pif-hoenn-discussion

[short garden]

yeah tbh i dont really care about how similar bui and float are, i want them both

[viscid mica]

i just want exploud because i prefer it over meloetta

[upper echo]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-croagunk-king-throne-gif-16367260035413576996

[grave jolt]

Y'all just hate goodra 😔

[viscid mica]

correct worst psuedo fr
well my opinion changed after bax but imma ignore that for a sec

[upper echo]

we don't hate it
we just prefer other mons
like mons I can use before the 8th gym

[sharp sphinx]

well not a fan no, dont like the not really dragonny dragon types

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/come-backer-hose-drink-bad-chair-explode-fall-off-gif-16787874

[polar shoal]

goodra is ok

[paper pasture]

Omg Dan the riamond minecart

[paper shuttle]

Goodra is adorable
Dragons don't have to look edgy to be good

[upper echo]

just salty it got in pokken before grumpig 🦹

[polar shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-pokemon-gif-25288982

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/shakey-shake-goodra-wooo-gif-20060162

[paper pasture]

Why is it giving me those eyes

[upper echo]

true but I like every other dragon more

[polar shoal]

i used to be the redstone minecart but i evolved

[short garden]

tbh i think goodra is all but confirmed now

-pseudo legendary
-i now know that people joined the server just to vote and leave
-those votes will not have seen this channel and just thought "heehoo pseudolegendary"

same with necrozma sadly and almost all of the UBs

[upper echo]

people are acting like altaria doesn't exist

[paper pasture]

Druddigon😍

[viscid mica]

they dont have to be but goodra looks like me after the 14th bottle.

[upper echo]

🤝

[polar shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1023412482510950421/1031027677420847216/cyber_dawn_spin.gif

[short garden]

of?

[white meadow]

Yes.

[upper echo]

ngl it's like the only tsuedo legendary that doesn't get as big as a boost from it
it just ain't a fan favourite

[viscid mica]

context clues use them

[polar shoal]

they spin

[short garden]

i would beg to differ about "fan favorite"

[sharp sphinx]

correct, noibats good for example flygon and co for example, but goodra hardly feels dragony

[thin willow]

Reminder of why golisopod should be in.
1: Badass design. Powerful monster look
2: Amazing typing and coverage
3: Extremly versatile
4: Amazing fusion potential
5: Overall 10/10
6: A chance to use it without its crippling ability
7: Almost won worlds back in gen 8
8: Guzmas Golisopod was an absolute menace in the anime
9: Its a samurai. Wears armor. Wears the bodies of its victims
10: Scolopede and Necrozma are in alliances with us and are great mons to fuse with
11: Badass Anime references

[paper pasture]

The pseudos are also mostly in yeah, it's just kommo and goodra

[upper echo]

people like noibat more then it tbh

[polar shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-pokemon-gif-23942875 still want floatzel in

[short garden]

if you don't wanna discuss with us, then don't try and change our opinions
/not aggressive

[grave jolt]

Galisopod is just white Necrozma in most fusions I've seen tbh (not hostile)

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

[paper pasture]

Didn't guzmas goli screw over scizor in the anime

[short garden]

i bet that a lot of the pop-in pop-out voters are underage for discord and thats why they didnt stay

[upper echo]

🦹 so that means cherrim is better since it actually won worlds

[viscid mica]

i like stunfisk more than i do goodra lmao

[white meadow]

People post propaganda all the time. Not sure why this is different.

[stable vapor]

Wait I remember seeing that lol

[paper pasture]

Cresselia being in basically every vgc tournament

[short garden]

wait grumpig was in pokken? never played that game

i usually try and find funny videos to "refute" an image, no hard feelings

[polar shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/floatzel-pokemon-water-punch-gif-19145821

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-floatzel-pokemon-what-the-hell-not-cute-gif-24412360

[upper echo]

same with gastradon tbh

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu keeps winning boys!

[paper pasture]

True gastrodon goes hard

[white meadow]

That is concerning.

[polar shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-pokémon-buizel-sonicboom-pokémon-sonicboom-buizel-uses-sonicboom-gif-26269102

[stable vapor]

Agreed

Gastrodon also looks like it has absolutely 0 thoughts in its head and I love that about it

[short garden]

tbh if we don't have a vote with just actual server members and not those that just pop in and pop out, then we will probably get an update consisting near-entirely of UBs and legendaries

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/body-slam-gastrodon-pokemon-gif-13030822

no he go squishy

[polar shoal]

huggbees thumbnail?

[white meadow]

The subreddit had some good choices, last I checked it. Those posting, anyway.

[paper pasture]

Omg I love that gif

[grave jolt]

iirc there's the secret vote so I hope that influences things

[upper echo]

I just like it when pokemon are available before the 8th gym
so I just exclude all legendaries from a 3

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/whismur-pokemon-hoenn-gif-7400593

[paper pasture]

Spriters and staff know what's up except when they disagree with me

[paper shuttle]

Anyways vote Grumpig

[viscid mica]

secret vote is spriters only so hopefully it has a larger voice then the public vote

[short garden]

yes, i truly do hope it helps

it might not bc all the dang necrozma party members are blue names

[polar shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/buizel-pokémon-buizel-water-gun-pokémon-water-gun-hydro-pump-gif-26261176

[upper echo]

more early-mid game variety is better

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/glutton-gluttony-grumpig-spoink-pig-gif-27399447

[paper pasture]

Me waiting on my spriter application so I can secret vote

[white meadow]

Poor spoinks.

[viscid mica]

the ngs party is the best party rn idk why youre mad that an unpopular pokemon isnt getting votes like you didnt expect it

[grave jolt]

tbh we need more ocean variety.

That's why I like Walrein

[short garden]

thats my whole reason for voting stuff like purugly, floatzel, grumpig, etc. we already have enough stuff for the end-game, we need more middle-tier mons to be helped out

[stable vapor]

I want to hold him like burger

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-22687418

[viscid mica]

middle tier because theyre all mid asf

[upper echo]

I voted for mostly weather setters since weather teams are fun

[stable vapor]

Wait so like

[short garden]

1. idk what you mean by best
   if you mean "most popular" then yes

2. i believe that necrozma needs its own story to be done justice, it can't be shoved in as a side character or else it will lose all its nuance which already seems to be happening

[polar shoal]

wait do we have any buizel fusions?

[sharp sphinx]

how bout weather benefitters like excadrill?

[upper echo]

and then some other fun mons like spore mons and personal favourites

[stable vapor]

Where do we go to vote???

[paper pasture]

Oh yeah weather teams could be really great cuz you can use so many of the weather based abilities except snow warning

[short garden]

real ones remember when slowmode timer was 30 seconds 💯💯💯

[sharp sphinx]

announcements

[white meadow]

I like Golisopod and Wimpod, so I vote for them. I think they have massive potential sprite and gameplay-wise, and I'm attached to the pokemon specifically.

[stable vapor]

Aight thx

[upper echo]

every rock steel and ground type benefits from it so that was secondary but yeah I did vote for it

[white meadow]

Oh, it's 15 seconds now. I didn't even realize.

[grave jolt]

I mean, if we really want early game pokemon the elemental monkies are the obv choice since we'd have them in veridian forest. (JOKE)

[sharp sphinx]

abilities though

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-grumpig-grumpy-pig-pokemon-gif-27399442

gn chat. i am the tired sleepy. i will return soon whenever i guess

just gotta tie up some loose ends

[paper pasture]

Rock types straight up getting a no strings attached assault vest in sand

[viscid mica]

best as in all of the pokemon theyre rooting for is actually usable both in terms of gameplay and spriters. unlike all those "middle tier" (uninteresting/basic designed pokemon) that you want in so badly

[upper echo]

^

[polar shoal]

we still have 19 choices!

[viscid mica]

that necrozma take is valid though.

[stable vapor]

Wait where in announcements

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-several-people-are-typing-gif-15407184

[sharp sphinx]

the one that announces voting with flashing red lights

[grave jolt]

Necrozma as a gift pokemon like pykumuku

[paper pasture]

It's like one of the only pinged announcements, just scroll up until you see yellow

[white meadow]

I'll grab the link.

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/tropius-pokemon-gif-27432751

[white meadow]

Voting announcement's here: #announcements message

[short garden]

i mean stuff like archeops which has a crippling ability or something like purugly/grumpig where it is ok in terms of power but could be so much better with a different type added or better stats on top of making worse pokemon better with new typings and better stats

or there's the small group going around who wants to add defeatist onto anything and everything

[paper pasture]

Tropius is cool, I do find it funny though how it evolved to both have a long neck and fly. Like you don't need both

[white meadow]

I'm not too good with discord myself, so I understand having trouble finding things like that.

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-gothamites-prehistoric-planet-gotham-club-penguin-gif-26394547

long neck. flies.

this is a tropius

[polar shoal]

i think a clawitzer/floatzel fusion would be cool

[upper echo]

clawitzer would be peak

[paper pasture]

Glorious

[white meadow]

Heard Clawitzer, posting Golisopod/Clawitzer fusion.

[sharp sphinx]

mega launcher +origin pulse, dark pulse, aura sphere with stab

[upper echo]

the dark and aura sphere would be good

[sharp sphinx]

and dragon pulse

[short garden]

oh my god i remember there was a guy a few days ago who was told about mega launcher and said "megas aren't in the game genius" or smth like that

it was this whole thing

[upper echo]

dragon pulse too

[paper pasture]

Mega sprites definitely are in the least

[sharp sphinx]

tbf they prob were thinking about mega blastoise

[zenith relic]

Water Pulse count?

[upper echo]

yes

[sharp sphinx]

yes but it does that already and lower power
heal pulse too

[viscid mica]

archeops is valid, purugly should stay away from this game since we already have cat pokemon (persian, raikou) grumpig is straight up a mid pokemon, it's design is weird, and even right now i cant think of a single fusion with him where it looks good. and we dont have a shortage of psychic types, we dont need thick fat, own tempo, or gluttony, it just adds absolute zero to the game, its a slot waster.

[short garden]

no, the whole argument started over salazzle i think

they tried to jump on another user for wanting salazzle

[paper pasture]

But 30% it's also a confuse ray, how economical

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ditto-game-screen-nintendo-8bit-gif-5679561

the voting right now

[paper pasture]

That's a high effort shitpost

[upper echo]

thick fat is a actually good ability tbh

[viscid mica]

a good ability that is already readily available

[sharp sphinx]

which you can get from walrein or snorlax

[white meadow]

Time for me to be a responsible adult and log off... before I wake up late and my professor grabs the funnel.

[upper echo]

more type options for a ability is good

[sharp sphinx]

its not more type options snorlax has it

[upper echo]

most thick fats mons are normal or water

[viscid mica]

then at that point the argument loses all meaning since every pokemon has an ability, should we add like 8 pokemon just to have intimidate in more flavors?

[white meadow]

If I don't come back tomorrow, tell my Wimpod I love them.

[short garden]

archeops Good opinion

the other two I think you need to reconsider what led you to this point because grumpig is adorable and purugly has so much personality that it allows for more artistic expression in spriting than we have with any other cat

[sharp sphinx]

we'll tell it you wimped out 😛

[paper pasture]

Thick fat on articuno sounds swag, though I guess whatever it fuses with would mitigate one of those weaknesses anyways

[short garden]

either that, or we say they just had to make an emergency exit.

[upper echo]

intimidate isn't a ability which is type reliant

[paper pasture]

I forgor ice resists ice

[sharp sphinx]

thats all ice resists

[viscid mica]

i just dont like purugly so thats subjective, i provided why i didnt want grumpig in, if all you got from that is "but grumpig is adorable" then ill give up since i dont think you care.

[upper echo]

like thick fat

[paper pasture]

I know it's one thing

[short garden]

i clearly do care, but i tend to put fusion art first, as that is a very large draw of the game on top of stats

[upper echo]

tbh I'd rather have some mid ass pokemon then a legendary which isn't available until after the gyms are done

[sharp sphinx]

idc about any of that I'm here for the art, ntm randomizers exist (not saying you should use one, just speaking for me)

[viscid mica]

better designs then grumpig on the options. but thats subjective, so meh.

[paper pasture]

I feel like it's rough to argue these things because we could look at stats and moves and stuff, but it's not like there's a competitive IF fusion scene and there's no scarcity of options so fusion potential and looks is what it comes down to and that's simply subjective

[upper echo]

damn I hate the monkeys but man I'd rather have them over any legendary or ultra beast so I could actually use them before most of the game is gone

[short garden]

mhm. necrozma just requires so much lore and setup that it would be wasted no matter whether they added now or later

it needs to be the central focus of the entire story

this story was not built for necrozma / the UBs and thus cannot do them justice

[paper pasture]

No one is "right"

[zenith relic]

Purugly got the potential for fusions

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/musashi-bunyatto-hide-fasten-belly-gif-25745828

[zenith relic]

I just think she okay imo, but not enough to be my favorite

[upper echo]

tbh how would you add a ultra beast without necrozma

[grave jolt]

Monkeys are 6 slots, I feel the spite isn't worth it.

[paper pasture]

Play sun and moon

Actually you can get necrozma there too I suppose

[zenith relic]

Yeah that's why I don't want to vote for the Monkeys, even I tho have a Semisear in Y

[upper echo]

we don't really have a way to open them here

[paper pasture]

I would be insufferable if for some reason the mods were like "actually all the monkeys count as 1 slot"

[viscid mica]

which is why we're having these political debates, if the actual gameplay mattered that much then thered be no point in these politics, just vote the best ones. arguing about subjective things is tiring so i think ill just stick to promoting froslass instead of trying to stop people from wasting slots so at least when the vote ends the angry people that failed at getting their unpopular choice in wont get irrationally angry to me.

[upper echo]

yeah and so are the sun and moon legendaries but at least I'd be able to use them before the post game

[short garden]

what i am saying is that the UBs and necrozma are very good pokemon, they just can't fit into such a packed game without losing almost all nuance

they are already turning necrozma into a generic armormon like an edgier aegislash instead of focusing on its interesting aspects

[upper echo]

damn I didn't use enough words in my last sentence

[zenith relic]

Dhelmise have the better looks of Fusions
He the pirate cousin of Angislash

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/musharna-pokemon-gif-24352479

alright good night chat

see you soon i guess

[paper pasture]

Based and sea-faring lad pilled

[upper echo]

he'd be pretty cool

[viscid mica]

armormons are cool i dont see the problem personally, but maybe thats just because im more pf a visual person then a nuance person

[paper pasture]

Musharna and munna are so cute

[zenith relic]

Imagine the cool pirate fusions

[grave jolt]

I say Necrozma alone is good.

[short garden]

i own munna and a musharna plush

[paper pasture]

I should get one, I'm jealous

[short garden]

i want them in half for their ridiculous fusion potential and half for sentimental value

[upper echo]

dhelmise + wailord would be pretty cool
it could be a pirate ship (or the whale from one piece)

[short garden]

there be treasure!

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-musharna-pokemon-black-and-white-gif-27547204

[upper echo]

but I'm biased towards it

[thin willow]

see i would discuss it further if i wasnt busy doing stuff too, closing a store and what not

[short garden]

the eepy sleepy

[zenith relic]

Mhmm

[thin willow]

so forgive me i bit busy lol

[short garden]

i have a bad case of the tired sleepy

[zenith relic]

Beartic too have the potenial fusions, same with Toxapex

[paper pasture]

Sleep well don't let musharna eat your dreams, or do I don't really remember mine

[viscid mica]

physical slow ice types agony

[paper pasture]

I love beartic so much but it feels like cold ursaring

[upper echo]

yes add the ice cream mon instead

[zenith relic]

Double bear fusion

[thin willow]

goli is just a personal favorite of mine, and i feel the 11 points i usually post suffices my discussing reasons enough. without being overbearing, so do forgive me

[stable vapor]

Me personally, I find Beartic to be a bit bland, but that's just me

[upper echo]

it sets weather (where is our snow/hail setter genuinely)

[viscid mica]

look at my name and tell me wether or not i want vanilish.

[upper echo]

you do not

[paper pasture]

Beartic has both swift swim and slush rush I think so he's a versatile weather guy

[zenith relic]

Here a less bland Pokemon

[viscid mica]

i do actually

[upper echo]

I just say add all the weather setters it'd help a lot in making weathers easier to use

[paper pasture]

Sorry I like corsola

[viscid mica]

abomasnow > beartic

[upper echo]

I agree since you can never have too many weather setters

[zenith relic]

Corsola hippies

[stable vapor]

Ik that a lot of people really hate Toxapex, but I have my biases after using one on a montype water team

[upper echo]

it's pretty decent

[zenith relic]

I don't see that much hate of Toxapex, I seen some wanted her in]

[upper echo]

I'd rather have wishiwashi so I could see what they could possibly do with it

[viscid mica]

im pretty nuetral on toxapex, its just a pretty basic design so ion think adding it is worth it

[sudden goblet]

I feel like making a sketch based on a vote fusion before I realized Gigalith sucks to draw. Anyone got suggestions? (Beginner artist btw)

[viscid mica]

same

[verbal narwhal]

Vote the Tree-Rex or he will consume the sprite managers so we get no new mons or contests

[stable vapor]

My opinion? Vote whatever the heck ya want lol

[upper echo]

I just want pokemon which can be good at most points in the game or are just fun in general
(sorry legendaries/mythicals/ultra beasts/psuedos)

[viscid mica]

my opinion: dont vote furfrou and i dont care.

[paper shuttle]

Vote Slurpuff

[paper pasture]

Slurpuff is based fr

[upper echo]

add komala

[stable vapor]

Me personally I just voted for mons I like

[austere grotto]

Tyrantrum is cool

[upper echo]

komala has the same attack stat as entei

[sudden goblet]

Anyone got some sketch suggestions for the vote? (I am a beginner and I use pencil & paper)

[elder field]

Can you do a Munna/Tyrunt?

[paper pasture]

Sleep talk last resort komala

[sudden goblet]

Sure thing

[upper echo]

yes.

[elder field]

I'm excited to see how you interpret it

[frail jolt]

he announces his vote for the running to get in

[digital ferry]

Alright, posting this before I go to bed, I need to finish my contest entry so I haven’t had much of a chance to work on stuff for the poster, but I’ve got some fun stuff in the works ^^

[digital ferry]

Here’s a sneak peak at some future concepts I want to make, though I might try to finish some of my WIPs first ^^

[rough hound]

im considering it 👀

[elder field]

You have my attention.

[rough hound]

stakataka would be such a cool mon, the grafitti was something id never expect, but it fits so well!

[frail jolt]

what would a buzzwholl pharramosa fusion even look like

[rough hound]

a girlboss

[elder field]

A bloated mosquito?

[rain gust]

What if every pokemon made it into IF?

[elder field]

That would likely be the ideal, but you'd probley need official licensing by that point.

[rough hound]

we can only dream (but not mons like bruxish or the fireflies, then itd be a nightmare)

[zinc cave]

normal buzzwole is already a girlboss, only female mosquitos can suck blood

[zenith relic]

Purugly + Jynx = This

[elder field]

I agree with you on that creepy lip fish thing.

[frail jolt]

pharramosa rosearaid fusion would just be this

[rain gust]

Low-key

I want manaphy

[rough hound]

id say same if it didnt take up 2 slots 😭

[potent venture]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-goomy-gif-4782197

[sturdy breach]

Good mornin everyone!

[frail jolt]

i do think there is potential with having all the UB nocrozzma is a diffrent beast all togeher from them

[outer notch]

What type was Goodra again? Pure Dragon?

[random forge]

433 messages in under 2 hours

cosno

[frail jolt]

Goodra always gave me a dragontales sorta vibe

[sturdy breach]

Goodra is both cute and cool, has goo fuse potential (a bit like muk and ditto, but actually has a defined body shape), good stats, unique ability.

[sharp sphinx]

'

[sturdy breach]

Also posting my 20 slots, first thing in the morning (early morning for me anyway)

[rough hound]

oh my god i am going to melt. how are they SO CUTE

[sharp sphinx]

noibat

[frail jolt]

were did you get that

[zenith relic]

Here's mines

[sturdy breach]

There's an empty version floating around, took the sprites from the poll and very crudely put them into the grid in mspaint 🙂

[rough hound]

noivern just surpassed necrozma on my tierlist, well done

[rough hound]

one sec, i got it somewhere

There it is lol

[frail jolt]

thanks

[polar crown]

That looks like my top 20 picks.

[frail jolt]

introducing the new necrozma arcanine fusion Batteries Not Included

[rough hound]

sorry man, i just dont feel much when i look at spheal. plus we already have a ton of balls in IF with voltorb amd electrode

[frail jolt]

here's a hypothetical question if you could have any gen 8 or 9 mon but it can only be a single Pokemon line what would it be

[sturdy breach]

Either Tinkaton or Meowscarada, yes I know I cheated on the question 😄

[zenith relic]

Cinderace. imagine the awesome sport theme fusions he can bring

[gilded eagle]

don't add it's creepy without the legs it's good

[sharp sphinx]

how bout tyrunt and tyrantrum

[sterile verge]

Dracovish

[sharp sphinx]

ceruledge and co

[rough hound]

off the top of my head its between corviknight and dragapult. gen 9 doesnt do much for me tbh, so gen 8 all the way

[rough hound]

while tyrunt and tyrantrum arent in my top 20, i would NOT be mad if they got in. fantastic mons

[cyan hare]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR COME ON COWARDS

[sharp sphinx]

dude we got the scolipedereveal earlier than expected that was it

[zenith relic]

I wonder who gonna be the lucky Pokemon to be fusion with!!

I'll be sooo going crazy if Tsareena made it in!

[frail jolt]

balltoy Golurk fusion

idea

[sudden goblet]

No masterpiece but I think it's an accurate design. (Probably would look better if I traced it on new paper)

[frail jolt]

dino baby

[sharp sphinx]

no reason to not vote a couple more, unlikely all your top 20 get in, best to ensure some ya really like do

[elder field]

Cute

[sturdy breach]

Obviously for most people the pokemon they want in aren't going to fit in the 20 slots 🙂 The purpose of the image (shameless plug below) is to show what you would like to see within those 20 slots

[elder field]

They have a lot of potential, especially as a body with a relatively unique visual profile

[sharp sphinx]

strong jaws also good to add

[elder field]

Sableeye is already confirmed as a staffpick and doesn't count against the 20 apparently.

[sturdy breach]

No, Scolipede was a staff pick. Sableye does count towards the 20 from what I know

[sharp sphinx]

sableye was also a staff pick by the guy who is helping add the 20, dk if they said if it counts one guy said it was high in votes

[zenith relic]

Dhelmise nice choice

[frail jolt]

i thought that only No, Scolipede was a staff pick.

[sudden goblet]

Only mons I don't like in that image are 8 & 9. Pretty good roster otherwise

[lone dome]

#announcements message

[sharp sphinx]

read what I just said

[zenith relic]

I would imagine Purugly when fused with Jynx becomes this

[elder field]

I'll be happy with most anything as along as Tyrunt makes it, Adding Amaura to the mix would be a lovely bonus though. Love some fossil types

[sturdy breach]

As far as I can see no mention of it not counting towards the 20 (as the said with Scolipede)

[lethal roost]

i think a full tierlist shows off the range of opinions better but obviously takes longer (hold on im deleting this and reuploading it idk what the fuck tierlistmaker did to it)

[zenith relic]

Oh yeah! so that mean we got lucky to see who gonna next when vote

[sturdy breach]

For me it was the other way around, felt like I really needed to add Tyrantrum because Aurorus was on there (Don't feel like they should get separated)

[lethal roost]

sorry this is the same list but actually fully readable

[elder field]

They're both darling. I wish Amaura was stronger, I think IF would give it the chance to truly shine without being tied down by typing issues.

Quad damage from fighting was brutal.

[frail jolt]

amaura tropus this is the result if thay got in and fused found this piconline

[sturdy breach]

I mean, those big eyes can make a lot of things look adorable 🙂

[frail jolt]

we need more dino pokemon

[elder field]

Think of the options you'll get from the aurora sails on the bigger one.

[lethal roost]

here's Gogoat/Aurorus (credit to Norwlin on DA)

[sturdy breach]

Not the flashiest of designs, but still really nice. Salazzle + Froslass (by Mersquito11 on DA)

[elder field]

Man.. I want to vote Gogoat, but we already have way too many grass types.

[frozen oyster]

But no Goat types

[lethal roost]

eh fair enough. there's like 5 other grasses racing to get in too lol
i will leave my goat propaganda here though just in case

[frozen oyster]

I'd vote Indeedee if possible for goat.

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-trex-rex-jurassic-park-gif-23742688

[sturdy breach]

By Skymele-chan (I think)

[zenith relic]

Awww~ true love people, true love

[woeful nebula]

🤨

[sturdy breach]

Give scyther his fake mantis plant gf 🙂

[elder field]

I adore froslass as a ghost type. I just don't care for the rest of the line...That's two more slots that we could use for other options.

[stable vapor]

About time we saw some more Lurantis around here

[frozen oyster]

I've heard the mantis head eating is actually because they don't like being watched. The female gets stressed and eats the males head, and the behavior is far less common out in the wild.

[sturdy breach]

It gives 3 different body types, 2 fully evolved ice types (which are lowest in population atm)

[lethal roost]

disagree, if Cryogonal and Avalugg don't make it I'm banking on Glalie as a mon that's actually made of pure ice

[zenith relic]

Scyther need his gal

Same with Bisharp (Gothitelle)
And Meowth (Purugly) troll face

[sharp sphinx]

gothitelle bears no relation to bisharp

[stable vapor]

Tbh the reason i want Lurantis in the game is just bc I really like Lurantis

[sturdy breach]

The Froslass line is the reason I'm not voting for Cryogonal/Avalugg because I'm not fond of those pokemon in general and Glalie sort of fits the fusion purposes

[elder field]

I'd actually take Avalugg over Glalie in terms of raw design potential.

[sharp sphinx]

avalugg is largely ice, I'd take cryogonal with the snowflake theme and less slotsover that

[stable vapor]

Used one back in gen 8, and it's been one of my favorites ever since

[lethal roost]

thing with avalugg is that its body is great but its head is virtually identical to Bergmite's

however I'm not banking on Cryogonal or Lugg getting in because they're unpopular in the wider pokemon community

[sturdy breach]

Used it in ranked (doubles, besides a Sap Sipper Goodra) in SwSh 🙂

[elder field]

THe reason Avalugg isn't an immediate yes for me either was it's similar profile to torterra

[lethal roost]

actually part of why I stan Goat is that I used it in an XY Mono-Grass Nuzlocke and it kicked ass up and down the game

same with chesnaught damn shame it would've ridden in on Greninja had the starters stayed

[frail jolt]

with just 3 alot lookat all the potenshole

[sturdy breach]

That's all achieveable with Regigigas though?

[sharp sphinx]

heck just do that with gigas yeah

[frail jolt]

regigias is to big

[sharp sphinx]

sprite it not

[lethal roost]

the only thing that entire trio adds is Regice being made entirely of ice and I do not want to resort to that option

[sturdy breach]

The only regi that adds anything is Regice, and that's only if there's no Glalie/Avalugg/Cryogonal added.

[elder field]

Yeah, That makes me want the Gigases even less..

[sharp sphinx]

regis not gigases

[elder field]

Admittedly that is just how little I care about that line.

[sturdy breach]

We should make a reactionary image for whenever the regis are mentioned, I feel like I'm typing the same thing quite a lot haha

[regal vault]

People who said no

[lethal roost]

I think the trios (and Island Guardians) have the issue of all being too similar to each other

i guess if any of the minor legend trios got in I'd want the Forces of Nature because a "therian form" sounds like a cool body fusion concept and I'd like to see it utilized

but the Forces of Nature on their own are too similar to each other

[stable vapor]

I really liked using Contrary Superpower (Why did they take Superpower away from it in gen 9 WHYYYYYYYYYYYY)

[elder field]

Of the trio sets we don't have, i'd agree with this sentiment.

[regal vault]

Triple fusion with Regis

[sturdy breach]

I still have Petal Blizzard 🙂 Though Meowscarada and H-Lilligant work better because of their speed

[zenith relic]

Lilligant would be nice to see

[lethal roost]

triple fusion with forces of nature 🤔

[frail jolt]

found online

[rough hound]

whether yall like em or not, i need advice. im planning to sprite gastrodon/toxicroak, but i dont know which gastro form's colors to use

[lethal roost]

you can make an alt that uses the other one but I think the East Sea blue would look nice

[stable vapor]

Why not try both? Then again, I could see how that would be a lot of unnecissary work.

[elder field]

Split it down the middle?

[zenith relic]

Triple fusion of the Sword Of Justice?

[rough hound]

ive gotten every answer, including pink in another server 😭

[elder field]

combine both and make it purple?

[sturdy breach]

I can't promote legendary pokemon for gameplay reasons, but I do like Virizion

[elder field]

Virizion was kind of pretty

[stable vapor]

Ngl, the pink one does look more poisonous than the blue one

[rough hound]

verizon wireless

[sturdy breach]

They butchered the Pokemon Fit plushie for Virizion 😦

[lethal roost]

I think there should be at most 3 or 4 legends, but even that's 20% of our slots

[wise yarrow]

I wanna vote for the Alcremie tree and Zacian/Zamazenta.

[lethal roost]

its part of why we're definitely not getting any of the minor legendary trios for sure

... knocks on wood

[zenith relic]

Mhmm sadly

[elder field]

I honestly hope we don't get any new legends.

[wise yarrow]

Also, where do I vote?

[sturdy breach]

Slots wise I would probably only vote Meloetta (and maybe Zeraora) because they are standalone mythicals that seem interesting. But yeah, prefer no legends

[lethal roost]

gen 8 isn't in the vote also scroll up in annoucements

[stable vapor]

The link to the voting thingy is in the announcements channel

[elder field]

They're fine, but like..Regular mons are much more important to gameplay and tend to get overshadowed.

[zenith relic]

Meloetta haves the fun potential for fusions

[frigid stream]

Yo

[stable vapor]

Hiya

[lethal roost]

It's why I dropped all the legends off the top of my tier list, admittedly, but I want to see at least one set get in

[frigid stream]

I js woke up, it's my birthday

[glacial vigil]

I voted Cresselia since Darkrai is in

[frigid stream]

I know it's off topic and what ever but I need ppl to know

[glacial vigil]

Also pog, staff pick

[zenith relic]

Everyone fusion can based on Music Genres, Idols, Any music in generl with Meloetta

[minor mantle]

That would be neat

[lethal roost]

i need to restart discord its being weird one sec

[sturdy breach]

While I don't care much for the Scolipede line I'm glad they are a staff pick, makes it just a bit more likely for my own favourites to get in

[minor mantle]

Vote Goodra!

[frail jolt]

i do think that zygarde insane fusion factors and will only take slot and Meloetta for sailormoon and other magical girl type fusions

[elder field]

If I was pushed to pick any legend, i'd probley lean toward shaymin because it's only one mon but has two forms to pick from for fusing purposes. But you could get basicly the same design elements with way more flexibility using the deerling/sawbuck line.

[sturdy breach]

Yes

[zenith relic]

Why not Toxapex, she got 2 lines

[lethal roost]

zygarde, necrozma, or meloetta, all for pretty similar reasons

[stable vapor]

I feel like Lurantis probably won't get in, but if it does Imma be hyped

[agile olive]

same but with tropius

[sturdy breach]

We need to give pokemon pants 🙂

[glacial vigil]

I want Lilligant in

[zenith relic]

I'm surprised there no Goodra propaganda posters

[lethal roost]

same but with 🐐

[stable vapor]

I'm also very much hoping Gastrodon gets in, and I feel like it's a little bit more likely

[sturdy breach]

I'm not creative enough, so I just spam gifs 🙂

[zenith relic]

Beartic needed some, so he can finally covered his shame

[sturdy breach]

And post random fusions I find by googling.

[lethal roost]

may i interest you in this dumb little idiot

(no I'm not making Scraggy propaganda its kinda lame)

[sturdy breach]

Like this one by Aurorawolfa

[zenith relic]

Alright

[stable vapor]

Still probably not gonna get my hopes up for any of the mons I want in, as I feel like I'd just be setting myself up to be disappointed if they don't make it

[lethal roost]

counterpoint: just have way too many mons you want in so at least one of them is guaranteed and you can be Hype

thats what I do with my actually reasonable and not 🐐 picks

[sturdy breach]

I gotta keep my vote at Lurantis for the pants 🙂

[stable vapor]

But eh, I'll be cool with pretty much whatever getting in, since I already got Scolipede

[stable vapor]

Also OH MY GOD I LOVE THAT

[sturdy breach]

Also, are people unsettled by the gooey part of Goodra?

[white meadow]

Drowsee. Girafarig.

[lethal roost]

i have no faith in gogoat's ability to get anywhere higher than 50% on the poll but by god I will goat

[stable vapor]

You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize how easily impressed I am

[lethal roost]

some people are but I think they're being ridiculous, mods will probably get rid of any weird fusions before they make it in

[sturdy breach]

(Credit is on the image 🙂 )

[regal vault]

He Head is good, Just that

[lethal roost]

nah it's a pretty good body (source: i sprited one)

[sturdy breach]

I think a lot of fusion concepts for Goodra are with pokemon that are already cute, making it the most adorable thing in existence

[regal vault]

I like horror

[pure flower]

Hum... Goodra/Arcanine?

[stable vapor]

Also, I proably would make a propoganda poster, if I:

1. Knew how to
2. Had actual arguments beyond just "I like this pokemon"

[glacial vigil]

Just like how long it took them to look at the Miltank fusions?

[sturdy breach]

(Mega Charizard X + Goodra, by TurnipStewdios on DA)

[lethal roost]

I wish more Claydol fusions took advantage of how its arms can detach from its body

[glacial vigil]

Hopefully if Goodra gets in, quality control will be better

[lethal roost]

i feel like miltank is different but i dont think I can articulate how without getting bonked

[glacial vigil]

I don't wanna look in chat just tocsee cursed fusions

[zenith relic]

Claydol interest me, since I'm a psychic type lover

[white meadow]

Wow you mean seasons that arent in the Game as forms

[lethal roost]

im just going to say that Muk is a slime mon that's in the game and there's nothing weird about it at all

[pure flower]

You could have it be location based like in SV

[upper echo]

the pokemon isn't even in the game???
I just meant sprites

[glacial vigil]

You know, fair

[lethal roost]

I don't think Sawsbuck is "basically Gogoat" in that they are different animals and some of the things I want with Gogoat are specifically goat things

[sturdy breach]

The problem I have with Muk in IF is that it just makes pokemon dissolve into a formless mass

[regal vault]

Claydol is those pokemon that are made to be discarded and as a punching bag in the anime it makes me sad

[zenith relic]

Except having some creative ideas with Muk

[lethal roost]

however I will concede that Sawsbuck has an advantage in its seasonal theme and its prevo being significantly different

[upper echo]

the main difference is mostly just stats

[lethal roost]

shame neither Gogoat nor Sawsbuck are getting in 😔

[zenith relic]

Same with Toxapex, unless she lucky

[upper echo]

yeah it's just kinda hated

[glacial vigil]

That is the problem with vote polls

[lethal roost]

Sawsbuck does get a better overall ability in Serene Grace, and it's a better body mon while Gogoat is a better head (by stats)

[upper echo]

I agree both of them fused would be great

[regal vault]

But toxapex is strong, different from claydol which is not competitively good

[zenith relic]

Toxapex is a good toxic setup

[upper echo]

the only thing that would suck about them fusing is they kinda lose out on their advantages

[sturdy breach]

The more I think about the better I feel about Goodra's chances. Not because I think it gets loads of 3 votes, but because it probably gets a lot of 2 votes with quite a bit of people also voting 3

[kindred knot]

it was hated because it was disgusting in competitive play

[stable vapor]

Honestly I feel there's a decent chance for Gogoat, mainly just thinking back to how much hype there was surrounding its return in gen 9

[regal vault]

What's wrong with offensive toxapex

[upper echo]

and then the fall as soon as it was a pokemon in the champion's team as it got bashed

[lethal roost]

yeah they have extremely similar movesets if you were to fuse them together, the primary difference is Sawsbuck getting access to Milk Drink ig?

[stable vapor]

Oh yeah, forgot about that whole thing

[upper echo]

you just get a slower sawsbuck who's slightly more bulky

or a gogoat with a better movepool
sawsbuck gets them good coverage moves

[regal vault]

Silvally and arceus

[lethal roost]

nah goat's got weird coverage too

[upper echo]

sawsbuck gets mega horn play rough zen head butt

and some other weird moves
while gogoat got earthquake

[white meadow]

No cuz of fusions

[lethal roost]

Goat gets EQ, Wild Charge, Rock Slide, Surf, Brick Break, Payback if you're weird

[white meadow]

Also wow another deer

[upper echo]

damn they both are very weird
like why can sawsbuck learn smart strike

[regal vault]

Why doesn't anyone care about Silvally?

[lethal roost]

...the forms not being directly in the game isn't an issue??? have you ever heard of Giratina? Deoxys? Aegislash?

[rough hound]

i know i know, not quite the channel, but its one question and its related to a fusion of 2 vote mons

[upper echo]

damn the fusions can take from all 4 different seasons what a shame

[rough hound]

gastrodon fusions of course

[upper echo]

instead of just 1 base pokemon design they can take it from 4

[kindred knot]

gogoat body + snorlax head with thick fat

[lethal roost]

(p.s. this is why you should vote for furfrou and minior)

[upper echo]

I voted a 3 for minior
I could not care less for furfrou

[lethal roost]

also him yeah

[lethal roost]

oh and lycanroc lycanroc is a super super good pick

[regal vault]

It has many design possibilities for fusion, I don't know why people ignore it

[glacial vigil]

I wanted to look for Cresselia fusions but I didn't really find any

[upper echo]

I put audino as a 2 but in hindsight I regret not putting it in 3

[glacial vigil]

Sadge. I think it actually has potential

[upper echo]

since it'd be helpful for leveling up
as well as being a non hidden ability regenerator mon

[lethal roost]

My main issue with it is that I would love horrid chimera creatures but the only change between Type: Null and Silvally is the head

i think I still have it at 2 though

[upper echo]

I don't like how it's part of the mythical/legend/ultra group
I only vote 3 or more for mons that would be useful in more areas then late game

[regal vault]

Still the type null has a helmet that you could use to reference other franchises and do any design on it

[upper echo]

love mandibuzz and mienshao but it only impacts at or after the 8th gym

[lethal roost]

doing a Think rn

[upper echo]

gen 5 mons are shackled with weird evo levels

[glacial vigil]

They are

[zenith relic]

Yeah like 50 something levels!

[glacial vigil]

It's a blessing Volcarona can be gotten at an earlier level

[upper echo]

garchomp evolves faster then mandabuzz

[glacial vigil]

Still late, but earlier

[upper echo]

I don't see a reason why a evo level should be later then 48 other then for legends or tsuedos

[sturdy breach]

I think Type:null and Silvally are in a weird spot because they are just as limited to acquire as the legendaries in their games. Don't know if that part will translate over to IF. And the fact that it's basically the same pokemon with and without a helmet

[regal vault]

And also in addition to silvally having MANY different colors and being a chimera, with that alone you can think of many designs

[lethal roost]

mmmyes please give me a tiny bird that doesnt evolve until level 54 🥺 please put it at like the very beginning of sun/moon so you don't evolve it until like the third or fourth island 🥺

[upper echo]

I hope oricorio gets in but it won't
it'd be interesting to see how they do it

[glacial vigil]

I never got to use various gen 5 mons for that reason

[glacial vigil]

They evolve far too late

[lethal roost]

game design btw 😎 /s

[white meadow]

I can make sesional forms myselfe when they fit in

[outer hound]

why do i feel like every non-legendary will be picked by staff and in the end we will get way more than 20 pokemons in the game?

[clever atlas]

May I remind you to vote for these good bois
Here's some reasons why you should:

• they're good bois
• we need more speedy rock types
• we don't yet have a proper wolf pokemon
• A great mix of cute and cool
• Lycanroc has 3 forms ||two are almost the same but shhh||
• a lot of possible cool fusions

[lethal roost]

eh, i think the poll is just a poll and the actual mons we get won't be entirely congruent with it

[zenith relic]

Werehog form!!

[upper echo]

because they don't want to only add pokemon that can be used in endgame (the legendaries are winning I'm guessing)

[outer hound]

also this looks godly

[outer hound]

honestly i dont care much about legendarys , most of them dont even make good fusions

[glacial vigil]

The only legendary I care about is Cresselia

[lethal roost]

im voting it so i can have this fine and good boye

[glacial vigil]

Darkrai is in the game do they should add her

[upper echo]

I don't care for them as you can only use them in the late game as most of the fun is making and evolving fusions on the fly before the endgame

[lethal roost]

I do want a legend still, like one set

[upper echo]

it'd be funny if escavalier made it but shellmet didn't

[lethal roost]

not any of the minor trios because they're sure as hell not getting in for various reasons (and that's a damn shame)

[upper echo]

it'd be funny
would they add a new item or what

[lethal roost]

trade evos evolve at a certain level or with a link cable so ig like that

[upper echo]

yeah but they are directly linked to each other

[lethal roost]

not in the poll /shrug

[upper echo]

it's kinda their whole thing of highway robbing shelmets

[glacial vigil]

Well, I can spout Cresselia propaganda all I want. It's an unpopular pokemon

[upper echo]

I just want to see a bunch of weird pokemon like wishiwashi

[lethal roost]

i want Escavalier in because I think it's cool but Golisopod
(i want golisopod too)

[clever atlas]

Don't ignore them yall!

[upper echo]

I want druddigon

[lethal roost]

would never ignore such a good boy

[upper echo]

easy rough skin would be dope

[lethal roost]

eh I respect it

[upper echo]

most of my top mons are decently popular like the gun lobster

or the anchor (the propaganda goes hard)

[lethal roost]

as long as people respect my weird feral desire to have Cryogonal, Sigilyph, and Xurkitree lmao

[upper echo]

😡 stop stealing mons I like

weather and weird pokemon are what I want

[lethal roost]

i mean at least you're not cursed to where you need to have this be the second tier on the tier list

(IT'S VERY NECESSARY)

[clever atlas]

I agree with cryo and xurk
Sigi too, but not as much

[upper echo]

I have a tier for starters/legendaries/high level evos

no matter how much I like them
they don't impact the most fun part of the game for me

[lethal roost]

I put the starters where I would've put them if they were still in
namely "too many slots" and "no"

[upper echo]

which is evolving and fusing pokemon on the go during early to mid game

[regal vault]

VOTE FOR CHIMERA

• good desing

• a lot of different colors varientions

• good Head for badass fusions

• A helmet that can be used for references and any other design

[sturdy breach]

Did you say Gun Lobster? (with salazzle head, by Salikkc)

[regal vault]

What monster would the drampa reference?

[upper echo]

my tier list btw I had to respect diggersby for having huge power

[lethal roost]

Fatalis and to an extent Mizutsune (im aware theres a mizu already)

[upper echo]

spore and weather just makes them auto to the top

[lethal roost]

basically "dragon with long serpentine neck that isnt actually a snake and isnt a biped" is for some reason not something that exists in pokemon outside of drampa

[sturdy breach]

The lowest tier I've seen Goodra on one of these so far 😦

[upper echo]

🤔

[regal vault]

Silvally in last

[upper echo]

it's in the shadow realm with other mons

just think of it as a playground

they're not there because I hate them

[brisk vessel]

Why does obtainability matter
80% of the playerbase plays randomized

[regal vault]

why is silvaly so low?

[upper echo]

it's not low
it's a special tier

[sturdy breach]

I mean, yeah it's a level 50 evo but it is also a pseudo 🙂

[regal vault]

oh ok i don't see

[upper echo]

I don't want to steamroll through the game with legendary fusions

[brisk vessel]

Then just dont use them ez ez
Or play on Hard where not even legendaries can carry

[lethal roost]

that's the highest i've seen the Wurmple line

[upper echo]

I don't
that's why they are in their own tier

[sturdy breach]

Also Kommo-o isn't a 50+ evo

In Modern I would expect you to be able to find one of it's pre evo's before the 8th gym I would guess 😄

[upper echo]

I gotta be honest I do not use that mon (it being there saved it from being below the gen 5 regional bird)

[regal vault]

I just don't understand why the ice creams are at peak

[upper echo]

weather setter

also I like it

[brisk vessel]

3 slots for no difference moment

[lethal roost]

in the aaaaarms of an aaaaaaangel

[brisk vessel]

The better snow warning user

[upper echo]

hidden ability setter

[regal vault]

Honestly, he's not good for fusion design.

[lethal roost]

i mean Abomasnow gets it non-HA but I don't really want Abomasnow either lmao

[glacial vigil]

I voted for both Amaura line and Tyrunt line

[upper echo]

it'd join them if hidden ability balls actually worked 100%

[glacial vigil]

I love them both

[lethal roost]

yeah 😔

[sturdy breach]

Juuuuuust leaving this here again for a moment

[grave jolt]

Spheal better cuz round boi

[lethal roost]

basically if Hidden Abilities were more stable because rn i've heard of weird issues with them vanishing

[upper echo]

that's why it's in PEAK above it

[brisk vessel]

Why is sableye still there he’s already confirmed getting in 🥹

[regal vault]

My opinions haven't changed

[sturdy breach]

Because as far as I know, it's part of the 20 slots

[upper echo]

tier list is ordered

[glacial vigil]

I approve of that Dewpider/araquanid

[brisk vessel]

You will suffer

[grave jolt]

yk, I actually like this one.

[upper echo]

outside of the bottom 2

[grave jolt]

Where base? nvm it's pins

[lethal roost]

...you sure you don't want the Glalie line? 🤔

[upper echo]

w heatmor

[sturdy breach]

wow Goodra and Snorunt line being down there is a crime

[upper echo]

snorunt bottom tf

[sturdy breach]

And amoongus so high and regis

[upper echo]

it's got spore tho valid reason

[glacial vigil]

Bleh, looking in pins

[upper echo]

literally spore alone can make parasect decent

[glacial vigil]

I can't believe so many people were actually voting for the starters

[regal vault]

Stall and funny fusions

[sturdy breach]

I mean, just use Breloom/parasect

[lethal roost]

my only job is to post gogoat propaganda and convince no one and sometimes post that "my opinion is better" gif but never actually mean it

[upper echo]

it's bulkier

[regal vault]

Regis are Regis come om

[sturdy breach]

It's what fusions are used for 🙂

Regis are a literal waste of slots...

[lethal roost]

yeah thats exactly why (forces of nature sweep!!!!!)

[upper echo]

I kinda agree

anyways add boufallant

[regal vault]

And your goodra has 2 useless slots

[upper echo]

sharpedo and crawdaunt are very good

[lethal roost]

i mean the only thing it adds is funny hair add furfrou

[sturdy breach]

There's some big Ws in the top though (Salazzle, Aurorus)

[upper echo]

signature move BABY

[lethal roost]

crawdaunt is one of my favorites but it's just so mid in terms of separating itself from other crabs

[sturdy breach]

maybe 1, at least all 3 have a distinct body type. Meanwhile regis waste all 3

[upper echo]

wym adaptability aqua jet swords dance and knockoff

[lethal roost]

head charge is already available ingame btw

[upper echo]

and did you just call it a crab

[upper echo]

did they give it to other mons

[lethal roost]

apparently every signature has been distributed to other mons and I didn't know

[regal vault]

I didn't understand your point

[upper echo]

they destributed signature moves but still gave togekiss that moveset

[lethal roost]

i mean as a design, but yes Adaptability would be really fun to mess with vote Dragalge

[regal vault]

Why are they a "waste"?

[upper echo]

but level 48 evo
(I used one before it was suffering)

[sturdy breach]

They add nothing that isn't already in the game. MAYBE Regice has some potential

[upper echo]

also goodra can actually be used before post game (at least the pre evos ig)

[brisk vessel]

Lol
Lmao

[kindred knot]

argument, we need to have a physical attack adaptability

[regal vault]

There is nothing in the game that looks like registeel or regirock, at most Onix but not

[clever atlas]

FUCK YEAH DRAMPA

[upper echo]

regirock is just a bunch of rocks 😭

[sturdy breach]

Regigigas has the golem part down, plenty of mons that are just a lump of steel or a bunch of rocks

[lethal roost]

true and we're sure as hell not getting Basculin or Gumshoos

[regal vault]

Exactly, you can do anything with it.

[upper echo]

you are acting like there ain't already 2 golem pokemon and a bunch of rock pokemon

like just use rhyperior or something

[regal vault]

And it also doesn't make the slightest sense for there to be regigigas but not the trio he created imao

[lethal roost]

eh I'll bump up Crawdaunt to 2 ig

[sturdy breach]

So yeah, in my personal opinion the regis don't add anything substantial and are legendaries to boot (which is not a +)

[upper echo]

yeah and darkrai exists without the moon one

[lethal roost]

i cannot in good conscience bump it to 3 when I think Clawitzer has more valid design reason to be present

[regal vault]

Thats Sad tho

[lethal roost]

even though i really really want crawdaunt 😔

[upper echo]

not adding certain pokemon in combos is a pokemon special

[regal vault]

Without others they seem incomplete

[upper echo]

looking at you charizard

[sturdy breach]

Voting legendaries in because of that reason is a waste of slots as well.

[upper echo]

ok but red lobster team

[sturdy breach]

Barely does anything for regular gameplay

[regal vault]

it was just an observation

[lethal roost]

but we can't have the red lobster without the full seafood meal
(no shrimp????)

[sturdy breach]

And one of your arguments for the regis?

[upper echo]

as long as at least 1 or 2 weather setters get added I'm fine

[regal vault]

I'm not discussing

[lethal roost]

yeah I want at least one of the Snow Warning mons since we don't get any and hopefully Hippowdon but I don't see it making it in

[upper echo]

watch the monkey paw happen and it's the meteor victim

[upper echo]

love me some hippowdon

[lethal roost]

yeah I want a more accessible sand setter

[upper echo]

I want a more accessable every setter (looking at rain atm)

[lethal roost]

gigalith would be cool too but uhhhhhhhh boldore kind of a 😔 slot

[dark merlin]

Vote for XYZ

[upper echo]

dunno the pencil case kinda cool

[wooden hemlock]

more than anything i want the spheal and golispod line, itd add some heavy hitters and great fusions

[regal vault]

MEGAZORD

[lethal roost]

this is doable with either gigalith or boldore 😔

[bold atlas]

Which Zygarde form would we get base if they add it

[wooden hemlock]

vote for not a legendary so we can have content thats easy to find

[lethal roost]

roggenrola is the pencil sharpener wdym

[regal vault]

Zygarde is earth incarnate, many possibilities

[bold atlas]

Presumably 50%?

[upper echo]

nah it's a rock apple on a stick

[lethal roost]

probably 50% since iirc that is Form 0 on Zygarde (i.e. base form)

[atomic pawn]

snek one is probably would be the main sprite, other forms would be alts

[sullen elbow]

carbink is a closer color

[wooden hemlock]

yes but carbink sucks

[brisk vessel]

Gigalith also has Sand Stream so thats another weather setter

[upper echo]

literally one of the biggest slot wasters after legendaries

[wooden hemlock]

im surprised carbink wasnt included with diance, they fill the same role but ones barbie

[upper echo]

all non hidden ability weather setters are peak

[white meadow]

i would rather just take diancie without it taking 2 slots for no reason

[sullen elbow]

crystal pokemon that doesn't use up 3 slots

[brisk vessel]

I do not like this tierlist

[upper echo]

did peliper dirty

[lethal roost]

could i possibly convince you to bump uhhh idk Clawitzer up because it has a huge gun arm and that could be kinda cool

[upper echo]

it's like kekleon but without the useful ability it's just there

[lethal roost]

bc like right now we have Tiny Guns and we need a bigger gun

same with Vikavolt I wanna see a bigass railgun and no one can stop me

[sturdy breach]

You know, I wasn't going to make a tier list, but might just do it 🙂

[regal vault]

You look like someone who hates different pokemon, like the ultra beast imao

[upper echo]

tbh I'd put every weather setter in very good

xurkitree is peak but it's a legend so it goes to the shadow realm

[lethal roost]

also Minior because it's literally every color of the rainbow + a few most people don't know about

[clever atlas]

Ayo wtf is plusle doing up there
It's literally the same mon twice

[white meadow]

my tier list is totally the best

[lethal roost]

Did you know that when Minior was first added to HOME, its Shiny form was actually the black overlaid on top of the color the Minior would usually be, resulting in darker versions of the colors it already has

[wooden hemlock]

its for the ultimate pikachu clone where its just pikachu

[regal vault]

It was a mistake for them to put the minior's variations on the voting image, it will make him lose a lot of votes

[glacial vigil]

I think some are missing from this one

[clever atlas]

Yes
Darkrai needs his sis

[upper echo]

but BALL

[white meadow]

does he, tho?

[shy marsh]

Boldore

[regal vault]

Ultra beast are ultra beast

[glacial vigil]

I just lumped them together

[brisk vessel]

So true

[upper echo]

🤝 fellow legendaries banisher

[lethal roost]

this is the only example of the Shiny Minior thing I could find sadly but it did happen

[white meadow]

"oh but cresselia is paired with darkrai so it's fine"

[grave jolt]

tbqh, I think Plusle and Minun could be done better as a fusion then taking up two slots

[regal vault]

Yeah, I'm sure many just saw the image, voted 0 without remembering the variants

[white meadow]

might as well just go ahead and take 3 slots to add the regis

[upper echo]

I can overlook 1 thing
it's the least I can do

[lethal roost]

so basically minior is Shields Up form + the 7 colors + the shiny color + maybe the 7 weird off-shiny colors that hapapened that one time

[grave jolt]

ie Pachirisu/Pichu = the Gen 3 Pika twins

[clever atlas]

That would make me despise them less

[regal vault]

Yep

[grave jolt]

I'll just be honest and say I don't like Miniors design.

[upper echo]

do not call the world champion lines gen 3 mons

[lethal roost]

eh fair

[upper echo]

or equate them as such

[wooden hemlock]

the peak teir list, volcanion is nowhere to be found cuz its the worst

[lethal roost]

putting 1-slot mons in that tier will never not be funny to me also no volcanion is based

[white meadow]

volcanion is certainly a pokemon

[upper echo]

sigilith slander hurts me

[brisk vessel]

Ok i gtg now
Pls consider if you haven’t yet it has tons of cool potential 🥹
Cya chat

[wooden hemlock]

theyre not even worth the one slot

[regal vault]

Zygarde on "to many slots" imao

[upper echo]

but it's good to see that people are respecting croagunk

[lethal roost]

are you sure you dont want cryogonal 🥺 i dont have propaganda for it tbh i just think it's neat

[upper echo]

omw to change the legendary/too high level evo tier to too many slots

[grave jolt]

We need an april fools update where it's just like "Well, since Zygarde got the top of the list, we're gonna give it 20 versions"

[regal vault]

Why silvally is in ugly?

[white meadow]

why shouldn't it be?

[wooden hemlock]

its just kinda eh, another one that looks like a fakemon

[regal vault]

Infinitefusion is not Minecraft

[wooden hemlock]

not as bad as marshadow tho

[brisk vessel]

Also repost (not in any order)

[grave jolt]

...
Other games do april fools updates though?

[lethal roost]

oh yeah i found the off-shiny colors

[regal vault]

But is the tier list one of design opinion or fusion potential?

[upper echo]

you are not disrespecting zeraora enough

[regal vault]

Idk i dont play games

[glacial vigil]

The only reason I didn't vote minior is because it sucks as a body

[wooden hemlock]

yeah it just adds a lot of strange elements and also i choose spite, oricorio has potential i just dont like the bird

[upper echo]

floating ball peak body

fuse it with torterra and make a globe

[regal vault]

Hm ok

[lethal roost]

counterpoint: I also want Shields Down ingame it'd be funny

[wooden hemlock]

replace voltorb and jigglypuff with minior and spheal

[grave jolt]

oricorio has potential, it just needs 4 slots

[white meadow]

or just use voltorb

[upper echo]

it does electric stuff so no

[regal vault]

It didn't make much sense for them to put it with 4 slots, 1 would do

[upper echo]

also dual colours

[rough hound]

[white meadow]

1 gotta go since sableye is confirmed

[lethal roost]

i dont think it would get its alt forms into the game anyway which kinda sucks because Revelation Dance would be sick as hell

[regal vault]

Goodra

[upper echo]

croagunk always getting respect is nice

[wooden hemlock]

why does your top 20 have so many dragons

[grave jolt]

Need the T-Rex pokemon on this list

[white meadow]

you would be shocked with how many people want the nikocado snail dragon

[upper echo]

I gotta disrespect the tropius

[regal vault]

Just because he is cute

[wooden hemlock]

ok no, if we have tropius we can add coconut.jpg

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-gif-21618697

[regal vault]

That cat is more cute

[upper echo]

minior + exeggcute/exeggutor does that

[outer hound]

i present to you the awsome , the incredible , the fusion of the fusions

[grave jolt]

I used to mix up tropius and meganium when I was younger cuz they were so similar

[wooden hemlock]

yes but those arent useless

[white meadow]

breh dragonite already fits the role of fat dragon, but people want the "slime"

[wooden hemlock]

dragonite sucks, its a bad cap to the dratini line

[upper echo]

we already got slugs and slime

[glacial vigil]

Best dragon is Altaria

[rough hound]

I will not allow tropius disrespect in my house. Its a fruit brachiosaur with dragonfly wings that are made of leaves, tropis deserves better

[grave jolt]

I want goodra cuz it's my favorite pseudolegend lmao

[white meadow]

yeah so why get another obese dragon

[glacial vigil]

Fluffy cloud fusions

[lethal roost]

best dragon is noivern (please please please i want monster hunter fusions i beg )

[upper echo]

it has both a long neck and wings (that probably don't work)

[wooden hemlock]

dragonite only sucks due to context, goodra is just better dragonite

[rough hound]

Dragons are good =)

[robust geyser]

6G pokemon are the best can't change my mind

[raw bison]

All Dragons are Valid

[grave jolt]

YES

[upper echo]

noivern and druddigon best dragon

[rough hound]

Yknow who else humanity deemed to be too large for its tiny wings to get off the ground?

[glacial vigil]

If I had to choose a single dragon, I would always go Altaria for the cloud/fluff fusions

[grave jolt]

Noivern is slept on 😔

[white meadow]

druddigon is certainly a dragon

[robust geyser]

Beef

[upper echo]

it got non hidden ability rough skin

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-muscle-man-cartoon-gif-26071500

[robust geyser]

when is the next pokemon reveal ?

[upper echo]

it's abilities don't miss

[wooden hemlock]

so does sharpedo and we get a shark

[lethal roost]

Well, Druddigon isn't Baxcalibur 🥳

[raw bison]

Altaria is the only dragon missing from gens 1 to 4, every other dragon type is available. I want to fuse it with the legendary birds, variant storm winged birds with dragon typing

[upper echo]

it has rough skin, sheer force, mold breaker
it don't miss

[sturdy breach]

And yes Goodra is peak

[grave jolt]

Good choice, but we still don't have a dragon monotype and I want it to do my prefered team :3

[upper echo]

decent bulk and 120 attack

[rough hound]

I was gonna copy-paste the bee movie script, but MY MOM is also an acceptable answer

[upper echo]

it also sunbathes

[outer hound]

Who is the Lizard at #14 ?

[lethal roost]

Salandit and Salazzle

[white meadow]

ah yes, lizard

[lethal roost]

come to think of it in IF the gendered evolutions aren't gendered anymore so you could have male salazzle which is kinda based

[upper echo]

🥺 please do this with vesp

[lethal roost]

ehhhhhhhh we have bees 😔

[robust geyser]

is there a png will all the sprites of the vote pokemon ?

[upper echo]

ok but bees with slightly better stats

[robust geyser]

so i can do my tier list too

[lethal roost]

check pins and then hit "create a tier list"

[raw bison]

OOOO the potential with fusing highly masc pokemon with high fem salazle. I was already a salazzle stan but the possibilities are opening before me

[grave jolt]

salazle says trans rights

[rough hound]

Hey guys, which toxicroak sprite do yall think is better? I need to know for propoganda and fusion making

[sturdy breach]

right tbh

[clever atlas]

The right one

[upper echo]

right

[grave jolt]

Left one looks like it's going "I want you to vote for crogunk"

[upper echo]

creating tierlists are fun as you can anger people with just a image

[lethal roost]

now that Greninja is gone there is nothing stopping Toxicroak from becoming king of frogs

[raw bison]

Left side is more dynamic and I like it better but it highlights how awkward the boy is. Which is a selling point for me, but not everyone

[upper echo]

YES

[grave jolt]

Pachirisu is top tier ;P

[lethal roost]

also I want it to kill Politoed I hate Politoed all my homies hate Politoed

[raw bison]

I'm going to fuse politoed with Toxicroak if he gets in

[upper echo]

remember gastradon is more competively viable then every ultra beast

[rough hound]

Id punt politoed across a field without hesitation or remorse

[raw bison]

I love all my frogs

[lethal roost]

another Mystery Dungeon player or a different reason?

[upper echo]

I like all the frogs

[clever atlas]

Even Nahanadel?

[mild sedge]

you FOOLS, I BRING BACK THE HARBRINGER OF DESTRUCTION, PIKANORLAX!

[upper echo]

yes.

[grave jolt]

If we get Pachi, we can use it to make the other Pikaclones without polluting the Pikachu fusions.

[lethal roost]

no I think Pikachu is perfectly capable of polluting itself

[rough hound]

Anyways, all you toxicroak likers in chat. Wanna join my alliance? I plan to try and make a couple cool toxicroak fusions and i could definitely use some help naking sure theyre peak enough to show people what hes all about

[sturdy breach]

Alright, first version

[upper echo]

ok but the pikaorb

[upper echo]

mushroom slander

[sturdy breach]

We already have the best mushroom mon(s)

[upper echo]

no.

[sturdy breach]

Breloom and Paras, yes 🙂

[grave jolt]

You can get fat pikichu already, it's literally in like 5 alt fusions for pikachu.

[upper echo]

they lose to 🦅

[lethal roost]

i WILL bring my opinion: uhhh idk slurpuff could have cool dessert fusions ig

[upper echo]

also weather setter slander

[lethal roost]

2 slots for that though 😔

[white meadow]

and 🔥

[upper echo]

all I'mma say is weather is worth every slot

[lethal roost]

i mean Shiinotic dies to poison and Amoonguss never dies but I'm afraid of it

[grave jolt]

Need my Dragon Hail team

[sturdy breach]

I hate Amoonguss cause of competitive and it's damn name.

[upper echo]

shiinotic also got gas moves and stuff

[lethal roost]

the "fungus among us" joke has forever been ruined

[upper echo]

also evolves at level 24

[rough hound]

I think trevenants getting the boot from my top 20, sableye took one of the 2 slots needed for it.

Any good single stages i should consider replacing em with?

[smoky basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-darmanitan-flamethrower-angry-cat-gif-2699169061828627176

[grave jolt]

amogus???

[upper echo]

wow the reason why I love it

[rough hound]

Sus

[upper echo]

the fact that the slug and the funny among us pokemon is viable beside legendaries is hilarious

[lethal roost]

idk my single stage opinions are trash but uhh
-cryogonal
-sigilyph
-minior
-furfrou
-a lonely empty slot full of suffering

torkoal and castform also acceptable choices

[upper echo]

audino

[grave jolt]

I'm realizing there's like 5 pure electric types in IF

[upper echo]

gives good exp and it has non ha regenerator

[livid geyser]

cryogonal and furfrou is goated

[upper echo]

make parasect knockoff amoonguss

[white meadow]

bruxish 🔥

[lethal roost]

eeeeehhhhhhhhhh

[upper echo]

fine then torkoal

[glossy osprey]

el gran maja

[lethal roost]

i dont hate audino and that's not the bottom tier it's just very
pokemon?

[upper echo]

it gives good exp when defeated and it has regenerator

[sturdy breach]

That actually made me chuckle

[upper echo]

literally the easiest path to one of the top 5 abilites in the game

[white meadow]

yeah audino is another pokemon

[livid geyser]

audino is la creatura but its design niche is kind of just a conglomerate of lopunny and clefairy

[lethal roost]

mienshao would be my pick for a regenerator mon (non-HA) damn shame it's not getting in

[upper echo]

level 50 evo

[clever atlas]

I agree

[upper echo]

mienshao gotta be my fav regenerator mon

[clever atlas]

Also fuck amoonguss

[lethal roost]

i want mienshao and i think it could be cool but man. 😔

[upper echo]

no.

there is 34 legendary options

[livid geyser]

i dont really think we need any more grass or poison types

[sturdy breach]

If only it was a 1 stage

[white meadow]

wym by that

[glossy osprey]

Why Guzzlord should be voted: Big Black Beast, dark yet intriguing fusion potential, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, unique dragon, imagine what double Guzzlord would be like, Guzzlord + Mantine = el gran maja

[upper echo]

there is 34 options to choose from in the poll that are legendaries/mythics/ultra frauds

pretty much the same thing in this game

[grave jolt]

I went through and there's not many viable pure electric fusions. As such, I say Pachirisu should be elected as resident pikaclone

[livid geyser]

LOL @ “ultra frauds”

[lethal roost]

counterpoint: elect zeraora as resident furry

[white meadow]

pure types are lame

[upper echo]

NO

[sullen elbow]

You are going to fuse them anyways

[upper echo]

as the biggest zeraora hater I have to disagree with zeraora being anything at all

[lethal roost]

the other option is eelektross we need to stop the pikaclones

[smoky basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/goodpea2-eclise-gif-19886918

[livid geyser]

ill have you know that pure types are not lame (looks at houndstone in ubers)

[white meadow]

carried by one move

[upper echo]

I like eelektross

[lethal roost]

houndstone is in ubers because of its broken ass signature move not because of its pure typing

[grave jolt]

we have like one in the game 😔

[lethal roost]

marill is better than that

[white meadow]

also "houndstone" and it's not a ghost rock, what a waste

[upper echo]

you could've just said kyogre

[white meadow]

there were so many opportunities for a ghost rock but nahhhhh

[rough hound]

Did some independent research. Im actually gonna pick a mon no one said.

Durant

Say what you want, but i think not only would it make cool fusions, but also if you use it as a body those stats aint half bad 👀

[grave jolt]

Actually, Pichu was the gen 2 pikaclone. Marill was never intended for the role.

[lethal roost]

Runerigus not being Ghost/Rock will cause me to haunt that designer to their grave

[upper echo]

I say heatmor

heatmor got a heat signature move

[livid geyser]

im not saying that’s why its in ubers im saying that its in ubers which makes it not lame (also houndstone was the first thing that came to mind other than espathra)

[grave jolt]

But, like, it's Pichu and thus a baby pokemon and has terrible stats.

[lethal roost]

Fire Lash is already in the game btw it'd just make Fire Lash accessible without tutor

[sullen elbow]

Is it that hard to understand that they Pokemon designers are not the same people that the ones that make the english names?

[upper echo]

could've chosen better ubers like uhh uhh deoxysus

[white meadow]

it literally has a grave thing in it's head

[upper echo]

they also designed runathing

[livid geyser]

yeah I didn’t know if you’d agree with tirnadus or deoxys at first

[upper echo]

and made it ground even though it was made of ancient rock paintings

[rough hound]

Did you just recommend the mon known to EAT durant? Keep him away from my armored ant lmao

[upper echo]

yes I did.

[sullen elbow]

I litteraly digs itself in the ground it should be ground type

[white meadow]

also that, yes, anything but pure ghost

[lethal roost]

we can't do this again

[upper echo]

darmanitan is also a pure mon (carried by ability instead )

[white meadow]

which one

[lethal roost]

anyway i gotta go tf to sleep heres your ethically sourced propaganda

[livid geyser]

does heatmor get gluttony? i forgot honestly

[sturdy breach]

The literal translation for Houndstone's japanese name is 'Tomb dog' (Hakadog). Do with that what you want

[smoky basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-darmanitan-flamethrower-angry-cat-gif-2699169061828627176

[upper echo]

an enclosure for a corpse cut in the earth or in rock. sounds pretty earthy

[viscid mica]

it has Ha in the name confirmed Hachikō reference

[sturdy breach]

I'm just here to provide the original name for information, not join the discussion 🙂

[rough hound]

Alright. New top 20 baby

[white meadow]

hey another durant voter

[upper echo]

I love the pink

[sturdy breach]

Sad about the UB/Legend inclusion but I can live with it

[sullen elbow]

You only want the novelty of a new type combo that would kinda suck anyways. I don't see that many people complainig that lycanrock wasn't rock normal

[viscid mica]

where do you make the top 20 thing