gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin

[lucid bay]

there could be different flavors of nesku 🥺

can a nesku kiki and a nesku bouba truly fall in love

these r lovely by the way 🥺 🥺 i love the swoopy looking shapes mydear

[chilly urchin]

This too is yuri

[chilly urchin]

HEHE thanku :D

I want to work on a swoopy thing because sigka'i Kulisin is already doing angular

[lucid bay]

oh ffor real : !

has she shared any thing here iduno if i have see n

rr rr

[chilly urchin]

Mmmnm no idont think she has

[lucid bay]

roooooou i see ,,- =,, z z

[chilly urchin]

I like paka it's like if tawa was running away

[lucid bay]

wahgfhdfbfg i see da resemblence

[chilly urchin]

An absence of gweeple

[lucid bay]

it looks just a litle similar to kanesu nwo dat i look at them having parallel line markings on top

an absence of gweeple

[chilly urchin]

I somejow missed that part

[chilly urchin]

Ohhhh she love lines

[lucid bay]

i love lines

[atomic halo]

namunen silen

[chilly urchin]

namunen silen

scar

[atomic halo]

lonn

[lucid bay]

namunen silen :

[chilly urchin]

Sometimes I forget there are scars on my body cuz it's on parts I don't really (or can't) look at

namunen silen 'alapa 'uge

[atomic halo]

one across your ass cheek like rigby

[chilly urchin]

NO ! ! !

[lucid bay]

ifeel liek i mgiht have some scars on my head from wen i bonked my head on things but they r under neatrh my Masive hair

[atomic halo]

[chilly urchin]

They're on my damn FACE and some on like

Idk hand

[atomic halo]

are they in like swagful locations

[lucid bay]

🥺 do they make yuo look awsome

[chilly urchin]

They are

Covered by linja mi

[atomic halo]

:D

D:

[lucid bay]

🤬 rrrrrrrrrrrr

[chilly urchin]

But they are still ig

[lucid bay]

🥺 yauy

[chilly urchin]

nodding swagfuly

[lucid bay]

my wify so swagful

[atomic halo]

sigka'i kemu 'i namunen si 'alapa

[chilly urchin]

sigka'i for hair.....

[atomic halo]

there are definitely better options out there

[chilly urchin]

Kind of a true here

[atomic halo]

a a a

it do be stuff sprouting from your body out of nowhere tbh

[chilly urchin]

My Uncontrollable stubble

Me as a werewolf

[atomic halo]

YUUP

[lucid bay]

lon a

mi ni

[chilly urchin]

a'e' BEAST

[lucid bay]

'uge beast

🥺

[atomic halo]

what if gisi pilin had some like. effect kind of meaning

like it's regular pilin + when you say something is wawa a!!!

influence? affect? question mark??

[chilly urchin]

Transitive pilin but like not as ambiguous

[atomic halo]

thinking about wawa because did you guys know romantic in chinese means like water spilling over the shore or something

because it feel wawa

[chilly urchin]

Oh damn what

That kinda wawa

[atomic halo]

romantic not just like olinly but also in a poet way

[lucid bay]

ooo hh h : :

[chilly urchin]

Oh like

U want pilin to be like

transitive passion too

[atomic halo]

ya

[chilly urchin]

nods nods

[atomic halo]

because pilin is like a really good word so cutting it up might be strange

adding an inversion of its perspective though might be cool

[chilly urchin]

yeah

I like that

[atomic halo]

loud sound = huge affect

[chilly urchin]

Tbh tbhh

[atomic halo]

bright color huge affect too tbh.

[chilly urchin]

I don't see pilin used transitive much

Which is sad

[atomic halo]

yeah it's like pana e pilin mostly

[chilly urchin]

Like to say mi pilin X e ona

Yeah

[atomic halo]

this could also mesh in a fun way with our ka system, maybe as a transitive its "default" is to mean affect something else

but instead you can say pilin [ka something] emotion

ka sama or something along that line

or ka las'e?

be affected by emotion

[chilly urchin]

interesting.....

I like that

nesku [pilin] 'uge si magi

(tan lape lili)

nesku is like ijo on steroids so far

What little vocabulary does to u

[atomic halo]

it's so good

for real!!

you either die a hero or live long enough to use sigka'i as hair

[chilly urchin]

Also @lucid bay I'll try to write more about how to use gisi gisi Good (in what is possible) 2morrow

[lucid bay]

rrr r r 🥺 thnk you mwa mwah

[chilly urchin]

-remindme 14hrs gisi gisi rizzy rizzy 101

[opal basin]

Set a reminder in 14 hours from now (<t:1712269042:f>)
View reminders with the reminders command

[lucid bay]

ican t folow discord messages good i liek having it written out on a lipu uwehuhehe

[atomic halo]

hmm although affect would have to be shaved down to be different in some way from just like. normal transitivity change of state perhaps

[chilly urchin]

I feel like

[atomic halo]

much to think about

[chilly urchin]

Affect is on a like

Emotional or psychological level more than like

Change of state

[atomic halo]

lon...

im putting it in the sandbox for now ill think more when i have free time

[chilly urchin]

Mhmhmhmhm pona

[atomic halo]

also it should be considered whether it's a good route when we have sagke and paka as different types of wawa

tp also has wawa and suli so like nnnn

[chilly urchin]

I feel like a pilin word doesn't necessarily have 2 be wawa

[atomic halo]

lon....

[chilly urchin]

I think it can overlap but like

tan X la mi pilin suli li pilin ken

mi wawa

Overlappy

We'll see how it goes ithink

[atomic halo]

m!

[chilly urchin]

:3 !!

[atomic halo]

[affect] 'alapa = atmosphere too btw

atmosphere or vibe

[chilly urchin]

[affect] 'alapa check !!!

[atomic halo]

LONN

it can also be smell a a a

[chilly urchin]

btw is thatr color good 4 u

[atomic halo]

i could fucks with it yeah

[chilly urchin]

I was just like 💭 green

oksdoks

U can always change it

[atomic halo]

🙏

[chilly urchin]

In the uhhh conditional formatting section

[fallen pasture]

well cyan is smack dab in the middle of laso so

[atomic halo]

that's true.

looking back on this real quick btw this is an inverse ryb (centered on secondary colors) which could serve cunt

the dark magenta is fun because some plants have that coloration which over here we usually refer to as a purple or violet

plums and stuff too, loje laso plants are usually darker on top of already being a dark hue

as for red-yellow it could be fruit?

tomatoes bell peppers apples etc

basing it off plants is cute to me because were the language with plant microlabels

[atomic halo]

hn, this also reminds me of how cool it is that brightness affects perception (specifically with the inbetween colors) and how that interacts with the colors in this system being bright or dark leaning

yellow when darkened starts to become an olive-ish which if i saw on its own might class as a plantcolor

pure red darkened might still be warmcolor but in rare cases i night be inclined to call it purplecolor

hm

i should've blued that last one some more i gotta get blueberries in here

[remote junco]

I can’t believe I’m already going through being jan Sonja and just kind of leaving this place alone and then dropping in and saying hi what’s new

[atomic halo]

YEAH

gisi gisi is my one hobby while im trapped in the evil dimension you must understand

dont even have my laptop here with me

what's new is that im making a color system proposal + there's an alt-pilin i thought of earlier today that i put in the sandbox sheet

[remote junco]

hfjfvyhj

[atomic halo]

'uge ka sesli sesli [ike] la 'uge si gisi gisi

oh yeah spreading my propaganda: dropping si when it's a ka phrase as predicate

ona li lon nasin -> 'a'e ka sesli silen

this will merge pona (o/li/-) tawa sina into one

[remote junco]

true!

I like it

[atomic halo]

mi wawa

[remote junco]

i used to do something similar when I started learning toki pona

[atomic halo]

lon.... i saw pona tawa sina the first time and was like "you can do that??"

[remote junco]

ka gisi menu Ka’i g si pes [kule]

using the word order shift, vocative, question, and predicate dropping

≈ jan Kali o, kule li seme

[atomic halo]

'uge si sigka'i gisi [ni] kipa

kemu si sigka'i m

[remote junco]

“I have not word-developed”
“you grow, yes”

[atomic halo]

lonnn

i was trying to imperative the second one a a

[remote junco]

i had a feeling

okay so if we’re playing around with our orange-green-violet system i want to talk about flavors

[atomic halo]

flavors......

[remote junco]

like the kind you taste

nemune (another tokiponido) has some very interesting taste word associations

https://kata.nimi.li/asan
https://kata.nimi.li/kona
https://kata.nimi.li/sipo
https://kata.nimi.li/maku
https://kata.nimi.li/kuri
https://kata.nimi.li/lapan

sorry was busy yoinking them

[atomic halo]

hmm... fascinating

[remote junco]

indeed

what’s also fascinating is that nemune also has a word for ice and glass, but rather than focusing on its transparency, it focuses on its fragility and slipperiness

https://kata.nimi.li/kisin

[atomic halo]

kisin like the namako

[remote junco]

lon…

[atomic halo]

how's nemunes colors

[remote junco]

I… actually don’t know

[atomic halo]

should we attach extra meanings to colors...? oh what are we gonna do about white and black actually

[remote junco]

you can look at the word list here https://kata.nimi.li

[atomic halo]

rosu is embarrassed and red

filled/occupied is dark? interesting

hollow is light too

[remote junco]

interesting metaphors

[atomic halo]

i assume this is like nenumes schtick? having symbolism tied to sensory words?

[remote junco]

I think so?

it’s definitely more thinky yeah

[atomic halo]

nods

[remote junco]

they also have embedded relative clauses

I uh. Do not want embedded relative clauses

[atomic halo]

could we attach the plant objects to the colors..? like green for foliage

experimental

[remote junco]

we could pull a midori from Japanese

midori means more so like lively, lush, and verdant

[atomic halo]

ahh ic ic

[remote junco]

it would be funny if sagke was green

[atomic halo]

YEAH

n... following the plant objects thread i was gonna say orange is fruit and purple is like herb or something now im trying to think if they can be abatracted

midori... midori... rubs temples

im about to go to bed but chat lend me your throat is the orange-green-purple system cunty does my reasoning make sense

[remote junco]

ah I see now, there’s only loje, pimeja+laso, walo+jelo

three color system rather than 5

[chilly urchin]

Putting my paws up to my temples dw

[chilly urchin]

I like this

[purplish side] - purple, prune, plum, bruise

a a a

[chilly urchin]

Another play around idea: what if the word for wasoweli was also the word for warmth

Makes me feel like a warm blooded animal

I have my utalas on this

But think about it 💭

[remote junco]

ooo

[chilly urchin]

It also makes sense because like

Cold blooded animals can't regulate their temperature by themselves, so they're kind of ice cubes when it comes to heat transfer

Warm blooded animals emit heat way more

In this scale

[chilly urchin]

The issue is

I don't know what to name the wasoweli word.....

I'm twirling it around like pizza dough

Also I might make a section in the sheets for glyphs when I'm #home

[wispy tendon]

a n 'uge si puki

[lucid bay]

puki li seme 🥺

rr

[remote junco]

kemu si pukis

[chilly urchin]

word is not in dictionary yet

[lucid bay]

🤬 grgrr rrrrr rgrrrrrrrrrrr

[chilly urchin]

But it is proposal by menu Ka'i

[lucid bay]

your secret wrods

[chilly urchin]

To do akesi kala merger

[lucid bay]

ooh :

isee i see

[remote junco]

ah speaking of that I am writing a userpage on sona pona about gisi gisi

[chilly urchin]

Honestly we should actually classify animals as: furry, scaly, slimy and hard

[remote junco]

as a furry slimy hard animal I agree

[chilly urchin]

Ooooooo clacks my claws 3gether awesome

Honestly that's not too bad of a system

Sensory animal

[lucid bay]

i liek dat 🥺

i woud be happy calling myself fuzzy creature

[flat wharf]

what's the phonotactics?

it seems like CV(C) but idk what the second consonant is allowed to be

[chilly urchin]

uhhhh iirc mngls

Wait

No yeah

I think it might be these

Actually maybe No l

[flat wharf]

oh yeah that makes sense since these are the one-letter words

[chilly urchin]

Oh I didn't make that connection a a a

[remote junco]

yeah

mngs

[chilly urchin]

Btw if u need help with the sona pona la thing let us kno

[chilly urchin]

Eventually I'd like to create a website for gisi gisi >:3

I already know how 2 website quite well but this needs more sili

[remote junco]

owo

[chilly urchin]

I have made a glyph section

[lucid bay]

🥺 for lon

[flat wharf]

mi wile look him 'i gisi 'a'e

can 'a'e be used as a demonstrative

[atomic halo]

pukis :]

[atomic halo]

waaait... imagine a world

紫 murasaki of japanese should be the etymology for purplecolor btw

it means some purple/red plant used for dye (gets the origin right away)

(colloquial) a woman.

hm

[lucid bay]

hwuh

❓

my wife whois purple

[atomic halo]

me when im a woman (pigmented and purplish

YEAH

[lucid bay]

she literlay is look at her role color

: !!!!!!

[atomic halo]

TRUEEE

[remote junco]

why she ourple 🤣

[lucid bay]

shes liek dat

[atomic halo]

greenword i might just steal from peta ngl. to the verdant pits for y actually that's kind of hard to fit into the phonetics here

[chilly urchin]

done.

[lucid bay]

how does she do it

[chilly urchin]

LLITERALY MEEEEEEEEEE ‼️

[atomic halo]

pankan from pandan..?🥺

[chilly urchin]

hu

y?

pandan li seme.....

u have to GIVE us the LANGUAGE and DEFINITIOn .....

i YEARN for etyymology...

[atomic halo]

it's a flavorful leaf we have like pandan flavored stuff sometimes

like in english you say it's pandan flavored im not exactly sure what it's called in the languages around here but pandan is probably loaned from one of them

unleashing the mini__me within me

[chilly urchin]

ohhhhh

DFKJNHDJHBGDHGVDJHGVDHGD

Malay represent

[remote junco]

mini will not stop being memed

[atomic halo]

From Malay pandan

[chilly urchin]

nods nods

[atomic halo]

thinking about her phonesthetics so hard rn

[chilly urchin]

It's in the sheets but nobody has put anything there yet a a a

[atomic halo]

sigka'i pankan ka sesli kusi menu magi

[chilly urchin]

if u scroll down from here u can see glyphs we were toying around with doe

[chilly urchin]

I ahte that I understand this but I am strufgling to like

get a good Jrip on the translation

ummm

||green moss/overgrowth on old tools||

[atomic halo]

lohnnn

[chilly urchin]

I love how we have made so many things but we have like 0 words for emotions

or general subjectiveness of opinion by itself

no pona no ike no monsuta

the vibes gisi gisi gives me are

wait let me get the image

[lucid bay]

LLON A !!!!!!!!!!

[opal basin]

Reminder for @chilly urchin

Reminder from YAGPDB

gisi gisi rizzy rizzy 101

[chilly urchin]

I was literally

JUST thinking about that

holy shti

[lucid bay]

'uge gisi [kepeken] kusi sigka'i btw

idont knwo if si is omitted the same way li is or nnot

[chilly urchin]

nop

[atomic halo]

this IS where i post from

[chilly urchin]

si is always placed unless using ka from what Ka'i said earlier

[atomic halo]

ya

[lucid bay]

gr rrrrr : oiki

[chilly urchin]

The si always thing was always there though

Ummmmm

What else

POh yeah

[chilly urchin]

we don't have kepeken

we have kusi

and ka

so u can say

[lucid bay]

ohhh god oiki

'uge si gisi kusi kusi sigka'i ❓

[chilly urchin]

'uge si gisi ka kusi kusi sigka'i :3

[lucid bay]

ka

uuuuu

im stil wraping my brain around ka

[chilly urchin]

ists ok I'll do my best 2 explain it as I am writing it

[lucid bay]

is it liek preposition marker

[chilly urchin]

yes and no

yes in the sense that in tp prepositions mark an indirect object ur referring to

in reference to the object or verb you're talking about

no because its usage is a little more than that

[lucid bay]

yuuea ,,- =,, z z

iwa just confused by da way it is phrased on the sheet ithink

[chilly urchin]

like it doesn't just limit itself to prepositions but also kind of a topical marker similar to la sometimes?? like
'a'e si magi ka sigka'i [bad emotions] can be interpreted as

[remote junco]

sagke gisi gisi

[lucid bay]

examples make it make more sense inmy brain

[remote junco]

sort of! it’s kind of Weird and evolved

[chilly urchin]

"they / it are muted/dulled out because of bad emotions in the quality of them being overgrown -> bad emotion becomes big"

[lucid bay]

preposition marker 2️⃣

[chilly urchin]

I'm

Going to ask what the fuck it can be

In the conlangs servert

brb

[remote junco]

lo nanpa tu

lmao

[lucid bay]

ihink i get it now doe

it is liek combination la and preposition

[remote junco]

.post lo

[covert folio]

lo – ~post-ku~ Prepositional particle that marks that the next word is a preposition.
← post-ku variant of lu, to avoid collision with the word reserved by Sonja (see ... lu)

Allows for non-pu prepositions. lo is not required when the word after is in the prepositional class (e.g. tawa, kepeken, lon, sama, tan), but it can be used to disambiguate (e.g. mi pana e tomo lo tawa sina)
Examples:

mi pali e ijo ni lo utala sina.
I make this object in opposition to you.
mi pana e ijo mi tawa sina lo esun ijo sina.
I give this thing to you in exchange for your thing.

Usually, only the first word after lo is used as a preposition. You can use lo with ja to make modified or compound prepositions (see ... ja).
See ... unambiguous for more experimental ways to grammatically disambiguate Toki Pona.

#19f1d1 lo

[remote junco]

lo utala and lo esun here is pretty much like how ka works to some extent

[atomic halo]

they're covered up in bad emotions....

[lucid bay]

mossed up with pilin ike 💔

[atomic halo]

for REAL

[lucid bay]

ifeel liek ka was da one single roadblock thta was le scaring me but i think i le get it now

a little

[chilly urchin]

ahhh get scared !!! get scared !!! !

[lucid bay]

ahhhhhhhhhhh :; ;;;;;;;;;;;;

[atomic halo]

mukaseki - 4 syllable word is fucked up we should do something about that

muka? like muk from pokemon?

[lucid bay]

wat if you simply remove a sylable or two

yuea :

[remote junco]

o kama monsuta

[remote junco]

mukaski perhaps

[atomic halo]

affect ike ka paka kemu

mukaski.. so real

ok just the word for orange too then were good

we can pretend white isn't there or something

[remote junco]

oh yeah I’m going to say it on my sona pona userpage but /k/ can also be [t]

[lucid bay]

tgis is useful iformation but

[atomic halo]

FUCKED UP AND EVIL

[lucid bay]

it mgiht jsut be a le personal issue but hte use of the word Promote confused me

[remote junco]

I was thinking that we’d have like four colors

orange, green, violet/black, white

[atomic halo]

nods nods

[chilly urchin]

This is like

Old

So it's not Good

[lucid bay]

🤬 rrrrrrrrrrrrr fix it grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[chilly urchin]

Dats why I have to work on the rewrite

[remote junco]

sili li ken pona

[chilly urchin]

I CAN'T !!!! U WANT ME TO PLAY MIKU SOOOOO BAD

[atomic halo]

ohhh nemune white being blank is like how blank is derived from blanche

[lucid bay]

I DO 🥺

jwhkrfbgsahjrbgds

[atomic halo]

we also say trắng tay (white hands) to say you have no possessions

[chilly urchin]

Do u know why

Like is it like "blank hands" or like

Is there some Old Cultural reason that just stuck

[atomic halo]

no it is literally white hands

i think the pattern pops up because dyes darken

a blank sheet of paper is white

[remote junco]

also wool is often white when you get it off of animals

[atomic halo]

lon..

[remote junco]

or at least like a light gray

and also cotton

a lot of bases for color expression are often light

since yeah dyes darken

[atomic halo]

we also say green to mean new/inexperienced because of unripe fruits btw

this could fill the new/fresh gap sin left behind

[remote junco]

oh true!

orange could be like. earth

a lot of earthy stuff is more on the side of our orange

although usually the color is more magi

[atomic halo]

recycling kales for orange because its clay

clay is really saturated lojes

[remote junco]

oh true!!!

[atomic halo]

@chilly urchin were stealing your kales

[remote junco]

kales for orange, drying, earth

[atomic halo]

night as well toss earth in there tbh

toss warm i mean

[remote junco]

like ko but more explicitly on the drier side methinks

[remote junco]

ah yeah

warm but not like Fiery perchance

[atomic halo]

kales [walo] = flour, pale orange

[chilly urchin]

my kales warriors

[atomic halo]

yeah sorry we turned your boyfriend into a color. sorry

[remote junco]

‘alapa gisi perhaps for the vibe of a room

[chilly urchin]

kales i think can be clay / orange

[atomic halo]

true. true

[chilly urchin]

I think that all color words should be tied to one (1) noun

[atomic halo]

oh on the topic of that kulisin what do you think about pilin affect

i like missed the relationship between it and gisi on the first explanation

[remote junco]

that’s pretty much how I use pilin in toki pona anyway

[atomic halo]

and i wanna bring it back real quick to see what we have to think

[remote junco]

“kasi ni li pilin pona e mi”

[atomic halo]

lon...

[remote junco]

≈ this plant makes me feel good

[atomic halo]

mi pilin ike tan ona
mi pilin tan ike suli

[remote junco]

but I do like the affecting meaning, it encourages you to think about what is making you feel that way

[atomic halo]

pilin framework of passivity update

im wondering if this pilin with no object should be like. both Affective and Being Affected

like "this fruit is pilin ike" or should it be "this fruit is pana e pilin ike"

funny thing this would make it act like how english has shit like "this looks good"

[remote junco]

intransitive affection…

yeah that would be like “it’s giving bad vibes” in English

[chilly urchin]

Me leipzig glossing gisi gisi and going like

How do you gloss 2 words that make up one word

Like

As in

n

no i'm stupid nvm

[remote junco]

oh okay

[chilly urchin]

forget about it

😭

oh my god thank god

I 4got there was a whole thing for this kind of stuff

[remote junco]

reduplication :D

I was thinking that reduplication could be like “very X”

[chilly urchin]

mhm

That's how I've been taking it at least

paka paka -> moves a lot
'alapa 'alapa -> deeply unknown
menu menu -> sigma male

[atomic halo]

who up being menu menu

[lucid bay]

coudnt be me im nesku nesku :smirk

[chilly urchin]

really fucking anything

[atomic halo]

wren is perfectly generic object

[lucid bay]

im a Really fucking thing

[lucid bay]

[atomic halo]

kemu si pankan too...

oh right assimilation

pagkan

mukaski extra meaning btw [rubs temples

considering berries used as ink im inclined to merge it into violet/black/Any Pigmentation but that's difficult to work with so maybe not

can't be something like blemish either because namunen

[chilly urchin]

Fun fact

Did you know over here

An old pigment was these little cacti isopod pillbug things

They would be crushed up because those specifically like created red dye

[atomic halo]

OHH i watched a thing about them once

[remote junco]

mukaski is the violet one right?

[atomic halo]

yuup

[remote junco]

oh we still make/use cochineal today

mukaski could be like night

[chilly urchin]

nods nods my head was a bit ko and I was like

Ah yes the tales of yore (forgets everything)

[remote junco]

I mean it has been around for quite a while

old just has a weird connotation in English as obsolete

[atomic halo]

lon...

kanesu mukaski - moon or black hole

[chilly urchin]

Yeah but they came from Mexico (and other Countries too but like) sooooooo

errrmmmmm

smirks

[chilly urchin]

nemune mukaski -> really awesome way to refer to a shooting star

[chilly urchin]

Also yeah that makes sense

Yeah why the hell odes the word work like that what the hell 🤬

so my head WASSN'T ko it was just the LANGUAGA

the linga

[chilly urchin]

this is what i asked but it hasn't received a response yet. I just like glosses

I don't know if it's 100% correct

I think

at least it nmight be

?? is be cause i am asking what da hell ka is

Also I weas trhing to look up the white hands thing but this came up instead as one of the results and

English only pronunciation guide for tonal language go

[remote junco]

ksjdjdk

anglocentrism at its finest

okay. I am almost done with the current wordlist for the sona pona. I know we’re cooking with mukaski but are there any other actual words that are floating around waiting to be documented

[chilly urchin]

And also with the like

gahn uhm

ummm well animal words are being work sopped rn so

idk with those

[remote junco]

and also is kales now this or no

[chilly urchin]

I'd like 2 add clay 2 that but I guess clay can be kales [water] or whatev

who know

[remote junco]

clay is a kind of earth

[chilly urchin]

yea

So

Yea I think this is good nods

[remote junco]

that was a pretty short atomized description, I’ll make it longer when I record it

[remote junco]

okies!

[chilly urchin]

It's also probable we'll end up modifying words as they come up in different situations so

nods

[remote junco]

lon lon

[chilly urchin]

Wait so where sgould I write the minis stuffs

Unless ur doing it sigka'i

mini

ophm yo god

dying

THE GISI GISI SUTFGF*

[lucid bay]

you love mini 🥺‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[remote junco]

lmao

I am doing some gisi gisi documentation yes

[chilly urchin]

Ok ok

nods

[remote junco]

I’m writing the basic grammar now and then I should be done for the time being

[chilly urchin]

Ohhhh oki doki

@lucid bay was there anything u wanted me 2 write about

[remote junco]

reiterating that anyone is welcome to come in and coin words and help with stuff if they wish

[lucid bay]

i duno:3 i think all i realy need is nice examples for things wrhuehehe

[chilly urchin]

nods

[lucid bay]

but i gues thats less documentatiojn and more lipu sona pona pi toki gisi gisi

[remote junco]

there will be examples in my article!

[lucid bay]

uwahehhehe excekent>:]

[remote junco]

currently the only one is ‘uge ‘i ‘alapa si namunen djjsjdjd

[atomic halo]

KWE??

[chilly urchin]

What if I pulled up and began talking like this

[atomic halo]

i would be so so upset and thriw up

gisi ike 'i 'uge si pilin ike

[chilly urchin]

DKNJHDJBHGD

[atomic halo]

we need pukis and wasoweli btw

[chilly urchin]

nods nods

[remote junco]

oh yeah pukis

what does it mean again

[atomic halo]

we also need etymology for pilin if we're on board with it

fish amphibian reptile

[remote junco]

nodding

[chilly urchin]

All the stages of the frog life cycle if the frog became fucked up and dry

[atomic halo]

it's from dragon :]

TRUEE

[atomic halo]

this la i thought of the idea in the first place because of langman

[chilly urchin]

langman?=

[atomic halo]

but we have like. 2 (two) chinese words already iirc??

langman is the poetic passion romance word

[chilly urchin]

We can0t hgave more then they win otherwise

(in my senator voice)

[atomic halo]

YEAH

[remote junco]

we have like one Cantonese word

[atomic halo]

what w was sigka'i

[remote junco]

ya

thinking of using ¿? and ¡! for namunen Lakina…

[chilly urchin]

n

for what exactly

[remote junco]

questions and exclamations

[chilly urchin]

a

i mean

s

no

wait s is negfative ?

i fogot

[remote junco]

s is a negative emphatic yeah

[chilly urchin]

yea

hissinhg

[remote junco]

mostly more with grief

but it can be “no”

[remote junco]

nah nevermind I changed my mind

[chilly urchin]

yea I think it's fine as is

We still haven't figured them out completely

[atomic halo]

laman ..? lagan. legen

these are kind of losing i can't lie with you guys

[chilly urchin]

legen is the verb in german for lying down (transitive)

or well

lying placing donmw

[atomic halo]

i do this sometimes tbh

[atomic halo]

negfagtive btw

[chilly urchin]

WOAHHHHHHHHH 🏳️‍🌈

[atomic halo]

also okay officializing the colors words for the record real q- where is our white.

white additional meaning blank or sterile like the hospital

we could even use it to refer to desaturated colors as well as light colors if we're being honest tbh.

kales magi - brown, tan, faintly orange
walo kales - warm gray, off-white
kales walo - ? basically kales magi again i guess like pona mute and pona wawa

[chilly urchin]

pilin mi la we cannnn maybe make the word for light the word for white too ken la
but not all light is white because fire

but fire does have a lot of white sometimes

[atomic halo]

fire certainly gets you closer to white

though it's also funny because tuki tiki tulu

where bright and colorful are the same word because things look more vibrant when properly lit

[chilly urchin]

ohhhh zang

i fogror

[remote junco]

umm what is the etymology of pukis…… asking for a friend

[chilly urchin]

Llllatvian

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pūķis

[remote junco]

ah :3

such a silly sounding word

[chilly urchin]

It's so good

[atomic halo]

it's so awesome

[remote junco]

[[User:CosmicPython/gisi gisi]]

[opal basin]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi

[atomic halo]

cosmic python be like pukis kanesu

im leaning towards 'age a bit to shave down the three syllable words btw but ultimately thog dont caare

[remote junco]

lon

[atomic halo]

jan Kali mention let's go

[t ~ k] has a [c] inbetween doesn't it

pucis

[remote junco]

oh yes

[atomic halo]

saɲce

[chilly urchin]

fucked up

Partying all night dental to velar

[remote junco]

aw crap I forgot to add sabi to sili’s semantic space

[chilly urchin]

this is so funny

[remote junco]

lon…

[chilly urchin]

Is it necessary to add that (?) like I feel like that is a philosophy which is like. Something yo ucan't really express outside of the context ?

[atomic halo]

mukaski having green and cyan in its definition is interesting

is it to throw you off like jokes on you all dark colors are mukaski (?)

[chilly urchin]

still so funny to me

This doesn't even have antyhing to do with the word

It just is

[atomic halo]

YEAH

[chilly urchin]

So for wasoweli I have three different options:
talk about a word for warm
talk about a word for fuzzy
find a word in a language that encompasses a similar concept
(secret fourth option platypus for a fun but eh)

[remote junco]

wabi is already listed in namunen

[remote junco]

my brain is small

[atomic halo]

pagkan - green, sky blue, fresh, new, (developing?), (lush, foliage, bush?)

< Malay pandan

lush could be sagke i think

sesli si sagke - the land has an active ecosystem

[atomic halo]

i kind of like fuzzy tbh

number 1 wasoweli feature

it contrasts pukis being scaly or smooth too

[chilly urchin]

No yeah I'm just saying that adding a philosophy to a word that comes from a cultural context kind of feels like it undermines the variability of the word because you're ascribing it meaning that not all cultures share (instead of it being its own thing)

[atomic halo]

nods sagely

i think the other meanings are fine though wabi sabi being last reads to me like they're like. supplementary reading

menu pagkan - baby, alien

[atomic halo]

also btw i think ka is more fun when it's experimental and free

so i think with the ones that aren't illegal it should be specified maybe it's like, a common interpretation? rather than Ka This Means This

[chilly urchin]

YHeah

[atomic halo]

because that's like double vocabulary

[chilly urchin]

I like the highly interpretative nature of ka

Because it's like

Fucked up wht u can do with it

Maybe it could be examples

Like ka is a sort of poki'd la

And lexicalizing la is ike

[atomic halo]

lon..

[chilly urchin]

Like it's not a preposition All the time and I think that0s like

The Fun of it

[atomic halo]

sigka'i Mali'u

sigka'i Mali'u si gisi: kemu 'i las'e 'a'e si paka

[lucid bay]

sigka'i Mali'u 'i 'uge si sili sili

[atomic halo]

namunen kales si paka kipa ka ka menu kales si sili mukaski kipa

[chilly urchin]

nnnn rubbing my temles

[lucid bay]

ohuuuuu itihkn i need le ante toki i can not understand thinngs good righ ow wrhjbdsfg

[atomic halo]

a a

||the emoji doesn't move so the little emoji guy can't turn to dust||

[chilly urchin]

oh my god dtaht thwas

So not obvios

[remote junco]

this certainly, they come last for a reason

[chilly urchin]

also mukaski?

[atomic halo]

a a a

[remote junco]

they’re just good for a gist

[atomic halo]

it's because in the original one he turns to black dust

[chilly urchin]

OHHHHH

[atomic halo]

he like rots and spreads away like ash

[chilly urchin]

So Is mukaski black

/dark

[remote junco]

okay now I can get back to my 0-day patch of my article

[atomic halo]

mukaski li pimeja li laso loje laso kin

[remote junco]

my mom dragged me off to play Uno

[atomic halo]

loje laso lone

[chilly urchin]

mhm mhm

[atomic halo]

uno isn't a ke therefore it's impossible to talk about uno in gisi gisi. bad language

[chilly urchin]

Nobody has yet said what the fuck is ka in conlang server

[atomic halo]

they love your ka sooo much

[remote junco]

yeah that’s the point ahah

[atomic halo]

menu ka sesli sesli gisi 'i kepa kusi <ka> si gisi kipa btw

[remote junco]

the only absolute ones are the illegal ones, which are particles outside of ka

[atomic halo]

i feel like im supposed to put a pi after the kepa but i dont have a good ka phrase for it

[remote junco]

it’s fine

I didn’t include ku on the list for a reason

mostly for experimentation

[atomic halo]

are we going with implied pi like "kiku tiki tuki tiki"

[remote junco]

ya

for now at least

[atomic halo]

hn.. fascinating

i guess as a crutch i could just do "ka nesku" as a pi because it can mean nebulously somehow related

but that feels like cheating

[chilly urchin]

nods jajely

[atomic halo]

nods sagkely

[remote junco]

ooo

oh yeah we have used ka nesku to mean related and with

[atomic halo]

nods nods

i want to get to know ka-pi so ill probably try to refrain from ka nesku as much as possible in favor of other more fascinating options

[chilly urchin]

yeah

[atomic halo]

but i think its def not like Evil Illegal to just do it as pi

[chilly urchin]

I like pi not existing

because it forces you to figure out the relationship between objects

to an even deeper level

very good

[remote junco]

ka nesku ≈ related to, similar to, like, with (comitative)

pona ala pona

[atomic halo]

lon....

[chilly urchin]

mhm

makes senze

[atomic halo]

leme - passion, feeling, mood; influence, affect, aura
nn...

not very sure how to phrase it

also might have to see it in use to evaluate it more

magi sagke 'i 'uge si leme - im plagued by lifelessness

[chilly urchin]

leme tan toki SEME 🤬

[atomic halo]

LONN

[chilly urchin]

WHAT'S THE ETYMOLOY

[atomic halo]

LANGMAAAN im not gonna go copypaste the chinese for it though im lazy

menu leme - a charismatic person? a sensitive person? both related to feeling strongly so i think the blend is fine

[chilly urchin]

oihhhhh

I forgot 💔

[atomic halo]

a a a

nesku si leme [lukin] kipa - the object is colorless / visually unimpressive

n.. much to think about

[chilly urchin]

Ok I think

After I get a good etymology for the wasoweli word

We can try to analyze what we got Thus far

[atomic halo]

tenpo pi sili gisi?

my vote is still on fuzzy wasoweli btw

[chilly urchin]

nods nods

[remote junco]

also going to add that nesku could have similarity be in its semantic space

sorry I keep getting whisked away but I am locked in for the rest of the night now

[atomic halo]

i figured it had something like that going on with the Example definition

paka ka nesku 'uge = move like me (move with me as the example)

[remote junco]

sona pona article updated

[atomic halo]

wawa

[remote junco]

my partner pointed out more things I should fix skjdkkf

[atomic halo]

ooh could nesku be template or format hm

[remote junco]

nesku kepa

[atomic halo]

lon ...

paka ka nesku kepa [ni]

[remote junco]

okay new edit pushed! should be much better now

[atomic halo]

hn, what do we do with the sheets if there's a sona pona page now

i think you're the only one who edits the page so maybe it could be repurposed to an. update log?

we add words to it and you look at the sheet to remember what's new

ansem

[remote junco]

the sheet is the more general community oriented area

the sona pona article is like the uhhh Official™️ lipu

[atomic halo]

lon....

itll also probably be updated less frequently, g?

[remote junco]

absolutely

[atomic halo]

and maybe won't have our experimental in progress words

[remote junco]

this is the most edits it will get for a bit

I’ll let gisi gisi cook

[atomic halo]

leme gisi - eloquence

im holding my wretched hand back from merging musi into it

i have wretched baka feelings about art and expression unfortunately

'uge si leme leme ka gisi musi

[remote junco]

ahh leme is the affect word

[atomic halo]

just as well though i have baka feelings about art and humor being grouped under one

art is just really good in general i think

[remote junco]

art and humor are an interesting one

humor is more of something that tries to leme pona you

art is much more diverse

art can make you happy, make you sad, make you angry, make you scared

[atomic halo]

lonnn

art is gisi leme coded in that it both expresses feelings and induces feelings

[remote junco]

YEAH

that’s a good way to put it

[flat wharf]

question how could i say “this document”
like is gisi ‘a’e fine

or ‘a’e gisi

or something else

[remote junco]

there isn’t a word for this quite yet — I should have mentioned it’s not a complete lexicon

fiiine ONE more edit cannot hurt

(there is a somewhat preliminary sona pona userpage article I have made for it)

[flat wharf]

ik tuki tiki uses the same word for demonstrative as it does for 3rd person which is why i was wondering if that could just be used in that way

[flat wharf]

wawa suli

[remote junco]

true! but I was thinking of something more general, like merging ni and taso together

and also the more obscure nimi sin tokana

[flat wharf]

ooh interesting

[remote junco]

just to hone in (unintended pun) on specificity

[flat wharf]

pronoun with additional semantic meaning is super cool

[remote junco]

yes!!!

I was thinking of something like that for ‘uge/kemu/‘a‘e but I couldn’t think of much

[atomic halo]

will today finally be the day of tokana taso ni merger

[remote junco]

okay fixed [[User:CosmicPython/gisi gisi]]

[opal basin]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:CosmicPython%2Fgisi_gisi

[remote junco]

ka gisi menu Ka’i g si pes kemu /gen

[atomic halo]

s-si pes?

[chilly urchin]

this is so funny

lemme talk

[atomic halo]

TRUE

[chilly urchin]

I like that

[atomic halo]

nunaku do you have any guesses on si pes

[chilly urchin]

Also please please transitive taso

[chilly urchin]

nnnnmm

yes}

[remote junco]

to focus on

[chilly urchin]

is pes being used as like

en subject marker like

kijetesantakalu

[remote junco]

I suggest reading the article, I added an important detail to the grammar

[remote junco]

yeah

[atomic halo]

oh slay

reading rn

[chilly urchin]

ah i was right

im so #slay

[remote junco]

yeah the article is now FREE of any glaring errors currently present

[chilly urchin]

YAY

This is so fucking cool good job everyone :DDDD

[remote junco]

it is ready for next time I decide to update it with more words and grammar decisions

[atomic halo]

ohh si marks a blank predicate so it's like "what are you doing?" is my guess

[remote junco]

yeah!!

seme without seme

[atomic halo]

mi sona.

[remote junco]

so “ka gisi menu Ka’i g si pes kemu” is equivalent to “jan Kali o sina seme”

[atomic halo]

lon....

[remote junco]

so it can be “what are you doing” or “how are you” or “what are you”

etc.

[atomic halo]

'uge si paka paka ka ka 'uge si magi

no tenpo got me fucked up

[remote junco]

paka paka ‘i menu si magi

[atomic halo]

m...

[remote junco]

we will get to time sometime I am curious on how to work with that

[atomic halo]

yeah like time really do just be time

[chilly urchin]

Time is a weird concept

I think it's good we haven't made a word for it yet though

We have two concepts that deal with time somewhat

[atomic halo]

we will rip time out of the bloody carcass of kepa and sili ourselves

[chilly urchin]

kepa

Oh

I was thinking about pake

For some reason

[atomic halo]

i still dont know what pake is a a a

[remote junco]

¿¿¿g pes gisi Pake ka sesli gisi gisi???

[chilly urchin]

Wait

Squints

My fuckijg dumbass kept switching the syllables around

[atomic halo]

is it kepa a a

[chilly urchin]

Yea

anyway u forgot the other time coded wordddd!!!!

las'e

[atomic halo]

my language will be chaotic differently from man

LAS'E

yourerught

uhhh hm

'age sagke si las'e ka ka 'uge si paka paka

||when the sun rose i ran around a lot||

'age sagke si paka sigka'i ka ka 'uge si magi
||when the sun moved some more i began resting||

it's so fascinating to try to like. use landmarks for time the same way were used to for space

[remote junco]

if las’e is like birth then where is the death word

[atomic halo]

yeah where IS the death word [crosses my arms]

[remote junco]

using death as the word for a destination /j

[atomic halo]

LONN

[remote junco]

las’e is more metaphorical, so perhaps a goal is more the death word

like ka paka is for literally moving to something

but ka [moli] would be like to achieve something

[atomic halo]

separate words for pini (properly finish) and pini (end prematurely) let's go?

[remote junco]

interesting

[atomic halo]

saying this because magi means end in the sense of actually make it not happen anymore

so ka [moli] being a like. end as in the work is done would pair with that

perhaps merge it around with wile a little bit?

wile and alasa

[chilly urchin]

yuo are so tarot coded

[atomic halo]

mi lipu

[chilly urchin]

ihfuck

ill give my thoguhts ina bit

[atomic halo]

nesku si sili ka ka sagke Nunaku si gisi

||using "a generic object ages" as a really scuffed "time passes"||

[remote junco]

time sure is something

[atomic halo]

it's so so funny

[chilly urchin]

||things ferment la I will talk||

[atomic halo]

for REAL

[chilly urchin]

RThat is so good

[atomic halo]

we should actually do this for good

we have sesli to mean generic location we should focus on doing space instead of time

[chilly urchin]

Yeah dats what I am Sayign

enko coded

[atomic halo]

enko coded !!!

i think some stuff is gonna be hard because nesku si sili is still fucked up in my mind

we could just officialize sili's relationship with time

sili ka ka -> when some evolution happens -> tenpo la ish??

but ill have to stew over that

stew that over. think that over

ill have to sili it

[chilly urchin]

pickle that over

[atomic halo]

YUUP

[remote junco]

LON

[atomic halo]

maybe having one thing to describe time passing but not time itself could be a similar level of works but inconvenient as like

not having enko but having poka and ma

[remote junco]

I do say sili is like old

pagkan is like the green/fresh word right

[atomic halo]

silen sili - process

[remote junco]

pagkan/sili antonymic pair

[atomic halo]

that's what im suggesting ya! im also wondering if foliage should be part of the package

or if we should keep with the fresh meaning

[remote junco]

ooh that would be a good idea

[remote junco]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[atomic halo]

lon...

they're so funny were being like "we have sin which is also grass, and we have majuna which is also mold"

will have to play around with them to see if they're hogging up too much with sin/majuna as one of the central properties

wait no i lied mold is only implicated in sili i forgot

sili itself doesn't have mushrooms in it

... now how do you say yesterday

[remote junco]

well I can say tomorrow

we need something for preceding

wait.

ka sili

[atomic halo]

ka sili...

[remote junco]

sili/kepa antonymic pair unlocked?

actually yeah that does make sense, kepa does have the organization/decluttering meaning

and sili is like. Decomposition oops you just lost your pristine mall to water damage

[atomic halo]

gisi gisers when there's dichotomies

so youre proposing ka kepa as following and ka sili as preceding?

[remote junco]

yeah, I’ve already recorded ka kepa as following/after

[atomic halo]

nods sagely

[remote junco]

tenpo sinpin/monsi? nonsense. get around cultural silliness by simply doing a metaphor that’s not used

[atomic halo]

FOR REALL

cheese -> decay -> time pipeline

[remote junco]

lon…

aging like a fine cheese

[atomic halo]

why did you make ka kepa following specifically and not preceding

it feels like by itself it could go both ways

[remote junco]

well, it was kind of mostly thinking of the thing after the ka kepa as like the pattern, and the thing before the ka kepa as the next addition on the metaphorical kepa

[atomic halo]

i see....

[remote junco]

for sili, it’s like the thing after the ka sili is the sili and the thing before the ka sili is the thing that the sili is happening to

[atomic halo]

'uge si magi ka kepa paka paka
-> i sleep as a sequence to moving a lot

[remote junco]

basically super abstracted and metaphorical relative clause perhaps

[atomic halo]

'uge si paka paka ka sili magi
-> i move a lot deteriorating into sleeping

interesting. interesting

it's a lexicalization a bit but so is tenpo kama so who caare

[remote junco]

I’m open to hearing more intuitive phrasing

this is just a pair of weird metaphors that came to mind

[chilly urchin]

IT'S AWESOMEEE

So here is why I like

[atomic halo]

the council chime in on ka kepa

[chilly urchin]

Love sili and las'e and kepa + pagkan

Because like

This language so far has been about challenging toki pona

In its semantic spaces a Lot right

But also

The way this has evolved is so fascinating to me

Because we like

Jumped right in in trying to make sense of like

a 12 word vocab

And we've been building from that simplicity into this very very metaphorical complexity

And the reason I love sili as a metaphor for time is that like

Fermentation / pickling / curdling / leavening are all like

sili right

and they are such important parts of like

So so so so many cultures

I am no anthropologist so I can't make the blanket statement of "all" but I think it's fair to assume that at least one of these is part of cultures

And the reason I love it is because it's such a perfect way to describe passage of time forward

Leaving things in conditions like this can be bad (rot) or good (yummy alcohol / pickled vegetables / cheese / bread)

It not only shapes cultures culinarily but also just like. It's survival

[atomic halo]

lonnnn

[chilly urchin]

I want to eventually write paragraphs about like

Semantic spaces of each word

And I feel like sili is going to give me brainworms

(already has)

[atomic halo]

this kind of makes me want to switch around ka kepa/sili on account of like

kepa is what we extrapolate from the past and sili is the unfolding of the future

actually wait nvm it's already like that

a a a im sleepy i like forgot

[atomic halo]

@remote junco how's this phrasing though

[chilly urchin]

Also also

Why I love wasoweli / puki / secret pipi disctinction

Because like

[atomic halo]

secret pipi :]

[chilly urchin]

It also describes their textures

wasowelis are furred and fuzzy most of the time

kala and akesi have usually either rough scaly or smooth skins

But they're close enough to each other that grouping them makes sense

Salamanders are soft lizards

[atomic halo]

gisi pukis kemu 'i 'uge si leme

salamanders are soft lizards... sobbing

[chilly urchin]

DKJHDHJKBDGBJHV

But pipis are like

Very Varied

• boneless

So that's also another interesting reason to pair together

[atomic halo]

pipis can be furred AND smooth

[chilly urchin]

nods nods