pif-hoenn-discussion

[lone dawn]

BEST MF I'VE EVER KNOWN

[gentle ferry]

Me seeing Gastrodon in next to no top 20s every day 🙂

Call me bread cause I'm in pain

[cobalt nebula]

I had to ‘improve’ your top 20 somehow and you know I wasn’t removing the goat.

[lone dawn]

yea but you dared to took down necrozma

[pine apex]

I meant the two that got accepted

[cobalt nebula]

One single slot had to go. I chose the one that wasn’t in my own top 20.

[fast ruin]

I voted Gastrodon a 2 if it interests you.

[gentle ferry]

I'll take it!

[white meadow]

First im part of NGS so Necrozma is a insult to remove
And Noivern is awesome y remove him + he is in my top 3 Mons

[lone dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/regirock-pokemon-fuck-you-knc-gif-22176286

[lone dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/charmwastaken-charm-was-taken-gif-22773934

[short garden]

oh dear what is going on

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/echo-echovid-flophouse-echo-flophouse-gif-23777169

[gentle ferry]

discourse

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dannysonicx-battles-gif-5377184

[fast ruin]

hell

[lone dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074673659450507335/1076621235351465984/togif-2.gif

[cobalt nebula]

Wow. Who knew Hitler had the authority to ban people from the flophouse

[lone dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-pokemon-my-beloved-gif-22987683

[lone dawn]

i agree with the east

[lone dawn]

gastrodon is peak perfection

[fast ruin]

protects

[cobalt nebula]

Why not get a Pokémon that starts with O

Then you could use the acronym song.

[gilded eagle]

So who will make the vortex of doom

[lone dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-pokemon-my-beloved-gif-22987683

[glacial vigil]

Seems like Amaura and Aurorus aren't popular. I should have expected that. I would have prefered the pair together though

[lone dawn]

spiritomb is already in the game

[cobalt nebula]

They have some supporters, but I don’t think they got enough to get in.

[white meadow]

Noone said they cant get in

[gilded eagle]

I know that not the question

[lone dawn]

one of them is me

[glacial vigil]

Sadge. I like the Amaurus line

Language hard today

[lone dawn]

oh shoot i didn't read correctly sorry

[cobalt nebula]

I’m content with the fossilmon we got. And in terms of typing Leave the ice type discourse for Avalugg, Abomasnow, Regiice, cryogonal and Snorunt

[glacial vigil]

Oh right, Snorunt would be nice

[white meadow]

I love how many really think that Tyrantrum is the only fossil mon we can get
Like if anyone would have said we dont get more
They only said no amaura fossil is found yet

[gilded eagle]

Little ice hermit would be nice

[cobalt nebula]

Can I has regi sprite?

[white meadow]

What a talented and handsome son of a bird was able to make such a good looking Registeel/Yanmega

[brisk vessel]

Hi what did i miss

[cobalt nebula]

[gilded eagle]

I hope not I would love having archen line in game

[cobalt nebula]

I got this one too. Forget who made it but they in this chat somewhere.

[white meadow]

I think if we get another fossil it will be Amaura cuz now it has the Duo bonus since its Tyrunts counterpart

[brisk vessel]

In terms of fossils i want archeops the most 🥹

[white meadow]

Sprites I found in #1050404143807873157

[cobalt nebula]

Woah.

[shy marsh]

now do boldore

[white meadow]

First one is Kyurem/Regigigas but the spriter said it would be Regice/Regigigas if it was possible

[white meadow]

Only found these 2

[shy marsh]

not quite boldore but they will do

[gilded eagle]

You making boldore higher on my list

[cobalt nebula]

And by god it will happen if I can let it.

[rancid lily]

https://tenor.com/view/registeel-you-regi-pokemon-gif-24344742

[white meadow]

I mean Roggenrola line isnt bad for fuseing

[cobalt nebula]

Which one’s the last one?

[dense dome]

some people I saw who are making fun of other votes

I also saw people vote for pokémon that are funny

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[white meadow]

I accept every voters opinion
||Except marshadow||

[shy marsh]

amazing

[cobalt nebula]

Even the monkeys?

[white meadow]

Yes

[cobalt nebula]

Brave.

[white meadow]

Btw y did the 3 Hoopa enjoyers ask for a sprite and than dont do Propaganda with it

[wintry imp]

Ooh Banette

[cobalt nebula]

That’s a cool sprite

[white meadow]

Thanks I made it
Idk why but sometimes I pull good sprites out of my ass

[cobalt nebula]

You know you could lean into the toy tin soldier aspect of a registeel since Bannete is a forgotten toy

Sorry my hyper fixated brain did a curve back to regi’s. It is a cool hoopa sprite

[white meadow]

Its fine dont worry

[wintry imp]

Lol. Honestly I think the Regi's have some genuinely great potential but I don't think they're going to get in

[gilded eagle]

the questine is what behind the zipper?

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/hoopa-gif-20243481

[white meadow]

Wich one

[warm glen]

Guess not every Pokémon needs propaganda.

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-gif-25622771

[cobalt nebula]

If we all vote 3, then maybe, just maybe.

[white meadow]

I tried to make a sprite for it once and it looked awefull

[gilded eagle]

facepalm

[warm glen]

Can you show it?

[white meadow]

Deleted it sorry

[warm glen]

Man

[white meadow]

But I can show you a Reason to vote Golisopod

[stiff ember]

Deleting art

[rancid lily]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1142202649249320970/goodra_2.gif

[white meadow]

No really it was crap
Maybe I try again one time but idk

[stiff ember]

I keep all my art even my old stuff. Only stuff i dont keep everything for is trad art.

[warm glen]

By the way, if you ever do make a Marshadow sprite, what would you fuse it with?

[white meadow]

Idk yet

[brisk vessel]

Stunfisk ez

[white meadow]

Yes a roadkill Marshadow

[warm glen]

It's already undead

[white meadow]

Nah I do not know yet
Maybe I find something fitting
But if I do I probably try a non zenit form

[warm glen]

I think I've only done one non zenith form sprite, it was Marshadow/Altaria and it feels very eh to me. Really basic I made it

[white meadow]

I do like form pokemon only cuz we can change stuff when the other half evolves where we normaly camt

[cobalt nebula]

Hey, why are we getting new Pokémon anyway? I thought the game software wise could not handle anymore

[warm glen]

If I were to do more non zenith forms, it would be on unevolved Pokémon

[white meadow]

I think it has something to do with the new Installer

[brisk vessel]

I do hope we can eventually get all pokemon (atleast up to gen 7)

[rancid lily]

https://tenor.com/view/regirock-gif-18340779

[fast ruin]

As far as I know, there are technical reasons which prevent this from happening.

(Altough I wish there weren't)

[solid nimbus]

Well all things I wanted are coming true, got sableye, the scolipede line and now Tyrantrum

[white meadow]

Good taste man

[brisk vessel]

Im still waiting on melo 🥹

bacon bird isnt looking as likely nowadays

I have a feeling they wont do confirmations for Legends/mythicals though since they could be saving them for the final slots in the dex

[warm glen]

Yeah, Meloetta seems to be rising in how much talk I see of it

At least, being rather high in tier lists and such

[brisk vessel]

I like to think I contributed a bit to that 🥹

[cobalt nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1142564030653931520/image.png

[vestal monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/mightyena-magic-gif-12997613

[brisk vessel]

Even still
Not everyone uses this channel so i can only hope

[warm glen]

True

[cobalt nebula]

You can do Future Paradox Mon with Registeel technically.

[white meadow]

Yes Kirlia is cool

[vestal monolith]

[brisk vessel]

Tbf you can also do that with genesect

[white meadow]

Thats a Point now we meed someone who likes junk metal from the future

[cobalt nebula]

Gene sect leans way more towards weapons rather then just general metal

[brisk vessel]

Idk i see a lot of future paradox fusions that use genesect

[cobalt nebula]

But not all future mon need a giant weapon

[solid nimbus]

Thank you

[brisk vessel]

Im trying to find sprites but deana isnt loading

[solid nimbus]

This channel nearly feels dead I was here on day 1, week 1, and things have changed so much it is actually crazy

[fast ruin]

Things settle down after a while.

[brisk vessel]

Its not that big

[brisk vessel]

True it isn't as overwhelming as before

Ig thats why they turned down slowmode

[white meadow]

I love Purple

Adding a nice Purple is one way to get me likeing something
||Even works with girls lol||

[white meadow]

Thats a pinkish purple tho
Still pretty

[solid nimbus]

Most likely a lot of the weird ads, propaganda and just regulars of that time have moved on to greener pastures

[brisk vessel]

The only purple(ish) meloetta i have is the aegislash one

[cobalt nebula]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/project-pokemon/images/1/11/Spirit_Regice.png/revision/latest?cb=20170722060405

[cinder oasis]

Lol

[brisk vessel]

Fair
I think i have done all i can to get people to vote for my picks

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/grape-juice-purple-sugar-water-purple-juice-i-want-that-purple-stuff-gif-15429176

[brisk vessel]

(The Meloetta propaganda is now the most upvoted propaganda post on the subreddit)

[solid nimbus]

That first week was the key period

[zinc cave]

TRUE

[white meadow]

Another way is makeing a fusion with one of my top 3 mons
Torterra, Scolipede and Noivern

[brisk vessel]

Lo

[white meadow]

Still waiting for a Rock music Scolietta

[brisk vessel]

If i have time (and you'd better use it for something)

[final forge]

I MISSED THE TYRUNT REVEAL???

[cobalt nebula]

Regirock mohawk

[white meadow]

Yes Meloetta propaganda

[cobalt nebula]

I’m tired. Disregard this unless you think for some reason it’s a good idea lol. I doubt it

[outer matrix]

made a maractus/meloetta fusion
(i hope that meloetta and maractus gets in the game)

[white meadow]

Yes

• dont be one of the people who acts like they said there cant be more fossil mons thanks

[white meadow]

Thats such a cutie I wanna hug it

[final forge]

No I love fossil mons don't worry, I'm very happy tyrantrum got in
I'm still just gonna be doing propaganda for ngs though

[hard token]

damn surprised tyrantrum got in early

[brisk vessel]

Alot of people liked it i think

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-cactus-hug-gif-15440781

[remote ibex]

we love dinosaur

[hard token]

yea it wasnt pushed as much as other mons in this chat so it kinda suprised me but thats a good thing

[hard token]

me too 😈

[white meadow]

I am exited for all the Theropod fusions

[remote ibex]

https://tenor.com/bxy8G.gif

[hard token]

?

[cobalt nebula]

D

D

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ranboo-caught-in4k-gif-23171938

[remote ibex]

dont worry bout it

[hard token]

??????

[cobalt nebula]

The instant flash hurt my eyes.

[brisk vessel]

What

[fast ruin]

This chat isn't indicative of the people's opinion.

Most of those who voted likely haven't even looked here.

[hard token]

thats what i was thinking but im glad its kinda confirmed now

[brisk vessel]

This is also the main reason i made a reddit post

[hard token]

my 2 fav mons chances have shot up 🙏

[cobalt nebula]

The flash from the gif hurt my eyes and I’m very tired so I didn’t think so I just got it out of my sight

[brisk vessel]

I am aware not everyone uses this channel so i posted my thing elsewhere to get More attention 👍

[fast ruin]

On that note, vote for the life duo. We have cookies.

[brisk vessel]

The post did really well so i like to think melo has a good chance

[brisk vessel]

Bacon bird is my number 2

[fast ruin]

yos

[brisk vessel]

One of my meloettas is a yveltal fusion 😁

[wintry imp]

Apologies if the text is too small lol

[cobalt nebula]

I commissioned xeno Yvetal years ago

[final forge]

It wasn't pushed as much but whenever anyone put their favorite mons tier list it was consistently the highest fossil mon and pretty much always in a high tier

[fast ruin]

Oh btw, in case it pleases you, I gave Meloetta a 3 without even thinking about it.

[brisk vessel]

👍

[hard token]

hmm i didnt see it as much but im not in here as much as other ppl so idk

[fast ruin]

Point 2 is the most important one.

[wintry imp]

Hydregon + Necrozma = King Ghidorah

[final forge]

I swear there's already a king ghidorah fusion but that'd still be cool

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141094775022419968/1141094775311843348/X.354.png

[wintry imp]

There is but this would be an oppotunity to do it right lol

[final forge]

Fair enough

[wintry imp]

Well, not that the other ones are wrong.

Meloetta + Rotom = Echo

[fast ruin]

Yes exactly like that.

[final forge]

I know of like 3 different echos but all I can think of is echo echo from Ben 10 😭

[fossil kelp]

I'm surprised people are surprised about tyrantrum

[wintry imp]

Fair lmao, but I'm refering to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKGUgOfD8U

[warm glen]

Have there been more sprites using the pirouette form?

[final forge]

OH
make that 4
Pretty good song 👍

[wintry imp]

Ye

[minor mantle]

Oh nice
Is this another staff pick?

[tame flax]

we already got two miku fusions

[fossil kelp]

[final forge]

Not to my knowledge
@brisk vessel do you know?

[fossil kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142545755714887793/1142558380884508742/2023_08_19_0pd_Kleki_1_5.png

[final forge]

really predicted it

[wintry imp]

Ooh, is that Hopip?

[final forge]

Ty
Also that looks pretty nice

[warm glen]

There's one

[brisk vessel]

Leafeon i think

[tame flax]

i think scolipede is the only staff pick

[minor mantle]

Oh so the Dino is one of the mons that got many votes

[fossil kelp]

He just had too many things going for him not to be. He's a t-rex, people had already shown off amazing sprites for him, he brings a new ability to the table ALONG with another headsmash pokemon. Ill admit I didn't expect him to be the first to be revealed though. But this means none of the other fossils got in

[tame flax]

yup

[fossil kelp]

[minor mantle]

Wait what ability do they have?

[tame flax]

strong jaw and rock head

[fossil kelp]

Strong jaw

[tame flax]

imagine fusing with something like absol for stab strong jaw crunch

[fossil kelp]

Yeeeee

[cobalt nebula]

Goodnight Chat

[fossil kelp]

Unfortunately either typing of his (rock / dragon) gets a 4x weakness if he goes dark typing ( fighting or fairy ) respectively

[final forge]

Goodnight

[minor mantle]

Plus
Absol trex sounds dope af

[iron quartz]

Good morning CHAT

[wintry imp]

Actually, thinking about this, PorygonZ would fit so much better for this

[pale osprey]

Wait is voting over then? Did they basically officially removed aurorus from the run?

[tame flax]

no

[iron quartz]

nah

[raw bison]

Tyrantrum Krookodile for a Rock/Dark Bitey Monster, Feraligatr/Tyrantrum for a Water/Dragon Bitey Beast

[pale osprey]

No to 1 but then yes to the second right? They said only one fossil and explicitly mentioned aororus right?

[warm glen]

Thinking about this, I think I want more Meloetta fusions to be actually music based rather than an excuse for more human Pokemon than Gardevoir and Gallade. There are definitely some, but I don't see enough I think.

[iron quartz]

@raw bison quick request
Can you make a Tyrantum/Golurk Sprite referencing Grimlock?

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/transformer-g1-transformers-transform-dinosaur-gif-18658570

[pale osprey]

Those are all body fusions which will lead to that female body taking priority, I think it's the head fusions on other mons that will lead to music.

Then there is the rotom one that is peak because it's both

[brisk vessel]

Half of them include a ton of music motifs 🥹

(Also the genesect one is a head fusion)

[warm glen]

I do know there's some there, maybe I'm not really seeing it clearly in others.

[brisk vessel]

The only ones without music motifs are golisopod and yveltal

Aegislash has a bunch of note lines and F clefs incorporated into the design
Necrozma's "spears" are Quarter and Eighth notes
Genesect has a pair of loud speakers
Rotom is pretty obvious

[reef pivot]

oh the trex got added

[warm glen]

Must've directed my thoughts at those then, there isn't too much sprites anyways so my nitpick can 100% be proven wrong in the near future.

[brisk vessel]

👍

[warm glen]

Also, now I know the bottom left is Genesect, I could never tell what it was

[brisk vessel]

Its the only meloetta head out of them so it could be confusing if you assume all are body fusions

[pale osprey]

It just doesn't look like him at all tbh

[brisk vessel]

Brother the body is litterally ripped directly from genesect i just added the "skirt armor" plates

[pale osprey]

I think back cannon is too iconic for genesect so changing that removes that identity from my head

[brisk vessel]

(Its also a reference fusion which is why i moved the back cannon to the "arms")

[warm glen]

This isn't to say I don't like Meloetta for fusions either, probably up there for my picks with Froslass, Marshadow, and Pumpkaboo for example of my picks.

[warm glen]

I think the slight problem is that all the fusions still keep Meloetta's actual head. Yeah the palette is of the other Pokemon, but the head shape is still always Meloetta

It's an issue with some Gardevoir fusions anyways

[high haven]

Hey if anyone wants to see a few more Seviper fusions, I'm open to suggestions.

[sharp sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-stray-stray-sad-stray-sob-stray-gif-23368148

[brisk vessel]

Fair enough
For that one i did just literally slap the melo head on the gene body

[strange jetty]

PHEROMOSA

[warm glen]

That's ok, I'll bring up my Marshadow/Altaria again. Just Marshadow with a big fluffly cloud covering its body.

[ruby skiff]

Is there any way to find out what the stats of a fusion of one of the newly added pokemon would be?

[warm glen]

I can do better since I made that during in a car ride

[sharp sphinx]

manually or via excel with the formula 2/3 spattack spdef and hp from head 1/3 body flip from other stats

[ruby skiff]

that's so confusing 🤯😵

[untold valve]

Seviper/Persian as a Smilodon

[high haven]

Okay, got it

[rocky condor]

vote chatot or i'll be sad :(

[thin willow]

Reminder of why golisopod should be in.
1: Badass design. Powerful monster look
2: Amazing typing and coverage
3: Extremly versatile
4: Amazing fusion potential
5: Overall 10/10
6: A chance to use it without its crippling ability
7: Almost won worlds back in gen 8
8: Guzmas Golisopod was an absolute menace in the anime
9: Its a samurai. Wears armor. Wears the bodies of its victims
10: Scolopede and Necrozma are in alliances with us and are great mons to fuse with
11: Badass Anime references

https://tenor.com/view/gogogolisopod-golisopod-goatedgolisopod-gif-25159763

[crude garden]

I had a flash of inspiration for tyrunt

[muted shoal]

I need Tyranitar / Tyrantrum like yesterday

[crude garden]

Not skilled enough for that sorry

[austere grotto]

im excited to see what people make for the wooper line and the tyrunt line

[frozen oyster]

Tyrunt + croconaw sounds adorable

[rough hound]

so as some of you may know, i have an issue. i planned to make a gastrodon/toxicroak for propoganda, but as you can see its not turning out very gastrodon-like. so i need to figure out which of these paths im gonna take to remedy this and keep the propoganda coming

I can

1. change course and make this a machamp or crobat head instead by switching its palette around and adding their traits

2. try to salvage this as gastrodon, but itd need a lot of work

3. just move on for now and work on another sprite i had planned

which should i do?

[crude garden]

There's a badass tyrantrum feraligatr over in the Sprite chat

As for toxicroak I would say either pivot to Machamp or take some time away, he's stanced up like Machamp already.

[frozen oyster]

Yeah, the sprite looks really good so far! Can definitely see machamp as a fusion.

[reef pivot]

i want gastrodon 😦

[rough hound]

So do i, i just fumbled the bag on this one. In the meantime, heres a dragalge/gastrodon i made

[crude garden]

My first sprites in a long, long time

[restive folio]

Zygarde should be in game too

So vote zygarde everyone

[crude garden]

I did

[final forge]

Me too

[final forge]

Amazing

[high haven]

Adorable, just adorable

[crude garden]

I'm pretty proud of Voltorb, and tyrunt just makes me laugh.

[nocturne jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/roggenrola-heart-locket-beloved-pokemon-gif-24472222

[crude garden]

We need goomy propaganda

[potent venture]

gotcha @crude garden

[untold valve]

Flygon Goomy's lil' goggles! So cute!

[crude garden]

Now we just need letters in the background. Vote 333 Goomy

[upper talon]

Vote for Ultra Beasts

[crude garden]

Salamence might be one I could actually pull off

[junior blaze]

Why did the messed up looking dogs win

Those dogs ain't right (tyrunt and tyrantrum)

[naive cobalt]

why does the dinosaur not look like a dog

[junior blaze]

Genuinely shocked Amaura didn't win, people usually love them equally

But hey two more slots, I'm not complaining

[rustic dust]

i always forget about amaura tbh

not a bad pokemon tho i just always forget its name

[brisk vessel]

trex cool

[junior blaze]

We are going to get a T Rex Nugget fusion

[crude garden]

Who would make a dino nugget? Delibird maybe? Torchic?

[junior blaze]

Idk

Maybe swirlix if it gets in cause just food fusions

[iron quartz]

Ninja turtle?

[stark garden]

Tyrantrum made it

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[junior blaze]

So I assume the voting is over and they're just gonna slowly announce the winners

[brisk vessel]

no

[junior blaze]

Be stupid if they did a "HERE'S A PNG!! REACT 1000 TIMES!!!" for every announcement over the span of like 2 months though

[sand mica]

When will Skuntank be added?

[eternal belfry]

i think they may be adding in mons that have overwhelming support instead of making them take up a slot.

[junior blaze]

I assume this is winners being announced which don't make a whole lot of sense but idk

Honestly Ludicolo Line probably not getting in

[eternal belfry]

Ludicolo line is honestly a sleeper pick. Imagine all the dancing mons.

[junior blaze]

I'm just based because Ludicolo is awesome and lotad is cute

[eternal belfry]

Its also more popular than you think

[proper schooner]

Scolipede line is the only one to not take slots rn

[junior blaze]

Lombre is the weird middle Evo but name 3 middle evos that weren't weird in gen 3

[proper schooner]

Grovyle, lairon, metang

[eternal belfry]

Then i guess tyrantrum had so much overwhelming support that its inclusion was guaranteed?
So they gave us a spoiler?

[junior blaze]

Lairon evolves from essentially a dog and becomes godzilla, metang evolves from a fist into a disc with arms, and grovyle I'll give you

[dense vigil]

So where do we vote for the new mons or is it just popularity

[forest vapor]

Noitales my beloved 💗

[sharp sphinx]

more like nointales

[dense vigil]

Can Druddigon cure my emotional damage

[paper pasture]

Check announcements for the vote form and yes

[junior blaze]

Bro imagine someone using slaking in a fusion and not choosing something other than Truant

[paper pasture]

Traunt top tier ability when ur tryna pp stall

[gaunt fossil]

Was there ever a clarification on whether pokemon with multiple forms took up multiple slots? I'd assume it would just be one slot, and you can choose the pose/form you like for fusions, but some people seem to think oricorio or castform would take up 4 slots

[paper pasture]

I've heard oricorio counts as one slot but idk

[junior blaze]

Think they said Oricorio is one slot

[junior blaze]

And Castform was not shown with weather sprites

[paper pasture]

Why not let them where shorts

I heard they are comfortable and easy to wear

[gaunt fossil]

ralts is already wearing pants!?!

[manic silo]

Did you know that ground types are weak to ice? This means ur activity killing the Cubone if you don't give it pants!

[manic silo]

Ermmm why not double pants for double the weather protection

[white meadow]

what even is that top left yellow fusion?

[manic silo]

Uhhhhhhh big prizim man from sun and moon

[iron quartz]

Necrozma

[white meadow]

The ultra form?

loool

[verbal narwhal]

VOTE THE SPACE ROCK CUZ ITS NEAT

[final forge]

Wtf is druddigon the second coming of Jesus or something

[manic silo]

I'm not even in the starter pack

[paper pasture]

No, druddigon is baefy

[iron quartz]

Is your team big.

[manic silo]

I guess not

So far I only know 3 other Scraggy enjoyers

[iron quartz]

Necrozma and Golisopod is left
Scolipede is already coming to the game

[manic silo]

However I ever made alliances with the other teams

[iron quartz]

Tell me.

[manic silo]

Big brick man,scary bird doll and toxic frog to name some

[iron quartz]

So Toxicroak and what?

[final forge]

Stakataka and ??
I assume

[iron quartz]

@manic silo Wth is Bird doll

[manic silo]

Claydol

[iron quartz]

IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE A BIRD

[final forge]

Is it actually supposed to be a bird

[manic silo]

It looks bird like to me

[steep glen]

I have two on Golisopod. That the best your getting

[iron quartz]

THIS look like a bird??

[steep glen]

Even less intrested

[manic silo]

Yes

[iron quartz]

EXPLAIN

[final forge]

It's based off of this

[manic silo]

The yellow things look like beaks

[manic silo]

Ohhhh

[iron quartz]

It doesnt have a mouth

[manic silo]

I thought they were beaks as for like decoration

Have I really lied to myself for 16 whole years

[cinder oasis]

I thought so too

[manic silo]

The Claydol community is gonna get me for this one

The Claydol fans launching 5 million Ancient Powers at me for thinking Claydol is a bird:

[manic silo]

Bergmitenation is back!

[rough hound]

its toxichamp time baby ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i know it looks goofy rn, its in progress atm

[manic silo]

Reminds me of Goro

[rustic topaz]

Tyrunt baby!

[solid nimbus]

Oh my god, hi I haven’t seen you in a minute

[manic silo]

GIGALITH MAN IS BACK

[night oracle]

hi ive been busy making sprites like this i have less time to yell at people

[vestal wharf]

6/23 sprites were added

[solid nimbus]

Nice work

[vestal wharf]

I hope they change their mind on the starters but then again that will never happen

[left plover]

did medicham get in

[night oracle]

yeah probs gonna yell more tomorrow

[vestal wharf]

We need accelgor and toxicroak

But then again you cant have accelgor without excavier 💀

[manic silo]

Peak

[night oracle]

Peak? i dont understand words im dumb

[vestal wharf]

[manic silo]

It means very good

[night oracle]

O

[alpine rune]

honestly that can be changed. it has seperate slots after all, 2 for accelgor line, 2 for excavalier line

[vestal wharf]

I didnt realize that evo line was a duo

[solid nimbus]

To evolve them you have to trade them for the other, karrblast for shelmet, makes them evolve

[vestal wharf]

Yea
I meant the dinos

[manic silo]

I think they would change that

[vestal wharf]

Doublade/excavalier 💀

[manic silo]

Scary stuff..

[vestal wharf]

It would look sick

[manic silo]

True

[solid nimbus]

I think so too

[undone surge]

Claydol: exists
Me: Erm, he's right behind me, isn't he?

Erm, did I say that out loud?

[torpid mountain]

who gave you the artistic ability to create this abomination

[night oracle]

idk i think i broke the system

[austere grotto]

😮

[austere grotto]

spheal needs to be in game

[civic harness]

Claydol/Stakataka

Oh

[sharp sphinx]

sprites by quagfryer

[austere grotto]

i love him

[inland jewel]

I don’t want 3 slots for another water type

[sharp sphinx]

it's also an ice type which we need

[austere grotto]

yea

[inland jewel]

We have like 5 ice water types already

[austere grotto]

But its spheal

[inland jewel]

If we want orb fusions we already got Voltorb

[austere grotto]

voltorb is ugly

[inland jewel]

When fused it doesn’t matter since the other Pokémon overwrites it

[austere grotto]

spheal is cute

[sharp sphinx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/fk3izw/bulbasaur_and_spheal_line_fusion_oc/

[inland jewel]

Cool Walrein fusions, not spheal though

[austere grotto]

OMG I love him

[civic harness]

Yes, that the problem

[civic harness]

But what about the potential?

[austere grotto]

evaluate

[austere grotto]

vote spheal now

[inland jewel]

Spheals types and abilities are already covered by others in game, it doesn’t bring any unique moves and it’s body shape is already covered by Dewgong, and Voltorb

[austere grotto]

idc its spheal

[civic harness]

As a body it is not useful, as a head maybe

[inland jewel]

Accesories like horns, tusks and hair are covered by the swinub line, probopass, whimsical

Color is also the same as the poliwag line,

[civic harness]

But is just a ball, we have already Voltorb, Electrode, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff

[austere grotto]

its spheal

[civic harness]

Thats the problem

[inland jewel]

Spheal offers nothing new which isn’t in the game already

[austere grotto]

how is the round boi the porblem'

[inland jewel]

Now Cryogonal is a good choice since we have no crystal-like Pokémon

[civic harness]

Just its latest evolution has potential

[austere grotto]

its not like there is vgc bro

[inland jewel]

As a sprite also I don’t see a ton of potential for spheal or sealeo

[sharp sphinx]

https://media.tenor.com/aa---wAMSBcAAAAd/pokemon-pikachu.gif this didn't save right when I attached with other 3

[civic harness]

Thats why they should look for potential, not cuteness

[austere grotto]

no spheal has potential

walrein is actually pretty good alone in the base game

[inland jewel]

Like you said not VGC and I don’t care about stats anyway

I know it’s a wall but without any hail setters you be wasting a turn

[austere grotto]

people should be woting for pokemon they like not if they will be good

[civic harness]

In fact, for that reason, starters were being voted too much

[inland jewel]

I voted cryogonal because we lake crystalline Pokémon, I’d be okay with dropping him if Diancie or Carbink gets in, but he also serves as an ice type and only takes up a single slot

[sharp sphinx]

well no voting based on what you believe about fusion potential and just the the mon itself is reasonable I just hink it'll be coolto see lots of fusions from the line whih si far superior to seel's line

[inland jewel]

That’s why starters were slots 2,3, and 4 on the poll with 93% of the votes each

[austere grotto]

fr

[stiff island]

We need rockruff in the game and it's literally only because this guy exists https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1142684119176855583

[sharp sphinx]

can play with the stache on sealeo (ik emboar aint in just example)

[inland jewel]

So if they didn’t remove it then I’d be sabeleye, gens 6 and 7 starters and one other mon

[night oracle]

ADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[sharp sphinx]

well I think one big factor with starters was that because they were grouped up it meant anybody votting for just one of them counted as vote for all 3 and it got consolidated

[austere grotto]

im just glad that tyrunt and tyrantrum were added in

[inland jewel]

Wish Amaura was added

[austere grotto]

yea

[inland jewel]

We’d actually havre more ice types and have snow warning on a mon that isn’t delibird

[civic harness]

And yes, it has high potential

[austere grotto]

yea and its cool

[sharp sphinx]

anyways avalugg imo oesnt have a ton of potential as it mainly brings being made of cie which most ice types can

[inland jewel]

Spheal and it’s line has no ice on its body though

[sharp sphinx]

I agree cryogonal makes more sense than it, te snowflake symbol on your flag ends up emphasiizng how cool snowflake features on mons could be

oh wasn't advocating spheal there

[raw bison]

WAS THERE A DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO VOTE
SHOULD I DISTRIBUTE MY SPREADSHEET OUT AGAIN

[sharp sphinx]

was more of an ice debate

[thin willow]

im in need @golden shuttle

[hard token]

starters were removed because they take up 9 slots each not cause people liked them

[raw bison]

Each month can score up to three points! Youvjust gotta figure out how you want to distribute those points

[sharp sphinx]

month

[civic harness]

They took it out because they saw that the starters were in the top positions

[sharp sphinx]

opted for variety instead

[raw bison]

Plus with three sets and only twenty slots the poll would go from "which mons are we adding" to "which starters get left out"

[sharp sphinx]

@radiant briar
#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[civic harness]

People voted for them for the affection they have, they become the first presentation of pokemon games, although almost always on the covers there is a legendary pokemon

That affection ended in several votes, the staff saw the problem of the spaces they could occupy since these were among the first positions

[hard token]

let people vote for what they like, starters were removed not just cause they were popular but because there were 3 sets of them and took up 9 slots in a 20 pokemon poll

[sharp sphinx]

unless what they like is the elemental monkeys

[hard token]

dw no one likes the monkeys LOL

[civic harness]

Yes, no one

On that we all agree

[sharp sphinx]

Ik 1 guy

[raw bison]

I'm getting my spreadsheet again I put a lot of work entering 185 data fields

[sharp sphinx]

why kaegro not kagero btw?

[undone surge]

I like the monkeys...

[civic harness]

Oh

[alpine rune]

Youre the first.

[undone surge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-krillin-frieza-explode-gif-25017249

[rain gust]

What do y'all think of the new T-Rex mfers?
Personally,I'm not a fan cause to me they're just more big ass lizard mons

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuzalad-gif-22281385

[alpine rune]

What is that, naruto?

[sharp sphinx]

naw theres a lotta awesome stuff ya can do with em+as head they provide both cool tyrant or kingly visage with crown and/or tiny arms for memes

[civic harness]

The same thing happens to me, I like Crabominable but it does not have great potential and it is also very hated for its appearance and stats

[undone surge]

https://tenor.com/view/san-goku-stare-anime-gif-11833425

[rain gust]

True, we don't really have a full on dinosaur mon so it would be cool to see what spriters can do

[sharp sphinx]

it's also a specific posture we don't have any mon with yeah,
tons of pop culture references that are dinos

[alpine rune]

that's sasuke right?

[sharp sphinx]

we had like tyranitar before but it really ain't the same

[rain gust]

No dumbass that's Martin Luther King Jr

[alpine rune]

oh mb

[undone surge]

This is why I voted a 0 on the monkeys. They are basically the same designs but taking up 6 slots. It would be really funny if they got in, though.

[sharp sphinx]

no it's sun wukong

[undone surge]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-deleted-gif-26122644

[raw bison]

It's a character name from one of my earliest DnD games who I got really fond of - Kaegro was in the draconomicon as the draconic word for Undead and it ended up suiting the character in a lot of ways, but not the ones I intended. She accidentally took over part of hell because of some PTSD and mental health issues, it was wild.

But anyway, SPREADSHEET
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j5aQv48bdNhO7NWLN2wxayVW861CxMWjKcxBTN15j5E/edit#gid=0
Make your own copy, adjust the categories as you see fit, and make sure your conscience is clear on voting your desires accurately!

[sharp sphinx]

oh we meant like em for this poll otherwise it's just questionable taste

[undone surge]

I assumed so, but I still like the monkeys, and you need to show love for the underdogs sometimes. Also, it was funny.

[raw bison]

Oh looking at my sheet I should update my vote on Aurorus to a 3 because with Tyrantrum in the game it makes sense to add their counterpart.

[sharp sphinx]

it is a reasonble addition

[raw bison]

they gain a point in the "makes sense" category cause of the addition of tyrantrum, it'll feel weird without em

[sharp sphinx]

don't really think we should add stuff just cause x related thing is in, but it does have its own merits even if not in my top 20

if ya vote em though remember noivern bring boomburst which amazin with refrigerate

[raw bison]

yeah it's only one point on my sheet but Aurorus already had the other two for cool aurora ice type fusions and then my shameless bias towards dinosaurs, so they're up to three with the confirmation of tyrantrum

[raw bison]

OH THAT'S CUTE but of course it is it's two cuties

[digital ferry]

Alright posting some propaganda before I call it a night. Gonna have to make it larger soon but I figure Tyrantrum fusions will keep me busy for a day or two ^^

[sharp sphinx]

trying to change the mind of stakataka voters is like talking to a brick wall

[high iris]

I got no real reasons for why, I just pray somehow - in some way - despite the odds - that Torkoal gets to be added. He has potential, but he is up against a big game. I am praying for my buddy.

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

https://tenor.com/view/pikaded-gif-25719770

Chat ^^^^^

[wintry imp]

Tis indeed that time of day

[iron quartz]

DTG?

[clever vigil]

Sharpedo/Charmander that I just finished

[iron quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-smile-grin-jjk-yuji-itadori-gif-18924114
Sukuna smile

[native nebula]

why is season 2 so bad?

[rough hound]

DTG also works, but i decided to call it Dragicroadon as a placeholder and it just stuck

[clever vigil]

I just like making fusions with big sharp teeth tbh

[iron quartz]

Your gonna get jumped by the fans if you say that tbh

[native nebula]

It was annoying how I could see everything coming. There was no tension.

[rough hound]

I just think theyre neat

[iron quartz]

I havent seen s2 yet i have got a general understanding on what it is
because oh my god,Do anime fans spoiler alot of shit so much (ex: gear 5th)

[mortal walrus]

I just hope the round boi and his line make it in

[exotic jewel]

Spheal?

Yeah, I want him, too.

[mortal walrus]

Glory to the round spheal

He just a good lill round boi tht I must protecc

[exotic jewel]

PRAISE BE TO THE ALMIGHTY SPHEAL!!

Team Tropius will defend the round bois!

[green yew]

Dzeef, is that you?

[atomic pawn]

petilil lilligant is allied with team spheal btw

[neat hemlock]

We got a dinosaur and a cool bug. Time for cute stuff

[rough hound]

I wasnt gonna post this, but then i realized that dragalge is camouflaging into the potato lmfao

[atomic pawn]

lol

[maiden flume]

If Kartana makes it in...

[exotic jewel]

What about the lovable, huggable brachiosaurus, Tropius?

[maiden flume]

Someone so needs to make a Kartana/Torterra that's pretty much just the Earth Velumental

[neat hemlock]

I picked my preferred dino. Iceasaurus

[exotic jewel]

No, wait, it should be one of those paper diaramas you'd make in like 3rd grade.

[neat hemlock]

Plus I prefer my plants small and cute

[exotic jewel]

What about big and cute?

[maiden flume]

Either way, could turn out cool

Oh man, imagine Sylveon/Noivern

That'd be so good

[neat hemlock]

Imagine blitzle and charmander

Minotaur style horse bottom with fire lizard head... With yummy accents of fire and lightnijg

[exotic jewel]

What about Dragalge/Arbok?

[neat hemlock]

I don't want a more spider version of horsea

https://tenor.com/view/hypotrempe-encre-pokémon-gif-15021230

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-gif-25622771

[neat hemlock]

But if it made him more fat... Would be a long boy

[marble meadow]

Kartana has potential to fuse mons into origami

https://tenor.com/view/james-team-rocket-carnivine-cacnea-コジロウ-ロケット団-gif-25139686

[neat hemlock]

Best cactus is round boy. Maractus is second.

[exotic jewel]

YOOO CACNEA

[alpine rune]

question, is this thing spikes or fur?

[rough hound]

Question. Would offering to attempt making custom bases for each of the 3 lines in my alliance catch anyones interest?

[forest timber]

I can't believe one of the mons I wanted the most was actually selected!

[clever atlas]

Here's your morning dose of doggo!
Friendly reminder to vote for these good bois!
Here's some reasons why you should:

• they're good bois
• we need more speedy rock types
• we don't yet have a proper wolf pokemon
• A great mix of cute and cool
• Lycanroc has 3 forms ||two are almost the same but shhh|| (that means more options for spriters)
• a lot of possible cool fusions

[reef pivot]

i already voted

[final forge]

You can change your votes actually

[winged garnet]

It's a mane I'm pretty sure

[marble meadow]

Mr.Mime blacepholon = pennywise

[alpine rune]

not like it matters now

[alpine rune]

thanks

[raw bison]

I believe it's meant to be a feathery ruff like you see on vultures, but done in a spikey way to match the aggressive and sharp aesthetic of tyrantrum

[untold reef]

the last one is giving off major emo vibes

[winged garnet]

I would do a tyrantrum fusion, but the thought of it intimidates me tbh

[raw bison]

It's being challenging ngl, he's got a lot going on to translate

[marble meadow]

i wouldn’t be surprised if another mon gets an extra slot

[sturdy breach]

Mornin peeps

[raw bison]

It would definitely be a pleasant surprise. I'm not gonna count on getting additional mons but every time they say ones added as a bonus it's gonna be a celebration. Even if I'm not into whichever ones they are it's still less competition for my MVPS

[hushed mantle]

Does chatot have any chance of winning? I think it has a pretty color palette

[sturdy breach]

Truthfully, I doubt it

[zenith quarry]

minor gang

[wintry imp]

Minior Gang

[trail hull]

Yay we now know 3 of the 17 slots

[old bluff]

tyrantum and sableye are part of 20?

[trail hull]

Yes

Only mon that aren’t a part of the top is the venipede line

[white meadow]

I wouldnt be mad if Torkoal wins

[clever atlas]

Wtf 17? The scolipede line were bonus,separate from the 20

[trail hull]

Sableye count

[white meadow]

"the only fire type tortoise" turtonator:

[upper echo]

damn sableye counts
I find it surprising that it actually got in via vote

[trail hull]

I dont it was very obvious

[high iris]

That is a Turtle Dragon - not a Tortoise

[bleak turret]

I just want as many final evolutions to make more final teams. I dont wanna waste slots on a 3 stage

[upper echo]

Sableye isn't a absurdly popular pokemon

[white meadow]

didn't it dominate the vote including the fucking starters?

[upper echo]

I find it hard to believe it dominated

[lime sorrel]

It's an amazing pick design wise

[upper echo]

It has prankster but it's popularity isn't really as big as gastradon or croagunk

[bleak turret]

I feel like Sableye is more popular than Croagunk

[clever atlas]

I mean when i hear popular Pokémon, i don't think of sableye either

[white meadow]

yeah no shot gastrodon is as popular as sableye

[bleak turret]

I think mega sabeleye made him much more popular

[upper echo]

Croagunk was in the anime
Has a cool Evo made it into pokken

[trail hull]

Also we don’t talk about sableye in general but sableye in this community

[white meadow]

meh just because something is popular doesn't mean everyone has to know it

[clever atlas]

I guess idk this community too well

[bleak turret]

I just saw the gunk shot animation in this game for the first time and its goofy

[upper echo]

It does have a nice design

[raw bison]

Sableye is about as popular as Mawile I feel, and with Mawile in the game it's absence was probably felt keenly enough that people were really there for it

[upper echo]

But I mean it got the stats of the middle stage of leavanny

[bleak turret]

They need to give mawhile/sableye evolutions/form changes like ursaring and weavile

[trail hull]

Also gen 3 mons are a lot appreciated

[upper echo]

I do love me some alolan muk

[raw bison]

a l t a r i a s t a n

[bleak turret]

I lofe all the hisuian/galar/alola forms

[upper echo]

So are gen 4 mons tbh so I dunno

[raw bison]

only dragon type missing from the first four generations! Want my fluffy songbird dragon to fuse with fun lil guys!

[sturdy breach]

I think design wise my favourite gen is gen 7

Overall

[upper echo]

I have a bias towards gen 5 mons

[bleak turret]

Same

[upper echo]

Bewear do be peak

[bleak turret]

Gen 5 is when I really started playing a lot of pkmn

[trail hull]

I want bewear sp I can fuse it to make some Sanrio fusion

[upper echo]

I want fluffy

Also plush fusions

[bleak turret]

Wtf is this thing across from me

[upper echo]

You shouldn't be talking with your muxure tbh

[sturdy breach]

Some of my favourites are in there like Salazzle and Lurantis. The starters were overall very good. The legends were great design wise even though they have the unneeded pre-evos. Regional bird is cool, Araquanid is cool. Alolan forms were great

[raw bison]

Gen 3 does get a lot of nostalgia points because I think it was the biggest step forward since the start of the games until the transition to 3D - it really is where Pokemon hit it's stride. Abilities, natures...a LOT of staples came in. And upgrading the color palette available to sprites from 4 colors ( i n c l u d i n g black and white!) made such a visual difference. Gen 3 was a huge leap forward

[bleak turret]

Muxorus is cool

[clever atlas]

I gotta agree with Nep
Gen 7 had some great design
There were blunders, surecough cough craboninable cough cough but overall pretty great

[upper echo]

Gen 7 designs be hit or miss for me

[sturdy breach]

I think every gen has very low lows tbf

[bleak turret]

gen 7 all sucked except ultra beasts

[raw bison]

The introduction of the Regional Forms really carried gen 7 - Alolan Marowak, my beloved son

[upper echo]

I liked the regional bird tho

[bleak turret]

The forms were cool too, just all original gen 7

[upper echo]

Why they made the signature move negative priority

[raw bison]

I adored pikipek. Trumbeak and Toucannon weren't what I was expecting but I do love me some toucans

[upper echo]

I don't like trum but I do like toucannon

[bleak turret]

another flying normal type

[raw bison]

He's a cute grumpy old man with just such a colorful beak! Love me color block gradients

[upper echo]

-3 priority for a base 100 move

[bleak turret]

GameFreak need to stopy coppying the same typings. Normal rat, fire/fight starter, normal bird

[raw bison]

presumably the negative priority was so you could set up for the burn effect, which is a reference to a real thing toucans can do IIRC, but it was definitely a case of concept getting in the way of gameplay

[upper echo]

Hey at least they stopped in gen 8
Which we aren't getting

[sturdy breach]

The Fire/Fight starter things is such bs. They did it a couple of gens in a row and Gen7 had Fire/Dark

[upper echo]

It's only for contact

[sturdy breach]

But everyone was on the 'why so many fire/fighting starters' hate train

[upper echo]

[raw bison]

Fire/Fighting is honestly a cool type combo but they did it three times in a row so everyone was worried it was all we were gonna get

[upper echo]

I mean after the 3rd time in a row

[trail hull]

Now they moved to please don’t stand on two leg

[bleak turret]

GargNacl or howerver its spelt is one of my faves of all time

[upper echo]

I like the worm in gen 9

[winged garnet]

Cinderace would've 100% been Fire Fighting if they didn't stick with mono typing

[white meadow]

meh i honestly don't care about starter typing, i just want them designed good

[sturdy breach]

There have been just as much pure fire starters now

[cold fog]

This. If we still had 3 Fire/Fighting, but in gens 2, 5 and 8, it wouldn't be talked as much.

[raw bison]

It fits for a lot of starter archetype mons because of the synergy between energetic fire types and athletic pursuits, but people want some degree of variety

[bleak turret]

gen 7 and 8 were esentially fire/fighting in disguise

[upper echo]

The difference is it isn't in a row

[winged garnet]

But also, I don't think mono type starters is a good idea. I think they should all be dual type. Also, bullshit how Sceptile, Blastoise, and Serviper are mono type while the other starters were dual

[white meadow]

but eh i usually just box the starter instantly the moment i gain the ability to catch pokemon

[bleak turret]

he's kinda boring on his own. Would make cool fusions tho.

[upper echo]

There were many years difference

[upper echo]

Earth eater alone with body press makes me like him

[bleak turret]

Hot take: I will never use or like a single typing pokemon

[white meadow]

same, pure types are so lame

[upper echo]

Mono water and steel kinda nice tho

[winged garnet]

One of the only exceptions for me are Tauros, as he's my 5th favorite mon

[bleak turret]

hes fun in gameplay, just kinda boring looking

[upper echo]

He's a silly little guy

No braincells what so ever

[bleak turret]

Infinite fuion is fun cuz I get to use some of the single types I normally hate

[sturdy breach]

I really don't get single type hate

[white meadow]

why get only one stab when you can get 2

[bleak turret]

I am fighting a Darkrai/Sunkern... Who tf made a sprite for that lol

[upper echo]

You could be gyarados

[raw bison]

Yeah the in a row part you have to remember in context that we learned about them as they were coming out, years apart. Infernape came out a few years later and it was a coincidence, like "okay yeah I see how that fits, bit weird to do it right after blaziken but I get it" and then a few years later Emboar is revealed and everyone goes "wait now hold up, are you ever gonna do anything else?" and it was such a stressor that the community literally bonded over that and it's been embedded in the culture

[upper echo]

Gyarados and no good flying stab

[bleak turret]

Does zygarde count as 4 slots?

[white meadow]

doubt

[trail hull]

No just 1

[sturdy breach]

Ah yes, why take a single type dragon pokemon if you can make it worse by slapping the ice type on it.

[white meadow]

the dog form is hardly useful and the complete one might just be another aegislash situation

[bleak turret]

I feel like it could get all the votes and would be ignored cuz its gotta be difficult to code

[turbid wind]

oh cool we got le dinosaur

[winged garnet]

Cool fusions?

[white meadow]

hey ice stab is good

[clever atlas]

Friendly reminder to vote for these good bois!
Here's some reasons why you should:

• they're good bois
• we need more speedy rock types
• we don't yet have a proper wolf pokemon
• A great mix of cute and cool
• Lycanroc has 3 forms ||two are almost the same but shhh|| (that means more options for spriters)
• a lot of possible cool fusions

[sturdy breach]

Sure offensively it's good, it is a bad type to have defensively

[hushed mantle]

Good night people and remember to vote for hooper

[white meadow]

i mean you can still make sprites with alternate forms without taking more than 1 slot

[upper echo]

Water types do fine without the stab

[turbid wind]

Ice is good but you don't need STAB on it

[upper echo]

It's like body press
Stab would be nice but it isn't required

[raw bison]

Gotta remember gen 3 to 6 spanned ten years - Ruby and Sapphire released in 2002, and X/Y came out 2013 - for ten years, all new fire starters got a fighting type. People were annoyed, and that feeling hasn't gone away

[sturdy breach]

STAB is nice to have, but very overrated. When half the moves you use in battles are for coverage purposes that aren't stab

[turbid wind]

STAB is good only for a dedicated sweeper, but otherwise eh

[upper echo]

I wouldn't say that

[turbid wind]

that said i'd love a sick ass ice dragon

[bleak turret]

stab is like a choice item, u need that damage

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/phantump-pokemon-pokepuff-eating-yummy-gif-21747871

[white meadow]

hey if they actually made a fast sweeping ice type it would be good

[marble meadow]

I just want more dark and ghost types

[upper echo]

I mean they made one
Then decided to make slow and defensive ones

[bleak turret]

Cien pao, kyrem

[hushed mantle]

Weavile, chien pao and g-darmanitan:

[upper echo]

The ice dragon is not fast

[white meadow]

they should do more of these

[turbid wind]

fair, I guess there are also pokemon that feel like they should be a certain type even if STAB isn't that needed, like Luxray and Dark Type

[sturdy breach]

Slush Rush Beartic could sweep in hail/snow 🙂

[upper echo]

But we have 1 avaliable

[white meadow]

they should totally make a move that guarantees freezing if used by an ice type 👍

[upper echo]

Tbh I'd rather use galarian sandslash

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/palossand-sandygast-alola-anime-pokemon-gif-4748817582716906081

[clever atlas]

No
Luxray has no reason to be Dark type

[upper echo]

Ice type spore but more evil

[sturdy breach]

With the frostbite mechanic I would 100% agree, actual freeze HELL NO

[bleak turret]

Luxray not being a dark type is a crime against humanity

[marble meadow]

one word sandcastle fusion

[upper echo]

Spore alone can prevent parasect from being useless

[white meadow]

it would be so funny tho

[upper echo]

They made a item because of how evil it was

[turbid wind]

Blud has a sinister design and looks like a hunter, a lot of dark moves and coverage too

[bleak turret]

The amount of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx attacks im getting in this randomizer

[sturdy breach]

It would be so toxic an volatile

[upper echo]

You gotta remember they made safety goggles because of spore
They don't need to make a anti freeze one too

[clever atlas]

So Black fur inherently means dark type, eh?

[upper echo]

Not just the black fur tbh

[white meadow]

i mean look at regional zigzagoon and rattata

[turbid wind]

In this specific case, the way it looks like spikes then yes

[clever atlas]

Luxray is mainly a Lynx, and Lynx naturally are hunters

[upper echo]

It's pokedex entries just talk about its eyes tbh

[bleak turret]

Half of his learnset is dark type, and he looks like he would be used by team plasma

[upper echo]

All imma say is its intimidating

[turbid wind]

respect u for thinking otherwise tho

[white meadow]

Luxray has no reason to be dark type he only has black and spiky hair
Its whole theme has nothing to do with dark

[clever atlas]

Lynx Hunt at night, so obviously they have dark type moves

[clever atlas]

Finally someone gets it

[upper echo]

It still has more reasons then shiftry

[bleak turret]

hunts at night = dark type ass well....

[white meadow]

Its a Lynx with Stars (no dark thing) and Xray vision (no dark thing)

[turbid wind]

Dark type moves and hunter aesthetic?

[turbid wind]

hmm i mean if he can see in the dark does that count as dark

[white meadow]

Decidueye is a hunter too
Pyroar hunts
Sylveon is a Apex Predator

[upper echo]

Shiftry the guardian is a dark type so

[plain kite]

I think if Gamefreak had made Luxray Electric/Dark type from the start people probably wouldn’t really be saying that it shouldn’t be dark type

[white meadow]

He defeats the darkness and you say that makes him dark

[bleak turret]

if gengar can be poison type, luxray can be dark

[sturdy breach]

Shiftry is Dark type because it's based off of a demon

[turbid wind]

i dont think being well suited for hunting within the dark = defeating darkness

[white meadow]

Actually no

[clever atlas]

Well lemme introduce persian
Mostly the same thing, but not a single soul on this planet would make it a dark type

[turbid wind]

alolan persian lol

[white meadow]

But it dont make you a dark type
There are a good amount of other mon that hunt/live in the dark and arent dark type

[sturdy breach]

So yeah, Shiftry has more cause to be a dark type than Luxray does

[bleak turret]

they literally painted him black and did 💀 u say luxray's color doesn't make him dark at all

[turbid wind]

but they don't have luxray's coverage moves

[white meadow]

Dark is a super spreaded type coverage in Pokemon

[upper echo]

That's it tbh
All its dex entries talk about it being a guardian or wind

[clever atlas]

Well lucario's Blue and it ain't a water type
I have a green shirt rn and I'm not a Grass type

[turbid wind]

checking the dark type list most of them are either dark or dark blue

[sturdy breach]

Yeah, tengu (what Shiftry is) are kidnappers and portents of war (the same reason Absol is a dark type). So it makes sense that Shiftry is a dark type. (even if Tengu are also protectors of the forest)

[white meadow]

Also personality of Pokemon are a big thing often for darktypes
Evil, sinister, mysterious or mystsivious (idk the spelling)
None of these fit to a Proud and Professional Luxray

[bleak turret]

U say nobody would make persian a dark type, but painting him black did... soo

[sturdy breach]

It's personality change made it fit the dark type.

[turbid wind]

half his moveset dark

[upper echo]

Just because it's based on something doesn't mean it is
Like nine tales is based on a kitsune
Which is a ghoul/demon

[clever atlas]

You ignorants are not worth arguing with, it clearly leads to nowhere

[turbid wind]

okay no need to call us ignorants

[white meadow]

Wow there are enough Pokemon with movesets that have a lot of diffrent moves in
So is half the rock types a ground mon?

[white meadow]

But most of the time thats the case

[sturdy breach]

Ninetales could have technically been a dark type, even through it's dex entries iirc, but they probably didn't cause of Arcanine. Alolan Ninetales does reference it by becoming Fairy type (which is NOT a 'good' type)

[white meadow]

To be fair atleast come up with new arguments

[upper echo]

Shiftree should've been flying tbh

[white meadow]

let's just agree that they have no fixed criteria to give typings and that sometimes they just roll a dice

[sturdy breach]

True, but Dark does fit it's origins

[turbid wind]

alright i gotta nap, ill just say it'd be pretty cool if he were a dark type, being electric only and also a PHYSICAL ATTACKER hurts. Balance wise adding dark stab and it's resistances would give Luxray a decent buff

[mystic crystal]

I'm in the Luxray should be dark camp; I think it looks the part being mostly dark colours, it's movepool is basically just electric or dark moves, it's dex entries portray it in a more sinister light, it's main abilities are Intimidate and Rivalry (both feel pretty classicaly "dark" to me) and it's the X-Ray pokémon known for seeing through rocks and materials to stalk it's prey. If a mon like Alolan Persian can be dark type so can Luxray imo

[turbid wind]

i don't think that's fair = ignorants but sure

[white meadow]

Yeah i didnt mean its right to call you ignorants

[upper echo]

Both sides weren't coming up with new reasonings

[sturdy breach]

I mean Alolan Persian: "It looks down on everyone other than itself. Its preferred tactics are sucker punches and blindside attacks."

"In contrast to its lovely face, it’s so brutal that it tortures its weakened prey rather than finishing them off."

[turbid wind]

its aight lets just hug a snorlax plush

[mystic crystal]

I feel like there's only so many points you can have in this debate though lol

[upper echo]

Fearow is my favourite dark type candidate

[white meadow]

But I could recomend Logstins Video about Luxray you can check out

[sturdy breach]

Alolan Persian is straight up evil

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[patent egret]

Hey so out of curiosity, when they say 20 mons will be added, does that mean evolution lines count as 1, or 2-3?

[sturdy breach]

Every pokemon in a line is a slot

So between Sableye and Tyrantrum line we have 3 slots filled out of 20

[patent egret]

Don't forget the Scoliopede line too, so 6 out of 20.

[white meadow]

Scolipede was extra

[sturdy breach]

Nope, Scolipede line was extra (staff pick)

[patent egret]

Ahhhh

[sturdy breach]

so TECHNICALLY 6 out of 23

[upper echo]

At least 1 weather setter better have made it in

[patent egret]

Well, out of the ones that Haven't been added so far I definitely think Cresselia, the Lake Trio and Abomasnow would be amazing

I think a Darkrai/Cresselia fusion would be absolutely cool af

[sturdy breach]

I don't think you will be popular here promoting the lake trio though 🙂

[white meadow]

Cresselia is pretty possible since its a Counterpart

[upper echo]

Cresselia is very possible

[patent egret]

Each to their own. I will admit I have a heavy bias because I started my journey back in Diamond/Pearl :p

[upper echo]

Missing counterparts do pretty decently

[sturdy breach]

The main reason being that you use 3 slots for basically 3 times the same pokmeon

[patent egret]

I think the Lake Trio would be cool because we already have the creation trio and Arceus, and the lake trio ties directly in with all of them

[mystic crystal]

The lake trio are problematic because like latias/latios; their bodies are all basically the same... which makes it harder to seperate fusions with them

[white meadow]

Lake trio is pretty bottom tier for most since they are too similiar to each other
And abomasnow has quiet some "rivals" that people prever
Snorunt
Amaura
Bergmite
Etc

plus we already have mew

[mystic crystal]

like don't get me wrong I like them in a vaccuum, but for IF i'm not sure how good they are

[upper echo]

Abomasnow got weather so it'll do fine

[patent egret]

Yeah that does make sense

[upper echo]

Any weather setter automatically gets brownie points

[patent egret]

Do y'all think Darkrai/Cresselia fusions would come out to look cool/be good if she gets through?

[white meadow]

Same does Aurorus

[white meadow]

If I remember right

[sturdy breach]

Yeah, as a HA

[mystic crystal]

The three hail setters are Abamasnow; Vanilluxe and Aurorus (HA) (I believe)

[upper echo]

Aurorus is a pokemon of all time
And if you mention it you gotta mention the ice cream

[sturdy breach]

Aurorus also brings Refrigerate which is cool

[upper echo]

Only aurorus requires ha

[raw bison]

Refrigerate is e x t r e m e l y cool

[white meadow]

Or that ice move thats super effective against water types

freeze dry

[upper echo]

Freeze dry exists so whatever

85% of ice types learn freeze dry

[white meadow]

Really? I never saw it in IF

What mon can learn it in IF

[sturdy breach]

Articuno should be able to I think

[white meadow]

Okay thats 1

and that's it

[sturdy breach]

the others that learn it naturally aren't in the game

[upper echo]

Glaceon

[sturdy breach]

Cause the others are: Glalie, Vanilluxe, Cryogonal, and Aurorus

[patent egret]

What do y'all think about Meloetta and/or Victini? Both pretty cool mons and only one slot each.

[white meadow]

well you could also get it as an egg move for lapras and swinub

Kyurem gen 8
Glaceon gen 8
Articuno lvl 43
Can learn it

[upper echo]

But the mons to breed to get it are well

[white meadow]

glaceon doesn't learn it in gen 7

I checked here

[sturdy breach]

Neither should Kyurem in gen7

I think PIF using gen7 movesets

[white meadow]

True i didnt look right woops

[white meadow]

And yes the names are german here

[sturdy breach]

So there's only Articuno and the mons that aren't in the game that learn it naturally

[white meadow]

Thats another reason for Aurorus

[sturdy breach]

and lapras/Swinub/Delibird through breeding

But nothing to breed it unto them with

[upper echo]

Freeze dry is a gen 6 move so by gen 7 it's distribution is limited

[sturdy breach]

I had hoped that by now they would have made Ice super effective against water to begin with (and have ice resist water)

[lusty oxide]

Hey I’m back! shiny sound

[upper echo]

They don't like changing types at all outside of when a new one is added

[white meadow]

Actually I think Aurorus is the most possible Ice type atm for many
Counterpart bonus

• Good Moves
• 2 Abilitys we could use well
• beautifull designg

[sturdy breach]

This though

[upper echo]

A lot of voting was done by the time the Dino was announced so idk

[sturdy breach]

While the abilities aren't there, it does give 2 fully evolved ice types for 3 slots (and 1 brings Freeze Dry as well)

[white meadow]

Ngl Imagine Snorunt line gets in and you have a Aurorus fusion as hail setter and a Froslass as snow cloaker

[sturdy breach]

my 20 tiles speak for themselves 🙂

[upper echo]

I'd rather have any of the other hail setters (why weren't they added earlier)

I am biased towards Ice cream tho

[white meadow]

I wouldnt mind yours since even tho ours are kinda diffrent both only have cool mons to fuse

[mystic crystal]

I have a similar list; having both the snorunt and aurorus lines would be swell

[white meadow]

that last slot ☠️

[white meadow]

Is there a way to make the green background on a phone?

[raw bison]

Ngly I specifically went and updated Aurorus since Tyrantrum got confirmed - I already liked it a lot but if we can't have both of the best dinos together I'll be sadge

[lusty oxide]

I feel like arourus would be good to get refrigrate (why doesn’t rotom-fridge get it too)

[sturdy breach]

I should put checkmarks or something. Also the distinct lack of Goodra on both of these makes me sad 😦

[upper echo]

The wheel be famous

[white meadow]

because every form totally needs levitate, even rotom fan!

[white meadow]

I dont mind Goodra tho

[mystic crystal]

I don't know; i just put a green square behind the mons, wasn't a fancy automatic thing or anything

[upper echo]

It's not a mon I'd mind being added but not one I want

[lusty oxide]

Tbh it would be cool if all the rotom forms got a type conversion ability

[sturdy breach]

Which is sadly how I think most people view Goodra >.<

[upper echo]

I'd rather get altaria or druddigon for dragons or the other slug for slugs

[white meadow]

hey at least your pokemon gets considered unlike masquerain

[upper echo]

You could be a relicanth fan

[raw bison]

or the literally like one person who voted for the monkies

[upper echo]

The poor monkey fan

Hey at least the monkeys can learn cut

[lusty oxide]

I like the monkeys but 6 slot is too much

[upper echo]

The only part I remember about them was using them to use cut in to get the moon mon then getting another cut mon

[raw bison]

it was a cute idea but it didn't land and I honestly don't think they're a good fit for the game, especially for six slots

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokememes-frikoid-pansear-tadaa-gif-1253049133799846732

[upper echo]

The only thing I'd do is make a btd themed fusion

[lusty oxide]

He’s trying to show me something but there is nothing for him to show to me

[upper echo]

I wonder if them or the hand monkeys got lower

[white meadow]

He shows you the reasons to vote them for IF

[white meadow]

Hand Monkeys?

[lusty oxide]

You mean the ape duo?

[upper echo]

The one with hand tails

[lusty oxide]

Oh aipom

[white meadow]

I mean a Orangutan and a Ring Tailed Lemur would have been cool

[upper echo]

Yeah who'd get lower

[white meadow]

The Hand Monkeys are in

• they would get higher

[upper echo]

They are?

[white meadow]

Yes cuz Aipom is gen 2

[upper echo]

I forget they are gen 2

[agile olive]

I've made several of those too 😛 surprisingly fun

[lusty oxide]

You know I wonder why there Is no spider monkey Pokémon yet it’s a good animal to base a normal bug type off

[white meadow]

Ngl that gen 7 Lemur isnt such a bad pick
Sport fusions and cool Monkey bodys
Hypno head could make a Proboscus Monkey

[upper echo]

It'd be hard to make? I dunno

[lusty oxide]

Just make the name literal

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/passimian-alola-pokemon-sun-moon-gif-7435971

[upper echo]

Yes but make a monkey into a insect thing

[white meadow]

Looking at it again I actually kinda like the thought of him being in

[lusty oxide]

Huh I thought he didn’t have a tail

[white meadow]

Only found one fusion tho

[upper echo]

Fuse it with the spider to make RAHHH

[white meadow]

That would be hilarious

[lusty oxide]

Venom is balling

[upper echo]

The ball related fusions would be cool

[white meadow]

I think I up vote Passimian and Orangurz
They arent soo bad
Or idk about Oranguru but Passimian isnt bad

[upper echo]

Rotom + passimian = those automatic ball shooters

[white meadow]

Yes

[upper echo]

Idc about orangaru

[upper echo]

I dunno fuse it with politoad to make a naruto reference

[lusty oxide]

This is fan-tastic

[upper echo]

Beartic + raikou would be sick

[white meadow]

Passimian/Lopunny is the gen 8 fire starter

[cyan hare]

So im guessing tyrunt lije got an overwhelming amount of votes?

[upper echo]

We don't know which placing it got

[cyan hare]

Hmmm yea bc I didnt know it was THIS popular

[upper echo]

But it's unlikely that the other fossil got in as they would've gotten announced together

[cyan hare]

Yea

[white meadow]

I mean its based on the most popular dinosaur of all time

[sturdy breach]

Popularity + discussion amongst whoever decides I'm guessin

[upper echo]

Dhelmise has a high chance then