pif-hoenn-discussion

[stuck bane]

Go to tech support, scroll down to bottom of list of channels

[glass patio]

nah, theyre auto generated

[lime gull]

And hand crafted shinies for each of them

[rocky condor]

~~and yet still we can't get unlocked shiny legendaries ~~

[lime gull]

What i wonder is how the anime kept the spots consistant between scenes with the same Spinda lol

[stuck bane]

“Welcome to the world of Pokémon! You’re about to take your first steps into the Spinter region, are you ready?”

[pallid sigil]

It would be crazy if shinies were in the game to get two shinies at once

[lime gull]

Youre not a true shiny completionist if you dont catch all Spinda shinies

[stuck bane]

I think you can, but it’s super rare

[glass patio]

nahhhh

[pallid sigil]

You might as well win the lottery

[glass patio]

they are

[rocky condor]

Every single SPRITE should be a spinda. The house is a stretched out spinda, the player sprites a spinda, everything

[glass patio]

but theyre different from regular shinies

[lime gull]

Then you encounter what should be actual Spinda in gane data and its a Kecleon just colored like Spinda

[glass patio]

someone make a mod for that

spinda infinite fusion

[pallid sigil]

Shiny spindy plus rare spinda

[digital ferry]

Pokémon Infinite Spinda

[glass patio]

||or what if the devs actually do it for april first||

[lime gull]

Spinda for april fools it is then

[glass patio]

Nah, idk if spinda would be that bad, the joke is the amount of patterns it has

i dont hate spinda funny pokemon

[rocky condor]

Fuse two spindas and you get a spinda with 2 dots. Or just a shiny spinda. No change needed

[pallid sigil]

Just add the most cursed fusions to replace cool ones for a day from the fusion dex

[stuck bane]

Honestly, after playing that dbz infinite fusion April fools game, I’d be so down for that, and then after you beat the gold at the end of the game with the only Pokémon everywhere being spinda, it reveals spinda will be joining infinite fusion

[lime gull]

Or its eyes swirl in opposite direction

[glass patio]

double spinda should be completely red because of spot excess

[digital ferry]

You get a red Spinda

[glass patio]

we said basically the same idea
nice

[stuck bane]

Nah, I’d spin

[lime gull]

Spindreigon...its heads are tied into a knot

[pallid sigil]

Just add the most cursed fusions to replace cool ones for a day from the fusion dex

[glass patio]

minior spinda pls same eyes

[pallid sigil]

For April Fools

[glass patio]

like that would take a long time
but itd be fun to make them all alt joke sprites

[lime gull]

Replace all sprites with Bruxish

[pallid sigil]

Have y’all seen charizard t-tar fused

It is sick

[glass patio]

[pallid sigil]

April Fools concept,pokemon infinite fusion mobile so some random mom’s phone explodes

[stuck bane]

I may think hoenn is way too overrated, but I'l give you guys this one:

[pallid sigil]

April Fools concept,pokemon infinite fusion mobile so some random mom’s phone explodes

[glass patio]

i will steal that

[stuck bane]

please post that for every single reveal and gaslight people into thinking spindas gonna winda whole thing

[vague oar]

Imagine different colors of spinda, and fusions should either be spinda with both dot colors or the mid color between both

[digital ferry]

We had Bruxish Sweep. Now it’s time for Spinda to winda whole thing

[pallid sigil]

Unless they have a iPhone 15

[outer matrix]

changed spinda colors reflect typing? like having a purple one being poison typing

[glass patio]

now spinda is actually sounding interesting

[stuck bane]

I mean, it doesnt have much besides only normal type with contrary, but at least that's something, either way I'm not allowed to be upset about any more pokemon that get in because meloetta got in, but I wouldnt hate spinda anyways

the word hate and pokemon really only applies to gen 8 starters at this point for me at least

[digital ferry]

I know someone on staff was a Spinda fan but I forget who now

[lament tundra]

Frogman himself said that if he added Spinda, he'd have to do the millions of patterns too

[silent acorn]

Mylli Monke's favorite pokemon

[glass patio]

dead chat xd

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-door-monster-jumpscare-gif-22225990

[stuck bane]

Ok, people keep saying he said that, but I’ve seen no proof, Is there a post or something somewhere I can see?

[silent acorn]

He said it as a joke but not much else really

[stuck bane]

Yeah I prob figured

[silent acorn]

I keep believing that Spinda should be treated as a rick and morty pokemon

Where there is countless variance and types of spinda from all dimensions

[lament tundra]

Someone posted a screenshot a while ago

I know it was meant to be a joke, but I think it's a funny one

[silent acorn]

Yeah but he still said that's a joke
Also is virtually impossible to actually add all the types

[stuck bane]

Yeah but I saw one person vehemently defending it as if it weren’t a joke and they were actually gonna make 4b+ spindas that each took their own slot, it obviously would be 1 slot and spriters choice of spots

[silent acorn]

Every png on average weights around 16kb multiply that by the 4 billion spindas

[stuck bane]

PNG or sprite because I think sprites are less right?

[outer matrix]

Also multiply that by 469?

[lament tundra]

Sprites are pngs

[stuck bane]

Anyways we’re still in agreement that’s too much, we can have up to billions of slots now, but it never said what billions it was, prob 2-3 billion at best

Also bro all these cresselia fusions of Pokémon not yet in the game, cresselia makes such beautiful fusions and are like perfect for swaying people to vote for them

[faint crypt]

less go bruxish

[weak trellis]

||"you got any games on your phone???"||

[glass patio]

dead chat xd

[plush inlet]

Says you

[stuck bane]

oh yeah jake wait 1s theres some more victini reasons I found

[plush inlet]

I will be waiting ™

[stuck bane]

Use this as ammo in the next vote

Victini: victory star and gets V-create, and only Mon that gets searing shot (100 base power signature move available right at the get go from level 1!), and could bring a liberty garden themed event as well, also the only fire type that can learn confusion, and the only psychic type that can learn focus energy, and the only psychic type that can learn incinerate

I’ll eventually post the entirety of the list of reasons for unova v2, but it’s gonna take a while so I won’t be talking here as much for now, anyways we could always build more meme tier lists, like 1 for each type, the rock update, the fairy update, dragons might not have enough left to do a dragon update but you get my point

[empty pendant]

once we get serperior and victini we can make contrary v-create snake

[plush inlet]

Yoooo, good build

[stuck bane]

Unpopular opinion, Serperior has always been the best contrary user because it has the speed to get it started

(Besides enamorus but that’s not in this game, also Serperior is my fav starter too)

[empty pendant]

that's not unpopular that's just the truth, I love lurantis but I desperately wish it was better, and malamar is really funky and fun but it's not... great

lurantis is my favorite contrary user but serperior is objectively better than it functionally

[plush inlet]

This got me thinking about Serperior's collar being set on fire for that fusion...

[stuck bane]

Yeah I feel you, I love leavanny but lurantis brings more for less slots and better mechanics

But a royal victini/Serperior would go so hard

[autumn radish]

What if we get Lurantis with Serperior and Victini as well?

[empty pendant]

I mean, that'd be awesome and I'd be very happy, I love Lurantis

[stuck bane]

I’d take it, but unlikely 2 grass type contrary users in the same update, but both are extremely popular too

[empty pendant]

Unless we just get every Contrary 'mon for April Fool's

[stuck bane]

Actually when is opposites day? Contrary could be fun for an opposites day reveal

[prime dust]

any day can be opposite day, it isn't a "holiday" by any standard

[autumn radish]

January 25th, i think?

[plush inlet]

Ideal scenario: Victini should be revealed on Cinco de Mayo.

[stuck bane]

Seems like it is Jan 25th then

It could work, also Serperior victini fusions have cool names as well:

[plush inlet]

Ooooo

[stuck bane]

And 104/108 speed is pretty good since garchomp ||used to|| be a benchmark for a good speed stat

[plush inlet]

I'll sketch two ideas for Victini/Serp fusions and post them in the art channel soon. I'm motivated.

[autumn radish]

Serpetini and Victrior works well.
What about Lurtini and Victantis?

Because technically, while Serperior can give a good speed boost, Lurantis is a slow but strong physical fighter.

[stuck bane]

lurantis could work as a more defensive one? it doesn't have bad defenses and a good attack too, but in that case I feel it'd have to be fused with a water type to give a good defensive typing as well: ice types have proven you can have the most rediculous stats but it means nothing with a bad typing

although I suppose grass/fire isn't the worst defensive typing, its still much better offensively

[empty pendant]

Grass/Fire is surprisingly good as a type.

[silent acorn]

Fire/grass so It can get stab fire and weather boost alongside solar blade

[stuck bane]

oh yeah solar blade I forgot about that one

[autumn radish]

Yeah, could work.
Plus, Lurantis gets Superpower as a move, and Victini's V-Create affects its defense and special defense, so a Contrary fusion between the two would make it a speedy tank that can wreck everyone if not dealt with as soon as possible.

[stuck bane]

so what you invest in speed or choice scarf and spam superpower or?

[autumn radish]

Technically not sure. Either i could use V-Create to boost both defenses and speed, or Superpower to make a physical tank.

[stuck bane]

yeah I suppose both could work, in fact what are serperior's contrary moves?

[autumn radish]

there's Leaf Storm.
That would be work for a good special attack build.
Now that i think about it, Victini does learn Overheat, so both Lurantis and Serperior could benefit from Special Attack increase.

[stuck bane]

well, v-create is physical, so maybe lurantis lends to a victini specific fusion better, actually damn does serperior only get leafstorm?

[autumn radish]

Yeah, it only gets Leaf Storm.
Thought, Serperior's advantage over Lurantis is that its faster, so there's that.
Honestly, both Lurantis and Serperior are a good fit for Contrary... And i wonder what would happen if both of them are fused together with Contrary.

[stuck bane]

actually yeah you're right special attacking leaf storm and overheat are both really good, and v-create is still good because even if you don't invest in attack stat, it still gives your stat buffs, not to mention grass+fire hits most types in the game on its own

[empty pendant]

unfortunately lurantis and serperior are both grass types with restricted movepools who'd both benefit more from being fused with something that gives them different options than with each other--lurantis would go great with fighting types to give it stab close combat and/or superpower, or victini for v-create; serperior would work best with dragons or fire types that have access to draco meteor or overheat

[autumn radish]

I don't see that as a problem.
It would be still a good fit regardless.

[empty pendant]

oh I just meant "unfortunately fusing them with each other would be kinda lame. here's what they each want instead"

[plush inlet]

Finished both!

[autumn radish]

Oh wait, i think there's another candidate for both Lurantis and Serperior's Contrary shenanigans: Regigigas.

[stuck bane]

dang alot of them just seem like they're not good, even hydreigon only gets draco meteor, so victini/serperior would still be better (arguably) since you're at least able to hit all the stats: overheat and leaf storm for good coverage offense, and v-create to stack up defenses and speed, with probably synthesis or something to heal out any damage you take before your defenses get going

[stuck bane]

I think its a candidate for mostly lurantis, gigas's attack lends to lurantis's build better

[autumn radish]

Let's not also forget Victini/Lurantis, which not only has the Overheat and V-create, but also Superpower as well.

[autumn radish]

Yeah, true.

[stuck bane]

I was talking about special attackers like hydreigon, but victini still seems better than them, lurantis lends itself to fighting types better for close combat which usually means a 4x weakness

then again, grass just isn't good, no matter what you fuse it with for hydreigon, its gonna have that dreaded 4x weakness on top of all the others

[autumn radish]

Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Thought, i can understand that a pokemon that can get stronger with moves that would make it weaker, still has its weakness to cover up.

[stuck bane]

I'm still team serperior/victini, grass fire doesnt have any 4x weaknesses, and is only weak to poison/flying/rock, 2 of which can be dealt with either by grass type leafstorm or one of victini's psychic type moves, and it gets stored power. yeah, leaf storm/overheat/v-create/stored power, and then leftovers or something, could be really good with that base speed to get it started too

yeah, and stored power is special too, thats another thing it has over physical attack build, yeah this is really good

[glossy osprey]

if you're team serptini make a serptini

(I'd love to see it)

[stuck bane]

I can't sprite, only horrible photoshops using whatever program mac has, jake already did concept arts for both in the artwork channel tho

[glossy osprey]

I thought the same thing until a few months ago

you can do it!

[stuck bane]

I really really can’t, I’m just not a good artist, I’ll give like reasons in lists and stuff whenever I have time to make them but if I were to sprite the best I would do is touch up the autogen sprites and call it there

Bruh of course I look at beheeyem after finalizing the gaslight update list:

Probably replace musharna with beheeyem since they’re both Gen 5 psychic types

[green thicket]

Why aren’t they add gen 8 or 9 and when are they adding bruxish and cresselia

[white meadow]

Cuz the engine is too old and when updating it breaks the game

To your other question we dont know

[green thicket]

Oh

So will they add all the other gens beside those two

[stuck bane]

Anything beyond gen 8 will not be in the game

Anything between Gen 3-7 might be in the game, some pending and some never like dusk Lycanroc

[white meadow]

Probably over time

[green thicket]

Ok

I was so excited for those gens some of the Pokémon might have some good fusions

[stuck bane]

Yeah, but unless you want to try translating code like 4x over in an easy concise way, it’s unfortunately not happening

[white meadow]

Maybe frogman suprises us one day but until than we can only work with mons until gen 7 wich is more than enough to be fair

[zinc prairie]

so 7.0 and not 7.5 got it

Zeraora/Stak/Naganadel are 7.5 rip

[white meadow]

Gen 7 are also the USUM games
Only Mon im not sure about is Meltan

But I think he isnt going to be added cuz he is a mon that first was available in gen 8

[zinc prairie]

it was available Gen 7

[white meadow]

Gimme a sec I check something

[zinc prairie]

you're probably one of the smart people who didn't buy Let's Go

[white meadow]

Those were all voteable mons they only forgot to add the alola flower fairy and the gen 3 Pearl mon was stated
No meltan or melmetal

[zinc prairie]

Pokemon Go/Let's Go are fraudulent games confirmed

[stuck bane]

no meltan and melmetal were definitely on that list, the public one at least, I think the reason is that LGPE were using gen 7 code, which essentials used, so melmetal was in that code despite it not being in USUM or something

yep there they are:

[white meadow]

Oh
Is that from the spriter poll?

[clever atlas]

Melmetal was in the public poll too iirc

[lime gull]

Watching Pokemon Concierge. It makes the elemental monkeys pretty cute

[clever atlas]

Concierge? Whuddat?

[lime gull]

A new Netflix miniseries

Stop motion animated

[clever atlas]

Ooh stop-motion is great

[stuck bane]

Yep, found it just by searching “has:image” and “melmetal”

[prime dust]

plus they are on the tierlist as well

and they are listed as the last 2 mons of Gen 7 [US/UM] according to Serebii.net

[silent acorn]

no don't you dare

[dull panther]

Ngl regarding the ultra beasts as not fitting doesn’t make too much sense ngl, they really could have just sent you to ultra space and they could have made pretty good fusion material, also aren’t Naganadel and Poipole also ultra beasts

Hey, maybe voting will open again in the future

[white meadow]

The fitting is more meant in a sense that many only wanted to add one specific UB
Naganadel and Necrozma feel more like legendarys and standalone UBs while the others all have a counterpart

[silent acorn]

Then again Poipole evolves like Cosmog

I fear when valentine arrives for the cursed content that will bring

[white meadow]

yeah and cosmog is a legendary
Also I would prever that we get Cosmog before the UBs so we can have a logical story or way to get them

[white meadow]

i hope we get Luvdisc than

[silent acorn]

I like it that people say that and I never know whether they are serious or not

[white meadow]

nah im Serious
It is fine and a easy way to farm heartscales

[silent acorn]

Why do we need a mon to farm those... We just get them normally in game
Also wouldn't it be easier to just add alomomola and do the same with it?

[white meadow]

Cuz I dont like to add a Legi without a reason
and UBs make it a bigger problem cuz they are basically legendarys and come canonly from another dimension

[white meadow]

Just let Frog decide to make Alomomola a luvdisc evo that would make both better

[silent acorn]

How would that make Alomomola better? It's already peak heart pokemon without being attached to another one.

[unique flame]

alomomola would make a nice head, and water type is always great

[feral bear]

Kartana can make ultra wormholes by cutting the air enough times, so thats a good enough reason to have it be a one off

[silent acorn]

Know what I also like about alomomola is that it has a really nice gentle expression and looking like a sweet pink angel

[unique flame]

frog never made a change to a normal mon, he at best give more moves to certain fusions

[silent acorn]

Meaning luvdisc would stay the same thing forever

with the right stuff Alomomola can end up quite pretty

[eager jungle]

kinda looks like a lapras imo

[eager jungle]

or inverted typing

but that's all

[stuck bane]

Musharna isn’t really a gaslighter though! It says it gives bad dreams if it expels black smoke and that’s already pretty much non-canon because the info came from sword and shield

[stuck bane]

They’re stats could not be more different anyways, we’re not deviating from the main games that much. Hell bruxish makes more sense as a luvdisc evo since it has similar speed and gets an attack boost, and lips aren’t a huge stretch above heart shape

[silent acorn]

No it makes people fall asleep

[silent acorn]

Also musharna is cute and mystifying, I like the idea of gassy fusions

look at this, adorable

[stuck bane]

Aaaaand how is it gaslighting? Also you know these are mostly joke update lists right? I’m sorry but beheeyem fits the bill better, even though I also like musharna more

Manipulating memories is literally gaslighting beheeyem has to be on that list 1000%

[silent acorn]

Kinda wish beeheeyem was weirder.

[silent acorn]

Do you hate my mushy?

Seriously though, having use it, it's an interesting mon

[stuck bane]

I DONT I JUST SAID MUSHARNA IS A FAVORITE OF MINE TOO IM UNOVA MAN

[feral bear]

I love musharna and beeheeyem i think we should let the girls have them both

[stuck bane]

Fine 1s

[silent acorn]

The thing I don't quite like about beeheeyem is that it's quite convulated, has too many elements on its design

[feral bear]

I just love alien 👽

[stuck bane]

I like the even-ness of all the lists, so somebody has to go if we're adding musharna

meowstic? iirc the psychically attacking dex entry is from swsh too

[silent acorn]

I feel like you could switch Gothitelle with Musharna and you would still have a gatekeeper

Like Musharna is just asleep next to the gate and those that pass fall asleep

As long as you breathe in the gas you fall asleep

Also Gothitelle is quite a let down when you compare it to Musharna

[stuck bane]

how is musharna a gatekeeper? gatekeeper doesn't really apply to dreams, and thats a big stretch, anyways I want gothietelle there because 1. its counterpart is in the game and 2. shadow tag is perfect for the term of gatekeeping

[stuck bane]

im sorry thats wrong ive been comparing them and although I like musharna more gothitelle has more reasons

[silent acorn]

Out of all counterparts Gothitelle is the one I would say I least would worry about.

Seriously let me bring up something.

[stuck bane]

im not moving gothitelle I'm willing to move meowstic but not gothitelle musharna in gatekeep makes no sense

[silent acorn]

The first Chart is musharna the second Gothitelle.
So i have used this mon, thrown it at Gothorita and I can tell you that Musharna can quite beat Gothitelle. Given Musharna has one neat trick, you use yawn and then nighmare and then dream eater

If musharna had access to sleep powder moves she can easily give everyone nighmares

[stuck bane]

stats alone don't determine how good a pokemon is, its like your same arguments as to why sawsbuck should be considered over bouffalant

[silent acorn]

I am not joking I was freaking elated when I learned they get that move

[stuck bane]

fine I'll really get out the lists I've been working on, just remember gothitelle's isn't done yet

[silent acorn]

Honestly wish Gothitelle had something like 'Gothic Melody' or a signature

[silent acorn]

One of the only non mythical to learn nighmare by level up

I used this move, it's damn fun seeing the opponets health chip away

[stuck bane]

Musharna: it’s already an overworld mon, can make dream fusions, floral pattern fusions, and you can get one extremely early since it’s a moon stone evolution, also serves as an amazing head with good hp, special attack, and special defense, only psychic type with access to defense curl, and the only non-legendary psychic type to learn lucky chant naturally

Gothitelle: its counterpart is already in the game, good defense, special attack, and special defense, Gothitelle lore memes, only way to get shadow tag besides wobbuffet (don’t need to rely on a fusion partner for your only attacking moves), only psychic type to naturally get competitive, and the only psychic type to get frisk

I’m also not including nightmare because it has to compete for it with hypno, same reasoning as before, don’t want people saying “we already have hypno musharna isn’t necessary!” So I’m ignoring it

im gonna go have breakfast, this is the list, I'll look at everything when I get back

[silent acorn]

Hehehe did it

[stuck bane]

im down for replacing meowstic, but gothitelle makes too much sense in gatekeep

so although it's a stretch, turning your nightmares into reality is kind of gaslighting, musharna has a reason, at least

[silent acorn]

[sullen elbow]

Not my psychic cat

[silent acorn]

Hang on a second why is buzzwole on girlboss?

[stuck bane]

only female mosquitos drink blood

buzzwole, is in fact, a chick

(also I had to make a deal with sprite manager in order to get their blessing for these lists)

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah I was thinking it might have been that

[silent acorn]

Fun fact as a matter of fact Mandibuzz is a female only species

Because they aren't regular condors they are floridian ones

[stuck bane]

Ok if you think meowstic should be there who do you think it should replace? I like the even-ness of everything

[stuck bane]

Yeah, but it doesn’t scream girlboss since that tier filled up super quickly, mandibuzz is girlboss, just not competing with the level of the other more popular girl bosses

[silent acorn]

Understandable

Technically Florges is also that but it's not popular in that sense

damn dude this feels like Selta Queen from Monster Hunter 4U

Surprisingly works as a regular fusion

This is Bug Psychic supposedly

OOOH weird

[red radish]

I wish tynamo line was in the game. I love Eelektross and with levitate things could busted, and also eel fusions are fun. Imagine a mario 64 eel sprite for a porygon eelektross fusion

[silent acorn]

Mask of red death

Fascinating

OOOH wow check this one out

What part of aromatisse pallete could cause the tip of the ears to turn black?

Demonic Tapu I like it

Interesting what would this make Nihilego?

This kinda feels like what Aromatisse should have end up being

Jesus this is cursed

Does this mean Nihilego works as a girlboss material?

[unique flame]

i want liligant so bad

i swear if we got her i abandon my fish challenge to do her

[stuck bane]

Absolute big same, talking about Lilligant is what made this list take off in the first place, for Lilligant alone id love the girlboss update but Maractus, diancie, AND pheromosa on top of that? Not to mention future updates still have some bangers like Sawsbuck and nihilego, or minior and Gothitelle

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/tsareena-hair-flip-gif-22673778

[stuck bane]

Like, we can say other Pokémon like sableye and cresselia deserve to be in the game, and those are fair, but Lilligant REALLY deserves to be in the game the most

[feral bear]

Now that Ribbon has returned we absolutely must get Tsareena and Diancie

[stuck bane]

Oh has she made Tsareena ones too? I’ll need to look into those

[feral bear]

Yes she has worked on a few just not on here, tho a while ago she had posted a volcarona/tsareena concept that was lovely

Concept lol, it was more like a full sprite but just larger than 96x96

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah Tsareena would be really good too, but still no potential pokemon has been beaten down more than Lilligant:

Its counterpart got in first
It became an overworld Mon
It got deleted as an overworld Mon

Lilligant really should have been this update, but here’s hoping for the next one

[unique flame]

we need a another prety lady with a dress gardevoir have like 3 sprites per mon

now we have maloeta but i simply dont care abou legendaries that i can only get in pos game

[stuck bane]

Mons like cresselia, sableye, and aurorus were coasting off of counterparts alone because “it just didn’t feel right to have them without their counterpart” and Lilligant has that reason AND MORE

[unique flame]

whats sableye counterpart? mawile?

[feral bear]

Actually, sableye was a staff pick technically

Sableye is the miracle child of IF based on lore

[unique flame]

and aurorus was picked in the exp as tyrantum, and both are per vote (gen 6 fossils are just the best)

[stuck bane]

No I thought sableye was the pick of the one guy who found the breakthrough in the code , that’s why staff like kiwi were surprised when they learned sableye didn’t count as a public vote

[feral bear]

Yea, but more specifically it was kuray/reizod wanting to add sableye as a mod that sparked the whole revolution in the first place

[stuck bane]

Oooooh I see, so yeah technically staff pick I gotcha

[feral bear]

The entire saga is detailed in a post in the kuray server, a lovely read

[silent acorn]

Roserade is pretty but not exactly lady boss

Lilligant is quite pretty, if they added it I might just end up with around 3 on my team

[feral bear]

Yall already know how i feel about liligant LOL

[unique flame]

kuray server?

[feral bear]

Yes, the server for the kuray mod

[silent acorn]

If you fuse one of the lake trio with lilligant do you get ogerpon?

Hmmmm

[stuck bane]

So I just realized, we talked about amoonguss, but never added it: amoonguss definitely tries to gaslight, but the Pokédex talks about how it fails at it so much, so would that put it above musharna, who also has a kind of flimsy reason for being a gaslighter? Probably not?

The only other kind of flimsy ones are avalugg and diggersby, but there haven’t been a ton of clear cut Pokémon that definitely gatekeep to go above them

[cobalt nebula]

I’m happy cresselia got in. All the pairs and duos I can think of that were partially in are now fully in

[fallen loom]

too many characters! Ultra Majesty is 13 characters and you can ONLY HAVE 12!

[sharp nebula]

lilligant 😭

[stuck bane]

Bruh Lilligant and Gothitelle, I think Camerupt is in there too, and you call yourself a hoenn fan

[cobalt nebula]

??? Counterpart

What is lilligant gothitelle and camperupt of

[sharp nebula]

whimsicott, reuniclus and sharpedo

[stuck bane]

Camerupt is sharpedo’s counterpart
Lilligant is whimsicotts counterpart
Gothitelle is reuniclus’s counterpart

[cobalt nebula]

I never played Gen 5 so my bad for goth. Camperupt is his counterpart only with like, team aqua and magma I thought. Not that strong. Also tbh idc about lilligant at all so like, my bad, didn’t know

[stuck bane]

I’m pretty sure the megas are def counterparts even if they weren’t in original RSE

[silent acorn]

Sharpedo I feel like was the evil teams mon for aqua, but like on both games you could find Numel and Carvanha

[silent acorn]

But of course you wouldn't care about lilligant because you only wanted the regicollection

[stuck bane]

This is why I’m pushing for unova man, so many uncultured swines who never gave it a chance

[cobalt nebula]

I never played Gen V.

My first game was Fire Red. I grew up watching playthrough of the other gens till IV, then I quit pokemon and came back for gen 6. There is very few pokemon in gen 5 I care for because I have zero memories with them. I can appreciate some of their designs I guess

[inland jewel]

Gen 5 has like the best story though

i def recommend you play it if you get the chance

[stuck bane]

@royal drum updated reasons for Sawk and Throh for you:

Bert/Ernie: adds more fighting types, Sawk brings great attack, and Throh brings great hp and good attack, and Sawk is the only fighting type to get sturdy (heracross but instead of needing a focus sash you have a free slot for an item?), also brings judo/karate/belt fusions and fusions of wearing a martial arts Gi for different Pokémon, Throh is also the only pure fighting type with access to bind, and Throh is the only fighting type with access to mat block

use the ammunition well in the next vote

[royal drum]

Thanks

They may not be the best pokemon and not my favorite (falinks my absolute fav mon), I still think they're great

Also, I was calculating something about adding pokemon

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokememes-funny-cute-frikoid-gif-23774684

One day my beloved Baltoy. One day.

[stuck bane]

oh? that sounds interesting

[royal drum]

So, not counting for all versions of oricorio, moeletta piru and lycanrock as seperate pokemon, we currently have 464 official pokemon in the game

Up till gen 7, there are 809 pokemon, with malmètal bein last

So if we do the math: 809-464= 345 pokemon not being added to if as of 3/1/24.

[inland jewel]

why are we not counting all version of oricorio? you'd have to leave at least one for oricorio to count

[stuck bane]

no we are, 469 pokemon in IF, minus 3 oricorio forms, minus 1 pirouette, and minus 1 midnight lycanroc, thats minus 5, 469-5 is 464

[inland jewel]

wait we don't have a mon at 470?

[stuck bane]

nope, staff wanted to end bruxish as 469 for the memes, similar to stunfisk

immortalizing the 69 water types forever

[inland jewel]

could also be a reference to 420-69

[stuck bane]

yeah, but they could potentially add more pokemon in the future, although we all want more pokemona added there's never a guarantee and bruxish may in fact be the last one we ever get

[inland jewel]

they have already confirmed that space isn;t an issue anymore, which was the big reason why they didn't add anymore.

With space out of the equation, we only need time

[unique flame]

my wishlist

[stuck bane]

lilligant, minior, lurantis, gourgeist and sigilyph are good too, yeah I'm down for this list, also there's room for one more 1 slot so throw maractus in there

[fallen loom]

or Furfrou

[stuck bane]

mmmmmmmm.... monrys has convinced me on furfrou being good, furfrou is good

[unique flame]

if guys giving me one more slot

[stuck bane]

we said 1 slot, thats 3, if we're making a top 20 slots wishlist that is, 2 lurantis 2 silvally 1 minior 2 lilligant 9 kalos starters 2 gourgeist 1 sigilyph, thats 19

[unique flame]

oh

[stuck bane]

so like druddigon, drampa, emolga, etc.

[unique flame]

remove sigiliph to add them

the second stage count as one mon

[stuck bane]

know what yeah tecnically both lycanroc forms are the same slot in the vote, yeah thats fair, 7/20 good picks isn't the worst tho

[silent acorn]

What I would find dope is that they are separate so you fuse them and get a radically different fusion

this. is dope

[unique flame]

"Its like if a man and a woman had a child"

They stats are the same right theres no neede tô ocupie 2 slots

The lycanrocks have diferent stats

[silent acorn]

They learn different moves tho

[unique flame]

ok i checked they have diferent movepools and abilities but suprisiling they have the same stats, i think they could just fuse both in one slot

lycanrocks have a very diferent sillhoete so it make sense for than to have 2 slots

just alola and older

[white meadow]

Are they going to add more pokemon?

[prime dust]

maybe

it is up to frogman what gets in and when

[unique flame]

certanly but not now

theres no confirmation to that but i really think we are getting at least one more "expansion" this year

[white meadow]

Xurkitree epic vengeanc

[inland jewel]

Anything after gen 7 won't be added

not unless someone takes the time to translate 2 coding languages

[prime dust]

rough translation, sometime between the inevitable heat death of the universe and never

[unique flame]

if we are in a special UB expansion and you need to add 3 to the game what would be your choice
me:

[unique flame]

i believe one day a hero will emerge and save us all

[inland jewel]

and then they choose Cramorant or Greedunt

Like, Hey i know i put in all this work and all, but i think it'll be really funny to add a pokemon everyone is going to hate

of course its one way to guarentee a mon that no one will choose gets in

[unique flame]

i just know gdscript and a little python

i will learn however language i need to bring my soon impdimp in

[inland jewel]

you need to learn Ruby then, and Frogman's Code

But finally another fairy type to be added to the game

[unique flame]

never heard about ruby it is the rpg maker language?

[inland jewel]

specifically the code used to modify RPGMaker to turn it into a pokemon game

aka the code used to make Pokemon RSE

[unique flame]

and what is the other language

[inland jewel]

The code that Frogman made himself to turn Pokemon Essentials into PIF

[unique flame]

HE MADE A LANGUAGE?

[inland jewel]

yee, its how we are able to fuse mons together

otherwise there would be other fan games with the fusion mechanic like this game

the best other games have is prefused pokemon, but thats sort of boring

the reason why there had been 5 attempts at people making sequels but failing is because of this specific code that they couldn't crack

[unique flame]

I WILL MASTER THE WAY OF THE RUBY, AND THEM COMEBACK TO LEARN THE WAY OF THE FROG

[inland jewel]

both are open sourced so yee

[inland jewel]

#1123609511618420826 message Frogman's code,

Pokemon Essentials is available on their website/wiki

[silent acorn]

I would go with Pheromosa, Kartana and Guzzlord

[inland jewel]

UB Expansion:
Celesteela, Buzzwole, Blacephalon

[zinc prairie]

PLAYBOY KARTANA, BUZZSWOLE, THICKSTEELA

nobody saying Naga right its another dragon

[dull panther]

Ahh, I see, nice argument

[inland jewel]

Naga takes 2 slots, we don't need that

[stuck bane]

Nihilego, pheromosa, kartana, if including counterparts rules I choose nihilego, guzzlord, and Xurkitree (since there’s no other UBs without counterparts :()

[silent acorn]

Nihilego is a good one is just that overlaps with pheromosa a bit so I go with the latter

[silent acorn]

Poipole

[silent acorn]

Our picks couldnt possibly be more different

I ain't gonna deny Guzzlord just cuz it's a dragon it's a black hole first and foremost

[inland jewel]

you see, I thought about Guzzlord, he is af unny guy, but i changed to Buzzwole since I think we need more fighting types

[silent acorn]

I mean Pheromosa does that and we could use more dark types

By the way Blacephalon saturates ghost types too

[inland jewel]

true, but i have a special place in my heart for Celesteela and Blacephalon, so its either Buzzwole or Guzzlord

[white meadow]

Blacepholon
Poipole line

[inland jewel]

also, Buzzwole gives me a chunky fighting type instead of another stick that Pheromosa is

[stone grail]

chat i just want the unova starters in the game

[silent acorn]

Blacephalon be like
https://tenor.com/view/this-person-is-km-from-your-house-pomni-pomni-digital-circus-the-digital-circus-tadc-gif-3807550700390310633

It will happen it has the right palette for it to happen you know it will, I know it will, everyone knows. It will.

[silent acorn]

Can't help you nobody has control over that

[stone grail]

ik

[inland jewel]

the one time we were able to vote for starters, they took up the top spots by a large margin, that if they accepted those results, then 18 of the mons we have now wouldn't be in

so the "promised" us that they will be added in a later update. with no news as of yet when that would be

[stone grail]

ooh hopefully soon

[inland jewel]

well, knowing Frogman's update schedule, after this next batch of pokemon we won't be getting new mons for another 3-6 months so

[silent acorn]

I mean that's reasonable. I have to sabotage the heretics who ignore Gen 5

[unique flame]

this batch?

[inland jewel]

Meloetta, Cresselia, Bruxish

[glass patio]

[stuck bane]

It wasn’t a promise it was a maybe, see pins

They MIGHT be added, but they’re strong potential candidates as long as locations/names/fusion sprites are created

[sand mica]

Is Skuntank confirmed to be added soon?

[hushed mantle]

No

[tranquil dust]

Skuntank fusions could definitely Miltank-Tier of weirdness

[stuck bane]

Skuntank has some potential for like pompadour fusions and skunk fusions, but if we’re going off of the idea that we get new batches every 3-6 months, I’d wait a year or so before considering skuntank, there’s just too many options that stand out as better candidates above it

[lime gull]

Daily reminder that Cresselia is boring! 🤣

[stuck bane]

Well, at least we have one hate fueled person guaranteed to keep the channel alive

[lime gull]

Yaaay 🤣

I hate so you dont have to

[stuck bane]

Nobody has to but… you do you

[zinc prairie]

will Cresselia have its stat Gen 7 or post nerf?

[stuck bane]

Gen 7 mechanics, so the better defenses

[weak trellis]

people when the mons attack stat isn't at least 110 be like

[white meadow]

wait cresselia got nerfed in the future gens?

[lime gull]

How confusion works

[stuck bane]

Yeah, I think it was 600 to match darkrai but lost some defensive points by like 20 total or so because it was that much of a tank (why would those defenses even matter when terastalized damage boosts exist?)

[lime gull]

Because Body Press is a thing

Tho dinno if Cress learns it

[stuck bane]

Oh that’s why I’ve never heard of it, it’s Gen 8+, and no it seems cresselia doesn’t learn it anyways

[zinc prairie]

it was bc of VGC

[silent frost]

vgc tends to be what they balance around

[lime gull]

You never heard of stuff past gen7?

But yeah Body Press made tanky mons like Avalugg able to hit hard too

[silent frost]

not everyone has a switch to play gen 7+ or even wants to play it really

[zinc prairie]

not everyone here has even played a Pokemon mainline game

[silent frost]

that as well

[stuck bane]

Well, I played PLA, pretty sure it wasn’t there, and then played scarlet before setting it down forever, so maybe I just didn’t run into a Mon with body press

[silent acorn]

Or even wants to get one you mean

I am lucky. I got to enjoy Gen 4, 5, got to see Gen 6 get roasted and Gen 7 shine nicely... Before they did a 180 360 no scope. With UM

[silent frost]

what

[silent acorn]

Get a switch

[stuck bane]

That’s true as well, rumors are big that new system after the switch is already completed, so that’s a reason too

[silent acorn]

I am years into it's life cycle I seen pawning stores selling it maybe for 200 to 300 dollars

It's really behind the other two newer consoles

[zinc prairie]

before COVID I saw a Black 2 copy selling for 12$

blame the Paul brothers hyping up Pokemon cards

[stuck bane]

Oml, 12 dollars?!?!?! Whoever got that was a steal

[zinc prairie]

it was at a GameStop near

[silent acorn]

I got OG black for like 80 bucks in my country

[zinc prairie]

post covid I saw Emerald going for 85

[silent acorn]

No joking on that. Back then stuff was expensive and I was a kid

[silent acorn]

I still have my cartridge I think

[silent frost]

gamestop has sold fake carts before

[zinc prairie]

so true

[stuck bane]

Aren’t copies of BW and B2W2 going for like hundreds of dollars nowadays? I hope I have my cartridges too but I sold my 3ds for a switch, I just didn’t use it much anymore

[silent frost]

yeah

[silent acorn]

Who wants to buy my totally legit one of a kind emerald cartridge?

[zinc prairie]

I got a Mario 64 DS cart that never worked

[silent acorn]

I still got mine lol. I got my 3ds but only 2 to 3 games for it.

One tho is MH4U great game

[silent frost]

for like, full price too is the funny thing

[stuck bane]

Yeah, for that and other reasons GameStop is kind of bottom of the barrel, so anyways about leavanny as an addition

[zinc prairie]

Leavanny is a disappointing mon

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[stuck bane]

Disappointing? Better take that back right now before I whip out the list of reasons again

[silent acorn]

Well to be fair... I always saw swaddle as sorta interesting but like it's hard to get invested on the line.

[zinc prairie]

GRASS/BUG, MID STATS, PU LEVEL, FRIENDSHIP EVOLUTION

Burgh should've used Scolipede

[silent acorn]

I think stuff I got was like Samurott, Unfezant, Simisear (god no), Sawsbuck, Excadrill (god yes) and I can't remember what else

[stuck bane]

I mean as an addition for PIF, so the bug/grass really doesn’t matter, good attack and speed isn’t bad, and yeah friendship evolution might be sucky if implemented since iirc golbat to Crobat is like level 40

[silent acorn]

Oh Haxorus my boi!

[zinc prairie]

naw we definitely thought the monkeys were the second coming of starts

[white meadow]

bro was in the same gen as volcarona and didn't use it

[silent frost]

he is one of the first gym leaders what are you on

[silent acorn]

My man. I can attest to Simisear being anything but FUN

[brisk vessel]

Scolipede is even weaker tho

[stuck bane]

Tbf volcarona is more of alder’s thing

[brisk vessel]

And I doubt they would let a gym leader run Speed Boost

[white meadow]

it would be funny

[stuck bane]

Yeah scolipede line surprisingly weak, I learned recently that togepi is bulkier than venipede in every stat possible

[silent acorn]

That early on getting poisoned isn't pretty and only a flying and fire type would have been reliable.

[brisk vessel]

It would but I can't see it happening

[lime gull]

I never played a switch game but i still watch youtube lol

[white meadow]

just pull a lance with the underleveled evo 🔥

[stuck bane]

You couldn’t force me to watch LGPE or SwSh if you had a gun to my head

[silent frost]

he's gym leader like 3, for game balance that is absolutely terrible. level does not matter in that scenario, he still would have a very strong fully evolved pokemon when you probably only have half a good team

[zinc prairie]

if Whitney can be infamous so can Burgh

[silent acorn]

Or you know... Let him use accelgor

Mon be giving nighmares with its stats

I feel like Excadrill works for Alder but accelgor not so much

[lime gull]

If they do a Unova game next you will be in for a treat then xD

[silent acorn]

Considering what they did to Pearl and Diamond... Thats a threat more than a treat

BW have a magic that they really can't replicate

[stuck bane]

Please god no they already masaccred bdsp (another game I refuse to watch or play) just skip unova and shit on kalos or something

[silent frost]

im gonna be honest dp were already boring, but bdsp in no way helped it in that respect

[silent frost]

give kalos something for the love of god

[zinc prairie]

2 FIRE TYPES

[silent acorn]

For its time it had its fun specially if it was your first

[white meadow]

they better reintroduce megas for gen 6 remakes

[stuck bane]

Current day gamefreak be like “removed N, removed Cheren and Bianca, replaced team plasma with team rocket, replaced all unova mons with kanto mons, took away animated sprites”

[silent frost]

but if it isn't your first its just, kinda boring tbh

[stuck bane]

Although I guess the indigo disk was kind of ok for unova representation

[silent acorn]

Yep that's why I said if it was your first. I mean... I dont love johto

[stuck bane]

I loved platinum idk what you’re on about

[silent acorn]

Here is my favorite part of sinnoh, entering the pillar top. My god... That stuff was the best

[white meadow]

anyway how would they even call the gen 5 remakes? bw3? gray? or just (insert adjective here) black and (insert adjective here) white?

[silent acorn]

Gradient Black and Contrasting White XD

[zinc prairie]

Blueberry Academy...

[silent frost]

i played both platinum and bdsp and it was just uninteresting to play through both of them

[stuck bane]

They can’t, just port BW and B2W2 to the online service or whatever and call it there, you can’t beat perfection

[silent acorn]

Platinum had nice Spritework quite nice to look at

[silent frost]

and people are allowed to have opinions so

[silent acorn]

Also you often found nice mons often except for the stupid trades

[stuck bane]

People are also allowed to have wrong opinions

[white meadow]

if they make something like ds games on switch it better not be locked behind a paywall like the n64 ones

[silent acorn]

I do find the early section of platinum tedious tho

[stuck bane]

HG was my first, then I played platinum and let me tell you it did not dissapoint

[brisk vessel]

I feel like Bright White and Pitch Black could work

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/next-level-shit-ok-smiles-gif-14851723

[brisk vessel]

Anyways I hope we get a Legends Kyurem

[silent acorn]

No but seriously I love platinum, having Giratina as your main legend mon hits different

Also the final fight with Cyrus in platinum is just 😘👌

Like screw your lusamines, roses, robots and crap, that fight with the guy who wants to remake the universe is just a nice closing act

Perfectly setup, perfect atmosphere just pure narrative pacing

[silent frost]

rose sucks and everyone knows he sucks as a villain thats not a fair comparison

[silent acorn]

Cyrus was obviously the bad guy he was always obvious as that. Ghetsis did the same and it worked. Nowadays they have to rely on the surprise villain to shock people.

Like Oh my god the mother of Lillie is evil, the chairman is evil, the weird guy that looks like Cynthia is evil, oh noes the robots are evil

[silent frost]

yeah i think i've had enough of this conversation now

[silent acorn]

Anyways let's speak unovan mons

[white meadow]

they should make a villain that is actually mad

like, screw pokemon let's throw hands kind of bad

[silent acorn]

Cyrus was a sociopath, Ghetsis a... Psychopath maybe? I don't know Lusamines is an obsessive freak like Kieran and the SV professors are

The whole time in platinum is pretty clear something is wrong with Cyrus

[lime gull]

I think Lusamine was pretty darn mad and fucked up

[white meadow]

ghethsis is 100% a psycho considering how he treats his son

[silent acorn]

More like the obsession fucked her up you mean

[lime gull]

Shes a terrible mother to her children

[white meadow]

like even lusamine and freaking giovanni look like better parents

[silent acorn]

Ghetsis is straight up evil, he manipulates N and the whole order specially in the second game to get power

[stuck bane]

Ok

Leavanny: mantis fusions (that are actually bug type unlike lurantis), adds more bug and grass types, and is a mon used on ash’s team, good attack and speed, only grass type to get swarm, and the only bug type to get chlorophyll (fuse with Durant for super speedy chlorophyll boosted scizor?), the only grass type that can learn endure naturally, and the only bug type that can learn grass whistle, and the only grass type to learn sticky web, and also the only grass type to learn string shot

[lime gull]

How does anyone take 1 look at Ghetsis and not see some Darth Vader tyrant going on hahaha

Dude even has the most blatantly evil supervillain eye patch

[silent acorn]

Yeah he does lol

[stuck bane]

one cool detail about ghetsis too, his hydreigon knows frustration and hits it at max power, so it's assumed that he abused his hydreigon

[white meadow]

his hydreigon even has full power frustration with life orb

[silent acorn]

Hey do you mind if I put your entry in my ruins of the Fallen? Is something i save for mons that aren't added for reasons to reference then being added. I can't think of anything good for Leavanny

[stuck bane]

wait his hydreigon has life orb? I don't remember that

[silent acorn]

Fun fact hydreigon evolves by hate, so Hydreigon hates ghetsis.

[lime gull]

Lol so he keeps hurting it more

[stuck bane]

do you just want me to give you the whole list? I'm not done with potential 4-slots like archeops and stuff but I can give you everything else

[stuck bane]

no it doesn't, its just the highest evolution level in the entire game, no hate required

[lime gull]

If the Pokemon world had Star Wars movies the people would never follow Ghetsis hahaha

[full star]

Yeah, there's no lack of friendship needed, just Level 64

[stuck bane]

if we wanna talk weird, let's talk about cyrus's crobat despite him clearly being so detatched from everything

[lime gull]

I mean...by the time you train it to level 64 you hate it a lot for being so slow in evolving

[full star]

Ghetsis' Hydreigon does do the maximum amount of damage with Frustration, so it does have 0 friendship

[silent acorn]

I mean i put the name of the person the entry is by. I think it's fair

[lime gull]

His Crobat is a stalker with an obsession for him

[stuck bane]

ill just DM you, but it'll be a bit

[full star]

He might have just asked someone else to raise it, then took it when it was fully evolved

[silent acorn]

I have this entry zawarudo for Guzzlord he loves that one.

[lime gull]

Took it out of Daycare and gave it a rare candy

[silent acorn]

Don't worry, take your time.

[lime gull]

Guzzlord is my waifu

[full star]

Daycare doesn't raise Friendship I don't think

He might've pawned it off to Mars or Saturn and then took it back once they evolved the Golbat to Crobat

[lime gull]

This is me marrying my waifu Guzzlord

We are an ace couple so yall cant ban me! Ha

[silent acorn]

Oh wow dope what is this?

[full star]

Of course, Crobat doesn't have the move Return, so we don't know how much friendship it has without datamining

[lime gull]

Pokemon Tectonic. I was just being silly in it

[white meadow]

almost forgot those were actual names and i imagined him somehow exiling crobat in another planet

[full star]

Nah, they're both Team Galactic Admins

[white meadow]

ye ik

[silent acorn]

oh my god is this a Regional Lilligant?!

[full star]

Also [Spoilers for USUM Rainbow Rocket postgame] ||He has both Dialga and Palkia, but not Giratina||

[white meadow]

doesn't it depend on the version?

like he doesn't have both

[lime gull]

Yeah they have a ton of regional forms

[full star]

||If both games are canon, then he has both||

[lime gull]

And every single mon is buffed and revamped. Even the weak bugs. And every line hasa signature move or ability

[white meadow]

ig

[full star]

||Not as crazy as Giovanni casually Mega-Evolving a Mewtwo he caught||

[silent acorn]

For that alone I am getting it

[full star]

||Apparently Mewtwonite Y is the canon form he chooses if Masters is canon in any way||

[brisk vessel]

Idk why this is being spoilered cuz isn't this already like 6-8 years old now

[silent acorn]

Sometimes someone has to be a sucker to have a 3ds and not have play it, like me.

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053327237836980297/1062253634760491029/IMG_2795.gif

[glass patio]

dead chat xd

[proud lion]

Elemental Monkeys for April 1st

[eager quarry]

SIMISWEEP

[glass patio]

y know how less annoyed i would be if bruxish was for april first

[stuck bane]

if they make it I want their name to be Simisweep ||its going to be simitrio||

[stuck bane]

yes but for making bruxish 469 it was necessary

[glass patio]

fair

[stuck bane]

which begs the question, bruxish easily could've been pushed off to april 1st if they really wanted to, its just 4 months and after all that time people would expect them to take a break. it makes it seem like they felt like they had to add brux for christmas since there wouldn't be room for 469 by april 1st... just a thought

[glass patio]

Huh

[strange jetty]

Is meloetta in the game?

[stuck bane]

not yet, but is confirmed to be added at some point along with cresselia and bruxish

[pliant haven]

in a sense i feel like forced trainer battles are better than optional ones. it makes you do the fights even when you dont want to, allowing you to get a normal amount of xp and you dont have to go back and fight every trainer you missed for xp because you're underleveled

[stuck bane]

See, that would be valid if you couldn’t find a trainer your Mon could OHKO and then just keep rematching them to grind levels super quickly, it’s genuinely the Strat for PIF nuzlockes and stuff with level caps rules: grind up to 25 directly after beating Brock, and sweep the entirety of mt moon

Also this is new Pokémon discussion

[zinc prairie]

it's fun to play hide and seek

[pliant haven]

oh sorry i thought this was #other-pokemon-games

[alpine rune]

tf is this from?

[white meadow]

Imagine Frog adds Megas one day😂

[unique flame]

it would confusing since a lot of fusions use mega references

[white meadow]

Still easyer to sort than people wanting mimikyus an aegislashes forms

[silent acorn]

Pokemon tectonic apparently it's a lilligant

[pseudo wigeon]

I think the UBs would be a cool addition

[silent acorn]

You want pomni then

[pseudo wigeon]

But the thing is their designs are already quite complex, could make fusions for them be quite over designed

Idk of I am wording that correctly but the UBs as Fusion material could create some very VERY busy designs

[silent acorn]

I think ones like Nihilego, Pheromosa, Kartana and Guzzlord are simple enough

[grim sail]

can u use pokemon infinite fusion on mobile

[silent acorn]

Maybe by using joiplay #gameplay-help

[grim sail]

thanks

[grim sail]

where do i download it again

[silent acorn]

I couldn't tell you, you can ask for advice in this thread
#gameplay-help

[grim sail]

nvm ill just do it on my pc

[silent acorn]

Busiest UB is probably Blacephalon, most complicated for head fusions is probably Stakataka

[grim sail]

what does zoroark snorlax look like
(it could be bad or smth, i just wanna know)

[clever atlas]

#fusions

[unique flame]

they are both in the game

[grim sail]

like the fusion of snorlax and zoroark

[silent acorn]

@digital ferry this is for later but Pix I just realized you can get more support for your mons if you provide ways to use the Staka Head and Kartana Body

[grim sail]

okay thnaks

[near galleon]

Am i the only person that really wants Huntail?

[sharp nebula]

im gonna say yeah

[feral bear]

Noooo i want clamperl line so bad

[feral bear]

At first i thought the Bruxish one said "Man Water"

[silent acorn]

I want gorebyss. Alas Luvdisc doesn't evolve into it.

[near galleon]

Speaking of Luvdisc, wouldn't it be fitting that Luvdisc would be revealed on Valentine's Day, just a random thought that i had

[stuck bane]

Clamperl line is so forgettable that it wasn’t even in the first vote

[stuck bane]

Luvdisc is a contender for Valentine’s Day, but there’s other mons that bring more to the table as potential valentines reveals like Alomomola and Swoobat

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/toad-i-hate-it-gif-19702794

[near galleon]

No problem

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lana-alomona-gif-7347037

Seriously it's never EVER gonna be more than it is that stupid heart fish

All is fun and games until Froggo decides it's the last one for how annoying people are

[stuck bane]

Guys you gotta remember, bruxish wasn’t only added because it was hated, it was hated AND underrated, luvdisc literally only brings good speed and water type with heart stamp, that’s it, Alomomola beats that out by miles

[silent acorn]

Yeah Luvdisc it's hated but under no circumstances underrated

As a matter of fact the only good thing that's brought up about it's carrying heartscales and people act like that's the golden thing disregarding everything else , now that's what you call OVERRATED

[brisk vessel]

Alomomola is also actually good gameplay wise, unlike luvdisc

[silent acorn]

You are literally rating the fish on only that one thing.

Alomomola has the look, is good for gameplay, and it can also just carry the damn scales like it's nothing.

[stuck bane]

Have the people rooting for luvdisc even played the game? Don’t they know they can already get heart scales from rock smash? Are they stupid?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-they-are-michael-groth-mandjtv-it-is-true-gif-20544477

[stuck bane]

It also makes sense to carry heart scales because of hand fins

[brisk vessel]

Alomomola is:
Really physically bulky
Gets scald
Gets knock off (for some reason)
Has insane Wish Passing thanks to its enormous HP
Gets Regenrator

Luvdisc is:
Level 100 in randbats

[silent acorn]

Seriously you get scales from rocksmash literally before you even get the rod what's the point of the fish for that if you can get them easier

Oh an luvdisc wouldn't even be on the same pool as magikarps for old rod

Meaning its worse since you would end up getting it LATER

[stuck bane]

I mean, scald and knock off aren’t really unique reasons for Alomomola, but here’s the unique reasons

Alomomola: one of the highest hp stats in the game with access to regenerator, and the only water type with access to healer, and is the only water type that can learn healing wish

[brisk vessel]

I can see some potential for sort of heart themed and love related fusions spritewise, but there are other mons who offer similar motifs and are generally just better anyway

[silent acorn]

Atleast Alomomola can stay relevant for most of the game.

And alomomola also can do those easy easy. If anything it has more you can work with.

Yeah and competitively it would also be very good.
It would be a water/ground water/grass tank, that's busted because it's Tank stats

[brisk vessel]

Im mainly just listing what makes Alomomola actually good for gameplay and the usual competitive stuff

[stuck bane]

Like the only one that kind of works for fusion potential is luvdisc wishiwashi since they’re both tiny, but even then such a stretch and that’s only one potential fusion

[brisk vessel]

Thats more a case of Wishiwashi having potential

[stuck bane]

True

[brisk vessel]

The problem with wishiwashi is that

Its hard to sprite
Frogman doesn't know how to make Schooling work

[silent acorn]

And you could just grab cleafable or blissey to make hearts with wishiwashy

[brisk vessel]

Since the form change is triggered via Ability, he cant just reuse the Ultra Necrozma code for it

[silent acorn]

I thinks it's simpler than it looks, we can just omit the form change and let it suffer a huge debuff like Archeops

[stuck bane]

It could be similar though, but yeah, would still be a ton of work to code

[brisk vessel]

That is a possible workaround

[silent acorn]

Maybe but it could be like a reverse Slow Start or what Archeops would end up getting.

[brisk vessel]

Doesn't change the fact that spriting a school of anything is hard

[brisk vessel]

Defeatist

[silent acorn]

That's true spriting that would be a nighmare I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy

[stuck bane]

Yeah, I don’t think wishiwashi will be joining anytime soon just because spriters would despise it

[brisk vessel]

Anyways we should add Archeops hes a cool colorful Dino bird with insane stats 😁

[silent acorn]

Then again what happens if you swap schooling with another ability?

[stuck bane]

Then again, Necrozma got in and spriters hate him

[silent acorn]

If you vote a 3 on alomomola Ill vote a 3 on archeops. Deal? ||May the one who doesn't follow through lose their mon||

[brisk vessel]

He got in cuz hes cool legendary and people wanted to spite blaq

I ended up making both a normal and ultra necrozma fusion anyway though

(Both are meloetta)

[silent acorn]

I think outside battle form change is not a bad idea. Gives us 4 mons in one with Darmanitan.

[stuck bane]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739

[silent acorn]

Love gen 3 but It also has stinkers

Atleast basculin is more usable

[stuck bane]

Oh yes I loved both those meloetta by the way, but still most spriters are averse to making it/it has a high skill ceiling

[silent acorn]

Humanoid pokemon have that, you make them as inspired as you could see.

[brisk vessel]

Yea Necrozma is generally tough

Though i feel like the Ultra one is easier since there's less actual Prisms you need to work with and you can go more with the glowy light parts instead

[stuck bane]

Wait why would darmanitan be 4? There’s only 3

[silent acorn]

Oh right the little one doesn't turn right?

[stuck bane]

Nope, just darmanitan not darumaka

[silent acorn]

Necro is in though. Wouldn't that make it confusing?
I see

[brisk vessel]

Read the second image

[silent acorn]

Oh right sorry I didn't notice

[silent acorn]

I was about to say that you could make Luvdisc by mixing Cleafairy/Alomomola

In fact let me try

[stuck bane]

||the real question is if I should make droppings fusions a reason for darumaka, I mean the skuntank people are using fart fusions as a reason though||

[brisk vessel]

If you do that im killing all of you

[silent acorn]

Got it here it is luvdisc

[white meadow]

Kill me first

[stuck bane]

Yeah I don’t want darmanitan to be lumped in with the skuntank fans

[white meadow]

Kinda sad that they made Skuntank so unlovable
Its colors and fluffyness is so nice

[silent acorn]

Yeah the colors and fluff is good I love it. I do hate they messed up the face

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/skunk-gif-14893514

[silent acorn]

Skunks have pretty cute faces why did they have to do buttchins

[white meadow]

I think they wanted to make the mon more cat like idk why

[silent acorn]

Ah yes typical artist logic butt cheeks equal cat

[brisk vessel]

Gamefreak philosophy
"If cute, add a lil ugly"

Its just the ugly they added was too obvious

[white meadow]

True
And if its cool, add silly

[silent acorn]

I mean atleast this works better than just adding ugly. Like they had cool crabrawler why they go 'Oh yes let's make it ugly as dirt'

And dont you say 'Hey crabs look Like that' no they don't! Kingler, Crawdaunt and Clawitzer all look neutral for crabs. They had no excuse.

[white meadow]

I mean Crabrawler has a reason to become ugly

Beeing based on a yeti crab and a abominable Snowman

[silent acorn]

less was more that time

[white meadow]

Yeah but they took every unique designe aspect and every bit of lore

[silent acorn]

How is the weirdo hat hair lore lol

[white meadow]

Okay maybe the yellow hair not cuz idk about that
But the claw pattern, chest and face looks

[silent acorn]

See how one points that one part of it and it doesn't make sense, the rest is fine even the goofy face but like that part of the head makes like zero sense and it's so disconnected it makes it worse

[white meadow]

But the yellow could be remains of Crabrawlers yellow parts

[silent acorn]

Like it get it but why the mushroom hair cut?

Like the little two hair were enough to make it clear lol, it feels like they were trying to make some obscure Japanese joke

[white meadow]

Maybe it is based a bit of something japanese

[white meadow]

or just maybe, they simply made a dumb design

[weak trellis]

looks more like somethin from M&L

but i could see them going for a caveman/yeti look on the canon one

[fallen loom]

Why does it even have a bra? The unused version looks like it could be Fighting/Ghost

actually the used one looks like a weird Snorunt evo

the claws look non-functional in that design too, since it looks more like a bin lid

looks better for scooping snow than grabbing meat

[clever atlas]

I mean it could use that to stun prey with massive snowballs

[fallen loom]

Also I prefer this pose over the weird "default" one

[viscid mica]

i kinda forgot was heatran in the vote?

[clever atlas]

Makes it less top heavy

[white meadow]

yes

the community one at least

[viscid mica]

damn, i couldve had bug steel scizor heatran with flashfire 😔

[fallen loom]

also makes it look way less doofy with its 4 elbows not being on display (so distracting)

[stuck bane]

Heatran is a big one for steel type with flash fire, there are other similar options like Emolga being a flying type with motor drive, but heatran is probably the more popular of the two since steel has so many resistances

[fallen loom]

did you know that Emolga is the only Pikaclone not in SV?

[inland jewel]

the bra is supposed to be the ape chest of the snowman/yeti

like most major apes that have pronounced chests

[fallen loom]

it just looks weird without an actual ape body

[inland jewel]

with how no one knows what the yeti/abominable snowman looks like irl, i think its a fun take on what he could be, making him not an ape

wish he either had more defenses or more speed, since the Abominable snowman is known to run away from those who see it

[white meadow]

It actually has the "bra" to look more Human/Ape cuz one inspiration is a Humanoid snow monster
And the Claws are use for Punching and confusing
Where it lives it makes giant foot prints in the snow with its claws to confuse other mons that they think its the territory of a much larger mon

[fallen loom]

Abomasnow is still the better one

[inland jewel]

Nah, abombasnow looks bad

[weak trellis]

disagree

all I can think of though is a regional crabrawler tho:

fighting/rock but based around technician with moves like accelerock/mach punch and bullet seed/rock blast, leaning more into the coconut side of the crab

nvm on accelerock, forgot its supposed to be a "tackle" move not a "shoot projectile fast" move like the english name suggests

[white meadow]

it's a shame that Dewpider couldn't get it
I liked their aesthetic

[glass patio]

dewpider and araquanid are nice

spiders with bubble helmets

[white meadow]

But if we get gen 7 Water Bug we should get Golisopod

[glass patio]

ohhh right that’s also water bug

dang many bug types r underrated

[white meadow]

Absolutly

[glass patio]

as a bug myself can confirm

[inland jewel]

Many of the good bug types are just not in

[sullen elbow]

yes like spidops 😔 /j

[glass patio]

why is snom not in 😔 /j

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/you-did-not-say-that-unbelievable-incredible-how-dare-you-absurd-gif-20624986

[inland jewel]

both of them look bad to me, i just like Crabominable more

[glass patio]

[silent acorn]

I can only think of the two UBs, Vikabolt, Golisopod, crustle, Excavalier, Vespiquen. And that's really about all I can come up with

[unique flame]

which ub is bug type?

[silent acorn]

Buzzwole and Pheromosa

I just learned the awful thing that Pheromosa is based on a molted cockroach

[white meadow]

so like a white bug after it just shed it's old skin?

[mystic rivet]

So the shiny one is quite literally pheramosa with pants, ie the legs of her old exo still on?

[silent acorn]

pretty unsettling

[white meadow]

Pov if Pokemon were SCPs

[glass patio]

wth

[white meadow]

(i love it)

[inland jewel]

Yee, any bug from Gens 5 or 7 that isn't in is goated

[silent acorn]

Motherfudger ignoring her majesty Vespiquen

[craggy belfry]

vespiquen forever

[inland jewel]

Vespiquen i like, its just the only good bug type in gen 4

[stuck bane]

Vespiquen is nice, but I’d still probably take all the gen 5 bugs before vespiquen

Like, it’s competing with leavanny, Crustle, accelgor, and escavalier, it’s good but not THAT good

[silent acorn]

Now you have state true facts

Something I love to think. Is that Vespiquen with something with high enough spatck can execute special attack rock with power gem

[craggy belfry]

leavanny is one of my favorite mons just generally

[stuck bane]

Like, the attack/defend/heal order moves would be welcome additions, and combee is cute with a few fusion potential ideas, but the others bring more

[silent acorn]

But my royal golem fusion...

Nah just kidding. We still need more rock variety for my wish to work right

[full star]

I'd see a Vespiquen/Beedrill fusion alting as Queen Sectonia from Kirby Triple Deluxe, and that's always a plus

[stuck bane]

So.., would vespiquen’s best rock type fusion be minior? Remains Rock flying and I think it has good special attack, either that or archeops

Because if you want STAB power gems, that’s probably the play

[silent acorn]

Well yes in a way. Because she needs a bit of speed. But doesn't that make her stay Bug/Flying?

[full star]

Minior is pure Rock iirc

[stuck bane]

Nope, rock flying, gigalith is the only (fully evolved) pure rock type with access to power gem

[full star]

Oop, my bad

[stuck bane]

So although gigalith’s stats aren’t built to it, gigalith definitely can do bug/rock or rock/flying

[silent acorn]

So... What if you fuse vespiquen with Minior? Do we get the worst typying?

Hm. Hmmmm... Sounds better

[stuck bane]

Well it depends on the fusion, gimmie a min to look stuff up but I think they’re both flying type bodies, so probably minior as the head

[silent acorn]

Kinda wish Gigalith was more spatk based tho

[inland jewel]

Regional varient that will make him rock psychic with floating gems

[full star]

Yes, make the meteor Pokemon more space-themed :D

[stuck bane]

Nihilego is the rock type head with the highest special attack, and ignoring stuff like rock type arceus, the next highest rock type head with highest special attack is omastar at 115

So you’d want nihilego/vespiquen as a rock/flying type and then order moves plus power gem?

[inland jewel]

now thats a fusion that would be super cool

[stuck bane]

Actually nihilego is a rediculous head, 100+ in all relevant stats

[inland jewel]

Space themed- Vespi will def be the mothership plus her combee armada

[stuck bane]

||also nihilego being a good head makes for super easy head fusions that make sense with lore, just attach it over the relevant Pokémon’s head like the lusamine fight ||

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah... So it's probably in my best interest that it gets in isnt it

[silent acorn]

On aromatisse it looked sick

[inland jewel]

Aromatisse has great potential if added

[feral bear]

Imagine not getting aromatisse and slurpuff for valentines

[inland jewel]

thats cause we're getting luvdisc for valentines

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-gun-gif-18638337

[stuck bane]

Oh damn I suppose they’re candidates too, especially since the cresselia contest suspiciously ends right before then,

So our main contenders are Alomomola, Swoobat, luvdisc, aromatisse, or Slurpuff?

[inland jewel]

Magearna too i think, since Soul Heart

[silent acorn]

If we are going that far might as well count Manaphy

[inland jewel]

quick all the mons that can learn heart swap

[silent acorn]

I swear if the frog adds Illumise and Volbeat just because is that day... I'll hex him with no love forever

[stuck bane]

Magearna is a bit of a stretch since it has an artificial soul, but I’ll allow it as a possibility

[stuck bane]

It’s literally only Manaphy and magearna

[inland jewel]

man, for the longest time i thought Swoobat could learn it

[silent acorn]

Swoobat because... Heart stamp???

[stuck bane]

Nope, Swoobat learns heart stamp, not heart swap, and also it’s nose is literally a heart

[silent acorn]

That's a bit of a stretch

[inland jewel]

literally luvdisc and swoobat are the only ones not in that can learn it

the other one is Jynx

[silent acorn]

Here is a funny game if Frog adds luvdisc he doesn't love us, if he adds alomomola he loves us

Imagine he leaves it to luck

[white meadow]

diancie has a heart shaped diamond in her mega form!

[stuck bane]

So our main Valentine’s Day contenders are:
Alomomola (heart shape)
Swoobat (heart stamp/shape/swoon)
luvdisc (heart shape)
aromatisse (fragrances?)
slurpuff (v-day chocolates/sweets)
Manaphy (heart swap)
Magearna (soul heart/heart swap)
Volbeat/illumise (fireflies)
Diancie (heart shape on mega)

[inland jewel]

i mean, Frogman hates megas, so adding a mon whose mega applies doesn't really give it much

[silent acorn]

What the heck

[stuck bane]

Yeah, a bit of a stretch, but other fusions include elements of megas, and diancie is one I’d be happy with so I’d let it slide

[silent acorn]

Really French?! Cupidon?!

[stuck bane]

It is deadass the courting Pokémon your argument is invalid

[silent acorn]

Well shoot

[inland jewel]

yes more Swoobat love

[stuck bane]

On top of like woo and swoon

Swoobat: team rocket Mon, good speed, only psychic type besides cosmog to get unaware, only flying type to get unaware, also only psychic and flying type to get simple, only flying type to learn heart stamp, and only psychic type head that can also learn heart stamp, also the only psychic type head to learn assurance, and the only flying type to learn odor sleuth

I’d say Swoobat makes most sense for valentines, but really any of them can work

[arctic glacier]

Lunatone for Lunar New year
Phione for Valentines Day

[stuck bane]

We just got lunar new year as cresselia, that’s what makes it related to new years in the first place

[silent acorn]

Now hang on a flipping second why Phione

[glass patio]

seek help

even team bruxish hates it

or atleast matpal

[glossy osprey]

domain expansion: infinite phione

[arctic glacier]

Manaphy and Phione are based on a genus of Sea Slugs called “Sea Angels”

[silent acorn]

Jesus they didn't mince their words

[silent acorn]

While that may be Phione is sucky tier bottom of the barrel end of the cosmos garbo

[stone cliff]

Phione pisses me the fuck off

"look a mythical you can breed. Oh, you wanted it to give you the same pokemon? Nah, here's like, a baby version of it. How does it evolve? It uh, doesn't."

[white meadow]

they should just make it evolve by going to the mariana trench irl

[silent acorn]

"Evolve your Phione with the brand new Nintendo ds feature! The 60 feet tall antenna, you just need to go all the way to the Mariana Trench while having Phione as your only pokemon while fighting Cynthia while it's paralyzed and has 1HP, if you fulfill all requirements your Phione will evolve into Manaphy! Giving you the purple heart pokemon!"

Disclaimer: Pokemon company does not take responsibility for any foolish divers that go down the Mariana Trench

[finite thistle]

The new Calm Mind plus Refresh they gave both Manaphy and Phione does make me really wanna do another terrible Pokemon run of Scarlet and Violet

Or preferably the next gen if they're allowed and if someone doesn't alter the movesets because I am pretty tired of how bad SV runs after 2 playthroughs. (hate having to make so many caviots for future plans)

[flat solar]

i still want lurantis

[white meadow]

same

[weak trellis]

I forgot Phione got take heart too

[finite thistle]

Yeah, it's such a hilariously overturned move

[weak trellis]

modern signature moves in a shellnut

[random dragon]

Just imagine tailglow bibarel

[finite thistle]

For the most part yeah, but there are still a few signature moves with reasonable effects like Strange Steam, Toxic Thread or downright awful ones like Twin Beam, Esper Wing or Syrup Bomb

[glass patio]

uhhhh

dead chat xd

#1192587072834392166 look what i did to cresselia

[opaque sigil]

when you download the game does it come with all the current sprite packs up to date or do i also need to download the 1-95 sprite pack and add it to the game after a fresh download?

[silent acorn]

Hello did you call

[glass patio]

#gameplay-help

[silent acorn]

Depends on the version, dynamic downloads them, preloaded means you have to add them manually

[opaque sigil]

my bad i clicked the wrong chat

[glass patio]

it’s ok 👍

[glass patio]

dead chat xd

[gray vine]

boooo

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-grandpa-zombie-gif-18996985

There now it's alive again

[glass patio]

it seems dead

[silent acorn]

Give me a sec, ehem

ARCHEOPS SUCKS ASS

[glass patio]

Smh my head

[glass patio]

I dont hate it, but not really exciting
Wouldnt mind if it got added tho

[outer matrix]

If it's just for the ability, then yeah I guess so

[glass patio]

what

why
where does the source for that come from

rayquaza sucks now :(

[gray vine]

the pokedex?

what do you mean?

[glass patio]

uhhhhh

[gray vine]

ok?

[glass patio]

i found that on bulbapedia idk

[gray vine]

whats the issue?

your unware that pokemon eat each other? never read the pokedex before? they always did, they are animals, heck it even says humans eat pokemon

Appletun is litterly consumed by kids while its walkjing around

[glass patio]

nah i was saying it as a joke

but that’s interesting tho

[gray vine]

i dont get the joke tbh

like haha he eats Minior? lul

[glass patio]

Forget it

[gray vine]

forget what?

[glass patio]

why did i do this

[silent acorn]

See how I revived the chat by just mentioning Archeops? It has undying fans I can't kill them with logic and facts

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-gif-25755174

[glass patio]

minior dead

[glass patio]

nobody really defended it
didn’t work

[silent acorn]

They don't feel the need they are already plotting deep insside

[glass patio]

hmmm let me think of a super epic hot take i have

uhhhhhhhhh

idk

[silent acorn]

Pyroar brings nothing

[glass patio]

that’s true
got anything else?

[silent acorn]

Araquanid is pretty boring

[glass patio]

Ok that’s it

Why is it boring
It’s a spider with a bubble helmet
I feel like that’s funny

[silent acorn]

I'll get into it in a moment let me grab some grub

[glass patio]

Not like something I’d be desperate for plus golisopod better but still a nice pokemon

Minior is a spherical Pokémon with two forms: one form with a rocky outer coating and the other with its core exposed. When it sheds its rocky coating, its exposed core form is both the lightest Rock-type and Flying-type Pokémon. Both of its forms tie with Carbink and Dwebble as the shortest Rock-type.

In its Meteor Form, Minior resembles a modestly sized rock. Its rocky exterior is formed by four large plates separated by two large cracks. The cracks encircle its body both horizontally and vertically. Five white spikes extend just above the rocky surface, giving it a star shape. Two large, black spots on its front resemble eyes, and there is a third spot in the center of its back. Rings of dark brown triangles surround the holes its spikes protrude from and the spot on its back, pointing outward. One of the triangles surrounding the spot on its back is replaced with a small, brown dot. The eyespots have a half-ring of triangles resembling eyelashes. One eye has a small, brown dot in the corner. Even while apparently at rest, Minior tends to spin slowly in place.

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When its core is exposed, Minior loses its rocky shell. The core is a bright, pastel color. Depending on the color of debris and food it absorbed and ate while in the stratosphere, Minior's core can be Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, or Violet. A handful of darker triangles are also visible on its body in random places. Minior's eyes and mouth are formed from energy that floats in front of its body like a two-dimensional mask. The eyes are two large swirls and the mouth is a smaller line. Its face tends to stay level regardless of how Minior spins the rest of its body. The colors of Minior's forms are determined by the composition of the dust it consumes.

Minior forms in the stratosphere from an aggregation of mutated nanoparticles, where it absorbs particulate matter from which it builds its core and shell. When touched in Meteor Form, Minior will react when touched or called to, it is unknown if these responses indicate its consciousness. Eventually, this process makes it too heavy and it falls towards the surface of the planet. When its shell breaks from landing, Minior becomes lighter and capable of attacking quickly. However, it cannot survive for long with its core exposed, and will eventually die if not placed inside a Poké Ball quickly enough. Despite this, many fallen Minior will attempt to return to space, sadly being unable to return to space. Despite their their wish to return home, all they can do is fade away without their shells. The cute, pastel coloring of Minior's core often inspires designers to use it as a motif for clothing and accessories.[1] While in the ozone layer, it serves as food to stronger Pokémon such as Rayquaza. Minior's diet consists of eating dust. Places where Minior falls are few, Alola being one of them.

Minior is the only known Pokémon that can have Shields Down as an Ability.

and thats why minior should be added

[outer matrix]

All of this makes minior cooler imo

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hey, this would annoy me, but i mean someone could make a rayquaza eating minior sprite ||||

indigo disc dlc no way

[empty pendant]

love the fact that rayquaza eats minior like candy

[stuck bane]

Rayquaza be like: “mmmm yummy rocks”

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and minior… eats dust

oh it just eats the dust particles from when it dies

[gray vine]

why you just copying its dex entires lul

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wait what kind of dust do miniors eat
do miniors eat other miniors

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people who read those would know that

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nah just the biology section from minior article in bulbapedia

[outer matrix]

What good fusions can be made with minior stat and strat wise?

[glass patio]

Oh it appears in ultra sun dex entry

[gray vine]

as you said Mininor makes his shell out of the dust he eats which only breaks one they land on earth, but they only eat the dust in space, therefore no...besides even if they wouldnt eat the Minor, the shell is not part of Minior its just a shell

[gray vine]

yes the dex entires

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i wasnt being serious

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and i answered the question you asked lul

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i havent thinked of that, the main reason i want minior is for the design but ik it has some competitive use

so

[stuck bane]

Rayquaza be like: “mmmm, I love snorting space snow”

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we got this space rock that switches stats with the shields down ability, meteor form is high defenses but low attack/special attack and low speed and core corm is high attack/special attack and speed but low defenses

plus it has equal attack and special attack, so ig it could work with both special and physical attackers

we can work with that

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when will hatterene get added?

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Where is the image uhh

[grim sail]

what image

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meh
there’s no gen 8-9 pokemon for pif

[inland jewel]

Anything past gen 7 won't be added since this uses an old version of Pokemon Essentials

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oh here

[inland jewel]

and updating to Gen 8-9 breaks the game so much that the Dev gave up

[grim sail]

anyways umm, got any cool aegislash fusions

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blastoise/aegislash is a gun :)

[grim sail]

like rpg fantasy boss vibes idk

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isn’t there a channel for that

#fusions?
i think so

@silent acorn araquanid discussion when

[stuck bane]

Araquanid is hype

[stuck bane]

Oh hell no

Once I’m out of my pathfinder game, it’s on

Saying vespiquen is cool is fine, saying it’s above araquanid is a crime against humanity

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its time

[outer matrix]

I honestly find araquanid to be better than vespiqueen

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because it is

i dont need vespiqueen, beedrill better bee
and im not generally a fan of gen 1 pokemon

[zinc prairie]

Araquanid is the reason USUM was difficult

[outer matrix]

Bc of the totem battle right?

[zinc prairie]

yes

Totem Boosts + Infinite Rain and options were mid

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well, i dont think they will add totem araquanid to PIF so its not like theyre gonna make this game harder with araquanid lmao

[stuck bane]

Araquanid is still mechanically insane though, water bubble makes it stronger than light ball Pikachu for special attack kyogre fusions

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got me thinking, which minior fusions could be good?

[zinc prairie]

I think a better movepool too, you can offset the speed drop with Sticky Web from Araquanid's set

[zinc prairie]

it's not just switching stats, its adding BST as well

about 40

[glass patio]

i mean kinda meant that with switching but well should have specified that

[zinc prairie]

the 40 goes to Speed I believe so anything that can take advantage of that

[glass patio]

pretty sure it does that for speed

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60*

[zinc prairie]

0.5 Mega Evo

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120 speed
fast af meteor

[zinc prairie]

maybe Deo?

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and then use shell smash with white herb

unless of course the opponent removes the white herb with item removing moves or uses a stat lowering move before you do shell smash
that would leave minior with that defense drop
but at least it would still be really fast

[outer matrix]

I think that the IF showdown could help with planning

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yep

[outer matrix]

I wonder what would happen if a Pokémon with a very high defense and low attack gets minior's shield down ability? Pairing that with trick room

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cant really think of an answer for that

[zinc prairie]

Trick Room cares about Speed, activating Shields Down will change your speed and therefore priority in the bracket accordingly

The stat change effect starts during your turn and not after the turn of activation, which is in line with Mega Evolution Stat change from Gen 7

I've ran down ladder on Showdown enough times to experience this firsthand...

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[humble remnant]

WOW
TEN OUT OF TEN

[finite thistle]

As long as you ignore the movesets. There still using base gen 7. Ultra Sun and Moon Move Tutors included

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what did we even get this time around

i haven't played since like august

[silent acorn]

What was the reveal from back then? We have gotten like Lycanroc, Meloetta, Bruxish and Cresselia

[fringe beacon]

ah ok

[stuck bane]

Since august? Nah the last reveal in august was the snorunt line, so you missed like almost everything, just check the pins

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[proud lion]

I’m surprised the Frogman did not archive this channel as Cresselia was the last Mon of the batch I think.

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Geebus he missed the blackout event