pif-hoenn-discussion

[rain locust]

its bad

[clear lichen]

A massive reason why Blissey is better than Chansey is HDB

[stuck bane]

Ferrothicket, ferrothorn now has an eviolite

[clear lichen]

But I mean having a Rock resist makes that less major

That said, Spikes don't care about your type unless you're a Flying type

[full bison]

Bug/Grass or Rock/Steel LMAO

[rain locust]

no its bug steel

[grave jolt]

Bug/Steel or Rock/Bug

[stuck bane]

Wait is Ferro grass body or steel body somebody said it was steel/grass

[clear lichen]

Gee I wonder which type would be better

[eager quarry]

Used to be steel grass in if but they switched it back to grass steel

[eager quarry]

A lot of the if specific type swaps got reverted in a patch

[stuck bane]

Was trev reverted too? Idr if it ever was

[grave jolt]

?tag map

[opal trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302153478556352513/1283004823255646209/map_6.2.3.png?ex=66e16ada&is=66e0195a&hm=6cf9f75140e84ef5bac3d07ecfc8a8b6b7677eee3e401592d21fcef391c956fb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=917&height=702

[full bison]

Let's get Swoobat in here, just completely ruin the meta with Simple accessibility that comes with free Stored Power

[clear lichen]

Trevenant's type being swapped throws me off so hard

Especially since Phantump's wasn't

[grave jolt]

ooh new map tag

[clear lichen]

And if someone tells me to look at their names one more time I am gonna lose it

Because last I checked, Volcarona isn't Fire/Bug

[rain locust]

fire bug volc goes craazy

[full bison]

To be fair Corona makes as much sense as Volcano for Fire

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/corona-beer-ice-cold-beer-chill-cold-gif-13320447

[clear lichen]

The JP name would make more sense with this ordering

[grave jolt]

Vulpix/Volcarona (Vulcarona)

[rain locust]

Water

[clear lichen]

And Pokemon is made in Japan

[stuck bane]

Volcanion volcarona?

[clear lichen]

I think it's clear that they aren't giving their Pokemon types that match with their name orderation

[grave jolt]

Water/Fire Volcarona

[stuck bane]

F

Worth a shot

[rain locust]

the caca

[stuck bane]

Could’ve been a funny name trick

[clear lichen]

Would Volcanion/Volcarona be named Volcarona

[grave jolt]

Swap it naybe?

[rain locust]

volcanrona

[clear lichen]

Sad

[stuck bane]

If Volcanion ever gets added and I encounter this in a randomizer, I’m naming it the caca

[hexed agate]

I have returned with facts

[stuck bane]

Let’s hear em

[half needle]

penguins are extinct

[half needle]

THE CHARTTT

[full bison]

Volc being primary Bug is definitely good for balance but even then you still get stuff like Fairy/Fire Togerona where Serene Grace turns Firey Dance into a buffed Torch Song

[hollow creek]

Wishiwashers... were washed...

[half needle]

i like wishiwashi

[clear lichen]

Kartana detected in top tier, automatically based

[grave jolt]

[full bison]

Wishiwashi would be fun to work with, even if it's held back by it's ability. And before you mention Slaking, Wishiwashi without Schooling is weaker than Sunkern

[clear lichen]

I love the tiny origami skyscraper destroying minmaxed to hell and back UB

[stuck bane]

Not the worst list in the world, at the very least Furfrou doesn’t belong down there otherwise opinions are subjective

[rain locust]

respectable list

[stuck bane]

But all the top tier options are def S tiers

[clear lichen]

I also like the bomb clown

[hexed agate]

glad I could bring truth to this world

[clear lichen]

Blacephalon's boutta get banned in 10 seconds

[rain locust]

yes

[hexed agate]

POV: 🤯

[clear lichen]

Tbf Kartana probably would as well

[half needle]

rock head mind blown

[clear lichen]

But Mind Blown is funnier than big attack

[hexed agate]

Magic Guard

easiest Alakazam fusion

[rain locust]

kart would be banned on arrival

[half needle]

real

[full bison]

Kartana and Nihilego would be amazing fusion heads if people hold back on making every Nihilego fusion a Motherbeast reference

[half needle]

idk what motherbeast is so i can do that

[clear lichen]

UBs are all minmaxed, but not extremely optimally

[stuck bane]

Is there any UB that wouldn’t be banned on arrival?

[grave jolt]

🙂

[clear lichen]

After all, if they were minmaxed optimally, Kartana wouldn't have 131 defence

[hexed agate]

cries in Guzzlord

[clear lichen]

And Blacephalon wouldn't have 127 attack

[grave jolt]

they had to be prime numbers

[clear lichen]

Yeah but if they wanted to be optimal they'd swap those stats into like

Speed

[hexed agate]

they're all different from each other too

[hollow creek]

what about stakataka

[full bison]

Motherbeast is what happened when ||Nihilego posessed and fused with Lusamine in Sun/Moon||

[clear lichen]

Guzzlord is minmaxed in the absolute worst way imaginable

[rain locust]

stakataka, buzzwole, nihilego, celesteela

[hollow creek]

[clear lichen]

Almost everything into HP

[hollow creek]

oh wait nvm

[half needle]

oh i see

[clear lichen]

Extremely dogshit defences as the "min"

[hollow creek]

StakaW

[stuck bane]

Makes sense, if carbink is allowed defensively UBs would be too

[clear lichen]

Would Guzzlord be banned? I struggle thinking of what it could do that'd be broken

[hexed agate]

no way Cele stays but Kart goes

[rain locust]

oops i forgot that guy existed

[clear lichen]

Damn

[grave jolt]

Is funny

[rain locust]

fake

[half needle]

the funny

[clear lichen]

But yeah I think I agree with this

+Guzzlord

[rain locust]

gambit if he was good

[clear lichen]

Stakataka is the most dubious out of those ones though since it is a steel type with high bulk

[rain locust]

of course kart would be banned to ag so thisd be a bad set

[clear lichen]

But I'm just completely unable to think of whether it'd be banned or not

So ykw that counts

[rain locust]

staka could be suspected

[clear lichen]

Stakataka is definitely the most ambiguous of the UBs in terms of how broken it is

In a fusion format I mean

[stuck bane]

Staka actually had a big crowd during the first main vote, but then it seemed to die down

[full bison]

Naganadel is destined for Ubers hell forever, I see. Especially sad now that it has Eternatus looming above it.

[clear lichen]

Stakataka has a similar concept to Wishiwashi except they aren't stupid enough to seperate

[hexed agate]

we got Staka at home
Staka at home: Palossand

[stuck bane]

Yeah that could’ve been part of the reason too

For spriters at least

[full bison]

In terms of design, I'd be most interested to see what could be done with Nihilego, Naganadel, Xurkitree, Guzzlord, and Blacephalon

Buzzwole and Pheromosa are cool too IG but I don't see what they would add that isn't provided by Machoke and Gardevoir

[hollow creek]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-gif-9674416

[full bison]

And people say Xurkitree has no personality. Look at him go.

[clear lichen]

He looks very happy about something

I wonder what it is

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-happy-walking-cool-gif-27064974

[full bison]

Xurkitree when it sees a power plant:

[clear lichen]

Btw why did they give this mf Tail Glow

[hollow creek]

reminds me of the meme of the chik fil a dude frolicking around and the caption is "I just want my fries dude 😭 "

[clear lichen]

What is supposed to be its tail

And why did they think it needed more SpA

[hot hamlet]

Live wires

[clear lichen]

Xurkitree's main issue is speed

[full bison]

Xurk is just a Special Attacking Rampardos

[clear lichen]

Except Xurkitree doesn't have speed so low it can't even be a remotely viable scarfer

And STAB that is strong and accurate

And is less pathetic defensively

That last one isn't too hard to be

[rain locust]

had z hypnosis too

[full bison]

Now I'm imagining Xurk getting added with Swoobat. Simple Tail Glow Stored Power for maximum funny brokenness lol

[clear lichen]

Lol

That's true

[hollow creek]

for as much as I wouldnt want all 4 tapus at once, the surge abilities would be really fun to work with

[clear lichen]

Sadly, Rising Voltage and Expanding Force don't exist yet

[rain locust]

lele and koko would be banned probably immediately

[clear lichen]

That'd be funny

[clear lichen]

Probably true

Even without those moves

[full bison]

Bulu could finally get complimentary STAB so it might need a suspect

[rain locust]

1.5 elec and psychic along with higher spe/spa respetively

[grave jolt]

I love gambling

[clear lichen]

Tapu Bulu didn't have its job stolen yet

How nice

[clear lichen]

Quick Claw Aqua Jet boutta go crazy 🚒

Bro

Discord just put the firetruck over the fire emoji

I've never used the firetruck emoji

What

[grave jolt]

[trail hull]

now that I'm free from diglett I finally managed to do what I wanted

[rain locust]

chespin was beheaded due to being a french royalist

[clear lichen]

Ykw, now that I think about it

[full bison]

the only alternative for Surgers besides the Tapus is either waiting for Gen 8 to be added or changing some hidden abilities around like with Delibird

[clear lichen]

Firetrucks do often come with hoses

And hoses spray jets of water

[full bison]

If that happens I vote Sunflora for Grassy Surge

[velvet root]

We need a triple kalos joke alt of waving a white flag

[rain locust]

sunflora is so bad it wouldnt be viable even with gsurge

if gogoat were added itd be somewhat interesting to give it gsurge

[velvet root]

Frog only changes abilitys if a mon has 2 that do the same (Delibird for example) or doesnt have a Hidden ability (Flygon)

[velvet root]

I had great runs with Sunflora in my team
It even carried once

[clear lichen]

Does Chandelure having an ability reversion to an ability it could never get legally get count

[trail hull]

you mean blue , red and
white

[grave jolt]

God I'm gonna need the wooper line fusions for the kalos starters

[grave jolt]

Turn that frown upside down!

[velvet root]

White

[rain locust]

doesnt change the fact that its outclassed by the likes of bellossom

[trail hull]

why

[rain locust]

Beheaded

[full ether]

French Moment

[velvet root]

Skill issue

[clear lichen]

Casually, almost any Pokemon works

Competitively, yeah good fucking luck using Sunflora

[velvet root]

Good flower

[clear lichen]

Grass/Steel is so goated

[full bison]

My mind immediately thought that the lower sunflower was Sunflora rubbing it's face against the Klinklang gear

[clear lichen]

That said, outclassed by base Ferroseed

PU at best

[velvet root]

So I shouldnt say it was the MVP

[rain locust]

this just proves you can use anything in casual

[clear lichen]

If you can sweep elite 4s with singular shitmons, that makes them MVPs

Like I said, anything works in a playthrough

[grave jolt]

imagine being outclassed by Ferroseed as a fully evolved fusion

[full bison]

What could we even use as Surgers if we aren't allowed to replace Non-redundant Hidden Abilities?

[clear lichen]

Yknow if it gets Synthesis it may be better than Ferroseed

Does it get Spikes or something

Like some hazard it can set

[clear lichen]

Idk

[rain locust]

eelektross if it gets in

[clear lichen]

Give Pyukumuku Misty Surge since Pincurchin looks similar and gets Electric Surge fr

[rain locust]

or vikavolt

[velvet root]

Dont take me wrong but Competetiv players are annoying
Its always like "that fusion was fun and did a lot" and they start saying "this is better" "nah its shit" "a baby mon is better" like bro why XD

[clear lichen]

(One is a sea cucumber and one is a urchin but I only said look similar, not have similar biology)

[rain locust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/s/9haYK7iZA0

[clear lichen]

Nah I only say that if someone insists that the Pokemon they used is great when it isn't

For example, I saw someone saying Abomasnow was better than Ferrothorn once

Which is just straight misinfo

[rain locust]

ur the one who replied to me as i was saying sunflora was unviable

[full bison]

Give Ferrothorn Grassy Surge, totally not OP

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/based-kneel-dark-souls-gif-24182729

[silk narwhal]

Hello chat

[clear lichen]

Practically giving Ferrothorn a ground resist with free Leftovers since most Grounds use Earthquake

Pretty funny ngl

[full bison]

But seriously Claydol with Psychic Surge could be neat, maybe Gengar with Misty Terrain because Gastly is smog?

[velvet root]

Cuz Unviable means for me that its good for nothing qwq

[clear lichen]

Misty Terrain is more so just pure mist

[velvet root]

Like a Magikarp with everstone

[clear lichen]

And not dirty smog

[rain locust]

yea cause it is

[clear lichen]

At least that's the impression I'm getting with its users being a water purifier and an air purifier

[grave jolt]

Imagine Chesnaught with Grassy Surge

[clear lichen]

People have beaten Pokemon with only Magikarp

Try something like uhhh

Uhhhhhhh

Yeah I got nothing

[rain locust]

cosmog

[grave jolt]

Only Shedinja

[clear lichen]

... True

[full bison]

Beat Gen 3 with nothing but the regis. Can't be that hard, they're all legendaries

[clear lichen]

Simply item abuse on a bad lead or something idfk

[clear lichen]

Apart from HM usage, probably still shouldn't be too bad

Especially since Gen 3 is the best generation for the regis

They were actually getting OU usage

[grave jolt]

IF but only Shedinja/Ninjask

[velvet root]

-.-
F it, I know it did good in my Nuzlock so im fine with Sunflora

[clear lichen]

Would be funny

Tbf, you won't literally only be able to take one hit

[full bison]

The joke was that as starters they only have Self Destruct, so if you chose a Regi as a starter in Gen 3 you'd be softlocked because you'd black out before beating the rival fight and therefore never get Pokeballs

[clear lichen]

Effectively though, fusing 2 Pokemon with piss poor bulk is gonna make a fusion with piss poor bulk

[grave jolt]

20 HP, sooo...

[full bison]

Or past the footprint guy

[clear lichen]

Regis implies multiple

So if you like picked one as a starter and cheated in the other 2 because otherwise how tf do you do a Regis only run

[grave jolt]

All 6 Regis

[clear lichen]

When you only have 1 regi

Then I'd assume you can take turns killing yourself and switch training until you get a move

Though ig a 1 regi only run would be impossible without some sort of glitch

[velvet root]

I mean there are explosion only runs

[full bison]

Are any of those Gen 3?

[clear lichen]

I'd assume they use revives

Because winning with Explosion is a loss

So in an early game setting, that's not feasible

Tbf that does mean you can trade with trainers with less mons than you

And before Gen 5, Explosion halved the opponent's defence

So you're gonna be trading usually

Worst case scenario against a Ghost type you like idk struggle if that's allowed

Or Scrappy

Is there a Scrappy exploder?

[full bison]

Pretty sure Selfdestruct still blows you up if faced with a Ghost

Damp is what stops the exploding

[clear lichen]

And also I'm not aware of how people would do Explosion runs bit if it's specifically Explosion as the only damaging move, then there are moves that removes the immunities

[clear lichen]

Lower your PP outside of the trainer battle, using Revives to heal up

[grave jolt]

Fun Fact: there's 2 Scrappy pokemon in IF.

Miltank and Kangaskhan

[rain locust]

2 crappy pokemon in if

[stuck bane]

Doesn’t goro get scrappy too?

[rain locust]

not in if

[stuck bane]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t, it’s not in yet and it’s Pangoro’s HA

[clear lichen]

That's why it's not in IF

Because it isn't in IF

[stuck bane]

Fair

[clear lichen]

Bro I need to stop typoing

Why does autocorrect activate falsely all the time but when it is actually needed it does nothing

What is the best scrappy mon

[stuck bane]

https://pokemondb.net/ability/scrappy

[clear lichen]

I cant really make any direct comparisons between my candidates since they aren't available in the same generation

Afaik

Wait actually let me check

[hexed agate]

Exploud or Swellow with their boomburst

[clear lichen]

Yup not available in the same gen

Wanted to compare Flamigo with the other scrappy mons

But only it and H-Decidueye are scrappy mons available in SV

Flamigo is comparable to Staraptor though in terms of how good it is and Staraptor has had a better history than the scrappy mons in general

Well kinda

Depends on whether you think BL hell is better than being a low tier

Flamigo can't be added tbf

Going off old gens, it is probably between Pangoro, Exploud, and Swellow, none of which are good in higher tiers

Well, unless you include Mega Lopunny

[grave jolt]

BL hell just means you're never gonna get used

[clear lichen]

But that's like comparing a infant to a martial artist

[full bison]

Scrappy is one of those abilities like Simple where you can tell gamefreak is terrified of it, only giving it to Pokemon they're confident won't make the best of it

Then again they gave a variation of that to freaking Bloodmoon Ursaluna so who knows what goes on in their heads

[hexed agate]

normal + fighting w/ scrappy hits everything neutral

[clear lichen]

A lot of abilities are like that, aren't they

[hexed agate]

huge power

[clear lichen]

Scrappy, Simple, Tinted Lens, Huge Power, heck even abilities like Magic Bounce and Speed Boost aren't extremely well distributed

Though both Magic Bounce and Speed Boost have great users

There's also Magic Guard where it kinda feels like the only reason the users aren't shitmons is because of the ability sometimes

[full bison]

Stakeout is a big one in my eyes too. Nothing that has that ability is something people would feel intimidated enough to switch out on any of the Mons that have it

Like, who's switching out against a Gumshoos or Spidops?

[clear lichen]

True, Stakeout on an actually strong Pokemon would be pretty scary

The closest we have is like

Mabosstiff

[hollow creek]

Gumshoos has all great abilities now that I look

[clear lichen]

You cannot convince me anyone is scared of Thievul

[hollow creek]

Stakeout strang jaw AND adaptability

dragalgae and basculin also have adaptability for some reason

[clear lichen]

Now tbf, a lot of these strong abilities I'm listing are ones that can singlehandedly carry the user instead of being just great

Tinted Lens is definitely one of those that can't just bring a low tier shitmon to OU but is still great though

[full bison]

Adaptability is the big reason that Porygon Z is almost broken despite simultaneously not being that good

It's such an odd position that guy's in

[clear lichen]

I need to point out that Tinted Lens made Venomoth a terror in lower tiers in the past

Fucking

VENOMOTH

Who has 90 SpA and Speed as its best stats

[full bison]

Venomoth is also carried by Quiver dance to be fair, but yeah Tinted Lens can take a mon far

Just look at Lokix terrorizing UU despite mid stats

[hexed agate]

Tinted Lens ruins everything it touches

[clear lichen]

Venomoth is like the 4th best Quiver Dancer that has to say something

I mean sure it isn't the absolute best but hey

Its stats are atrocious and its type isn't good either

[full bison]

What's the third best Quiver Dancer? Cause I know Oricorio popped off with it

And Volc goes without saying

[clear lichen]

Idk I was thinking something like Volcarona, Oricorio, maybe Ribombee?

Would Ribombee be a better Quiver Dancer?

Hard to tell since its mainly used for webs

Idk

[fossil laurel]

Butterfree and Vivillion are some kinda insane quiver dancers due to compound eyes sleep powder letting them get consistent set ups

[clear lichen]

Ig Pheromosa exists but like

Your ass is NOT getting a Quiver Dance off with those defences

[fossil laurel]

They really need focus sash + setup support however to get the free turn to click sleep powder though

[full bison]

Man I wish Vivillon had better stats. It's so close to being good

[ember bear]

phero has qd?

what

[clear lichen]

Yup

It is probably the frailest of the fully evolved mons with Quiver Dance

[fossil laurel]

It really is, it just needs a tiny buff to really pop off, quiver dance + Sleep powder + hurricane with a coverage move is an insane moveset with compound eyes making everything accurate

[clear lichen]

Which says a lot about how frail it is

[fossil laurel]

non hisuian lilligant is another quiver dancer who is super close to being good, it just needs some goddamn non grass moves to do anything with and it would be amazing

[full bison]

Own Tempo Quiver Dance Petal Dance was so fun to abuse in my BW Playthrough

[clear lichen]

A lot of Quiver Dancers are close to being good

[fossil laurel]

which is why victory dance hisuian lilligant blows it out the water, since it gets all the coverage it could ask for between axe kick, triple axle, etc

[clear lichen]

Quiver Dance is partially why

Quiver Dance is such an amazing move

[fossil laurel]

Or Frosmoth who just needs actual stats and to not suffer the curse of gamefreak making bulky ice types for some godforsaken reason, Ice Scales is amazing, but its not enough for its ass tier typing

[clear lichen]

I love how Pheromosa has so many good options

But can use barely any of them

[full bison]

Oricorio jumped up like 4 tiers just by getting that move and also a fun quirk to Revelation Dance

[fossil laurel]

Tera revelation dance is such a hilarious gimmick

[clear lichen]

Do you have any idea how many mons would kill for moves like Quiver Dance, Rapid Spin, Taunt, Roost, Ice coverage etc

[wet cliff]

imagine a contary pokemon with like

[clear lichen]

And Toxic after Gen 7

Which it apparently gets according to Smogon

For some reason

[full bison]

Contrary is such a fun ability to use, it's a shame most Pokemon with it only have like one move that capitalizes on it

Serp has Leaf Storm, everyone else with Contrary is given Superpower, and that's about it

So much crazy stuff you could do with it is just not available

[ember bear]

hey lurantis has both 🔥

[fossil laurel]

Contrary Close Combat on a bulky physical mon would be so hilarious, cosmic power + damage

[fossil laurel]

If only Lurantis wasnt from goddamn Alola and had actual stats to boost lmao

[clear lichen]

If only any of the contrary users had actual stats to boot

Except Serperior since Serperior actually has decent bulk and good speed

That's about the end of good stats on contrary users

[full bison]

I just realized that because V-Create is available at a Move Expert, Lurantis/Entei fusion is about to have Contrary V-Create

[fossil laurel]

The ugly ass female genie has good stats and contrary, but gets no real moves to boost with lmao

[full bison]

That's horrifying

[clear lichen]

Oh right Enamorus has Contrary and no moves to abuse it...

Apart from Superpower LMFAO

[fossil laurel]

Put it with a mon with drought and go ham with Solar Blade + V Create and a choice scarf to give it usable speed

[stuck bane]

Unless frog planned ahead and victini is one of the last 15 slots (could make a good number 500)

[fossil laurel]

And goddamn Stellar Tera lmao

[full bison]

I still think that combo would be OP

[rain locust]

worse superpower

[clear lichen]

True honestly, we love boosting Attack with a 120 BP move

[stuck bane]

It would, overheat at least I think, but v-create isn’t a guarantee on it

Likely? Probably

[fossil laurel]

boosting both defences can be pretty valuable, going contrary close combat + drain punch with some coverage could be a solid baseline for an assault vest mon imo

[clear lichen]

I love how Tera Stellar isn't even the undisputed best Tera on Serperior since it has so much power and coverage issues that it kinda needs SE targeting

[rain locust]

no without atk boosts you dont actually break through walls

drain punch esp with no atk boosts deals 0 and heals 0

[stuck bane]

Yeah instead you become a wall (the opponent is about to use roar )

[fossil laurel]

fair point, and i guess ass vest gives the needed special bulk, i just wish contrary super power wasnt the only move ever used with it besides serperior holding down the leaf storm button lmao

[fossil laurel]

Serperior with Draco Meteor would have been so neat, it even looks like a dragon

[stuck bane]

Alas, not this time unless there’s the impossible chance 9/15 of the last slots are unova starters

[full bison]

Draco Meteor isn't even in IF

As far as I can tell

[stuck bane]

Oh wait yeah I’m thinking of the outrage guy from crimson city

[fossil laurel]

If only, dragon types are starving with only 1 nuke button move lmao

[velvet root]

Whos that fusion

[fossil laurel]

The perfect red headed stepchild, its even shaped like a football for maximum kickability

[velvet root]

Talking about it
Only 6 more Sprites to go

[half needle]

cryo deniers are SEETHING right now

[half needle]

gabite/quilladin?

[velvet root]

Now Sprite it

[velvet root]

Yes

[deft obsidian]

:0

[velvet root]

2 weird ass Middle evos fused

[half needle]

i will if cryo gets added

[velvet root]

Any Ideas for the last 6?

[stuck cave]

Hot take, I wouldn't mind Cryo being added

[half needle]

idk what the goal is but i like glaceon so one should include glaceon

[velvet root]

I can see the good spriters making absolute masterpieces while the less good ones (me too) would create dog shit

[half needle]

yeah some pokemon are just marmite so its rare to get an "eh" reaction

[dark prism]

I just really don't see what cryo brings to the table in terms of fusion designs that other ice types don't

[stuck cave]

Cryogonal is like, ice type Unown

[ember bear]

cmon gabite isn't that bad

[half needle]

but its so coooool.....

[stuck cave]

Regice but edgier

[stuck bane]

Cryogonal is the next highest sp def we can get without Florges or diancie

[ember bear]

speed

and

[stuck bane]

And cryo has other fun stuff too

[ember bear]

that's it ig

but then again that's all an ice type really needs

speed 🔥

[stuck cave]

What takes what again for head and body

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah it is fast unlike most ice types

[stuck cave]

In terms of stats

[stuck bane]

Head is hp sp atk sp def, body is atk def speed

[stuck cave]

Cryo heads stacked

[stuck bane]

If you ever forget, remember Durant is perfect for body fusions and look up its stats

[stuck cave]

Cryo body? Ehh, its fast

[velvet root]

It is

[velvet root]

So its a no?

[inland jewel]

make one with Starmie

[velvet root]

How the hell would I do shit with Starmie?

[inland jewel]

Starmie's spikes on Kommoo

[hollow creek]

Starmie/Delphox 🤔

[inland jewel]

Chesnaught works too

alternatively Greninja throwing mini staryus

[velvet root]

Its more a
Idk how to make a fusion with this sea star

[inland jewel]

theres plenty of ideas you can use for Starmie,

[hollow creek]

Ngl i think chesnaught is going to have the best sprites of the 3 starters once we give it a few months

[velvet root]

Can you guys show some examples how to use it

[hollow creek]

ive never done a starmie body

[velvet root]

Hes top tier for fusions designe wise

[inland jewel]

as if you can't just look up starmie fusions

[stuck cave]

Over the Wizard Fox?

[hollow creek]

Over the wizard fox fr fr

[inland jewel]

but definitely starmie can get good fusions

[wet cliff]

i love starmie

[velvet root]

Starmie feels complicated

[hollow creek]

It is

The shading on the golden ring is the hardest for me

Ive only done one and that part was the hardest

[inland jewel]

its literally just like Carbink and Metagross

[rain locust]

[terse fable]

bonk

https://tenor.com/view/diancie-mythical-pokemon-carbinks-carbink-funny-gif-7190192779986841847

Diancie is us at carbonk

[vestal wharf]

we got 15 mons and only 13 left

[silk narwhal]

15 left

Not 13

[vestal wharf]

no?

487/500

[silk narwhal]

There's a gap

[vestal wharf]

oh

[unkempt kernel]

We have the 2 unknowns still

[silk narwhal]

Between kommo-o and fomantis

[vestal wharf]

HUH

[terse fable]

ez

[vestal wharf]

lemme check rq

[terse fable]

amooguss

[unkempt kernel]

Please god please gib the squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[terse fable]

dont worry gamers solved the puzzle

mushroom

[vestal wharf]

pls be zigzagoon or croagunk

oh

fuck

[terse fable]

nah idk tho more likely we get runner ups from polls n maybe a troll add

[silent acorn]

OH MY GOD

[vestal wharf]

what

[silent acorn]

IT'S CARBINK

[terse fable]

[silent acorn]

It is tho

Lol

To be honest

Expectation is probably Friday

[vestal wharf]

wait so gap between 473-476 is missing

[silent acorn]

Yeap

Those are indeed missing

That's why people say there might be 15

[vestal wharf]

474 and 475 better be croagunk bro

[terse fable]

yea doubt we get any reveals in the middle of the week

[silent acorn]

Instead of 13

[rain locust]

[silent acorn]

Not probable

May be legends

[vestal wharf]

😦

[terse fable]

amooguss

[vestal wharf]

legends?

[terse fable]

thats what it is

[vestal wharf]

oh right

legendaries

[silent acorn]

They did say they would save them for something special

[vestal wharf]

sorry im too focused on the new legends game coming out lol

even tho its like in 2025

[silent acorn]

Something they would decide at their discretion

Seems plausible

[vestal wharf]

ok but back on topic here its gonna be a legendary?

[terse fable]

prob Diancie

[silent acorn]

Or may be a different special line

[vestal wharf]

i dont like legendaries being added but diancie is ok

bc carbink was added

[terse fable]

And i'd like to think blacephalon

[silent acorn]

They forbade us from picking legendaries and specials

[terse fable]

but who knows

[silent acorn]

Could be a duo

[vestal wharf]

ultra beasts are also probable

[silent acorn]

Hence 2

Or one special and then a different one

Could be anything really

[terse fable]

or one legend one mythical/ultra

[vestal wharf]

if its another starter (which probably wont be right) idk how to feel

oh wait 2 slots

cant be 9 mons

[silent acorn]

Nope

[terse fable]

or none of those at all and just a 2 stage line loll

[silent acorn]

Has to be two for the mystery gap to make sense

[vestal wharf]

its either a stage 2 line or 2 stage 1 lines

[silent acorn]

And then the 13 others are supposedly regular ones

With maybe a special hidden in there

[unkempt kernel]

Or zangoose + Serviper

[terse fable]

that would be hype

[vestal wharf]

i almost said type:null but idk what kinda mon that is

[unkempt kernel]

Or troll adds of the gen 3 pikaclones

[unkempt kernel]

It’s technically a legend

[terse fable]

tha would be unhype

[vestal wharf]

wait remind me which ones are they again?

plusle and minun?

[silent acorn]

It's a single one technically

But also

Evolves

[unkempt kernel]

Plusel and Minun

[silent acorn]

Technically

[vestal wharf]

they are already in the game?

or maybe i missed them

[silent acorn]

To me type null feels wasteful

[unkempt kernel]

No

[silent acorn]

One of them it's basically the same as the other

[vestal wharf]

wow man

[silent acorn]

Save the mask

I mean

[vestal wharf]

u just hurt all of the oricorio fans out there

[silent acorn]

2

[silent acorn]

Actually love oricorio

[unkempt kernel]

Oricorio changes visually

[silent acorn]

But I don't really care for mon lines that look basically same on two stages

[vestal wharf]

idrc about type null oricorio fusion cuz we got greninja

[unkempt kernel]

Type null just loses the mask upon evo

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/oricorio-yellow-cheerleader-bird-red-elegant-bird-dancing-duo-strike-a-pose-gif-17255707958326555374

[vestal wharf]

true

oricorio was a good pick last year ngl

[terse fable]

oricorio is so cute

good mon

[silent acorn]

Yeah could the evo be any lamer?

[vestal wharf]

which oricorio do u guys like

[terse fable]

happy me

[unkempt kernel]

B-but Sensu is a cool kabuki dancer or geisha iirc

[silent acorn]

Sensu

[vestal wharf]

i prefer pom pom

[tender plank]

I think I like Pom-Pom the most

[unkempt kernel]

Sensu
Balie
Pompom
Pa’u

[silent acorn]

Honestly the Oricorios were a good idea by frog

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/oricorio-pa'u-style-shiny-pokemon-slow-dance-pokemon-sun-and-moon-gif-12875667502450332827

[silent acorn]

Different types

[vestal wharf]

fr bro always let frog cook

[silent acorn]

Different designs

[terse fable]

i like pink

[silent acorn]

On the same mon

[silent acorn]

He supposedly hates dogs, tho I don't see it

[vestal wharf]

alr but which mon could those 2 be

[vestal wharf]

WHAT?

wait he loves frogs right?

[silent acorn]

Supposedly

Take it with a grain of salt

[unkempt kernel]

Pa’u is at the bottom of my list cus I haven’t used it much but I used the other 3 forms a lot more

[vestal wharf]

what mons do yall think the last 15 would be

[terse fable]

Minior prob one

[vestal wharf]

also theres gonna be a new triple fusion

[terse fable]

uhh prob runner ups like Goli

[vestal wharf]

wait guys i got a question

bruxish was bottom 3 last year right?

[unkempt kernel]

Anything but the pod

[vestal wharf]

what made the mods+ want to add it in?

[terse fable]

troll add

basically

[vestal wharf]

oh

[terse fable]

aslo just big for spriters

they liked it

[vestal wharf]

wjat?

[terse fable]

and I'm glad it got added

[vestal wharf]

am i the only spriter that hated it?

[terse fable]

no others did too lol

[tender plank]

Tirtouga
Carracosta
Archen
Archeops
Skiddo
Gogoat
Furfrou
Minior
Relicanth
Drilbur
Excadrill
Snover
Abomasnow
Wimpod
Golisopod
(Too lazy to send the image rn)

[terse fable]

but there was a voice for people who liiked it as well

n pretty big one

[vestal wharf]

no one has hopes for croagunk?

😭

[silent acorn]

There are a few things that could be the troll add and fill the two spaces

[unkempt kernel]

As long as I get the squirrel I’m happy

[terse fable]

amooguss

[tender plank]

It's in my top 10 honorable mentions, and could be sotched with Abomasnow for me tbh

[silent acorn]

Namely Illumise, Volbeat. Patrat line and Watchog Line.

[terse fable]

I'm calling it man

I KNOW Amooguss is coming

it's just fact

we need to accept it now

[silent acorn]

I dont see it honestly

Problem is

[vestal wharf]

amoonguss...

[silent acorn]

Amononguss is actually wanted

[vestal wharf]

wait who voted 3 on amoonguss?

ima go check rq

[terse fable]

All evidence points to sus

[tender plank]

Eh, we have mushrooms already. Although I'm indifferent to Foongus i think

[unkempt kernel]

Can’t remember what I gave the moongus, might have been a 1 or 2

[silent acorn]

I could imagine myself doing it if I didn't have my other picks

[unkempt kernel]

Or I gave it a 3 cus of funny

[terse fable]

500k sign? sus. The colors and diff ones dissappearing? sure they say starters, but that's a lot like amongus n someone getting voted out cause they're sus

I'm telling you I'm reading between the lines, smelling the code

[stuck bane]

Pretty sure oricorio was a request from kiwi, but other than that yeah frog made the forms work

[vestal wharf]

i voted 3 on amoonguss

[stuck bane]

Good

Complete the poison types from unova

That would be a good thing

[vestal wharf]

speaking of unova

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-in-gif-9512850103590681465

[stuck bane]

Yeeees

[vestal wharf]

🐍 🍃

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-hidden-power-amoonguss-gif-14742774302475196641

[hot hamlet]

🍦

[stuck bane]

Dude I wish but it seems like alola starters are getting in before it (Serperior is my fav starter and grass type period)

[vestal wharf]

they gotta go in order somehow tho

u cant just skip unova and go straight to kalos

[tender plank]

But they did

[unkempt kernel]

I mean we did tho

[stuck bane]

See that’s what I’ve been telling myself but

[terse fable]

lol

[vestal wharf]

true

[stuck bane]

It seems like they’re going off the results in pins, which sucks because most main voters aren’t even in this server

[vestal wharf]

huhh?

is that why i got hated on last year for greninja propaganda?

[stuck bane]

@vestal wharf

Yeah it sucks

[vestal wharf]

wait how tf did kalos starters get #2

thats something that slipped my mind

[stuck bane]

It’s predicted if this is a once a year thing, we’ll have to wait 2 years for unova starters to get in, and by that time one of the other regions might be completed (no joke)

[vestal wharf]

2 whole years bro?

im gonna be bored of legends z-a by then

[stuck bane]

I think noivern won the entire main poll the first time around, but yea starters were 2nd 3rd 4th

[hot hamlet]

Based on how few Gen 7 there is in comparison to the rest, probably them

[stuck bane]

Gimmie a sec

[vestal wharf]

WHAT

[stuck bane]

@vestal wharf

I did the math

[vestal wharf]

wow

and how many pokemon were in at the time?

[hot hamlet]

That’s up to date.

[molten loom]

Oh no it's real

[vestal wharf]

oh

[stuck bane]

Oh this one is from the reveal of Kalos starters, the noivern one was from last year when there were 420 Pokémon in the game

[vestal wharf]

alr lemme do the math

[stuck bane]

We got up to 470, and am now going to 500

[vestal wharf]

at most 767 mons should be added when infinite fusion is done

[stuck bane]

Note your math might be a little off because of forms like darmanitan and the like

[vestal wharf]

oh

[tender plank]

Funny how in 2 or so years, we went from 420 pokemon to 500

[stuck bane]

And oricorio takes extra slots too for its forms, but slots aren’t an issue

[vestal wharf]

yea we added 80 mons in the course of 2 years

[stoic sluice]

Wait guys when was a vote for sablie-nekrozma?

[stuck bane]

Last year

[vestal wharf]

as soon as it reaches 500 we will have 267 mons left

[bitter comet]

Man, I am just gonna be betting that the next new mon will be revealed on the 12th

[stoic sluice]

But which month

[stuck bane]

Yeah but 50 seems to have been a celebratory outlier, I’m assuming 30 per year since it was a bit stressful for frog before

[tender plank]

The suspense is KILLING ME bruh

[stuck bane]

Idk whenever the announcement for new Pokémon being added was

[vestal wharf]

true

[hot hamlet]

I actually calculated the remaining number of mons before we get complete all regions. But I can’t seem to find the thread I made

[vestal wharf]

how many years would it take tho?

[terse fable]

I'd assume Fri/Sat for announcements to be real

[bitter comet]

2 quintillion years

[stuck bane]

The math I did before said 347 slots (give or take for forms like minior or pumpkaboo) 347/30=a little under 12 years if it’s 30 per year

And this is assuming in 12 years a code fix isn’t made for Gen 8+

[vestal wharf]

12 years is crazy

[stuck bane]

I know

[tender plank]

I just hope Tirty gets in before MORE competition arrives

[bitter comet]

Man, I’m probably gonna be old by then 💀

[tender plank]

Wait wrong messgae lol

I'd be 28

[vestal wharf]

ima be 26 if it takes 12 years

[stuck bane]

I feel same way about unova starters. How many years was it between stunfisk being added and the code being upgraded to allow more slots?

[bitter comet]

(27 by then)

(so basically old)

[vestal wharf]

we gonna be telling stories to gen alpha

[bitter comet]

If the world doesn’t explode by then

[silk narwhal]

I'd be 29 what the fuck

[tender plank]

'Back in my day, there were only 420 base forms'

[bitter comet]

Damn, you’d be so old that you’d almost be dead

[vestal wharf]

ok nah but dead serious tho what are yall gonna do with the current mons we got when they come out?

[silk narwhal]

Yeah I'll be in an iron lung

[bitter comet]

Nuzlocke

[silk narwhal]

They'll add golisopod right after i die

[stuck bane]

Randomized nuzlocke

[vestal wharf]

im gonna abuse pokeathlon

[stoic sluice]

Sprite them

[hot hamlet]

Found it
#general message
Tldr: including the unannounced 15, we have 285 missing from the game, not counting alt forms

[vestal wharf]

fair

[hot hamlet]

Which if going in order, puts us at missing everything after the 31st Unova mon

Either Roggenrola or Bouldore depending on counting Victini or not

[stuck bane]

Unova literally having as many options as multiple regions combined but still being overlooked is disgusting on so many levels

[inland jewel]

USUM has a national dex of 807

[hot hamlet]

809

For Gen 7 total

[inland jewel]

809 is Lets go

[tender plank]

Is Meltan in the code?

[inland jewel]

Meltan is gen 7 so yes its in the code

[stuck bane]

Which includes melmetal which was on both votes

[hot hamlet]

It is technically a Gen 7 mon

[stuck bane]

Was added before the switch to Gen 8 code so yes

[tender plank]

Ah, I understand

[hot hamlet]

Movesets are USUM but Meltan just squeaks into the restrictions of “only up to Gen 7”

[inland jewel]

but when we get 500 pokemon in this game, we'll need 309 more pokemon not including forms

[hollow creek]

waiting for the next announcement is gonna make me go feral

[terse fable]

same

[inland jewel]

from what they did last year, its one announcement per week

[tender plank]

I am a rotting corspe atp

[inland jewel]

if that helps

[hot hamlet]

No. 285 as we’re not counting the missing 15 that haven’t been revealed yet

[stuck bane]

So yeah that means my math of 347 including forms (give or take) is probably correct, cause there aren’t THAT many forms

[hollow creek]

Hoping frog does it friday, I got a busy weekend but imma try to get at least ONE new sprite of the new mon in

[bitter comet]

Man, I am barely distracting myself from the anticipation by playing dredge in my free time lol

[inland jewel]

how are you getting 285?

[hot hamlet]

One moment

[tender plank]

But that 500 also includes 6 or so forms (Oricorio etc.) So it'd more like 314 (base forms) i think

[hot hamlet]

From that thread I linked:

“And total number of mons through Gen 7 is 809.
So we’re missing only 315
Then subtract another 9 for Kalos starters, 1 for Carbink, 2 for Lurantis, and 3 for Kommo-o
And now we only have 300 confirmed remaining mons to go before completion.”

[inland jewel]

which is different from the 285

[hot hamlet]

Then you take out the 15 we need to reach 500

[inland jewel]

did you also take out the slots which had forms?

like Oricorio's 4 into 1

[hot hamlet]

“285 not counting alt forms”

[inland jewel]

and Lycanroc's 2 into 1

[hot hamlet]

Yes I did

[vestal wharf]

speaking of lycanroc

what about the middle form

i forgot what its called

[inland jewel]

They are not including that

[vestal wharf]

oh

[inland jewel]

Frogman has explicitely said he isn't adding it

so if we want it we have to mod it in ourselves

[vestal wharf]

hehehehe'

[terse fable]

yee thinks it's too samey to day form

[stuck bane]

But it is in the game ||as a fusion between midday and midnight without tough claws ||

[hot hamlet]

The important parts in order

[inland jewel]

809 - 479 = 430 - 15 = 315

[hot hamlet]

Where are you getting 579 from?

[inland jewel]

585 - 6

since 570 in game + the 15 we know of from Announced

• the 6 alter forms/slots

[light garden]

Edit this to change the output of the custom command 75!

[green laurel]

theres 470 in the game

[unkempt kernel]

Damn didn’t know we alr got 100 new pokemon

[inland jewel]

i wish we got 100 new pokemon

but okay changed the math

it still doesn't add up to 285

[hot hamlet]

809-470 (game number)- 6(Ori, UN, Lycan, Melo)=333
333-9 for Kalos=324
324-6 (Mo-o, Carbink, Fomantis)=318
318-15 unconfirmed slots=303???
The heck happened to my math? I’m missing something

[terse fable]

oh you mathers

[green laurel]

what are you guys doing math for?

[inland jewel]

how many pokemon from the base dex aren't in the game yet

[green laurel]

oh aight

[inland jewel]

Lets start from removing the extra slots from the in-game dex and then subtract that from the total Gen 7 nat dex

[tender plank]

I'm loving PIF math class

[inland jewel]

i hate math but I'd do it for my favorite game so lmao

[hot hamlet]

Well if we take that 303 at face value (barring any extra caveats I clearly missed)
809-303=506
506 Nat Dex number= Lilipup
If we went in order of the Pokédex, we are either at Lilipup (506), or Wachog (505)based on Victini getting inserted at the start of Unova lists or not

[inland jewel]

imagine if the game did that

just added pokemon via Natdex number instead

[tender plank]

Then i'd probs hate being stuck on Cherubi for however long the 420 count lasted for lol

[hot hamlet]

Figured out where my math went wrong.
Initial thread started with 809-494 due to taking out the 6 alt forms already, then I subtracted the missing 15 a second time later along in the formula

[inland jewel]

man, for four years, we have Cherubi and it just doesn't evolve

[tender plank]

And then the 2022 new pokemon announcement goes like this:
"CHERUBI FINALLY LEARNED TO EVOLVE🎉🎉🎉 be proud"

Kimda glad I don't live in thaglt universe ngl

[pure flower]

Lurantis got added?

[tender plank]

Yep

[pure flower]

That's exciting

I kind of can't wait to see Lurantis/Groudon

[green laurel]

yall can fact check this, but here

[hot hamlet]

Yeah 494+315=809 so the math checks out, not including future alt forms getting unique dex numbers

So in that case 809-315 means we are up to… Victini… Pokemon 0494… huh

I think my problem is I keep counting the mons revealed but not currently in separately. So my count starts with 470 and subtracts from that. Instead of just going from 500

[green laurel]

well right now either way is correct

[hot hamlet]

They both reach two different numbers so idk anymore

[stuck bane]

So whoever predicted tomorrow Wednesday (or extremely late today?) being the next reveal, it seems you would be correct (unless something happens)

[inland jewel]

well so far only 15 of the 30 mons revealed

so just start from 485

[hidden relic]

nah, that's just my own contest schedule

I got no clue when next reveal is

[stuck bane]

Oh, I thought when you said announcement you meant main announcement not event announcement, my b

[hidden relic]

But regardless, as is currently I still got both Lurantis & Kommo-o todo after starters. So I'm just trying to stay a lil' bit ahead of whatever happens

Whenever it does

[stuck bane]

Yeye, I gotcha (saving kommo til the very end since very few are making sprites of it and you can use sprites made even before the announcement of the contest )

[hidden relic]

Like

People jumped on Carbink

and the starters

and even like Lurantis got a ton of bases

But the Kommo-o line?

Has been avoided like the plague man

It's super interesting because that's just like

Such a clear divide between what non-spriters and spriters want

[stuck bane]

It’s not kommo’s fault spriters dont like his scales, I’m hoping the farther he’s pushed back there will be a larger selection of good kommo sprites to inspire people

Is what I’m hoping at least

[alpine rune]

Honestly the "Kommo-o" fans should just #1134483288703119361 if they think it's cool

[hidden relic]

[alpine rune]

I'm not spriting individual scales, you do it

[inland jewel]

saving all my kommo-o sprites for when the competition drops

since can't submit previous sprite rule

[hidden relic]

....you didn't see my thing, huh?

#event-announcements message

[stuck bane]

To be fair, we didn’t exactly want kommo either, beyond it being a fighting type new Pokémon discussion wasn’t super hype about it, that’s the thing with the main vote, link is spread around so much most voters are people not in the server

[inland jewel]

its not that we didn't want Kommo-o

since I've seen plenty of support for it

[stuck bane]

It was just predicted that kommo would win since it was vetoed last time

[inland jewel]

Its just that people who want it aren't spriters

this chat is quite literally the vocal minority

[lament wedge]

I think we should have more fairy types personally

we have lots of dragon types

[inland jewel]

yeahwe should add Shiinotic

[coral axle]

Or mostly people complaining

[lament wedge]

not only that but all the dragon types have like- full evolution trees

[stuck bane]

Since you mentioned dragons being so high I assume you want percentage list:

Percentage Order:
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
28/55 Electric Types (50.9%)
47/89 Psychic Types (52.8%)
73/135 Water Types (54%)
20/36 Ice Types (55.5%)
47/84 Normal Types (55.9%, excludes flying)
60/106 Flying Types (56.6%)
57/97 Grass Types (58.7%)
33/56 Fighting Types (58.9%)
41/67 Fire Types (61.1%)
30/48 Dark Types (62.5%)
30/47 Fairy Types (63.8%)
46/68 Ground Types (67.6%)
42/62 Rock Types (67.7%)
34/50 Steel Types (68%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
35/45 Ghost Types (77.7%)
39/48 Dragon Types (81.2%)

[lament wedge]

where as the fairy types are like-

[alpine rune]

I think we need more ice types guys

[lament wedge]

there's like 2 full fairy type evo list

[alpine rune]

There's only 20 of rhem

We need abomasnow

[lament wedge]

well we did just get Froslass, and the other one

and Snover

[stuck bane]

We have a good percent of fairy types, but I’d love to see more fairies and fairy type heads

[alpine rune]

We didn't get snover

[lament wedge]

not snover

right

[stuck bane]

You’re thinking of snorunt

[lament wedge]

I got my ice types mixed up lol

[stuck bane]

All good

[lament wedge]

Snover/Abomisnow would be cool

as would that snotty bear

[stuck bane]

Missing ice types:
Castform
Walrein
Abomasnow
Vanilluxe
Beartic
Cryogonal
Avalugg
Crabominable

[lament wedge]

and uh the bigger bear

[stuck bane]

The other thing too is not many ice types as of gen 7 anyways

Comparable to the lists of remaining ghost/dragon types

The entire 15 slots could be just ice types (minus castform since it’s 4 slots) and we would still have less ice types than bug and dragon

[hot hamlet]

So what you’re saying is… we need to complete the dragon and ghost types so we can narrow the pool from which to choose new mons

[stuck bane]

Eh, you decide, the closer we get to completion, the more disparity between one side saying “we have too many” and the other saying “we’ve almost completed it!”. I’ll post the data and you decide for yourself

Missing ghost types:
Jellicent
Gourgeist
Hoopa
Decidueye
Lunala
Marshadow
Blacephalon

Missing dragon types:
Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Guzzlord
Naganadel

Missing ice types:
Castform
Walrein
Abomasnow
Vanilluxe
Beartic
Cryogonal
Avalugg
Crabominable

[hot hamlet]

Ghost:
2
2
2 (unbound will likely get a separate dex)
3
4 (Lunala implies whole Cosmog line)
1
1
Total: 15

Dragon:
1
2
3 (incomplete forms will likely get separate dex)
1
1
1
2
Total: 11

Ice;”:
4 (Alt forms will likely get separate dex)
3
2
3
2
1
2
2
Total: 19

You asked for a breakdown

[lament wedge]

legendaries will be hard to do

it requires adding a whole seperate storyline thing if the rest of PIF is any indication

[hot hamlet]

I don’t doubt there will be at least 1-2 legends added this update

[mighty moss]

Castform needs to be added oml!

[rancid nymph]

You can’t fool me with that disguise Mandjtv

[mighty moss]

honestly I'm honored you think I'm the hottest poketuber

he just made me realize how much I adore the lil guy!!!

[stuck bane]

The lists above were talking about lines, but yes

So 7 lines, 7 lines, and 8 lines away

[hot hamlet]

Yeah, I just broke down how many new dex numbers that would add

[stuck bane]

This update could potentially complete every ghost type

Will it? Almost certainly not

But it could

Dragon could also do so, and I’ve mentioned ice being able to do so if we take out castform

[hot hamlet]

Ye

[hexed agate]

which ones are missing?

remember that Lunala and Hoopa collectively add 6 slots

Frillish, Gourgeist puts us at 10

Marshadow 11

[hot hamlet]

15 ghost types if you count the whole lines and alt forms

Also you missed Blacephelon and Decidueye

[hexed agate]

so that makes 15

except we'd get the other starters

[hot hamlet]

Yes… as I said 15 ghost types including whole lines and alt forms

14 if you wanna chop Solgaleo off of Cosmog

[prime dust]

no

[hexed agate]

more w/ alt forms, unless you're not counting A-Maro

[hot hamlet]

A-Maro?

[prime dust]

alolan marowak

but that is a regional form

and thus doesn't exist

[hot hamlet]

Oh. Well regional forms don’t count

[prime dust]

but it'd be more than 15 mons to get all remaining ghosts

[hexed agate]

21

since the other starters come bundled

[hot hamlet]

How? I just added together the number of new dex numbers we’d get using Courage’s list of “the last ghost types needed to be added”
I got 15

[prime dust]

you need to factor in other mons in that logic

[hot hamlet]

SUCH AS???

[prime dust]

4 = Cosmog line
2 = Hoopa + Unbound
9 = Alola starters
2 = Frillish line
2 = Pumpkaboo line
1 = Marshadow
1 = Blacephalon

so pory is correct as it would take up 21 slots

[hot hamlet]

Yeah but we were just calculating the ghost types, not the starters’s “by proxy” nature.

[prime dust]

23 if you want to factor in Type Null and Silvally [the latter of which works like Arceus and can be any type]

[hot hamlet]

That feels like cheating as I think that is being considered under “normal” for their base types

[prime dust]

that's why I said "if"

[hot hamlet]

Similar to how Arceus doesn’t have 18 dex numbers

[fallen loom]

where did I get 9 from then?

[fallen loom]

TBF, Rotom should have at least one more slot

the appliances have more BST

Rotom with 5 more slots should be 251-255

[hot hamlet]

That was before they changed the process. Doubt it will be retroactively done now

[fallen loom]

why not?

[alpine rune]

Pory changed pfp to chimeco

[hot hamlet]

[alpine rune]

Chimeco confirmed??

[fallen loom]

why does Lycanroc Midnight deserve a slot over Rotom Wash?

[alpine rune]

[hot hamlet]

Because Lycan came after they made that decision?

Lycanroc was the first one to get that treatment

[fallen loom]

why can't they retroactively change it?

[hot hamlet]

Asking the wrong guy here

[fallen loom]

requested it

[gray vine]

the lycan forms also have more fusion interest

dust also isnt in and no reason for it to be, its just an orange midday version

the rotoms forms are kinda pointless fusion wise

and nobody gonna really have an interest to specically make a fusion just cause of it now being a washing machine, its uneeded space for forms that hardly gonna get much love nor will bring much creativity

[toxic oriole]

hoping for hoopa since his move is in the game

[hot hamlet]

So is Sparkling Aria and all the other dog moves of mons not in this game. Can get them via Metronome or the special move tutor.
…And yet Metronome has a chance to pick moves not programmed in

[hazy fable]

wouldnt frillish be like 4?

[hot hamlet]

Depends on if we separate the male and female (doubt it)
Same question for Shellos

[hazy fable]

or they would just be alt sprites?

wait ARE WE ACTUALLY GETTING BLACEPHALON???

[hot hamlet]

Explain your logic?

[hazy fable]

idk m8, just saw it abive while backreading

[hot hamlet]

We were just listing what isn’t in yet from the available mons

[hazy fable]

ah

[humble lance]

my nyas

[inland geyser]

hi NPD chat any thoughts for triple kalos starter

[humble lance]

oh i did not realize new pokemon discussion could be shortened to npd (narcissistic personality disorder)

[fallen loom]

for fully evolved, put shurikens and staff on the back of Chessnaught's shield

[spare dagger]

Heh, for a sec I thought it was Scorbunny

Looks good tho

[alpine rune]

Why he look like scorbunny

[alpine rune]

isnt that just spriters in general

[inland geyser]

I think game freak recycled chespins face for scorbunny

[acoustic crow]

So smug I love it

[silk narwhal]

Becoming a spriter made me extremely narcissistic

Only about spriting though

For now

[alpine rune]

c o r r e c t

[marble meadow]

Zombie goat gogoat parasect

[grave jolt]

God now I want Luxray/Delphox in a running outfit

[grave jolt]

tbf that's in fact this chat summed up

[humble lance]

if no one else makes a luxray delphox before i circle back around to it then i can make one
not now tho cuz im having too much fun making luxos

[eager jungle]

Chesnaught is fun to work with

[celest bobcat]

How would Paradox mons work in IF?
Like how would the fusion names be like?

Like if you combine Miltank with Iron Valiant
Will you get Milvaliant or Milliant?... Yes this is a Millian joke but also a genuine question

[hot hamlet]

What kind of sound do you think makes?
I’m thinking that cartoon hollow wood bonk noise, but can see an argument for the Hannah Barbara collision noises

[simple gulch]

cong

[hot hamlet]

Kong?

https://tenor.com/view/dk-nintendo-donkey-kong-gif-4472496

[simple gulch]

expand kong

[royal drum]

If head, they use their first title, like iron naught or sandy bink
And body their second title like milmoon or frogatreads

That's what I think

[ember bear]

violet paradox heads are just gonna be iron

[celest bobcat]

Can't wait to make 24 Iron Rades

[humble lance]

sandy bink

[velvet root]

Great Goat

[proud lion]

Hoping the next reveal is on Friday

[molten latch]

Hello old friend

[celest bobcat]

POKEMON MAKE A POKEMON THAT STARTS WITH GATO ALREADY!
I WANNA MAKE GATORADE!

Also hi Mordred

[celest bobcat]

They're revealing Diancie next Friday?

[velvet root]

Nah Gogoat

[steel meadow]

Pod time perhaps?

[velvet root]

Would be nice too

[steel meadow]

I feel like thats one of the most likely to be added first

[simple gulch]

iron bonk

[humble lance]

[simple gulch]

thats bony bonk

[steel meadow]

basically iron bonk

[velvet root]

Calcium Bonk

[steel meadow]

new paradox form for the bink

[velvet root]

[hardy tartan]

so how did folks react when they saw the announcements channel had updated but it was just the russian channel opening?

[steel meadow]

annoyed.

[velvet root]

Neutral

[worldly sail]

no comment

[icy valley]

will kommo o have clangerous soul from gen 8+ where it takes 33% hp and boosts each stat by 1 stage?

[stuck bane]

Nothing from Gen 8+, so no, but it does get its other Gen 7 unique move clanging scales or whatever

[steel meadow]

you have that ready at all times huh?

[stuck bane]

With how much the curse of pod has affected him, and how badly people want him, he’s going to be one of the last reveals (if at all )

Somebody has to, since pinned messages are so hard to access

[steel meadow]

i mean at some point the curse have to be broken right?

....right?

[stuck bane]

I’m predicting around 800 slots with how things are going so far, but I’ll happily be proven wrong

Also when I mean last reveals I mean last reveal of this 15 batch but you never know