and Altaria, neither of which are A: that good or B: lacking in arguably better options

[next flare]

Frog is omnipresent
Ready to speak if their integrity as a game dev is ever in question

[inland jewel]

Frog shows up to disprove people

and to clown

[hexed agate]

[full bison]

Also let's be thankful that V-create was banned cause Contrary V-create Lurantis/Entei sounds like actual hell to deal with

[hexed agate]

[inland jewel]

like what is the counter to that though?

[hot hamlet]

So if we want to talk to frog all we have to do is cast doubt on their dev skills?

[hexed agate]

ask Gary Oak when you rematch him

[next flare]

“Frog is bad at tree tile placement”

[rain locust]

it was

[rain locust]

salamence doublade with spectral thief, flash fire, fire resists with toxic, etc

[inland jewel]

what resists fire that grass can't punch through?

aside from dragon

[outer matrix]

it would be very funny to see how the showdown meta gets affected when we eventually get the gen 7 starters

[rain locust]

water poisons

[inland jewel]

but also rip all the solar blade fusions that won't be getting it anymore

[rain locust]

wouldnt change significantly

incineroar is ok its just arcanine 1.1

other ones kinda blow

[inland jewel]

i mean, useable decidueye amirite

[rain locust]

obv doubles gets its shit rocked but barely anyone plays doubles

“useable”

[ripe wigeon]

Just did a quick math.
Standard + Fusion + Triple
Theoretical numbers of all Pokédex entries for the following versions:
221390 for 6.2 (470 implemented) Including 20 triple fusion, so it's 470+470×470+20
242576 for 6.3.0-beta2 (492 implemented) Including 20 triple fusion, the Kalos starter triple fusion is currently bugged in beta2 which would hatch a pikachu, so it's 492+492×492+20
250523 for next update (500 implemented if Luvdiscis not added) Including 23 triple fusion, so it's 500+500×500+23
251525 for next update (501 implemented if Luvdiscis added) Including 23 triple fusion, so it's 501+501×501+23
UN/UN and Minor(Core)/Minor(Core) can be unlocked outside battle via shedninja duplication.

[rain locust]

maybe when ru exists

[hexed agate]

fire

Chandelure's typing deals with Lurantis fairly well

[inland jewel]

sounds like Lurantis/Entei needs a ground type move

[hexed agate]

it def learns EQ

plottwist: levitate

enjoy countering the king of OU

and nothing else

[crisp arch]

Toxtricity would be a good addition because the only strong special poison type in the game rn is roserade

[gray stream]

toxtricity never gets in. no gen 8+

[full bison]

You could always join Team Naganadel, though maybe that's too strong

[outer matrix]

toxicroak

[gray stream]

team ub

[acoustic compass]

If were talking about Ultra Beasts, witch one would you want in the most?

I guess my top picks would be the poipole line, Nihilego, Kartana, & Buzzwole

[full bison]

Replace Buzzwole with Xurkitree and that's basically my list

[acoustic compass]

That massive Special attack can be fun to go crazy with, but I see more creative potential for Buzzwole

[twin phoenix]

Nihilego and Celesteela all the way. 🪼 🚀

[white dew]

Guzzlord and Xirkitree would be my vote

[alpine ravine]

it would be really cool to triple fuse hitmonlee hitmonchan and hitmontop

[white dew]

If we're talking triple fusions, the unova starters and dreamyard monkeys could get some of they were in the game

[acoustic compass]

Speaking of I wanna see the Unova starters added in

[finite reef]

Chances are they'll be added late next year (maybe)

[ember bear]

(unless they add gen 7 starters first)

[finite reef]

They might add both at once

[opaque flare]

fyi: your math is slightly wrong
standard + fusions - standard + triple
shortens down to fusions + triple

why - standard? double fusions counts as 1, not 2
which means you have to subtract 1 of the double fusions, this is the - standard

even further -2 because ultra necrozma/necrozma and necrozma/ultra necrozma cant exist in a normal gameplay

[ripe wigeon]

ultra necrozma/necrozma and necrozma/ultra necrozma are theoretically exist if you catch it as ultra necrozma, put it in PC(it would stay UN form) and then use Shedinja duplication.

[opaque flare]

yeah, but once you used it it reverts back to necrozma/necrozma ... and in battle again it would UN/UN (with 1 necrozmium and photon geysir) ... so outside of randomizer its only a theoretical fusion

[ripe wigeon]

why battle. if you are about to use Shedinja duplication. all you need is rare candy(triple battle house) and you shall make infinite UN.

you duplicate UN until finish all the related pokedex

UN will not revert back to Necrozma when using Rare Candy.

[opaque flare]

yeah, as long as you dont use it
also, if the bug isnt fixed yet, UN as head might end in a pikachu ... idk the requirements anymore, either it was unfusing or in battle fight

[ripe wigeon]

My friend told me that in 6.3 beta2, as long as Necrozma transforms during battle, the corresponding fusion Pokédex entries can be unlocked. If that’s the case, it would just require copying a few Necrozma to use for UN/N, N/UN, and UN/UN fusions. Given that they’d all be unlocked through Shedinja duplication and then fused outside of battle to avoid potential bug like you said, theoretically, it should be possible to complete the entire Pokédex for both N and UN.

[hexed agate]

Stakataka and Kektana my beloved

[unkempt kernel]

Blacephalon my beloved

[hexed agate]

Xurk is also poggers though

[hexed agate]

Also a banger

[unkempt kernel]

Well yes, it does go boom

[eager jungle]

blacephalon would be funny for bowling related fusions

[hexed agate]

It's like Voltorb on a stick

[unkempt kernel]

Ah yes the firework clown is good for bowling fusions

[eager jungle]

that can throw its head

[hexed agate]

Voltorb can throw its head too

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh Blacephalon would be like bruxish but better, due to its crazy colour scheme

[hexed agate]

I'd say blace is more tame tbh

It has design elements, but the colors are fairly tame compared to Bruxish

[unkempt kernel]

I mean its still vibrant whites, pinks, blues and a bit of yellow

[hexed agate]

Not saying its palette doesn't go hard

I'm saying it's tame in contrast with Bruxish imo

[unkempt kernel]

And when did i say that you didnt say that?

[hexed agate]

Never, I'm just stating my point as clearly as I can

[unkempt kernel]

[hexed agate]

Btw, I started a small side project to help familiarize myself with dataset analysis (a massive PowerPoint)

Can't wait to share it when it's ready

[ripe wigeon]

Hi sorry I thought about it, and I believe I should stick with my calculation. I think there are no duplicate double-fusion Pokémon in my math.

each fusion is counted once only

[ripe wigeon]

Your premise is incorrect. In my calculation, double fusion was not counted twice. Perhaps you can imagine a situation where the Pokédex only has 2 base Pokémon to make it easier to understand. The total fusion number would be 2×2=4, and you can easily list them as (1,1), (1,2), (2,1), (2,2). Clearly, the double fusion was not counted twice.

[alpine rune]

Oh for crying out loud!
*deletes all fusions
There, 0.

[ripe wigeon]

a test result for verification.

6.3.0-beta2

I’m not quite sure if sharing these test results goes against the channel’s rules. If it does, please let me know, and I’ll delete it immediately.

[prime dust]

or you can just multiply 500 and 500 and then just minus 2

that won't factor in triples but

[ripe wigeon]

you don't need to minus 2

[prime dust]

will get you in the right area

[prime dust]

you do

[ripe wigeon]

you can get UN/UN N/UN and UN/N

[prime dust]

as there are 2 fusions that are technically impossible

yes, but you can't get n/un or un/n

[ripe wigeon]

which?

you can fuse it outside the battle

[prime dust]

no

because ultra is an in battle form only soon as battle ends, it returns to necrozma

so outside of a randomizer pulling it; those two fusions can't exist

[ripe wigeon]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[prime dust]

yeah your friend is a liar

if you fuse a necrozma and necrozma and battle shift it, both become ultra

[ripe wigeon]

no, you don't need to enter a battle

[prime dust]

you do

as that is the only way to shift into ultra

[ripe wigeon]

||Shedinja duplication can copy UN||

it can exist in PC

[prime dust]

it is in a glitched state then

[ripe wigeon]

if you caught it as UN, and it's in PC

[prime dust]

under normal circumstance those 2 fusions can not exist

[ripe wigeon]

it would remain the UN form

[prime dust]

the only time i've seen it is with a randomizer

[ripe wigeon]

until it's fixed, it's kinda normal circumstance

[prime dust]

no it isn't

[ripe wigeon]

by that I mean you still can have N/UN or N/UN or UN/UN via Shedinja duplication

it's practical

you can test it

you can dupilcate UN, make some of them N, and fuse with UN in PC

[prime dust]

there's also the fact its in the beta, which is buggy

[ripe wigeon]

it's a case since 6.0's Shedinja duplication fix

if it's 5.x version, it would be much easier to do this

it's buggy, while people use that until it's fixed. and that's the only way to get all pokedex theoretically

[ripe wigeon]

Also, I don’t think you need to phrase it that way.

Shedinja duplication is kinda common knowledge for me and warmaker, so we didn't go into detailed explanations and discussions.

[ripe wigeon]

I understand why you’d say that, it’s because you didn’t get the relation between 'Shedinja duplication' and ‘then fused outside of battle’. It's okay to question or deny, please do it in a way people feel okay. there's not need to say anything about my friend.

[ripe wigeon]

@prime dustI recorded a test video to demonstrate the possibility I mentioned.|| First you have to caught a UN form, don't use it in any battle. then you use Shedinja duplication to create infinite UN with rare candy(infinitely obtainable from triple battle house), make some of them N by entering battles. then you can fuse N/UN UN/N UN/UN.||

It's still valid until it get fixed.

[inland jewel]

Okay but that’s not viable outside of randomizer

[ripe wigeon]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

you can catch UN form in any mode

[inland jewel]

Since the battle you catch them it reverts to Necrozma

Okay 6 party Pokémon and it goes to PC

[ripe wigeon]

yeah

and it's UN form

you can try it

[inland jewel]

I’m good

I don’t like legendaries

It’s just what’s the point of a Necrozma /UNecro fusion if you’re not gonna use it

[ripe wigeon]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message the messages above is just part of discussion about these numbers

[inland jewel]

Does it really matter though?

[ripe wigeon]

it does not matter. but someone replied, so I responded out of courtesy. I’m well aware of whether or not these numbers are achievable.

[inland jewel]

I guess…

[ripe wigeon]

it's just meaningless numbers, while it's another thing if it's discussed

[inland jewel]

It just seems like a lot of work for something so pointless

Like yeah technically we can do this just to prove you wrong

[ripe wigeon]

But I wasn't. if I was wrong I'd admit fast and save other's time.

[inland jewel]

Yeah you proved the other guy wrong

Never did I say that you were wrong

[ripe wigeon]

i'm not proving someone's right or wrong, I just reply

if no one talk about it, I'll not do these

[inland jewel]

From my viewpoint guy said :oh but these two fusions are not to be include because it’s impossible to get in a normal playthrough

You pulled up and said “Actually here’s how”

[ripe wigeon]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message that hurt my feeling tho

[inland jewel]

How is that not proving someone wrong?

[ripe wigeon]

you're right

[ripe wigeon]

Telling someone something is feasible is not logically the same as proving them wrong.

The logical starting point is completely different.

[inland jewel]

Why would that make a difference?

It’s still factually correcting someone

So logically that means the other person was wrong

[ripe wigeon]

Because I didn't subjectively try to prove him wrong, I was just trying to show that what I said is feasible.

[inland jewel]

So you just didn’t intend to be smarter

[ripe wigeon]

for what

I don't get it

[inland jewel]

You’re saying it’s different due to intent

That instead of letting them get the facts wrong for not thinking

So pipe up about how if you think about it it’s technically possible

[ripe wigeon]

#1173685530484031518 message it starts here

[inland jewel]

And it’s not rude because not intent to be rude just wanting to state the facts

[ripe wigeon]

I saw the number and I'm curious about it, so I did the math

I share the result, people discussed about it

so here we are

I pinged them in the thread, and it's a number related to new version. that's why I post it here.

[inland jewel]

But the discussion ended yesterday did it not?

[ripe wigeon]

I was just discussing this number with them, which you think meaningless

[ripe wigeon]

it's your yesterday

not mine

I still have several hours before going to sleep

I just reply the messages, that's all

[inland jewel]

I don’t see the point of the second half of the message

Could have left it at discussing numbers

[ripe wigeon]

we were discussing numbers

he said minus 2

I said we don't need to minus 2

[inland jewel]

Couldn’t care less about it, just wanted to say that UNecro reverts to regular and you pointed out the 6 man party

And I was content

[ripe wigeon]

I don't have anything else to say.

[inland jewel]

And then it made me think, why would use want to use a UNecro/Necro fusion

It’s pointless

Could have left it there

[ripe wigeon]

yeah that's reasonable thinking

you are talking about pointless UN/N,while we were talking about numbers which is related to it

it's different thing

[inland jewel]

And I could care less about those numbers

[ripe wigeon]

sure

[inland jewel]

Why drag me into it?

[ripe wigeon]

I didn't, I just reply

[inland jewel]

By replying you’re dragging me into it

By linking posts I don’t care for

[ripe wigeon]

I replied to you out of politeness. Please take a closer look at what I responded to you. if you don't care, you can just say it, but you didn't and start talking about me proving someone's wrong, which I didn't intend to do. I need to make myself clear

I totally agree some of your point. But I didn't drag you in any conversation

[inland jewel]

There is a thing as unintentional rudeness

[ripe wigeon]

For example, defining someone else's subjective thoughts based on your own perspective?

[trail hull]

What no more reveals does to a chat

[inland jewel]

Truly

[ripe wigeon]

sorry for that

[inland jewel]

Gotta get to the logistical side of it now

How many new maps do you think we’ll see in 6.3?

[trail hull]

Do you guys think the game will blow up again with this update?

[inland jewel]

Like will Diancie get its own map

[ripe wigeon]

diancie?

[trail hull]

Yep we’re getting diancie

[inland jewel]

It has a ton of Pokémon people would be interested in so def

[trail hull]

And it also has character customization

[ripe wigeon]

Luvdisc shall have a standalone map

[hexed agate]

Yep, I'm designing it

[trail hull]

I love that luvdisc is in the game

[inland jewel]

Finally another way to farm heartscales

[hexed agate]

Fake news btw

[inland jewel]

There is only so many times I can smash rocks and sigh encountering a geodude

[trail hull]

That means I won’t get bullied for it next time too

[hexed agate]

But Luvdisc should be the Heart Scale answer

[inland jewel]

If Luvdisc has a dedicated fishing spot then bonus

[hexed agate]

I supported Fishmas from conception to actualization

Fishmas is my jam

[hexed agate]

Idk if dedicated, but my money is on Vermilion

[trail hull]

Next vote I’ll try to guess the fishmas

[inland jewel]

I hope it’s relicanth or alom next vote

[inner quarry]

I wonder when Hoopa will be added, if it's not in the game yet

[hexed agate]

[ripe wigeon]

Can we use Luvdisc to pay for the move expert's fee?

[hexed agate]

If Frog allows me, I think I already know what to do for the next Fishmas

[trail hull]

I can’t wait to see it

You guys deliver on the trolls

[ripe wigeon]

Basculin please

if there must be another fish

[prime dust]

you'll just force dragagle

[hexed agate]

As if, I can't yield to Vince like that

[prime dust]

there's not many single stage joke mons left

[hexed agate]

Jokes come in all shapes and sizes

[hot hamlet]

So when Comfey?

Or Chatot

[ember bear]

hey comfey has an interesting ability

[prime dust]

i dunno, but here's my wild prediction for next year

[hot hamlet]

Next major update is just Alomomola to hammer home the Trolldisc

[hexed agate]

You're right, they are wild

[next flare]

Salazzle seems pretty unlikely compared to the rest of the bunch

Cryogonal is the next troll fish

[inland jewel]

With Basculin though we won’t get Legion

So the best type of troll

[prime dust]

cryogonal isn't the next troll, that one was a legit choice i made, because its an ice type [something we lack] and the design is interesting

[inland jewel]

Howso?

[hexed agate]

Ice types are hard to fit pre-Mt. Silver imo

But I do love Cryogonal

[next flare]

It has been proposed that Salazzle would have similar problems as Lopunny

[inland jewel]

According to polls Salazzle ranked top 3 via public voting

[prime dust]

so does a few mons in the possible list

[inland jewel]

With Kommo-o and Golisopod in, that means Salazzle wil have top votes next year if votes stay the same

[hexed agate]

It's been proven, too

Aka we rule 2 a sprite during the non-if contests

[inland jewel]

If Salazzle got in we can make that palworld mon

Since Luvdisc is in now

[ripe wigeon]

If the following update only add trolls, and only save the last position for a normal Pokémon, would that be interesting?

[prime dust]

it'd be a short list

monkeys, alolomola, basculin, heatmor and its any counter part, heatran, volcanion? and then the normal mon, everything else isn't really troll, just...not as well liked

[hexed agate]

Fast track to our heads on pikes

[eager jungle]

next addition is at 1M user

[prime dust]

so never

[velvet root]

I wish

[inland jewel]

Christmas could have a reveal, and do another mini update

[prime dust]

no

[hexed agate]

We've grown ~30k in the past 60ish days

[prime dust]

yeah but getting up to 1M is a bit of a stretch

[hexed agate]

True

[prime dust]

we'd need another big youtube rush

[hexed agate]

I think if Frog made the server discoverable it'd help

[inland jewel]

I could see a 750K inclusion

[prime dust]

and there in lies part of the issue

the more "noticable" we are, the more

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-mordor-the-eye-gif-5619682

[hexed agate]

Fair

But we are the 2nd largest Pokémon server

-# just hidden

[eager jungle]

it should be "Team Frog Hideout"

[inland jewel]

New room in the game corner behind the poster

[inner quarry]

Our days are (possibly, mayhaps, perhaps) numbered!

[inland jewel]

All frog fusions

[eager jungle]

nah, as long as we don't make money, we're "fine"

[sand mica]

Can we have Skuntank and Grumpig soon?

[civic harness]

Frogmania

[trail hull]

What’s the first?

[trail hull]

Or buy add space on twitch

[bronze barn]

I assume either pokerogue or something like pixelmon

[trail hull]

Pokerogue has less then us

[bronze barn]

hm....

[trail hull]

And pixelmon lost a lot members

They only are at 200k

Pokerogue has more

[bronze barn]

pokemon brick bronze probably

I remember it had a lot of members

[prime dust]

that's cause it got overtaken by cobblemon

[deft obsidian]

Wow this channel still exist?

That means more pokemon?

[prime dust]

no idea

frog kept it around for a good while after the extra mons from the last vote were announced

i assume this will vanish close to the release of 6.3

[hexed agate]

Brick Bronze iirc

800k when I checked, iirc

[deft obsidian]

This was the last message #pif-hoenn-discussion message

and cresselia was last pokemon

[bronze barn]

we're surprisingly only about 30k behind

[hexed agate]

dislexia diff

[full bison]

Maybe we could have a day of the week where certain routes experience a hailstorm and those routes have Ice types? Though that's me assuming it would be easily implemented like that

[hexed agate]

not a bad sugg tbh

[inland jewel]

i did try to look into weather encounter tables in Ruby

and uhhh

the best we can do is like Feebas where it has a chance to spawn during rain

[velvet root]

I mean I could only think of Pokémon that become Ice type like crabbrawler to be a early Route mon

[inland jewel]

Crabrawler can be early too since it spawns in berry trees

and then when gym 3-4 rolls around you get an ice type

but Seel is earlier if you trade for it in Vermillion

[velvet root]

I mean we dont need a shit ton of Ice types early just some

He could work

Maybe a quest thats about ice cream and the shop keeper is like "one of my cones just flew away" you find some hints in the city and find it as static somewhere?
You could also finish that quest and after you tell him he says you can keep it cuz its not a real cone and he gives you 5 castelia cones (or what they are called)

https://tenor.com/view/umbrella-academy-ice-cream-truck-waving-whatever-bye-robert-sheehan-gif-13642043

[inland jewel]

Saffron city has an ice cream stand

every tuesday they hand out a vanillish

and be like "Oops this cone is actually a pokemon"

early for those who want to grind for the mone o enter saffron early

[velvet root]

I thought around badge 2-3

In the city with the SS Anne
Cuz many harbors have Ice cream and food shops around

[inland jewel]

you see, the ice cream stand is a reference to BW where in castelia city you could get a free ice cream every tuesday

though that was a port city combined with a metropolis

so both work

[velvet root]

I see that

I just think if we talk about early ice types we could put a weak one really early

[merry shale]

I wonder if the Komo-o line were added?

[inland jewel]

in beta

[merry shale]

Gen 7 pseudo legendaries?

[inland jewel]

not officially ill December or January

[merry shale]

Oh

[inland jewel]

yep, all mons from Kommo-o to today is not released yet

[west sonnet]

Honestly the easiest answer I see is making smoochum an early quest reward

[inland jewel]

fun fact it is

most people just choose other eggs

[west sonnet]

Lmao I forgot about the eggs

[inland jewel]

like realistically, why choose smoochum over mabgy or elekid

[hollow plume]

what we need

[ember bear]

dunno what a ribcage could possibly add to the game

[dusty arrow]

the ribcage probably has better stats than mightyena lmao

[west sonnet]

I mean magby has no fusions and you can get electabuzz down the road

[inland jewel]

you can get magmar down the rode too

[west sonnet]

Maybe people are just wrong

[inland jewel]

its just that you get access to magmar first out of hte trio

since Sevii Volcano, Ice place for Articuno, and Powerplant

[west sonnet]

and have bad taste

[inland jewel]

are all around the same time

[inland jewel]

true

[opaque flare]

i see your calculation now ... you might be correct, i counted different .. i count head/body and in self fusions those are the same on both sides

[gray vine]

how did you go from 20 triple to 23

with kalos that would only up it by 1 not 3

or do triple fusions get 3 dex entries

oh

[opaque flare]

3 ... the base, the 1st evo and the 2nd evo

[gray vine]

ye

i got it

i forgot they evolve

so used to only the legend ones

[full bison]

I am kinda sad that so far every triple fusion is just starters or legendaries. I'd like to see Pokemon with similar premises get a similar treatment, like the Hitmons or Muk, Weezing, and Garbodor

[ember bear]

it's probably just because triple fusions aren't really a priority

[outer matrix]

what other Pokémon would fit in for a triple fusion that's not already mentioned?

[full bison]

A lot of people want to see a triple fusion of the original 3 Eeveelutions, but that can be kinda awkward cause that leaves 5 Eeveelutions behind with nothing similar cause none of the others can really be considered a group of 3

maybe Espeon, Umbreon, and Sylveon, but that's kinda a stretch

[viscid fossil]

Flapolteon

[outer matrix]

that also leaves leafeon and glaceon left though

[full bison]

If only Gamefreak gave us that planned Flying Eeveelution they were going to add to Gen 7, that would solve this dilemma

[ember bear]

aren't eeveelution types based on the category they were before the physical/special split tho?

[full bison]

Maybe if Wurmple is added we could have triple fusions of Beautifly, Ledian, and Butterfree as well as Beedrill, Ariados, and Dustox, but that would require people being OK with dedicating 5 slots to one not-that-powerful line

[full bison]

That's just unconfirmed speculation

People watched that one Lockistin video and pulled the same stunt as the Game Theory fan base and just accepted it as reality

[viscid fossil]

Well i thought that too but they apparently wanted bird fox before dragon fox

[ember bear]

shrug

no idea of that video, i just figured out the coincidence without watching it

[full bison]

Maybe if Swellow was added we could have a regional bird Triple Fusion?

[outer matrix]

Other legendary trios having triple fusions is also something to consider if they ever get added in, like the lake trio, the swords of justice, the 3 genies, XYZ legends & SM legends (including necrozma)

[opaque flare]

a ghost type eevee wouldve been better .. dark/ghost/psychic triple fusion and ice/fairy/grass as fusion probably

[full bison]

Triple Lake trio fusion just looking the exact same as the base but with a really elaborate hat

[outer matrix]

after looking around some more, there's not a lot of triple fusions that could be made if they have to follow the rule of having to make sense thematically

[trail hull]

ditto mew zoroark for the ultimate transform triple fusing

[red radish]

I've been here the whole time, ever since probably 3.0? When was Pikachu's Adventure a minigame last?

Pikachu's Adventure II, future hype maybe

It was a little jank, but if you used cheat engine to slow the game down it was easy

[full bison]

Maybe Pseudos could work? But that would be awkward considering there's 8, so no even split there

[trail hull]

honesrtly once the update release it might bring a lot of attention cuz news mon and character customization will surely be a big hit

[outer matrix]

The kanto fossils are one I've seen someone made a sprite of, and could work imo

[red radish]

Only think I don't like about updates is lack of fusion sprites for a few months

But that's a stupid complaint lol

"My free art takes too long :("

[trail hull]

yeah it takes time for people to sprite and if it's a painful mon even longer