gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin | ma pona pi toki pona | Page 9

atomic halo Apr 18, 2024, 3:14 PM

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on the other hand ...

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:14 PM

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taso is sort of a merger of two separate things

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:14 PM

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atomic halo on the other hand ...

yeah!!

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I think ‘ispi and ‘upune have some similarity in terms of having some kind of focus related to another thing

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but ‘ispi likes to single out something within that other thing, and ‘upune likes to describe some sort of opposite to that other thing

atomic halo Apr 18, 2024, 3:15 PM

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lon....

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i always did find taso-but weird to like. figure out the thought process of but i just went with it because it was convenient a a

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:16 PM

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yeah

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although it does make more sense if you think about the nasin where taso can be analyzed as a content word meaning like, “alone”

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“but …” is sort of an exception to something

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it’s kind of alone from a context in that way

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there’s different ways you can approach metaphoric ideas of “but …”

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:18 PM

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remote junco it’s kind of alone from a context in that way

mi moku e kili la taso mi moku e soweli lon suno ni

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≈ “Normally I eat fruit, but today I’m eating meat.”

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there’s a typical thing, and then there’s an exception that’s sort of alone, isolated from this habitual context

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now of course you could also analyze but as an opposition to this context

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there’s a typical thing, and then there’s this thing that contradicts that habitual context

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I like gisi gisi it makes me think harder about things just like toki pona

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:24 PM

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remote junco there’s a typical thing, and then there’s this thing that contradicts that habit...

personally I think is probably a better thing to focus on with analyzing “but …” because it feels like “but” is trying to form an intimate connection between the context and the exception

atomic halo Apr 18, 2024, 3:24 PM

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gisi gisers realizing jasima la true potential

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:25 PM

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because you could just say like “I’m eating meat” and then someone could be all n lon la on you and got “but you usually eat fruit”

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“yeah, but today I’m eating meat”

atomic halo Apr 18, 2024, 3:25 PM

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lon..

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:26 PM

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a lot of contextual opposition with this example

remote junco Apr 18, 2024, 3:26 PM

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atomic halo gisi gisers realizing jasima la true potential

true!!

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:20 AM

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kepus (from Tagalog tapós “completed, finished”) — to end, to die, to complete, to finish, destination, result, consequence, death, to cease, to stop

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ka kepus X would be like “to achieve X”

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‘uge ‘i keles si sili ka kepus [moku pona] ≈ I fermented the carrots to make good food

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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nods nods nods

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Yeah i fuck wit hthis

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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me too!!

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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TWO gisigka'i?! in one day?!?

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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Also sorry i forgot to read up from the convo from b4

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:22 AM

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real

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nah it’s fine

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feel free to contribute thoughts about ‘upune

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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ka kepus dethroning ka kepa btw

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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nodz

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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true…

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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atomic halo ka kepus dethroning ka kepa btw

fugggg....

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kepa still isn't documentede anywhere is it

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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it's on the sona.pona page but i haven't pasted it on the sheet on account of my sloth

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:24 AM

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yeah

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 3:24 AM

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FUCKGGGG

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 3:24 AM

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ka kepa meaning “after” is still kind of tentative tbh

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:34 AM

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'a'e si kepus ka ka 'uge ka 'ispi silen

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every time a new word appears i fetch it to add to my nest (gisi gisi fear is the mindkiller paragraph)

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the day we get a "sona" i will become whole again

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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||When they finish I will other the way (?) || I keep forgetting how that second one is interoeented

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:35 AM

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gehegegd

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||i will be focused on the way. if we get a sona ill get an "i will ANALYZE/UNDERSTAND focused on the way" and sunshine and rainbows will happen||

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:36 AM

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ohhh ur
#struggling

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:37 AM

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just like in trashtalk to be real

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i need to go find more things to translate

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'upune ka ka 'uge 'i 'uge viva estúpida si gisi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:38 AM

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WHAT 😭

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what are you trying to SAY girl

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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hi

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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g 'askalis pagkan si gisi ka paka 'uge??!??!?

Screenshot_2024-04-19-12-38-46-61_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg

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LIPAMANKA???

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:39 AM

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hi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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atomic halo g 'askalis pagkan si gisi ka paka 'uge??!??!?

god okay thanks for reminding me

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Can we please settle on an interrogative it's killing me

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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WHY DOES SHE DO THATT!! LEAVE MY INBOX BEE!!!

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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atomic halo LIPAMANKA???

wut

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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I'm gonna brainstorm so much interrogative

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:40 AM

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can you spot ALL FOUR BUNNIES

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feat. the complex i live in

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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we do have an interrogative we have g-prefix for "anu seme" and we have "g [marker] pes" at the start for seme questions

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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steel rock can you spot ALL FOUR BUNNIES

'askalis ka sesli pagkan

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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oka y i think i just forgot

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after one week no gisi

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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welcome lipamanka to the sesli gisi

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:41 AM

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no hablas gisi gisi

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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remote junco welcome lipamanka to the sesli gisi

you know i get a notification every time someone says my name right

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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lipamanka hi

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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that's not actually true lol 😂

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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lipamagka

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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😆

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😝

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:43 AM

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That's so scary put that tongue back in there

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:44 AM

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steel rock you know i get a notification every time someone says my name right

I know a person who had a bot who that did exactly this

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I heavily dislike that person

steel rock Apr 19, 2024, 5:44 AM

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i mean it's funny

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hey if janet has a thing that pings sasi every time she gets pinged why can't there be a thing that pings me in a chat that i haven't been talikgnin when someone says my name

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:45 AM

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the bot I should say is something they made as a bridge system but they added the function of whenever someone said their name it would send a dm to them of the message that used their name

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:47 AM

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uhh uhm. kusi namunen 'uge si magi ka las'e sili. 'uge 'i gisi sigka'i 'Espanu si namunen kipa ka ka [sona] si magi

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'askalis pagkan 'i sigka'i gisi si kepa. 'upune ka ka 'uge 'i gisi si sili.

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:49 AM

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menu Ka‘i being the menu gisi ‘ispi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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TRUEEE

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Ok new rule

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We Need to stop adding k- words

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For a bit

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We need to Chill

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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nobody should have let me remove [t] from my consideration

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:50 AM

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We're exhausting all the minimal pairs 😭

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 5:51 AM

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ale o
toki a

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gisi gisi la mi jan sin

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seme la mi ken kama sona e gisi gisi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:52 AM

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Fuck

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Starts fumbling around a stack of papers

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o awen

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We have
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WSlLJS54HvBgEhFrwJlaTU_VXrooofKF0zD5fPQvYlI/edit#gid=0

sona pona

User:CosmicPython/gisi gisi

gisi gisi (meaning "language of expression" or "very communicative") is a tokiponido first created by namako Kolisin in March 2024, but later contributors also developed the language alongside her, such as jan Kali and soweli Noneko. The language was not made with a specific goal in mind, but namako Kolisin wanted to explore toki pona with diffe...

Google Docs

gisi gisi

Phonology

Bilabial,Coronal,Velar,Glottal
Plosive,p,k,‘ (ʔ)
Nasal,m,n,g (ŋ)
Fricative,s
Approximant,l
Front,Back
Closed,i,u
Open,e (æ),a (ɑ)
CV(s/N),(N)asal coda is -n at the end of words, but can be assimilated
assimilation is explicitly spelled out, pankan > pagkan
Bilabial,Coronal,Velar,Glotta...

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The second one is the ongoing doc

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Everything is so fucking disorganized

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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azure gulch gisi gisi la mi jan sin

kemu si menu las‘e

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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gisi gisi ka ka kemu si menu las'e

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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mi sona ala e toki sina

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:(

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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chilly urchin We have https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi https://docs.go...

mi oko

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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Oh

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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'ASKALIS KIS?!

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:53 AM

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Ok um

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Do NOT pay attention to ka just yet

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ka is not just "lo"

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it's like Diferent

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And sesi (from mini)

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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chilly urchin Do NOT pay attention to ka just yet

what i say when jSepika asks about a new nasin

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:54 AM

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DJBDHGDVGHBJDBDHJKGDVGHF

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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chilly urchin And sesi (from mini)

bdnjchejjc you did NOT just use a mini word

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:55 AM

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atomic halo what i say when jSepika asks about a new nasin

NDBSJNCJSJXJ YEAH

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it is absurd the amount of times jan Sepika gets brought up in the sona pona server

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:56 AM

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there's a server for the wiki?? what goes on in there

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:56 AM

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gay things

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well more seriously we often squabble about notability of words like aAANUSEMEmailMahjong

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which was finally banished from the wiki thanks to jan Tepo’s mind being polluted with jan Sepika

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 5:57 AM

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'0)&5"'+7_)"&$

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jan Tepo telekinetically hurling furniture across the room in rage

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:57 AM

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jan Sepika is single-handedly the spider georg of nimi sin usage for jan sin

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which is already affecting the best of us

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:58 AM

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atomic halo jan Tepo telekinetically hurling furniture across the room in rage

yeah

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:58 AM

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remote junco which was finally banished from the wiki thanks to jan Tepo’s mind being pollute...

no fucking way really???

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:58 AM

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remote junco well more seriously we often squabble about notability of words like aAANUSEMEma...

that and also doing important cool wiki stuff like making templates or something idk exactly

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:59 AM

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OHJ MY GOD

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 5:59 AM

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chilly urchin no fucking way really???

yeah he just straight up deleted a userpage lol

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it used to be an article, then a userpage, and now it’s not on the wiki anymore period

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 5:59 AM

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Yeah I remember it was On There

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god damn

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 5:59 AM

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goodbye aAANUSEMEmailMahjong

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also gisi gisi looks awesome

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:00 AM

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good riddance

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:D !

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:01 AM

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i dont see a word for visual perception?

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am i missing something

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:01 AM

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the lexicon is not complete

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so naturally Yeah

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you can help make one if you want

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:02 AM

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I made a revision page

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That we're working on

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I am gonna make the fucking checklist rn before i forget

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:02 AM

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oh i was gonna take one from cantonese but no dental stops

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hm

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:02 AM

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although personallyyyyy I might want a word similar to tula from tuki tiki that’s sort of like know/sense/feel

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:02 AM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T8pIdNcLUdPX4W6I7WHxci4-ncC3jgSqHclf8Bmllh0/edit

Google Docs

Gisi gisi - rev 1

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:02 AM

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azure gulch oh i was gonna take one from cantonese but no dental stops

t -> k

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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remote junco although personallyyyyy I might want a word similar to tula from tuki tiki that’...

We have tula at home it's leme....

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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aaa true

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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remote junco t -> k

my next suggestion was gonna be kagkag

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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I keep forgetting leme exists

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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from mandarin 看見 (kan4jian4)

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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kansan

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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were on k-word probation sorry

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:03 AM

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oh

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:04 AM

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yeah I made a dire mistake in trying to promote the glottal stop

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:04 AM

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a a a

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:04 AM

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for some reason that girl is rare af in languages which is IRRITATING

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:04 AM

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not a lot of g-codas either

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the westerner curse

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:04 AM

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yeah

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:05 AM

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Can we take some khoisan family words next or something

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:05 AM

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owo

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:05 AM

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gem - look <VIE ngắm

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:05 AM

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remote junco t -> k

perhaps t -> ‘ cockneyfy our transliteration

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:05 AM

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We're on Spanish and K- probation

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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a a a

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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remote junco perhaps t -> ‘ cockneyfy our transliteration

wa'o

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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steel rock can you spot ALL FOUR BUNNIES

i can!

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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atomic halo were on k-word probation sorry

musig from 目瞪口呆 (mu4deng1kou3dai1)

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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pa‘a ‘u ‘u‘a‘a

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:06 AM

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terrible

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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azure gulch musig from **目瞪**口呆 (mu4deng1kou3dai1)

I need to learn the little cantonese numebrs

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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its mandarin

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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I need to learn the little mandarin numebrs

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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the numbers arent fun

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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teles -> 'eles could she serve

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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i prefer the diacritics

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but

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my keynoard cant type it

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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they vary from language to language tbh

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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:(

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:07 AM

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Why are we removing t

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This is so scary

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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trying to shave down the k infection

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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steel rock hey if janet has a thing that pings sasi every time she gets pinged why can't th...

wait does she actually have that

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and why sasi

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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t was already removed what are you talking about

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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I am so scared

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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i know but like i mean like, turn some t->k into t->'

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shaving down the k infection

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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keep keles as keles for the kalo synergy

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM

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is t -> s not popular

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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good idea

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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remote junco keep keles as keles for the kalo synergy

what kalo

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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azure gulch is t -> s not popular

nii

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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kalo is the Hawaiian word for taro

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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ah wawa

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:09 AM

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keles comes from the Indonesian word, talas

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basically taro and keles have an intimate relationship

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:10 AM

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we're never getting that pipi etymology down btw

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:10 AM

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bdjsbjcjsj putting that on my to-do list

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:10 AM

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a a a

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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kales as ‘ales perhaps

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that k was from x[X] anyway isn’t it

strong tartanBOT Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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remote junco that k was from x[X] anyway isn’t it

[χ]

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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oh thank god kales/keles was fucking my balls

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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mine too

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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when the a

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:11 AM

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sina/sona but harder

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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@chilly urchin spare take

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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Hrmmmm

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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we need more ‘e- and p- words tbh

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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On one hand the alliteration is funny but on the other our vowel allohpones are a little funcked

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:12 AM

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thinks about 'espu and starts shitting and cruign

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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DON'T DO THAT !!!

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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chilly urchin On one hand the alliteration is funny but on the other our vowel allohpones are ...

true

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I was considering diphthongs for gisi gisi but decided against it

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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i believe in 'ales supremacy

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:13 AM

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perhaps that was a bad idea question mark

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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if we add diphthongs were literally never using the glottal stop ever again

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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erm… you still need it for vowel-initial words bucko 🤓

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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FUCKKK

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:14 AM

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remote junco we need more ‘e- and p- words tbh

‘e‘o for things related to hearing and sounds (mandarin 耳朶 ěrduo)

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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is a nerd emoji a jan sona ike

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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azure gulch ‘e‘o for things related to hearing and sounds (mandarin 耳朶 ěrduo)

:o

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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CIERTOO

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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azure gulch ‘e‘o for things related to hearing and sounds (mandarin 耳朶 ěrduo)

‘e‘u

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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oh yeah

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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o is not really a thing

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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whoops sorry

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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ale li pona

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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‘e‘u yeah

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:15 AM

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Ok so

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Quick brigning to speed

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this is what we're at rn

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:16 AM

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yoo gotta cage yoo ame to 'azkaliz Kiz im typig weird og accoogt of my brokeg keyboard

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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‘askalis Kis?

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Oh yeah u have to changer ur name now 💔

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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can i not keep Kisi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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U can

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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you can

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Idk why he said this

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He is dying

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On account of his old age

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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yoo cag bog like izgt kiz clozer to kit

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Ripe age of 19

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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I think it was to maximize the gisi gisi recognition

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Or something

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:17 AM

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bbsndmxncflgo

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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atomic halo yoo cag bog like izgt kiz clozer to kit

yeah but Kisi is closer to kitty

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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Kisi is good

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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i feel zo gazty zobztitotig z (voicelezz) for z (voiced)

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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now he’s turning Polish

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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DNBJKHDJVBGD

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:18 AM

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azure gulch yeah but Kisi is closer to kitty

cierto..

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:19 AM

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thật....

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:19 AM

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ka gisi ‘askalis Nunaku g what is the difference between cierto and verdad

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:19 AM

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yeag bogako

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:19 AM

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"True" vs "Truth"

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When used alone

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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qoiero eztodiar

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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Like u can say "Cierto" but not "Verdad...."

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For like "ohhh true"

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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is ciertamente like truthfully

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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"Verdad" by itself is more like "Right?"

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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also verdadero exists

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:20 AM

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"Es verdad" can be "That's true"

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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remote junco is ciertamente like truthfully

yeahp

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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zigce weg did zezli gizi get big i keep forgettig tgere are People 'ere

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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right

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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/poga /tazo gaza kig

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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-dad words are feminine right??

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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nods nods

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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remote junco -dad words are feminine right??

mmmmmmnnyes

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:21 AM

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la verdad etc.

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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Yeah i think they all are

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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edad is like age isn’t it

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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i think that's one of the weird suffixes

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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Mhm mhm

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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remote junco edad is like age isn’t it

yes

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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I need to sit down and write a bunch of Spanish vocab sometime

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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like -ema as well i think has a gender

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:22 AM

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Oh wait it's ijo Osuka speaking

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I was like

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Damn how does Kisi know this much

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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a a

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i am not kisi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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ik ik ik a a a

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I just pay Bad attention

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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impersonation

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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i've been here the whole conversation

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just didn't bother to say anything lol

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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No I know that 😭

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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wicked hedge i can!

from about here i was lon

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:23 AM

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chilly urchin I just pay Bad attention

'alapa gogako wgeg terez 'alez magi

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'alez / kalez

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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TRUE

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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actally tgiz coold be a mokazki too cierto

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:24 AM

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what are u referring to

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the ifrst or second oword

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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français ≈ gisi ‘Anse

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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kole gi

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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remote junco français ≈ gisi ‘Anse

mez prom0mz: 'Ag/ze!

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

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STOP

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I'M SHAKING YOU

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Hold on looking somthing

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:26 AM

#

A AA

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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ÔNG KỲ LẠ !!!!!!!!!

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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i feel like im watching a drunk person conducting a completely comprehensible conversation

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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i feel zo rozty agd ditzy yet egdearig zidekick zoded wit my cgoppy azz zpeecg

remote junco Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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yeah

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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a a a

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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'oge zi r2d2

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:27 AM

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god

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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ill be back og my pgoge ig jozt a zec

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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take ur time getting back og yoo pgong

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:28 AM

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LOGGGG

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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atomic halo LOGGGG

me when the teacher asks whats the symbol for logarithms

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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i wogder if i cag gizi gizi tazo ig tge meagtime

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CIERTOO

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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atomic halo i wogder if i cag gizi gizi tazo ig tge meagtime

it az fewer letter reztrictiogz + it coverz my lack of a "oo"

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:29 AM

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oo

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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oo

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:30 AM

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'oge zi gizi ka gezko 'izpi

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gizi 'izpi zi leme magi...

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gizi 'izpi zi... g.... 'opoge? tgat makez mgo zegze actoally

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tryig to zay mgaza. toki poga zpiral

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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:gisigka'i: 'opoge

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

#

A A

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:33 AM

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atomic halo gizi 'izpi zi... g.... 'opoge? tgat makez mgo zegze actoally

~~this reminds me of duke bungo hhhhh~~

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:34 AM

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CIERTO

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gizi gogo

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kusi namunen magi 'i gisi 'uge si magi. 'uge 'i kusi 'upune si 'ispi.

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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fuuuuckkkk hes on the good machine again

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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kusi 'ispi ka ka namunen si magi kipa

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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chilly urchin fuuuuckkkk hes on the good machine again

'UGE SI 'ISPIIII

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thank god 'upune is applicable in this situation or i would've died for real

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or actually maybe 'upune is applicable in a lot of situations

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because when you go from one thing to another thing you truly are establishing a temporary 'upune between those two things

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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it's like from persona

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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chilly urchin fuuuuckkkk hes on the good machine again

'a'e si gisi ka sesli kusi pagkan (????????)
i really need to learn this properl

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:38 AM

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i go to another house (this other house is jasima to the house im currently in in some way such that me switching houses currently matters

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:39 AM

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it sounds fun but idk anything abt it yet

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:39 AM

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azure gulch 'a'e si gisi ka sesli kusi pagkan (????????) i really need to learn this proper...

youre winning

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:39 AM

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atomic halo i go to another house (this other house is jasima to the house im currently in i...

(me fully knowing nobody will undergstand) ah just like umziehen

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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big red circle around derg

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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DJHKBNDBJHGVJGHD

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HIS ASS IS NOT SONAIINNGGG

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or uh fuck what was that word

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:40 AM

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no comprendo

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thinking of how we can approximate sona until we get a real sona equivalent

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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ÔNG HIỂU KHÔNNGGGGGGG

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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gisi 'ispi ka sesli 'uge - this expression/idea is at me - i remember this?

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:41 AM

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chilly urchin ÔNG HIỂU KHÔNNGGGGGGG

KHÔNG !!!

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

#

ông? 🤨

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

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yeah turns out im 80 years old

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

#

He assignmed me those pronouns

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

#

yeah i assigned it those pronouns

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'uge 'i 'ispi si gisi 'alapa - i invisibly express this - i think/know this

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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I'm the demure soft spoken mexican chị and he is the scary ông

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:43 AM

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im the scary ông baby

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS SS SS !!

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:44 AM

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atomic halo 'uge 'i 'ispi si gisi 'alapa - i invisibly express this - i think/know this

nods nods

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:45 AM

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gisi ka las'e 'askalis pagkan si magi kipa ka sesli 'uge

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no wawa making me use magi kipa is interesting because that's more like. "it hasn't faded yet" than "it's so powerful and vivid rn"

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it's retained within me

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

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magi sagke but not really

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magi is to wawa what sagke is to moli

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:47 AM

#

lon...

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gisi si kepus kipa

#

the speech has not concluded

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though i think forgetting is more magi because like. it is and then it slips

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rather than it's in a process then it concludes

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thinking about the circumstances in which death could be a magi

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not sure which ones. that's why im wondering about them

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if you're talking about someone's presence in your life they may be magi

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but from the dying person's perspectives they're more kepus

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because like ohhh ivelived a good life or something

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but in the same way when youre talking about how everyone in your life ever will die because that's how it Works it may be kepus

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their presence in your life is a process that will end

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

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a jan Kali o did you get your keyboard fixed anu seme

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:51 AM

#

a period more like

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i went on my phone where my keyboard is good and pristine

#

i was on my laptop for a sec before

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

#

how do i say pona in gisi gisi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

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We're wroking on that

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:52 AM

#

we . dont have that yet 💔💔💔

#

a a a a

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but you're free to say puna and ike as loan words in the meantime

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iki even tbh

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

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sona

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:53 AM

#

ê is closer to the high end

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:54 AM

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~~lu - good, bad (cantonese 屌 diu2)~~

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(/musi)

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 6:55 AM

#

a a

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:55 AM

#

TRUEEE

#

oh actually we do have something that gets at select flavors of ike

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'upune (it's not on the sheet yet but look it up in here)

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it's jasima/utala merger

#

reflect contrast complement oppose etc etc

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

#

We have a lot of mergers and then we have "sili"

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We're enkocentric btw

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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were eurocentric btw

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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MINIIII 🥺

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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TBHHH

lucid bay Apr 19, 2024, 6:57 AM

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🥺 omg

#

race/ethnicity merger 🥺

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

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so many 'askalis ka sesli sesli 'ispi...

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 6:58 AM

#

sesli 'askalis

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 6:59 AM

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'uge si 'UPUNE!!

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'uge 'i kemu si pukis ka kusi gisi leme

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:01 AM

#

'uge si n

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:02 AM

#

g si pes kemu...?🥺

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:06 AM

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'uge si magi

#

'uge 'i magi si leme?

#

~~dont know what im sayn~~

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:07 AM

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sina pilin e wawa ala anu seme

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:07 AM

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mi pilin lape

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:07 AM

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aa sona

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magi [pona]

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:08 AM

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magi li ike anu seme

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:08 AM

#

magi li ken neutral i think

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ive used magi a few times for lape too because like. dormant state

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:08 AM

#

nn

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inactive

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:08 AM

#

well probably get a better phrase for lape down the line if it turns out to be necessary but currently this will do

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magi 'i sagke si sigka'i < the dormant state expands your lifeforce < resting

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:10 AM

#

nn

#

icic

#

interesting

#

i might take some time to learn this tho maybe make notes

#

i see u guys r also making a logography thing

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:11 AM

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mostly the two other gisiheads im chilling

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

#

yeah i am smirks

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:13 AM

#

^ 'a'e si namunen

#

namunen is a really funny word because writing is also like in a dark room scrawling notes all over the walls connecting red thread

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red string is such a silen actually because itsthere to guide your eye between places

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silen leme - catching string

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:16 AM

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silen do be linha

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:16 AM

#

or silen 'ispi - focusing string

#

but it's better here because your sight goes down the linja like its a nasin 🥺

#

or silen kepa - sequencing string we have so many words for thread

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:17 AM

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'ispi 'ispi 'ispi

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:18 AM

#

lonnnn

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:19 AM

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'a'e 'ispi 'i 'ispi 'ispi si 'ispi

#

gisi gisi tongue twister

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:19 AM

#

this is so scary

#

😟

#

oh yeah so like

#

Animal words are so funny to me (mde them)

#

This thing externally feels like this tying

wicked hedge Apr 19, 2024, 7:19 AM

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azure gulch 'a'e 'ispi 'i 'ispi 'ispi si 'ispi

i can say that fairly easily

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:20 AM

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I made them based off of kai's pukis premise

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:20 AM

#

it's like a little tune

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mi mama pi nimi pukis

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silen 'askalis - yarn

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/ small intestine

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:21 AM

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hair

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or would that be sigka'i 'askalis

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:22 AM

#

i called hair sigka'i once and thought that was pretty awesome yeah

#

it can be silen too though yeah

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:22 AM

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mammal mold

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:22 AM

#

maybe longer hair has more silen potential as it gets more nasincore and less puwacore

#

MAMMAL MOLDDD

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:23 AM

#

god

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:23 AM

#

turn based game be like musi kepa btw

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:24 AM

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ke paka

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:24 AM

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hm.. sesli 'upune to say the ends of a string/stick?

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:25 AM

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wow i just realised if thre was a numeral system i can probably translate the names of mahjong tiles in gisi gisi

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:25 AM

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big red text over your head that says QUEST GAINED

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:25 AM

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mahjong in gisi gisi before mathematics 💪

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:26 AM

#

magong....

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:26 AM

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atomic halo big red text over your head that says `QUEST GAINED`

mahjong in toki pona still unfinished and im already hopping onto my next side quest

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:26 AM

#

hehehe

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:26 AM

#

all the while ignoring my colleg work

#

💪

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:26 AM

#

kepus pagkan tbh

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:27 AM

#

oh kepus is a word

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:27 AM

#

azure gulch all the while ignoring my colleg work

same 💪

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:27 AM

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silen kepus pagkan si las'e - a new end-path has begun

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:28 AM

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'uge 'i silen pagkan si paka

#

first sentence without dict ref ! im geting there

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:29 AM

#

youre so sigka'i gisi rn

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:29 AM

#

fr

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:30 AM

#

heheheh

#

Yall gott to tremind me to make gisi word descriptions with the cumulative gisi knowledge

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:31 AM

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i like how the etym for sigka'i is 蘚苔 but i keep thinkin its 盛開 which has a roughly similar meaning

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:31 AM

#

no way.. what's it mean

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:31 AM

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to bloom

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:31 AM

#

that's so cool actually

#

gisi gisi accidental pun

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:31 AM

#

its pronounced almost exactly like sigka'i in hokkien actually

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:32 AM

#

thoughts on leme etymology

#

did i tattoo penis balls in japanese on my arm

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:33 AM

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i know a musician by the name of leme

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:33 AM

#

no way....

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:33 AM

#

used to listen to his music all the time

#

浪漫 means romantic

#

yeah its valid methinks considring the other words' etyms

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:34 AM

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hell yeas

#

its because i heard a single factoid from my uhh literature teacher in middle school once that it translates literally to water spilling over or something

#

and i was like so true. literally me

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:35 AM

#

atomic halo did i tattoo penis balls in japanese on my arm

u should

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:35 AM

#

atomic halo its because i heard a single factoid from my uhh literature teacher in middle sc...

yes originally it means wantonly or indulgent

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:35 AM

#

polla estúpida

#

do you guys think iiim wanton and indulgent 🥺

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:35 AM

#

it was later borrowed for "romance" bcz it sounds like "roman"

#

but!

#

the chinese werent the ones who did it

#

it was the japanese (shocker)

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:36 AM

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good loird

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:36 AM

#

because 浪漫 in japanese is in fact pronounced "rouman"

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:37 AM

#

atomic halo do you guys think iiim wanton and indulgent 🥺

wonton

#

slurp

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:37 AM

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ur like wonton sups

#

i havent eaten wonton i think

#

its so sad

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:37 AM

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no way...

#

i will bring you. To eat good wonton

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:38 AM

#

YAYYY

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM

#

moku 'Antan

#

'Ansan

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM

#

what if

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM

#

the menu Ka'i crave /t/

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM

#

😭

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM

#

what if

#

'on'on

#

for

#

food

#

etym from wonton

#

pleading_face i am isipining pakala

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:45 AM

#

hehhbjgdvh

#

ur good 😈

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 7:45 AM

#

kemu si magi

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:47 AM

#

~~im gonna bfr i read that sentence as if it were malay and was so confused why u were calling me "Instant Noodle (nickname)"~~

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:47 AM

#

😭 wwhat !!!

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:47 AM

#

si is a name/nickname article in malay

#

its like Lil' in a sense but not really

#

and maggi is an instant noodle brand

#

so. si magi

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:52 AM

#

Ohhhh

#

Is is the same maggi that makes those soy sauce bottles

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 7:54 AM

#

oh it could be

#

ah yeah it is

chilly urchin Apr 19, 2024, 7:55 AM

#

ah aweomse

atomic halo Apr 19, 2024, 9:24 AM

#

maggi Kisi tbh

azure gulch Apr 19, 2024, 10:28 AM

#

demoted from animal to soy sauce ☹️

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 3:04 AM

#

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 3:04 AM

#

DJBHGDDHGVFCDGFCHDJHGDVHJG

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 3:04 AM

#

contrasting 'upune with 'ispi chronicles volume 4

#

'uge 'i gisi 'Ispi 'i gisi 'Upune si 'upune

#

actually that makes a good question

#

can 'upune verb mean like. the subject causes the objects to oppose

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vs the subject is opposing the object

#

it's like mi utala e ona > either i fight them or i cause them to fight

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 3:06 AM

#

nods

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 3:07 AM

#

gisi gisi word form transmogrification struggle tweets

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 3:07 AM

#

I think it's not that it can, it's thjatit does
Flips you around like a beetle
'uge 'i [sijelo] kemu si upune ka kanesu keles

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 3:07 AM

#

lon...

#

the wonders of verb transformation

#

hm.. to battle something can also be analyzed as to make that thing your opponent

#

this kind of happens with some tp verbs like mi moku e ijo > i make it food > (likely) i eat it

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or the kepeken't way of mi ilo e ijo > i make it a tool > (likely) i use it

#

the moku case can also be > i eat it > (very likely) i make it food

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but at that point it probably stops mattering

#

because afaik the like word form transformations in the first place are more like observations of patterns rather than hard rules

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 3:12 AM

#

nods nods nods

marsh rover Apr 20, 2024, 6:00 AM

#

remote junco jan Sepika is single-handedly the spider georg of nimi sin usage for jan sin

who is spider georg

#

YOU ACTUAL-

wispy tendonBOT Apr 20, 2024, 6:05 AM

#

ka kemu menu Sipike pes gisi las'e

#

g si pes leme kemu

wispy tendonBOT Apr 20, 2024, 6:30 AM

#

a'e' 'i gisi si sigka'i kipa...

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 6:31 AM

#

pñuna...

#

no

#

Do we have "exist"

#

ka sesli

#

calque

wispy tendonBOT Apr 20, 2024, 6:32 AM

#

no bonito...

#

we dont 💔 the most recent suggestion is just a si with nothing after it

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 6:32 AM

#

Oh right

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 7:37 AM

#

is there a doc i can read to learn this

lucid bay Apr 20, 2024, 7:38 AM

#

i think all there is so far are documents for vocabulary, but not much for how to use the words

#

o lukin ; https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T8pIdNcLUdPX4W6I7WHxci4-ncC3jgSqHclf8Bmllh0/

Google Docs

Gisi gisi - rev 1

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 7:39 AM

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chilly urchin We have https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi https://docs.go...

@balmy solstice 'ispi

lucid bay Apr 20, 2024, 7:39 AM

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oohhh yas

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 8:05 AM

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'uge si pukis m

lucid bay Apr 20, 2024, 8:05 AM

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kemu si pukis musawi

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 8:07 AM

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'a'e si pukis

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 8:14 AM

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if i wanted to do a "X li seme" type question, how would that go?
"g pes X" or something like that?

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 8:15 AM

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I had propozed to change the word order once and Kolisin proposed that the asked item could be at the beginning

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But idk if we ever agreed on anything

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so like yeah g pes X would be that

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experimentally

lucid bay Apr 20, 2024, 8:15 AM

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ohhhh

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is pes sbject marker now

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🥺 like en 🥺 from toki pona 🥺 🥺

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 8:17 AM

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Ya

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pes was always en

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It just got propmoted 2 invisible subject marker a bit ago

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 8:18 AM

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gisi gisi ka ka g pes pona

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 8:19 AM

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despair

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we dont have a word yet

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actually fuck it

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im gonna go etymology hunting rn

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we have the concetp

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I got it guys "good" will now be "Kan" from like "Immanuel Kant"

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 8:21 AM

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pukis si [REPLACE THIS WORD LATER; PLACEHOLDER]

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 8:22 AM

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gwat

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ohhh

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i agree

wispy tendonBOT Apr 20, 2024, 8:24 AM

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'uge si pukis 😈

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i need to fix my name sstill . we forgot

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 8:25 AM

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'uge si pukis Kila

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 9:18 AM

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chilly urchin we dont have a word yet

i kinda really wanna use lu for either good or bad per my joke proposal

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from cantonese 屌 and vietnamese đụ

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 9:19 AM

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~~content word m for pona~~

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 9:20 AM

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i find the concept of using a vulgarity as the etym for something Completely Normal And Positive to be very funny

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 9:23 AM

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will ponder in the morning when i am not on the verge of passing out

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fknfhbjhg

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 9:25 AM

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pispis - real, honest, truthful; correct, right; serious, important; real, genuine, existent [from Russian без пизды "no kidding (lit. no pussy)")

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:46 AM

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are we gising in chat

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 9:47 AM

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No girl ka 'ispi uge si magi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:48 AM

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FUCKJKK

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:48 AM

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balmy solstice if i wanted to do a "X li seme" type question, how would that go? "g pes X" or s...

this would be

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g si pes X bte

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 9:49 AM

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bte

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:49 AM

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empty seme part marker

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also what the hell have we always had anu seme questions change the order

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ah right yeah

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 9:50 AM

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Jjjmnn not anu aeme

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Just seme

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Right

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:50 AM

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balmy solstice if i wanted to do a "X li seme" type question, how would that go? "g pes X" or s...

Did you move my vase?

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 9:53 AM

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balmy solstice 'uge si pukis Kila

kemu si pukis Kila !!!

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sesli gisi si sigka'i sigka'i

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menu si 'ispi ka sesli sesli gisi owe

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 10:15 AM

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oh right its sp not ps

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 10:15 AM

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azure gulch **pispis** - real, honest, truthful; correct, right; serious, important; real, g...

'uge si Update

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 11:13 AM

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PISS PISS !!

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 11:14 AM

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azure gulch 'uge si Update

kemu 'i gisi si pagkan tbhh

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gisi 'upune ka ka kemu 'i 'a'e si sili n...

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 12:17 PM

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balmy solstice if i wanted to do a "X li seme" type question, how would that go? "g pes X" or s...

g si pes X

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 12:19 PM

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atomic halo also what the hell have we always had anu seme questions change the order

anu seme is mostly not resorting to topic-first word order and just kind of having g at the end and/or the beginning of the sentence

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:24 PM

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slay.

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:43 PM

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'uge si kusi namunen pagkan m!

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'uge si SAGKE

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'uge 'i gisi pagkan si 'ispi ka sesli kusi kepa

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g si pes gisi pagkan

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'upune... kepa....

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i also dumped the sona.pona link on the google sheets for quick access

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:47 PM

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'uge 'i 'ispi si leme
pispis si gisi pagkan ka sesli gisi gisi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:48 PM

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m....

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oh yeah btw leme is transitive pilin

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like moku suwi li pilin pona e mi

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:49 PM

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did i use it wrong

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:50 PM

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did you.... pushes up my reading glasses

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what did you intend to say

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:52 PM

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"i feel this:
pispis (should become a) new word in gisi gisi"

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:53 PM

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aa

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i was reading it like "i affected this" like pispis caused me to start fervently working on the google sheet a a

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gisi can be used for think!

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gisi is like. "expression, meaning, inner monologue" and ive used it for concept or thought a few times

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:55 PM

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ah yeah true

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i guess its bcz im more used to using "pilin" instead of "toki" for thought

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so i do the same for gisi gisi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:55 PM

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gisi makes me joyous because i already want to use toki more that way, like. idea wrapped up into a single Thing

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:56 PM

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gisi gisi 'i gisi gisi si gisi gisi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:56 PM

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gisi 'alapa could specify thought.. invisible expression

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TBHHH

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added kepus to the sheet i think that should be all

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:57 PM

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atomic halo gisi 'alapa could specify thought.. invisible expression

lots of words and concepts i need to wrap my head around honestly

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:57 PM

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learning a tokiponido be like that

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:57 PM

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i havent been gisiing a lot so i need to brush up on that perhaps

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:57 PM

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nunaku has been talking about writing semantic space bits sometimes

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it comes naturally to me because i was there to see it all and thus got each word gently dripfed to me over the course of one thousand years

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:58 PM

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lipumanka (taso gisi gisi)

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:58 PM

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TBHH

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 12:59 PM

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atomic halo it comes naturally to me because i was there to see it all and thus got each wor...

mmm wish i was there maybe

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the discord break was good for me tho

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 12:59 PM

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tbhhh tbhhh

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magi ka nesku kusi Sisku 'i kemu si sagke

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 1:00 PM

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'uge 'i leme magi 'uge si kepus

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:01 PM

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atomic halo magi ka nesku kusi Sisku 'i kemu si sagke

m

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:04 PM

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balmy solstice 'uge 'i leme magi 'uge si kepus

TBHHH

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:07 PM

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honestly i think im having a lot of fun with this

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its fun

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:11 PM

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gisi gisi 'i kemu si leme pona :]

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oh right so my ruminations so far on leme (we haven't toyed with it a lot because there's like. not much use for it when no pona or ike

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 1:12 PM

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pispis!!!

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:12 PM

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the base idea on it is transitive pilin like a word that means Affect instead of feeling

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so you can say youre being leme'd by fatigue or a really bright light or a poem

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a menu leme could be someone with a lot of presence or someone whos sensitive

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and uhhh when we get more words ill try to futz around with leme for more sensory stuff

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'ispi 'i [kute] 'uge si leme or something

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:16 PM

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i already forgot my proposal for visual stuff

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but i remember sounds/ear/hearing i suggested 'e'o

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i think a while back there was a sona kulupu suggestion for a separate nimi for ear and i also suggested eto

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耳朵 is just such a fun word for no reason

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:17 PM

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i couldnt find it oomfie

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:18 PM

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'e'o or eto

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:18 PM

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'e'o

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oh or wait you changed it to like 'e'u 4 seconds after right

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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Oh RIGHT

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fuck

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i forgot o is not a real thing

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insert get out of my head meme here

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:19 PM

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azure gulch ‘e‘o for things related to hearing and sounds (mandarin 耳朶 ěrduo)

it wasn't popping up in search because you have bizarre iphone apostrophe

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why is the mandarin word fun what's up with it

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:20 PM

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nuh uh it was an intl keyb alt char or sumn

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:20 PM

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’

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«» ohoh

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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atomic halo why is the mandarin word fun what's up with it

nothing really its just uhm

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its just funny

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:23 PM

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azure gulch nuh uh it was an intl keyb alt char or sumn

alt 9 that was it

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:24 PM

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thinking.. kutecentric vs kalamacentric

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:24 PM

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por que no los dos

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 1:25 PM

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mucentric

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:25 PM

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kute la, you can keep kute for hear, thinking leme kute could be the experience of hearing sound and 'alapa kute could be like. the sound itself for more objective not sensory based talk of sound

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kalama la, you have kalama. an ear can be a kusi kalama if you so desire

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:26 PM

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azure gulch por que no los dos

cierto....

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 1:26 PM

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eyes are just kutes for visuals

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:26 PM

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okay i know this is stupid but

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'e'u also for the meaning "only" what thinks

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from the literary chinese particle 耳

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no i do not understand why they used this character specifically yes it is very funny

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:29 PM

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TRUE???!

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 1:29 PM

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isn't that like ear or something idk

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:30 PM

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yes

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exactly

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its apparently a shortening of 而已 ("and end" -> "only, just")

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 1:30 PM

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i just dont think it would work out tbh..... tbh.... [crosses my arms apprehensively]

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 1:30 PM

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fair

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it was a silly idea anyways

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:04 PM

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ka kemu 'askalis Kisi g pes kemu 'i gisi kemu si magi kipa

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kemu si mukaski magi g

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:07 PM

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atomic halo ka kemu 'askalis Kisi g pes kemu 'i gisi kemu si magi kipa

g????

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g si gisi pes kemu

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:08 PM

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gisi 'uge si namunen pagkan

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gisi kemu si namunen kipa si magi

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:09 PM

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nnn

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gisi 'uge si Azure (HTML) (#F0FFFF) g

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:12 PM

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pagkan magi magi

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g si pona pes 'ispi

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:14 PM

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nnn

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:18 PM

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atomic halo g si pona pes 'ispi

~~i just realised this means "is this good" and not "what is good about this"~~

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~~im a bit slow im sorry~~

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:18 PM

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a a its cool

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i also read your response as "its pretty good. its nostalgic" or something like that

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:22 PM

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a a musi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:23 PM

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still need to futz around with the colors btw tbhh

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light pink is my blind spot

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mukaski magi or kales mukaski or mukaski kales etc etc

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might be mukaski magi tbh.

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:25 PM

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honest magi is such a good word

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:25 PM

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getting a good grade at word ??

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:26 PM

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i see you looking at magi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:26 PM

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hehehe

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dont worry about it

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:26 PM

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its a good word

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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mukaski is that from japanese

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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yesh

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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yeah

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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its so funny that my gisi gisi portfolio is like. colors and lizard and oddly specific gay people imagery

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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I transliterated it kind of badly

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mulaski could be better

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:28 PM

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i like the uniqueness of mukaski

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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mukaski sounds Distinct™️ though

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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me too

final frost Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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nnn mi oko e lipu. ken la mi ken kama sona sama toki Wiossa anu seme

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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alasa li ken a a a

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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saying pagkan like pagkag

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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true...

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:29 PM

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viossa spoilers ||musi la toki Wijosa la nimi 'murasaki' li lon||

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:30 PM

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word for moss before word for good/bad is so based

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:30 PM

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TRUEE

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:30 PM

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also just realizing you could say sesli ‘Agkag

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for hong kong

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:30 PM

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but what about the default -n for nasal codasss 🥺

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:31 PM

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I need to suppress the mini urges

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:31 PM

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a a

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okoing at pispis really gently btw

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thinking about the points in which it differs from lon

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:33 PM

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it does take a lot from lon tbh

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:33 PM

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the [serious, important] being a Part of The Word is quirky i must toy with it

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:33 PM

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i want it to have more meanings with the serious part tho

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i wanted to add "careful, prudent, solemn" but that wld be a lot

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:33 PM

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nods sagely

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:34 PM

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hm interesting

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I’ve always had problems with expressing that I care for something in toki pona

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not quite awen not quite pona tawa mi not quite olin

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:35 PM

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i would like that area of the definition to be like. dissected more i think? like try to toki pona e it

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see what lay at the careful, prudent, solemn, serious, important venn diagram

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:35 PM

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well serious is just musi ala right off the top of my head

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:35 PM

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true. a a a

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:35 PM

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when i put in the meanings

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the only thing i was thinking of was 真

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Từ điển Hán Nôm... save me...

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:36 PM

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and at some point that shifted to 重 which i then implemented as "serious"

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:36 PM

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ahhh chân i see

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:37 PM

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remote junco well serious is just musi ala right off the top of my head

but at the same time I don’t want there to be a word for serious and then the word for silly is just not-serious

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:37 PM

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the lon parts of pispis could be tied to physicality?

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just throwing ideas out

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:37 PM

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idk about you but I use /musi because I like to dole out truth with smiles tbh

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:37 PM

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trueee

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:37 PM

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same

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:38 PM

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so like I say a funny thing but it’s TRUE and SERIOUS but with a silly goofy whimsical air because we need more of that

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:38 PM

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i think the word for silly can definitely have more meanings other than just serious-ala

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:38 PM

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and I don’t like /j because it has the energy of “this is not serious please disregard”

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:38 PM

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/smiling /prancing /sunshine

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:39 PM

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atomic halo the lon parts of pispis could be tied to physicality?

ooh what if going off the physicality thread the "serious" side is also more like. pragmatic/practical

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:39 PM

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sunshine gives me ideas but then lus is a thing

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:39 PM

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concrete

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:40 PM

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when you said physicality I was thinking like tangible

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‘alapa/pispis minimal pair??

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:40 PM

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tbhhhh

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gisi gisers have discovered kon/sijelo

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:41 PM

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gggg

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not the gisi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:41 PM

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a a

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:41 PM

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but yeah like basically kon/sijelo

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undermentioned pair

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I need to make a chart of all of the conceptual minimal pairs of nimi pu

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:42 PM

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saying all of this because i know chân as like. the "down-to-earth" kind of real btw like the same logic that makes lon mean both existent and Here

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:42 PM

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interesting

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:43 PM

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wait i have a shitty chinese based conlang that had 真 and it has a lot of shit lemme go find it

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atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:43 PM

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chinese based conlang where your script has 9 billion characters and none of them are in unicode

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:44 PM

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fun fact that was Indeed the initial idea

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:44 PM

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picrew hand ideas is OUT chinese conlang radical ideas is IN

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:45 PM

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azure gulch wait i have a shitty chinese based conlang that had 真 and it has a lot of shit l...

this stung me after i remembered we have 'ispi which can be in the zone of precise/exact

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:46 PM

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augh yea 'ispi

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:46 PM

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azure gulch

thing

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:47 PM

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atomic halo chinese based conlang where your script has 9 billion characters and none of the...

chu nom I think?

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:47 PM

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chu nom is funny tho

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and it was serious

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it was. Musi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:48 PM

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TRUEEE

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:48 PM

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lon a

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thinking about biang

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:48 PM

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remote junco thing

/tʰiːŋ˥˥/

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:49 PM

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remote junco thinking about <:biang:796673465863110707>

gisi gisi pan/moku equivalent ????

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:49 PM

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this is making my vietnamese mind frown

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:49 PM

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azure gulch /tʰiːŋ˥˥/

tawa ni

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:49 PM

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sorry

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 4:49 PM

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𰻝

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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azure gulch /tʰiːŋ˥˥/

this is just having a dental-fricative-lacking dialect in English tbh

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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˥˥ looks like its like. just high no slide right

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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so this would pass as “thing” in English

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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idk how to read these

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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atomic halo ˥˥ looks like its like. just high no slide right

yes

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just high no slide

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which admittedly looking back on it now is really stupid

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:50 PM

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we only have that with plosive codas here im like short circuiting trying to pronounce it

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:52 PM

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ndnsjcbjs

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plosive codas are funny because I always think about them and I’m like “damn these things are going to vanish in language evolution”

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me when my sound is no sound at all

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:53 PM

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mandarin speakers

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:53 PM

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and our plosive codas are no release too can you believe that...

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:53 PM

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azure gulch mandarin speakers

true…

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:53 PM

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me when my sound is sound is no sound

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:53 PM

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i tried to record a bit for nunaku yesterday but my like lightly bad audio quality made it nigh impossible to distinguish between them

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yesterday? this afternoon.

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:54 PM

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its so weird bcz i speak a language with no release plosive codas too (speak is a stretch; know maybe?)

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and i dont know how i distinguish it either

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its like wow okay i just know this sound that doesn't exist exists

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:55 PM

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its mildly context but its also like you just Know when you speak in person

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:55 PM

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~~'alapa coded~~

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:55 PM

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azure gulch its so weird bcz i speak a language with no release plosive codas too (speak is ...

for a second I thought the word “speak” was the stretch

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:55 PM

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its like a really gentle difference that will be immediately eviscerated the moment youre on a zoom call at which point you rely on lexicon and intuition instead

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:56 PM

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English is interesting because its solution to plosive codas is to syllabicize them

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spea-k

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:56 PM

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lon...

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:56 PM

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remote junco for a second I thought the word “speak” was the stretch

a a a

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:57 PM

#

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:57 PM

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remote junco English is interesting because its solution to plosive codas is to syllabicize t...

is it bad that i still pronounce it with no release :9

wind compass Apr 20, 2024, 4:57 PM

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in english that's pretty normal

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:57 PM

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i say /spik̚/ ish

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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i do that sometimes

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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remote junco English is interesting because its solution to plosive codas is to syllabicize t...

this when i want to be very clear

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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azure gulch is it bad that i still pronounce it with no release :9

not really

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I was just saying what I see

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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but generally i liaison it onto the next word

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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Jfc y'all speaked so much

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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atomic halo

p p k k t t am i wrong

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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gisi si sigka'i

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 4:58 PM

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speak it -> spea k(not aspirated)it

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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oh true

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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What happened

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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azure gulch p p k k t t am i wrong

youre right ! youre lucky you guessed this because if you had asked me tomorrow i would have Forgotten and been completely incapable of guessing it again

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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wicked hedge but generally i liaison it onto the next word

oh same actuallt

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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English is really becoming French now, it inherited liaison

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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atomic halo youre right ! youre lucky you guessed this because if you had asked me tomorrow ...

p is particularly distinctive actually

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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tbhh

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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k and t are a bit difficult bcz yknow

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vietn

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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actually i think i forgot it immediately too. yeah no that is pp tt kk

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 4:59 PM

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gisi gisi accesible to vietnamese speakers real?

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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you mixed up the t and k and i also forgot the t and k were both getting our asses beat

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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wicked hedge speak it -> spea k(not aspirated)it

speak to is an interesting case

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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remote junco gisi gisi accesible to vietnamese speakers real?

TBHH

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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atomic halo you mixed up the t and k and i also forgot the t and k were both getting our ass...

yeah tbh i hesitated a bit there

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my first instinct was both are the same

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which in dialects, They are

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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it kind of goes into one /spiktu/

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/spi.ktu/ i guess

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t aspirated, k not

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:01 PM

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tbhh

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 5:01 PM

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i actually don’t aspirate the /t/ in this case

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:02 PM

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interesting

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and odd

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i often think i'm not aspirating something and i am

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:02 PM

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its kinda funny that the coda /p/ is more distinctive on account of the acoustics of your lips slapping together

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 5:02 PM

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it drops to like

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x ["spij.ktU]

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skunk noises

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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x["spij.ktU]

strong tartanBOT Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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balmy solstice x["spij.ktU]

[ˈspij.ktʊ]

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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thank you

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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skunk fail

remote junco Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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phone copypaste is sad and dumb

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:03 PM

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'askalis si KEPUS

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:04 PM

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chilly urchin What happened

zsoweli

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:04 PM

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^ limmy waking up

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i got my new keyboard so i added all our new words to the dictionary

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had discourse about 'e'u and then had discourse about pispis

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:06 PM

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Wawa

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What were those two again

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:07 PM

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'e'u was the people crave for kalama/kute

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pispis is real, honest, truthful; correct, right; serious, important; genuine, existent

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we were playing around with like adding more words to the serious, important group

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and also pispis/'alapa sijelo/kon real

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:09 PM

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What is the serious important group

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:09 PM

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the two definitions that say serious, important and we were trying to like elaborate more on it

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:09 PM

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azure gulch i wanted to add "careful, prudent, solemn" but that wld be a lot

see here

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Nods I'll check it in a Bit then when I'm less leme and magi

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:11 PM

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^ leme and magi

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:11 PM

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atomic halo 'e'u was the people crave for kalama/kute

wait is there like passive voice or something

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:11 PM

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there isnt 💔

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:13 PM

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Yeah there is just add the word for "ken" in front of the subject and then the agent after "ken" so-

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:13 PM

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TBHH

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:15 PM

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wait where is the documentation again

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:16 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WSlLJS54HvBgEhFrwJlaTU_VXrooofKF0zD5fPQvYlI/edit

Google Docs

gisi gisi

Phonology

Bilabial,Coronal,Velar,Glottal,https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi
Plosive,p,k,‘ (ʔ)
Nasal,m,n,g (ŋ)
Fricative,s
Approximant,l
Front,Back
Closed,i,u
Open,e (æ),a (ɑ)
CV(s/N),(N)asal coda is -n at ...

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the kusi namunen

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i also pasted the sona.pona page haphazardly just like off the side of the phonology sheet

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for grammar purposes

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:16 PM

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someone should like pin it

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:16 PM

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We can't

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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can you believe we still have a pinned messages box even though we cant pin

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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wait i think the thread owner has to do that

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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i think kolisin has tried a a

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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i'm pretty sure there's a bot that pins messages if the owner does pin emoji

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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Zang

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:17 PM

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:gisigkai: seg

chilly urchin Apr 20, 2024, 5:19 PM

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sag

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seg

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:19 PM

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is it just me that thinks that phonotactically you could just have obstruents

Screenshot_2024-04-20_at_10.19.43_AM.png

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do as many east asian languages do and treat s as if it were a plosive

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 5:20 PM

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g si pes obstruent

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:20 PM

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n?

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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obstructs airflow

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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yes

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what is "g si pes" though i need to like learn this language

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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g indicates question

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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cool

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:21 PM

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si is sama li

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pes is sama en

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but also subject marker

balmy solstice Apr 20, 2024, 5:22 PM

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nasin kijetesantakalu en

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:22 PM

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yes

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:22 PM

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wicked hedge is it just me that thinks that phonotactically you could just have obstruents

s is special because coda -s 🥺

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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is s not an obstruent tho

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only /l/ is a sonorant here (ignore vowel

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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s is an obstruent

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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it is but wouldnt merging the rows into just an obstruent row imply its free variation

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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n

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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bit hard to do a coda -t

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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nnn

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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not necessarily

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:23 PM

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oh sghi for real

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:24 PM

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also i'm curious what you do for hawaiian speakers
there is no s

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also no t

azure gulch Apr 20, 2024, 5:24 PM

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azure gulch only /l/ is a sonorant here (ignore vowel

forgets about nasals (Crying)

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:24 PM

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a a a

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:28 PM

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Screenshot_2024-04-20_at_10.28.42_AM.png

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went down a hawaiian rabbit hole

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:29 PM

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kopala..

wicked hedge Apr 20, 2024, 5:29 PM

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i thought there was no s in hawaiian

atomic halo Apr 20, 2024, 5:30 PM

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could be that they made a new sound for loan words only question mark ?

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source: my language did that once

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well i guess they didnt Make A New Sound more like they made a spelling for a new cluster of existing sounds

#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin