#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin

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tru

remote junco
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it’s pretty much toki pona but with a spicy new particle

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and SOV word order dont forget

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sov my beloved

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sov like hit game soulsov from gigidigi creator of cucumber quest and artist for the deltarune series

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gisidigi

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TRUEEEE

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how to be best conlamg:

  • must have the four vowel system i u æ ɑ
  • must have cv syllable structure with some fricatives and nasals thrown in as codas sometimes
  • must have sov word order
    if you dont have all of these things then bad languag!1
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gonna make a new conlang critic series where i just evaluate all the languages using these criteria

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lojban should do this

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so true

atomic halo
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a programming language having osv would be so funny actually... imagine

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vso i mean

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verb(subject, object);

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lon

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gg
do sov and make all your functions funny
(subject, object)verb

remote junco
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jan utala pi toki kili

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lma tru

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atomic halo
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kolisin when's the jasima word with utala merger suggestion from jan Kali dropping

remote junco
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botanical jargon warrior

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lmfa

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sili ka ka ...

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sjw is so 5 years ago
now we complain about bjw's

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LONN

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ban for using the wrong indefinite article!

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kolisin rolls worst linguistics forced to democratize gisi gisi

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gisi kulupu omgomg

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(how to say kulupu in gisi gisi)

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gisi kulupu !!!

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no kulupu yet :[

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rippy:((

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tbh...

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for kulupu in other contexts though we do have kepa - arrangement, sequence, pattern

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trutru I did consider that

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nasin got split into kepa for pattern and silen for path in the divorce

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intriguing
I never knew nasin could mean pattern

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it means order and way of being which could be patterned or tidy

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patterned being a word is fucked up.

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oh mi o lape though lawa li lukin e mi

chilly urchin
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thinks hard about it and nods

chilly urchin
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It just fell on me

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How long have we been working on this

atomic halo
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our first gisigkai

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11 days ago

flat wharf
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is stress on the first syllable like tp

atomic halo
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ive been reading it that way the whole time so i sure hope so!

flat wharf
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i have been assuming that

atomic halo
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gisi sounds like it wants to be on the first syllable really bad and i dont think there's any signs that we have like. variable stress per word so i think it's safe to assume

remote junco
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yeah it’s first syllable stress

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WOO!

remote junco
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I’ve been considering penultimate stress but I decided against it

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'aLApa...

remote junco
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literally the first word I thought of pronouncing this way

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a a

remote junco
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gisi ‘Alapa si ‘alapa ka sesli [lawa] ‘uge

flat wharf
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ultimate stress owe

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actually that sounds really weird in my head

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'alaPAAUUH

remote junco
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toki pona but French

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pagKAWN puKEES

remote junco
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oh wait that’s just nasin panke

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nasin pagkan let's go

remote junco
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h sh tgugj

flat wharf
chilly urchin
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I think we should make it variable stress but confusing and unmarked like in English

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sigka'i wants me to put secondary stress on 'i because of the glottal stop it's probably a skill issue

chilly urchin
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Skill glottissue tbh

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GLOTTISSUE

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TRUE

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personally i have glottal stop tone so i got it perfectly

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sigkãi but not raised

chilly urchin
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menu Ka'i flexing grue and glottal stop tone it's so over

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LITERALLYYY

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literally nothing but Ws for me tbh

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actually really quick im gonna put my moku idea on the playground

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girls when they remember the sheet exists

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also moving 'ispi to the main dictionary i think which would mean every playground entry is from me

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PIPITYMOLOGY

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we need to get in on this people. we need to ka 'ispi gisi 'ispi

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[siɲcaʔi]

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TRUE

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guys im so leme

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minibeast.....

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like that sure is minibeast

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did you guys know pagkan 'i sagke sesli si las'e

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pagkan 'i kales si las'e ka sili sesli ka ka sagke ka sesli kales si las'e

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pagkan 'i menu si leme ka nesku kipa kepa ka ka menu 'i pagkan si magi 'i sagke sesli si las'e kipa

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making use of the plant lexicon by writing a bit about ecology

chilly urchin
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is this kales or keles

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kales

chilly urchin
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ok nods nods

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.3.

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^ :3 but she got dislodged

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also an experimental backwards ka sili btw

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thinking of it like "(turn) into" but in either direction

chilly urchin
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ndos ndos

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now that i read it back that one could mean totally opposite things because the verb doesn't do much to disambiguate it

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perhaps sesli 'i kales si las'e ka las'e pagkan ?

chilly urchin
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|| when foliage plants itself into the earth, life on earth begins ||
||When plants affect people in disorderly emotions, people wither the plants and stop birthing life into the place||

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ya!!!!

chilly urchin
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That is so fucked up

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Why do menu do that

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🤬

atomic halo
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this is what i remember from a tumblr post i read about how ||lawns are bad because grass is an early stage of ecological succession that creates the conditions for an ecosystem to form||

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this is also part of my pagkan foliage propaganda because ||the smaller plants that grow more easily (this is preceded by sigka'i that can grow even more easily without needing soil) are the pagkan of life||

chilly urchin
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ya

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||an affectation similar to unruliness, or something like that||

chilly urchin
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lonnn

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actually also thinking about it pagkan to describe leaves on a tree is not Completely far fetched

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leaves collect nutrients to las'e the fruit

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collect sunlight

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the keles collect nutrients but like

chilly urchin
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so is pagkan for u like specifically a kulupu kasi

atomic halo
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you know... green stuff

chilly urchin
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and not the individual stuff

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pagkan to me is the domain of grass and weeds

chilly urchin
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like would a leaf be a lipu pagkan

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ohhhhh

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ok that makes more sense

atomic halo
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and it's debatable whether leaves are metaphorically a grass and weed of the tree

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in that it's also a precedent for other things to start happening

chilly urchin
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Ok I see

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Very interesting

atomic halo
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[new, fresh] and all that

chilly urchin
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sin }

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ywah...❤️

chilly urchin
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yay !!!! 🌿

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grass and weeds i think are the explicit plant definition but the idea of pagkan as new originated from unripe fruit

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which may or may not be notable

chilly urchin
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OHHH

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Ok yes

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I think u should like

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Add that distinction to the sheet

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Of like

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Specifically new things idk

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I know it's there but I feel like

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Idk the plant beiong unripe thing caught me a bit off guard

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Or maybe I just didn't read good

atomic halo
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i rewrote foliage into grass+weed just now

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hopefully that should make it better

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they're a counterpart to sigka'i which is a little cool

chilly urchin
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Ohhhhh ok nods nods

atomic halo
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both are "easy" static organisms and one is about growth while the other is about freshness

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if i remember correctly it goes something like grass then bushes which provide the shade for taller trees?

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if we do get a word for tree itd be really funny to have like a whole gray area between them

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the same way we're like "is dolphins soweli or kala" now

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was it dolphins. it might've been seals

chilly urchin
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nods interesting interesting

atomic halo
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'espu - light, color, visual btw thoughts

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im still like kind of on the fence about including visual in there

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if 'espu is JUST light then we can have magi 'espu - faded in a glowing way ~ white

chilly urchin
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OH

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Right 'espu color

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I like the distinction of like

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it meaning light or color

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Because like

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Color does depend a lot of light + it literally is just bounced light

atomic halo
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tuki tiki cooked with suno kule merger

chilly urchin
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Ur arguments earlier made me see it with new Eyes 👁‍🗨

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And i forgot

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So yeah I like magi white espu color

atomic halo
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we can kind of have it be like. not a concept of "a color"? but rather like, this object glows in a certain manner

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'espu kales - it glows warmly ~ it's orange

chilly urchin
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yeah no

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I think that it like

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Makes sense because like

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Colors change a lot under different kinds of light / environments

atomic halo
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lon....

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we def gotta toy around with like, 'espu meaning glow primarily but also meaning reflected light and color at the same time

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it might lead to some peculiar and bizarre ambiguities

chilly urchin
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I think that an interesting of 'espu being closely related to light is that

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You can say stuff like

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'espu kales 'espu

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-> shiny/reflective orange

atomic halo
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... i might have to change 'espu though its etymology is the greek word for the color white

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kusi 'espu nesku - mirror??? or something

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[telo] si 'espu ka nesku 'uge - the water glows like me ~ the water reflects me

chilly urchin
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~ is my ≈ btw

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that's true i forgot we had jasima tomorrow

chilly urchin
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jasima !! just a tomorrow away !!

atomic halo
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"we have jasima tomorrow"
"what?"
"we have to play around with the semantic space of jasima tomorrow"

chilly urchin
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oh ok

atomic halo
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a a

chilly urchin
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that fucking "sili gisi" is never coming

atomic halo
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so 'espu renaming. how we feeling

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leftist utopian revolution but it's gisi giser sili gisi

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i really like the vibes of 'espu ill have to find a word with the same slay that means light

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ooh. didn't Spanish have luz or something

chilly urchin
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hebrew luz means almond thank god

chilly urchin
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This is the entire wikipedia page on yoruba for light

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imole...

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really good

chilly urchin
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There was also anoither one i found umm hold #on

atomic halo
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i can't believe it guys. imole primordial spirits or energies

chilly urchin
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noor...

chilly urchin
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These are good.... rubs temples together let me find more

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lus (Spanish luz)
nu'a (Urdu i can't copypaste that sorry)
'usni? (Urdu same)

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and if i may show my only knows english and my native language ass,
'ansen (Vietnamese ánh sáng but like with a southern accent)

chilly urchin
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I really like the smallness of nu'a

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It has a vibe

atomic halo
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same... nu'a is a good one

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lus is a really cool word though

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geckobone when there's sibilants

chilly urchin
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grabs you by the geckobone why aer yousibiling

atomic halo
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sibling? like laios and falin? from d

chilly urchin
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NO !"!!!! !

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RAGGHH

atomic halo
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i really like the implication that i have a single bone on my body shaped like a gecko that you can pick me up by btw

chilly urchin
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sesli silen ka leme moku

atomic halo
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maybe tail is gecko bone . [nuds my chin]

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chilly urchin
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grabs you like I am showing off a fish i caught in animal crossing

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WOO!

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curious btw what about my ramblings to kolisin made you reevaluate magi in your mind

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which point

chilly urchin
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I am gonna be honest it's a slop in my mind

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But I think the poiint of like

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light relates to saturation more than with white

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Was very nods head for me

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And also I thinkthe sheep thing maybe but that was just a "wow...."

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'uge si leme

chilly urchin
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nods nods

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'uge si gisi ka kusi leme

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🥺🥺

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pollyanna...

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RIGHT

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Banger name

chilly urchin
lucid bay
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rahhhhhhhhh hhhhh yas 🥺

chilly urchin
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the Mother Series leme

atomic halo
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gay people at a fashion show be like The Mother Series

chilly urchin
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TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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[kiwen] kanesu ka paka kales ka sesli [pipi]...? um

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menu Nis ka paka sesli... kusi 'a'e 'i leme sesli si moku.....?

chilly urchin
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rubbing my temples trying to decipher what the starman is doing

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(idk

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The first one is c

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OH

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waiut

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rubs my temples

atomic halo
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EEEYIKES! These enemies don't seem "bound" to "earth"!

chilly urchin
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loj... lon...

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||ness goes to his awesome baby locations to absorb its vibes with the stone||

chilly urchin
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Ohhhhhhhhhh nods my head yeah

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menu Nis ka paka sesli confuses me a bit doe

atomic halo
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'alapa might have fit there but iirc (bad memory) it's more like personal significance to ness or like something which is leme coded

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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ohhhhhh

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What was ka predicate for again

atomic halo
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it's when a ka phrase is the predicate a la "jan li tawa tomo"

chilly urchin
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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nods

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i suggested to drop si there because "pona tawa sina"

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menu 'Egkunas 'i 'alapa menu Nis si kusi.? hn

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kusi Nis

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not very sure about that gisinization

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gisigization

chilly urchin
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menu 'Egkunas....

remote junco
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what is happening

chilly urchin
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Coup

atomic halo
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kusi [how the fuck do you gisize earthbound]

remote junco
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‘Espan

atomic halo
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it's got a schwa.... embarrassing

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'Espan.. so real

chilly urchin
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Who is menu 'Egkunas I am so lost

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andonuts a a a

chilly urchin
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OHHHH

atomic halo
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nd to nk to gk pipeline

remote junco
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I would say menu Nes instead

chilly urchin
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but Nes is like Nas....

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lil nas....

atomic halo
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true.. i did consider that

remote junco
atomic halo
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then i wanted to be spicy so i feel back to the japanese e which is like [e] isn't it

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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though i guess the japanese word came from the english Nes

chilly urchin
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hm

atomic halo
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Nɛss -> Nesu
v v
Nes Nis

chilly urchin
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ios there a

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difference

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between Ness and Nesu

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I just pronounce them the same

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(Spanish coded)

atomic halo
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ness has the English Ess, nesu has the higher e that's at the beginning of ay

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viet e and ê

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(approximately)

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flat wharf
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em...

chilly urchin
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Remind me 2 learn vietnamese phonology

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I was doing that the other day and FOR GOT

atomic halo
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go learn vietnamese phonology

chilly urchin
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I am sadly watching videos with the wives

atomic halo
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what kinds of videos... can i see m.....

chilly urchin
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Uno Amalgam

atomic halo
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m unintentional but it became positive particle

chilly urchin
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true :D

atomic halo
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kusi 'Unu'e Makan(???)

chilly urchin
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||devil's machine?? nnn no ||

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OH

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this is not earthbound anymore

chilly urchin
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e because like emmmm

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it's diferent

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grue...

chilly urchin
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laso....

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pagkan...

chilly urchin
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so is pagkan laso or green

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it's laso

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my b

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the masses yearn for blue-green same word

remote junco
chilly urchin
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YES

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Chemicards so fucking good

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All its characters so awesome

remote junco
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I’m sorry, characters? must have a new video now I guess

chilly urchin
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He presented the characters at some point some months ago but he hasn't done like

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Much about them

remote junco
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ohhh

chilly urchin
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Just presented them. Has released some of their themes though

remote junco
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the inscryption theming is bleeding through

chilly urchin
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😭

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The lore iirc is that ur one of the characters in some sort of laboratory as you try to get rid of ur cards because those are like

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Chemical damage point

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Like the cards reflect the real danger etc

atomic halo
remote junco
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fascinating

remote junco
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or however the fuck you spell his name

chilly urchin
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C3-PO ??

remote junco
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different android!!

chilly urchin
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ah

atomic halo
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something like po3 yeah

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piece of 3hit

remote junco
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it’s just Poe but like robotified

chilly urchin
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idk who po3 is

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OH

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the iunscruyption dude

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idk i havent played it

remote junco
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yeahhhh

chilly urchin
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He kinda servces

remote junco
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you should

chilly urchin
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I should

atomic halo
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pop off 3irlfriend

remote junco
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PO3 is an asshole

chilly urchin
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Woahh... now i GOTTA play this

remote junco
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I liked him better when he was a stoat

chilly urchin
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😭

remote junco
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his act is pretty good tbf

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well not as chef’s kiss as Leshy’s but there’s some cool stuff there too

atomic halo
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menu Lesi

chilly urchin
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rizzcryption tbh

atomic halo
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TBHHH

remote junco
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TRUE

remote junco
atomic halo
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LONNN

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also good news you guys we finally unlocked sight (once we settle on a word

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leme [lus/nu'a]

chilly urchin
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nods nods

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My silly dog brain might want 2 look at more word origins

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But like

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it's ur word do as u please

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I just like looking at wordz

remote junco
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me too

atomic halo
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it is my word. :lawami:

remote junco
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:gisiuge:

atomic halo
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LONNN

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looking back at all my oc names and getting embarrassed at how good sibilants got me

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it's so over for me you guys

chilly urchin
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fuck

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let me think back

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I might have a special sound that getted me

atomic halo
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im a sibilants and [k] type guy

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westerner

chilly urchin
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Wait let me think of the name of our system

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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YEAH

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vriska serket gets me i cant lie

chilly urchin
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Pentagram - Nonex, Knife, Viernes Deco, Kaolin Tala, Soko, Pentagram, Pollyanna
Yeah there's a lot of velar here

atomic halo
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oc names la nahash, castor, exile, moloch,

chilly urchin
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Viernes Deco is literally Vriska Serket wtf

atomic halo
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LOLLL

wispy tendonBOT
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:<<<<<<<<<

atomic halo
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viet has both the velar fricatives btw is that cute

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<kh and g>

chilly urchin
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fricatives anu plosives

flat wharf
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x and ɣ?

chilly urchin
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x/x G/

strong tartanBOT
chilly urchin
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.

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my dumbas s like

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damn

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x is such a ¿weird symbol

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Looks away from my name

atomic halo
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LOLLL

atomic halo
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khhhuh, ghhhhuh

chilly urchin
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That is so so scary twirls my hair flustered

atomic halo
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it's so cool

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it's my favorite factoid when tutoring phonetics to people in my class

chilly urchin
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Wtf.... the tutorer

atomic halo
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theyre failing phonetics they want me so bad

chilly urchin
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😭 ddbhjkdjbhgv

atomic halo
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aspirated and unaspirated [t] are also different phonemes

chilly urchin
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nods nods

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I was actually gonna ask if like

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U had differentiation of aspirated/unsapiralted consonants

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gess thatdss dat

atomic halo
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yuuup

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the h does different things to different sounds though yeah

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kh: plosive - fricative
th: unaspirated - aspirated
nh: alveolar - palatal

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ph - [p] to [f]?? lots of things going on there

chilly urchin
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In what writing Schtuff

atomic halo
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sometimes the phonemes themselves aren't changed but it's a convention of spelling, like <g> before <e, ê, i> becomes <gh>

chilly urchin
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Oh ok for vietnamese spelling

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That makes sense

atomic halo
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yuuop

chilly urchin
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-remindme 1 hr remind urself 2 learn vienamese

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atomic halo
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converting nunaku with my trinkets and temptations

chilly urchin
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I fucking

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Love

opal basinBOT
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Reminder for @chilly urchin

Reminder from YAGPDB

hr remind urself 2 learn vienamese

chilly urchin
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The use of "

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WAKHNBDSJGHVGAJSFCDAHGSD

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FUJC,

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HAHAHAA

atomic halo
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HAGAHA

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well? go on!

chilly urchin
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Fuck um um um

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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Right I was going to say

remote junco
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I need this reminder too

chilly urchin
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I love the usage of the word "converting" here

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I'm being turned vietnamese rn

atomic halo
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YEAH

chilly urchin
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Mexican goes out of the window

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-remindme 1hr remind urself vietnamese u know.... u knoooowwww

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atomic halo
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gisi gisi should have a word that specifically means Vietnamese

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but anyways yeah i think im going to fall victim to the bit so it's gonna be lus unless you guys have other words with sibilants and/or k

chilly urchin
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nods nods I will be on the look

atomic halo
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i also like lus one syllable in a way that mildly nods to kon

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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kon makes gust of air acoustics lus makes searing sun acoustics this makes no sense actually

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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no i get it

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ssssss <- sound of cooking

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k <- sound of cough

atomic halo
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for REAL

remote junco
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whoa more single phoneme

atomic halo
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TRUE

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k is just a glottal stop

chilly urchin
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just like how Nunaku means Mexican and Kolisin Canadian (?)

atomic halo
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or you have to say the fricative forms and these sounds only show up this one time wait that's really funny

chilly urchin
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😭 what

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so ɣ only shows up before a certain sound

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or not

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is it an allophone or a phoneme then eyebrow rizzmoji

atomic halo
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p - emotion particle: tiredness, fatigue
pronounced [ɸ]

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i believe that's the symbol? i may be wrong

chilly urchin
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is it like

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bilabqial but u blow thru ur lips

atomic halo
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bilabial fricative ya

chilly urchin
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unvoiced

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like ummm

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japanese "fu"

atomic halo
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it's perfect too because we don't have a t that can be focused with s when fricatified

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japanese fu is bilabial??? woah...

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that's so cool...

chilly urchin
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wait so like

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is it like a ɸu or just like ɸ

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the particle

atomic halo
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just ɸ

chilly urchin
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like when u exhale

atomic halo
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mmmm sssss ɸɸɸɸɸɸ

chilly urchin
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oh

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wiat i got it

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i was voicing it

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my baka ass

atomic halo
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embarrassingggg!

chilly urchin
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i twirl like earthworm

atomic halo
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paka pipi

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ah right which cool mythological pipis have you found

chilly urchin
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<- has been gisi vacationing this whole day instead of being on the gisi grind

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I think the issue ios that like

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There are

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So many bugs in legends

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Like spiders and praying mantises and cicadas

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And butterflies and worms and mollusks

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So it's like

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Buffet

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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😭

flat wharf
atomic halo
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going off the snails are the pipi synthesis thing didn't medieval monks draw a ton of snails on their margins

atomic halo
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ah right yeah because it's from the /h/ set

flat wharf
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that's why in the h column it's ha hi fu he ho

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a a

atomic halo
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swagger

atomic halo
atomic halo
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focusing on only the pipis that fit the hard shell AND goo inside criteria could make the buffet less overwhelming

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no more butterfly.DIE!!!!

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(in the same way we were looking at specifically griffins instead of just bird or lion

chilly urchin
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Snales

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Amonites

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Etc

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I mean all pipis are squisy inside but I think a mollusk is good

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or something of the sorts

atomic halo
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what does amonite include

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yeah maybe a pipi that's very clearly a ko of sorts

chilly urchin
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An amonite is an extinct swirly mollusk

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think of a nautilus but Ancient

atomic halo
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hoolyshut

chilly urchin
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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looks at gisi gisi

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points at it

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so when are we getting the queer vocab

atomic halo
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pukis

chilly urchin
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nvm

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we got it

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the three genders are 'askalis, pukis and [pipi]

atomic halo
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third gender under construction

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chilly urchin
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Oh fuck I know .... 🛐

atomic halo
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sina sonaaa sina sonaaaa

chilly urchin
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-remindme 14hrs vietnamese NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh right

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-remindme 15hrs semantic space analyis and structure tonight?? venn diagram tonight queen?? sili gisi ??? 👀

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I keep 4getting to do this

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I think we can use a bit more structure moving forward now that we have a lot of words

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And figure out what else we want + are missing

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To avoid jenga towering

remote junco
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oh?

chilly urchin
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We already have ~40 words

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A lot !! :D

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But that also means that overlap might be more common and the likes

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I think we've done really well so far though

remote junco
chilly urchin
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Right

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It makes me really happy

remote junco
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now thinking about how similar alasa/wile are

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I have realized yet another nimi pu pair I have gripes with

chilly urchin
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mmmm

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I feel like they're different enough for me to not really mind. I think alasa and wile have different meanings in the way I use them, at least

remote junco
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alasa li seme

chilly urchin
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alasa for me is to actively search / try / look for, while wile is a bit more passive

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the precursor of alasa

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so I don't find much overlap except for "they have needs at their core"

remote junco
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sorry I’m just kind of weird and quirky

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and slightly miffed

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trying to control myself so I’m putting my vitriol onto the words meso and lanpan like I normally do

chilly urchin
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GOD

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I SAW "KON SELI MESO" AND I WAS LIKE

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hhrfrfr hrhfrhfh r rhfhrhrfhrfr <- self control max

remote junco
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lon a

chilly urchin
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I can't interact with this anymore 😭

remote junco
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lmaooo

chilly urchin
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so I put my Good ideas into gisi gisi

remote junco
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yeah using peto strikes me dead

remote junco
atomic halo
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silen alasa connection

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alasa is different from wile in that there is a hunting towards the goal

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silen is a path to a point

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silen can mean journey i think

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maybe it needs a little establishing first? maybe not

chilly urchin
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nnnnn

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it might be very ambiguous

atomic halo
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very true

atomic halo
remote junco
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that’s an interesting metaphor but ultimately feels a bit farfetched

chilly urchin
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I also think a lot of words are pretty okay in their semantic spaces

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For now

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But I do have others that I am like hmmm

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But ah that's tomorrow work

remote junco
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do tell

chilly urchin
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Besides 'alapa, I can't really think much of others

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I think m,ostly because they're new

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So they're in the "let's put them in a situation" environment for now

atomic halo
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we kind of just picked 'alapa up and gently set it down because we were like "ohhh so it's kon..ok

wispy tendonBOT
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i asked nonex if we had a word for change (transformation) vs change (sili) and ssshe le asked me to bring it up here

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alssso haiiiiiiii musawi i am here , tonight

atomic halo
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pukis Penpu

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hello :]]

chilly urchin
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pukis Penpu

atomic halo
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ive just kind of been teetering on framing every transformation as a sili of sorts in tandem with my experimentation of sili as time passage

wispy tendonBOT
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we dont know gisi gisi well enough ssso every time i see pukis i read it in the sssame way i'd read

atomic halo
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TRUEE

chilly urchin
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YES

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YAYYY

atomic halo
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i don't think we have just a plain ol change yet i feel like were in the middle of an ante splitter between sili and other things potentially to come

chilly urchin
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Yeah maybe

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Change can be a good word but it may also come from other secret words yet to dis cover

atomic halo
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we already have a word for expand rather than just a word for big or new

chilly urchin
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mhm nods

wispy tendonBOT
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'uge

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[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) we dont know gisi gisi well enough ssso every time i see pukis i read it in the sssame way i'd read 📎

chilly urchin
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YESSSS YAYYY

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dats my hubsand

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pointing at the wretched thing

atomic halo
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PUKISSSS

wispy tendonBOT
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'uge si pukis

chilly urchin
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my dumbass really was for a split second thinking "Wait isn't white hands a song by C418" <- thinking of wet hands

atomic halo
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what are you thinking of using change for btw

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or is it just a general question

chilly urchin
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pokemon top 10 creept pasta -> the hand with 0 things

wispy tendonBOT
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i forget musawi

menu Ka'i ↩️

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atomic halo
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i wonder if i can use the 38 words we have to circumlocution saying a variety of things by just making really bad and vague analogies

chilly urchin
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we have been doing that tbh

wispy tendonBOT
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nonex just mentioned how i could contribute wordsss if i'd like , and i was trying to think of what sorts of areas gisi gisi doesssn't cover yet .

atomic halo
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(think washing dishes is hard - VE'KHUN'TH'I - good change will not come)

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pukis Penpu doing the real jobs tbh

chilly urchin
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KHUN'T ???

atomic halo
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v cunty me when

wispy tendonBOT
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on that gisi gisi grindsset

atomic halo
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washing dishes is hard - kipa pagkan kusi si sili - the tool's lack of freshness is growing spores

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a lot of things would be fixed if we had pona and ike but we're in sili gisi

chilly urchin
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I honestly trhink we should just include pona and ike for now

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As like placeholder words

atomic halo
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true.

chilly urchin
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Because again I feel like. They're concepts that stand on themselves

atomic halo
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in terms of like real development though i suggested that we implant another philosophy into it in place of simple/complex

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she said natural/artificial

wispy tendonBOT
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i was s thinking about that . . . t hinking of wordss like that

chilly urchin
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Imo I think that going natural vs artificial is kind of. Icky?? to me

wispy tendonBOT
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for some reason ssupa/leko came to mind . i thought about how you dont often find supalike things in nature

atomic halo
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smooth/jaggy for pona ike is doing bizarre things to my mind

chilly urchin
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WE ALREADY HAVE SMOOTH JAGGY AT HOME IT'S CALLED PUKIS

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‼️

atomic halo
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TRUE

wispy tendonBOT
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oh fuik thatss me

atomic halo
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we'll just have pona ike for now then

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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puna ike for assimilation

chilly urchin
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oh fuck

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wrong mesdage

atomic halo
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yeah real

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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to be fair like 2 messages afterwards she was like "so we can make menu ike let's go"

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which makes me think either it was a bit the whole time or she thought about it for 5 more seconds and went "maybe we don't want menu to be ike actually. maybe i should point out itd absurdity by making a joke about it

chilly urchin
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ohhh

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i forgert a lot of thing

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so this probaly sliped my mind

atomic halo
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but like yah

chilly urchin
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menu is kinda ike though. So erm. sorry Ka'i. Gonna have 2 vote u off.

wispy tendonBOT
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sssociety or some thing

atomic halo
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FUCKK

chilly urchin
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SSSOCIETY

atomic halo
wispy tendonBOT
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spair pukis

chilly urchin
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the joker in gisi gisi be like menu 'i menu si leme magi

atomic halo
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on the side of natural/unnatural i kind of want to say harmonious/whatever the opposite is

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because we have tree hugging dwarf words and we have sili which describes every process of decay in a completely neutral manner

chilly urchin
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mmmmmmmm

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isn't harmonious kepa already

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well like

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patterned i think

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but that kinds harmony

wispy tendonBOT
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disssonant , conflicting , out of place ❓

menu Ka'i ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) on the side of natural/unnatural i kind of want to say harmonious/whatever the opposite is

atomic halo
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in some senses of it yeah it is kepa, and jasima is also coming up

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which is why i was like "n.. ill see what the girlies think

wispy tendonBOT
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we are music brained . i see opposite of harmony and think of disssonance

atomic halo
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truuye

wispy tendonBOT
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there iss a better word but we are sleepy !

chilly urchin
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I just get really leme nasa when I see subjective words being paired with non subjective

atomic halo
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^ having leme nasa

chilly urchin
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ywea

atomic halo
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i should do my mindkiller bit again with the like 2 newfound words and grammatical constructions since then and see if anything's changed

chilly urchin
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the waht

atomic halo
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ka 'ispi 'uge si sigka'i kipa. sigka'i 'i menu si magi. sigka'i si las'e ka sili kipa sagke. 'uge ka 'ispi sigka'i. 'a'e ka sesli 'uge ka silen 'uge. 'uge ka 'ispi 'alapa silen. 'a'e si kipa ka ka nesku si kipa. sili gisi 'ispi si.

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not much

chilly urchin
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ok thinks really hard

atomic halo
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no word for active processing or perceiving yet (im thinking of that for a sona in the future, will tinker with another day

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replaced ike near the beginning with magi

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so this is now exclusively words that were solidly good on

chilly urchin
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how does ka chaining work

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is it like pi chaining or is it like

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2 different preps

atomic halo
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2 preps tawa mi

chilly urchin
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nods

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||I should stop expanding. Growth dulls people. Growth begins an deterioration that removes energy/life. I am of growth only (?). It is with/at/on me and through me. I am only of my soul. If it disappears, things disappear. The unique growth of language si-||

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I think I'm confused on the 'uge ka X Y' constructions

atomic halo
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||i must not grow. growing weakens man. growing is the egg that leads to annihilation of life. i will focus on the growth. the growth will go inside and through me. i will focus on the essence of its path. when it's gone, everything will be gone. only sili gisi will be.||

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it's a ||fear is the mindkiller bit but about how we dont sili gisi||

chilly urchin
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Ah the end is like

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'ispi si doe

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I got like most of it though so that's pouna

atomic halo
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'ispi taso and kolisin suggested blank si as a replacement for li lon

chilly urchin
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ohhhhhhhh

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interesting

atomic halo
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perhaps 'uge si leme ka 'ispi sigka'i?

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||i will feel focusing on the growth = i will face my growth||

chilly urchin
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Yeah I think that could be a clearer construction

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maybe

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mmm

atomic halo
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nnn

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the ambiguity here (i feel / i affect) is mi moku in nature so i don't mind

chilly urchin
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yeah

atomic halo
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sagke/magi overlap should be written out more (proceeds do not do it because it's so so hard

chilly urchin
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nods

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wait

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magi

atomic halo
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most sagke kipa things are a little bit magi

chilly urchin
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ah

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nods

atomic halo
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when writing the suggestion for magi i listed being very anxious as a sagke kipa that isn't magi

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though it could definitely magi you on the outside

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well and also things can be magi or not in a way that's unrelated to their animacy

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i should also admit that in the "inactive, static" definition i was thinking of rocks

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a robot that has batteries is sagke, a robot that doesn't is magi, to a robot these two states are antonymic

chilly urchin
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting

atomic halo
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so magi IS antonymic to sagke in that one indicates stasis and the other indicates motion

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maybe them being antonyms will be Fine Actually maybe not nobody knows

chilly urchin
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awen

atomic halo
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awenm

chilly urchin
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nnnn rubs temples hard

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paka is another word that's strange

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tawa mi

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like in the semantic space sphere

atomic halo
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m!

chilly urchin
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next to 'alapa

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like we kinda take them 4 granted

atomic halo
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paka i read as activity / velocity

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moving strongly as well as more metaphorically spreading

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wind can be paka when it's a moving force and 'alapa when it's an invisible force

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paka itself is motion, not air

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tawa mi

chilly urchin
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incheresting

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id love 2 disciss this more but i am hitting a wall of sleepy so

atomic halo
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kemu si magiii kemu si magiiii

chilly urchin
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I'll make a list of things 2 not forget 2 discus

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'uge si magiiiiii

atomic halo
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playground tonite

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oh actually sagke/paka now that i think about it

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in the sagke bit you said (paraphrased) a ball can be like "loaned" sagke by the hand that's throwing it

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so is there a difference in calling this ball sagke or paka

chilly urchin
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puts my hands up to my temples and a lightbulb going out is heard

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I think that sagke is what moves the paka

wispy tendonBOT
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loooooove i am gona grab your ssscruff and drag you to supa lape

atomic halo
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potential energy to kinetic energy... or like internal packed energy to external expression...?

chilly urchin
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But right unhh my list of things:

  • Etymology for missing word(s)
  • Semantic space chart to see how it's Going
  • Revise semantic spaces of existing words
  • What is missing? Compare to toki pona perhaps
  • words..... um. systems we have set in place anbd chceck
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w

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no

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thats 2 long

atomic halo
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LOL

chilly urchin
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n

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sure

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ig

atomic halo
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youre gonna get so leme'd tomorrow

wispy tendonBOT
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alssso i am very sorry we have not been too engaged with pali toki talk - i think you are all much sssmarter in that regard , so it is hard to have much contribution , a a

atomic halo
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i think a part is def that you haven't played around with it

wispy tendonBOT
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we are here for moral sssupport

chilly urchin
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Yeah you haven't polayed around. o play.

wispy tendonBOT
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that isss very true

chilly urchin
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gay ass pukis

wispy tendonBOT
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we've been ssso sleepy , though ... it is hard a a

atomic halo
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pukis Penpu smiling and frowning based on how strugglous the gisi is

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like a carbon monoxide canary

wispy tendonBOT
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i need to sit down one day and jussst say extremely simple thingsss with gisi gisi to get the gisi gist of it

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eexaaaaaaaactly spair

menu Ka'i ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) pukis Penpu smiling and frowning based on how strugglous the gisi is

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gay ass 'askalis

'askali Nunaku | kulupu ↩️

[Reply to:](#1220981267076481077 message) gay ass pukis

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is it 'askalis or 'askali ? the former is on the google ssheet .

chilly urchin
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ahgh

wispy tendonBOT
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faildog !!!!!!!!

chilly urchin
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grabing u by the scruf dat is enoug

wispy tendonBOT
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aacchhk

atomic halo
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grabbing you by the tail to be honest

wispy tendonBOT
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we need to gisimaxx.

atomic halo
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pk;m newt sn nesku Nu

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wispy tendonBOT
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namunen ka sesli 'askulis Nunaku si kales mukaski si magi kipa

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'askalis i mean.

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g 'a'e si magi kipa

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g kusi 'a'e si magi kipa ka ka namunen si kales

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ooh. following the "sagke just kind of hangs out and only Externalizes as paka" thread

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a phone that's turned off is magi but also sagke

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maybe a person being kept alive in an ice cube is also magi and sagke

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like they Do totally have animating force, in fact it's kind of the entire point to keep the animating force, but also they're being chucked in the fridge for another day rn

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magi additional translation dormant

atomic halo
wispy tendonBOT
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ka 'ispi kemu 'i leme ike sigka'i si kipa. leme 'ispi: kemu 'i kusi las'e sigka'i si esun ka ka ken! pona! kales pipi pes las'e sigka'i pes poki! SIGKA'I SI LEME ❤️ SIGKA'I SI LEME ❤️ SIGKA'I SI LEME ❤️

atomic halo
wispy tendonBOT
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'uge 'i gisi menu si kipa. 'uge 'i nesku 'i lus 'i kepa 'a'e si leme 'ispi

wind compass
lucid bay
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some thing both Out of place and harmful as a result ❓ idk

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regwhghv

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iam just saying words take wat sounds interesting and leave da rest z z

atomic halo
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guess we'll never know ....

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chilly urchin
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AH

chilly urchin
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oh fuck thank god i was so scared

atomic halo
#

the ilo teeters up to you and its speaker goes "vietnamese NOW !!!!" before it disables you with a sickly green ray

chilly urchin
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DBHJKDJHBGDSVJHGDHGVF

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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me 2

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we don't have that ejective shit in spanish

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🤝

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I have been watching this video and the wikipedia page and the e and ê seem slightly different from how she says it and how the phonology appears there?? do u urself pronounce ê like [e] and e like [ɛ]

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cuz in the video she pronounces e more like [æ]

remote junco
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e like gisi gisi e

chilly urchin
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e like gisi gisi e

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nods

atomic halo
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definitely don't do the same thing i do with the english a at least

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æ

chilly urchin
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nods nods

remote junco
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‘uge ‘i pukis Kipa si namunen

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(Creeper)

chilly urchin
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DAMN U GOT RETROFLEX T

atomic halo
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for REAL

atomic halo
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i do it exactly how the wikipedia guy says [t] it might be a difference in accent

chilly urchin
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mnmm might be

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ok i see

atomic halo
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aa nods nods yeah im a northerner unfortunately

chilly urchin
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🫵 no retroflex plosive

remote junco
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communist dialect

atomic halo
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this is also very funny to look at because it kind of highlights some of our. phoneme pairs? that teachers try to inforce but nobody actually follows, like the english /tr/ to [tʃr] pipeline

chilly urchin
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like

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matour vs machure

atomic halo
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this ONLY lists [s] but our teachers talked a lot about <x> being /s/ (the Light s) and <s> being like, some other sound further back that i don't remember

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it might be a ʃ?

chilly urchin
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hm

atomic halo
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same thing with ch and tr, the second one is Supposed to have a r after it but we don't really do it unless we need to emphasize to specify a mishearing or something

remote junco
atomic halo
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OH AND ALSO. ưu. ɨu to iu pipeline

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if im remembering my symbols right

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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geckobone voice reveal btw

chilly urchin
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Voice reveal.... for giu....

atomic halo
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sorry for the vile quality byw im outside in the wind at 4am

chilly urchin
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what 😭

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Ka'i ur always in some fucking Situation

atomic halo
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its so hard for me vhatroom

chilly urchin
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"I'm under the harsh sun rn"
"I'm at the leaping ants forest"
And now we have "I'm in the 4 am wind"

atomic halo
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YEAH

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tom scott was that his name

chilly urchin
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YES

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FDAKNSJHDAJHBSGDAVHGFSD

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GODDDDDDDDDDDD

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Guys should I ditch German and learn vietnamese y/n

atomic halo
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yeah of course

chilly urchin
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Awesome

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Oh fuck

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I reminded myself i have homeworkd 2 do for genmran

atomic halo
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i think i muight go to bed now

chilly urchin
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goodnight 😭

atomic halo
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chilly urchin
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sighs and nods

atomic halo
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but mi lapeeee :(

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i haven't been lapeing the whole time ive been looking at sona musi getting my blood pressure raised

chilly urchin
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Dw this is a message for me to set up some things 😭

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You should lape girl.....

atomic halo
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im such a lape girl

chilly urchin
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ka 'ispi kemu si magiiiiiiiii ka 'ispi kemu si magiiiii

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chilly urchin
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ok notes this down

atomic halo
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magi kipa. kanesu lus

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g si pes namunen gisi kemu

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lucid bay
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ni

chilly urchin
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ni

lucid bay
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o ni

chilly urchin
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ill do it in a bit i gota kama sin

lucid bay
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🥺 sama musi Manka

chilly urchin
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LONNNN

lucid bay
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mu kiwen

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any wy . Today . today i want to put a little time into properly trying to learn some gisi gisi

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rgrrrrrrrrrrr

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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GISIIII GIIISIIII

lucid bay
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gisiiiiiiiiii musawi

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is gisi used as a greeting the same way toki would

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atomic halo
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we're doing gisi las'e right now

lucid bay
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oooh dat makes sense : :

atomic halo
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kanesu si magi rn if you even care... 'alapa si paka too

lucid bay
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🥺 for real

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ican kind of get wat you mean by kanesu si magi but ifi may ask wat u mean 'alapa si paka 🥺 rrr

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||i thoght u meant full moon because of White but i see the le error of my ways||

atomic halo
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a a

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||sky is white and it's windy||

lucid bay
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||fuck !||

atomic halo
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toki pona hood classic

lucid bay
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||it does not help thta i checked the moon phases and it was nearly a new moon so i was liek nod nod the moon is off||

atomic halo
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a a a

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kanesu 'uge si mukaski, magi las'e(?) si ka sesli kanesu

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franticaly scrolling up and dwon on gogle sheets paka paka style

atomic halo
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YEAH

atomic halo
lucid bay
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ooh i could have phrased this better then i think spair

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awgrhujdfsbfdgh

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iwas trying to say ||the sky is blue, small clouds (i am pretty sure i could phrase it better if i had a kon/telolike word) are in it||

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||i did see the other darky words in the same semantic space as blue in mukaski , how shoud i clarify i mean blue . . rur||

remote junco
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vibrant mukaski perhaps

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idk we need more words

atomic halo
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mukaski lus?

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though the sky isn't usually that mukaski

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for context wren i was thinking of blueberries and plums and deep oceans when making mukaski

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a daytime sky is more pagkan

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maybe a sunrise sky is more of a mukaski blue? it's a little variable

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a pagkan mukaski perhaps

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clouds la i called them 'alapa magi once

atomic halo
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faded wishy washy purplish during sunset and such

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ohhhh i

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ididnt notice pagkan i just zoned in on the first blue i saw whichwas mukaski

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rwrhfbrhg

atomic halo
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a a a

lucid bay
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dat makes more sense

atomic halo
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maybe i should change mukaski to say deep blue?

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or even indigo

lucid bay
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dat would make more sense in my lawa i think : :

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an inbetween kind of average blue coud be mukaski pagkan or pagkan mukaski

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i duno ::3

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wel miby not ithink pagkan covers blues nicely

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not exclusively sky blue

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im just le #sily and getting used to gisi gisi

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for extra reference here's the objects i think of with the colors, i kinda got quirky with them for fun so they're based in both brightness and hue

  • kales: mangoes, clay, fire
  • pagkan: leaves, sky
  • mukaski: blueberries, plums, beetroot, the magenta pigmentation on some plants
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the base idea was going from primary colors ryb to secondary colors

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then i tried to extrapolate a pattern from there

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iusee i see : roooo

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iliek the double purpose coloration or thing way these words can be used

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people calling the ocean "the deep blue" come to mind

atomic halo
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:]

lucid bay
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ithink me stumbvling over clouds also reminded me is ther a way to specify the size of things yet ❓

atomic halo
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no💔

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we have a word for growing/expanding, sigka'i

lucid bay
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i gues in some ways yes (pagkan las'e, pagkan sili)

atomic halo
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but not big or small themselves rn

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pagkan las'e... babymode

lucid bay
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wrfjhbdfsbgh

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iwonder if a word for general measurement of something woud be interesting

atomic halo
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nods sagely

lucid bay
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liek ❓

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idk

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think suli except if suli was just size

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:3 idunjno i dont know how to phrase it

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just having a word for size and then describing the way that it is sized sounds fascinating

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not just Big or Small

atomic halo
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we're already toying with establishing a silen to describe distance/length so that could be cute i think

lucid bay
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[suli] las'e ..... [suli] namunen ..... [suli] sesli

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stuff like dat

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large boulder the size of a small boulder

atomic halo
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rubs temples

lucid bay
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[suli] kipa something so ufkcing in siginificantly small

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not-sized

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wrjhbsdfgh

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necessitating a comparative to describe size is fascinating

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it might be hard though with like. exactly how big is a namunen

lucid bay
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i dunno :3 !

wind compass
lucid bay
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TTRUE !!!!

atomic halo
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[crowd cheering] another singularity! another singularity!

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i did kind of swing it in the direction of kolisin to use 'ispi to mean narrow

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hn...

lucid bay