lost onyx
what does it mean to be a toki ponist? who counts, who doesn't, where is the bar? are there different types of toki ponists? what must one do or be in order to be a "notable" tokiponist?
#tokiponist li seme
echo night
Notability is a myth made up by big Illusion of one big community to sell more uh notability or whatever
My point does stand though like
toki pona isn't like a huge Singular Community
It's a language that develops in Different communities
And so notability is kind of
??
Cuz it's not like we have a Linku survey but for Notable People
And at some points I do agree with you on that the page that emanated this post does seem to be at points just
"these people I do know"
And, like Notably So, there's a lack of Notable People from other communities iirc
Where's the Notable people from the Korean community, or Japanese, or French, or Spanish, etc
Like at some point it's Hard to define what notable is, because like. I personally Don't know a Lot of the people being talked about. I know some people in the past have made important toki pona songs or courses and whatnot but those people aren't as notable to me as like, the people I talk to a lot in these communities
So overall like, what's a toki ponist? Someone who uses toki pona. Different types? I guess specific areas they prefer to develop themselves? Notable? Unsure
I feel like it makes sense for people who like have created new widely used methods like sitelen suwi or luka pona, but they're notable because they created those things, rather than like
Recognizability or whatever
earnest salmon
i second everything Nunaku says, especially when it comes to notability
spark violet
A tokiponist is someone who worships kijetesantakalu, I'm the most notable tokiponist /musi (But to be a tokiponist imo you should be able to write the events of your average day in toki pona.)
heady dew
I would say notable means that many people know who they are and they have made some impact on the community
spark violet
Maybe notable means creating a toki pona reference work
like one you could cite to your teachers
quartz tundra
Where's the Notable people from the Korean community, or Japanese, or French, or...
French: jan Sepulon?
idk what notable would mean
There are people Putting Themselves Out There™️
and there's a subset of these that probably get more engagement than others, if that's something you're interested in
forest kernel
notable frenchist Napoleon Bonaparte [...]
quartz tundra
Where's the Notable people from the Korean community, or Japanese, or French, or...
Japanese: jan Umijotalu?
quartz tundra
notable frenchist Napoleon Bonaparte [...]
if anyone is notable in French culture, Napoleon would be hard to beat
People continue to write about that ass centuries after
quartz tundra
"Francophones" isn't perceived as much as a culture as "French persons from France" is
spark violet
jan pi utala mute
toki pona doesn't have much of a.. culture. I don't mean this in any negative way, but..
as a language, it doesn't have many cultural goals.
No cuisine, no shared flag, no land to claim, native speakers don't (AND SHOULDN'T) exist.
quartz tundra
I wouldn't gatekeep what a tokiponist is
spark violet
I mean
quartz tundra
ad-hoc criteria I could see being a bit plausible for "notable tokiponist", which will always be an artificial categorisation imo
- online presence (website, youtube channel, blog, followable social media) or published media or things from other people about that person
- "ok" at toki pona (not completely misrepresenting the language, maybe)
- some threshold that shows that they're not just posting in the void?
mossy nymph
a notable toki ponist is whoever i see talk too much(affectionate)
what you really wanna aske about is notorious tokiposists
spark violet
there are a LOT of possible criteria
for tokiponist
or notable tokiponist
from minimal.. "Posted a video in toki pona"
to "Made a significant shift in a way the language was spoken"
quartz tundra
from minimal.. "Posted a video in toki pona"
Sonja Lang: not notable
quartz tundra
right, sorry, not trying to add any tone really
quartz tundra
yeah
putting specific markers down for notability criteria is not going to help us, because if someone exclusively makes graffiti - if we want to have "they're out there" criteria - but we said "anyone who made text or audio or a video or a game in toki pona", then we'd have to keep updating the list
seems like the wrong way around
forest kernel
No cuisine, no shared flag, no land to claim, native speakers don't (AND SHOULDN...
toki pona cuisine is whatever is going on in #toki-moku-tpt
quartz tundra
I'm using "out there" because someone exposing their stuff to the outsid world implies that they'd be ok with being noted and thus called notable
mossy nymph
toki pona cuisine is whatever is going on in <#990793063142146168>
suno ale la tokiponists li moku e ijo sama
hazy saffron
mi la toki ponist is just someone who uses toki pona. speak, write, etc., it doesn't matter. proficiency doesn't matter either. there is only "toki ponist", no one is notable. there shouldn't be a list
spark violet
toki pona cuisine is whatever is going on in <#990793063142146168>
I mean, not like they're throwing up their own meals called "kili pi seli lili pi nasin namako pona" Or whatever that originate from toki pona ideas
Most of them are like
distant bolt
i'd say a tokiponist is just anyone who proficiently speaks the language
notable tokiponist, although a flawed concept to an extent, would be if someone or something they've created is widely known around the commmunity