#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin

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atomic halo
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'ulunlu tongue twister

azure gulch
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my brain and the bus and my keyboard are working agisnt me typing my ideas out

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crying

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hold on im think im on the wrong bus

atomic halo
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leme hypnosis

azure gulch
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i am not on the wrong bus yipe

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kusi paka

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sounds weird honestly like a pokemon name

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kusi paka.

atomic halo
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TRUEE

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sussy baka

azure gulch
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REALLL

atomic halo
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its okay letter count separated by vowel/consonant then sorted by count

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this might be too much actually HAHA

azure gulch
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interesting

atomic halo
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the first 3 columns are just raw data btw i hid those

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only the 2 last ones are on display

chilly urchin
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Looking at u doing all this and going "Woah, haha, I didn't notice how.... Smart you were" (mean girl turned nice tone of voice)

atomic halo
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pin that says ask me about my google sheets formulas

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this is the first time ive had to do this for like. data analysis instead of fucking around for shits an d giggles so im learning how the query function works for the first time and shes kind of huge

azure gulch
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i havent done Serious Sheets Shit™️ in years

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maybe i shld get back into it

atomic halo
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look how elegant and petite she is... like yesss order by col2 descending

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yass periodt queen! absolutely the house down boots! my goodness! did you really have to go koo koo kunt like this?

azure gulch
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is she lu or is she pispis

atomic halo
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shes pretty lu tbh

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kusi lu

azure gulch
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kusi kepa

atomic halo
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LONNNN

chilly urchin
azure gulch
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i explode

atomic halo
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god. i wonder if anything would be different now if i like remade my character sheet from scratch

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it would be an interesting project

azure gulch
atomic halo
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theyre cute.. they can stay....

azure gulch
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very fair !

atomic halo
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in like a real sense every minimal pair can stay im just sensitive about e/a because i havent acclimated to them yet

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its like what the fuckk.. theyre both <a> in english dude.. theyre basically literally the same... [exaggeration but yk]

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ive been getting better though one day ill be a menu lu ka gisi gisi gisi

azure gulch
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menu gisi ka gisi gisi gisi

atomic halo
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TBHHH

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now i want to see if i can make a minimal pair detector wait.. [screeches like the banshee]

azure gulch
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on the hunt

atomic halo
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nevermind i forgot they can come in minimal triplets and other minimal complexes

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too haaard

azure gulch
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got ur hunting hat on

atomic halo
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exaaactly

chilly urchin
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kepa and kipa sitting under a tree

atomic halo
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none of the 7 letter words end in a letter that rhymes with tree despair

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gaskele - kissing

chilly urchin
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kepa pes kipa ka keles [kasi]

atomic halo
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LONNN

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where are our tree words... [growls]

chilly urchin
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hahaha, easy boy 🐴

azure gulch
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moss but no tree

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we are winning maybe

atomic halo
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tree is now pukis sigka'i

azure gulch
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so true

chilly urchin
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I mean

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Haha

atomic halo
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ahaha... h-hi nunaku,...

chilly urchin
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hiiiii >////<

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Sometimes I'm like I should change my name back to noneko but nunaku is cute

atomic halo
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nunaku is pretty cute

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you dont wanna be nuneku now do you...? ahah....

chilly urchin
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I guess not....... heh....

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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paka ka leme lu

chilly urchin
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paka ka leme lu ^w^

atomic halo
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ka being possible with only one word after it [in the indirect object] is spoiling me so hard

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im always like "okay well i could say paka lu... but like imagine this though.

chilly urchin
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yeas.....

atomic halo
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that is how the language be though its fine that its more specific than toki pona in like One front actually [speaking to myself]

chilly urchin
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it's not unambiguous at all

atomic halo
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that is also true youre right.

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paka ka leme lu - movement felt by goodness

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gisi gisi wrong on purpose interpretations are so easy you just fuck all the ka phrases to shit

chilly urchin
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YEWAH

atomic halo
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'uge 'i kepa menu si 'ulun sigka'i ka sesli sesli 'ulun

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pispis ka ka 'uge si 'ulun kipa

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'uge ka 'ispi sesli gisi

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thoughts on gamu/wan btw

chilly urchin
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gamu meaning wan

atomic halo
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what are the phrasings that could let you use gamu for a wan olin

chilly urchin
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like from garnet

atomic halo
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TRUE

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[olin] 'i 'uge 'i kemu si gamu? is that silly a a

chilly urchin
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'uge si [kiwen] Gamu
si gamu [again]

atomic halo
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'uge 'i kemu si gamu sounds. a bit bloodshed-like

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im the jawbreaker and i eat again

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'uge 'i [olin] kemu si gamu... [veins bulge out of my forehead]

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silen si sigka'i ka sesli 'uge

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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I have been missing dungeon meshi so fucking bad

atomic halo
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'uge 'i nesku gisi Kansun Mesi si 'ulun 'ispi KIPA A!!!!

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KEMU**

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i havengt otten used to the pronouns gomen

atomic halo
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removing /t/ also being an accomodation for /s/ coda is pretty cool actually.

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so you don't have to work about st/sl/sn

chilly urchin
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streisand slack

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no

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eys

atomic halo
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streisand slack..

atomic halo
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kusi leme 'uge si kepus despair

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n... 'uge 'i gisi si 'upune... gisi 'alapa kepa 'i menu 'ulun si leme lu. kusi si gisi 'ispi ka gisi 'uge.

atomic halo
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kusi 'uge ka kipa 'ispi si ka silen kusi gisi 'uge spair

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thinking of readding si before ka-predicates

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either in the case of like. "X si Y si ka Z" or just in general

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kusi leme 'upune si gisi ka kipa silen

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silen gisi 'a'e si 'alapa

chilly urchin
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I think it could be a mi sina case

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mi X li Y

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pukis ka X si ka Y

atomic halo
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lon...

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though arguably you dont need to because pukis ka X ka Y basically means the same thing

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"the pukis thats ka X and ka Y" anu "the pukis thats ka X is ka Y" anu "the pukis is ka X and ka Y"

chilly urchin
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yeah

atomic halo
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gisi gisi first grammatical nasin split spair

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kepa gisi gisi si.. uhm

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si sigka'i ka kipa 'ispi? it grows in a way unrelated to focus? it branches off?

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'UPUNE

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DUH

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kepa ka silen gisi gisi si 'upune...? si sigka'i ka 'upune 'ispi? nnnnn...

chilly urchin
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I need to read all this when my brain doesn't exlode

atomic halo
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heheheh

azure gulch
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silen gisi ka gisi gisi gisi 'i gisi lu si 'upune

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anu seme

remote junco
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me when I kasmipekan

atomic halo
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lonnnnnn

atomic halo
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in my defense it was 1:25 am

wicked hedge
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.gisi ka gisi gisi gisi 'i gisi

atomic halo
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LONN

wicked hedge
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in the language gisi gisi

atomic halo
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'ispi kipa though im trying to think of how to say it

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mi sona ala.

azure gulch
atomic halo
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i was trying to say 'upune like "gisi gisi grammar grows in opposition to focus" i.e it branches out

azure gulch
atomic halo
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'ispi being both a pronoun and a content word kills millions

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a a a

azure gulch
atomic halo
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nosa sagely yeah i did gather that part

azure gulch
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gisi ka gisi gisi gisi 'i gisi si gisi ka gisi gisi

atomic halo
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'uge si 'ispi

wicked hedge
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i love it

atomic halo
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nesku 'Uska

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'Asku?

wicked hedge
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what's a nesku

azure gulch
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ijo

wicked hedge
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oh cool

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for name probably ‘Aska

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nesku ‘Aska

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menu is jan y?

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la ni kin li ken

azure gulch
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yes :)

wicked hedge
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pona

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nesku ‘Aska, menu ‘Aska, let's see what else i can steal as a headnoun

azure gulch
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we have a word for moss

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would you like sigka'i

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it also means grow

wicked hedge
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i am not, to my knowledge, moss

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but i do grow i think

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so sure

final frost
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i would be a moss for sure

wicked hedge
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i will be going through every word and seeing if it's acceptable as a headnoun for me

wispy tendonBOT
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Heheh

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Nice

remote junco
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whoa

wispy tendonBOT
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"ka 'Aska" is a fun construction

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"In the context/quality of 'Aska"

atomic halo
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the ke one is really funny

wispy tendonBOT
atomic halo
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if you think about it a body is a kepa of cells

azure gulch
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life is a pattern/organisation of occurences and behaviour

atomic halo
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honestly.. honestly

wicked hedge
remote junco
wicked hedge
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seriously though

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why is ke a word

remote junco
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it’s like kijetesantakalu but why limit foolishness to only one day a year

wicked hedge
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i see

remote junco
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and of course “haha word long” is not really a joke I like

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like I get it but it’s not my cup of tea

azure gulch
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i think with the tentative incompleteness of gisi gisi "ke" can very much be expanded if we rlly want/need to

remote junco
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yeah

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but at the same time I think every tokiponido should allow itself at least one weirdly specific word just as a treat

azure gulch
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true

chilly urchin
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\billionaire chess

remote junco
remote junco
azure gulch
atomic halo
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im always saying this

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kipa 'ulun lu

azure gulch
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no thoughts good

atomic halo
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exaaaxrly

wicked hedge
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the sheet is done

azure gulch
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namunen si kepus m

atomic halo
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luuuu

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'uge 'i namunen si 'ulun

chilly urchin
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i love how this is teasing F like a videogame character

"... on a ❓ certain systemmate of mine"

azure gulch
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unlockable character

atomic halo
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the woke mob lus'd your sister??!?

wicked hedge
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seme a

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no

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idk if i can say the reason but she would totally use lus headnoun

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mukaski because she loves purple

atomic halo
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so true...

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really funny that the pagkan entry is "i am very new"

chilly urchin
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yeah

wicked hedge
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a a

chilly urchin
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very good all these

wicked hedge
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my gisi gisi isn't great

atomic halo
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nobody's gisi gisi is great tbh were fighting for our lives over here

azure gulch
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ka is a silly word

wicked hedge
azure gulch
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i still dont know how to use ka

wicked hedge
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i can barely remember like five words

azure gulch
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l

atomic halo
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lon.
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gisi Ka ka ka we just kind of fuck around honestly

remote junco
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ka is meant for fucking around tbh

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that’s kind of vague but it’s true

atomic halo
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there's like suggestions on the sona.pona page for what some combinations are commonly interpreted as

remote junco
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yeah!

wicked hedge
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have you ever heard of the multitude of nimisin 'ka'

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i suppose i am thinking of jan Sakawi's in particular

atomic halo
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but other than that i just used ka silen to refer to two linked things and then again to mean a thing that's aligning another thing earlier today

remote junco
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they are too obscure and short for me to run into them

wicked hedge
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nimisin ka — toki pona version marker
TL;DR: ka X la Y means Y is a sentence using nasin X
details:

  • this is a particle like li or e, but its argument is the nasin that following sentences use
  • recommended method is ka X la Y, but something like ka X en Y li Z is good especially in nasin kijetesantakalu
  • don't use ka X la Y unless you're using nasin kijetesantakalu or something else where particles can stand on their own
  • if a second ka is encountered, it overrides the first one (unless in some kind of parenthesis like pi or te/to)
  • you can use your name to mark your personal nasin
    examples:
  1. ka pu la mi moku li telo ≈ "the eating-me is washing" (pu style doesn't use extended li)
  2. ka ku
  3. ka pu la mi jan kin ≈ "I am a person!" (kin is a synonym for a in pu)
  4. ka toki Inli, mi tawa esun ≈ "I'm going to trade" (tawa means "to go" and "going" indicates future tense in English and English would use a comma instead of la there)
  5. ka nimisin ike la (put anything from this channel here)
atomic halo
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TRUEE

remote junco
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interesting

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si ‘Aska I love how chipper you are about grammatical particle headnouns

wicked hedge
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you do know i use them in toki pona too

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right

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mi e Osuka li li Osuka li la Osuka li o Osuka li a Osuka li pi Osuka

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i identify as a grammatical particle

remote junco
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also to answer your question about vocatives: yes, we have two ka constructions

azure gulch
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ka gisi gisi la mi ke

remote junco
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the sona pona page uses mine with ka gisi

wicked hedge
# wicked hedge have you ever heard of the multitude of nimisin 'ka'

others include a question particle (funnily enough, this same word was invented separately four or five times), a future tense particle, bread, several word sets based on kijetesantakalu, and i think someone once stole tuki tiki ka as a nimisin (if they haven't, i am doing it right know)

remote junco
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but I’ve seen ka kemu be thrown around and I like it too

wicked hedge
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so like "nesku 'Aska ka gisi" for "ijo Osuka o" anu sem

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e

atomic halo
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it's like importing a library a a

atomic halo
remote junco
atomic halo
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pes is also a subject marker in these cases sama nasin kijete

remote junco
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ijo Osuka o seme li pilin e sina ≈ ka gisi/kemu nesku ‘Aska g pes ‘i kemu si leme

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seme is implied by using our neat contextually appropriate phrase content dropping

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and also pes is used in both questions and vocative constructions just to be clear about the actual subject

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ka toki Nisi la lo sina ijo Osuka su en e sina li pilin

atomic halo
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toki Nisi...

remote junco
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calling it toki Nisinisi is sort of like saying toki Eigo

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the language of the English language

atomic halo
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true ...

remote junco
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definitely not a dig

atomic halo
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hehehe

wind compass
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toki toki

remote junco
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pispis

azure gulch
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ma Eigo /musi

wind compass
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toki nisi nisi
toki toki toki

remote junco
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nisi the newest nimi sin

atomic halo
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gisi Kukipuna

azure gulch
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if we're calling toki pona gisi lu i think caling gisi gisi toki Tokitoki is very appropriate and funnny

atomic halo
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nimi sin

remote junco
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toki toki would probably be more ideal yeah

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like how tuki tiki often turns into toki sike

azure gulch
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yea

atomic halo
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i love just namedropping tokiponidos natively tbh

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mi toki e tuki tiki

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sina sona e gisi gisi

remote junco
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mi tuki tiki

atomic halo
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lonnn

remote junco
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oh wait that’s also a sentence in tuki tiki ahah

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finally, mutual intelligibility

azure gulch
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win

remote junco
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oh yeah I hadn’t really mentioned it but I’ve played with the idea of reduplication being like “a lot of” or “very”

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pispis pispis ≈ based (?)

wind compass
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ooh reduplication is fun

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pispis pispis has real gulugulu gulugulu vibes
wait gulu could be a word,,,

remote junco
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I did mention it in the preamble for the sona pona article however

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YOURE RIGHT

atomic halo
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this happens in malayalam

azure gulch
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i suggested gulu for eat some time ago

wind compass
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ah nice

azure gulch
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didn't fit i thibk

wind compass
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rippie

atomic halo
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gamu supremacy

azure gulch
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gamu is really really good

azure gulch
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i don't know what u call it

wind compass
azure gulch
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buku - book
buku-buku = books

jari - finger
jari-jari (jejari) = radius

remote junco
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derivative reduplication is very common in languages that use reduplication yeah

wind compass
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trutru

remote junco
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in a sense gisi gisi does it with its name

wind compass
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I was getting into hawaiian for a while and they had a lot of thatte

atomic halo
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i was informed you can add muy before basically anything last night and it was so upsetting. like what is muy pescado supposed to be

wind compass
wind compass
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ah here it is lma

azure gulch
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same ngl

atomic halo
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makemake is a moon name

wind compass
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trutru

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or like a dwarf planet in the asteroid belt

atomic halo
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im still not very sure what derivative reduplication is tbh

azure gulch
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duplicate the word make new word

wind compass
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I think it's just when the reduplication forms a new word

azure gulch
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(not plural)

wind compass
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oop someone said it shorter than me lele

azure gulch
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i still dont know they got radius from finger

atomic halo
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having this in gisi gisi would be so funny tbh

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language of every content word having secret third meanings based on grammatical structures

wind compass
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lmayes

azure gulch
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real

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reduplicated pispis is very funny tho myb

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namako Kolisin mentioned earlier

wind compass
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trutru
pispis: the only word we can unduplicate
now it can have two secret meanings omg

azure gulch
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pis
pispis
pispispispis

atomic halo
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TRUEE

azure gulch
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we will collect

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all of the pis

atomic halo
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me as a litter box

azure gulch
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HSBDMDSKDBJDB

wicked hedge
azure gulch
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toki Jono

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ma Esan

atomic halo
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ma ethan...

chilly urchin
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Girls I went to gewt a yummy treat and yall speaked a lot

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unbebliebable

wicked hedge
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yummy treat sounds good

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now i want a yummy treat

atomic halo
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oh so kemu 'i nesku gamu lu si [uhm]

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transitive sesli ..? no thats weird

wicked hedge
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transitive sesli

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mi tomo e sina

atomic halo
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LONNN

wicked hedge
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sina kama tomo

atomic halo
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si gamu could work

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under the same principle that lanpan can be si gamu

wicked hedge
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isn't si just li

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so wouldn't these be just gamu verb

atomic halo
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i forgot gamu is already a verb and thought i had to specify transitive gamu -> si gamu for short

wicked hedge
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wait there are words that are not verbs

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i thought all words could be verbs

atomic halo
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i guess si gamu is just verb gamu and not transitive gamu

wicked hedge
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do some verbs not need si or something

atomic halo
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its verb-centric

wicked hedge
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sona

atomic halo
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same way pali is more verb than jelo

wicked hedge
atomic halo
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'ULUNNNN

wicked hedge
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they shouldn't be

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mi jelo e lipu should be just as normal as mi pali e lipu

atomic halo
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ah yeah i know thats not how they actually work theoretically but i think there is still a distinction in practice yk

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you dont really think of pali as applying pali-ness to something youre just pali'ing it

chilly urchin
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Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

wicked hedge
atomic halo
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i remember lipamanka briefly mentioned it once, something about how it says "acting as a verb" to mean something is a verb in the sentence structure and "is a verb" to group together words that behave similarly in their inherent and inferred meanings in different positions

wicked hedge
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n

atomic halo
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i may be misremembering though msa

wicked hedge
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lipamanka has unfollowed this thread

chilly urchin
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No Im hjuyst likje

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thinking dw seme

atomic halo
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^ 'ulun 'ispi

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found it

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i guess to rephrase its like. pali is more immediately recognizable to us as a verb than jelo is

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thats why you refer to jelo-verb as like. "jelo-verb" or "jelo e" or something

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its not like prescriptive official pispis its just about how we discuss the language with each other

remote junco
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things are weird

atomic halo
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tbhh

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hm. could lanpan-gamu be gotten at with modifiers

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lanpan/jo-gamu

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gamu sesli funny

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kemu 'i nesku si gamu sesli - you locationly/spatially absorb the thing - you obtain the thing?

chilly urchin
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gods i am so sorry I have bneen so not gisipilled my sagke was jojinked

atomic halo
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or flipped in reverse for some shit like sesli kemu 'i nesku si gamu - your location/vicinity assimilates the thing

chilly urchin
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Ughhh everyoen wants me ium just so irresistible (at the uni institution)

remote junco
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factual I think

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you have the rizz as the kids say

azure gulch
atomic halo
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tbhh.
tbhhh

azure gulch
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honestly what if limb word

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not hand nor leg but Both

atomic halo
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silen🥺

azure gulch
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silen works true

remote junco
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is this like pescatarian or fishy

balmy solstice
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very fish

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fish-ísimo

atomic halo
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PESCA LIKE FROM PISCES OHHHHH

balmy solstice
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i dont know anything about astrology, but pescado (sometimes shortened to pez) means fish in spanish

remote junco
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yeah

atomic halo
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piscine too im learning so much about the wor ld

remote junco
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my teacher however has taught pez as fish the animal and pescado for fish the food

remote junco
balmy solstice
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well, i never had a teacher, so I'd believe that

balmy solstice
atomic halo
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tengo carne con ti - calque of english "to have beef with"

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gender neutral pool...

wispy tendonBOT
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n, silen definition could be touched up

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we had a discussion pretty long ago by now about silen's base being a path between two points, could put down some words with that in mind to make it sounds less kepa-like

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in the same convo we also threw some shit at the wall about like "well a door is a boundary between two places its just sinpin shaped instead of linja shaped

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and concluded a hallway or stairway was more silen than a door on its own

azure gulch
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i do want to have something clarified real quick: does silen have the meaning of body or is that still experimental

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bcz i feel like every time i mention it silen comes in as well

wispy tendonBOT
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ni ala i was saying silen earlier mostly because arms and legs are palisa shaped a a

azure gulch
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a icic

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i thought "wow both times i mention sijelo, silen is here as well"

wispy tendonBOT
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mi o pana ala pana e nimi "slender" tawa toki lipu pi nimi Silen

azure gulch
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nasin li ken lili li ken suli

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nasin + linja li pona anu seme

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linja + palisa merger is a bit nnnnn for me tbh

wispy tendonBOT
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a yeah it is a nasin splitter primarily

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slender would be a secondary meaning (sama 'askalis = fuzzy textures in general) if added at all

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i kind of want to add "medium, intermediary" to the silen definition as well but it might come off as a little too. nasin-like without further context

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also "door, gateway" as a sort of lupa or selo merger

azure gulch
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frame anu seme

wispy tendonBOT
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gisi gisi scholars are still debating about whether doors and gateways are too lipu-like to be silen

azure gulch
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if anything lipu+supa tbh

wispy tendonBOT
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lon....

azure gulch
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lupa + selo is not bad maybe

wispy tendonBOT
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n, maybe ill put the silen DLC in playground so we dont forget

azure gulch
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linja + palisa
nasin + linja
lupa + selo
lipu + supa

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anu seme

wispy tendonBOT
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our train of thought during that convo was "if you think about it a door is just a really short path between rooms -> what if silen was intermediary regardless of shape -> a selo is an intermediary if you think about it -> hm but a selo stops while a silen allows"

azure gulch
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silen <- meso?

wispy tendonBOT
#

silen meso.. imagine a world

#

entry made

#

also added a little (connection?) for spice because saying "headphones ka silen laptop" earlier made us rub our chin

azure gulch
#

ka ganse silen (ganse ka nesku silen) - long????

wispy tendonBOT
#

hn, but connection also makes me lean back towards silen linja a little bit now that i write it out

#

in the same way len is cloth physically and hide metaphorically

azure gulch
#

mmm

wispy tendonBOT
#

cables are linjas, red string of fate are linjas

#

red string of corkboard is also linjas

#

hn, [selo] silen for doors? going back to the word frame

#

the door is the outline for the path

#

though you can still call doors silen, you would just be referring to the path that exists between rooms rather than the physical hole on the wall

#

much to think about.. were going to bed first though

azure gulch
#

kemu si magi lu

wispy tendonBOT
#

a!

atomic halo
#

n yeah i think ill remove door from the def and just leave gateway there

azure gulch
#

both definitions make sense in terms of silen

#

the gateway itself does not

atomic halo
#

what are your thoughts about the frame

azure gulch
#

the frame is a type of silen imo

#

if we consider the outline of something to be silen then a frame would be silen

atomic halo
#

i was thinking of the silen as more perpendicular than parallel

#

the frame tracing the outline of the door *is* the middle layer between wall and air but its like more of a border than a path

#

yk??

azure gulch
#

hm

#

i cant tell if we're in agreement or if we, via two different thought processes (one may say, silen gisi), came to the same conclusion

atomic halo
#

its so over for us tbh

#

okay so analyzing a door and the possible phrasings of a door, i have

  • the passage that connects the two rooms, certified a silen
  • the lupa in the wall, could be silen in the sense that it IS the physical analog of the path, but it's also not very linja shaped by itself so question mark
azure gulch
#

bottom line do we agree that a door frame is a silen

#

ignoring the existence of the door and the hole whence the result of a lack of door lies

#

is the frame itself silen

atomic halo
#

the frame as in the cobblestone paved road that goes through the door, or as in the wrought iron sticks that make up the shape of the door

azure gulch
#

the shape

atomic halo
#

mi la only loosely because the door and its shape isn't like. The Passageway yk it's more like a decoration around the passageway

azure gulch
#

the frame (shape) of the door is definitely a selo but not necessarily a linja

#

out of topic intermediary la is this a natu situation

atomic halo
#

now that i think of it more i can't really think of a selo that is itself silen in my definition of it

#

the silen is in either a lupa or a lack of walls altogether

#

intermediary la i imagine like. a translator between two people, or a medium that transmits messages between people and ghosts

#

the in-between or transition from point A to point B

azure gulch
#

ohhhh that kind of meaning

#

a connection

atomic halo
#

yuh

azure gulch
#

my brain

balmy solstice
#

what's silen again

azure gulch
#

just flashbacked to the times when i was figuring japanese grammar out

#

not a good memory

azure gulch
#

but the road definition +a taso

atomic halo
#

currently silen is "cable, passageway, road" and im trying to push "medium, connection, thread" into it as well

azure gulch
#

we are currently discussing linja(?) + selo(?) maybe

atomic halo
#

semantic space dictionary la it's essentially a way between two points, and we're taking that concept in different physical directions

balmy solstice
#

connection makes sense tbh

atomic halo
#

connection could extend into thread/string (literal), so the physical side of silen would be "string, road, passageway, [long thing in general?]"

azure gulch
#

road -> connection -> intermediary -> middle(?)
-> gateway(?)
-> thread -> line -> outline, frame(?)
-> thin, slender(?)

atomic halo
#

if it helps the relation to nasin is that we cut up nasin in two

#

silen takes the road side, kepa takes the order/method/pattern side

atomic halo
azure gulch
#

the silen semantic chronology

atomic halo
#

one evil thing about intermediary silen is that it steals from kusi a bit

#

kusi meaning "proxy" specifically

#

ilo and nasin also frequently butt heads in tp

azure gulch
#

i think theyre pretty separate if you think about it

atomic halo
#

if you 'ulun about it

azure gulch
#

when you 'ulun about it,,,

wicked hedge
#

generally

chilly urchin
#

yeah

atomic halo
#

'ispi si pispis

wind compass
#

gisi tongue twister omg

atomic halo
#

FOR REALL

wicked hedge
chilly urchin
#

this is a fire beat

wicked hedge
#

if gisi gisi rap ever becomes a thing this has to be the beat to one of the songs

#

tbh someone should be the gisi gisi version of djemynai / la solpa'i

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

wispy tendonBOT
#

'ispi 'uge si leme lu ka ka 'uge si 'ispi sigka'i

#

hn.. should write a more formal definition for ganse

chilly urchin
#

like 🇫🇷

wispy tendonBOT
#

LONNN

#

it is actually pretty small when written out, n

#

'askalis Nunaku o sina pilin seme tawa toki pi nimi Silen

#

pilin ala kin li pona

chilly urchin
#

Can u fill me in on da deetz

#

I haven't really been backreading much sorry knhbjhvg

wispy tendonBOT
#

just recooked our previous convo on silen from a bit ago essentially

#

o lukin e ni kin

‘askalis Kisi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) road -> connection -> intermediary -> middle(?)
-> gateway(?)

chilly urchin
#

thanks uuuuu ill check it ina sec

wispy tendonBOT
#

a!

chilly urchin
#

Oh it wasn't that far back really

#

My b a a

#

Anyway hmmm

chilly urchin
wispy tendonBOT
#

LONNN

remote junco
#

I like how there’s gendered sheep

chilly urchin
#

I think silen as intermediary feels strange

remote junco
#

🐑 🐏

chilly urchin
#

One of them is supa

#

it's awesome

chilly urchin
wispy tendonBOT
#

mi googling

chilly urchin
#

Is it the point between two things, yes. But is it an intermediary.... I wouldn't take it like that

wispy tendonBOT
#

a person who acts as a link between people in order to try to bring about an agreement or reconciliation; a mediator.

chilly urchin
#

I think that the relationship to thin and slender could also be.... weird?? because if we want to take silen to also meen the doorway part of lupa then we can't really use thin can we

wispy tendonBOT
#

we were maybe under the impression that intermediary was broader than this a a so we took it as a synonym of medium/inbetween/etc

chilly urchin
#

ah nods

#

Also intermediary in that sense with the rest of silen would also place it as a similar to "wan", wouldn't it

#

Because it's connecting two things rather than just a thing helps another thing, like kusi

#

But also it's not really "wan" because said things don't really unite, they're just "wan" in the sense that they're not disconnected anymore

#

This approach I like a little more actually.

#

Hm

#

Pacing back and forth

wispy tendonBOT
#

wan splitter into gamu/silen

#

and n yeah i was thinking

'askalis 💅 Nunaku | kulupu ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) Because it's connecting two things rather than just a thing helps another thing, like kusi

#

like proxy is a fascinating thing to note in kusi's definition

#

so a middle man that facilitates between parties is definitely a kusi

#

the same way a lot of tools are used - like you hit the nail indirectly by using the hammer

#

the hammer bridges the hand and the nail

chilly urchin
#

nods nods

#

I like this

wispy tendonBOT
#

so maybe just add these but without "intermediary" ?

nesku Nu ◐ jan Kali ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1220981267076481077 message)

chilly urchin
#

ken

wispy tendonBOT
#

medium is also a word with many meanings which is why i wanted to look for synonyms to narrow it down

#

kepa silen - network, sewing pattern, knot, bundle of hay

chilly urchin
#

medium like from understale

wispy tendonBOT
#

like from homestuck tbh ..

chilly urchin
#

the incipisphere is a sesli and the little 7 spirographs are silen 🥺

wispy tendonBOT
#

LONNN

#

skaia is sesli las'e

chilly urchin
#

ermmm more like neskuuuuuu pagkaannnnn

remote junco
#

homestuck in my gisi gisi??

chilly urchin
#

tbh the shit in the middle of skaia is ke

remote junco
#

PISPIS

atomic halo
#

PISPISSS

chilly urchin
#

the menu magi Karkat

atomic halo
#

dreamself kusi headnoun tbh [glances around]

chilly urchin
#

if u want it to be

#

It makes sense

atomic halo
#

if i feel like it tbhhh

chilly urchin
#

thbbhhh.....

#

do u feel kusi

atomic halo
#

dreamself is like your ingame character i think

chilly urchin
#

girl u ARE the ingame character

atomic halo
#

but it's ingamer than you 🥺

#

the mortal you Like Dies and it's your dreamself that godtiers

#

forever fucked up by the one image in [S] Remember where dead john wakes up on the quest bed confirming that they are separate entities

chilly urchin
#

I barelky remember much abt some specifics of homestuck but that checks out

#

I like that one trashy aquarius guy from beforus

#

what was his name again

#

Trashy is a valid name

atomic halo
#

trashy aquarius guy from beforus is what i call my ex

#

cronus

#

THE CROOONE

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

Yeah cronus was kinda chill

atomic halo
#

IT'S NOT UNFORTUNATELY💔 i have one pseudo-ex whose sign i dont remember

remote junco
#

yeah, being the Bard (iirc) of Hope does that

atomic halo
#

ya

#

[i can imagine anything pic]

remote junco
#

#randompointlesshashtag

chilly urchin
#

LMFAOOOOO

#

the Gourd of Gorp

remote junco
#

my favorite aspect, Gorp #lying #whatisiteven #tumblr

#

this reminds me of that random shower thought I had about dialoguelogs where a person would speak an image like it was a chatlog

atomic halo
#

#honesto

#

TRUEE

remote junco
#

and then the other person would be like “I’m sorry did you just Speak an Image?”

wind compass
#

gggglmfao

remote junco
#

A: so anyway i visited my friend
B: suwiniko
A:
A: i’m sorry did you just speak an image of niko
B: no

wind compass
#

shapeshifters i think

atomic halo
#

TRUE

chilly urchin
#

This is just plurals speaking in mindspace

atomic halo
#

hold on i have the perfect reaction image for this

remote junco
#

csnndjsjjd

wind compass
#

top 10 reasons why you need a handbag that's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside:

  • keep every possible image of a certain size within it so you can pull out any one of them when needed
wind compass
chilly urchin
wind compass
#

i gotta start keyboard smashing more

remote junco
#

this image is basically homestuck I think

chilly urchin
#

KJeyboard smashing is awesome

#

Raw emotion input

#

I get to see me react in realtime

wind compass
#

i even started working on a keyboard smash conlang

chilly urchin
#

dats fucked

wind compass
#

as with all my conlangs it's about 1/3rd finished but still fun

remote junco
#

“I can make a little command appear down there.”
“down where”
“wait what do you mean command”
“I’m not sure myself. I can just do it.”

Inquire more.

wind compass
#

lmfayes

chilly urchin
#

God

#

The commands are diegetic too which is funny

remote junco
#

I forget what this word means

wind compass
#

diegewhatisthat

chilly urchin
#

Existing in-universe

remote junco
#

I am not hussnasty

#

oh right

chilly urchin
#

No that's a like word outside of gomerstick

wind compass
#

i learned a new worm today

remote junco
#

hussie uses a lot of words outside of homer’s stuck

#

I am referring to his tendency to sound like an obtuse tome

chilly urchin
#

There's this one image that was like

#

The image of gary in a robe teaching homestuck by reading off a book

#

And it was like

#

Homestuck readers english majors

remote junco
#

now that’s hussnasty

chilly urchin
#

That's pretty hussnasty tbh

wind compass
remote junco
#

which one

wind compass
#

tome

remote junco
#

you didn’t know tome?!

wind compass
#

indeed
in fact it's not even "I've heard this before just never knew what it meant"

#

I've never even come across it in my life

chilly urchin
#

Huh

#

Not wizardpilled

#

That's for sure

remote junco
#

studying you like a specimen

wind compass
#

noo::(( (witchpilled)

remote junco
#

she is witchpilled I can confirm

chilly urchin
#

oh dats awesome

wind compass
#

yusyus

#

i am intrigued tho

#

is tome like a common word that I just missed

atomic halo
#

getting a bad grade at wizard

remote junco
#

nnn

#

not really?

#

depends on how nerdy and wisecracky your friends are

atomic halo
#

i only ever see it used to deliberately evoke something archaic

#

leme sili btw

wind compass
#

isee

wind compass
#

(which is why I learned it in the first place iguess lele)

remote junco
#

true true

atomic halo
#
TC: ican make little number nines Appear
AC: You...?
AC: No, come on, that's completely,
AC: You couldn't really do that?
T9C:
remote junco
#

LMAO

wind compass
remote junco
#

least abnormal hope player

atomic halo
#

tbhhh

atomic halo
#

where is gggg from 🥺

wind compass
#

gg is good game but i have stretched the meaning to be basically another "lmao"

remote junco
#

mostly good game I think?

atomic halo
#

true....

remote junco
#

yeah it’s lmao but wow I like this it is cool

atomic halo
wind compass
#

lelelefrfr

chilly urchin
#

the affricate trill

atomic halo
#

TRUEEE

remote junco
#

sprinkler

chilly urchin
#

how's ur r trill going btw i get all flustered and twirl my foot on the ground

atomic halo
#

i got magi for like a day and lost it unfortunately

#

i have to search it again like kikis delivery service

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

fucckkkk

atomic halo
#

true...

remote junco
#

doom too but I think people know that one already

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

OH BLOOD LIKE THE

remote junco
#

life also

atomic halo
#

HAHAH

remote junco
#

life is underrated

wind compass
remote junco
#

definitely not saying this as a life player

atomic halo
#

I WAS LIKE "yeah for sure i love blood pancake

atomic halo
chilly urchin
#

I dont remember what i was i should find it again

wind compass
remote junco
#

sylph

chilly urchin
#

I should just retake the tests and whatever

#

Cope

remote junco
atomic halo
#

you should use geckobone classpecting services

chilly urchin
#

Ok

#

🥺

atomic halo
#

🥺

remote junco
atomic halo
remote junco
#

like seriously there is no sylph action

chilly urchin
#

I just remember knights were like

#

trauma trauma truame

#

or whatever

atomic halo
#

:gisigkai: truame

remote junco
#

knights are pretty well explained and documented in terms of how they function

atomic halo
#

ive been meaning to expand my collection of sylph concepts because i also literally never use them ever so if you have any words about it i would love to hear

remote junco
#

it makes sense that sylphs Aren’t because like. you have Kanaya who just kind of fucks around (not notable, neutral), and then Aranea who just kind of fucks around (negative, leave Jake alone)

remote junco
atomic halo
atomic halo
#

tbh...

remote junco
#

as Aranea puts it, sylphs can accelerate the natural progression that pages must undergo in their sburb experience

#

but she remarks that it’s often dangerous and easily messed up

atomic halo
#

ship dynamic self actualization fairy godmother x pathetic hormonal boyloser

remote junco
#

since like you could overbake your page and like explode or something idk for certain

#

it’s just not a good idea and kind of a shot in the dark

atomic halo
#

HAHA

remote junco
#

really horrible way to phrase Jake and Aranea

chilly urchin
#

GODDD

#

My favorite troll was terezi though

#

on my mc profile

remote junco
#

mine was uhh idk

#

probably nepeta #boring

#

terezi goes hard

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

she is!

chilly urchin
#

She got that neurodivergency

remote junco
#

it doesn’t help that my patron troll is ass

chilly urchin
#

What

remote junco
#

equius I mean

chilly urchin
#

How do u get those

#

oh like ur irl

#

ur ilroomf

remote junco
#

oh sorry I meant zodiac sign correspondent

chilly urchin
#

lmfao uyea

remote junco
#

I forgot patron troll is a term used for the kids

chilly urchin
#

mine is feferi cuz I'm a fairy

#

or the condesce for cunty factor

remote junco
atomic halo
#

mine is feferi too omg twinsies

chilly urchin
#

no gway.....

atomic halo
#

worlds most masculinity troubled queer gets put in the girl caste asmr

remote junco
#

this makes sense, my ascendant is pisces

chilly urchin
#

I don't know anything about astrologyeven though it interests me

#

Hold on I'll find out what my ascendant is and my retrogradial and whatnot

wind compass
remote junco
#

well you’ll need to know the city you were born in and what time

#

I’m a Sagittarius mainly (this is called your sun sign)

#

this is why i said my troll is ass because equius is questionable

chilly urchin
#

Yeah I remember these

remote junco
#

but he does add to the void player database so that’s cool

azure gulch
#

good morning gisi gisi i ended the day with silen and began the day with i don't know what is going on

chilly urchin
#

Come on astrosofa dot come

#

Homestuck

remote junco
#

homestuck

azure gulch
#

that explains it

chilly urchin
#

My ascendant is gemini

azure gulch
#

i shall go back to sleep please ignore the fact that it is 1 pm

chilly urchin
#

o lape meowna :3

remote junco
#

anyway yeah it was nice(?) remembering my homestuck knowledge

chilly urchin
#

Idk why this page is telling me I'm an aquarious though

#

That's like

#

Factually

#

Wrong ???

remote junco
#

classpects have always been my favorite part to analyze

#

denial

chilly urchin
#

So now idk if I trust it

#

I'M GETTING ASSIGNED STUFF THAT'S NOT TRUE !!!!

remote junco
#

sburb I think

chilly urchin
#

sdbyurb

wind compass
#

me i think

#

i should check out this homestuck

remote junco
#

trans people in the closet

wind compass
#

frfrlm

chilly urchin
#

TBHHHH

#

still thinking of the fucking thing i drew for homestuck day

wind compass
#

or is it like you gotta buy something

chilly urchin
#

No it's free

wind compass
#

ohnice

chilly urchin
#

Just go to homestuck dot com

#

Just gotta warn u that the first chapters are kinda nothing

wind compass
#

dang

chilly urchin
#

They're not nothing but like

#

A lot of people are like "eurrmm this is boring" and it's like

#

Yeah it's the first fucking chapter

wind compass
#

isee

chilly urchin
#

But also compared to everything else they're kinda Normal

remote junco
#

you should read the boring chapters they are some of the best parts

chilly urchin
#

Yeah honestly

#

They're still good

remote junco
#

<— doesn’t really care post-troll

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

I liked the first four acts a lot

#

kind of stopped caring for the other 3

#

but then again I am a problem sleuth enjoyer so this makes sense

atomic halo
#

it is mildly a shame that they toned down the sylladex stuff

remote junco
#

I like how sylladex stuff became a meme for the progression of homestuck

chilly urchin
#

Yes

remote junco
#

we went from putting cake in our inventory to giving the universe frog cancer

chilly urchin
#

The sylladex was a genuinely awesome concept

wind compass
chilly urchin
#

Like I get it but like come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

atomic halo
#

sylladex my beloved

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

I hope Hussie gives up the rights to the sylladex

wind compass
chilly urchin
#

I should reread it

atomic halo
#

for fanventure i had a swatch modus where the item code got converted to colors

chilly urchin
#

whats fanventure

remote junco
#

fancomic

atomic halo
#

penpoish saying of mspfa

remote junco
#

I’ve reread homestuck 0 times

atomic halo
#

ive never read it. [crosses arms

chilly urchin
#

I don't feel like rereading homestuck ever

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

speaking of mspfa, spreading grassroot propaganda for synodic reboot and synodic link

chilly urchin
wind compass
#

isn't homestuck like pi^pi^pi^pi pages (whateveryoucallthem) long

remote junco
#

8123 pages

#

“pages”

wind compass
#

incredible

remote junco
#

they’re variable in length and medium

#

more like webpage than book page

chilly urchin
#

Homestuck hits you with a fun visual in one and in the other it's the equivalent to a book chapter that's impossible to read without eyestrain

wind compass
#

lmfa

wind compass
#

pov: you can't decide between dialog and dialogue

remote junco
wind compass
#

i do like silly furry beings

remote junco
#

I say “silly” somewhat misnomer-ly

remote junco
wind compass
#

oh lelele

remote junco
atomic halo
#

no way.....

wind compass
#

intriguing

chilly urchin
#

huh

wind compass
#

not like i know what a sburbventure is

atomic halo
#

these designs are very 2016 for sure

remote junco
#

jargon term for a homestuck fancomic that focuses on the fictional game, sburb

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

i hate designs

atomic halo
#

kepa kipa??🥺

wind compass
chilly urchin
#

yeah i leme sampa ka las'e kepa(or whatever the ike word is)

remote junco
#

SR is the longest one so far and is technically still being updated but it’s on a major hiatus that is working on some final updates to wrap up the story and lead into SL better

#

SL has much better quality and it tries to distance itself from homestuck ideas more

#

it’s still an mspa format mind you, it’s just trying to stand less derivatively

atomic halo
remote junco
#

yeah

chilly urchin
#

ah oiki doiki

wind compass
#

perfect timing for me to come across this

remote junco
#

it uh, well…

chilly urchin
#

there are many jorses

remote junco
#

has horses alright

atomic halo
#

a wide variety of horses on display

wind compass
#

i-despise-horses-deactivated202 isn't going to like this,,,

remote junco
#

that’s why they deactivated

wind compass
#

lelelele

#

imagine gisi gisi with a different source language for each word
I think it's close but not quite there

atomic halo
#

imagine a world......

#

spanish destruction ray

chilly urchin
#

Yuo all did this

atomic halo
#

heheheh

remote junco
#

Spanish is just goated with the sauce

chilly urchin
#

trilingual nightmare

atomic halo
#

i need to find a way to compress all the source languages with only 1 word into like a little list or something this is so unwieldy

chilly urchin
#

like a sord

atomic halo
#

like she is so huge

#

arabid on top and toki pona on bottom not featured

chilly urchin
#

me talking about a plane

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

azure gulch
#

what source languages have more than one word lets replace em with random stuff

atomic halo
#

fuck index() for not working properly inside arrayformula()

#

this isnt gonna work out oomfs. oh well!

wind compass
#

when will duolingo release an a priori course i wanna learn it

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

marsh rover
wind compass
#

lmfao yes

azure gulch
atomic halo
#

weve been on spanish parole for a while now

chilly urchin
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all the emphatic particles fucking disappear

atomic halo
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lus is the most immediately removable one because it was kind of tentative anyway

remote junco
azure gulch
atomic halo
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we should get some english etyms tbh...

azure gulch
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so true

chilly urchin
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should we....

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(phrwew!!)

atomic halo
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toki pona has had wan tu nanpa mun for too long

azure gulch
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can english take m

atomic halo
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PHEW

wind compass
atomic halo
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YEAH

remote junco
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should ==> sa

atomic halo
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LONN

marsh rover
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su

remote junco
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I like how toki pona and toki pona (glosbe) are different languages

chilly urchin
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yeah 😭

atomic halo
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YEAH

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its so funny

azure gulch
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as they should

marsh rover
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bruh

lucid bay
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🥺 tili

chilly urchin
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sanwi pi amu e tili 😈

lucid bay
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🥺 sanwi pi amu e tili

remote junco
atomic halo
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a a a

lucid bay
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qwhyis htehre sitelen pona

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rwyhaghruyfbhj

atomic halo
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the amu is so intricate

wind compass
atomic halo
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i think i might have to collapse the 1-onlys by like. chaining them together separated by semicolons then using regex to turn every other semicolon into a period and then splitting it up again

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least jank google sheets formula

azure gulch
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what if u listed by numbers of words instead of per language

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like those tier lists things

atomic halo
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that would be fun let me try

lucid bay
chilly urchin
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JBGHDVHGFD

atomic halo
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too few things work in arrayformula GAH

wind compass
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we need a gisi gisi message to make pona kulupu if one hasn't already

lucid bay
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🥺 rwharheehehe

chilly urchin
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I don't understand

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dikhdbjhgbd

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sory

wind compass
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when a message from this thread makes it onto #pona-kulupu

azure gulch
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o star e message lon gisi gisi thread

chilly urchin
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oh yeah

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I think one might have

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Let's make it more tbh

atomic halo
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TBHHH

lucid bay
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weneed tp gp onto eahch starred message adn edit them to go 🚨 🚨 o kama sona e gisi gisi . o kama sona e gisi gisi . o kama sona e gisi gisi the language woud go viral

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gisi si sigka'i

wind compass
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so true

chilly urchin
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DKNJHDJBHGDKDGJVHDHVGF

lucid bay
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owe o kama sona e gisi gisi

azure gulch
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gisi gisi pulls a kokanu moment anu seme /musi

chilly urchin
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what did kokanu do 😟

azure gulch
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i dont know im just putting in buzzwords to sound funny like SNL ☹️

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is it working)

chilly urchin
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Um

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haha

atomic halo
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most normal formula

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heres how it looks

atomic halo
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'uge 'i 'ulun ka gisi gisi 'Espanu si sigka'i

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gisi 'Espanu 'ispi ka sesli 'uge

azure gulch
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kemu 'i 'ulun ka gisi gisi 'Espanu si sigka'i ka ka g 'i lu pes kemu si leme

atomic halo
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n... lu

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'ulun gisi 'uge ka kipa namunen si pagkan, 'upune ka ka menu 'uge 'i 'ispi si gisi: 'uge si 'ispi kipa

azure gulch
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g ka las'e menu pes kemu 'i 'ulun 'ispi si sigka'i

atomic halo
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a. menu 'uge 'i gisi salin kipa

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n... pagkan 'ulun ka ka 'uge si 'ispi kipa

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menu menu si pagkan ka nesku 'uge

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writhing in pain because no negation for ka phrases btw but its fine mostly its better than the alternative

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"pagkan si 'ispi kipa ka 'ispi 'uge" g?

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the newness is not concentrated on me (im not the only one)