pif-hoenn-discussion

[hushed mantle]

Are you from gen 1-7? Because you're essential

[civic harness]

And this channel still exist?

[lament tundra]

There are more new pokemon to discuss. Meloetta, Cresselia and Bruxish are coming.

[civic harness]

And yes I know, but its assumed that there wont be any more surprises

This channel was made to defend your favorite pokemon, shout when one premieres, and then party or lament depending on the surprise

But all that is over (I think) and well, I see that there are more memes than anything else, as well as discussions about the Pokemon that didnt get the IF and their gens

Very nice place

[stuck bane]

Yeah, because it’s a new Pokémon discussion. Also there’s still plenty of people asking about new mons so pins here are a nice way to direct them too

It will at least stay until meloetta/cresselia/bruxish are added, maybe a few days after the update since people will probably be asking, and maybe more if they decide to give more drips of new Pokémon each month or so

[civic harness]

Anyway, it was fun while it lasted

KAJAJJA

[uneven geyser]

All I could ask is just get the rest of gen 3 in

[proud lion]

Once the update releases and they confirm no new mons will be added for a while, will the channel be archived?

[white meadow]

I hope they atleast Archive it

[white meadow]

nah they are def still announcing more ofc!

[sinful finch]

Landorus

[frail lynx]

who win :))))

[sinful finch]

You’re four levels lower not you

[frail lynx]

realy ?:)))

[sinful finch]

Yes

[frail lynx]

:)))))))))))

[sinful finch]

Also, we should add the unova weather trio

I will admit I was wrong. Congrats.

[prime dust]

#playthrough-talk this is not the channel for stuff like that

[frail lynx]

ok :((

[prime dust]

this channel is to talk about new mons yet to be added, or future mons that might get added

[frail lynx]

oh

sorry :((

[sinful finch]

What about the uvona Trio?

I want them in the game

[white meadow]

Wich trio?

[atomic pawn]

i just want golisopod so NGS will be completed

[sinful finch]

Landorus ect

[sinful finch]

Landorus ect

[silent acorn]

Oh man. Now you are talking the low tiers. That one is hard to push for

[silent acorn]

I think we been pretty active for speculation and other things.

Also in a way you come here and discuss what would be good to add not only as regular runs but also showdown competitive

[stuck bane]

My challenge is still open, bring it, your hoenn bias blinds you

[uneven geyser]

Point taken, maybe just medicham m, crawdaunt and a few others

[stuck bane]

Fair, I respect people who can admit they’re wrong

[atomic pawn]

"b-but luvdisc has potential"

[stuck bane]

The current list of reasons is only water type with heart stamp, and fusion names like Mr. Disc and Luv Jr., those are the 2 freebies, I’m just asking you to match what I bring to the table

[uneven geyser]

Yeah I think I meant the rest of hoen’s appealing Pokemon

[stuck bane]

You just need to find 2 more reasons

[atomic pawn]

nah im not gonna think about something that doesnt exists, i hate luvdisc anyways

[stuck bane]

See? So we shouldn’t add the entirety of hoenn, most is fine, but people gotta watch what they say else it comes true

[atomic pawn]

im not one of that "NoOo HoEnN bEsT aDd EvErY SiNgLe CeLl FrOm HoEn" people so yeah i see lol

i still want round boi tho

[brisk vessel]

If we're talking from a competitive standpoint then the Genies would be amazing additions

Design wise they're basically 3/4 for the price of 6 🥹

[uneven geyser]

In response to this list I just circled what I hope makes the cut, I agreed with food poisoning, don’t need them

Emolga with arbok or seviper getting in too could make a tobi kadachi parody

https://tenor.com/view/tobi-kadachi-toby-tobyshappydance-monster-hunter-gif-26474129

[tame roost]

there are already some tobi fusion if you want

[uneven geyser]

I’m good it’s just a thought is all

[atomic pawn]

i feel like something like this would be the main sprite

[uneven geyser]

Like what kong fought

[tight plume]

I'm upset we're never getting weed cat into the game, such a waste of a perfectly good weed cat

[prime dust]

then learn how to code in rpg maker xp, learn the custom code Frogman made the IF, then do one of the following:

• remake the game from scratch with the above using V21 or higher of Pokemon Essentials
• use the game as is as a base, find a way to upgrade the V18 PE we are running on to V21+
• use the game as is as a base, find a way to downgrade V21+ PE to V18

[uneven geyser]

I’m okay not having G9, made me sad the franchise pulled a cyberpunk 2077

[glass patio]

he was prob joking

[prime dust]

you'd be surprised how many people aren't joking about wanting gen 8 and 9...then i tell them that...they vanish into the fabric of the void

[uneven geyser]

I’ll ignore gen 8 too then

[glass patio]

@tight plume were u joking

[stuck bane]

I just say “see pins”

[glass patio]

i just

[uneven geyser]

I looked at the roster for 8 and 9, and think, yeah no need, but I still like grimmsnarl and toxtricity and some g9 but yeah 1-7 is enough

[stuck bane]

Yeah, there’s another thing too, barring regional forms which probably won’t happen, the Gen 8 roster especially is pretty bland, there’s a handful of good things from that Gen but it won’t be worth all the time it takes to get them in anyways

[uneven geyser]

Yeah especially how disappointing the G8 fossils were

[glass patio]

bro gen 8 i dont like much i kinda like appletun tho
and gen 9 idk i like clodsire but thats a regional and we alr got quagsire which can be used for clod fusions so idk maybe dipplin/hydrapple funny candy apples

[uneven geyser]

I’m just glad tyrantrum made the cut

[tight plume]

I imagine me calling sprigatito "weed cat" is enough indication that I was joking

[fresh salmon]

Gens 8 and 9 would make good additions overall

[glass patio]

@prime dust ure dumb

[uneven geyser]

I can live without my chonky boy, (the fire croc)

[prime dust]

meh

[fresh salmon]

I mean, most of those rosters are a bit filler, but the standouts do make good additions

[uneven geyser]

Nah

[fresh salmon]

And in the end not the entire gen 8/9 dex would make it in

[glass patio]

i’m also not a fan of gen 8-9 starters

from gen 8 ig i’d pick sobble because gun not much else

[prime dust]

gen 8 starters are just bleh, gen 9...the only thing i like is the pepper croc

[uneven geyser]

Yeah compared to previous gens they’re not as good

[fresh salmon]

9 would make good fusions, 8 well, Inteleon has potential but that's it

[tight plume]

I mean I like the sprigatito line, gen 8 and 9 just have the weakest roster overall

[uneven geyser]

I wished rillaboom was more Kong than drummer

[fresh salmon]

It's not that all gens are like that

[glass patio]

and gen 9 bro they ruined quaxly with evolution i loved it quaxly my beloved screw you quaquaval ig fuecoco

[fresh salmon]

Gen 5 is also a mix between banger designs and gen 1 2.0

[glass patio]

true

i still like it tho

[fresh salmon]

same

[uneven geyser]

I still like gothitelle despite it’s just goth gardevoir

[glass patio]

gamefreak why

[uneven geyser]

I’m hoping some new additions give fusion results for a velociraptor

[tight plume]

as long as we eventually get popplio and snivy, all my favourite 3 starters of the 3 types will be in the game

[uneven geyser]

Don’t know why arbok and golem make an ankylosaurus but I’m not complaining

[glass patio]

popplio gives rowlet and snivy gives oshawott so

[tight plume]

I like rowlet, buuut I like snivy more than rowlet

[glass patio]

i mean serperior is cool but smh

[tight plume]

if there was a pokemon game where the starters were snivy, popplio, and cyndaquil, then I could not choose and I would just die within the first 10 seconds

[glass patio]

if there was a pokemon game where the starters were rowlet, oshawott and cyndaquil, then i could not choose and i would just die within the first 10 seconds
oh nvm that game alr exists
but i prefer the regular forms over the hisuian ones

literally those r my 3 fav starters lol

[tight plume]

I like hisuian typhlosion, chill vibes

[glass patio]

idk from hisui i’d just pick oshawott

[glass patio]

nah i wouldn’t die i’d just pick oshawott too because my top 3 starters are oshawott-rowlet-cyndaquil

[tight plume]

I'm biased towards fire types
popplio, rowlet, snivy, piplup and sprigatito are the exceptions

[mortal gate]

Look, I'm just asking for a second (non-sequel) game to have Snivy as an option 😭

Though Hisui Typhlosion was really pretty

[glass patio]

meh it’s weird

[tight plume]

IF should replaced charmander, bulbasaur and squirtle with tepig, snivy and oshawott, that's my opinion

[glass patio]

they’re not even in the game, plus you start on the kanto region so it makes sense for the gen 1 starters

[tight plume]

(even if they aren't lore-wise supposed to be in the game, shhhhutup)

[glass patio]

meh fair i’d like to start with oshawott

[fresh salmon]

If the next Legends game is in Unova Snivy would probably appear wild

[glass patio]

legends kyurem

[tight plume]

then I'd have a reason to pick the grass type, I don't like bulbasaur very much

[glass patio]

the og dragon

[fresh salmon]

I feel that Snivy/Litten/Totodile would make a solid selection

[glass patio]

epic triple fusion

[fresh salmon]

Though I'm not too sure about Chikorita/Tepig/Popplio

[glass patio]

why snivy, legends arceus didnt have sinnoh starters as options

[mortal gate]

Legends was pretty good, I had a lot of fun with it. But like...just imagining another Pokemon game in a world that feels empty and rushed again makes my heart break a little.

[fresh salmon]

I mean if the legends game takes place in Kalos or Paldea

[glass patio]

oh

[mortal gate]

Especially if S/V was indicative of what to expect 😦

[fresh salmon]

I mean

[glass patio]

unova remakes for gen 10 fr

[mortal gate]

I'd still likely buy an play it, lord knows I'm heavy invested in pokemon at this point (every single game, including non-main series (love me some PMD)). I just hope the next entry in the main franchise reignites the spark a bit more. PIF has been holding me over ❤️

[glass patio]

pls don’t pull off a bdsp

#spriter-general message
This video in sproter genreal is why we don’t need gen 9

[fresh salmon]

Grookey/Torchic/Froakie would be the trio if the gen is just one more as the previous in starter trio

[tight plume]

what would your guys' nightmare starter pick be, mine would probably be chimchar, chikorita, quaxly

[gray vine]

what does this mean

[glass patio]

meh idk bout that trio
ig i’d pick grookey

[fresh salmon]

I doubt any of the Paldean starters will appear in the Legends-esque game

[glass patio]

like idk legends arceus alr used up my top 3 fav starters

[mortal gate]

Chespin, Litten, Sobble/Froakie

[tight plume]

I don't mean legends, I just mean generally, if a game had 3 starters, what starters would make you shut off the game and never touch it again

[gray vine]

none

[mortal gate]

If a game had those, I'd literally never be able to pick one. All of them make me want to not play the game :😂

[tight plume]

so you're telling me you don't have starters that you just don't like at all?

[gray vine]

i like the starters even if usually wouldnt pick em, if you dont like the starter, just dont use it

[glass patio]

again closest would be oshawott rowlet cyndaquil but i’d just pick oshawott

[fresh salmon]

If the Legends esque game is set on Unova the Pokemon trio I'd see most probably is Grookey/Torchic/Popplio

[wanton cliff]

Chespin,

[tight plume]

I don't mean positively, I mean negatively

or at least make you catch a rattata so you can box your starter

[fresh salmon]

Are Rowlet, Cyndaquil and Oshawott from Sinnoh?

[mortal gate]

Oshawott is unova

[glass patio]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[gray vine]

lul i did delete it

[fresh salmon]

tbh if Chikorita ends up being the grass starter I wouldn't mind at all if the Meganium form is decent in battle

[gray vine]

uhhh popplio, fennekin, grookey

[fresh salmon]

Worst case scenario for me is sprigatito/fennekin/popplio

[mortal gate]

Wait, people exist who don't like Fennekin?? I had no idea

[glass patio]

tepig, a fire type pig and that one gen 5 fire starter idk

[gray vine]

i like fennekin

but im gonna evolve my mons and delphox is uggo

[fresh salmon]

I like fennekin but only fennekin, not braixen or delphox

[glass patio]

as much as i love gen 5 tepig suuuuuucks

[mortal gate]

I mean...Delphox is still definitely better than 🤢 Incineroar

[prime dust]

the only issue people had with Tepig, was the fact it was the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row...its why when they tease new Fire starters there are two memes:

the first to not stand up on 2 legs
the second to not be part Fighting

[mortal gate]

Or w/e the heck Tepig evolves into

[fresh salmon]

I feel that if Fennekin progressed to more Ninetales-esque mon it would be different

[mortal gate]

Agreed! I wish more mons that started on 4 legs would end on 4 legs.

[glass patio]

it’s not because of fire fighting
it’s because emboar is the ugliest mf ever

[prime dust]

i didn't mind emboar

[tight plume]

sobble, grookey, and litten would also be pretty bad
tepig, chespin, and froakie I don't like either

[wanton cliff]

Emboar is cool

Unova starters are underrated

[glass patio]

[tight plume]

false, I love snivy

[wanton cliff]

Serperior my beloved

[fresh salmon]

I like both snivy and oshawott

[mortal gate]

Emboar looks like a new Digimon designers idea of fakemon 😓. Same for Incineroar

[wanton cliff]

Incineroar is worse emboar

[glass patio]

oshawott my beloved

[glass patio]

i’d take incineroar over emboar

[wanton cliff]

Eh, emboar has more personality

[tight plume]

quaxly too tho, like
this whole line is cursed

[mortal gate]

Snivy/Serpior line is peak. More starters that have final evolutions that look like animals, please 😭

[glass patio]

i liked quaxly they ruined it with evolution

[glass patio]

nuh uh, samurai otter

[tight plume]

I don't like skeledirge, looks like a roll of toothpaste

[wanton cliff]

I usually dont mind the humanoid starters, but quaxly, incineroar, and delphox suck

[tight plume]

I don't like the spicy toothpaste

[mortal gate]

Quaquavel is okay, purely because the feathers that appear when it attacks. But like...Quaxly feels like someone tried to cash in on the "queer theater kid glow up" trope, but had no idea what they were doing.

[wanton cliff]

Primarina is cool

[glass patio]

i don’t hate it but i’m not a big fan of it

[wanton cliff]

I think infernape is overrated

[mortal gate]

All the new starters are just okay imo. Skeledirge I like because at least it looks like an animal, and not just another anthro.

I loved Oshawott's line until I saw how tall Samurott is. I love short kings but like...damn.

[glass patio]

nah it’s not that bad i prefer empoleon but meh it’s not that bad

[wanton cliff]

Meowscarada is the best anthro starter imo

[glass patio]

sinnoh has a great trio

[tight plume]

sprigatito is the only gen 9 starter that evolves into something that doesn't look offensive to my eyes, meowscarada is cool even if furrybait

[wanton cliff]

Torterra is peak though

[mortal gate]

What I'd give to see a mega form for Meowscarada

[fresh salmon]

tbh Inteleon is not that bad either, I like the concept, it just didn't execute that well

[wanton cliff]

It has the most personality of the recent starters imo, it also fits perfectly for a cat

Cats are sneaky animals

[tight plume]

mega evolutions should be a series staple, I hate that they used it as a gimmick

[mortal gate]

AGREE

[wanton cliff]

Why did they have to make delphic bad

[tight plume]

plus terastallize is by far the WORST gimmick in the series, literally shiny + hat

[fresh salmon]

They always end up wasting gimmicks:

1. Pokemon contests
2. Pokemon world tournament
3. Triple/rotation battles
4. Mega evolutions
5. Battle frontier

[wanton cliff]

Braxien is the peak of that line

[fresh salmon]

I didn't include Z-moves because I understand that's a gimmick exclusive to the alola games

[wanton cliff]

Looks wise, it's the worst, gameplay wise, it's my second favourite behind mega

[glass patio]

i only cared bout tera to see chandelure with another chandelier but that’s it

[fresh salmon]

I miss the days where Kangaskhan and Mawile were playable

[wanton cliff]

Terapagos is also my child, so

[fresh salmon]

tbh Tera pokemon shouldn't have gotten the hats, just the crystal texture

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

[glass patio]

the hats r funny tho

[mortal gate]

The newest gimmicks aren't about implementing things that are interesting to players, their about cost and production time reductions. Making a few new sprites for gigantimax wasn't much. Adding moves that all had the same animations for all types was easy and streamlined things. Terra forms are effectively a layer added to each sprite, and likely don't take much either. None of them give "special forms", they just give a new gloss / coat of paint over an existing Pokemon.

[tight plume]

I wish pokemon cared more about quality than quantity

[mortal gate]

Agreed.

[wanton cliff]

They dont need new form for a gimmick to work, they just need to have interesting gameplay, and terra does that

[tight plume]

arceus was the only recent pokemon game that I liked a lot

[wanton cliff]

Not every gimmck should just be, its mega, but we called it something else

[tight plume]

also alpha pokemon, even if lazy gimmick, is a lazy gimmick that's cool

[mortal gate]

I wish one of the next games would be something set in an old continent - just a new story. Give us a couple new mons that have been discovered in the area, and a really well fleshed out gimmick (cough, mega evolution returning, cough) and a solid story. We have visited enough places for now. Work towards fleshing out the world and maybe a penultimate "all continents" game of some kind one day.

I know I'm on hopeium posting this lol, but I've Pokemon taught me how to read and I've always wanted something like this 😅

[tight plume]

I personally just wish gamefreak still cared

[wanton cliff]

I just want then to learn more into the cosmic horror angle with the story

[mortal gate]

Maybe we need an "Obsidian" style company to get rights to make a game? Like Obsidian did with Bethesda.

I'd put my vote towards Spike / Chunsoft, as they've done an amazing job with the PMD games.

[wanton cliff]

Necrozma is my second favourite legendary bc it's one of the few recent ones that actually feels, legendary

[gray vine]

i prefer the corocoboy but shes ho- alright too

[wanton cliff]

It and terapagos

[fresh salmon]

tbh I'd like alpha pokemon to return in a non-Legends game

[wanton cliff]

I want more aliens

[fresh salmon]

Alpha pokemon would also fit in Mystery Dungeon

[gray vine]

we have a few alien mons tbh

[tight plume]

I want a pokemon game that has both alpha pokemon and mega evolutions

alpha mega charizard

[gray vine]

especially if we coint the UB

[wanton cliff]

Alpha mega lopunny is too much for the fandom to handle

[fresh salmon]

Mystery Dungeon is the only series of games which kept megas after gen 8

[wanton cliff]

I half count them

[fresh salmon]

I'd like to have them in the main series once more outside of a Kalos remake or Let's Go games

[wanton cliff]

The main alien pokemon to me are beeheyem, deyoxys, and minior

[fresh salmon]

Clefable?

[wanton cliff]

Ehhhhhhhhh

[mortal gate]

So if we're getting a Unova remake, do you think it'll be just B/W, or will it be B/w/B2/W2

[fresh salmon]

tbh I wouldn't mind having both in a 2DHD style like Octopath Traveler

[wanton cliff]

I just want good new content

[mortal gate]

I would kill for a pokemon game to look like Octopath

[wanton cliff]

I would kill for one to have style

[fresh salmon]

But B2W2 is even huger than Platinum as new content to the region, so ignoring that would be even less acceptable

[glass patio]

MINIOR MENTIONED??????

[mortal gate]

I more meant do you you think they'll make it all one game, or will B2/W2 be made into 4 seperate DLCs we have to buy and play through one by one

Or a seperate game altogether

[fresh salmon]

Also it could be done if they outsource BW to ILCA and GF works on BW2 idk

[wanton cliff]

Personally, my fakemon region is a b/w style soft reboot, with only new pokemon, and pokemon that get new forms/ evos

[fresh salmon]

But tbh if ILCA gets to make BW, the most safe prediction is that they'll make a faithful BW remake with the Entralink having the BW2 dex mons as wild mons being encounterable in the main game before the postgame

Which would be even worse than BDSP, since BW1's purpose is that only Unova mons are used and bringing that from BW2 would kill that

While also killing all BW2 adds as a game

[silent acorn]

To me it's cool furrybait

[wanton cliff]

It's a persona chracter

[silent acorn]

You say that when my boi has gotten no new forms, not variants, no changes whatsoever. Like he is remained the same since his debut. How is that overrated?

[silent acorn]

And? Persona is cool

[wanton cliff]

I mean in the fandom

[wanton cliff]

I'm a persona fan myself, that was a compliment

[silent acorn]

I am hype for him but he is not the one they point at for new stuff. That's blaziken

[mortal gate]

Blaziken is kinda great, though. Bell bottoms or not

[wanton cliff]

I just dont think primates are that appealing of animals for pokemon design

[mortal gate]

Hesitant agreement. Mankey and Primeape were really good, though.

[silent acorn]

Monkes aren't the best but my boi is perfect the way it is. Before we only had Primeape

[wanton cliff]

Anihlape is the only one I like

[glass patio]

Monke

[mortal gate]

I'm not the biggest chimchar / infernape fan, but then again it just looks like Sun Wukong as a pokemon. I knew we'd get a version of that eventually, I just didn't expect it to have Hades from Hercules hair as well 😕

[wanton cliff]

Actaully

I forgot about grafaiai

[silent acorn]

I prefer to ignore that part. I hate sun wukong is mentioned for every single design that looks remotely similar

[silent acorn]

That's not a monkey tho

[wanton cliff]

It's a primate

[silent acorn]

Oh it is.

[wanton cliff]

I said primates, so that includes, apes, monkeys, and lemurs

[silent acorn]

And orangutan pokemon sounds good on paper and the execution is kinda eh

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

[silent acorn]

Actually the hades hair is my favorite part of it.
I prefer to think they went 'Oh super Saiyan hidden reference so cool!'

[mortal gate]

I'm a huge fan of Asian fantasy and literature. JttW has a huge cultural impact on art over there, so depictions of Wukong are pretty standard. Infernape is, unfortunately, Pokemon's spin on Sun Wukong. They just took his staff..and all connections to his lore..Ugh. So many cool things could've been done for a SWK in pokemon. Instead they burned it on a starter that they've since abandoned.

[silent acorn]

He doesn't have the staff though, his body just has the ornamental bits

[mortal gate]

Thats what I'm saying. He should've had a staff.

[silent acorn]

Considering Infinite fusion I am glad they abandon it, I can play with it without stupid extra gimmicks. Nah he is fine without staff

Contrary Malamar+Infernape dark Super Saiyan perfect

[wanton cliff]

I think a fire type tube worm mon would be cool tbh

[mortal gate]

I just want more animal pokemon. Snakes, cats that stay on 4 legs, etc etc

[wanton cliff]

A tube worm is an animal

[tight plume]

there should be more parasitoid pokemon

[silent acorn]

I been wanting a fire snake or bear pokemon forever

[wanton cliff]

Well, the tibe worm mon is gonna be pushed till when I'm done with the lobster

[glass patio]

nuh uh

[silent acorn]

Do I care if the fire bear makes sense? Nope. I just think it would be cool

[wanton cliff]

I made a curse bear

[glass patio]

i’m the least serious one here

[wanton cliff]

I like object mons, I love it when they are just a rock with eyes

[mortal gate]

Chand is okay. I like it well enough.

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

Literally minior
my beloved

[wanton cliff]

YES

Also: gigalith

[mortal gate]

I just want more animal pokemon to fill in the gaps in the ecosystem in my head lol. How do we have entire continents without snakes, large cats, predatory fish, etc

[glass patio]

there’s many pokemon that i think would be cool if they got added like oshawott but if they just added minior that’d be enough for me

[wanton cliff]

Wishiwashi

[mortal gate]

Would Wishiwashi require 2 sprites for every mon though?

[glass patio]

prob

[wanton cliff]

I mean

[silent acorn]

2 slots most likely

[wanton cliff]

Each sprite would be pretty unique, unlike castform

[glass patio]

it’s quite cool tho
since the other form wishiwashi has is just a bunch of wishiwashi together
imagine the fusions that could be done with that

[wanton cliff]

Lopunny, just bieing a big ass rabbit

[mortal gate]

Machamp + lopunny makes my old cat lady heart feel things again

[wanton cliff]

Genuinely adorable lopunny fusions, my beloved

[glass patio]

wooper lopunny is funny

[wanton cliff]

Lopunny reiuniclus, and lopunny glaceon are personal favourites

[glass patio]

I sent the wrong thing hehdbwhwhegehwksjdjdjwwh

[wanton cliff]

So huggable

[glass patio]

https://if.daena.me/194.354/

[wanton cliff]

Lopunny lampent is also good

[glass patio]

:D

[hushed mantle]

It would be goofy if it was just wooper with long legs

[glass patio]

it’s mostly that just remove the ears

[mortal gate]

Ho-oh + Lopunny by purorange is amazing

[wanton cliff]

Omg

A literal goddess

[mortal gate]

Best part? They made 5 variations.

[wanton cliff]

Shiny turns into sephiroth

[dull meadow]

ho-oh with lopunny?

[junior thicket]

That's pretty

[wanton cliff]

Very

[white meadow]

Man I love Lopunny fusions

[wanton cliff]

Same

Lopunny is already my favourite mon

I want a life sized lopunny plush

I would hug it so much

[silent acorn]

Small lopunny is cute. Life size... Er

[wanton cliff]

Its 3'11"

Still smol

[silent acorn]

uncanny...

[weak trellis]

all I can think of this is the alpha buneary screencap from legends

[wanton cliff]

I look down on it

[wanton cliff]

Other than the lack of pupils I love it

[silent acorn]

having a pokemon this size in real life would be interesting.

For reference tallest bunny in the world is 4'3 inches

a lopunny this size.

[wanton cliff]

Perfect hugging size

[white meadow]

It’s all fun and games until it high jump kicks you in the face and sends you through a wall

Its all fun and games until there is a Joker cosplayer

[silent acorn]

It's all fun and games until someone figured out how to make lopunny have it's mega and then we have two

[obtuse silo]

Diggersby>lopunny

Hm i thought someone would argue against that

[inland jewel]

could be a necrozma situation

[white meadow]

We dont cuz you know your wrong

[silent acorn]

Wasn't around. Though having seen United Plays. Honestly diggersby is ugly as ass but getting huge power is good

Specially on a double typying line normal/ground

[obtuse silo]

Its his inner values come on

[silent acorn]

Well... Its not dignified like big chungus

[inland jewel]

Diggersby is fun to use

[silent acorn]

Still I like lopunny more. Has more style

[inland jewel]

I ran diggersby in my team a lot more than Loppuny

the utility is so much more

[silent acorn]

Well let me keep working on my Gen 3 list for points

I put walrein at a 1 mostly because like the slots used on spheal and sealeo aren't really worth it. Walrein is where the price is at. And I mean on the context of community vote because of the constraint of slots for every batch

Alright grumpig is like second hand goods tier. What to do with it.

[stuck bane]

Diggersby tho, C tier at least for the meme alone

[silent acorn]

Hmmm up is like s, then a, orange is like b and yellow C I think

Alright points for the chungus... Hmmm

Well it does have huge power as hidden, does get a few nice utility moves. Gives one ground type, and another normal which, eh fine. Has some moves super fang and such... I am feeling maybe a... 1 or 2.
Its not horrible to deserve a 0, even though i think it's hideous, but I like bunnies. So I think it's workable even if not perfect

combine two ugly fudgers and you get something decent.

looks fine so I think spriters could get creative.

[glossy osprey]

volcanion would be kinda fire tho

[white meadow]

and kinda water

[glossy osprey]

I see it has a very dynamic pose in that photo in the tier list, great for body fusions, which could integrate like the pipes and have them take creative forms depending on the other pokemon

and it could have nice looking head fusions

[hushed mantle]

I think kalos mons are overall really good options

[silent acorn]

My top notch is furfrou because it's the whole package, good ability, multiple sprite choices, a dog (YAYYYYYY) and has a few moves it's stats are also solid. It's design itself is simple and stylish it works so good

I think if we had like furfrou and maybe manectric we would have enough dog mons to make a challenge run with them alone

Furfrou, manectric, houndoom, arcanine, granbull and lycanroc

[obtuse silo]

And water as wel

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[white meadow]

wait, you put the stylist dog in top?

[next flare]

Avalugg would just end up being Torterra2

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/funky-cat-gc-furfrou-hi-chat-gif-11036196600728271557

Torterra 0.2

[inland jewel]

have you seen Heliolisk with his frills out?

[white meadow]

everyone that fought or used one has seen it either the frills open

[inland jewel]

Mon had put him as 0 potential, so i was wondering

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kid-retekmacska-gif-23577615

It's like I dunno. I think it's pretty meh

Explain to me why on Iwattas tomb that thing has Solar Power as a HA?

Dry skin is ridiculously good for mixing with a fire type tho.

[inland jewel]

Helio = Sun 🙂

[white meadow]

water absorb but you take more damage from fire

[inland jewel]

electric/fire type with water immunity

[white meadow]

and heals in rain ig

[inland jewel]

stab thunder in rain

[silent acorn]

Yeah but why is it HA?

I mean that only tells me that Solar Power is pretty bad in general.

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm.... Ok fair I did give the lizard too much crap

[white meadow]

i mean stab thunder in rain is pretty reductive, it's not like other mons can't do that

also lanturn has water absorb too

[inland jewel]

but with dry skin he gets water immunity and he wont have to worry to much about fire types

lanturn gets more milage out of volt though

[weak trellis]

late but gen 5 weather war mon that showed up before nerfs were rolled out

[white meadow]

wym, dry skin would make you worry about fire types more

[inland jewel]

not in rain though, which is what this scenario is

Heliolisk fusion in rain, gets stab thunder that can't miss, can go against water types that can't attack him with STAB or Rain boost, and won't have to worry about fire types so Dryskin's downside is mitigated

[zinc prairie]

that's the problem with Heliolisk, putting it in Sun kills off 2 of its moves (Thunder is 50 acc in Sun, Surf that is meant for Grounds is gone), Rain with Dry Skin on a mon that is paper thin is a mon that needs weather for it to have an ability and can't carry its own weight is sort of dead in the water; in a casual PIF playthrough you're almost always taking the other fusion' piece's ability unless you're dedicating another teamslot to weather

[inland jewel]

the simple solution is just don't use that fusion when sun is out

alternatively fuse it with a mon that won't be as punished if it was in the sun

electric/fire with water immunity and can still utilize sun is still a thing

[white meadow]

it would be so funny if fusions could have two abilities

[inland jewel]

Frogman has teased double ability mode before

[silent acorn]

So I raised Heliliosk behind Meowstic I still don't like the design

revised tier

[zinc prairie]

the fusion stat distribution will incentivize Fire/Normal more than Electric/Fire, especially with the statlines of the current Fires in game

you'd want Solar Power as a Fire type in Sun more for POWER

[silent acorn]

Alternatively you could get Electric/Rock. That way you resist water even in rain and also resist fire it would also resist steel types

[hushed mantle]

Can slurpuffer be with it's other fairy pal?

[inland jewel]

Heliolisk will be a head pokemon, which the head is electric since the primary type is Electric

[elfin goblet]

i still want spheal and espurr in

[silent acorn]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[zinc prairie]

it's a body because its faster than every single Fire type that isn't Talonflame, you want to grab as much of its speed as possible and tack on a Fire type with much higher SpAtk

[silent acorn]

ground still a pain? when has it not been one?

This is still very reliable and quite a troll on rain imagine that. Because even if the foe uses thunder on you it isn't gonna do much

Still this very close to one of the best typying in the game

[inland jewel]

he doesn't need speed though, as a body Speed is the only stat that would be good. the ATK and DEF is mediocre to bad

[silent acorn]

Let me test a theorem

[inland jewel]

as a head, the 33 speed it gives and keeping the majority of its SpAtk and SpDef is really really good

[zinc prairie]

you don't need Atk if you're a Special bomb, and you don't need Defense if you've got a killer mentaility like him

this is probably the maximum you could make this with Fire types, unfortunatey secondary Fire types are not as good

in terms of giving what this mon wants

[silent acorn]

has a stat total higher than their individual parts

[zinc prairie]

damn bruh you gave him a new identity LOL

well, you can't really use Gigalith for this since this was just PIF canon mons

as far as I read 🤷

[silent acorn]

Its a very good set tho

ladies and gents. heliolem

[zinc prairie]

I think Manaphy with Tail Glow and its innate Parabolic Charge would be the OU version like how it is with people spamming Lanturn shit

wonder what the Solar Power one would be

[silent acorn]

Probably better not to go there. I didn't even get started on the fact this can use parabolic charge to be a huge pain on the rear

The fact solar power makes you lose health is the most bs piece downside ever

[zinc prairie]

this mf doesn't even get Solarbeam LMAO

[silent acorn]

It might be good if you had like a groudon or Torkoal on your team to set up

[silent acorn]

Nah but it's ONE build where its immune to water makes it gold

ultimate tank aggron does it again.

Like most npcs and teams will inevitably run a rain Setter

This right here. Is the ultimate troll move. Not only do you resist but you also hit back agaisnt those

It's not unbalanced as inevitably a ground move will mess you up unless you have the little Balloon

[white meadow]

why would anyone make heliolisk a tank

[silent acorn]

Fighting will struggle because LOOK AT THAT DEFENSE

[silent acorn]

Stab parabolic charge to win the long run

Imagine doubles. Almost nothing can resist that HP sap

It's special which no matter what will deal nice damage

[white meadow]

all it takes is one ground type

[silent acorn]

Balloon of Doon

[white meadow]

one ground type that has to use coverage once

[silent acorn]

Counterattack with a water type or grass type

On doubles it's a nighmare on single it's a troll. It's very good

You have to pray to the Kung Fu God's you nail it hard with that one attack

damn this is what a fire/poison dry skin Toxicroak resist

this looks vile hehe

perfection

[silent acorn]

@inland jewel tell me is this what you envisioned?

I feel like there is a need for the physical not sure.

[inland jewel]

i feel like a move that isn't just parabolic to damage others

but yee, idea was to make use of its advantages in rain but also some answers to if it gets caught in the sun

[silent acorn]

This one is the stall combo

Granted get rain going and you can replace parabolic with Thunder along with sleep talk for buffing

[inland jewel]

there are multiple good sets for it

[silent acorn]

It doesn't look it but being able to use moves asleep prevents you from getting paralyzed and poisoned

Also burn only debuffs atk and you can get rid of it by sleeping

Main idea is, go in, buff once with quiver dance, do it again if you can, rest, sleep talk, use thunder

And then you can sweep. By then your speed is enough to get rid of newcomers into the field

Agaisnt special attackers the quiver dance will cover for you, skill swapping would be one weakness. Trick room could also mess you up

[bitter comet]

I don’t do PVP and don’t really understand most of the terms, but this hypothetical heilolisk fusion sounds terrifying

[hushed mantle]

One ground type and it's over

Even if a coverage move doesn't KO it, heliolgron doesn't have any move to use to counter them

[tranquil path]

Or just thousand arrows

[silent acorn]

Fair points but hey we had a good run until the ground nation attacked

[white meadow]

It has been a while since I posted this, but

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pokemon-gif-19673442

[silent acorn]

No

https://tenor.com/view/victini-cringe-gif-23527085

[gray vine]

yes

[hushed mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/slurpuff-good-morning-wake-up-pokemon-gif-27675576

[inland jewel]

Good morning to Slurpuff and Pachirisu enjoyers

[plush inlet]

Consider the following

[inland jewel]

Arrest Victini right now

he got kissed by a minor/baby

[brisk vessel]

I wanna post a gif here but I don't know if it's allowed

[inland jewel]

if its not related to the new pokemon/ pokemon not in the game then its best not to in this chat

if its off topic then we do have a channel for that

[brisk vessel]

Why would you build speed if you want to make a tank

[silent acorn]

I have turned a new leaf. I renounce everything. SLURPUFF SUPREMACY!

[stuck bane]

You finally saw spritework?

Anyways, Slurpuff is S for design and mechanics, Aromatisse still doesn’t have anywhere near as much design potential, but being one of the only fairy type heads bumps it up to at least A tier making it a high priority for that alone

[glass patio]

actually i’ve never seen slurpuff spritework but meh it’s prob not that mu- oh nevermind

[gray vine]

i mean its living cotton candy dog

[brisk vessel]

I like dogs so I can give slurpuff a point there

Also any head fusions would start with Slur and I think that's funny

[glass patio]

but rock with googly eyes

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-genshin-impact-genshin-impact-hu-tao-gif-25908086

Anyways can we add Archeops and Diancie pls thanks

[glass patio]

Also these ones made by someone idk

one day…

also first minior fusion in gallery

[brisk vessel]

Where's the Meloetta one.

[glass patio]

oh nice

[brisk vessel]

That's better

[glass patio]

not first minior in gallery

but still first minior fusion

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm.

I dont think that's as good as you think. What about the strats? Shedinja isn't very powerful for shields down

[glass patio]

I know
But funny

I don’t care bout strats I just wanna sprite funny rocks smh

[silent acorn]

Rock/plants for the win

Fair.

[silent acorn]

It was the Jynx...

[glass patio]

most shedinja fusions aren’t good
and i still make them

[silent acorn]

Flamingo or plague doctor owl look it's good honestly. For head fusions anyway which is what we want slurpuff anyway

[glass patio]

oh i’m gonna upload this to tenor

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/magnify-magnifyingglass-spy-observe-search-gif-10918910732386058072

Hmmm something is up. Something is not quite fitting here.

[glass patio]

pat pat

[silent acorn]

Where is the one above all?

Where is the goodest one

[glass patio]

hmmmmm

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-gif-24622425

You have failed. Your mission your vision it has been all for naught, you didn't achieve you failed and crashed

[tranquil path]

mr mime/slurpuff would be mr. puff

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mrs-puff-switch-on-gif-13840405

[silent acorn]

WHERE.IS.MY.PUPPY?

[glass patio]

wth is bro yapping about

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-where-is-she-nikkal-nikkalkundhal-nick-gif-18076474

[stuck bane]

Plague doctor is fair, I don’t see how you’re getting flamingo from this, the colors maybe but a spriter isn’t gonna look at this and say “flamingo fusions”, owl I just don’t see it especially since we have actual owls in IF already, so my point still stands, nowhere near as much design potential as Slurpuff, even if it did magically have those other things

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-baker-no-games-serious-funny-dogs-trouble-gif-16540189

[silent acorn]

Little pink feather dress

[glass patio]

from what ive seen both slurpuff body and head fusions are good

y know every fusion can be good if someone puts effort in it

[stuck bane]

Yeah, The colors maybe, but pink feather alone doesn’t 100% equal flamingo

[silent acorn]

You have forsaken me. I call blasphemy upon this omission of the BEST DOG for the job!

Seriously who could make it good... Well if bucklin is as dense as volcanic rocks I guess I gotta rely on her

[brisk vessel]

We should add Gen 8 support so we can get Eternatus

[stuck bane]

Yes but as luvdisc has proven some sprites have more potential for far less effort, which is why we discuss

[stuck bane]

Lillipup

[glass patio]

also look at these eeveelutions

they’re beautiful

[stuck bane]

Ooooo I didn’t see those, those are fun ones

Super creative too

[silent acorn]

Done sho

[glass patio]

ice cream

[silent acorn]

Nah it's too late. Bucklin can't change fate anymore.

[glass patio]

i love umbreon this is even better

[silent acorn]

Oh nice these are adorable

[stuck bane]

I feel like I missed something and you’re intentionally being vague about it and that’s honestly pretty rude

[silent acorn]

Don'chu worry about it. I am fixing a painful omission I didn't see before

[glass patio]

y know now i like slurpuff
but just for the fusions
not a big fan of the pokemon itself

[silent acorn]

So @glass patio you are the shedinja master right?

[glass patio]

i’m not i don’t know how to make those awesome spooky shedinjas

i just make shedinjas

[stuck bane]

I’d say he’s at least the single weakness shedinja master

[silent acorn]

Singular shedinja jutsu

[obsidian berry]

Please I need swirlix fusions

[glass patio]

i’ve only made two of those

[silent acorn]

Nah I sent a request to cristata

Lets see if they accept it. Just realized like shedinja works nicely with rocks

[glass patio]

low quality ikr

[silent acorn]

That Furret is normal bug isn't it?

[glass patio]

normal ghost

[stuck bane]

2/11 ain’t bad, that’s a good percentage, also is it too much to say cristata is the only Lycanroc artist interested in making actual Lycanroc fusions where everyone else just makes fursona OCs?

[silent acorn]

Oh right I forget

[brisk vessel]

Melo head gives normal
Shedinja body gives ghost

[glass patio]

truee
(i was replying to the cristata thing)

[silent acorn]

She made my Jynx request and that was beautiful

[glass patio]

[silent acorn]

Decent stats but not the best of typyings lol

[stuck bane]

Although I think there’s already meloinja or 2 iirc

[glass patio]

yea i wanna do other stuff

i’m currently doing poliwag line shedinja since none of them are done and funny water halos #1198782267678543872

just missing politoed

cute fellas

hear me out shedinja is cute

[glass patio]

“i dont care about strats”
also me:
omg shedinja fusion with one weakness

[brisk vessel]

It's a shame this game doesn't have Heavy-duty Boots

[glass patio]

Oh gosh i love this why did i never care bout slurpuff jebejwbwhwqkksjfjd

it just didn’t seem like an interesting design
and it isn’t it’s just because of the fusions

[glass patio]

i got hungy

make sunkern slurpuff have popcorn

[brisk vessel]

Slurkern

[silent acorn]

I wanna see how good the stats for slurpuff/Jynx are.

[hushed mantle]

I like slurpuff because it looks like it talks like ABHABLABHLABHALABLAH

[stuck bane]

Poppuff

[wet radish]

Catdog.

[glass patio]

wth

[astral sundial]

Anyone know when cresselia and meloetta are coming

[glass patio]

idk

[cedar merlin]

i cannot believe i missed the bruxish sweep

[stuck bane]

Doesn’t seem like Jynx/Slurpuff is gonna be that good, jynx’s special tends to clash with slurpuff’s physical (especially for stuff like belly drum), but I theory-crafted this and want feedback:

Belly drum unburden with the sitrus berry is probably the play? But STAB drain punch probably allows that to be a bit more flexible if you’re feeling risky. Stab play rough obviously, and acrobatics since you shouldn’t be holding an item unless the opponent has fling. Fairy fighting I think is a pretty good offensive type as well

[zinc prairie]

Meloetta-Piroette about to be the best mon in Gen 7 IF OU

[plucky bobcat]

Wait, Slurpuff got added?

[brisk solstice]

I think they're just talking about showdown, I haven't seen any announcement for slurpuff

[white meadow]

assuming it stays ou

[mystic crystal]

Yeah slurpuffs not added; it just has a lot of cool fusions in spritework

[white meadow]

I wish

[plucky bobcat]

Imagine if Florges got added. 154 Sp. Defense and 112 Sp. Attack would make it a killer head component of a Fusion + Fairy type + Flower aesthetic fusion sprite

[white meadow]

Arent its hp kinda good too

[brisk vessel]

78
It's servicable

[white meadow]

Sad

[woven maple]

So y'all think we're getting another announcement on February 1st? Valentine's day? Later?

The only pokemon we've recieved post-raffle were released on holidays, so I'm wondering if they're just sticking with that pattern

[white meadow]

Likely imo
Something heart or love related
Maybe even a duo like Seviper and Zangoose

[woven maple]

If they ever get introduced, I want there to be an event where we compete over which one can get the most completion in a month

[white meadow]

Thats great idea
Even tho i think Seviper wins

[white meadow]

Thinking about it
They also would fit cuz they can breed

[woven maple]

But if we're thinking Valentine's theme, there's Luvdisc or Alomomola

[white meadow]

Swoobat

Or the flower alola mon

Cuz in Alola if you gift someone a Comfey it means you like that person a lot

[woven maple]

Imagine using another living being as nothing more than an object to signal your affections

Alolans are weird tbh

[white meadow]

Applin

[tame roost]

A least living flower make sense. Galarian gift living APPLE as a show of love.

[white meadow]

Lol we reminded him of the same

[tame roost]

Yeah

[white meadow]

Actually its just a fairy collecting flowers

[golden acorn]

I think we might have to wait until april. Next number should be 469

So we could expect a Joke mon or something on april 1st

[stuck bane]

See pins, meloetta is 466 and 467, cresselia is 468, and Brux is 469, so next up is 470. Anyways April 1st can be a funny one, but the cresselia rush suspiciously ends a few days before valentines, but iirc it’s the day after lunar new year, so idk, could be.

[silent acorn]

It's this an early April's fools joke? Why it isnt you get a Phione for your troubles and nothing else

[wanton cliff]

Are the elemental monkeys in the game?

That would be a funny April fools joke

[stuck bane]

Yes, I’m super hoping for April fools monkeys because it could be so funny

[white meadow]

Wait
Did Hero talk about he tries that next round of Pokemon Torkoal will be 470
And with next round it sound like again 10-20~

[glass patio]

or anything dumb
i wouldn’t be annoyed to get a pokemon i really hate if it is on april fools

[stuck bane]

just because a single mod wants it, doesnt mean its guaranteed to get in the game, last vote proved that. There was other stuff like oshawott and archeops that mods wanted too, and none of them made it either, don't get your hopes up about torkoal just yet. He wanted torkoal as 470 because it wasn't decided, but now that its been some time, maybe they have decided, who knows. also what do you mean by next round 10-20?

[white meadow]

Nah I dont say it will be torkoal
But the next bigger load of mons will probably start at 470

[stuck bane]

I'm cool with anything but luvdisc, if it gets in the game I'm gonna @ frog to give me the 2 other reasons I was looking for with luvdisc

[white meadow]

Something stupid for april fools would be cool

[stuck bane]

well, obviously, unless we have a "filler arc" of new mons before august. which could work, a pokemon line is on average 2 slots for easy math, 2 for february, 2 for march, april, may, june, july, that's about 12 slots, and especially if they want to make things easy with multiple 1 slotters and getting to 480 or so is super reasonable just in time for the next vote

[white meadow]

Y before August?

[stuck bane]

||but that would also deconfirm monkeys for april fools ||

[stuck bane]

august was when the last vote started iirc

[white meadow]

Its fine we dont need wish Grookey and Chimchar (and a water monkey)

[white meadow]

But that doesnt mean earlyesr vote or mon set will be at august

[stuck bane]

fair enough, but if I had to predict they might try another vote then, maybe summer instead since more people in the community are available? 4 lines?

[white meadow]

I dont think that more people are available than
Probably the same amount
Cuz most people go on Vacation when they dont have work or school
And its often not a good idea to give the choice a child

[silent acorn]

I think they vetoed Torkoal or something weird

[ivory rune]

ah damn I liked Torkoal 😔

[white meadow]

yeah because they decided to make meloetta take 2 slots

worth it

[sterile spoke]

Untrue, it just didn't win the raffle. 😅

[white meadow]

nvm ig

when is pachirisu getting added?

[white meadow]

Torkoal is Fire tho

[silent acorn]

Pachichi it's become the other luvdisc now. I think the championship is just an excuse to obsess over it.

[glass patio]

you can’t just say “when is pokemon i like getting added” and expect to get an answer when it hasn’t even been said in #announcements

[silent acorn]

Hmmm

[glass patio]

with that being said, when is minior getting added?

[white meadow]

[silent acorn]

When is the next solar eclipse?

[glass patio]

[silent acorn]

Alright pachurusu gets a flat 0
It was inevitable like the fact Minior is getting in

Chatot now... Gayshlatt is a weirdo. But atleast I can see the little parrot has a bit more potential for special birds +1 respect

[glass patio]

wait

necroreon use photon geyser or idk what was the move

there

[silent acorn]

That's when minior is getting in

[glass patio]

POG MINIOR IS GETTING IN

[silent acorn]

Now you have me in your camp, yes I turned over a new leaf over many mons including slurpuff

Fun fact I give pelipper more credit than Pachirisu Nyehehehe

[glass patio]

WAIT WTF IS THAT A BROKEN OUTLINE

[silent acorn]

-10000000 social credit

[glass patio]

THERE’S NO WAY 💀💀💀💀💀 I’VE UPDATED THAT SPRITE SO MANY TIMES AND I’VE PUT IT IN SPRITE ERRORS TWICE

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

NECROREON YOU BASTARD

guess i gotta put it in #1052360360172199977 a third time

third time is the charm, right?

right?

[silent acorn]

Nah 99th time is the charm

Every else was just skill

[glass patio]

how did i mess that up

[stuck bane]

I KNOW RIGHT?!?!?! I’m so freaking sick of it “when are they adding Pachirisu?” “When are they adding gogoat?” “When are they adding skuntank?” “When are they adding Torkoal?” I’m gonna start keeping a list of all the mons that have been begged like that, not adding anything to the discussion, and make sure they get zeroes

[glass patio]

When are they adding minior?

[stuck bane]

I know you did it for the meme, but there are exceptions, don’t keep doing it though

[glass patio]

BROOOOOOOO THE FIRST EVER VERSION HAD THAT ISSUE HOW DIDNT I NOTICE THAT I CANT-

HWRHEHHWJEJEJWJWJWJJD

necroreon is officially the sprite that has taken me the longest to complete

even if i dont count the broken outline

[silent acorn]

You are gonna see me slap a joke for Lillies but I am legit downgrading mons where that's happening

Like those +3 from slurpuff for me may turn into 1 again if there are spammers. GIVE ME SPRITES NOT BOT MESSAGES!

[silent acorn]

Now I am conflicted

On one hand I don't love purugly on the other hand...

[glass patio]

WAIT IT WASNT MY FAULT THE BASE I USED HAD THAT ERROR

[silent acorn]

I absolutely love the Samurott Purugly

[glass patio]

i love samurott that is quite a fat samurott

[silent acorn]

What to do... I love it so much I would just give it a 3

[silent acorn]

I just love it for the how more regal it looks

[glass patio]

Meh there’s snorlax we alr got a fat pokemon

[silent acorn]

I hate snorlax. I want a fatty cool mon

[glass patio]

how is purugly cool actually explain yourself and tell me how purugly is better than snorlax

[silent acorn]

Screw it. Purugly Is 3. I need that SAMUROTT

[glass patio]

oh gosh i’ve done it so much that i can’t forget the dex number
450.197
than number haunts me

[silent acorn]

450.197

[glass patio]

stoopid broken outline

[silent acorn]

But you know purugly can be really cool I really like grumpy cats and ||450.197||

[glass patio]

[silent acorn]

One single design converts me to ugly cat side. That's all you need to persuade me.

[glass patio]

meh it’s ok there’s worse pokemon

[silent acorn]

I know its not good. But hey I like it, also it's like having another persian

[glass patio]

fuse persian with snorlax idk

[glass patio]

While im at it, i discovered ultra necro uses gray outlines for the light parts

I didn’t really care before but meh

[silent acorn]

Something cool with Purugly is that she has defiant and thick fat, meaning it mixes well with grass and flying. But also has hone claws and fury swipes, on top of defiant I imagine you could be able to dish out high damage being hit with a single debuff

[hushed mantle]

Honestly i prefer delcatty over purugly but it would be better if neither got in

[marble meadow]

custumisation in the near future neat

[glass patio]

it’s awesome

i want a shedinja thing for my character idk

[marble meadow]

i want a cofagrigus costum

[silent acorn]

Sorry, I am die hard for the Samugly

[glass patio]

y know you could just make anything because it’s so easy to just go into the files of the game and change stuff

[silent acorn]

not the best but very usable

Alternatively I read that Purugly can use Hone Claws and Hypnosis to always make fall asleep

[hushed mantle]

doesn't samurott learn swords dance?

[ivory rune]

it should get swords dance yeah

[prime dust]

long as it can know/learn the move according to US/UM learnsets

[stuck bane]

Bruh Samugly is a funny dude, but I think the flinch strats should be left to the serene grace users who get 60%+ flinch chances, not to mention having 2 water type moves makes you hard countered by ghost fused with anything resisting/immune to water, which is a lot considering how popular ghost types are compared to every other type

[stuck bane]

This however seems disgusting, super fang for half hp, doubled power stab brine if super fang works, and then surf and air slash if you run into a ghost type

Although maybe it’s not that good, majority of mons carry leftovers

[glass patio]

Katten 🔥🔥🔥

[next flare]

Total type counts for Pokemon in the game (Updated as of Cresselia announcement)

Grass - 19 (+3)
Fire - 18 (+1)
Water - 34 (+3)
Ice - 11 (+4)
Bug - 18 (+1)
Flying - 26 (+5)
Poison - 15 (+3)
Normal - 25 (+3)
Electric - 15 (+1)
Ground - 20 (+1)
Rock - 16 (+5)
Steel - 20 (+1)
Ghost - 14 (+6)
Fighting - 12 (+4)
Psychic - 23 (+5)
Dark - 13 (+3)
Dragon - 16* (+6)
Fairy - 12

A few things i should note about how caffeine counted it:

• Only final evolutions count. If a line has multiple final evolutions, they're counted seperately. If a line loses a typing when it evolves, it still counts (e.g. Scyther, Onix)
• If a mon doesn't transfer its typing during fusion, it doesn't count (e.g. Dragonite's flying type, Legendary bird's flying type, all Normal/Flying type's Normal typing)
• *Dragon types despite being in the double digits is highly inflated by multiple legendaries, all of which are only available post game. Not counting legendaries, there are only 7 dragon types.
• The numbers in brackets are what will be added to the count with the new mons
• Counted the 4 Oricorio typings as only 1 Flying type
• Counted Necrozma as 1 psychic type since the form has the same typing

[fair jewel]

God damn, i forgot i did that at all

Hmm, in the end we never got a single new fairy type lol

[glass patio]

Huh

only fairy one i want now is slurpuff for the food

[fair jewel]

Hmm? When i made the list, was that before or after 6.0? Cuz iirc, 6.0 made changes to the way typings are transferred, specifically special exclusions no longer apply except for Normal/Flying types

[glass patio]

oh maybe shedinja with whipped cream halo

[next flare]

Before

[fair jewel]

Damn... i'll need to recalc the whole thing

[ember agate]

Could'nt find a fitting place to ask this.. If I download the game, does it automatically have all of the new sprites, or do I have to manually add every update of new sprites from when the game first came out?

[next flare]

#gameplay-help

[ember agate]

Oh thanks!

[obtuse silo]

Do some mons still have the exception with their typing?

[green panther]

Yes. I'm not sure if there is a comprehensive list, but I know for example that the Doduo line always gives Flying

[sullen elbow]

I think they removed alot of them

[obtuse silo]

Yeah thats what i thought

[fair jewel]

Only all Normal/Flying types still transfer their flying typing only with the exception of Fletchfinder

[white meadow]

All normal/flying mons give flying
Trevenant is Grass/Ghost

[obtuse silo]

There used to be a few more

[green panther]

Wasn't the Geodude line always transfering Rock, too at some point?

[fair jewel]

Nope

[green panther]

hmm

[white meadow]

It did but got changed in V6

[fair jewel]

Geodude line didn't have any type exceptions, at the very least not since i joined

[white meadow]

It did
Geodude line always gave rock

[green panther]

Ah ok, I wasn't remembering it wrong then

[fair jewel]

Hmm? I don't remember seeing it in the exceptions list at the time

Oh damn, u right, it's there
they transfered only rock prior to 6.0

[obtuse silo]

Charizard had one too

Idk if kyurem got one

[fair jewel]

It didn't. It only applied to gen 1 and some gen 2 Pokemon for some reason

[obtuse silo]

Dewgong transfered ice as head

Or is it primary ice

[silent acorn]

I prefer rock only golem is predictable and easy to use

[silent acorn]

Never got around finding one to test only use the sprite finder but I remember it gave water on the body

[stuck bane]

Few things:

With the new system of fusion, the legendary birds now transfer flying type if they’re the body of the fusion. Iirc, this affects other stuff like charizard now transferring flying, and I can verify this as I had a goldeen/gyarados in a nuzlocke that was water flying instead of pure water

The dragon type point is moot because while yes, most of the dragons are legendaries, it’s also the one with the least number left to pick up with 6-7 lines iirc, we do not need more dragon types super badly

[silent acorn]

It's good that normal/flying only passes flying. Although a shame for not being able to make ghost/normal birbs

[silent acorn]

Aside from like Drampa I think we are good on dragons. Like drampa is cool because it's one slot interesting ability. Although druddigon is semi interesting

Still I want black Kirby and needle dragon. I don't care for kommo-o

[stuck bane]

Druddigon
Dragalge
Zygarde
Turtonator
Drampa
Kommo-o
Guzzlord
Naganadel

8 lines left and we have every single dragon type in the game. I’d want to at least get 50% of every other type represented before we try to completionist that

[sullen elbow]

I do kinda wish that at least one fully evolved normal flying was able to pass normal

[fair jewel]

This should be more up to date.
Total type counts for Pokemon in the game (Updated as of Cresselia announcement)

Grass - 19 (+3)
Fire - 18 (+1)
Water - 34 (+2)
Ice - 11 (+3)
Bug - 18 (+1)
Flying - 32 (+3)
Poison - 16 (+3)
Normal - 25 (+2)
Electric - 15 (+1)
Ground - 22 (+1)
Rock - 17 (+5)
Steel - 19 (+1)
Ghost - 14 (+6)
Fighting - 12 (+3)
Psychic - 25 (+5)
Dark - 12 (+3)
Dragon - 16 (+4)
Fairy - 12

A few things i should note about how i counted it:

• The numbers in brackets are Pokemon added/will be added after 6.0
• Only final evolutions count. If a line has multiple final evolutions, they're counted seperately. If a line loses a typing when it evolves, it still counts (e.g. Eevee, Scyther, Onix, Nincada, Pupitar)
• Normal/Flying types only counts as Flying type as they lose Normal typing during fusions
• Counted the 4 Oricorio's flying typings as only 1
• Counted both Meloetta's normal typings as only 1
• Counted Necrozma and its Ultra form as 1 psychic type due to the way it works

[bright elm]

Nice. Yeah I would love to see more fairy types. Slurpuff, Xerneas, Ribombees line, and Carbink would be such fun fusion material

[sullen elbow]

why carbink when we could have diancie?

[glossy osprey]

both is good

[stuck bane]

Yes but both also costs 2 slots, and 2 fairy type body slots at that. Don’t get me wrong I want diancie super bad, ribbon is enough proof of that, but I also understand that being able to get a full team of 6 fairy type heads would be great for balance, so diancie/Carbink can be separated since we don’t need more rock types atm anyways

[silent acorn]

It's a good backup

[bright elm]

true, but he's so cute and smol

[glass patio]

Meh they’ll prob just come together

[glass patio]

oh

[obtuse silo]

Fairy heads would be nice, same with ice

[obtuse lava]

Id love to see avalugg but i feel his fusions and torterra's would have a little bit too much overlap

[obtuse silo]

I think crygonal has a interesting face to work with

A bit ghostly lokking

[glass patio]

@stuck bane

i summon you

[glass patio]

he didnt get summoned damn

[stuck bane]

I was taking a shower 1s

@obtuse silo

Cryogonal: snowflake fusions, and one of the highest special defense stats in the game, as well as a good special attack and speed, and the only ice type (besides frost rotom) with access to levitate, also the only ice type with access to bind (for some reason), and the only pure ice type with natural access to night slash, and the only non-legendary pure ice type with access to ancient power, and the only pure ice type with access to confuse ray

[silent acorn]

Either swellow or toucan non would be your best candidates. I prefer Staraptor only flying passing.

[silent acorn]

Mentioning that one, we could do with more one off ice types. Only ones I think are regice and lapras

[sullen elbow]

I guess staraptor could pass stab reckless double edge so it wouldn't be that bad

[silent acorn]

Maybe but I hate the normal type anyway

Maybe a mix of dusknoir and Staraptor would be good with normal tho

I just think fighter Staraptor is good

If it mix with my monkey I think flare blitz would be even more lethal

[glass patio]

shedinja

[white meadow]

double edge shedinja 🔥

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shedinja-pokemon-black-sludge-showdown-pokemon-showdown-gif-13406113263484430684

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/shedinja-pokemon-black-sludge-showdown-pokemon-showdown-gif-13406113263484430684

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah a free sacrifice...

[quaint sapphire]

Shedninja + Lucario 🔥

[glass patio]

smh more than one weakness

[quaint sapphire]

Nuh uh, it's only weak to fire

[glass patio]

WAIT HOLY WHAT-

[quaint sapphire]

Mhm

You can make really OP fusions with Shedinja lol

[glass patio]

i’ve been so blind this entire time thinking that only normal/ghost and dark/ghost were the shedinja fusion types with one weakness

my whole life is a lie
is there anything else i missed too

[quaint sapphire]

My friend has a list of good Shedinja fusions

[brisk solstice]

Its just that fairy isn't a very common move to run into so its the most preferred

[glass patio]

https://if.daena.me/289.296/
nice sprite

[quaint sapphire]

these are the only good shedinja fusions because 1 weakness wonder guard (there are a few left out)
the 2 in the box can learn endeavor which will set their hp to yours (which is 1), allowing for a 2 move ko on literally anything

[glass patio]

oh ok there’s nothing else im missing

[quaint sapphire]

(I copied and pasted what my friend said lol)

[glass patio]

but dang i had no idea that bug/steel was just one weakness

the problem with shedinja is the status stuff

[quaint sapphire]

Yea

[glass patio]

it dies immediately

but well i still like my boy

[glass patio]

damn my fav steel type mon has steel as a primary typing (aggron)

[brisk solstice]

I wanted to see how far I could make it with a shed fusion as a starter, but the leech seeders in viridian forest ended that very quickly

[glass patio]

[alpine rune]

me when sucker punch

me when sandstorm ttar

[white meadow]

snow warning delibird for bug steel shedinjas 🔥

[alpine rune]

charmander with focus sash

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/lekko-stronniczy-magazyn-bezbek-bezbek-karol-paciorek-włodek-markowicz-gif-27624628

[junior notch]

MF WHAT BOUT DARK

WAIT WHAT EVEN ARE STEELS RESIST COS NO WAY DARK AND GHOST ARE ON IT

[stuck bane]

Wow those really are the only two that naturally learn endeavor huh? However if we include breeding there are other options that can learn endeavor like kangaskhan and exploud. And I don’t think there’s a move tutor for endeavor in IF but the attackdex says wigglytuff, tauros, blissey, Zangoose, lopunny, Watchog, ferrothorn, Bouffalant, Durant, diggersby, Furfrou, Gumshoos, Komala, togedemaru, and Drampa could be viable options as well

Unless stuff like lopunny can learn endeavor from the tutor in the 2nd level of the Pokémon center?

[silent acorn]

4 weaknesses
Very common ones fire, grounds, ghost and dark

[wanton cliff]

Every tried stabbing a ghost?

[stuck bane]

What are you talking about??? I know dark and ghost used to be resisted by steel, but I think that was changed in gen 6. Steel is not weak to ghost and dark, only fire, ground, and fighting iirc

[junior notch]

We talking about steel/ghost

[plain gorge]

Seviper and gothita line needs to be added

[wanton cliff]

No

[plain gorge]

Yes

Why not

[stuck bane]

Seviper is popular, and brings a unique color palette, I’ll give it that, I’m just not the biggest fan of it. Gothitelle on the other hand brings a lot of potential:

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only psychic type to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk, also the only psychic type with access to play nice, and the only pure psychic type with access to tickle naturally, and the only pure psychic type with access to double slap, and the only pure psychic type with access to embargo naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn fake tears naturally, and the only pure psychic type to learn feint attack, it also brings goth names like gothkid, gothqueen, goth jr., etc.

[brisk solstice]

Litwick line gets shadow tag as well

[stuck bane]

I’m pretty sure they don’t, as Delibird’s ability was only changed since it’s HA was the same as a regular ability, I’m pretty sure frog isn’t changing and removing abilities on a whim

[brisk solstice]

It's intentionally changed

[sullen elbow]

It had it in gen 5 but it was changed before it was ever obtainable

[stuck bane]

Well I’ll be damned, add that to the list of HAs that can be changed, because Lycanroc is about to get tough claws if replacing HAs is on the table, do I hear a meloetta pirouette with the HA scrappy?

[stuck bane]

Oooo that’s interesting, I’ll have to look into that

Well dang, one of my favorites is even better than I thought, that could be a valid reason for making it shadow tag as I think the game was built on Gen 5 at first right?

[brisk solstice]

correct

[stuck bane]

Also edited the reasons for Gothitelle to account for chandelure, thanks for that

[white meadow]

Designe wise Seviper brings a lot

[stuck bane]

It’s got colors, but what does it bring design wise? The fangs and tail? I just don’t see it, I think most people will just make “Pokémon but with seviper’s color palette” since that’s what I’ve seen so far

If be much more interested in Zangoose between the two since the claws are sick and it gets a unique ability

[white meadow]

I definetly decided to want it after seeing a Scolipede fusion with ti

[stuck bane]

is it on the server?

[white meadow]

And when you search in #1050404143807873157 seviper there is even more

Some sick some bad ones

[stuck bane]

ok thats cool I'll admit, but it still has most of the same issue, thats just scolipede with seviper's tail and colors. although to be fair you can't really have a unique design from just snake, but look at this:

that entire rockruff line has the same issue, and the trubbish ones, and the slurpuff one, granted all the three below them are unique and creative, but I think seviper is being too overhyped for offering so little, its good if more of the bottom 3 fusions are made, otherwise...

[white meadow]

Yeah but its pretty much the Rockruff or meloetta situation again
Either its sick or its not good
And to the "its just this and that"
Ofc most people learn here to do that
Like Zards are a put on head, tail and wings
Bruxish is just a pattern and glued on lips
And many more mons have that problem
But obviously there are always 2 sides

[white meadow]

Like imagine how often we just get a glued on head or a black white version of Sylveon head sprites if we add Gothitell

There are just a few mons that will have mostly shit designes
For example Marshadow

[glass patio]

hello
i still feel dumb from yesterday

[white meadow]

Y what happend

[stuck bane]

first of all, I refuse to read something so horribly formatted, what is this supposed to be a poem?

secondly, gothitelle sylveon absolutely has potential, its got the side disks, sylveon could wear the gothitelle dress, not to mention it would be sick anyways since both pokemon have ribbons that can be fused together

not to say seviper is bad, I think seviper is a fine choice, it's just that people are saying it's an S tier when it so clearly isn't. it has potential, but there's only so much you can do with a head and a tail, serperior at least has regal designs and leaf arms and frills, seviper doesn't have those so its good, but not S tier

[glass patio]

i didnt know that you could also make shedinja fusions with one weakness with bug/steel

[white meadow]

First
Seviper is more than head+tail
Second
I didnt mean a Gothi/Sylveon I meant all Sylveon head fusions could be colors black/white and nearly go as a gothi

[white meadow]

There are many ways to do that

[glass patio]

normal ghost and dark ghost i alr knew those

but i didnt know bug steel

[stuck bane]

where is it, its got the tail design and fangs, beyond that I don't see how its different from any other snake mon

[glass patio]

and also this shedinja registeel is really cool

[stuck bane]

yes it has a cool pattern with the black and red and yellow scales, but thats a color palette, not the design itself

wait a minute

these things protrude out, IS SEVIPER A FUCKING CATERPILLAR

[glass patio]

what is bro yapping about

[stuck bane]

then what are they? spikes that just so happen to be touching the ground?

[glass patio]

seviper is just a funny snek why do u care so much

[stuck bane]

I don't hate seviper, I just never noticed this until just now

[glass patio]

i mean yea ig it doesn’t bring much

[white meadow]

It also has Metal on it with the Golden plates so it can add armor
And it has Scars wich we could add
Small leg nobs for mons with no legs
Etc

[stuck bane]

I thinks its clearly supposed to be scales, and not metal, are the purple parts supposed to be scars? and yeah I suppose we're in agreement on leg nubs then

[white meadow]

Shedinja/Seviper searches your location

[white meadow]

Well they look like gold plates/scales so I guess people will use it for armor
And since Zangoose has scar markings I think the light purple parts are scars too

[glass patio]

snek shedinja idk my brain doesn’t work

[stuck bane]

snekinja

[glass patio]

heehee

[stuck bane]

sevinja is a cool name tho

[glass patio]

i mean we alr got sneks in if
like uhm
arbok ig

and uhhhh
is rayquaza a snek

what makes a snek?

[stuck bane]

but lastly none of the current seviper sprites are treating the gold scales as armor, they are treating them like scales, so I dont think the "seviper would bring armor fusions" has much weight to it either, I don't think anybody sees seviper like a poison/steel type

[stuck bane]

rayquaza is like the snake from the bible, where legs were taken away, but arceus was doing the one move he has in smash and only his back two legs were lost and then he learned how to be like one of those kites that looks like a net and then learned to fly, true story

[glass patio]

uhhhhhh
very true

that’s how arceus made the pokemon world

[stuck bane]

Arceus: "check this out, I saw a thwomp from mario do this once"

[glass patio]

lmfao

[white meadow]

Well rayquaza is a Flying Lindwurm or something in that direction

[wanton cliff]

It's some serpentine dragon

[white meadow]

If we would count noodle bods than gyarados and Milotic are snakes

[wanton cliff]

Dunsparce

[marble meadow]

yeah there a few with solid fusion and idc if malamar isn,t in if even though it can have good fusions or refs

[white meadow]

Malamar is for fusions belowe Seviper
Cuz I feel like the fusions end up ass most of the time

[marble meadow]

yeah my other two picks are liligant and escavalier

but eh what do i know

but what,s your opinions about ludicollo

[stuck bane]

Malamar under seviper for fusions is one of the most wild take I’ve ever seen. Squid fusions, upside down fusions, deep sea light pattern fusions, hypnotizing fusions since that’s what the squid it’s based on has. I get you like hoenn mons but malamar is way ahead of seviper in terms of design, and that’s not even getting into the mechanical reasons like contrary and topsy-turvy

[white meadow]

Hey
I love Malamar I used one
But as I know the server we get more quality sprites would be from Seviper than Malamar

[stuck bane]

I just don't see what quality sprites seviper brings, about half of what I've seen has been creative or interesting, meanwhile malamar is above most unova mons, and that's saying alot considering I'm unova man

[hushed mantle]

Imo one of the only good points of bringing seviper is that it also brings zangoose

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror_b-pokemon-pokemon_xd-battle-afro-gif-15350699

i want his afro in the game or him as a costum

also i gonna do a mirro.b run if ludicollo get,s added

also i need to check what other mons he had

[stuck bane]

im pretty sure someone is working on/has completed adding his hair as one of the customs in the character creator

[marble meadow]

nice i keep that a mind for my future run also ludicollo would be funny for if for silly fusions or just give every mon a sombrero

[stuck bane]

I think lilligant is better as a grass type own tempo user, and we really don't need more water types, and adding ludicolo means another potential 3 slots for getting its counterpart shiftry in, although I won't deny ludicolo is popular and has design potential for sure

[marble meadow]

i see at least i got enough ghost types

i like ghost types ghost are my number 1 2nd dark and 3rd place psychic

but now i wait and see maybe those mons who get in will give me ideas for some runs

that,s reminds me i need to start my sharpedo run

[white meadow]

you have some Malamar examples

[glass patio]

kiwi sent this

and also this

so uhm

yea

[stuck bane]

While it’s true there aren’t many malamar examples, this one still gives a good idea of what the spriter was trying to go for. And not to mention, examples aren’t really needed for obvious design potential: meloetta had almost no musical instrument fusions before the results of the raffle, but we knew it was gonna bring musical instrument fusions anyways because obviously it was going to, malamar is the same situation: it gives squid fusions because obviously it does, upside down fusions because obviously it does, it absolutely could make fusions of some of the deep sea leviathans from subnautica, and it obviously would bring a whole rainbow of colors and potential from the squid it’s based on and all its Pokédex entries talking about the patterns being hypnotizing:

[white meadow]

I would never see Torterra in that

[stuck bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cuttlefish-cephalopod-ocean-gif-3518175

[glass patio]

that’s nice the land goes upside down
still needs more torterra

[stuck bane]

Listen I know the spriter gave up on it like partway through but you obviously see what they were going for

Either way, that’s still a lot more than sevipers patterns, tail, fangs, and nub legs as total reasons

[white meadow]

I could make a Seviper too thats just plants, rock and water

[glass patio]

Yea i do like the idea

i like malamar for making upside down stuff
i mean we have voltorb and electrode but malamar is more than a ball

[white meadow]

That Spin hitmon thing

[glass patio]

daxa made an upside down dunsparce with electrode btw lmao

[white meadow]

Nice

[glass patio]

ecrapsnud

they also made

[glass patio]

but anyways ig malamar would be cool

[white meadow]

Yeah it would be cool but fusion wise worse than Seviper imo

[glass patio]

nah

[stuck bane]

I still feel like malamar fills a big hole in potential that the others can't. voltorb is just a ball, and hitmontop is more for spinning top fusions, so malamar really doesn't have much competition in that area. Meanwhile seviper has to contend with ekans, arbok, and a myriad of other snake like mons like onix, gyarados, milotic, dratini, dragonair, etc

[glass patio]

i’d rather malamar
not that seviper would be bad tho

can we just have peace between malamar and seviper

[white meadow]

why do they even got beef with each other anyway

[stuck bane]

both have good odds anyways, malamar with the obvious design potential with contrary and topsy-turvy, and seviper made like 8th place or something in the spriter vote, both have decent odds of getting

[glass patio]

there you go now they’re both united as one

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nah seviper fights with zangoose lmao
i just find this funny

[white meadow]

But we could also add everything malamar is similiar too
Tentacruel as a example
Mismagius is also kinda squid/jelly fish like
Also hitmontop can balance on its head it dont have to spin also in sprite form there isnt even a diffrence

[white meadow]

ik about that, just wondering why argue the two against each other

[stuck bane]

tentacruel is a jellyfish, mismagius is just a cloak

[white meadow]

a cloak with a hat

[white meadow]

Started here

[glass patio]

seviper and zangoose finally stopped fighting and united as one

[white meadow]

Tentacruel is meant to be a kraken

[white meadow]

Did you know Seviper and Zangoose can breed

[glass patio]

Ok i was gonna say something that would have probably broken rule 2

[white meadow]

Dm it

[stuck bane]

this is the part where malamar vs seviper started, which I really didn't think was even a conversation we needed to have:

[white meadow]

ig

[glass patio]

seviper’s true rival

wait no malamar wins because psychic super effective against poison

[stuck bane]

you can dislike malamar, people have dislikes all the time, saying every fusion malamar will bring will be ass is way too much, in fact I'm gonna keep that so I can show it to him again after malamar is added

[white meadow]

I never said I dislike it
And I didnt say all will be bad
I said that most would be ass
It easyer to make quality stuff with seviper imo
Just thinking of the fucked shading from the upside down fusion
The non dynamic poses
Or the just recolors with a upside down mon

[glass patio]

That’s fair good point

[gray vine]

hate fucking

[white meadow]

breh

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I mean its not awefull

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https://tenor.com/view/hazbinhotel-angeldust-charlie-alastor-sirpentious-gif-20503833

Pov you

[stuck bane]

y'know, thats fair, I misunderstood you, seviper does bring more fusions since it's an easier design, same boat as simple stuff like castform, so in that regard seviper is above malamar in terms of fusions

[white meadow]

Game play wise Malamar always wins tho

[white meadow]

Castform head is just a Pokemon with Peter griffin face in white

[stuck bane]

malamar does have more than just mechanics, but I see where you're coming from

[white meadow]

Also to the Seviper part
We dont have a mon that adds long Fangs
I see that as a bonus point

[stuck bane]

wait really?

[white meadow]

Only other mon I can think of is Walrain

But both are not in PIF

[stuck bane]

yeah I'm skimming through... I don't really see anything that screams "vampire fang fusions" which could be another point in sevipers favor (excluding stuff like mamoswine because obviously thats different)

[white meadow]

Tusks are tooth too but its diffrent

Would be like saying Moose antlers and goat horns are the same

guys we don't have a whatever the fuck is masquerain is so we should totally add it!

I mean if we want wing pattern Vivillion works better

[stuck bane]

yep, plenty of pokemon with fangs, but none really besides seviper and walrein can say "I have fangs the size of my head"

[white meadow]

Also thinking of snake types having a Viper is cool
We have a Kobra
Serpent dragons
Snake mimics
And there are so many interesting Vipers

• Body wise we can treat its tail like Aegislash lines sword

[silent acorn]

Heavy price very heavy