You expect it to be like
#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin
chilly urchin
Also
I just realized the funniest thing u can say with the current inventory so far
(Kinda)
[pilin] magi ka [sama] sili
I feel so sickly like I am fermented
chilly urchin
pickle Kali....
atomic halo
trying to explore silen btw im thinking of how to conceptualize it that isn't nasin linja
kusi 'i gisi si paka ka silen 'alapa
||the phone moves communication around by way of air? ka silen as a medium or route?||
chilly urchin
silen can mean insa if you think about it
atomic halo
can it really.... bats my eyelashes
chilly urchin
kusi 'i gisi si paka ka silen 'alapa
||the phone moves communication around by w...
||you act the language through movement ? -> sign language? ||
chilly urchin
kusi 'i gisi si paka ka silen 'alapa
||the phone moves communication around by w...
Oh
OH
KUSI
NOT KAMU
FUCK
atomic halo
LOLL
chilly urchin
NENDHWKSN
atomic halo
noneko you gotta give me the silen insa propaganda im failing my conceptualization checks on account of the 2am
chilly urchin
Well like mmmm
Through something can imply that that something has an inside. Sometimes
That is kind of it though like. you bury through the dirt is arguably silen
Which is arguably insa
But it's a bit ambiguous
atomic halo
strokes my shit sagely
atomic halo
shit beihfb my libgwgite beard
JAHAH
caves be like silen teles
i can see it....
silen teles can also mean just Root Again because it transfer nutrients which is both frustrating and delightful
atomic halo
its actually really important to imagine the nitrates going through the root in big cartoony circles
hm. is a door silen
it is a passage through something but it's distinctly not cord shaped
perhaps a corridor is more silen
along the line of passage through stuff i am also thinking about lipamanka's lupa definition of a gap that lets something through that the material around it couldn't (glass lets light, air lets people)
much to think about
chilly urchin
Mmmmmmm
Yes yes
I think a door may not be silen depending on what we want to mean
Personally I think a silen has to be a transition point from one place to another
But like
Kind of like
Liminal space yewkneow
atomic halo
so real.
chilly urchin
Like a tunnel or staircase feels more silen than just a door or window
But what do u think
chilly urchin
🥺
atomic halo
though allowing it to also mean a boundary might be fun
chilly urchin
Nnnnn yes true.......
atomic halo
lupa-nasin-selo merger but itll diminish the point-a to point-b aspect of it
chilly urchin
silen nesku
The boundary of nesku
or the traveling points
Depends on how u use it
atomic halo
lon....
ill also take silen as nasin itself though it's kind of about like. do you think of a boundary as a stopping wall or a medium layer
maybe the medium layer is more like the lupa in the boundary than the boundary itself
chilly urchin
Mmmmmmm yeah
atomic halo
medium (ghost person) be like silen 'alapa btw
atomic halo
TRUEEE
chilly urchin
ka is nice
remote junco
ka is nice
atomic halo
kun't official...?🥺
remote junco
making even the sickliest of states be magical
atomic halo
for REAL
remote junco
kun't official...?🥺
I warm up to it more and more
atomic halo
kunt official is what i say when i see a mother slaying btw
remote junco
am I kunt official
atomic halo
friday is a pretty good name isn't it
remote junco
shskjdj really??
chilly urchin
Yeah one of my headmates is called that
remote junco
guau que sorpendiendo
atomic halo
i didnt knwo rhat... mean to me...
wispy tendonBOT
mi
remote junco
I just see pfp and go heehoo
remote junco
Doesn't know the awesome word for Friday
YA SÉ I’m just blind
chilly urchin
I just see pfp and go heehoo
Ejsjwbdjbw same 😭
@atomic halo gisi eliki think about it
remote junco
eliki…….
atomic halo
gisi eliki to be quite honest.
remote junco
expanding eliki to be tied to like hunger and thirst and stuff perhaps (in gisi gisi i mean)
chilly urchin
Plurality in gisi gisi
remote junco
expanding eliki to be tied to like hunger and thirst and stuff perhaps (in gisi ...
using the Cherokee etymology of ehisdi, we can get e’iski
chilly urchin
Mmmmmm idk?? Hunger and thirst kind of go away if you eat but eliki feels more like. Something neutral yet a challenge. Like plurality and neurodivergence aren't like thirst or hunger for me because they don't go away but they're also like. I'm fine with them
Though
I do suppose that like a Buddhist could call thirst and hunger eliki
remote junco
hunger and thirst also don’t go away as long as you are alive, that’s why I say that
you will always return to being hungry, it is a chronic state of being as well
remote junco
my brain is too expanded from philosophical thinking I think
chilly urchin
She out here Epicureanism
My eliki is sitting at a garden eating bread water and cheese
remote junco
but basically like something chronic and generally immutable is my gist
chilly urchin
No I do think thirst and hunger are a bit of an eliki I have changed my opinion
remote junco
ken la mi jo e eliki moku
eliki moku can be like hunger or eating disorder, very interesting
chilly urchin
mmmmmm
remote junco
saying tengo hambre and hace frío and stuff like that is cool to me
atomic halo
you will always return to being hungry, it is a chronic state of being as well
:nimisgisi: samsala
remote junco
what is the preterite verb in Spanish that means roughly like “wanted to but failed to accomplish it”
chilly urchin
saying tengo hambre and hace frío and stuff like that is cool to me
Ah nods nods
Uhhh
remote junco
I heard it mentioned in my Spanish II class but I forgot it instantly
chilly urchin
Mmmmmmmmmm thinking hard
remote junco
perhaps it’s just quis- no sé actualmente
atomic halo
hell yeah language factoids
remote junco
anyway
un gringo en mi clase dijo “estoy caliente”
él quiso decir “tengo calor”
chilly urchin
JAJAJAJAHSJSBQJS
remote junco
my teacher actually knew a lick of Spanish and called him out on it
atomic halo
:gisinimis: kigko
remote junco
and I remarked “oh I didn’t know you were being spicy”
chilly urchin
ZESTY????
remote junco
translating caliente as namako
chilly urchin
perhaps it’s just quis- no sé actualmente
Btw was this quisiera?
remote junco
no just the stem change in preterite for querer
chilly urchin
Quise
remote junco
quisiera I have not gotten to yet, my brain is still unknowing of el subjunctivo
conjugation-wise that is
chilly urchin
El Subjuntivo
Wrestler name
And his costume is some play on words about language and the eye
remote junco
he’s masked with a tight spandex cloth and there’s no detail and you can’t see any facial features but don’t worry he can breathe through it
hypothetically a person!
atomic halo
el subjuntivo is like a disco elysium encyclopedia check
remote junco
hypothetically a person!
I just realized I described the Greendale Human Being
chilly urchin
Bekxbkwnwm
atomic halo
A wrestler. Big household name about 10 years ago. His costume was a play on words -- an avant-garde commentary on language and the eye.
chilly urchin
I just realized I described the Greendale Human Being
What the fuck
chilly urchin
A wrestler. Big household name about 10 years ago. His costume was a play on wor...
ALSO. I MEGA DID A SILLY HERE BECAUSE
I was like
Oj like subconjuntival like from eye blood
No
Anyway when is the wile word coming
atomic halo
ohhh just like subconjunctival why is that a real word in my autocomplete
yeah when's wile
things i have to say floating around the concept of wile: i think it is cool in fantasy settings when material reality is shaped by the wills of individuals and people with contradicting ideas can fight each other psychically to see whose will is better
something something exerting influence something something manifesting your reality
atomic halo
i dont think we Should have a gisi for psychic powers or anything its just a conversation starter because i need to go to bed like right now
chilly urchin
About the word for will
Like it
something about german but in german it only measns "want"
But in english it ended up also meaning "volition" etc which I think is a cool
o magi pona
atomic halo
volition :]
atomic halo
o magi pona
'uge si magiiii 'uge si magiiii
chilly urchin
lullaby....
opal basinBOT
Reminder for @chilly urchin
atomic halo
umm.. ahhhah.. well....
remote junco
is bully my new headnoun
atomic halo
TRUE
chilly urchin
I deadass had forgotten about this
ALSO SHOULDN'T YOU BE IN BED
Anyway so
Seme is a good particle yes
But
It's not a fun construction ka gisi gisi
atomic halo
can we do something about X ala X
chilly urchin
This sounds like a threat
atomic halo
it's gone on for too long.
remote junco
X ala X is an import from mandarin
chilly urchin
Interesting
X ala X is fun and I like it
seme feels like it can be improved upon
remote junco
like you’ll have X bú X in mandarin pretty often
chilly urchin
and ofc X ala X can also be modified
remote junco
seme is ijo but the addressee has to fill it in
chilly urchin
mhm mhm
hmmmm
See so the anu seme construction is also weird
I prefer it when it's something you too believe to be true
I think we can play around with this too
remote junco
nodding
atomic halo
English puts the question word at the start so clearly we have to put it at the end. kemu ka si [seme]
'i kusi si paka ka pes [seme]
a a a
chilly urchin
Honestly I was thinking of something with ka but mmm
I am just like juggling 3 smorbillion ideas
And also sometimes looking up interrogative in other natlangs and conlangs
atomic halo
what do other languages do
remote junco
English puts the question word at the start so clearly we have to put it at the ...
iirc this is a Celtic feature, moving around the word order
atomic halo
wiah.. englisg has lore
chilly urchin
what do other languages do
Well some have the very easy "I have a particle that indicates this is a question" whereas others do use intonation. There's ofc the "change the word order" version of it,
chilly urchin
There is no conjugation so far in gisi gisi but we could maybeeee use clitics somehow
chilly urchin
kute is like just pilin kalama etc etc
nods nods
remote junco
There is no conjugation so far in gisi gisi but we could maybeeee use clitics s...
if you have ideas feel free to share with the class
chilly urchin
I am #thinking
atomic halo
[sentence], g? or even ka g? if we're feeling adventurous
if we're going to do "m is imperative coded" then this could complement that
fallen pasture
using the Cherokee etymology of ehisdi, we can get e’iski
maybe e'isni? k is like further away from d than n is imo
chilly urchin
So the first idea that comes to mind is the use of a particle or clitic similar to seme but it is attached to the word you want to highlight. If it was a clitic then it would also have its own sort of meaning
remote junco
hm fair
fallen pasture
I am #thinking
wait then. what's the word for ear
fallen pasture
syure
remote junco
[sentence], g? or even ka g? if we're feeling adventurous
g, [sentence] is my idea so far
remote junco
lon…
fallen pasture
g [sentence] g?
you could extend this to the other interjections for uh. mood? like s [sentence] s if you think it's bad
is it called mood or is that a diff thing 😔
i guess like. vibes
fallen pasture
I had a really funny idea
what is it
chilly urchin
Uhhh not mood I think
chilly urchin
what is it
nesku is already an unspecified thing and I was thinking about how in Japanese onomatopoeias get more pronounced when you voice their consonants so just. g the nesku. negku
now I don't like this too much because it's just seme but a bit funnier
But it is funny so I share with the class
atomic halo
i was just about to be like "wait ka g can go anywhere. what if seme is just [guess] ka g or nesku ka g
fallen pasture
i was just about to be like "wait ka g can go anywhere. what if seme is just [gu...
oh like kinda. encontentening in
atomic halo
negku seems like it would be our word for seme, n?
fallen pasture
it
chilly urchin
The idea of altering the word order is fun too I think. Like
'uge 'i keles si kipa
kipa [particle] 'uge 'i keles
fallen pasture
nvm just looked up nesku
chilly urchin
i was just about to be like "wait ka g can go anywhere. what if seme is just [gu...
That is also a possibility yes....
atomic halo
altering word order would probably still need to specify the position because i assume we still have li stacking
i Assume because SOV interacts with li stacking in a funny way i think
chilly urchin
Yeah that's what the [particle] is
atomic halo
any si repetitions will probably be assumed to apply to the same object (if it exists) the same way li e e does it
chilly urchin
Since there's no particle to mean "this is the subject"
atomic halo
so if you want a completely separate predicate you NEED the second one to have an object
atomic halo
Since there's no particle to mean "this is the subject"
aaa lon
chilly urchin
any si repetitions will probably be assumed to apply to the same object (if it e...
a nnnn yes
atomic halo
its like. the exit; here is an Optional part (direct object)
so it interacts with repetition strangely
atomic halo
that or we could still keep si as the exit? basically keeping the same repetition options as original tp
X ('i Y 'i Z si A) (si B)
multiple objects to one verb; all apply to only the verb adjacent to it
chilly urchin
ohhhh
atomic halo
not sure how i feel about that though it seems. harder to read in this order
atomic halo
yeahg...
chilly urchin
X to the A to the B did Y, did Z
Of course it's kind of ambiguous in that "eerrmm so does Z applies to it" but like
The same happens in TP
Unless we want a way to disambiguate
atomic halo
lon....
atomic halo
a second option is that if you have two predicates you have to put the one with an object last
atomic halo
so
X si Y si Z
X si Y 'i A si Z
X 'i B si Y 'i A si Z
it could be sad for you if you need the predicates in a specific order to maintain pacing. but like in that case you can also make two sentences so it's probably fine
hn... "X does Y, and as for A it does Z"
chilly urchin
nods
I think I am gonna look at the level of complexity some tokiponidos add to them
remote junco
ka nesku could be commitative
remote junco
if ka kipa is like unrelated or without then ka nesku could be related or with
chilly urchin
The idea of altering the word order is fun too I think. Like
'uge 'i keles si k...
What do u think abt this
remote junco
word order would be cool
perhaps it becomes more topical in nature, like you put the thing you’re most unsure about as the first word
fallen pasture
it's interesting how sili and magi overlaps
and how glosbe is it's own language lmao
its
tugdohsn
atomic halo
the sili magi venn diagram.. [rubs my temples]
fallen pasture
the sili magi venn diagram.. [rubs my temples]
they both have faded in the dictionary
remote junco
kemu ‘i ke si paka
g pes kemu ‘i ke si paka?
g ‘i ke pes kemu si paka?
g si paka pes kemu ‘i ke?
atomic halo
oh yeah kolisin thoughts on pukis and magi are there any changes you wish to make
chilly urchin
sili 'i [nesku] si [paka]
[paka] [sub] sili 'i [nesku]
[nesku] [sub] sili si [paka]
perhaps witha a question aprticle
ansem
atomic halo
they both have faded in the dictionary
i did that fully on accident it's over for me. so true though
remote junco
I did propose g as a question particle
chilly urchin
oh yeah kolisin thoughts on pukis and magi are there any changes you wish to mak...
Oh i forgot 2 say anything before about pukis
chilly urchin
I did propose g as a question particle
a lon
atomic halo
a rusty robot that doesn't power up anymore is both sili and magi
it's magi sili even
remote junco
misread as busty robot please help
atomic halo
LOLL
fallen pasture
busty bobot
chilly urchin
I think my biggest issue with g as a question particle is mostly on the pronunciation side?? Since n and x/N/ are similar
strong tartanBOT
I think my biggest issue with g as a question particle is mostly on the pronunci...
/ŋ/
remote junco
true
fallen pasture
I think my biggest issue with g as a question particle is mostly on the pronunci...
maybe n and l can be merged
it is in like. a lect of mandarin iirc?
so it's like. mlgs
remote junco
although it’s not like a) languages don’t distinguish between them and b) n is literally just a filler word for “um”
you’re more likely to encounter g being used in this case
thinking about tagalog which uses ng as a particle
chilly urchin
although it’s not like a) languages don’t distinguish between them and b) n is l...
Nnn lon
remote junco
idk for what but it stands out
remote junco
plusssss there is a bit of a tonal difference between gisi N and gisi G
chilly urchin
(pronounced "v")
remote junco
n is more flat, long, and low; g is rising and short
chilly urchin
O i didint know that
fallen pasture
maybe n and l can be merged
thinking about if there would be any minimpairs from this but i don't thinxo
chilly urchin
I dont think it was mentioned unless I am a forgetter
chilly urchin
Aaaaa oiki
remote junco
n is more flat, long, and low; g is rising and short
and m is higher
chilly urchin
ok so going back on this
fallen pasture
thinking about if there would be any minimpairs from this but i don't thinxo
kales and kanesu i guess but it may or may not be replaced anyways
atomic halo
oh final message pukis la ik it's for all cold blooded animals but i also envision it as a kala-akesi merger with jellyfish and crabs being more pipi-adjacent
chilly urchin
g sili 'i [nesku] si [paka]
g [paka] [sub] sili 'i [nesku]
g [nesku] [sub] sili si [paka]
or
sili 'i [nesku] si [paka] g
[paka] [sub] sili 'i [nesku] g
[nesku] [sub] sili si [paka] g
or
g sili 'i [nesku] si [paka] g
g [paka] [sub] sili 'i [nesku] g
g [nesku] [sub] sili si [paka] g
atomic halo
you could have soweli/waso - kala/akesi - pipi/ko
it depends on how much you want to scrunch up the detailing on animals though
fallen pasture
you could have soweli/waso - kala/akesi - pipi/ko
are microbes cold or hot blooded
remote junco
I’m thinking that in questions the subject does get marked even if it normally isn’t, just to make it slightly more clear from the start
g becomes ne-like in energy
fallen pasture
that's the thing we're goinger forer right
remote junco
well for starters microbes don’t Have blood
atomic halo
the 3 party system im going for wouldn't center cold or hot blooded i think microbes can go in pipiko
flat wharf
seme la mi ken kama sona e ni or would i just have to backread
chilly urchin
microbe entire inside is gloop
atomic halo
do worms have blood.....
atomic halo
seme la mi ken kama sona e ni or would i just have to backread
we have a vocab sheet!
noneko go
chilly urchin
seme la mi ken kama sona e ni or would i just have to backread
scrawling around guys hide everything
remote junco
there is a Google doc yeah
fallen pasture
the 3 party system im going for wouldn't center cold or hot blooded i think micr...
fairir
pipko
flat wharf
i have found it
chilly urchin
do worms have blood.....
Yeah !! and 5 hearts
fallen pasture
Yeah !! and 5 hearts
but is it warm or cold
atomic halo
kusi Kani si gisi ku sesli sesli 'uge
chilly urchin
cold
fallen pasture
ok
chilly urchin
Only mammals and avians can produce body heat in the sense we measure it
fallen pasture
i googled it too on the google got gom
chilly urchin
nods
We have a googles docs for like extended explanation and stuff but we havent touched it smirks
Beacuse were still
gisi gising out here
flat wharf
kusi Kani si gisi ku sesli sesli 'uge
i am talking of our (idk what reduplication does)
i like the hawai'ian (?) esque merger of t and k
chilly urchin
I think it's you (ilo Tani) are talking (pi) our place
flat wharf
why are there two sesli
atomic halo
scientists are still looking into it to this day
atomic halo
why are there two sesli
ka doesn't do anything by itself, it turns the word right after it into a preposition-ish
(ka sesli) sesli 'uge = (in/housed by) our house
chilly urchin
booooo tomato tomato tomato
atomic halo
also we should add chart to the sheets
we should kusi gisi
syllable structure and pronunciation
chilly urchin
Oh wait lon
atomic halo
hm. what if bacteria goes in with the moss word on account of Simple Organism
is that too much
because some algae and such are literally just like single cells so like
atomic halo
we kind of treat them the same too like the bread moldy or the bread has germs on it
chilly urchin
We need 2 have a day where we make NO more words for the day and we just try to talk and express things
atomic halo
same thing to meeee its indistinct living substance
TRUE
tenpo pi nimis kipa
putting the hand of creation on the top shelf until we learn to behave
chilly urchin
DNKJDHDBJKH
atomic halo
putting the hand of creation on the top shelf until we learn to behave
'uge 'i kusi nimis gisi si kipa ka ka 'uge 'i gisi si sili btw
it might even be a kusi ka las'e nimis gisi if we're being honest.
chilly urchin
ka ka is like la right not alu
atomic halo
for now ya
chilly urchin
nods
chilly urchin
'uge 'i kusi nimis gisi si kipa ka ka 'uge 'i gisi si sili btw
||if (context) we stop the tool of extra words we make gisi grow||
atomic halo
ya!! i was thinking ||we ferment gisi specifically, like we have to sit and explore with the words we have||
||it's a process that's very tied to giving it some time hence i called it sili||
chilly urchin
||No yeah !!! I got that from it, I like it :D||
Fermentation for sili is like
Gives me rabies
It's so good
Fermentation is such an important process
And so symbolic when you describe like
Changing something
atomic halo
hell yeah
chilly urchin
Brainworms in gisi gisi thread common theme
atomic halo
gisi gisers when there's themes and symbolism
lucid bay
grrururrrr lipu nimi pi toki Gisi Gisi li lon . lipu nasin pi toki Gisi Gisi li lon ala lon 🥺
chilly urchin
I added a page 2 the thang
lucid bay
a :
does it go more into how to use da words than vocabulary ,, roo
i wana know hwo to le speak it
chilly urchin
What does dat mean
Oh wait
Yeah
Um
so
The language is SOV
And ka is like
I need to change the description cuz it's not preposition
but
ka can attack to anything. ka X Y means that what it is attached to is related to Y by quality of X
and ummmmm ka ka is the construction for "la" for now
The way ka works is highly interpretative
atomic halo
pukis U'en 'i gisi gisi si [wile sona] no way
chilly urchin
PUKIS U'EN
remote junco
I see exposure has been brought
chilly urchin
Looking into the distance this will be the best IAL ever way better than toki pona and ummmmm not baby language
lucid bay
🥺 omg
chilly urchin
not gisi ka las'e menu
lucid bay
t ht as not true though yuo aren't taking enough words from english (Recognizability 🥺🥺
atomic halo
not me being gisu ka las'e menu i-
chilly urchin
TRUEEEE
atomic halo
not gisu
chilly urchin
🚼
lucid bay
toki 🚼
atomic halo
tshirt that says i ❤️ nimis
remote junco
man I’m so out of the loop with the lexicon I’m so happy I let you guys work on it too
atomic halo
kolisin what's your take on bacteria in moss word btw
atomic halo
man I’m so out of the loop with the lexicon I’m so happy I let you guys work on ...
:DDDD
remote junco
it’s like discovering nimi sin all over again
remote junco
kolisin what's your take on bacteria in moss word btw
run the word back to me again
chilly urchin
a a a
remote junco
calling the gisi gisi document gu for the meme
chilly urchin
man I’m so out of the loop with the lexicon I’m so happy I let you guys work on ...
Heh.... well.... smirks.... you better be careful.... lest 'uge 'i kamu si paka ka kipa sesli
GU
gwoo
remote junco
kamu huh
remote junco
ahh
chilly urchin
explodes in one gisillion pieces
chilly urchin
how gisi gisi can i be
i'm just doing what comes ka nimis
lucid bay
representation pi sanwi pi amu e tili
atomic halo
run the word back to me again
word for moss and mold and other simple organisms. bacteria has the same vibe
goop blobs at an invisibly small scale
algae are single celled sometimes, etc
because bacteria isn't exactly animal material either
i guess one thing is that bacteria doesn't exactly make vegetation you cannot see it at All
remote junco
word for moss and mold and other simple organisms. bacteria has the same vibe
ah I see, interesting
chilly urchin
lichen is a funny thing about this word bnecause lichen is a mix of algae and fungi
atomic halo
but like moss 'alapa
remote junco
where would ferns fall
chilly urchin
Ferns are vascular plants that go like this -> 
remote junco
they’re the missing link between our goop friends and angiosperms
chilly urchin
mi la they fall under a category bigger than goop
remote junco
definitely not me forgetting gymnosperms exist
atomic halo
i think it's a grass type so depends on whether we want to assimilate grass into gisi lichen
im not a biologist btw im going off vibe
remote junco
yeah me too
ferns are like vascular plants but share a lot of their reproduction with things like moss and liverwort
so perhaps [vascular plant] [moss] idk
chilly urchin
Grass is not gisi lichen tawa mi. I think that like. Moss and lichen are weird and they kinda jkust grow on their own wherever they want ?? Like idk
Honestly just like
atomic halo
lon...
chilly urchin
I thini that ferns can do whatever they want
remote junco
moss and lichen and mold are rebels
chilly urchin
they can be les bians for all i care
atomic halo
lepi - fern, lesbian
remote junco
oh speaking of being happy for doing something, sorry for not being here, your girl was busy demolishing an assignment that was casually a month overdue
atomic halo
YEAHHHH
chilly urchin
Like YAYYYYY to you too doe >:]
chilly urchin
serving sagke rn (in vampire accent)
atomic halo
YEAH
remote junco
oh my fucking god what 😭
umm I was in a depressive state for like two months tbh but spring break is coming up and I don’t want to do Shit during then, so I got a lot of sagke from it
I did a bunch of other assignments too so that’s where we’re at now
pretty much just have like one left and I think it’s the oldest one (also a month old)
some of these assignments I just have/had no intrinsic motivation to complete
idk if toki pona was a class I’d be killing it
chilly urchin
😭 fucking same
remote junco
me realizing mugen can be a gisi
atomic halo
LONN
remote junco
for the moss word I’m thinking of some Cantonese stuff
chilly urchin
thinking of glyphs for sili
chilly urchin
for the moss word I’m thinking of some Cantonese stuff
inchresging....
remote junco
for the moss word I’m thinking of some Cantonese stuff
蘚 (sin2) “sin” and 苔 (toi4) “ka’i” are both part of the word for moss, and knowing my Chinese history, this is a result of a northern-southern merger of two separate words
you Could merge them into sigka’i
atomic halo
big red circle around ka'i
remote junco
thinking of glyphs for sili
ooo interesting
atomic halo
sigka'i is fun to say i do like that
remote junco
we’re already making glyphs??
remote junco
sigka'i is fun to say i do like that
I agree
have we made a word for sitelen related things yet or no
atomic halo
no💔💔💔
remote junco
thinking it could be related to scratches, marks, wear and tear
remote junco
well, sitelen is gisi [scars]
chilly urchin
we’re already making glyphs??
not realy I just was thinking about it
atomic halo
extra fascinating that it kind of explicitly centers the "carve into shit" medium of writing
atomic halo
lawa sina.
atomic halo
thinking of glyphs for sili
flowy watery sitelen...
remote junco
speaking of that I should work on the writing system and it’s going to be angular
chilly urchin
flowy watery sitelen...
I keep thinking about fermentation so I'm like. rgghg... ww ateer... grggrrhh...
(clutching my head)
remote junco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi oh also i think you guys would eat this up
chilly urchin
thinking it could be related to scratches, marks, wear and tear
actually so fucking good
chilly urchin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi oh also i think you guys would eat this ...
I was like "is this that one thing where it's like make it imperfect and like it"
remote junco
yeah
chilly urchin
Anyway I love the scar element of it
atomic halo
scelement
chilly urchin
Also yeah I like when shit is Weird
Sometimes ur in the mood for some symmetry and other's it's like fuck yuooouuuuu
scelement
classpect
atomic halo
sometimes youre in the mood for symmetry and other times its like scelement
remote junco
DJSJKFKDK CLASSPECT
atomic halo
TTUEE
chilly urchin
I think it would be interesting if like
We all developed scripts in tandem if we felt like it like. What each word evokes in us. And see how similar they are
remote junco
thinking it could be related to scratches, marks, wear and tear
Finnish
naarmu “namu” a scratch
naarmuttaa “namuka” to scratch
naarmuinen “namunen” scratchy surface
atomic halo
i would be so so scared
atomic halo
namuka gisi
that reminds me we are never beating the kanesu/'age allegations btw we need to pull up our boots
remote junco
I like the word namuka aesthetically but namunen has more semantic harmony
atomic halo
!!??! i saw harmony as horny in the corner of my eye and got scared
remote junco
who took your brain and replaced it with mine
atomic halo
lawa ike
remote junco
I like the word namuka aesthetically but namunen has more semantic harmony
namuka la literally just namako hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
atomic halo
you stroje your beard morosely
remote junco
gisi namuka
chilly urchin
namunen
remote junco
gisi gisi, now with namunen gisi
remote junco
true
atomic halo
'uge si namunen and it pans to you striking a rock with your spear
remote junco
lon… ni li mi
atomic halo
jo selo merger so it stops being mildly calquelike btw
chilly urchin
so twirls my eyelashes what's the semantic space of namunen
atomic halo
or i guess jo poki is closer
chilly urchin
jo selo merger so it stops being mildly calquelike btw
#explain....
ohhhh
ok that makes more sense
but why jo selo
:thinking
atomic halo
when you hold something youre being its selo
remote junco
so twirls my eyelashes what's the semantic space of namunen
perhaps scratch, mark, wear and tear, dimple, small bump, slight deformation, wabi-sabi
atomic halo
i remember lipu lipa said something about selo as a hug which was what inspired me
chilly urchin
ohhhhhh mmmm intesting
i personally dont see much overlap because i like the selo insa discintion but honestly we know the problen is jo
atomic halo
perhaps scratch, mark, wear and tear, dimple, small bump, slight deformation, wa...
hn, then wed probably want another word to handle the "what about posters and ink drawings" side of stuff
chilly urchin
jo and its slopy semantic space
remote junco
jo is a very silly word
atomic halo
jo has got to step up her game for actuals
remote junco
hn, then wed probably want another word to handle the "what about posters and in...
i guess I should include blemishes and stains yeah
that does fall under the more accurate “slight deformation”
atomic halo
dog covered in mud is namunen
remote junco
something intentional or otherwise
atomic halo
hm. sili overlap
remote junco
like it’s nasa lili
atomic halo
you know the garfield to be loved is to be changed plush
remote junco
sili is more so like sabi in nature
atomic halo
namunen sili
remote junco
namunen leans more wabi i think
atomic halo
oh is wabi sabi two different things hold on i gotta read up
chilly urchin
you know the garfield to be loved is to be changed plush
DJVHBGDDHVGJF
remote junco
yeah lol
wabi and sabi are often merged into one thing because they do have an overlap in philosophy
but they are two separate aesthetics
wabi is like an intentional imperfection and sabi is more like age and degradation
atomic halo
i see...
remote junco
sili and namunen have ended up reflecting this
chilly urchin
nodsnods
atomic halo
people who knit sweaters intentionally making a single mistake in their stitch is namunen
remote junco
essentially!
nasa lili
a mole could be considered namunen slightly outside of the intention part
chilly urchin
honestly namunen is kind of nasa
remote junco
mole like. the kind on your face not the animal
yeah
namunen is kind of more on the physical side i think? but if you make it more metaphorical it ends up being a cooler version of nasa
atomic halo
mole like. the kind on your face not the animal
maybe mole the animal is one of god's moles the facial feature tbh
remote junco
just like how sili is like age
atomic halo
sili replacing majuna is my magnum opus
remote junco
namunen being the thing for writing and also basically nasa is kind of fitting
writing is sort of a human thing
ni li nasa pi mi ale
remote junco
true…
atomic halo
namunen but not kepa -> rock hit by lightning
kepa but not namunen -> fern
namunen kepa -> writing
remote junco
kepa/namunen antonymic pairing
oh yeah kepa is a gisi now I’m just coming out and saying it because yes
it even has an angular sitelen pona which makes it even more fitting
atomic halo
thousands of children cheer for kepa real
remote junco
kepa will fill the nasin gap that silen doesn’t i think
atomic halo
it's cool too because we've obliterated nasin
remote junco
.post kepa
covert folioBOT
.post kepa
kepa
…is a post-ku nimi sin coined by puwa Kolisin in February 2024.
It is a content word that pertains to patterns, orders, sequences, series, rhythms, arrangements, organization, and decluttering. It semantically shares a lot in common with kulupu and nasin, and can be considered an antonym of sorts to jaki. You should not use it as a calque for the English concepts of “normal”, “average”, or “standard”. Its etymology is a priori i.e. it does not come from a pre-existing word. It is unrelated to the nemune word.
Some examples of usage with potential translations include:
kepa palisa ni la o pana e wile tawa ona “Select a row/column.”
tenpo pini la mi kama jo e kepa kasi suwi a “Earlier today, I got a cute bouquet!”
linja nanpa wan li kepa la linja nanpa tu li ni lili “The first line is orderly; the second one less so.”
tomo sona ni la jan kepa li jan pona “At this school, the custodians are good people.”
sitelen pona glyph: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316066233755631616/1214688532346576967/nimisinmi.png
#7f1384 kepa
remote junco
it's cool too because we've obliterated nasin
YEAH
chilly urchin
ahhhh nods
atomic halo
our minds.
remote junco
kepa will fill the nasin gap that silen doesn’t i think
whence this
like silen is for paths and kepa is for patterns
remote junco
it’s pretty much already ready for loaning yeah
atomic halo
she planned it all along...
remote junco
how serendipitous
remote junco
sigka’i
atomic halo
sigka'i...
remote junco
i hate how i remember it with sigma
remote junco
sigma grindset: grow moss in your courtyard
atomic halo
algae. bacteria y/n
remote junco
microbes, slime molds, liverwort
chilly urchin
I think it's can be small things that can grow in places when left unnatended
remote junco
yeah
atomic halo
kolisin you gotta add kepa yourself im lazy
remote junco
I would say “omg I’m a small squishy thing” but I’m a big squishy thing
sigka’i Kulisin
this word is very cool. it and sili
sili being from glosbe of all things is so fucking funny to me
remote junco
can’t wait to loan in like watamote as ‘u‘akamuke or something
remote junco
kipa kepa minimal pairs is so dangerous i could slip at any moment
good thing they’re at the opposite heights of the vowel quadrangle
I chose the vowels with purpose
chilly urchin
I hate vowels
remote junco
me too
remote junco
ejectives only
chilly urchin
Anyway I love how this is shaping up nods nods
remote junco
same!!!!!
atomic halo
were so nimis today you guys
it's so funny that weve got such a small bit of vocab down with so many like mildly similar but different dichotomies
remote junco
real…
atomic halo
sagke-paka nimis-sili-namunen silen-kepa
sesli is just wholly unproblematic good for her
remote junco
sesli is chilling
nimis needs work and I think that it’s just sigka’i now
since I did want to have the moss stuff with “additional” meaning anyway
and sigka’i exists so… (plus nimis is just nimi but plural in English smh)
remote junco
in summary they are merged
atomic halo
we have two plant words so far and both of them have additional symbolic meanings what's up with that hm
nobody had waso mean freedom or something
atomic halo
is it something specific about plants or is it just because we're obsessed with themes and imagery in sesli gisi
remote junco
mostly the latter but plants are mystical in their own botanical ways
the themes and imagery just make for cool and fun tokiponaesque words
like len for clothing and hidden/secret? that’s really neat!
atomic halo
joining the gisi profiles on the side of the gisi btw
atomic halo
like len for clothing and hidden/secret? that’s really neat!
so real len is awesome
remote junco
gisi gisi si sigka’i ka sesli gisi menu gisi
fallen pasture
if toki pona has multiple words for animals we can have plants methigx
atomic halo
gisi menu gisi...
remote junco
that’s Literally what I’ve been saying for days
remote junco
gisi menu gisi...
≈ the names of speakers
remote junco
I was going kun’t hehe
remote junco
lolll
atomic halo
i remember when you went in bad nimisin and got people to make new ones for plants to combat the sowelism
remote junco
YEAH
gisi gisi is the more long-term serious counterpart of that
why let kalijopilale have all of the fun?
atomic halo
tbh.. tbh
remote junco
there Will be soweli words but i like the plants right now it is a vibe
remote junco
interesting, I can see it
remote junco
sagke sili Nuneku
chilly urchin
me rn
remote junco
sili Mali’u
atomic halo
TRUE
lucid bay
sigka'i Mali'u ❓
remote junco
ke si sili sili
sili Mali’u ‘i kemu si sili
kemu ‘i ‘uge si sili ka las’e g ka gisi sili Mali’u
kemu si [damp]
sili Mali’u ‘i kemu si sili sili
lucid bay
🥺 ke si g
remote junco
remember: billionaire chess
atomic halo
AH RIGHT
you just kind of went "hmm ke is strategy game" and disappeared into the woods
lucid bay
ihave been intimidated about learning gisi gisi because was a bit late to da party pi gisi gisi but i think i shoud just write bad sentences adn let you all correct me
wnmghgbvcn
remote junco
we’re all tinkering ourselves so you will be no more bad than us
lucid bay
hwehhe e ,,- =,, yas
atomic halo
ka gisi [person] is kind of awesome
atomic halo
and yeah we are literally like staring at book and shivering in our boots rn we can shiver together
lucid bay
🥺 lon a
i am staring at ka and trying to wrap my head around how it works but i have a le headache tongiht wmghdfgjb
chilly urchin
It'sd ok
remote junco
that’s kind of why I didn’t make a vocative particle because of ka gisi
plus also it reminds me of like, when someone snarkily says someone’s name at the end of something to get their attention
chilly urchin
it happens
lucid bay
woud it be ok to have itty bitty example sentences in gisi gisi adn english in cells G and H 🥺
remote junco
i am staring at ka and trying to wrap my head around how it works but i have a l...
don’t worry I have a headache with it too and I’m the one who made it
atomic halo
ka gisi here is a little special because it applies to the entire sentence, g?
chilly urchin
don’t worry I have a headache with it too and I’m the one who made it
No 🤬
atomic halo
and not to just the verb
lucid bay
hno idont ahve a headache because of gisi gisi i just have a le headache
chilly urchin
blaaaa
remote junco
ka can be used for the whole sentence
chilly urchin
Ok so like
lucid bay
i am a mosnuta full of illness
chilly urchin
HGere is an example
chilly urchin
ka can be used for the whole sentence
how do u separate it between sentence and verb doe
or any other part
or do u put it at the b eginning
remote junco
well for starters I never thought of using it for the verb
you could put it at the beginning perhaps, you would have to use pes though I think
atomic halo
oh ive been doing that for it like literally the whole time LOL "i move-to-you the box"
remote junco
basically “mi tawa e leko tawa sina”
atomic halo
you could put it at the beginning perhaps, you would have to use pes though I th...
welcome back mi lu tila mi
chilly urchin
you could put it at the beginning perhaps, you would have to use pes though I th...
pes?
atomic halo
en
chilly urchin
oh i rorgot
remote junco
[scooby doo] I rorgot
atomic halo
ka gisi sili Mali'u pes kemu...ansem
remote junco
ke si sili sili
sili Mali’u ‘i kemu si sili
kemu ‘i ‘uge si sili ka las’e g ka ...
man looking at this and I’m like wow gisi gisi is a language ! /pos
remote junco
plus also it reminds me of like, when someone snarkily says someone’s name at th...
yknow like “… and we should put away our phones, Mark” [Mark is on his phone]
remote junco
can you write out like a Description for sigka'i nimis merger btw
moss, mold, liverwort, slime mold, microbe, additional, growth, expansion, to add, to grow
atomic halo
can a tree sigka'i when it grows
remote junco
yeah
atomic halo
it feels to me like sigka'i is more on the adding another thing on top side than the Material Itself Expands side rn
chilly urchin
yeah
remote junco
trees in stardew valley are very sigka’i coded
remote junco
lon…
chilly urchin
it feels to me like sigka'i is more on the adding another thing on top side than...
this is just
oh
my fucking ucsur
namako
atomic halo
LOL?
remote junco
this is just Lipu Seme
remote junco
I am the gay little pepper
lucid bay
that look liek the 🌶️
remote junco
hallerpinyoe
lucid bay
hallerpinyoe 🥺
atomic halo
getting sili :3c
chilly urchin
:3c
chilly urchin
ke si sili sili
sili Mali’u ‘i kemu si sili
kemu ‘i ‘uge si sili ka las’e g ka ...
also what is the question structure here
mi confused
lucid bay
i was gona make a le silly nckname but i dont know da rules for names :3 ; ;
atomic halo
menu Iglis si sigka'i ka paka sesli [ante] 'i sagke sesli si magi
atomic halo
i was gona make a le silly nckname but i dont know da rules for names :3 ; ;
syllable structure is CV(mngs)
lucid bay
oo h oiki :
chilly urchin
menu Iglis si sigka'i ka paka sesli [ante] 'i sagke sesli si magi
||English people expand to other places and make them fucking shitty (stunt their growth) ||
atomic halo
hehehe
lucid bay
wiat is the consonant required for sylable or is it toki poa style whre it can just be vowekl
atomic halo
you can use '
lucid bay
i see Iglis and i am le perplexed
atomic halo
'a'e
chilly urchin
but also gisi 'uge si pake kipa ka [ante] menu
atomic halo
but also gisi 'uge si pake kipa ka [ante] menu
||my language will not spread far unlike people 😭😔||
ni li pona ala pona
chilly urchin
I feel like I may be janizing the word menu too much but also we don't have words for animals that are warm blooded so I'm like
I GUESS I'm a person SURE
chilly urchin
||my language will not spread far unlike people 😭😔||
nnmnmbnm NO 🤬
let me rewrite it
lucid bay
gisi 'uge li pona ala pona 
chilly urchin
gisi 'uge si pake kipa ka paka? (ante) menu
lucid bay
wnkjbgh
atomic halo
nesku 'Ulen... so teue
atomic halo
WE HAVE A PAKE??
lucid bay
there are no creatue words so thang will have to suffice::3
chilly urchin
😭
atomic halo
father, pasta
chilly urchin
Also we never resolved the moon conundrum
chilly urchin
Us pulling up to the learn toki pona and people looking up what "sanke" "nesku" and "menu" are
wispy tendonBOT
I'll participate in your little game thing and indulge in your little language thing
wispy tendonBOT
oh, I've had this one for some days :>
I have been very at the front with Noneko (Nunaku) for now so
atomic halo
hell yeah
wispy tendonBOT
i should get a paka headnoun it would be sooooo funny and cute
IM STILL KA ATI?!
wispy tendonBOT
mi musiiii mi suwiii
chilly urchin
kemu pakaaaaaaaa
wispy tendonBOT
linguists in the chat is there any way to approximate the sh
i dont wanna be named ass
chilly urchin
j from mini
wispy tendonBOT
YEAH
lucid bay
🤬 'ansi
chilly urchin
FUCKKKKK :RAGHHH
wispy tendonBOT
ansi like the deck yo be quite real
lucid bay
oh ffor real
fallen pasture
I THOUGHT WE COINED IT ALREADY
she is in my heart
fallen pasture
menju
wispy tendonBOT
[mændʒu]
chilly urchin
god I feel so happy about gisi gisi it's like. We are doing so good
wispy tendonBOT
'uge 'i gisi si sigka'i pona
wispy tendonBOT
warm color....
atomic halo
it also kind of depends on how natural-esque we want the language to be i think because loje jelo laso is like the Holy Trinity
chilly urchin
I feel like this has to have some meaning though like. historically societies have done what tp does. black, white, then red, then yellow or green, then blue
yeah
still thinking of "i had the advantage of understanding laso immediately"
it'sso funny 2 me
atomic halo
my mind.
chilly urchin
your mind.
atomic halo
what if we twist some kind of rgb out of it
contrasting the historical with Modernity
chilly urchin
go on...
atomic halo
i have no thoughts about it im still thinking rn
fallen pasture
cmyk maybe?
atomic halo
lojelo (warm)
lime~sky blue (natural colors.??)
dark blue ~ magenta (night sky????)
im not sure how balanced that is but it does mildly fit into cmyk
fallen pasture
lojelo (warm)
lime~sky blue (natural colors.??)
dark blue ~ magenta (night sky??...
this also fits into rgb tbh
i think cmy sounds good
atomic halo
magenta stands out because its where the dark colors are, cyan and yellow are ???
chilly urchin
sama ni ansem
fallen pasture
yellow being red/green is kinda unintuitive to me
atomic halo
lonnn
atomic halo
yellow being red/green is kinda unintuitive to me
it is fucked up isn't it
fallen pasture
magenta stands out because its where the dark colors are, cyan and yellow are ??...
the daylight sky and the sun maybe?
maybe you can like, spin a philosophy from this
chilly urchin
I'm thinking
atomic halo
^ gisi
chilly urchin
'uge si gisi 🧠
chilly urchin
funny thing gisi does kind of sound like nghĩ + suy
what does this mean 🧠
atomic halo
it mean think + think
chilly urchin
zang.....
lucid bay
i looked at my bborwser tabs
chilly urchin
kjkb JBKHDJBHAG D SAKJNHDAS HBBAD BJGHDAS
atomic halo
REALLY GOOD
chilly urchin
thinking of glyphs for sili
very interesting how having to make angular lines yields different results
atomic halo
:D leko
lucid bay
🥺 leko
atomic halo
namunen leko
is this cmyk anything
bottom is just laso again i need to stretch it more
lucid bay
ooho : :
atomic halo
laso is so stupidly huge you guys
can we make a laso splitter and ruin everyone's lives
lucid bay
ihjave always lieked toki pona color words how yuo would sometimes have to describe a color using liek colored things as modifiers to narrow it down
iam excited for color words pi gisi gisi
lucid bay
ihjave always lieked toki pona color words how yuo would sometimes have to des...
kule ma is just kind of more pleasing than Brown
chilly urchin
just make a word for color and have to explain everything as nesku ka [color] nesku
ezpz
lucid bay
is this cmyk anything
aso unfortunately i will have to give u my proper le thoughts at a later time because my blue light filter is goig craaasy 💥
ale li jelo
chilly urchin
chilly urchin
is this cmyk anything
oho... I find it Interesting clacks my fingers 2gether
