pif-hoenn-discussion

[molten latch]

Gotcha||ko STEAM HOPPER!!! hopper!! hopper!||

[stuck bane]

Is gogoat’s naming scheme go/goat or gog/oat?

[grave jolt]

Oh god it's another miltank

[unkempt kernel]

Gotchard fan located

[humble lance]

i assume it would be go/goat

[molten latch]

Go/goat

Because the goat goes

[humble lance]

the goat goes

[grave jolt]

The goat do be going

[trail hull]

the goat is gone , it secretly breached into pif files

[velvet root]

The first one

[stuck bane]

Wait, does any Pokémon name end with Jo

We have the potential to do something funny

[humble lance]

the goat goes

[velvet root]

Funny to think that someone was able to create a Grass type Motorbike Goat lol

[trail hull]

yeah

in the anime there was even races of them

[velvet root]

Would be hilarious tbf

Wasnt Gogoat one of the first XY mons reveald in the anime?

[silent acorn]

Hehehehe.... The anime doesn't exist anymore

To be fair the anime makes a lot of stuff look good... Probably if you went back to it. You would get a lot of nice poses and bases

[trail hull]

it still exist they just changed protagonist

[velvet root]

True

[silent acorn]

one of this on its hind legs would be nice

[silent acorn]

So it doesn't exist

majestic

[sour rivet]

Guys what the New pokémon?

[silent acorn]

Has not been revealed yet, voting ends 29th

[sour rivet]

Ok

Thanks

[rough hound]

Hm, is it a toxicroak, dragalge, or gastrodon kind of day

[velvet root]

true

[velvet root]

yesss

https://tenor.com/view/goat-faint-fun-fainting-fail-gif-4973719

[deft obsidian]

The Chinese version

[velvet root]

Idk what it translates to

[next sapphire]

OnO

[deft obsidian]

~~ I made right one ~~

[rough hound]

When all else fails, return to toxicroak

[simple gulch]

zero heart went by 10 fold today

(it still zero)

[rough hound]

The BOYS

[simple gulch]

buff toxicoak?

[molten latch]

So I have this Idea on my head for a Them's Fightin Herd fusion

Dhelmise and Gogoat

[rancid lily]

what do you guys think of tropius

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/shanty-thems-fightin-herds-thems-fighting-herds-them-fighting-herd-them-fighting-herds-gif-20744750

[rancid lily]

[simple gulch]

bana

potassium

[molten latch]

A . . . rotato faster!

[mild sedge]

allow me to reintroduce this guy

[deft obsidian]

How about, swanna machoke
Buff man with bra?

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-sesame-street-rocco-death-stare-gif-24438342

[rough hound]

Stealing that gif

[velvet root]

Could you throw the idea in the #1213539303876206643 thread?
Im sure someone will pick it up

[simple gulch]

i dont think u d vote for swanna

[molten latch]

Sure thing Cipher.

NP

https://tenor.com/view/hyped-happy-yessirr-yes-sir-lets-go-gif-17289987

[rough hound]

Hey guys, what do you think would look good with a toxicroak head

Im tryna make more head fusions for ya boy

[molten latch]

Resident Evil Fusion

That one Beefy Lizard thing

[deft obsidian]

I voted 3, it's my most wanted, even though it's weak.

[molten latch]

Oof I thought you mean Toxicroak's Body

Nvm

[deft obsidian]

Salamence

[rough hound]

Ill get on a salamence fusion after work then =)

[solemn patio]

What the hell

[molten latch]

Its the Hunter from Resident Evil

[solemn patio]

Zoinks!

[molten latch]

It was supposed to be a fusion for Toxicroak. Well. . . Body I mean.

[solemn patio]

Looks like a scooby doo villain

[molten latch]

Indeed

Despite being in a game filled with zombies and supernatural things

[simple gulch]

i could do a ballerina

[deft obsidian]

Maybe when added to if.

[simple gulch]

press X

[silent acorn]

Hitmonchan?

Nah that's too vanilla...

:0 LYCANROC OR ARCANINE

[rough hound]

Hm, i already did a dog but ill see what i can do

[molten latch]

If you want to got further

Go for Gardevoir or Slowbro

[rough hound]

Oh gods this is a lot of suggestions

[molten latch]

I know Slowbro is too vanilla, but it will work fine.

[rough hound]

Ill see what i can do later tonight, for now ive gotta leave for work soon

[molten latch]

Goodluck

[rugged temple]

Please take a moment to look at this glorious pokemon we can vote into the game

Reasons to vote Claydol

Also: ROUND LAD

[civic harness]

Finally someone

[rugged temple]

He chonky

[silent acorn]

Actually I second the gardevoir is gonna be unavoidable so may as well

[rugged temple]

Croboninable is good

[silent acorn]

Giveme the Drapion sprite and I'll hack it in

[rugged temple]

Big punch crab is A+

[molten latch]

Despite being Cythia's Pokemons they're decent.

[slim otter]

Hack what into where?

[civic harness]

Here my first abominable crabs
https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1272098687690084352

[silent acorn]

Just kidding. But I wonder what that combo would look like

[rugged temple]

Hehehe good crabs

[simple gulch]

whats the lava one combo

[stuck bane]

There’s been some misinformation about what types we need more of, so I did some digging and this is what we’re looking at:

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:

29/47 Fairy Types (61%)
29/48 Dark Types (60.4%)
52/97 Grass Types (53.6%)
38/77 Bug Types (49.3%)
29/56 Fighting Types (51.7%)

[rugged temple]

I believe it's mag cargo but I'll double check

[silent acorn]

The potential is real, don't hate me, I do support it natively

[civic harness]

I will make more

[silent acorn]

Huh so we actually have a bit less in the bug department, then again some are like fillers like Wurmple, Vivillion and the Burmy line

Just those are like 15

[grave jolt]

less of the bugs, not less bugs

[stuck bane]

Plenty of great bugs to choose from that aren’t them though, from Gen 5/7 especially

[grave jolt]

we should be filling earlier gens out before pushing later ones.

[silent acorn]

If we discount the ones I mentioned it is more like 66

[stuck bane]

Agreed, the whole thing I’ve been advocating for is no Gen should be 100% completed unless at least half of every other Gen is added

[silent acorn]

Because remember Burmy is an equivalent of like 7

Because Burmy base has 3 forms types, Wormadam has 3 types 3 forms, and mothim counts for 1

But in general Wurmple, Vivillion and Burmy aren't what I'd say unique LIKE MEGA NEEDED BUGS

[rugged temple]

@pine pasture @kind sentinel @vagrant turret @low dock @junior scarab and myself did these @simple gulch

[silent acorn]

As in interesting thing we have more psychics but because psychics are few as it is

[snow scroll]

what's the center one?

[prisma willow]

I would like to advocate for Liligant as we need justice for the Celedon City Petil. Also Liligant be cute, dress wearing blooming onion.

[stuck bane]

Registeel prob

[simple gulch]

thorns doing non-if? impossible

[rugged temple]

Registeel claydol

[snow scroll]

ooo

[rugged temple]

I tried designing a concept art based on Steel Bangles

[simple gulch]

:v Tsareena or liligant

[stuck bane]

What we agreed upon before this channel was shut down was that Lilligant can make more actual princess fusions whereas Tsareena does the “leg” princess fusions

[silent acorn]

I been holding the fort where you been? Our damsel almost got killed yesterday

[rugged temple]

Also Rotom/Claydol could make a good MCP reference to Tron

[stuck bane]

By whom? They shall pay dearly

[simple gulch]

too many plant girls

[prisma willow]

Work. ALSO WHO DARE?!

[stuck bane]

You should try palworld

[silent acorn]

Just kidding, nah we need to spread the word of Lilligod

I share this yesterday

[rugged temple]

I think we actually have a lot of humanoid pokemon in. Claydol would offer a round and fun body type and floating effects with cosmic themes, to fit in with its cosmic power

[simple gulch]

it has like 2

[silent acorn]

https://youtu.be/8gu3Rx7-S44?si=c3EDKE8WgsPoF9iW

[rugged temple]

Claydol+Golurk could be ARAHABAKI

[silent acorn]

Reminder Lilligant can do this

[silent acorn]

Ayo don't mess with lilligang
We like our humanoids

[simple gulch]

so claydol is a Dogu

[rugged temple]

: )

[silent acorn]

I have claydol as the backup of 3 no need to fight between allies

[prisma willow]

I will say Claydol is also cool.

[stuck bane]

27 grass types total, bristla, robinquills, Beegarde, Elizabee, Petallia, Lyleen, Lullu, 8/27 is 29% of all grass types in palworld are humanoid girls

[rugged temple]

Also levitate makes it fully immune to two types, plus resisting quite a lot

[silent acorn]

If anything I'd be curious what Lilligant/Claydol or Claydol/Lilligant would end up as

[simple gulch]

there r new pal?

[silent acorn]

Flowergirl meme

[stuck bane]

Yes, sakurajima update, but there’s some bugs going around of save data deletion so I wouldn’t recommend getting back in now

[rugged temple]

You should also vote Claydol because imagine how cool a Claydol Darkrai fusion could be and vice versa

[prisma willow]

Liligant carried me through pokerouge with the power of a quiver dance boosted giga drain

[silent acorn]

Ayo great minds think alike?

[rugged temple]

Funny you should mention PokeRogue. I'm hard stuck at 145-195

[silent acorn]

Seriously once it gets going it's almost unkillable, I killed Rayquaza once with it. Not the 200 one unfortunately

[simple gulch]

can it beat a simipour?

[rugged temple]

God damn mega Rayquaza hurricane spam

[prisma willow]

Then beat the final boss with leech seed because that don't care about defence stats.

[prime dust]

we're gonna need to confiscate your pokemon license for liking the monkeys

[silent acorn]

Since quiver Dance boosts special defense it tends to resist special flying attacks well and because of boosted spatck it can recover the hp

[rugged temple]

There's already a better grass monkey

It's just not in the game

[simple gulch]

what i mean that, the monke got sap sipper in poke rogue : ^)

[silent acorn]

For pokerogue? Probably. For this? Screw that Lilli kicks ass

Imagine giving your Claydol fusion Quiver dance

[rugged temple]

What's kinda rotten is that there's two really fun grass types on the voting list

[simple gulch]

it still very slow thou

[silent acorn]

Reminder Speed ain't claydol forte

EXACTLY

[rugged temple]

It's tanky tho

Especially for a psychic type

[silent acorn]

Just setup while fighting a special attacker it's easy to exploit that

[simple gulch]

add funy space rocks

[silent acorn]

Calm mind bites the dust in comparison to Quiver dance

[rugged temple]

You can always just Explosion if you feel especially rude

STAB Earthquake and STAB Psychic

[silent acorn]

WITH SPEED

Also grass covers Ground weakness to water

[rugged temple]

Fuse it with a speedster

[silent acorn]

Aqua yet Is killer with stab type advantage

[old bluff]

hastily made Clawtizer/Luratnis

[silent acorn]

ahem

[stuck cave]

Way in over my head with this one but I want to make Dugtrio/Minior as the Pillars of Creation

[silent acorn]

If someone sets up sunny day you use earthquake and then outspeed them next turn

[civic harness]

It could be better like Minior/Dugtrio

[silent acorn]

Ability takes care of that, levitate isn't as useful when for instance grass resist it naturally

[rugged temple]

Fuse Claydol with an electric type. It now resists water and grass.

[velvet root]

What is this discussion about rn?

[rugged temple]

New pokemon

[civic harness]

Minior and pokemon that animal lovers doesnt like

[prisma willow]

Liligant

[silent acorn]

Electric doesn't resist anything except flying, steel and itself

[rugged temple]

Id would be neat to see lilligant and Claydol fused yeah

[rugged temple]

I swear it resisted water

And grass?

[prisma willow]

Biblically accurate blooming onion princess

[simple gulch]

its grass which resist elcc

[rugged temple]

Liligants smile on every one of the Claydol eye spaces

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-to-the-hand-donald-duckn-cartoons-donald-duck-dont-talk-to-me-donald-stoping-gif-17014073685735663562

[civic harness]

Remember that exist one pokemon that doesnt resist Electric Type and is Electric Type

[grave jolt]

It just occurred to me that none of the pokemon from the Gen 3 pre-forest routes in except ralts are in the game

[silent acorn]

It can be like the Asura faces

[rugged temple]

Heheh yeah

[simple gulch]

lanturn

[civic harness]

Oh yeah... that counts too but there is another

[simple gulch]

zapdos

[rugged temple]

Also dustox would be cool to see in, but we have how many moth/butterfly pokemon in?

[civic harness]

YES

[rugged temple]

2?

[silent acorn]

BUDDHIST ACCURATE LILLIGANT

[rugged temple]

Just the gen 1 moth/butterfly iirc

Also we just have a lot of flying bugs in general

[silent acorn]

Venomoth Volcarona

[rugged temple]

And poison bugs

[grave jolt]

Electric types also resist steel

[civic harness]

Squirrel surprise

[prisma willow]

We need cute blooming onion princess

[silent acorn]

@grave jolt copycat

[grave jolt]

.<

[rugged temple]

Venomoth volcarona Butterfree, what other ones

[civic harness]

Think about potential

[silent acorn]

Venomoth and Volcarona are like good moths, Dustox is another Venomoth and then Mothim is kinda ass

[simple gulch]

who wouldnt want me to do your Non If propaganda

[rugged temple]

Mothin was just annoying, to find and for dex completion

[next flare]

I hope the second vote won’t be another wheel spin
A marble race is where it’s at

[rugged temple]

Machamp Claydol, buff terracotta

[civic harness]

There is a wheel spin

[rugged temple]

I win marble races frequently. Bad idea

[grave jolt]

Correct; The Johto regional early game bug is a spider.

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wth-huh-the-hell-da-hell-gif-9258458

Something isn't right bout this

[rugged temple]

It always struck me as a hornet tbh, even if it evolved from spinarak

[silent acorn]

Someone explain this to me... Why is dustox so much weaker than Venomoth?

They even freaking have the same ability

[vagrant turret]

Oh that’s me! Not a fusion though, that’s a fakemon lol

[grave jolt]

Ariados?

[vagrant turret]

Happy to be included tho!

[rugged temple]

Oh I thought it was a magcargo fusion lmao

[slim otter]

Wurmple is easier to find than venonat?

[rugged temple]

Yeah

[silent acorn]

Wait what the fock?! They even have the same moves, they both get quiver dance

[slim otter]

No wonder I couldn't tell what the fusion was

[silent acorn]

... I meant it as a joke, but Jesus venomoth is truly the superior moth...

[rugged temple]

It's still an excellent starting point for fire type Claydol ideas

[civic harness]

Show potential, make sprites

[rugged temple]

I guess dustox just gets more grass and psychic moves

[silent acorn]

That's as easy to fix as making venonat easy to find... And we have caterpie for easy bug

[rugged temple]

Maybe I will soon

[slim otter]

I mean, I was thinking about the generation when wurmple was released

[rugged temple]

Btw, yamask Claydol would likely have each Claydol eye be a mask, for cool visuals

[grave jolt]

Ariados is directly inspired by a spider native to the irl region Johto is based on

[rugged temple]

Is it now?

They have flying spiders?

I fear the answer Google will give me

[eternal timber]

Ariados doesn’t fly?

No spider truly flies

There’s spiders that balloon

But that’s literally freshly hatched spiderlings

Ballooning is putting out a string of webbing and holding on to it to be carried up into the air

It only works for teeny tiny spiders

[grave jolt]

Ariados doesn't fly; the appendages on its back are a survival strategy. irl animals use their limbs to make themselves appear bigger.

[rugged temple]

Okay, it always looked like ariados had wings lol

[eternal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/ariados-pokemon-bug-poison-giant-enemy-spider-gif-26452762

Those literally look like extra legs

But in a stupid position

[rugged temple]

Butt feet

[eternal timber]

But yeah, they serve the same purpose as a spider rearing up. Make look bigger

[rugged temple]

Anyways.
Vote claydol

[eternal timber]

They may look like legs because spiders usually use their legs in the air to appear big

[eternal timber]

Btw, plz remember the thing i said about no spiders being able to fly. Because the media loves to say flying spiders to fearmonger species that balloon

[rugged temple]

If it doesnt have wings it doesn't fly

Floating and flying aren't the saaaaaaaame

[eternal timber]

Or flying venomous spiders…. About a damn orbweaver species. Venom is a trait all spiders share (unless they evolved to lose it). I dont think any orbweavers are medically significant either

[stuck bane]

Technically spiders do fly, they let loose strands of web to be picked up by the wind gliding to a better spot to build their web

[eternal timber]

I explained ballooning

And it’s a thing only slings do

[stuck bane]

Oh didn’t see that nm

[eternal timber]

But it’s very different from the image someone gets if the media says flying spider

[rugged temple]

Btw Claydol is only found around this specific zone in the game it originally showed up on.

[eternal timber]

Especially considering how teeny the ballooning individuals are

There’s a few Pokemon only found in specific places in their og game

That’s part of why people may not realize skarmory is gen 2

[rugged temple]

We love skarmory in this house

[stuck bane]

Frog: “oh boy, I’m so happy to have to treat claydol like a legendary by making its own encounterable area for it…”

[rugged temple]

Or, simply, make it appear in ruins

[eternal timber]

Yeah claydol can be in that place in safari zone

[velvet root]

I think claydoll line will be found in the safari zone

[rugged temple]

Don't do that to Claydol. Not the safari zone!!!

[stuck bane]

Honestly that’s a fine place for it

[eternal timber]

But that’s where there’s good ruins

[stuck bane]

Wait why is safari zone bad

[rugged temple]

the pokemon ran away!

[eternal timber]

I feel like it wasnt super bad when i pkayed

[rugged temple]

The pokemon ran away!!!

[eternal timber]

But also the last time i played was when we had 420 pokemon

[rugged temple]

Nice

[kind forum]

Malamar ❤️

[velvet root]

And the alph ruins

[kind forum]

love it

[eternal timber]

There was also an infinite safari zone time glitch that was super easy to do tho

[grave jolt]

I'd support having Furret but again over claydol

[velvet root]

I always activated it by accidant

[stuck bane]

… furret is Gen 2 we have it

[eternal timber]

It’s really not hard

[stuck bane]

Oh wait I misread my b

[eternal timber]

I think they mean zigzag

[silent acorn]

Anyone who brings up Duxtox I am gonna give ya the nerf argument

[velvet root]

I think Pachi meant Linoone

[silent acorn]

You are gonna have a bad time

[velvet root]

I like Dustox
I name mine Clementine when I have one

[rugged temple]

Imagine Snorlax Claydol or Claydol Snorlax

[silent acorn]

You got homework give me things that make duxtox unique compared to venomoth

[grave jolt]

Imagine Furret/Linoone

[eternal timber]

Dustox comes with a butterfly

[rugged temple]

I like furret but I never want to evolve my sentret

[stuck bane]

Why? I have no skin in wurmple’s chances. Off the top of my head, Dustox color palette, but I haven’t looked closely enough at them, nor do I care to

[rugged temple]

Dustox has funny wings heehee

[silent acorn]

Alright I think we can dismiss it as inferior Venomoth

[eternal timber]

Honestly silcoon and cascoon would be really annoying

At least the latis have very different color schemes for heads

[velvet root]

They could be funny to confuse people

[eternal timber]

But they would be very similar both ways

[velvet root]

But funny

[eternal timber]

(I know they arent the same color, but the colors aren’t super different)

[grave jolt]

Dustox has sub-400 bst as a fully evolved pokemon

[rugged temple]

Okay now lets move into the real reason people play infinite fusion. What pokemon actually brings in a ny appealing aesthetics. Disregard any move pool or abilities

[velvet root]

We can fuse it

[eternal timber]

People play for both the battle stuff and the aesthetics tho

I for one enjoyed making a rock head Pokemon with 4 different types of powerful recoil move

[grave jolt]

If the gameplay isn't fun then the appearence doesn't matter

[rugged temple]

Fine then, bring it to aesthetics only. Make a case for your pokemon of choice

[velvet root]

[stuck bane]

We can’t do that, every Pokémon brings appealing aesthetics, disregarding any moves or abilities disregards the fact that infinite fusion isn’t just an art gallery, it’s a GAME

[eternal timber]

Zangoose and seviper offer amazing color schemes and theming, especially if we return the purple claws

[rugged temple]

You could literally tell me Tropius has plant wings and that would be a good point

[rough hound]

[eternal timber]

Seviper also has those glorious fangs and the tail blade

[rugged temple]

Thank you for not dodging my entire point

[silent acorn]

Gladiator golisopod, Princess Bulb

[grave jolt]

Dustox stats

[rugged temple]

I will now upgrade my score for seviper by 1 point as thanks

[silent acorn]

Offensively it's craptastic

[eternal timber]

Yeah, seviper offers more unique stuff than zangoose but they’re a pair and enhance each other

[rugged temple]

Tbh I brought a dustox to the gen 2 elite4 lol

[grave jolt]

Beautifly stats

[silent acorn]

Like, this is more acceptable. It is. Atleast it can fight back

[rugged temple]

So, princess flower, gladiator scorpion, funny goat, and poison punch frog. All good points

[stuck bane]

Although if we have to talk aesthetics: silvally, it is in every way a budget arceus but could make cool chimera fusions. It’s tied with luvdisc at the bottom since it has 0 mechanics going for it but some art aspects

[velvet root]

Motorbike
New foliage
Replaceable foliage
Interesting brown and orange color palette
Cool Horns
A white beard making it possible for older man asthetics
Preevo is no carbon copy
You can draw pokemon riding it
You can make funny bases Like fainting Goats
Many Goat like cryptids exist
And lots more

[eternal timber]

Well silvally doesn’t matter here

[velvet root]

Saying it

[stuck bane]

Yeah but silvally came up last vote, and it’s the poster child of “I look cool but someone does everything I do better”

[grave jolt]

You'd really only have the head available, meaning any fusion is going to be bug-type

[silent acorn]

Yeah we can forget about worrying about "BUT SILVALLY IS SO CHOOOOL ITS A CHIMERRRRRAAAAAA"

[silent acorn]

I am seeing the positive, Dustox is literally split thin

[grave jolt]

Dustox has the exact same problem, just worse.

[eternal timber]

Aesthetically, skitty and glameow are contest cats and bring adorableness. With glameow having that unique spring tail. And both may have cat toy tails (skitty definitely does, glameows may be like a powder puff tho)

[silent acorn]

Being an specialist in something is better than sucking big time at everything

[rough hound]

Toxicroak brings bright red blades, a big throat sack, a unique body shape and color scheme, a massive mood of a facial expression, and small details like stripes and different colored fingers

Dragalge brings in a BEAUTIFUL color scheme, seaweed and undersea themes, a unique structure, a nice headpiece, and unique "hands"

Gastrodon brings in a 4 for 1 special, varied colors, 3 eyes, slug, unique back covering thing, and goofy little guy vibes

[rugged temple]

Id like spoink in if only grumping wasn't kinda ugly

[velvet root]

Grumpig is cool tho

[grave jolt]

The only advantage is that Silcoon and Cascoon evolve at level 10

[rough hound]

Hope i did that right

[eternal timber]

Skitty line brings 2 color schemes. Whike glameow line brings nice patterns

[rugged temple]

I will now give gastrodon a 3

[grave jolt]

I'd like mor faries...

[rough hound]

[eternal timber]

Lets see, i can argue aesthetics for furfrou too

[rugged temple]

Btw Claydol has gold eyes in its shiny 🙂

it's golden to me

[eternal timber]

The trims give us a variety of options for body bases, plus we can make our own trim shapes. And as a head the trims mean we can choose from so many accent colors to fit the fusion

[molten loom]

vivillon brings a lot more

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu has a great color scheme and a body that can be turned into a lot of other pokemon

[eternal timber]

Vivillon is evil tho

[fathom ridge]

What about vikavolt

[rugged temple]

If cryoganol gets in, I wanna see at least 3 different base body sprites

[silent acorn]

Considering you have caterpie and Beedrill on top of having Bibarel and Rattata I don't think we need early evolutions that much

[eternal timber]

But nah, I’m arguing for the Pokemon i want. I mentioned the color schemes because plenty of evo lines have the same scheme throughout

[rugged temple]

Also shiny baltoy IS gold and jade green

[grave jolt]

Vivillion stats, evolves at level 12.

[silent acorn]

Vika is an example of post Gen 5 stats

[eternal timber]

Show fat cat stats plz

I’m curious

[rugged temple]

And while baltoy DOES evolved at lv36, if people are willing to wait until the 50s for tyranitar and bisharp, then Claydol isn't nearly that bad

[grave jolt]

Bidoof, Rattata, and Kakuna all evolve after Brock.

[silent acorn]

There

This is fat cat. And remember... It gets thick fat

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu stats for equality

[silent acorn]

Speed and HP are both good for head and body fusions

Gamefreak is really inconsistent on where it lows the stats as low as 40 sometimes

Like there is no benefit to buffing those...

Seriously what is their reason for beefing up spatck when clearly the mon is a physical

[rugged temple]

I dunno

But practically everything buffs or debuffs it

[silent acorn]

Attacks gets worse debuff honestly

No SPECIAL AT ALL ON LEVEL UP

Hell it even gets honeclaws

[grave jolt]

Purrugly can be a good fight if you place it in the hands of someone reletively early

[silent acorn]

Quite honestly I think it can be champ if you play right. Hone claws stacks accuracy in favor of fury swipes

[rugged temple]

Btw how many other psychic types get access to dark pulse other than Claydol?

[forest vapor]

extremely late, yes they are but they also use mudsdale as a reference 👀

[grave jolt]

jesus Glameow evolves at 48

[silent acorn]

I remember Gothitelle has it

[silent acorn]

YOU DUMMY IT SAYS 38

38

[grave jolt]

holy shit thank you I misread that lmfao

[silent acorn]

See. I mean duskull also evolves at like 30. And until then it sucks big ass

[fathom ridge]

Pawniard evolves at 52 ,._.,

[grave jolt]

Goomy by contrast evolves into Sligoo at 40 and goodra at 50

[rugged temple]

Btw since Claydol has two typings, giving it type-buffing items means you can have even STRONGER stab earthquake and stab psychic

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-really-huh-gif-15522979

I mean that's... How it works lol

[rugged temple]

[grave jolt]

My Alakazam/Quagsire can do that too

[rugged temple]

But that's not all

[silent acorn]

Those are nice defenses and BST of 500 is decent

Its a mix attacker I never noticed that

[rugged temple]

While it may not be stupidly offensive, those def and special def stats are no joke for a psychic type

[fathom ridge]

Have you done any Claydol sprites for propaganda?

[grave jolt]

actually this is decent lmao

[silent acorn]

It has power split which is a nice trick move

[hidden relic]

What's the current method within essentials already?

[silent acorn]

The irony when the BST surpasses base. That happens with Aggron Volcarona

[rugged temple]

No, but there's some neat ones already made

[hidden relic]

that first one isn't Claydol

[rugged temple]

Disregard that

[grave jolt]

stab Earthquake coming off an attack of 70, with an assault vest

[silent acorn]

LOOK AT THIS BST

Not even fusing Pseudos with each other does this

[rugged temple]

By the way

[silent acorn]

Also Rock/Bug is super resistant

[grave jolt]

Almost as good as goodra!

[silent acorn]

Normal stab explosion

[silent acorn]

Crazy huh? And on top of everything else it gets quiver dance

This is without mentioning what ability you can give it

[rugged temple]

Claydol tm available moveset is kinda nasty

In a good way

[silent acorn]

Gen 3 had weird distribution like that, Medicham has the most insane ones. Like pain split
Seriously I love that move

[rugged temple]

Pain split is a good way to take down bosses

[grave jolt]

Focus-sash painsplit

[rugged temple]

Especially ones that love to heal

Imagine giving Claydol sturdy and the enemy fails to kill it before you use explosion

Hehehehhrhe

[silent acorn]

Nasty

It's funny how Claydol is one of those mons with guaranteed Levitate

[rugged temple]

"you cannot kill me in a way that matters"

Yeah lol
Just for an added slap to the face when something expects "maybe this one DOESN'T have levitate...."

[grave jolt]

god I love Aegislash

[rugged temple]

Claydol Aegislash would be cool

With the Aegislash arms and a giant sword on each face it has

Haha rapidspin sword go brrrrr

Can you imagine how cool a floating castle design would be as a pallosand Claydol fusion?

[eternal timber]

And this is why that galactic admin fight sucks

[grave jolt]

Gotta have a Mt moon fight with a purugly

[rugged temple]

Just remember folks. We were robbed of a mega Claydol or gigantimax claydol

We can have it in PIF though, with your votes

[grave jolt]

Tentacruel/Claydol

[rugged temple]

Sableye claydol

[silent acorn]

I Wonder If Mars Claydol has Thick Fat and that's why flame wheel wasn't doing much

Well I always used Mach punch in that fight

[rugged temple]

Does anyone know of any Claydol base sprites? I'm about to search for one but on the off chance that someone already has it, i figure id ask

[stuck bane]

You used Mach punch against a psychic type?

[mild sedge]

there’s one in spritework I think

[rugged temple]

Bless you for the answer

[grave jolt]

#1266277343027134577 message

[silent acorn]

Purugly courage...

[grave jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1266277343027134577/1266277343744229488/Claydolgen4base.png?ex=66ba50ed&is=66b8ff6d&hm=15151f8387b863b2115c625071f32347172b4baa2412eee92354f2f085302c7d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[rugged temple]

Perfection

GAZE UPON ITS BRILLIANCE

[silent acorn]

Oh mars Purugly does have Thick Fat, no wonder fire didn't do much against it

[grave jolt]

Dislike

You fight mars at level 16 lmfao

[silent acorn]

Yeah so?

[stuck bane]

Right here you said Mach punch over flame wheel against claydol

[grave jolt]

Didn't realize how early that fight was, haven't played gen 4 since I was a kid

[stuck bane]

Yeah that’s also a crazy set to fight at level 16, especially with purugly’s stats

[grave jolt]

That fight would have to be in mt mood like I said for IF progression

[rugged temple]

Imagine a normal/ground type Claydol fusion with levitate and how nasty that would be to fight. THREE immunities, plus a crazy huge normal movepool

[stuck bane]

Also her Zubat having toxic is also crazy

[silent acorn]

Oh you are right sorry about that, must have had a brainfart and twist due to talking about Claydol... His propaganda is dangerous

[rugged temple]

[prisma willow]

What would be cool Liligant fusions?

[stuck bane]

All good, I made some mistakes from waking up today too

[stuck bane]

Was about to check spritework, I’ll be back in a bit

[rugged temple]

Gardevoir, bisharp, Venusaur, etc

[silent acorn]

Ah yes my favorite way to Skype Pillar, mount Mood

[prisma willow]

In terms of looks or mechanics?

[silent acorn]

Milotic

The true mermaid

[rugged temple]

Looks personally

Mechanics can always be put aside for rule of cool

[stuck bane]

There’s some insane ones in spritework, but lemme go to my computer to find some old Lilligant propaganda I made

[velvet root]

Ik

[rugged temple]

Roserade lilligant too

[grave jolt]

What's that Rosalina fusion 👀

[rugged temple]

Jirachi

[grave jolt]

ah

makes sense

[silent acorn]

I LOVE THAT SNEAKY ONE

Assasin lilligant I LOVE IT

[rugged temple]

Cacturne Lilligant could be cool too

[prisma willow]

She's just a cute little gal

[silent acorn]

Maractus

Seriously tho... They have similar torso for it

[rugged temple]

True

[stuck bane]

I think there’s a Maractus Lilli in spritework somewhere, but here’s propaganda I shared with houndrys a while back

[rugged temple]

But cacturne is very very recent so I feel adding maractus would be sorta redundant

[silent acorn]

There is a custom for lilligant and here is the maractus

FOCK WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THIS

look at that little goober and this MADAM

I just learned lilligant has a delta, neat

[rugged temple]

"Vote for me. I have seen the future with all of my dozen eyes"

[silent acorn]

Lilligant with mouth might be really cute

[deft obsidian]

I do( I doubt if swanna get enough vote)

[silent acorn]

That moment when the lilligant setsup 3 quivers and kicks ass

Actually looks fantastic as chandelure because of hands holding like blue flames

[prisma willow]

...oh god. Chandelure with quiver dance.

Fire grass is a scary combo

[silent acorn]

A cool combo you mean, let see the fusion stats

[prisma willow]

Is chandelure head fire or ghost?

[silent acorn]

Chlorophyll
Fire Grass. Fire boosted weather boosted stab boosted quiver boosted fire move

[deft trout]

Vote Seismitoad
We need more frogs

Ground Type Swift Swimmer with a unique moveset in Power Whip and Sludge Wave

Lots of fusion potential with its massive blorbs

[deft obsidian]

I voted 3 :> love seismitoad

[stuck bane]

Seismitoad: only ground type with access to swift swim, only water and ground type that gets poison touch, and is a Mon used on ash’s team, also has good attack and hp, the only ground type body with access to acid, only ground type with access to bubble, and the only ground type to learn round naturally, and the only ground type with access to aqua ring, and the only ground type with access to bubble beam, and the only water type head able to learn drain punch naturally, and the only ground type body to learn drain punch

[silent acorn]

Not actually.... GHOST GRASS FLASH FIRE IMMUNITY

[stuck bane]

Wait seismitoad gets power whip? I’ll have to relook into that I swear I would’ve mentioned that in my list of reasons

[silent acorn]

... It can learn painsplit

[acoustic tartan]

a remainder for yall to give scraggy line a 3

https://tenor.com/view/scraggy-danca-gif-10689742

[hollow creek]

I am really curious for what the competitive event winners will choose

[deft obsidian]

You can't find this one in #1050404143807873157

[hollow creek]

Pelliper felt obvious, I feel like crawdaunt is also gonna be picked by one of the tourney winners

[stuck bane]

No but I know where to find it now

[deft obsidian]

I found it in #spriting-discussion

[prisma willow]

But why

[acoustic tartan]

medicham

[hollow creek]

It has adaptability and dragon dance, and from what ive heard regenerator is a dominant force in the IF meta so people may want a hard hitter

[hollow creek]

True!

[stuck bane]

I just want a gen 5 Pokémon to appear on the raffle, let me know my favorite Gen is still alive even though gamefreak neglected us (they knew they couldn’t top perfection)

[kind forum]

random unscheduled malamar propaganda

[silent acorn]

This is a nighmare look at this

[civic harness]

An wild propaganda

[deft trout]

In Gen 8

It might not in IF

[hollow creek]

Oh yeah and malamar

[deft trout]

No Grass Whip Seismitoad

Sadge

[acoustic tartan]

escavalier is just too underrated just cuz of its speed stat

and typing

[silent acorn]

NOTHING resists Sleep Powder except another grass type

[stuck bane]

Then it will not in IF, frog said Gen 8+ isn’t canon (we know it to be true)

[hollow creek]

Malamar, medicham, crawdaunt are likely picks from the tourney winners

[molten loom]

Something with vital spirit

[silent acorn]

Ah true... But then... You have pain split and hex boosted by quiver

Or you could have giga drain instead

[molten loom]

and insomnia

[silent acorn]

Let's be real aside from another grass and sleeps abilities one would have a nasty time dealing with it

[stuck bane]

It’s also a great pivot into the extremely popular fire type, swap this in against a fire type, and unless they have other coverage to use, they have to switch and you get a free quiver dance on top of the flash fire boost

[deft obsidian]

Lilligant is actually strong pokemon, the only bad thing about lilligant is move poll, lilligant doesn't have coverage, all of her move are grass and normal, but with fusion her move pool will be bomb!

[stuck bane]

Yeah, I have no idea why people try to argue “it’s typing sucks, it’s moves suck” yeah that’s why we want it in the game so it can actually do creative stuff and be awesome

[prisma willow]

But it actually has really solid grass type moves coupled with one of 2 Pokemon that learn quiver dance and isn't a bug type

[stuck bane]

Lilligant: it WAS an overworld Mon, adds more grass types, it’s counterpart is already in the game, good special attack and speed, only pure grass type that gets own tempo (for grass type head and body fusions), and it also learns petal dance unlike ludicolo, and is the only pure grass type with access to entrainment

Yeah entrainment and petal dance give Lilligant a lot to go for, and that’s just the unique stuff it brings no other Pokémon can

[prisma willow]

Does it also learn Petal Blizzard?

[stuck bane]

Why yes it does

https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/lilligant/moves/7

[prisma willow]

Which means it learns both the physical and special version of grass type outrage

Look at that fusion versatility

[eternal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/purugly-pokemon-anime-aron-zubat-gif-25254307

The tail is actually a really interesting shape, and must be powerful since it’s used as a corset

[deft obsidian]

Add galactic symbol to your pfp

[eternal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/delcatty-pokemon-anime-skitty-feline-gif-7550564539415170856

[stuck bane]

In fact, yes, those are reasons:

Lilligant also has the highest special attack of any pure grass type that can learn petal dance

[eternal timber]

I’m not only shilling purugly

https://tenor.com/view/delcatty-pokemon-serviper-snake-cat-gif-7326706374084024631

[deft obsidian]

I know

[eternal timber]

Bounces off you

[stuck bane]

Then add galactic symbol and May’s hat

[eternal timber]

I’m gonna be honest, I’m not gonna change my pfp. I haven’t touched it in years

Also i never really thought about puruglys tail shape until i saw that gif

[civic harness]

Epic

[silent acorn]

Sleep Powder, Quiver Dance, Stab Hex for chonky damage

Another busted combo is Quiver Dance Stored Power

[azure python]

Is there a dusk form or lycanrock?

[eternal timber]

I’m not sure why but frog said no

[silent acorn]

Wait dusk? No

[azure python]

Darn

[eternal timber]

That’s why dusk is the dark horse competitor in the murder games i plan to run

Because it’s fun to have a random impossible one

[silent acorn]

Chandelure/Lilligant is

Chandelgant the Undying Flame

TRY TO SURVIVE THIS

Alternatively you can use Leech Seed for extra chip damage but in general you are not killing it
Lilligant/Chandelure is

LILLILURE THE DRAINING INFERNO

Only Poison, Rock and Flying are doing anything to it. Reminder It will survive poison unless it's toxic

[azure python]

Is there alolan exeggutor yet?

[silent acorn]

No and probably won't

[azure python]

Damn

[slim nexus]

late to the convo but mouth granted

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-socute-pokemon-meowth-cute-gif-13396632421291632363

[azure python]

OHHHH SO CUUTE!!!

[prisma willow]

Liligant with mouth needs to be an alternate sprite

[silent acorn]

Vote 3 for Cute Lilligant.

[azure python]

3333333333333333333333333333333333333

[dim sparrow]

Who won the tour?

[snow scroll]

mouf

[silent acorn]

well this seems nice for... Lilligant/Snorlax also known as

LILLILAX THE GREEN WALL

[sturdy frost]

Don't think this will properly wall, but who knows

[silent acorn]

Since grassy terrain does heal and boost grass moves and then Gigadrain after the first in case damage has been dealt, after that belly drum, repeat with the Gigadrain, Kill with Last resort

[sturdy frost]

Thick fat is nice, but very susceptible to mold breaker / crit setups

[silent acorn]

That way you have used all 3 moves to use Last resort

[sturdy frost]

and you need 4 turns to KO

[silent acorn]

Yeha but after that the setup is in place for Last resort

140 plus stab

[sturdy frost]

Throw in a toxic, or any ghost in the enemy team

[ashen cloud]

my vote is greninja

[silent acorn]

this damage is hard to resist specially boosted to max

[silent acorn]

It's not perfect but hey it can be a reliable one for the most part

[sturdy frost]

yeah but any ghost and its done. I wouldnt call that reliable.
toxic it, wait for it to waste 2 more turns and 50% due to belly drum, swap to ghost, done.

[silent acorn]

Thing is grassy terrain then grass stab giga drain would allow to whittle down the foe before they take it down

[deft obsidian]

There is no starter to vote.

[ashen cloud]

oh right, then give me buizel

[silent acorn]

Giga Drain. Unless the ghost has poison, or another of the resistant types it will do atleast something, it's not a fully sitting duck, that and the fact ghost won't be able to stab and Toxic will be the most reliable thing to take it down, even then it will take time, with Leftovers, GigaDrain and Grassy terrain

[rugged temple]

Back from the mines with an extremely simple sableye claydol fusion idea

Propaganda GO

[silent acorn]

Anyway toxic is unavoidable it was always made to be that way

Specially since competitive is too afraid to face evasion threats like Blissey/Froslass

100% accuracy toxic is still the norm for non evasion competitive

[sturdy frost]

Its been almost 10 years since I competed in VGC, so my sensed are maybe off, but it seems way too easy to counter to me for a team with decent coverage.
Also, is evasion/acc reducing not banned in PIF ladder?

[silent acorn]

It is because much like regular competitive they are afraid of evasion
Blissey/Froslass, has minimize high hp good defenses, solid typing, snowcloak that can be stacked with Aurora Veil. At that point the only thing taking it down is Faint Attack

[sturdy frost]

No it just makes for non-interactive battles.It just reduces the whole format to stacking minimize + def boosts + heal + 1 stab. Leading every match to struggle stalls.

[silent acorn]

And 100% Toxic didn't? I do hate that is considered "Interactive"

Like the drawback is having the chance to miss with it, but no poison will miss it

[sturdy frost]

Nope, with 100% toxic there was still enough playing around it and wasnt a game of pure chance.

[silent acorn]

The green wall is still interactive and has ways to still fight back, namely, switch. That it

[sturdy frost]

imagine making VGC a matter of who hits the 33% first.

[silent acorn]

Ask gamefreak, they made it and added it. Not me.

Evasion is fun when you use it, but luck is hated

[sturdy frost]

thats why comp has its own rules.
to make it interactive and actually skill based

[silent acorn]

Crits?

[sturdy frost]

sure, but thats something they simply cannot influence

[silent acorn]

Back at Gen 3 it was skill based. Now it is luck
You had to stack three things for guaranteed crit

So that's an example

Also odor sleuth and the identify moves exist but people don't use it because Evasion is banned
Hence if evasion was allowed identify moves would be a need

Interactive is subjective and works under the assumption is sorta fair. Which fine.

[eternal timber]

You can absolutely influence crits. That’s the type of absol build i like

[sturdy frost]

Agree to disagree, setting up triple crit was never dominant in VGC because it cripples setup, and especially in doubles it gets punished too hard

[silent acorn]

If you based it only on the double setup that ignores everything else

[eternal timber]

I didn’t say guaranteed, i said influence. Super luck plus using high crit moves plus i think a held item ups crit rate is still an influence even if it isnt a guarantee

[sturdy frost]

doubles is the main VGC format?

[silent acorn]

So? Doesn't mean it's the only way to play

That's why showdown 1 V 1 is a format

[sturdy frost]

When talking comp, im gonna assume the main comp mode

[eternal timber]

Also why are you guys talking vgc in the new Pokemon chat

[sturdy frost]

fair point

[silent acorn]

2 V 2 is one then 1 V 1 is another one

[eternal timber]

I dont play comp, i play for fun. So my points are that it’s fun to have a super luck absol

[silent acorn]

Personally I don't have fun with the 4d chess of 2 V 2, 1 V 1 is pretty fun

[eternal timber]

But also we already have absol

Idk what would add fun builds in the new pokemon

[silent acorn]

1 V 1 is fun, and absol is fun

[sturdy frost]

too much interaction and skill based decisions huh

[silent acorn]

I love luck, it's a fun thing when it works

[sturdy frost]

kidding

[silent acorn]

No too much reliance on guaranteed teams rather than individually thinking out the battle

Green wall is for 1 v1 not for 2 v 2

[sturdy frost]

Tell that to pachirisu winning worlds, Anyway, ill take this out of this chat

[silent acorn]

Nah screw that, people legit believe that's a good reason to add that rat

[eternal timber]

Wait if you guys know comp

[silent acorn]

I like to minmax in game

[eternal timber]

What cool abilities could we get that arent in game yet but the pokemon we can vote for have

Abilities that allow for fun builds like super luck or rock head or soundproof

[silent acorn]

Well fur coat is op but not fun

[silent acorn]

Lemme see someone had one list

[eternal timber]

Yeah fur coat is just a base stat boost

[sturdy frost]

I'd like torkoal as an alternative to ninetails.
An actual good sun setter, and could fit in trick room teams which are now lacking

[eternal timber]

It’s good, but it isnt a strategy type ability

[silent acorn]

Those tend to be pretty good

[eternal timber]

Yeah, but you dont have to think about a base stat boost

[dense perch]

imagine of no winner pick gogoat for the phase 2

[silent acorn]

Excuse me I am borrowing

[eternal timber]

Oh boy that’s a lot of Pokemon to look up what their abilities actually do

Corrosion can be fun

[silent acorn]

Malamar the close combat dream

[slim otter]

I'm considering making an East Sea Shellos-head fusion today
Any ideas for the body?

[eternal timber]

Ok, flower veil is complicated and symbiosis and triage seem very niche

[silent acorn]

Priority moves tend to be when it's on fast mons on slow ones it's good

Saves you and let's you outstall

[eternal timber]

Yeah but it’s priority for healing moves

[mighty hazel]

What’s the current general consensus on like

Who the most wanted Pokemon are

[eternal timber]

And stall sets have other ways to work in if

[silent acorn]

I have killed thousand mons who used recover on their move last

[mighty hazel]

IMO the Croagunk line is a must have

I’m surprised it’s not in yet

[silent acorn]

Lilligant, Golisopod, Claydol, Maybe Sawsbuck because it's like 8 varieties, Minior

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah Croagun most agree on that

[eternal timber]

I technically know miniors ability but I dont know what it actually does

That’s why im looking this stuff up

Wimp out and emergency exit seem very niche and also like the same ability

[wind bane]

Hariyama my goat GRAHHHHH

[wind bane]

Seconded

[velvet root]

Its a Man

[eternal timber]

Battery seems incredibly niche as an ability

And useless outside of double battles

[sullen elbow]

Draining moves also count so it turns them into pretty strong priority moves

[eternal timber]

That’s pretty decent

Flower gift is kinda meh compared to other abilities we can get from Pokemon on the list

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/skiddo-shiny-skiddo-gif-1858280009441702535

[eternal timber]

Comatose seems like it could be fun

Berserk might be fun if you combine it with recovery moves

And i think that’s enough looking stuff up for now

[sullen elbow]

I forgot how few mons got berserk

[eternal timber]

It’s basically just drampa in terms of what we can get

[ashen cloud]

i want buizel

[eternal timber]

Aren’t plus and minus unique abilities?

Oh damn

I guess not

[ashen cloud]

ooooo i want darmanitan

those fusions would go hard

[stuck bane]

objectively true tierlist:

[eternal timber]

I’m only looking at the objectively true tier of the list I replied to

Because abilities are fun

[ashen cloud]

wishiwashi fusions would HIT

[eternal timber]

I don’t actually know what the ability does. I just dont care to look up more abilities atm

I need to add a point to comfey, komala, and drampa for their abilities tho

[rugged temple]

Dumb and silly super edgy ghost Claydol propaganda

[pale flame]

Peak

[sullen elbow]

It just makes wishiwashi change form when above 25% hp

[eternal timber]

No stat change?

[stuck bane]

well, yes, it changes stats by alot

[sullen elbow]

Massive base stat change

[velvet root]

Good night

[stuck bane]

175 BST to 620 BST

[sullen elbow]

But HP still super low so its not that good

[eternal timber]

I’m just wondering how that would work on fusions

[sullen elbow]

In the main games

[stuck bane]

crazy thought: thats why it should be added to IF because blissey

[ashen cloud]

dude that would go crazy

[stuck bane]

although it def could be vetoed depending on how weird the code for it's ability is

[ashen cloud]

give me wishiwashi or darmanitan

[sullen elbow]

It would work like necro kinda

[eternal timber]

I’m gonna just ignore the ability for the sake of idk hiw frog is gonna handle things

[stuck bane]

1 order of Darmanitan propaganda coming right up: multiple forms means more versatility with which form to start with (same as meloetta), standard mode has great attack with good hp and speed, and zen mode has great special attack with good defense, special defense, and hp, also the only fire and psychic type that gets sheer force, only pure fire type that learns hammer arm, the only fire type to naturally learn rage, and the only fire type to learn belly drum naturally, and the only pure fire type to learn facade naturally

[rugged temple]

We could do it people, we could get the floating sandcastle Claydol

[silent acorn]

Froggo said they would work out of battle I think... Problem is what the ability actually do in battle? Like Battle Stance?

Isn't that a waste of a good design? I think zen works fine out of battle honestly

[ashen cloud]

i’m in for darmanitan

the fusion potential alone is selling me

[silent acorn]

I wish one of the devs could tell us how Darmanitan zen mode would work... In or out of battle?

I'd prefer out of battle, means one more pokemon design for sprites, so Darma could be like 3 in 2

[ashen cloud]

surely outta battle right?

[silent acorn]

Couldn't say for sure, since the ability itself could work like Battle Stance due to stat changing

But I'd rather have it out of it

[ashen cloud]

that’s aegislashs ability ya?

[silent acorn]

Yeah. Pokemon whose stats change in battle in between forms work like Aegislash Battle Stance

[ashen cloud]

interesting.

[silent acorn]

So Aegi only has its base sprite, no actual change in sprite

[ashen cloud]

that’s fair

[silent acorn]

Meloetta is working the same due to form changing in the middle of battle being hard to code

[ashen cloud]

if zen mode was outta battle however it would immediately receive my vote

[silent acorn]

Better wait. Have you voted on other things?

[ashen cloud]

nope! no votes from me yet

[silent acorn]

I mean its fine, but I'd argue it gets like a 2 because form change isn't clear

[ashen cloud]

fair

what’s ur number 1

[silent acorn]

May I get you interested in Sawsbuck and Lilligant?

[silent acorn]

Hmmm, Lilligant and then Golisopod

[ashen cloud]

i’m listening

[silent acorn]

Alright first you can get one of these

[silent acorn]

With a possible setup like this

That's one

[ashen cloud]

that’s insane

[silent acorn]

For Lilli there is many designs, it's kinda princess like but no the weird kind like gardevoir

[silent acorn]

There is another setup if you want a different fusion

[silent acorn]

This one

[ashen cloud]

lilli has always been kinda slept on

[silent acorn]

I have further proof

[hidden relic]

Doing a quick round-up to make sure those interested in movie night tonight make it

Stage is open, join here: https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1148785825178460241

[rugged temple]

Lilli is also not an entirely optimal grass type to use

[silent acorn]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D8gu3Rx7-S44&ved=2ahUKEwjA9uPX9u2HAxVbSDABHcwMNH8QwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw2XupZtVF1IhfbCquBkkExO

Ahem excuse me

Alliance remember

It can also be used alongside Claydol for some crazy things including Asura Lilligant

Here is some further things

Now remember you can take many things, It is like Bingo, so you get to give many 3s and 2s without compromising your main

most of these are in game

Including this sneaky gal

[ashen cloud]

i love it

[silent acorn]

It's set is good, it's appearance is nice and not chibi like Bellossom and is reliable and very usable, it's design will be great due to it having many ways to be used

[ashen cloud]

i’ll give it a vote

you won me over

gen 5 has some true sleepers

[silent acorn]

So that's for lilligant it is a very good one, now sawsbuck has been the talk of the server for one reason do you wanna hear it?

[ashen cloud]

all the variants 🤨

[silent acorn]

YEAP free variety at no drawback on top of being a nicer deer, horn leech with nice moves and just being very versatile

As I said you can give as many 3s as you want without losing steam on your main

Now lemme show you what sawsbuck has

[outer matrix]

any lurantis fans here?

[silent acorn]

This is some sprites ready to go

This is head, but notice how each have different things form the varieties

personal favorite head fusion

minimal complexity maximum skill ceiling

trevenant which we have

In fact there is spriter preference over it being easy

Grass is a good type in general for fusions due to synergizing well with a lot of things

Spriters get to choose bits and bobs which leads to infinite possibilities and infinite inspiration which leads to more sprites

[outer matrix]

considering how each form of sawsbuck is aesthetic, spriters can choose whatever form they want when fusing?

[silent acorn]

As a fun fact

Sawsbuck has access to serene grace via hidden ability which is totally worth it

[rugged temple]

Xerneas sawsbuck

[silent acorn]

Making a build

tell me SAWGROSS isn't a sick name

MAXIMUM FLINCH

Oh wait there is an free item slot... What should we put there I wonder... No priorities by the way with this. Meaning you get to be able to flinch ALWAYS

It's a bit slow but it's strong enough

if goal is to use two types of moves again and again why not increase their power?

SAWGROSS for maximizing this types

[clear lichen]

Don't we already have Jirachi

Tbf Sawsbuck isn't legendary/mythical/whatever

[silent acorn]

THE OTHER ONE

[silent acorn]

We ain't voting those no more

[clear lichen]

But neither is Togekiss

[clear lichen]

Yeah but Jirachi still exists

We can't just will it out of existence

[clear lichen]

I feel like this one is definitely better

Higher speed and far better type

Grass/Steel is a fantastic defensive type

One of if not the best

50 million resistances goes crazy

And also immunity to Poison and powder moves and leech seed

[silent acorn]

Meteor mash no chance to miss?

[clear lichen]

? No

I think the only type that makes a move unable to miss is Poison with Toxic

I'm not 100% sure on that though

[unkempt kernel]

Lights a match in its general vicinity

[clear lichen]

Ok, so?

Name a type that has a better set of resistances compared to the number of weaknesses it has

The only ones that are arguable are like

[unkempt kernel]

Dark ghost with wonder guard

[clear lichen]

Steel/Fairy and Steel/Bug

[clear lichen]

Doesn't exist

And we both know that if it gets added it'll have 1 HP

And thus be vulnerable to a lot more than just Fairy

[unkempt kernel]

It does actually

It’s called any dark type + shed

[clear lichen]

Infinite Fusion fusions don't count I'm talking base game Pokemon

[unkempt kernel]

[clear lichen]

Also, I'd probably go for a Wonder Guard fusion with only a Ground weakness instead if there are any

Since you can use Air Balloon

But also, in a competitive sense, Infinite Fusion doesn't have Heavy Duty Boots so any and every Wonder Guard fusion instantly dies to Stealth Rocks

Like I said, Grass/Steel is one of if not best defensive types and the weaknesses that come with having Wonder Guard solidify that

Also Wonder Guard in these sorts of conversations is kinda cheap

[rugged temple]

Tfw your Claydol learns fire type moves

[clear lichen]

Btw the reason we're even talking about this is because someone was cooking a set with Sawsbuck and it had a Grass/Steel type

It's very topical

But as for something not topical, here's Ferrothorn tanking a Mystical Fire from a Pokemon with 160 SpA
252 SpA Diancie-Mega Mystical Fire vs. 252 HP / 216 SpD Ferrothorn: 280-332 (79.5 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Common Ferrothorn W

It's actually kinda too good

[rugged temple]

Mix ferrothorn with claydol

[clear lichen]

Because I struggle finding good fusion candidates with it in terms of performance

[rugged temple]

Enjoy being god

[clear lichen]

Doesn't exist yet

And I'm too lazy to calculate what its stats would be

But if I were to fuse it with something it'd keep the Steel type and preferably either gain bulk or gain reliable recovery without losing too much bulk

Easier said than done though

[rugged temple]

I mean, it really just needs more HP

[clear lichen]

Before Pokeathalon got revealed to this server I was testing some fusions

[rugged temple]

It's special defense is kinda nutty

[clear lichen]

I ended up using Ferrothorn/Tangrowth

Because Regenerator goes brrrrrr

At least I think it was Ferrothorn/Tangrowth

May have been Tangrowth/Some steel type

Idk it was a while back

The idea was definitely to make a Grass/Steel type that is better than Ferrothorn though

Because I wanted to use base Ferrothorn but it's a fusion metagame so using just a normal Pokemon would feel a bit weird

I might have used Aegislash/Tangrowth?

Or maybe Jirachi/Tangrowth idk I forgot

Anyways I've gotten sidetracked time for me to disappear again

[rugged temple]

I think ferrothorn bisharp was a good one right

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/tsareena-gif-6425705635092301377

[silent acorn]

I was saying because Sawsbuck stats are more physical and clear body prevents anything lowering it

Meaning it can stand there buff up a bit then go ham with meteor mash and horn leech

The grassy terrain is just an extra buff and healing

[clever vigil]

Ignore the face lmao

[silent acorn]

Hello lady fabulous

Long time no see

[terse fable]

happi 🙂

[clever vigil]

He would be even happier if he was added into IF

[silent acorn]

Chance is there

[feral bear]

Slowly coming back, got some real bangers dropping soon

[silent acorn]

I am on the lilligant front boss, supporting them ladies

[terse fable]

been cookin

[feral bear]

Team girlboss shall prosper this time around

[silent acorn]

I keep bringing that sweep video lol

[silent acorn]

Does Gothitelle enter that? I don't think so right?

[snow scroll]

born to OHKO Stone Edge, forced to Defeatist (Ability)

[silent acorn]

Shame we can't bolster Diancie anymore

[feral bear]

She surely does!!

[snow scroll]

IF would fix him so much

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm.... Alright I cast my spell for extra success

[clever vigil]

Ikr. Thats why they need to be added

Imagine them with Huge power

[silent acorn]

Doneso. ribbon lady chanced upped

[terse fable]

Lowkey hoping someone puts luvdisc or monkeys or both in the raffle, just for the madness that would follow loll

[rugged temple]

they still lose

[terse fable]

Exactly they still would lol but people would flip anyways

[clever vigil]

Or Alolamola

Im really hoping for the Archen line or Zangoose and Seviper

[silent acorn]

I hate the marshmallow legs but oh well

[clever vigil]

I have a sprite already done for Zangoose/Seviper and some concept art for Seviper/Zangoose

[silent acorn]

I mean... Luvdisc isn't necessary we have rock smash heartscales plus Alomo is more usable long term

Luvdisc is for people who want romance in a pokemon game

And we can't get no maidens

Nor mandens

[terse fable]

Zangoose/Seviper is an amazing pick sprite and mon wise, there's jus a lot of options like thatg

although I do think for spriting they're easier to approach then some other mons people are wanting, which is a good thing

Like I really like Claydol and the sprites I've seen people putting for the propaganda, but just feels like most spriters wouldn't touch it besides a handful that have easy inspiration

[silent acorn]

Its actually easier to use than it seems, it has several sprites

[terse fable]

I've seen the sprites, I'm saying those several sprites doesn't constitute all the mons as a whole, again most of them have been ones that are easier inspiration, outside of that I don't see many people hopping on Claydol Sprite requests that aren't straightforward

[terse fable]

Love itttt 🙌

[clever vigil]

This is the reverse btw

[terse fable]

Yea those are fire lol, they just have a lot of fusion potential even with other mons cause of the signature looks of them, I put it up there close to Slurpuff in terms of new sprite looks/styles being added

[stuck bane]

gasp Is Team Girlboss Really Back? Let’s Go!

[stuck bane]

Here’s the full girlboss list if you’re supporting:

[fair atlas]

.......................

I just had a horrifying thought

[stuck bane]

I mean, ignoring legends and UBs obv

[fair atlas]

Since the pokedex says that Zangoose and Seviper's hatred for one another is embedded into their DNA

What if a fusion between the two is just...tearing itself apart

[terse fable]

I rememeber seeing that idea said in the last poll loll, if the sprite hasn't been done it's a good idea!

[stuck bane]

Ooo that could be cool, seviper trying to use its jaws to rip off zangoose’s arms while Zangoose tries to gore seviper’s body, that would be sick

[fathom ridge]

Garbodor and licanrock

[mild sedge]

keeping eelektross relevant enough to maybe win

[fair atlas]

Because girlbosses are trash.

[terse fable]

an ouroboros kind of thing would be cool

[stuck bane]

Nah look closer, Those were just mons added at the time, team girlboss was made a long time ago

[fathom ridge]

You are doing an important labor to our society 🫡

[stuck bane]

The row that says girlboss update is what team girlboss supports

[fair atlas]

And when I say this I don't mean actual competent and confident ladies, just the kind of women who self-identify as a girlboss nowadays. (;=A=)

The word is thrown around to describe everything from tacos to haircuts.

[stuck bane]

I was mentioned in the PowerPoint therefore I’d be happy if Eelektross won

[rugged temple]

I thought the same for bruxish

[fathom ridge]

I will finish the vikavolt PowerPoint one day… probably

[fair atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-wake-up-gif-19887467

[mild sedge]

basically just everything but biblically accurate lol

[hexed agate]

do it

[fair atlas]

Argument. Spheal.

That is all.

[hexed agate]

cool bug propaganda must spread

[mild sedge]

I beg of you I’m hyped to see it someday

[molten loom]

Do it today or tomorrow and I change vote on it to 3

[fathom ridge]

OOHHHH

[fathom ridge]

What time zone do you live in?

[mild sedge]

See? All you needed was motivation

[stuck bane]

Vikavolt would also be good

We do need more bug types

[molten loom]

Well its 6:21 pm atm

[rugged temple]

I don't truly know if people would key into the jumper cable theme for vikavolt

[terse fable]

Still feel that's true lol, pretty sure if I put in a bruxish fusion sprite request that it wouldn't get touched 90% of the time compared to other mons that are easier

[hexed agate]

sadlt I feel that Claydol would fall victim to the Phorretress Fenomenon

[rugged temple]

I don't think so. It has just enough actual form to it to not be stuck in disc hell

[fathom ridge]

But he is my boy

[rugged temple]

It has hands and a "stomach"

Er.. chest

[feral bear]

Team girlboss will never die

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-squirrel-gif-26992616

[rugged temple]

Also the tip of its head could be an antenna for a Rotom fusion

[grave jolt]

How y'all doing?

[stuck bane]

Very well, saving it to my phone

[hollow creek]

the wha

[rugged temple]

Hyper focus on one specific shape

[stuck bane]

Turns out I’m rooting for a lot of teams now, team unova, team Eelektross, team Lilligant, and now team girlboss is back too

[terse fable]

There's definitely good sprites to come from Claydol, I just don't feel it's as spriter friendly compared to other mons we can get, and not sure how cool it is to add a mon that might stay mainly autogens longer than others would