pif-hoenn-discussion

[rugged temple]

I hope Tropius can get that much love

[alpine rune]

Now I just wish hippowdon, wingull and abomasnow line to come

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/me-btw-this-is-me-minior-pokemon-gif-12555386237803741734

[alpine rune]

Add castform while you're at it

[twin phoenix]

Palkia/Torkoal with a nebula replacing the smoke would be cool to see.

[rugged temple]

Add Claydol:)

Actually palkia Claydol would go so hard

[humble lance]

favorite additions so far are kommo-o and slurpuff

[coral axle]

Same

I also adore Lurantis

[rugged temple]

Wait they actually added the starters?

[humble lance]

ye

the kalos starters

[rugged temple]

Well at least I don't have to hear about them anymore for new updates

[unkempt kernel]

You will for Unova and Alola

[rugged temple]

🚮

I have other things to look forward to

[alpine rune]

The other slots would be pelipper line, hippowdon line, abomasnow line and Xy legends trust

[rugged temple]

Abomasnow, Tropius, Claydol, Combee would be nice

[unkempt kernel]

Pach, excadrill, gothitelle uh- I can’t think of the last 2 so uh, abomasnow ig

[hollow creek]

Malamar, Eelektross, dragalgae and Relicanth

[coral axle]

Florges, Sawsbuck, Gigalith, Blacephalon

[hexed agate]

are you trying to win over staff? 🤨

[hollow creek]

I cant help that they're cool pokemon

[hexed agate]

[hollow creek]

Those are my realistic expectations yknow I want castform and gastrodon on there

realistic wishes*

[outer matrix]

the only problem is castform bodies

[hexed agate]

[clear lichen]

I feel like gastrodon is pretty realistic

I think it's a generally well respected Pokemon

[hexed agate]

laughs in water type

[hollow creek]

I have ideas for a few, specficially with gastly

it would work well with the forms

[clear lichen]

Relicanth was listed as realistic

[hexed agate]

laughs in nepotism

[clear lichen]

It's a lot less popular than Gastrodon and still a water type

Though ig there are staff picks right

So like

Idk

[hexed agate]

nope

[clear lichen]

Damn

[hexed agate]

I'm the only staff member to not have participated in the staff pick

and Greystorm ig

[clear lichen]

Hmm, I wonder how these Pokemon are picked

Maybe just randomly

[outer matrix]

spinner wheel perhaps?

[clear lichen]

Or for Pumpkaboo and Swirlix, based on a holiday

[hexed agate]

Frog Decree™️

[clear lichen]

Realistic picks are lame, have all your picks be ultra unrealistic like Darmanitan, the Cosmog line and UBs

[coral axle]

Ye

[outer matrix]

and meltan

[hollow creek]

A lot of them have been wanted in the game for a while

[unkempt kernel]

Ultra unrealistic you say? Yamper

[hollow creek]

I WOULD love darmanitan tho

[clear lichen]

Well you're not wrong

That is ultra unrealistic

[clear lichen]

I would too

Unfortunately, Zen Mode

[outer matrix]

I can't wait for ogerpon to be added

[clear lichen]

Fr!

[hollow creek]

Thats the fun part tho

[clear lichen]

Frosmoth copium will never die (because I never started coping at all, since I know it's impossible)

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-nod-gif-6252740989071573509

[clear lichen]

I imagine it'd be a hell to code

[scenic tapir]

I would love to see mienshao get added but I cannot complain if it doesn't because golisopod ❤️

[clear lichen]

And also, would it take 2 slots or just 1?

[hollow creek]

I think with meloetta in the game, forms are very doable

[clear lichen]

I can only really see it having 2 pair of sprites

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh I’d rather it over pod

[scenic tapir]

Necrozma and the oricorio variants take up their own slots so I imagine they'd be separate as well

[clear lichen]

So Darmanitan would take 3 slots

Since Darumaka also exists

[scenic tapir]

Golisopod is my favorite pokemon of all time lmao but mienshao would be more fun to sprite

[outer matrix]

imagine if zen mode could be chosen outside of battle

[scenic tapir]

I haven't sprited a single golisopod because its design is too complicated for me

meanwhile I have sprited 3 heads of my least favorite--

[hollow creek]

I only gort to golis

[unkempt kernel]

I just wa t the funny electric squirrel from gen 4

[hollow creek]

its pretty time consuming both heads and bodies

[scenic tapir]

Mhmm mhmm

[hollow creek]

ok i need to go to sleep im spelling two as to

[clear lichen]

I'd rather it or Emolga over the other pika clones

[unkempt kernel]

Pod just seems boring to me, the sprites feel kinda samey

[ember loom]

Imagine my baby runerigus in this game pleaseeeeeee the potential is infinite 😭😭😭give me ma baby

[unkempt kernel]

Sadly nothing past gen 7 is getting added, same for regional variants

[ember loom]

😭😭😭😭😭😭just one only one I want awwww copium is strong in me rn

I hope a some rich rich rich rich person that loves Pokemon and finds this game and spends billions of dollars just to make it a reality I’d be so happy

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah we love Nintendo take downs

[ember loom]

Nintendo is an ass 😔

Is that really the reason why they can’t?

Didn’t know that 😓

[prime dust]

since the game is effectively owned by 3 companies, yes

and nintendo won't sell their biggest money maker

I know they regularly make somewhere in the ballpark of like 20B+ per year of pokemon merch

[rugged temple]

Gamefreak makes maybe one of those billions

[prime dust]

more

[rugged temple]

4

[prime dust]

hang on, i have a old media thing i found for 2022 profits of pokemon

[rugged temple]

Now how much of that goes into gamefreak itself

[prime dust]

no idea, but yeah; they won't sell something this profitable

[alpine rune]

Excuse me wtf is a jet aircraft livery sales

wtf

[prime dust]

welcome to "hey we want to make our airline be attractive, we'd like to purchase a license to stick pokemon images on it. here is money"

[wraith otter]

Guys torkoal feels so random

[prime dust]

you have to remember pokemon is miles bigger in japan than it is anywhere else in the world

[prime dust]

not really, people have wanted his unique asthetic in the game

[alpine rune]

No its perfectly predicted (chat in question was 15 hours before announcement)

[wraith otter]

Oh wow what the heck

That's insane

[wraith otter]

Maybe after I see the sprites it'll grow on me

[prime dust]

i mean 8 already exist in #sprite-gallery

tho one is actual an alt that was made last year

[quaint matrix]

Heyyyyyy it's not Luvdisc

I'll take it

[prime dust]

it is also not the monkeys

[molten loom]

I know I'm insane

[prime dust]

everyone is crazy

the difference is the level of crazy

[quaint matrix]

I wouldn't mind Oranguru or Passimian

[silent acorn]

Not those monkeys, the unovan monkeys

[latent sage]

welp now that golisopod back time to return to spriting

[dusty arrow]

none of the torkoal sprites so far are interesting me in torkoal

[coral axle]

Rip

[steel meadow]

but but...

[dusty arrow]

its fine ig

[steel meadow]

alright what about this new guy?

he is so happy!

[dusty arrow]

meh

torkoal just isnt interesting to me

[steel meadow]

i guess ice type magikarp next then

[dusty arrow]

yeah

ice type maikarp next

[outer matrix]

but torkoal/sceptile makes master oogway

[steel meadow]

hero has been cooking with their sprites

[ocean lark]

i wanna sprite torkoal/gardevoir
just for the contest

[umbral river]

Torkoal fused with some Steel types would make for great steampunk

[steel meadow]

what would u do with its shell on gardevoir?-

or will u just incorporate it into her dress

[ocean lark]

yeah

[rugged temple]

Torkoal vileplume is gonna look great I bet

[umbral river]

Oh it super will

I could also see Torkoal / Tentacruel looking pretty cool

One could say, pretty Tenta-cool

[rugged temple]

Torkoal Lucario gonna be master Ugwai

[steel meadow]

I wanna see Torkoal/Parasect by Gasmaskblacky if theyre up for it

[rugged temple]

"my time has come" - torkoal

[steel meadow]

they make suuuuuch cool parasect sprites (or reverse)

look at this guy but imagine torkoal

[steel meadow]

how many oogways do we need?

[rugged temple]

Yes

How many indeed

[steel meadow]

all the oogways

[rugged temple]

More

MORE

[steel meadow]

im excited to see some grass type turtles too

[umbral river]

I'm excited to see some more fusions with Torkoal as the body

[full bison]

Man, I'm excited to make a Sun team when the update drops. I have no idea what to make aside from having Torkoal and Lurantis, maybe HA Charizard too

[umbral river]

When they add charizard at least

[steel meadow]

chlorophyll leafeon

[stoic canopy]

I’d like to see some steam engine type fusions when torkoal is in the game.

[full bison]

If Chlorophyl worked, that'd be neat. But unfortunately...

[umbral river]

Steam engine torkoal will be fun to see

[steel meadow]

it doesnt?

[full bison]

Leaf Guard is fine tho I think

[steel meadow]

what about solar power sunflora

[umbral river]

It's starting to sound less like "when they fix weather" and more like "if they fix weather"

[rugged temple]

Amaura and Aurorus torkoal fusions are gonna go so hard

[unkempt stone]

Turtle variety is cool

Also Torkoal fusions are probably gonna be really good given you can adjust its speed and other sprites while keeping its really high defense

I think

[umbral river]

I dunno anything much about Torkoal but I think it's good competitively

[full bison]

torkoal is carried by Drought

[umbral river]

I remember someone saying that Torkoal having an evolution would be terrifying because "Torkoal with an Eviolite would be an absolute menace"

[hexed agate]

I need sleep, I read that as Chernobyl

also, Torkoal with Chandelure would make a decent big damage mon

[full bison]

Can make a very dark joke about that but I'll refrain

[hexed agate]

good

[full bison]

Torkoal with Lurantis would be pretty fun with free one turn Solar Blades

[hexed agate]

and no attack stat to use them

[daring burrow]

who put torkoal on the ocean

[quaint matrix]

Should've gotten one in Gen 4 or 9 tbh

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[daring burrow]

damn

little guy truly went where ever he want

[full bison]

I think in context Torkoal is trying to retrieve something important to the Pokemon of the Week, but this is still a funny little scene

Oh yeah, it was that Spoink's pearl.

Really that Spoink is in even greater risk considering it's not bouncing there

[pine timber]

NOOO TORKOAL

[proud lion]

#1292697711098986550

[bitter comet]

We just have to pray that the Frogman actually cares and fixes it. There’s nothing else we can do.

[umbral river]

Something tells me we're gonna learn someday that the Spoink Pokedex entry was like the Drifloon Pokedex entry, and that it's completely false about it dying when not bouncing

[full bison]

Easier access to Drought will probably prompt more people to try and use Chlorophyll, so maybe it'll be more of a priority

[umbral river]

It all does still depend on the Frog hearing our pleas

[noble holly]

how is torkoal even winning

but oh well, already happened

[noble holly]

Ninetales already has it and better statwise
HA is already easily accesible enough

[velvet root]

Cuz it gives more options for unsetting and is nice to sprite

[clear lichen]

Torkoal has a more defensive stat spread and movepool and is generally the preferred option

In normal competitive ofc

Since Torkoal has only just started existing for IF competitive and I don't play IF competitive

Both Ninetales and Torkoal are ass outside of having Drought

[ocean lark]

lilligant when

[clear lichen]

Ninetales provides decent speed and a noticeable increase in special bulk.
Torkoal provides a massive physical bulk difference, Rapid Spin for hazard clearing, Yawn and hazards

Also, if you're interested in Doubles, I've heard Torkoal is good on Trick Room teams in Doubles because of Eruption

Ninetales has a slight damage disadvantage as well

But it's 81 vs 85

You won't be losing out on any interactions probably

Hey, why does Ninetales have such sad SpA?

[alpine rune]

yea torkoal shines most in doubles due to eruption. same goes with typhlosion variants honestly. in singles theyre pretty mediocre or just too niche/inflexible.

[clear lichen]

Well, Torkoal being inflexible doesn't matter too much when it is one of the few sun setters

And people generally prefer Torkoal over Ninetales

[alpine rune]

though you would still see people using torkoal more than ninetails because of the bulk.

[clear lichen]

Typhlosion on the other hand

Yeah uhh

RIP

[alpine rune]

slap a choice scarf and hope to god no one teras to water

[clear lichen]

That's assuming they don't have a bulky water, Garganacl, Blissey, Heatran etc

Oh, and priority, and you will be heavily held back by hazards

[alpine rune]

or that no one sets stealth rock when your spinner/defoger dies

[clear lichen]

Especially when you really need to be at high HP for Eruption to carry Typhlosion's otherwise mid SpA

It's sadly Typhlover

[alpine rune]

its fun to see in low ladder when you just sweep entire teams with typhlosion tho lol

[clear lichen]

Yeah low ladder is hilarious

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-pokemon-speech-bubble-torkoal-gif-17904128452003247135

[clear lichen]

Torkoal doesn't have good special bulk, that's not that crazy

[alpine rune]

i couldnt find a showdown eruption typhlosion gif

[clear lichen]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex in Sun: 268-316 (88.4 - 104.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

I love silly calcs

[clear lichen]

Damn, isn't that the set that Chi-Yu only OHKOs like 12% of the time?

That's pretty crazy

[alpine rune]

chiyu's damage isnt really because of its SPA, its because of its ability

kyogres spa is way higher, and water sput is 150 BP

so yea

combine the two together for funny

[clear lichen]

Tbf, 135 SpA is still high

It's just that yknow

Beads of Ruin

[alpine rune]

its not 150

Yea

XD

[clear lichen]

A lot of Pokemon reach the same effective SpA

By a lot I mean 2

And across both attack stats

But shh

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Beads of Ruin Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 520-614 (79.7 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You also forgot to keep the spread move multi target damage drop-off into consideration, though if there was only 1 blissey as the opponent your calc would be correct. You probably knew that but didn't factor it though, because guaranteed OHKO on Blissey is funny

Well, unless I'm forgetting something

[alpine rune]

Let's just keep that between you and me

[clear lichen]

We should give Kyogre As One: Drizzle+Hadron Engine

It'd be funny

[alpine rune]

The funny

they wont know what hit em

[rugged temple]

Imagine if you get hit by a priority interrupting move

[alpine rune]

Psychic terrain:

[rugged temple]

[cursive oar]

how long does it generally take for the newly announced pokemon to be added?

[deft obsidian]

One more week?

[sinful smelt]

Or do you mean to the game? I heard it takes a few months, to give spriters time to get it some more customs

[raw bison]

Rip I wasn't paying attention and missed the vote

[sterile spoke]

Torkoal's gonna be a great choice for fusions. It's nice that we can use the smoke effect without relying on Koffing and Weezing's hideously coloured smoke. 🙂

[unkempt stone]

Tortle

[raw bison]

Went to go see the voting list and while I'm sure that the votes have already been tallied it still let me vote so I lightning rounded it

Gonna have to read through and see how things have shaped up and if there's any fusions I wanna sprite now...heehee hoohoo.

But that's after I sleep. It's 4am here

[rain locust]

actually torkoals stats are better for higher def and lower spe

[sturdy frost]

and good luck fitting ninetales into a trick room setup

I think for a good bit torkoal was a more common sunsetter than ninetales

[velvet root]

If I think of a Sun team I actually think of Torkoal

[half cairn]

are wigglytuff fusions any good lol

[full bison]

Wigglytuff itself is very mid and there are way better Fairies out there if you're talking statistics

[half cairn]

fusing takes average of stats, right?

[full bison]

For a playthrough there's basically no reason to go for Jigglypuff when Clefairy's in basically the same spot and has way better abilities

[half cairn]

wait this is the wrong channel

i’ll go to general

[velvet root]

#playthrough-talk is fine too

[marble meadow]

spiritomb torkoal fusion would be interesting

[velvet root]

What do you have in mind for it?

[inland jewel]

the time they gave when they did the first announcement was sometimes in November

due to the Sprite Repo though, it might be pushed to December or January

[prime dust]

^

i think frog wants to get a beta out to snuff out any new game breaking bugs asap, so that when the update is properly live, there's less nonsense

[vague oar]

Lmao I said maybe next time, I have no idea what the next Mons are

Im just a humble sprite manager that was on hiatus for like a month

[velvet root]

Good news

[vague oar]

I have no idea what has happened on the server

So even if the other managers know, I don’t

[velvet root]

Ngl after the accident last year I could have seen if they dont tell you anymore XD

[vague oar]

There’s never been an accident lmao

I didn’t even knew Torkoal was getting added btw

And I missed the reveal

I woke up and everything was already announced

[velvet root]

Lol

[velvet root]

Oh okay

[inland jewel]

This is accident erasure

on another note, what if Frogman is saving all the problematic mons for last

things like Minior, Darmanitan, Cherrim, Shaymin

[weak trellis]

~~the only accident that happened last year was ||agatha's curse wobbuffet becoming poison typed|| ~~

[hollow plume]

I am never going to get mightyena am I?

Why can't I have my good boy

[full bison]

The only thing problematic about Shaymin would be Serene Grace Air Slash with over 100 Speed. The form change would be fine considering it's something that happens outside of battle

Unless it gets frozen, but how often does that happen

Seriously though why does Skymin have that freeze stipulation? It's not surviving any Ice moves anyway

[weak trellis]

Flavor

[inland jewel]

apparently its in the code for Sky shaymin to go back to regular form when frozen

so that could be problematic

[inland jewel]

considering we have freeze balls

that is a very likely scenario when trying to catch them

[proud bluff]

and in the unlikely scenario tri attack freezes or freezing glare

[dusty arrow]

hello chat

[spiral musk]

speaking of freezing, ice type magikarp/shaymin when?

[dusty arrow]

true...

it should be similar to the mewtwo/probopass

its a big shaymin-land head in an ice cube saying "no sky form?" or somethin like that

[crimson robin]

Justice for flying banana dinosaur

[spiral musk]

mienshao? 👀

[kind forum]

never herad of them

[spiral musk]

tropius would be sick tho

plusle minun would be the best addition

[glass patio]

imagine they all end up being the last mons to reach 500 to be added

[outer matrix]

"that's right guys, Tropius is finally joining IF after so long"

https://tenor.com/view/tropius-pokemon-gif-27432751

"it's dex number is 49-LMAO"

[glass patio]

[hollow creek]

I wish tropisus had stats

[glass patio]

nah i’d stance change

Wait fuck

That’s aegislash’s ability 💀

shields down

it was shields down

i am sorry guys i am not a true minior fan 😔

[proud bluff]

fake minior fan spotted, bring out the binacles

[glass patio]

[proud bluff]

i want to imagine a world where they add one of plusle or minun and not both

[weak trellis]

pokemon colosseum moment

[gilded pagoda]

In the past, full evos were added before their prevos

Its why some pokemon have their evolved form, then previous forms later in the dex

[weak trellis]

yea hence why the pokedex is so messed up from like 320 to 420

I think the only reverse case is bidoof before bibarel?

[gilded pagoda]

Yeah

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-love-love-you-i-love-you-gif-25494006

[grave jolt]

"I'm sorry, but if you want Minun you'll have to get PIF Blue Version :)"

[full bison]

Tropius is easily one of the coolest designs that got saddled with trash stats

[grave jolt]

Grass types are just kinda not good in general due to a couple weird balencing decisions

[dusty arrow]

i read this as bionicle

https://tenor.com/view/lesovikk-bionicle-rain-guts-berserk-gif-26304165

[dusty arrow]

grass type isnt as bad as people think tbh

[grave jolt]

They're not good.
Not the worst type, but grass generally doesn't help a pokemon.

[dusty arrow]

its still better than bug and ice as much as i hate to say it

[proud bluff]

Ice is at least an offensively strong type

And it helps that the one bug/ice pokemon has a very strong ability

[dusty arrow]

i think the biggest problem with ice type is that gamefreak keeps making defensive ice types

[grave jolt]

Ice is mostly let down by the stats of the pokemon, a glass cannon ice type is great.

Every time there's been a fast ice type it did really well

[proud bluff]

We want to talk a bad type? Rock is right there

[dusty arrow]

it wouldve been so joever if chien-pao got triple axel

HOLT SHIT

HOLY

ARBYS?!

[grave jolt]

Rock is let down by its moves.
7 rock moves have 100% accuracy, only 4 of which exist pre gen 8

[tender plank]

arby looks beautiful

[dusty arrow]

did you know there were only two rock type moves in gen 1

rock throw also had 65% accuracy in gen 1 despite being only 50 power

[proud bluff]

thats double the amount of dragon moves

[dusty arrow]

ah yes

dragon rage

[grave jolt]

Take Diamond Storm, learned by Diancie.
it's 100 power rock move with 95 accuracy and a coinflip chance to boost special attack.

Make its accuracy 100%, take away the boost, and distribute it to a couple rock types.

[dusty arrow]

diamond storm boosts defense, not special attack

[grave jolt]

btw, Carbink should learn diamond storm

[dusty arrow]

50% chance to boost defense by two

[grave jolt]

ffs it was even on the screen...

Sry about that, I'm very tired lmao

[dusty arrow]

fair enough

[proud bluff]

More things should also get accelerock

[dusty arrow]

they didnt even give it to lycanroc midnight bruh

what is lycanroc-midnights signature move??

[white meadow]

My beloved boy torkoal is coming!

So excited

[dusty arrow]

nothing

lycanroc-midnight doesnt have a signatuire move

bruh

[proud bluff]

its so lycanrover

[dusty arrow]

real

[proud bluff]

i guess the balance is because midnight form gets no guard?

who even knows why they did that

[dusty arrow]

that makes no sense

oh.

ok so thats bullshit

lycanroc-midnight gets counter instead of accelerock

to "take advantage of its better defenses"

its really not better

like, yeah 85/75/75 defenses are better than 75/65/65, but its still pretty bad

[grave jolt]

Rock Throw should be 100%, Rock Slide should be 100% accurate, Accelrock should be 60 Power, and Diamond Storm should be 10PP...

[dusty arrow]

why should accelerock be 60 power-

[proud bluff]

Tbh I wouldnt necessarily say rock is let down by its moves. Salt Cure, Stone Axe, Mighty Cleave are all very powerful. They're just limited. And of course, stealth rocks being rock type as a hazard is strong, but theres very few pokemon that are benefitting from having rock as a type

[dusty arrow]

signature move
signature move
signature move

[proud bluff]

Rock and Grass might be the only case where I see it

[dusty arrow]

"not let down by its moves"

[proud bluff]

Like, sure we could say stone edge and rock slide, but those are given. Rock Blast is equivalent to Icicle Spear. Stone edge is more accurate than thunder/blizzard/fire blast, but doesnt have the weather benefits.

[grave jolt]

Imagine a rock version of thunder, where it's 100% accurate in sandstorm

[dusty arrow]

also on the topic of rock being let down movewise

[proud bluff]

Like that would be cool

[dusty arrow]

can we talk about special rock types

they get...power gem

[proud bluff]

yeah we got uhhhhh power gem

[dusty arrow]

and ancient power, i guess..

[proud bluff]

oh oh and meteor beam

[dusty arrow]

oh yeah meteor beam

[grave jolt]

Power Gem, Ancient Power, and Meteor Beam

[dusty arrow]

i guess

also power gem is learned by barely any rock types

[grave jolt]

Meteor beam is gen 8 anyway

[proud bluff]

that said are there any special attacking rock types that dont get power gem?

[dusty arrow]

hisuian arcanine, bastiodon, coalossal, diancie, garganacl, glimmora, iron thorns, magcargo, klawf, minior, probopass, regirock, stonjourner, sudowoodo, and tyranitar

those are all the rock types that get power gem

MOST OF THEM BEING PHYSICAL ATTACKERS

[proud bluff]

nihilego

[dusty arrow]

forgot nihilego and carbink

oops

[grave jolt]

Ancient Power is distributed very poorly too, being almost always fossils (who do benefit) and legends (who do not)

[dusty arrow]

ancient power and such are really only useful on serene grace mons to begin with

[grave jolt]

sheer force/hj

[dusty arrow]

omastar doesnt get power gem

bruh

[grave jolt]

nah sheer force ancient power is terrible

[dusty arrow]

neither does lunatone but uhh

i dont think lunatone is as prevalent as omastar

also aurorus

OH GOD

I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LT SURGE PUZZLE

AAAAA

[gray vine]

imagine not just getting it right away

both my playthroughts i just got it right away

[grave jolt]

Fun fact: whenever you fail the IF Lt Surge puzzle the new first button is always the previous second button

[dusty arrow]

oh cool

[grave jolt]

there should be trubbish in the surge puzzle bins, for fun

I'mma go to bed

[dusty arrow]

alright

seeya

[gray vine]

ngih#

[hollow plume]

I want my good boys. They get no love.

[dusty arrow]

someone pick a number 1-6 and ill send one of the fusions im using in my mono-bug

[proud bluff]

4

[proud bluff]

Thats a banger, Volcarona/Alakazam?

I think i have my team from my monobug run posted somewhere

[gilded pagoda]

That armaldooooo

[dusty arrow]

yep

[proud bluff]

lucked into a shiny wailmer on the way so he had to come with for the rest of the run

now i lost my save data so i'm starting from scratch, so gonna do mono grass

[dusty arrow]

i have a team planned for all of the types lol

[proud bluff]

I don't so I'm not sure how it'll end up looking

But I'm excited

[dusty arrow]

obviously imma do my ghost mono for halloween and ice for christmas

and i think you already know what fusion is gonna be on my mono-ice

[novel frigate]

how do i turn on exp share ?

[dusty arrow]

gotta get it from a scientist in uhh

cerulean i think

[novel frigate]

nah i have it but it doesnt turn on

[dusty arrow]

cerulean pokemon center

oh

[novel frigate]

like it doesnt work

[dusty arrow]

i think its the one where you give it to pokemon then

you have a pokemon hold it

[novel frigate]

alr thanks

[dusty arrow]

aka the original exp share

[gray vine]

why did you ask again

[dusty arrow]

he forgor

[glass patio]

use shedinja

[dusty arrow]

i am

[glass patio]

ok uhhh i gotta gamble to guess shedinja

hmmm

[glass patio]

3

[dusty arrow]

the alakazam/volcarona is in the third spot in my party now

[glass patio]

You should black sludge shedinja yourself, NOW

[dusty arrow]

nah

[gray vine]

mods

[glass patio]

wait what

ohhhh

[gray vine]

lul was just joking about the gif but neat you got hat i emant atleast

[dusty arrow]

if we have moon ball when do we get sun ball

[glass patio]

Can i still send this tho

[glass patio]

oh ok

[dusty arrow]

why did they make gen 5 mons evolve so late buh

LEVEL 59 FOR LARVESTA

[glass patio]

level 41 for litwick 😔

[twin phoenix]

Hydreigon requires 64, I believe.

[glass patio]

I mean iirc litwick is a mon you get late in b&w

[dusty arrow]

yeah, hydreigon is the latest evolving pokemon still iirc

even higher than cosmoem which evolves into literal legendaries

[twin phoenix]

Unova's been weird like that.

[silk narwhal]

Hello chat

[dusty arrow]

hello

[silk narwhal]

Mind checking out #artwork

And letting me know what you think

[twin phoenix]

Pawniard needs 52?! Mienfoo needs 50.

[silk narwhal]

I'd post it here but it's slightly risque

[dusty arrow]

yep

[glass patio]

idk what that is but it looks cool

[silk narwhal]

Yoruichi from Bleach

[dusty arrow]

chat which two of the three elemental punches should i put on my funny bug/normal type

[glass patio]

ice type magipunch

[full bison]

Thunder Punch overlaps the least in terms of coverage

[dusty arrow]

i mean you cant go wrong with electric type + ice type coverage

[glass patio]

Omg icekarp signature move?

[dusty arrow]

real???

[glass patio]

i imagine the ice cube forming an ice fist

[silk narwhal]

Yo what's up Zero

[dusty arrow]

how busted would aegislash be if steel still resisted ghost and dark

[velvet root]

I remember seeing a video about that that also talked about black and whites ecosystem

[glass patio]

and then charging towards the enemy

[velvet root]

nothing much

[silk narwhal]

Do you mind checking out #artwork

[velvet root]

Oh I did
Nice art
I just didnt comment cuz I expected someone whos more of a artistic brain to react

[dusty arrow]

im kinda sad scolipede didnt get in with the sv dlc

scolipede wouldve looked SICK in sv

[silk narwhal]

Thanks man :)

[full bison]

Steelix too

[silk narwhal]

And what do you mean more artistic

You're artistic my man

[full bison]

Imagine Steelix with the reflectiveness of Scizor

especially shiny Steelix

[dusty arrow]

would you like to gamble again to discover the shedinja fusion

[dusty arrow]

real

[velvet root]

Someone who can give more feedback
and not like me who says that it looks cool but isnt a artist

[glass patio]

4

[dusty arrow]

nope

[silk narwhal]

You are an artist though

[velvet root]

Scoli in SV would have been a dream

[dusty arrow]

also ive realized that most speed boost mons are bug type

yanmega, scolipede, and ninjask

[glass patio]

can i do it again

[dusty arrow]

not most, half if you only count full evos

[dusty arrow]

one more

[glass patio]

2

[dusty arrow]

[𝐄𝐗𝐓𝐑𝐄𝐌𝐄𝐋𝐘 𝐋𝐎𝐔𝐃 𝐈𝐍𝐂𝐎𝐑𝐑𝐄𝐂𝐓 𝐁𝐔𝐙𝐙𝐄𝐑]

[glass patio]

Close enough

[dusty arrow]

well yeah it is like

shedinjas brother

[glass patio]

Wait what is it

Ninjask what

[dusty arrow]

ninjask/haxorus

[glass patio]

Ohhhh

That makes sense

It’s a cool sprite

[dusty arrow]

i wish pain upon all the digletts in digletts cave with arena trap

[coral axle]

Same

I hate Diglett dugtrio and wobbuffet

Hate is a strong word I just

Not quite my favorite pokemon

[full bison]

Random Digletts and random Pyukumukus have been the bane of my existence in my Nuzlocke

Stupid Innards Out

[dusty arrow]

woe

poison in the overworld be upon ye

[white meadow]

Oh gods

Overworld damage

The bane of my childhood playing blue version

[stoic canopy]

My 1st random run, route 1 was nothing but litwick/digglet fusions. Nothing like area trap when you can’t hit the other Pokémon

[flint tiger]

sinnoh pikachu clone

that’s all

[unkempt kernel]

Agreed

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

never did like the pikaclone term

very demeaning and also very genwunner sounding and i rather never associate with those

[unkempt kernel]

You can’t trick me lol

Ik that’s a fusion

[humble lance]

not yet
just a base for now

will be used for arceus pikachu tho

[unkempt kernel]

Oh I thought it was pikachu / buneary

[unkempt kernel]

lol

If we get Pach & minior then ik a sprite for their fusion

[dusty arrow]

petition to make it so raichu and pichu can also use light ball

at least in pif

[next flare]

Post petitions in https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/302153790004527104

[dusty arrow]

thank you fletchinder person

[next flare]

You’re welcome vote person

[hot hamlet]

Never understood the item thing. Only example I know of is the Everstone used to do stuff in addition to its game counterpart, but people found it confusing so it was reverted back.
No idea why anyone would want the game items to do more than their game counterparts based on it just generating more confusion

[dusty arrow]

i want light ball to work on raichu because i have a hatred for pikachu

[next flare]

Pikachu is decent, but the over saturation kills any appreciation I could have for it

[unkempt kernel]

You can’t really say pikachu is over saturated, it’s the face of the franchise

Ofc it’s gonna be in every game, or in every poster etc

[outer matrix]

Except it's only found in the post-game in gen 5

[hot hamlet]

Except in BW2 where they made non Gen 5 mons available as part of the main game

[unkempt kernel]

Still in gen 5, and that’s cus gen 5 was a soft reboot

Base BW all non Unova mons were post game

[weak trellis]

Except still in BW2 since I think it was still import only there?

checks* yep, event only or import

I believe those are two of the three maingames you can't get pikachu in at all

(Johto being the third since it's kanto only there)

[unkempt kernel]

I mean that still makes it possible to get naturally in a johto game

[weak trellis]

hence why I said main game

unova's the only one where you need external sources to get it at all

[unkempt kernel]

And with the event / import thing, it’s still possible to get a pikachu in bw2, just takes some extra steps

[weak trellis]

I think even dream world didn't have it outside of events?

[unkempt kernel]

It’s is like nearly 1 am for me

[weak trellis]

fair

[gray vine]

it is 1am for me

[west sonnet]

I gotta believe

[gray vine]

well we just left the oceon

[full bison]

Hey, Relicanth getting in makes more sense than my copium about getting Naganadel or Nihilego

So I'm not gonna judge

[flint tiger]

honestly, it's the best pikachu clone

kinda dumb +/- tail, perfection, flying squirrel with a big tail, cheek things and long tail, looks weird, the tail isn't real, what even is this

[humble lance]

where mimikyu

[unkempt kernel]

It’s not officially a pika clone, it just dresses up to imitate pikachu’s popularity

[prime dust]

its a pikaclone clone

[hollow plume]

When can I have my good boys added? Just imagine furret/mightyena

[coral axle]

Tha baby

[outer matrix]

there's lots of mightyena fans

[inland jewel]

Speaking of how Pikachu was not available in BW, is there a game you couldn’t get Magikarp?

[quaint matrix]

Better than my Skrelp line copium tbh

https://tenor.com/view/skrelp-skerlp-dragalge-pokemon-pokemon-amie-gif-11797438278024889396

I still believe...

[steel meadow]

is magikarp in b/w?

[stoic canopy]

A Pokémon game without magikarp feels wrong…

[full bison]

Meanwhile there's luxray who spent 10 years without being part of a regional dex

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

https://tenor.com/view/no-longer-the-only-skrelp-gif-on-tenor-skrelp-pokemon-gif-10909250424874434427

[stoic canopy]

…should have flipped it upside down.

[quaint matrix]

Damn

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure it isn't in LA

Wait nvm

I'm stupid

[quaint matrix]

It really shouldn't be tbh

[clear lichen]

Uhhhh

[quaint matrix]

Considering Basculin

[clear lichen]

Do Colosseum and XD count

[proud lion]

Feebas is probably what you were thinking

[clear lichen]

No it wasn't

I'm just stupid

But yeah, out of the main series games, Magikarp is available without trading from another game in all of them

I'm pretty sure Colo and XD don't count as main series games

[proud lion]

Psyduck & Magnemite are close contenders

[inland jewel]

Glameow and Purugly haven't been in a regional dex since Diamond and Pearl

While in the pokedex for Platinum, you cannot obtain them

[inland jewel]

which is why i think its high time we got a main-line game where he isn't in a dex

[clear lichen]

Wtf?

Aren't they literally Gen 4 mons?

Wait you're wrong

Glameow and Purugly are in the PL:A dex

And obtainable

[inland jewel]

is legends arceus a mainline game?

[clear lichen]

Same with Luxray

[clear lichen]

Yes

[uneven geyser]

The funny thing about platinum is you get a dusk stone yet you can’t get murkrow or misdreavos

[inland jewel]

its not a side series like Rangers or Mystery dungeon?

[clear lichen]

It's a very different mainline game which would explain why you would think it isn't one, but I'm pretty sure there's many sources that claim it is a mainline game

[inland jewel]

i think its only claiming to be a mainline game since the main pokemon team worked on it

the ones that made the others like Platinum, USUM, BW-BW2, etc

as opposed to side companies like they did with Spike Chunsoft on Mystery Dungeon

[inland jewel]

but see how they ONLY show up in Sinnoh-adjacent regions

the only two games where they're in a regional dex and obtainable is DP and PL:A

and even then, some might not consider PL:A mainline so at most its only DP

Hopefully Gen 10 will bring them back

[hot hamlet]

The Legends series have been stated to be mainline games according to TPC. Or at least Arceus is, possible ZA too but we have literally no info on that.

The reason stated is PLA introduces new Pokémon and regional variants that are used in competitive, therefore not a spinoff.

[hazy fable]

HJDFSGJKHSDJGHKS TORKOAL HAHAHAHHAHAS

[novel bough]

will weather teams be added to expert mode?

[hazy fable]

wdym?

weather abilities is still not fixed iirc

[steel meadow]

some of them works i think

i know my drought worked and solar power probably worked aswell, atleast the self damage part

[clear lichen]

The only weather abilities I know don't work are the weather speed abilities, and I know for a fact that Drizzle works, and I'm assuming the other weather setting abilities would work too

[full bison]

I've made 2 Sandstorm teams and Sand Stream works just fine

[clear lichen]

In fact, I'm pretty sure Drizzle is working like it did in Gen 5, setting an infinite rain, since iirc the rain animation played every turn. I could just be an idiot and misremembering, or it could just be a visual thing

I'll try to check later

[full bison]

Can confirm that's how Sand Stream worked for me

[clear lichen]

I can't rn though

[full bison]

and I imagine it works that way for the other weathers

[quaint matrix]

Wait what weather effects are not working rn

[clear lichen]

AFAIK, the speed abilities and that's it

So Chlorophyll, Sand Rush, Swift Swim and theoretically Slush Rush

Idk if there's currently a Slush Rush mon

[full bison]

No match for Slush Rush in Infinite Dex

But apparently you can get Electrify on Pokemon with Volt Absorb which is ludicrous

[grave jolt]

Jolteon can get Electrify and Volt Absorb

and Jolteon is the 5th fastest pokemon in the game, meaning it almost always goes first

[full bison]

Just about as crazy is Electrify+ Lightning Rod in Doubles on stuff like Raichu

It's basically Follow Me and Protect at once

Crazy stuff like this on a move that repeatedly ends up on "Worst moves in Pokemon" lists

Guess it's useless on Heliolisk specifically

[clear lichen]

I wonder how when there's like 3? 4? Moves that do nothing for battles

Unless you include like their Z move versions and tbf those moves have very strong Z powers

Happy Hour, Celebrate and Hold Hands give an omniboost, Splash gives a +3 Attack boost

Apart from that, the most usage you're getting is Happy Hour increasing the money you get

[full bison]

I think a lot of those lists add the stipulation of ignoring those moves cause it's too obvious

[clear lichen]

Purify is a very niche move

At best

Purify is Pyukumuku's signature move that cures Poison and heals the user for 50%

Problem: Pyukumuku has Recover

So the only time you would ever use this move is if you really don't want your ally to be Poisoned in Doubles

Or if PP is an issue

[full bison]

I guarantee this would be one of the most despised VGC mons, running around with Lightning Rod, Electrify, Tailwind, Screens, Leech Seed, Volt Switch...

[clear lichen]

Maybe if you want to remove base Poison on a Pokemon to apply Toxic or Paralysis or Burn

Or for specifically Flareon

That's like all the niche usages I can see for this move

Doubles, PP, removing Poison for another status or Flareon

And out of those niches, it sucks even in the context of the first 3 and bringing it specifically to fuck over Guts Flareon is just rude

And unnecessary

[grave jolt]

That thing gets spore in IF too

[clear lichen]

Yeah but that gets it despised in Singles as well

Tbf Electrify+Electric Immunity ability is kinda crazy

[full bison]

Literally the only reason Electrify has such a bad rep is because it's on Heliolisk and nothing else

[clear lichen]

It's actually also on Boltund

Which I did not know until checking who tf learns this move

[full bison]

TBF Boltund can't abuse it either

[clear lichen]

Yup

It can't

[grave jolt]

in IF a few pokemon can use it

[clear lichen]

Electivire finally gains a niche

Very nice

Tbf it having mid speed probably interferes with Electrify, but that's what Motor Drive is for

Though, it can't gain damage

So it kinda just becomes an agent of Big Stall

Unfortunate

Think about it, if you already outspeed the opponent, Motor Drive only gives you an immunity and no extra benefit

And for this to work, you need to outspeed the opponent to use Electrify

[full bison]

Stuff like this is what's so fun about this fangame. Such an underutilized move becoming completely busted when given the right fusion to abuse it

[clear lichen]

This is probably more relevant on like a Lightning Rod or Volt Absorb user

Since you actually gain an advantage on the mon you are in against

[grave jolt]

The biggest (non legend) abusers of the move are the Pikachu line, Chinchao line, and Jolteon line since they're the ones who get good boost abilities.

[clear lichen]

Like I said earlier, technically there's Motor Drive on Elekid line

But if you outspeed the opponent

You don't need speed

[grave jolt]

If you outspeed your opponent motor drive is useless, if you're slower Electrify fails

[clear lichen]

Exactly

Man, Electivire can't stop losing

[grave jolt]

I guess it's good if you're being targeted and can't switch easily? but that's just stall at that point.

[clear lichen]

Extra speed can be helpful for the remainder of the opponent's team but if Electivire is forced to abuse Electrify+Motor Drive it probably loses the 1v1 against the opponent, speedy or not

Giving an example, let's put it against Lando-T

Wait does +1 Electivire OHKO Defensive Lando-T with Ice Punch

*-1

-1 252 Atk Expert Belt Electivire Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Landorus-Therian: 202-240 (52.8 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It's Electivover

Anyways, let's say you're in on Lando-T

You try to stall it out with Electrify+Motor Drive

OK, what now?

Wait shit Lando-T runs Earth Power and can't OHKO

Pretend it runs Earthquake instead

While Electrify does out PP Earthquake, there's always such things as yknow

Not using Earthquake

Ig that's at least a mindgame though

So good for it

Ykw Lando-T is not a good example since it runs a singular attacking move on the set that lives Ice Punch

Mb I'm dumb

Well, you do faint to Rocky Helmet+Earth Power

How much PP does Earth Power have?

There's also a worry about being set up on

But I'm overthinking a competitive scenario in #pif-hoenn-discussion so

[grave jolt]

10 pp.

[clear lichen]

So the same as Earthquake

Darn

Well then that's mb Electrify on Electivire actually is a notable difference

Rare Electivire W

[grave jolt]

Electivire beating Landi was not on my list of things I thought could happen

[clear lichen]

-1 252 Atk Expert Belt Electivire Ice Punch vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 278-331 (86.6 - 103.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
The fact that this is only an 18.8% is making me sad

So yeah offensive Lando-T is perhaps too dangerous for the electrify shenanigans

But hey mindgames maybe will save you

[grave jolt]

If you have +1 attack set up already, you only need one motor drive to outspeed a max investment landi-t

[clear lichen]

You actually need 0

Electivire outspeeds Lando-T

So using it to try to stall out Lando-T's PP is valid, but you need to be wary of Lando-T reading you and using another move that isn't Earthquake

Mind gaming

With 100% less Tera!

Ngl Electrify having 20 PP massively adds to the danger on these electric immunity ability mons

If it was something like Sucker Punch's 5 PP, stalling all of them out would be a lot more reasonable

[grave jolt]

and that's 20pp before a pp max

[clear lichen]

So is Sucker Punch's 5 PP

Idk why I even used their pre PP Max PPs

I may be stupid

[grave jolt]

Dang this makes electric stall slightly more technically not impossible in IF

[clear lichen]

Man, if Electrify had wider distribution it'd be terrifying as shit

I wonder how the Pokeathalon players view it

Since they have more experience with IF competitive

And thus, Electrify on Electric Immune mons

[grave jolt]

oh, and Zapdos, Raicu, and Zekrom also get Electrify+Electric immunity

[clear lichen]

What

Wait you're telling me they gave Zapdos, Raikou and Zekrom extra abilities?

[grave jolt]

Raikou and Zekrom get Volt Absorb as an HA in if, and Zapdos gets Lightening Rod as an HA.

[clear lichen]

Ig Zapdos and Raikou make sense

Since those are their Gen 5 HAs

Even though they swapped to different ones

Iirc, Zapdos got Static in Gen 6 and Raikou swapped to Inner Focus in Gen 7

And there are examples of IF not updating outdated HAs

Think Chandelure with Shadow Tag

But Zekrom did not need this

[grave jolt]

Zekrom Buff

[clear lichen]

Well, at least Zekrom apparently doesn't have Dragon Dance yet

Imagine playing a 50/50 game with Zekrom where if you guess wrong, either your progress is reset or you fucking die/get set up on

Oh wait, Zekrom gets Tail Glow

Ykw, 120 SpA is serviceable

I'm actually curious, does Zekrom run physical or special in IF competitive?

Since Tail Glow is very cracked

What does Reshiram get, Flash Fire?

[grave jolt]

Flare Boost

[clear lichen]

Flare Boost on the fire type 💀

Thank god for fusions

Now tbf

Teravolt is a very hard ability to pass up

Even more so with Wonder Guard running around

So I doubt it is worth passing up for Volt Absorb

Wow my brain sucks at phrasing

Ignoring abilities is very nice

Yknow if it wasn't for Teravolt Lugia might be able to live one Zekrom hit

[grave jolt]

Zekrom is also 90 speed, so it's slow enough that electrify isn't going to be gurenteed to be useful.

[clear lichen]

Ubers is generally a slower place

[grave jolt]

true...

[clear lichen]

Since a lot of box arts are around that speed tier

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-pokemon-shiny-abomasnow-curry-shiny-curry-shiny-abomasnow-gif-23295968

[clear lichen]

Not to say there aren't exceptions though

Shiny Abomasnow jumpscare

[proud lion]

How would you feel if it got in the game?

[grave jolt]

Crist that's a lot of weaknesses

[grave jolt]

Ice type 🥳

Not Spheal 😦

[proud lion]

Imagine if it gets the Thick Fat Ability

[clear lichen]

Who is that

[grave jolt]

Zekrom/Deoxys

[clear lichen]

I doubt its defences are doing well either ways then

[grave jolt]

73 def, 83 SP.Def

[clear lichen]

It does have a lot of resistances so maybe it could tank a resisted hit

[clear lichen]

HP?

[grave jolt]

also 83 HP

[clear lichen]

I feel like it'd crumple to most neutral hits in Ubers ngl, but ig it isn't literally 0 bulk

[grave jolt]

Still weak to 7 types of attacks and only gets 1 new resistance 😦

it's not instantly dead to fire, but it's not gonna live long either.

better than soundproof though

[clear lichen]

Soundproof does hold off Kommo-O! Well, until it uses Flamethrower/is a physical set

Uhhh

Why do a lot of sound move users have SE moves against Abomasnow- oh right, 7 weaknesses

Exploud has either Flamethrower or Fire Blast iirc

Or both

And I know it also gets Focus Blast

Swellow has Flying STAB

Toxtricity has Poison STAB

Sylveon has Mystical Fire right?

Oh hey it doesn't!

Volcarona has Fire STAB, yes I'm counting Bug Buzz

Ig it's somewhat useful for Primarina but like

You win that anyways

Noivern has Flying STAB and Flamethrower if it doesn't want to risk Hurricane

Flygon has Flamethrower, but has to watch out for Ice Shard

And Flygon doesn't even run special often

Dudunsparce also has Flamethrower because it is the evolution of an early gen normal type

I dont think Toucannon even runs special outside of RandBats

But it gets Flying STAB and a lot of Fire coverage

Yeah no Soundproof doesn't work on Abomasnow

Yanmega also has Bug Buzz!

But uhh

Flying type

It can't even fend off Frosmoth well, since what is it doing to Frosmoth? Frosmoth does neutral damage with Ice Beam.

Well, it probably can take on like Galvantula

Oh look, Venomoth!

Wait, Sludge Bomb

I think you get the point

[west sonnet]

Imo the main value you get out of soundproof is rarely wasting an opponent’s turn blocking screech

[clear lichen]

Vikavolt also can learn Flash Cannon btw

[west sonnet]

Or similar cases of your opponent just forgetting it exists and wasting a move

[clear lichen]

So that's one possible target not being a possible target

Not to mention, Abomasnow has one other ability

Being yknow

Snow Warning

Abomasnover

[west sonnet]

Like we’ve all clicked bug buzz on a Chesnaught when we were on autopilot

[clear lichen]

It is a neutral move it isn't that bad

Better example would be like uhhh

Aura Sphere

No wait

Pyro Ball

[west sonnet]

I got the abilities mixed up

[clear lichen]

Oh

[west sonnet]

but you get my point

[clear lichen]

Yeah

But hoping they just forget isn't extremely efficient

Especially since if someone sees an Abomasnow, they immediately assume it is Snow Warning

It not being Snow Warning would already catch their attention

And it is likely check what Abomasnow's other abilities are

Only to find out that it only has Soundproof as an alternate ability

Abomasnow may just be the absolute worst user of Soundproof

The ability itself's pretty decent though

Wait, I remembered one sound move user that Soundproof on Abomasnow massively helps against

That being Skeledirge

Whose main Fire STAB and signature move, Torch Song, is expectedly a sound move

Abomasnow learns ground coverage

[rose canyon]

how to evo electabuzz

[clear lichen]

Not related to the discussion, but I think in Infinite Fusion it is a simple level up evolution. At the very worst, you maybe will need the electiriser as well

Usually, you'd need to trade Electabuzz while holding the electiriser but from what I remember, trade evolutions are turned into level up evolutions

[clear lichen]

After all, I'm not one to not answer someone because it isn't related to the channel

Given uhh

Yknow

You could probably just look up

[deft tundra]

yo om not an artist but im playing through rn and slakoth and blissy dont have a sprite? any ideas

[spare shore]

MINIORRR

[molten latch]

Bruh

You already got your Golisopod, isn't that enough?

[clear lichen]

Cope never dies, it simply fades to make a comeback, or changes focus

I'm making shit up

[velvet root]

Im still not a Minio fan

Im still not a Minior fan

[molten latch]

Anyways

Whats poppin

[quaint matrix]

Damn I've been missing theorycraft talks

The person I was talking about this with seems to have their account hacked too lmao ah wewll

[opaque ether]

Poochyena says hello.

[wide merlin]

with torkoal, how much pokemon are missing for to 500 ?

[fathom ridge]

8 ||still a lot of space for vikavolt||

[wide merlin]

or lumineon or gothitelle right ?

[fathom ridge]

There is space for all of them

[rain locust]

add all minior forms as one mon each to use all the space up

[pallid spindle]

Ribombee I hope

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-malevolent-shrine-copium-gif-17048246567311451549

[unique flame]

torkoal came in the day before protection day in spritetober

lunatone,solrock and minior will come a day before cosmic

insane cope

[velvet root]

Can we get this Sunday Gogoat?
Cuz its my bday and me would be happy

[opaque ether]

I'm still huffing the "Mightyena was used as part of a Halloween event in Masters, so maybe Infinite Fusion will be cute and do the same" copium if anyone wants to try some.

[unique flame]

we are having a hallowen event right now with 2 mons protagonizing it

we still have 8 slots left who knows

[velvet root]

Ähm
Gogoat fits to Halloween cuz goat demons
and Demons often have Goat features
and scary Goat monsters
and and aaaaah Goat screams

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-25211034

[unique flame]

what i think we will get
salandit
salazle
dribur
escadrill
grubin
charjabug
vikavolt
minior
tropius(hope not)

the last 2 are blind guesses because i dont know the full ranking

[velvet root]

those are 9 and not 8

[unique flame]

great ignore tropius

[velvet root]

I also dont expect Drilbut cuz someone stated (Frog was it I think) that the anatomy of the line is hell to sprite

[unique flame]

we (thankfully) got gourgeist and torkoal so its not all about the list

well we got jang-o family

but to be fair it was a wining vote

[velvet root]

Thats diffrent cuz they got voted in

[unique flame]

salazle is entering among those 8 100%

[fathom ridge]

I heard that the moderators would rather not deal with the lizard

[unique flame]

why thou

[fathom ridge]

[hollow creek]

Hopes I think have a good shot of getting in:
Malamar
Eelektross
Dragalge
Ludicolo
Zangoo and sevper
Archeops (no 'tooga')
Claydol
Toxicroak
As for one i'd like but probably wont happen:
Castform
Gastrodon
Xurkitree or Blacphalon
Vanilluxe
Cyrogonal
Relicanth
Hippowdon
Excadrill

[fathom ridge]

Excadrill got fourth in the vote tho

[hollow creek]

I shoudlve said "not as likely", i think it can happen

[unique flame]

if the problem is h0rn1 we have gardevoir lopunny and nottomention doing machoke for years

[hollow creek]

especially because we havent gotten a steel type in this update yet

[fathom ridge]

This was my prediction from when it started, I do have to update it

[velvet root]

My only prediction that is wrong atm is getting Torkoal instead of Furfrou

[fathom ridge]

I would have preferred furfrou over Torkoal tbh, but not by much I love the turtle

[hollow creek]

I wont lie I like torkoal way more than furfrou

[fathom ridge]

The main reason I wanted furfrou was for the tophat haircut

[velvet root]

I like Torkoal more too but Furfrou fits the Customization update soooooooooo much better

[velvet root]

good reason!

[west sonnet]

I just want relicanth

[full star]

I just want Malamar or Scrafty

[prime dust]

there is only one reason to add malamar

and that is to break the space time continum by fusing it with hitmontop

[weak trellis]

and also contrary

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/holes-grandpa-thats-too-damn-bad-gif-15698581

[outer matrix]

|| but what about tsareena or pheromosa ||

[full bison]

Nah. They're not cosmic enough

You know what the most cosmic Pokemon in the series are?

UBS BABY LETS GO

[outer matrix]

I wonder how an ultra beast reveal could work for each of them

like how it plays out

[fathom ridge]

New updated list for the last 8

[velvet root]

Me see a Goat

[fathom ridge]

thats a new goat

[velvet root]

yeee

would be funny if we get even more bases today

[inland jewel]

The mons that are in next update:
Gen 3: 1 Line
Gen 4: 0 Lines
Gen 5: 0 Lines
Gen 6: 6 lines
Gen 7: 3 lines

Slots left: 8

[gilded pagoda]

You said it was your birthday Cipher?

[tender plank]

would love if sinnoh and unova got some love this batch

[inland jewel]

Unova and Sinnoh should each get at least one ine

single or two stage even 😦

[glass patio]

Genuinely, peak
Not just because of minior

[gilded pagoda]

I can't even think of sinnoh pokemon that aren't just evos of past pokemon or legends

[fathom ridge]

Maybe I would change ribombee for lilligant or Crustle for unova representation

[inland jewel]

we are getting like 3 fairy lines already

[coral axle]

mm fairy

[glass patio]

i’m working on other meteors but maybe i could do a minigoat it sounds interesting

[fathom ridge]

Does anyone have a handy list with all the new Pokémons for next update confirmed so far?

[weak trellis]

still need more, I think it was either the rarest or second rarest when I was doing monotype

I recall ice and fighting similarly struggling though and dragon having way too much rofl

[gilded pagoda]

meteor goat

[glass patio]

yes

[fathom ridge]

Minior/magnezone is on my to-do list if Minior gets added or you need propaganda

[glass patio]

and maybe gogoat/minior because goat heads r peak

idk if gogoat is too hard to work with

I mean its thread looks very active so surely it can’t be that hard

[inland jewel]

Kommo-o
Lurantis
Carbink
Slurpuff
Gourgeist
Greninja
Chesnaught
Delphox
Torkoal
Golisopod

[glass patio]

srly though 8.7k+ messages is insane

[gilded pagoda]

Goat gang is strong

[velvet root]

Well Saturday is

[gilded pagoda]

I will say happy birthday on Saturday then

[glass patio]

meteor gang isn’t strong 😔