#gisi gisi — toki kili pi toki pona tan namako Kolisin

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remote junco
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g

atomic halo
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we need a sitelen eright now

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battery running out my final message goodbye

remote junco
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true and real

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cya

chilly urchin
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I can make one rn .... Kali u have like a good word list compilation right

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NOOO

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BNOOOOOOOO

lucid bay
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;.; ;;;;;;;

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ona li weka

remote junco
chilly urchin
chilly urchin
remote junco
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‘uge kemu ‘a‘e nesku kipa pes ‘i si ka ku gisi paka ‘alapa teles kales kanesu nimis menu kusi sagke las’e sesli m n g s ke

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yesss I like this too

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I seemed to have missed this and I felt like it was really lon and pona

chilly urchin
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Should I make it only editable by Some People

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Or just like full reading more only 4 now

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Anyway

remote junco
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todo: work more on nimis. perhaps just entirely replace the word. or just loan in namako. tbd

chilly urchin
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Me with soko

remote junco
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todo: work on more plant terminology. I want a balance between a handful of animal terms/types but also plant terms/types

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I also want to make a word like jasima

chilly urchin
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Idea: word for thing that can transport other things tunnel-like fashion derived from xylem

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What I like abou this is that we can do the stuff that doesn't bind well with tp

remote junco
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lon a

remote junco
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my immediate thought is that ka [gisi ni] means like through

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also should make a word for the relative/demonstrative perhaps !

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my brain was going to be like “whoa what if pointing” but then I realized that is gisi

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but now I’m like “what if tokana/taso/ni merge of sorts”

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for reference:

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.post tokana

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# remote junco .post tokana

tokana – ~post-pu~ focus, attention, concentrate, resolution, fineness
← Tongan tokanga ’attention, focus’

#647046 tokana

remote junco
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mostly on the idea of like, specificity

chilly urchin
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tokana taso ni....

remote junco
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“but” is sort of like contextual opposition

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“normally I eat apples, but today I’m eating oranges”

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perhaps something with kipa or [jasima-like] could be done here

chilly urchin
chilly urchin
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sanke ku menu kanesu/'age/tosi 🍷

remote junco
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mmm

chilly urchin
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[pan] ku menu kanesu/'age/tosi 🫓

atomic halo
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but as a contextual opposite is kind of interesting you could do ka [tokana] about it

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it could be like "as opposed to" almost

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today i eat oranges ka [opposite of tokana] apples

remote junco
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m! I like this

atomic halo
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spitballing mostly idk how much of this will tread on la and such

chilly urchin
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silen (from German Xylem - xylem (part the vascular structure for plants) ) - vein, cable, tunnel, passageway, road

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nasin separator

atomic halo
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nasin and partial linja merger let's go

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well a cable is a nasin for electrons anyway

chilly urchin
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nasin linja merger but we remove the "way of doing something" part out of it

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or maybe we keep it

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idk

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we'll see how it evolves

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cuz "ka" is like

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Wildcard

atomic halo
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nasin linja tear apart and scramble and meticulously piece back together

remote junco
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way of doing something being consumed into kusi or maybe some kepa action

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ka silen would be like through

atomic halo
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^ kepa on her mind

chilly urchin
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did kipa become kepa

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anu seme

remote junco
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no

atomic halo
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kepa is a nimisin

remote junco
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I am talking about my nimi sin

chilly urchin
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?

atomic halo
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.post kepa

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# atomic halo .post kepa

kepa

…is a post-ku nimi sin coined by puwa Kolisin in February 2024.

It is a content word that pertains to patterns, orders, sequences, series, rhythms, arrangements, organization, and decluttering. It semantically shares a lot in common with kulupu and nasin, and can be considered an antonym of sorts to jaki. You should not use it as a calque for the English concepts of “normal”, “average”, or “standard”. Its etymology is a priori i.e. it does not come from a pre-existing word. It is unrelated to the nemune word.

Some examples of usage with potential translations include:
kepa palisa ni la o pana e wile tawa ona “Select a row/column.”
tenpo pini la mi kama jo e kepa kasi suwi a “Earlier today, I got a cute bouquet!”
linja nanpa wan li kepa la linja nanpa tu li ni lili “The first line is orderly; the second one less so.”
tomo sona ni la jan kepa li jan pona “At this school, the custodians are good people.”

sitelen pona glyph: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316066233755631616/1214688532346576967/nimisinmi.png

#7f1384 kepa

chilly urchin
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oh

remote junco
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it is my child

atomic halo
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an arrow piercing you is ka silen i think

chilly urchin
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My fucking dumbass

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"what is silen"

atomic halo
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LOLLLL

remote junco
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unlike creations like enko or peto or salu i will not abandon my child

remote junco
chilly urchin
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an arrow piercing you and you using something as guidance can both be silen maybe

atomic halo
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hm. should tokana get some nasa in it as well

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if taso is already in there through the thread of singling out

chilly urchin
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iubnteresting

remote junco
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nods sagely

chilly urchin
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nods safely

remote junco
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very good ilo

atomic halo
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nods with caution

remote junco
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nods like I contain a large fortune

chilly urchin
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⛑️ nods

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Do u two want access to the docs

atomic halo
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to the dogs zsoweli

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sure but i won't be doing much on it because my ass is in phone hell

chilly urchin
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Yeah I just mean cuz like I can't be editing it all da time 😭

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just dm me an email u use for joojle and i'll add u

chilly urchin
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ideas:
something about elytron or w/e meaning both insect that flies (debatably kind of umbrella) and also shield + protection

remote junco
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ooo

chilly urchin
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the issue is that elytra are really only present in such a fraction for insect.... but yennow

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sasli [elytron]

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merger with len hiding perhaps

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but eeh

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weird idea will have to explore more

atomic halo
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menu ku gisi gisi when mergers

chilly urchin
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I was gonna ask "do you think sanke by itself can mean life" but I

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Don't like that

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It feels just like

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Too Easy

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Too Annoyingly we crave Life

atomic halo
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gotta be a nesku sagke at the very least and even then tbh

remote junco
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what is life

chilly urchin
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Oh no

atomic halo
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it's a good inbetween of there's life now and you gotta work for it

chilly urchin
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yeah :3

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I really like the sort of

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Not necessarily ambiguity of this tpido but like

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The interpretative nature

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ka is such a like

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fucking

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fist glove on a spring

atomic halo
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i like paka we all know a paka in our lives

chilly urchin
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coming out of magic hat

atomic halo
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silen gisi - string through a tin can tied up to a goldfish tank

chilly urchin
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YESSS

atomic halo
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the moment i get on my laptop im color coding the gisi sheet btw

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there's only 3 of us rn we should get our own colors for our cells for fun

chilly urchin
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YESSSSS

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Also how do we feel about the munsewi word name

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What do we all feel

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Cuz it has like 2 names

atomic halo
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nofs sagely

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'age / kanesu...

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is there even a pros and cons table you can make about this i feel like we just fuck around

chilly urchin
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About wht

atomic halo
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like which of the two words is swaggier

chilly urchin
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Yeah

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I feel the same 😭

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they're both swaggy

atomic halo
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cast your votes chatroom 'age or kanesu

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hm. what should we do about the animal side of words

chilly urchin
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kan'age

atomic halo
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no way.. besides the moon

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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TBHH

remote junco
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‘age sounds a lot like ‘uge

atomic halo
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thats true

remote junco
atomic halo
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fascinating. why so

chilly urchin
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fascinating. why si

atomic halo
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TBHH

remote junco
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makes a difference between like “kan ‘es” and “kag’es” if a distinction ever arises

chilly urchin
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g is such a like

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wildcard sound 2 me

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i forget its rules a lot

remote junco
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since it’s n by default and like glottal stop is like a very quite sound

chilly urchin
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so would pampa just be pagpa

remote junco
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no it would be pampa!!!

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here I’ll help

chilly urchin
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ok I listening 👂

remote junco
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‘ampa ‘agka ‘ag‘a ‘ansa ‘anla ‘an

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can’t have two nasals in a row

atomic halo
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instead of wuwojiti we have wuwawewi

remote junco
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tbhh

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‘ennamnignu

atomic halo
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LONN

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beetle word wise btw im mostly staring anxiously at the possibility of like. putting too many separate things together sort of

chilly urchin
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yeah

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I dont want that

atomic halo
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im also cautiously eyeing kanesu seeing how it's gonna work out

chilly urchin
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nods sagel

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y

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so really what we should know is that

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it's

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gk

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the Combo

atomic halo
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IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT
'ampa 'ansa 'agka
BULLSHIT

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wait i need to post that hold on

remote junco
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‘umpa

atomic halo
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'UMPA

chilly urchin
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I think that if at any point shit goes south we can pick away the meaning of sacred from kanesu and put it somewhere else

atomic halo
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we need a gisi gisi taso

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gisi nimis

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hm. kili equivalent that means both fruit and flower and is divorced from the like. edible aspect of it.? no girl that's las'e

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'uge 'i las'e si [moku] - i eat babies

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hm. aboveground equivalent of teles to describe trees

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i dont know how actual plant taxonomy works this is so scary

chilly urchin
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What do u need to know 🧠

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Or well like what are u going for

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With the teles thang

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Cuz im confused

atomic halo
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since kolisin wants to expand on plants a bit im trying to think of a way of classifying plants

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thinking like. teles is that white hard shit and especially the ones that are tubers look like reverse tree

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so you could maybe do something about that and. above ground trees??

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solid bodies wood and such

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i dunno though there's a lot of ways you can go about the concept of classifying plants

chilly urchin
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ohhhhh

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mhm mhm

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Ok well

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There's ways you can classify plants like the whole fruits vs vegetables where

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The fruit is the part that protects the seeds

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And the vegetable is the other edible parts of the plant that aren't really This

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There's also like vascular vs nonvascular plants

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nonvascular plants are small plants that don't have xylems and phloems

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Mosses, algae liverworts and hornworts

atomic halo
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separate word for mosses and grasses and other kasi puwa ansem

chilly urchin
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THey don't produce flowers nor fruit

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hmmmmmm

atomic halo
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mushrooms and mold could go there if youre willing to stretch it

chilly urchin
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Yeah I was thinking that

atomic halo
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it's a very strange experience to watch a tokiponido develop because like you don't know the New Conceptual Network yet so sometimes it's like "this could be kasi lili rn" like girl we don't HAVE kasi lili here

chilly urchin
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EXACTLY

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MY THOUGHTS

atomic halo
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a possible route could be to just spitball some stuff and then playtest it and shave stuff off accordingly maybe?

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not sure how the process of Any conlang is like

chilly urchin
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Yeah I think that's good

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I think we can ever have like

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Overlapping words for now

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Playground battle royale

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Like dividing plants is very subjective I think because there's the sciency way and there's also like. Food or no food yenno

atomic halo
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yeah.......

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it's also less like broadly known than say separating mammals and reptiles

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so not much of a cultural point of reference

chilly urchin
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yeah that too

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it's just like

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greens and fruits

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kind of

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very universal

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I'll look more into it though

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I think

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I'm going to make a playground section on the docs

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So that we can throw in ideas whenever

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And then talk about them here

atomic halo
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that's so real actually

chilly urchin
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also like

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the ka Lumiku thing made me think of like

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ka can also be used to frame something in the context of viewing it through someone's perspective

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ka [person] [nesku]

atomic halo
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oh that one's gonna be evil to interpret

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passively thinking about ka menu the other day i concluded id interpret some ka [noun] as a mutual/intermediary

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so ka [family] could mean related / in-laws and ka [person] could mean both things are connected through that person or something along that line

chilly urchin
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mhm mh minteresting

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I think this list is good to look at

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thematic_relation

Thematic relation

In certain theories of linguistics, thematic relations, also known as semantic roles, are the various roles that a noun phrase may play with respect to the action or state described by a governing verb, commonly the sentence's main verb. For example, in the sentence "Susan ate an apple", Susan is the doer of the eating, so she is an agent; an ap...

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For inspiration on how to interpret somehting

atomic halo
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it's all about that agent patient theme bullshuit

atomic halo
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FOUND IT

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chilly urchin
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DDKJNBHDJBKHDGSBJDHGASADSHJGVADSGVHF

atomic halo
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guys what if the moss word is also foliage/leaves

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pros is that it makes it ko-core cons is that moss and tree are not the same thing

chilly urchin
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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I don't know how I feel about this becaue my brain is like noooooo moss is like its own fucked up little thing

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like lichen

atomic halo
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exaaactly exaaactly

chilly urchin
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i've come to realize naturalistic words are hard for me because i am lie k

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biologypiled a bit

atomic halo
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we'll probably get a puwa and we can call leaves puwa kasi it's okay

chilly urchin
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nods puwily

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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this is like the worst thing i could be called right now

atomic halo
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HAHAHA

chilly urchin
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I am NEITHER !!!!!!!!!!!!

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But it's like

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Shock

atomic halo
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blasting noneko with my wicked ray gun

chilly urchin
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like the meme that looks like this

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atomic halo
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LOLLL

chilly urchin
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Weird idea of making warm blooded its own category but I viscerally need a word for bird

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Or maybe it's just late

atomic halo
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ka Lumiku coming in with the blood words

chilly urchin
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Listen.

atomic halo
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hehehehe

chilly urchin
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Let a dog girl live

atomic halo
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sowalosi

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if you make warm blooded animals you should also make akesi/monsuta merger to complement it i think

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fuzzy little guys and slimy little freaks the two genders

chilly urchin
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jan Kali coming in with the akesi freak discourse

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Sry my bad kaka Kali

atomic halo
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ITS TRUEEE [collapsing on my knees and wailing]

chilly urchin
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I sometimes forget ur pfp is not u. Like that's more like Asi. Ur some strange Guy who sometimes is a dragon and I'm like ohhhh that's why he so akesi discourse

atomic halo
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Asi camouflage

chilly urchin
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It's true 🛐

atomic halo
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check out this awesome lizard i saw today btw

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chilly urchin
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YES

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FUCK YES

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PUNCHING THE AIR YES

atomic halo
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hesso cool

chilly urchin
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WE DID IT

atomic halo
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i only have like house geckos at home so this was a delightful surprise

chilly urchin
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Lizards are one of ofmy favorite animal idkwhy(hiding Knife behind me)

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U got geckose.... thatis so cool

atomic halo
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igot geckos.

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what do you have

chilly urchin
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One (1) dogi

atomic halo
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NO LIZARD?! fucked uop

chilly urchin
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Our back yard has lizards

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They r delight

atomic halo
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what kind of lizards🥺

chilly urchin
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Sometimes a tiny baby lizard is too dumb and u can catch them

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They are like

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The Usual green lizard

atomic halo
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pickshim up like a fry

chilly urchin
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N

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Let me find what they are called

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Mmmm

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Tree lizard

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Maybe ornate tree lizard??

atomic halo
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hoplysgit

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picks him up like a weed chunk

chilly urchin
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WHAT THE HELLLLL

atomic halo
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ohojoheheehe

wispy tendonBOT
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mmgmgmh lizar

atomic halo
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summoning the ghost of akesi kiwen

wispy tendonBOT
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They are so good they transed my species

atomic halo
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spreading the lizard propaganda until everyone in ma pona has headnoun akesi

wispy tendonBOT
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I was a fucking dog before mang now I'm on that hot rock shit

atomic halo
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eating a bug and such

wispy tendonBOT
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EATING A BUG AND SUCH

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I have to say I love this language btw :} I've been kind of just watching y'all do stuff but like it's cool and I like it

atomic halo
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diversity win akesi loves our swag

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we NEED to make akesi monsuta merger now

wispy tendonBOT
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nods lizardly

atomic halo
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wait excuse to post the dragon etymology chart now

wispy tendonBOT
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ohoho

atomic halo
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:nimisgisi: sumo
mi'a
elensu
pukis
lu'e

chilly urchin
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What do u say in Vietnamese curious

atomic halo
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according to reddit commenter russian uses zmeu or balaur

atomic halo
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using my very limited ipa knowledge its like. [zəʊŋ] ?

chilly urchin
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Ohhhhhhh fuck

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Love that one too

atomic halo
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cactus is dragon bone plant btw

chilly urchin
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WHAT THE FUCK THAT'S SO GOOD

atomic halo
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RIGHTT

chilly urchin
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Obsessed with the 2word system

atomic halo
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needless to say i am hopelessly dependent on the 2 word system

chilly urchin
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God

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Thinking of funny Spanish words

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I think my favorite is when I like

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Think about a word and go like

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Oh fuxk that's it

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Like the word for closet is "armario"

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And one day I was thinking about it and I was like

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Wait

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That literally just means like

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Armory . Like. Place where u store weapons

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The hell

chilly urchin
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Thinking about what namako Kolisin said about reduplication

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'a'e si 'alapa 'alapa <- it is very hidden/unknowable

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paka sagke -> strong wind
paka sagke sagke -> hurricane

nesku kusi -> useful thing
nesku kusi kusi -> very useful thing

atomic halo
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how i look with nesku kusi kusi in my bio

remote junco
atomic halo
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wawa

chilly urchin
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Yes yes yes

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I don't want to necessarily add the definition to it but I think saying ka [moss] [nesku] is such a funny way to say that said thing is in its early stages

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or that it doesn't have many moving parts to it. But simplicity is subjective

remote junco
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fascinating

chilly urchin
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I also think that ka's definition could be reworked a bit cuz it feels a bit weird to say that it makes something a preposition because I think it isn't necessarily just that. Like for some things like kusi it makes sense to express instrumentality, but stuff like menu or sagke isn't necessarily.... prepositiony. Just more what we've been discussing of like. Y in the quality of X

remote junco
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yeah that’s why I don’t really like “preposition”

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in terms of trying to express what it does, it’s kind of like li nanpa tu

chilly urchin
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mhm

chilly urchin
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I am getting really ill about mini glyphs can we also pitch in for [sitelen] gisi (a more simple sp system instead of the ss system that u already have)

remote junco
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MINI GLYPHS SJABJJDJS

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also yes sitelen gisi… ‘twill be worked on

chilly urchin
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NOT MINI GLYPHS WHAT THE FUCK

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I FALL TO MY KNEES

remote junco
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mini glyphs already exist it’s called the Latin alphabet

chilly urchin
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Punching the floor

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Endjwbkxhw

chilly urchin
remote junco
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just as mini_me intended

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Latin so gud and yum yay

chilly urchin
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So my idea is that

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Since the language is kimda naturalistic, we could base it around a writing system that involves using a natural element in some way. Like how some scripts are angular because the material was wax or rock but some others are believed to be more curved because they wrote on palm leaves

remote junco
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yeah!

chilly urchin
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Mhm mhm

remote junco
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sand writing script comes back to mind

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if only I had easy access to a ton of sand

chilly urchin
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Sand writing....

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Honestly I kind of just want to explore different materials

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We can have 5 gisi logograms

remote junco
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gisi Espani’u

chilly urchin
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gisi Epani'u.... ?? or can consonants cluster

remote junco
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s can be a coda yes

chilly urchin
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I should really write the phonotactics down in the doc

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Like besides the um

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Uhhhhh

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Ipa chartz

wispy tendonBOT
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kusi Tala (me)

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kusi Ka'ulin Tala

atomic halo
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thars you baby

lucid bay
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thars you zsoweli ‼️

chilly urchin
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I apparently hada this in my thing last night before I went on my pgone

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remote junco
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interesting

chilly urchin
atomic halo
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sagke [seli]... so true

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or seli sagke

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it like makes sense as a calque i think which is really cool

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i hug a cat and go "oh that thing emits heat from its internal forces"

atomic halo
chilly urchin
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I mean

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tbh

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Also like

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twiddling my claws

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tuki tiki low energy word

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Think about it

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Actually

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You could describe sleepy as like

atomic halo
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TUKI TIKI LOW ENERGY WORD YOURE RIGHTTT

chilly urchin
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'uge 'i sagke kipa si [pilin]

atomic halo
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FUCKKK

chilly urchin
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We got the high energy word

atomic halo
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it hurts how much cunt tuki tiki served

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sitelen/nimi merger yes queen

chilly urchin
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TRUEEEEE

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Also

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I feel like we have been creating a lot of concepts out of our really small inventory so far and I find that interesting

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We have seldom created a bunch of words to use except when namako Kolisin makes a batch and shows it here

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So it's like

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Exploring each word before adding another which is very

atomic halo
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yeah!! its sooo fun

chilly urchin
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Inch res ting

remote junco
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I’m still getting used to cunt suddenly being like a dope word

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one of my friends called my pfp super cunty

chilly urchin
remote junco
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majuna Kolisin

atomic halo
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it IS super cunty

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got the dark lipstick

chilly urchin
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lonnnn

atomic halo
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speaking of tili. what do you guys think about the semantics of tili

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i musi-ly expanded it to mean general deterioration and change and that idea hung around in the back of my head a bit

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i think nimis here with the extended meaning of "growing/expanding" can fill that gap already but i wanted to put the thought somewhere

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tili -> fermented, pickled, moldy, decrepit, faded, etc

remote junco
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tili like rocks oof ouchie sharp

atomic halo
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YEAH

chilly urchin
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My lawa is lawaing rn and I have 2 say

remote junco
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merge tili nimis and moss word

atomic halo
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LONNN

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gisi gisi becomes the new tuki tiki

remote junco
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real…

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tuki tiki scratched a lot of my itches about nimi pu

atomic halo
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both moldy bread and mossy stones have [moss] nimis on them

remote junco
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weka/ala merger 😌

remote junco
atomic halo
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^ sating her hunger for mergers

remote junco
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really moss and mold and stuff likes to grow and expand

chilly urchin
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I do really like the idea of a word that specifically means like. Aging/product of aging in a way that changes the original existence of the object and i love the use of fermentation here. I just feel like maybe you could remove decrepit here?? I feel like nature kind of Is and specifically using a word for Bad is something I find a little bit hm. Like Idk maybe namako Kolisin sees it different but I feel like there's no inherent good or bad in nature and I like that a lot of constructions specifically mean neutral nature-y things

remote junco
#

perhaps it could be used for kama meanings

remote junco
atomic halo
#

lon...

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during the musi i did also say "jan li kala tili" to mean humans evolved from fish

chilly urchin
#

decrepit tho is specifically like. Ruined + bad

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decomposition is neutral (the wormz love it)

remote junco
#

idk I like looking at decrepit things

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I watch a lot of urbex stuff and mold fascinates me

atomic halo
#

person with smile lines is tili

chilly urchin
#

Oh no me 2 I like worn down stuff

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Just like the word decrepit itself kinda bad connotate-y but I think we're all inthe same page otherwise

atomic halo
#

yeag .....

remote junco
#

but yeah this new word we’re cooking up has like kama energy, I like the mold association

atomic halo
#

i love mulch

chilly urchin
#

MULCH GANG 4 LYF

remote junco
#

mulchhh

chilly urchin
#

Kali u are fucking cooking 2night what the fuck

atomic halo
#

they love my mulch chat

remote junco
#

lon a

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

mulch for gisi gisi

chilly urchin
#

I feel like weka is such a like

remote junco
#

weka is nice for distance I guess

chilly urchin
#

It is far away yes but like. Removing something is the same as ala

remote junco
#

but generally it’s just ala

chilly urchin
#

I know we have been tlaking about like kepeken whatever but like

remote junco
#

that’s how kipa is btw

atomic halo
#

i really like that "ka kipa" reads to me as both far from and unrelated to

chilly urchin
#

I never realized how weird weka and ala are

atomic halo
#

no proximity no association no relation

chilly urchin
#

And I kinda dislike how "mi ala e ni" is like

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I OBLITERATE this thing

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Because of it

atomic halo
#

A A A

remote junco
#

weka is a bad nimi sin

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institutionalized lanpan/meso

atomic halo
#

i kind of get it because ala isn't like an antonym for lon either

remote junco
atomic halo
#

ala is the essence of negation, not the essence of being un-present yk

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mi ala e ijo can also read to me like youre morphing it beyond recognition

chilly urchin
#

I'm gonna start using words weird

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

YEAH

remote junco
#

The Incident

chilly urchin
#

Back rooms

remote junco
atomic halo
#

this la if id change anything id want weka to more officially mean nonexistent as a true counterpart to lon

remote junco
#

and of course the animal words but those are fine and understandable, people like animals

atomic halo
#

speaking of The Revolution is toki weka. its idealized and has nothing to do with us

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saying a lie is toki weka, like yeah maybe that's happening in an alternate universe, but surely not here

chilly urchin
#

so haha Kali twirls hair what are u calling ur pickle word

atomic halo
#

i have to be real i kind of want to keep it tili so it's like an obscure joke like kokosila

remote junco
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ooh that reminds me of https://nimi.li/kana

nimi.li
kana

dream; trance, hypnosis, hallucination; illusion, fantasy, imaginary; narrative, story, myth

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

this is a ilo Powa word that functions as a neutral merger of powe/jume/oni

chilly urchin
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tili | aged, old, fermented, overgrown | Rocky | jan Kali

remote junco
#

ke is my kijetesantakalu for gisi gisi I think

fallen pasture
remote junco
#

I think a cloud

fallen pasture
#

i see nasa and.. smth else

#

oh yea

chilly urchin
#

if anything

viscid epochBOT
remote junco
#

hmm interesting

chilly urchin
#

alternatively

viscid epochBOT
atomic halo
#

fabulous hairstyle sutopatikuna

chilly urchin
#

[kana] kanesu - prophecy

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or w/e

atomic halo
#

lonnnnn

chilly urchin
#

but it can go either way

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

puwa Kolisin era

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coming back

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like 2000s ska

atomic halo
#

FOR REAL

remote junco
#

I mean if you think about it being soft is sort of like a state of flux

chilly urchin
#

interesting

remote junco
#

kama + puwa + moss/mold word perhaps

atomic halo
#

im willing to let go of the moss word if we do the tili word btw because i think [kasi] tili can get at that vibe on its own

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puwa tili because mold is indistinct gray fuzz

fallen pasture
#

are kasi cold-blooded or hot-blooded

atomic halo
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kasi is cold tbhh it simply isn't giving heat

fallen pasture
#

trueee

remote junco
#

show me a plant with its own heating

chilly urchin
#

So

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Actually

fallen pasture
chilly urchin
#

There are plants

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That do that

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The oine big fuckass flower that smells like corpse does that

fallen pasture
#

there's like plants called thermogenic plants

fallen pasture
atomic halo
#

why does she do that .

remote junco
#

ki’ekesagkakalu

chilly urchin
#

titan arum

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thisu one

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

:nimisgisi: titanalu - corpse flower

remote junco
#

this plant really wants live up to its genus name of “deformed penis” huh

fallen pasture
#

why are there so many corpse plants

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

can't settle on whether i want to call them nimis gisi or gisi nimis

remote junco
#

gisinimis works

fallen pasture
#

:(

atomic halo
#

humans when something stinks: ohhh fuck 🛌

chilly urchin
#

Carrion flowers are interesting because they were like

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Nobody is capitalizing on those icky insects

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Let's do that

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And you get the biggest craziest plants out of it

atomic halo
#

tili moli for corpse smell

chilly urchin
#

tili moli

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sanwi pi amu e tili moli

remote junco
#

okay so we still have tili sticking around

atomic halo
#

LON

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im very curious about how puwa/tili merger is gonna work out

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

that seems scary

remote junco
chilly urchin
#

a bit Much

atomic halo
#

a big part i think is like. trying to write a description that communicates the intersection of both ideas in a way that will give readers the vibe

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and im like not sure what intersection there is here that isn't super broad

remote junco
#

puwa tili for like mold works fine

atomic halo
#

lon..

chilly urchin
#

can puwa be our tawa

remote junco
#

idk I just want something to work for nimis and moss stuffs

atomic halo
#

shirt that says i love tili

chilly urchin
#

ka puwa

remote junco
#

kapow

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

HAHAH

#

psychic attacks in sesli gisi

remote junco
#

sesli gisi ku gisi gisi

chilly urchin
#

silen gisi

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guys we need particles for noun adjective and verb how are people gonna understand tili othberwise

fallen pasture
#

uhh

atomic halo
#

TRYUEEE

fallen pasture
#

there's no t in this lang rigth

remote junco
#

yeah no t

fallen pasture
#

bc i saw teles in the dict

remote junco
#

which is why tili is so sillycore

chilly urchin
#

wait yeah

remote junco
#

oh crap you’re right

chilly urchin
#

namako you just T

atomic halo
#

SHE FORGOT HER OWN INVENTORY CHAT

chilly urchin
#

CHAT !!!!!!!

remote junco
#

my brain didn’t Hawaiian enough

fallen pasture
#

'~t obvi

remote junco
#

it should be keles for the record

fallen pasture
#

or that

remote junco
#

just like the hawaiian word for taro, kalo

atomic halo
chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

oh so no t allowed officially now

remote junco
#

eh it’s not like sina and sona exist

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yeah

chilly urchin
#

kales un-tilis

atomic halo
#

got it

remote junco
#

t was not allowed from the start I just forgot it with “teles”

chilly urchin
remote junco
#

tilía

fallen pasture
atomic halo
#

tili'sa is the noun
tili'gu is the verb
etc

#

we are FIXING toki pona

chilly urchin
#

that is MY bit

remote junco
#

gisi gisi enhanced

atomic halo
#

LOLL

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hm.. no tili huh.. [tips my hat]

remote junco
#

kili not to be confused with kili

fallen pasture
atomic halo
#

YEAHH

fallen pasture
remote junco
#

sili

atomic halo
#

not to be confused with e li

#

sili :3c

chilly urchin
#

:3c

fallen pasture
#

:3c

atomic halo
#

i could fucks with sili WHY DID ROCKY DO THAT BTW

#

cheese is not tili.. where did the l come from...

chilly urchin
#

it destroyes me

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so fucking much

atomic halo
#

kisi?

chilly urchin
#

just

remote junco
#

probably from a non-English language

fallen pasture
atomic halo
#

kisi sili kili

chilly urchin
#

moku Sanwi
amu
tili

sanwi pi amu e tili

atomic halo
#

it's so good

remote junco
#

Rocky seems to know a couple words from non-English languages, malina is a Slavic word for raspberry

fallen pasture
#

malina...

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'<'

remote junco
#

and there’s a few I can’t seem to quite place my finger on in terms of being an English word

atomic halo
#

rocky invents guru asmr

remote junco
#

like kalani, ato, kote, losak, etc.

#

he has a good chunk of gendered kin terms

atomic halo
#

i think the best option is gonna be sili or 'ili to preserve the etymology

remote junco
#

pate means both father and pasta

lucid bay
atomic halo
#

YEAH RIGHT

remote junco
#

I’ve heard this like 6 times now but yeah it is funny

atomic halo
#

it's like when you say youre gonna google something

remote junco
fallen pasture
#

both italian

chilly urchin
#

guys do NOT say it because at 7 repetitions namako Kolisins EXPLODE

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

remote junco
#

first it was defined as pasta, but then later father with like no retrospection

fallen pasture
#

i think it's an interesting merger

atomic halo
#

yeah can we add this to gisi gisi

remote junco
#

pake — father, pasta

atomic halo
#

not to be confused with pake

fallen pasture
#

i think i prefer debuccing t tbh

atomic halo
#

diversity win t is now femme

#

as creator of the word tili i hereby announce it will be tentatively sili until overwritten at a later date btw

chilly urchin
#

twirls my tail sheets?
sheets tonight queen? 👀
sheets tonight?

atomic halo
#

also it's very fun that afaik toki pona was aiming for near universal concepts and our goal is to not have toki pona words in it so we have like the atomic concept of deterioration

#

wonder how that's going to shape up and whether it's gonna like affect talking about mundane stuff

atomic halo
fallen pasture
#

ermm

atomic halo
#

trueeee

#

no more nasa. we have now codified the social idea of normal

fallen pasture
#

what would be the opposite of nasa

chilly urchin
#

sama

atomic halo
#

sama...

fallen pasture
#

asan

#

asanma

atomic halo
#

asaga just to feel something

#

actually i wonder, how much does the vocabulary of other tokiponidos change

chilly urchin
#

i like the idea of the word for cold (if we have one) to mean sleep but also jhust like. Generally lowness of something. [kalama] [low] [low] is a whisper

atomic halo
#

i forget there's precedent sometimes

chilly urchin
#

tuki tiki cold merger is like

#

living rent free

atomic halo
#

so there's this tuki tiki cold merger

chilly urchin
#

and um

fallen pasture
#

yeah like

atomic halo
#

bees lapi when you lapi them

fallen pasture
#

the absense of heat/awakeness

atomic halo
#

trees lose their leaves and bears hibernate and such

fallen pasture
#

sbcende

atomic halo
#

what is that.... sbcende

fallen pasture
#

i feel like this is very weka

#

abdsnedese

#

absencce

atomic halo
#

ohhh

chilly urchin
#

I can't think what the word for kalama can be merged with. I feel like that's a pretty primordial concept without getting too into dubious territory

atomic halo
#

that's true.....

fallen pasture
chilly urchin
#

eeh

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that's a type of kalama

#

[kalama] gisi - voice

atomic halo
#

sound/smell merger? no that's so funny

chilly urchin
#

that's like

#

so fucked up 😭

atomic halo
#

RIGHT

#

the food was chirping and bubbling delightfully

fallen pasture
#

like uhhhrh

fallen pasture
chilly urchin
#

A word for like "sense" could cover this but then it's like. Then what. Tha't's a blanket term that's a bit narrow

atomic halo
#

i was walking down the street and i suddenly heard forced rhubarb noises and i started levitating towards the source

fallen pasture
#

like kalama ken elicit e feeling

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or someth

#

if you pilin wawa la sina kalama

atomic halo
#

oh btw have we pinned the sheets

fallen pasture
#

laughing, crying, screaming, etc

chilly urchin
#

I

#

Don't know if we can pin stuff

fallen pasture
#

umm

chilly urchin
#

I tried at least

#

Let me see

fallen pasture
#

we can postid it

atomic halo
#

i think the thread creator can

chilly urchin
#

a

covert folioBOT
#

I couldn't find that note.

atomic halo
#

ah nope no pins in posts

fallen pasture
#

just checking if there's alreayd one

chilly urchin
#

I can't pin stuff in my thread thingy either

#

'uge la

#

kalama should be its own word

fallen pasture
#

maybe (pilin) (kute)

chilly urchin
#

like sound is again. a very Unique thing

fallen pasture
#

or somthem

chilly urchin
#

I don't like pilin + kute cuz not all kute is pilin rly

#

or well

#

no

#

Like

#

Everything is pilin

fallen pasture
#

(pilin) paka?

#

hrmmnm

lucid bay
#

pilin kon

#

: ?

fallen pasture
#

yeah

lucid bay
#

sound is air vibrations

chilly urchin
#

lexicalization of sound doe

lucid bay
#

ruuur

atomic halo
#

pilin splitter into external and internal sense? im mad because it's like Lamer i feel

chilly urchin
#

naw

#

pilin I think is good for like

#

emotion and sense

atomic halo
#

yeah ......

chilly urchin
#

I like pilin it's a good word

atomic halo
#

ggreaaahhh

#

it is a good word items isn't it

chilly urchin
#

nods

atomic halo
#

ignore the items im texting in the sun

chilly urchin
#

pilin and kalama tawa mi are irreplaceable

chilly urchin
atomic halo
#

'uge si gisi ka teles kanesu sagke

#

ka kanesu sagke... [rubs temples

#

it's fucked up that prepositions we don't already have a reference for can kind of be taken in both directions

chilly urchin
#

keles tan seme

atomic halo
#

LIN

#

mi forgo

chilly urchin
#

no like

#

why are you Under

#

wait no

#

im dumb

#

I kept imagining like

#

Why is he being weird on this Bit he is On the sun anu seme

#

Anyway yea

chilly urchin
#

?

atomic halo
atomic halo
#

though i guess in a fun way it kinda works out because teles and kanesu have Implications about them

#

keles is roots/base/foundation coded and kanesu is sky/airborne coded

chilly urchin
#

a n

#

i see yes....

#

Although I thought that it was like

#

The actions of the main subject are carried to Y in the way X describes

#

Sortish

#

Except for ablative (tan) ig

atomic halo
#

the ka phrase can be appended to the subject verb OR object

chilly urchin
#

oh guvck

#

i gforgot aobut that one

#

fucked up

atomic halo
#

hm, it could also be that what Y and X are themselves will lend it to one direction more likely

#

person ka sesli room == room ka sesli person

#

the direction is implied by the objects themselves

#

ansem

chilly urchin
#

nnn

#

== ? like equal

atomic halo
#

ya

#

like those are saying the same thing, because it's the same two objects being linked in a sesli way

#

just rearranged

#

im not saying like in a sentence btw just by itself

chilly urchin
#

well

#

i guess for sesli it can go both ways

#

because yo ucan interpret it as

#

they're located at the same spot

#

it's kind of a lon

#

but more abstract

atomic halo
#

ken....

chilly urchin
#

but for the strictly directional ones person ka keles room =/= room ka keles person

#

we literally have menu

#

oops

atomic halo
#

but even then keles and sesli go in opposite directions, no?

#

in their respective sentences, Y is the sesli, X is the keles

chilly urchin
#

m. g?

atomic halo
#

we should bully kolisin about this

chilly urchin
#

confused

chilly urchin
#

can u #clarify 🥺

atomic halo
#

like it's "nesku ka sesli location" and "root ka keles nesku"

#

location is in Y, root is in X

#

i would like to say i adore nesku's added connotation of being generic/example btw

chilly urchin
#

but what is teh second one supposed 2 mean

#

like

#

oh wait i see what you mean

#

like

#

the direct object is the root that nesku is below ?

atomic halo
#

the root is UNDER the nesku

#

which means that in the relationship, X is the root, Y is the other nesku

#

the "ka keles" is framing what's BEFORE it as the keles in question

chilly urchin
#

nnn inchrestin

#

that makes sense

atomic halo
#

but "nesku ka sesli location" la, it's framing what's AFTER it as the sesli

chilly urchin
#

my brain keeps thinking of likke

#

preposition but this kinda giving postposition

#

but that's fucked up

atomic halo
#

which leads me to the hypothesis that it can work in both directions

#

a tree IS connected to its roots in a keles way

chilly urchin
#

we should bully kolisin about this

atomic halo
#

so you can say "nesku ka keles keles" just as well, n?

chilly urchin
#

w

#

but that's the thing as before

#

like

#

menu ka keles room -> person under the room

#

ansem

atomic halo
#

ken

#

and im arguing since it's both directions it could just as well be "room under the person" with appropriate context

chilly urchin
#

ah ok

atomic halo
#

or like person above the room

chilly urchin
#

Sorry I was like mega confused

#

I did Not understand words

#

Now I do

atomic halo
#

ka keles to mean based on / built on top of btw

chilly urchin
#

oghhhh

#

I see more now

#

Yeah that would make sense

#

Like

#

menu 'i [school] si [build] ka keles sasli [ni]

#

that's really good actually I like that

#

Ur brain

atomic halo
#

lawa miiii

chilly urchin
#

Sorry for being so fucked #up 😭

atomic halo
#

the moment we introduce direct antonyms this is going to explode

chilly urchin
#

NJKDJBHGDVGHJF

atomic halo
#

gisi gisers deciding whether they want to say ka sewi or ka anpa

chilly urchin
#

well

#

you can always say ka sewi anpa

atomic halo
#

true..,.

chilly urchin
#

like to establish an absolute

#

but

#

i feel like that would have to be like

#

a rule in the language

atomic halo
#

well eat that cake when we get to it amen

chilly urchin
#

AMEN

atomic halo
#

@remote junco pinging you anyway though did you intend for like. "X ka sesli Y" and "Y ka sesli X" to be theoretically synonymous

chilly urchin
#

or specifically ka invoking dative

#

idk i think we just have to make 3 more particles and

atomic halo
#

TRUEE

#

i think im also being affected by like the only ka sesli example i remember is nesku ka sesli sesli and i read it as like "housed by/located in"

chilly urchin
#

ah probably

#

that would fuck up the strongest of souls

atomic halo
#

maybe it really is lon and nesku ka sesli nesku connects them by virtue of having the same sesli

#

the same sesli

#

i would kind of like a word for vicinity for that though tbhh

#

like we need a kan equivalent

#

we can have nesku ka poka nesku

chilly urchin
#

nods nods

atomic halo
#

oh i should read up on the kalama debacle

chilly urchin
#

ken...

atomic halo
#

pakam. paka... rubs temples

#

what if sound is a subset of one of paka's definitions, just like on its own

#

like what if the "Word" for sound has headnoun paka

#

that might be putting too much weight on paka's shoulders though

chilly urchin
#

cuz like it is a little bit lexicalizing

#

unless we want to lean into like

atomic halo
#

so true.

chilly urchin
#

having more words like trhis

atomic halo
#

what did you dislike about kalama-kute merger again

chilly urchin
#

where it is lexicalized by default but then what word do u add 2 that

chilly urchin
#

that was never mentioned

#

i think it was kalama pilin

atomic halo
#

i saw above that "pilin kute" was suggested and something was said about it and i like extrapolated a a

chilly urchin
#

a

#

pilin i think is like its own word but i dont really think i have an issue with kalama kute merger... as long of course as we establish that sensing all resides in pilin and you have to disambiguate with that

#

following that thread, lukin can be both perceive and present. smell can just be paka pilin maybe. taste can be both to flavor and to taste ??

#

touch uhhh mold and feel idk

#

But it can be interesting....

#

I keep thinking about interrogative

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atomic halo
#

interrogative time

#

when i get back to my room ill try to make the hot and cold blooded words and playtest

chilly urchin
#

nods

#

Nods is such a good word

#

Conveying autistic nonverbality

#

I am aware of ur statement

atomic halo
#

me doing n...

#

it's like crossing my arms and lightly nodding

#

nvm this is hard

atomic halo
#

actually for cold blooded animal i might spread my dragon propaganda again

#

pūķis is from latvian and is pronounced [pūːcis]

#

idk what that means exactly. i think the c is a palatal stop?

#

a t would be close but we don't have that so im assuming it's still just pukis

#

pukis - fish, amphibian, reptile; cold-blooded animal

#

they also apparently do the german thing where kites are called dragons which i think is cute

#

also passively thinking again about like. hot and cold blood as categories when we Have a word for blood

#

idk it's Fine Actually. i will think anyway though

#

thinking about lapi loaner what if we get something like "muted, inactive, static" about it

#

trying to cut the semantic space up a bit because

  • cold: cold can be intense... maybe it can be adjacent to lapi but not enough to be Part of the Definition
  • sleep: want to give sagke kipa its moments as well, sometimes you feel terribly anxious which is not very lapi but it's definitely sagke kipa (lon pilin mi)
  • just to mess around with it and see what happens
#

@chilly urchin youre the lapi proponent what are your thoughts on this

#

hm. maybe this makes it teeter over to paka antonym

atomic halo
#

also sitelen oh my god

#

i say gisi is already expression. sitelen is gisi [lukin]

#

that's also sign language nvm AUGH

#

but maybe though. but AUGH

remote junco
atomic halo
#

ok yeah but what if like. just in a vacuum

#

like could ka sesli mean both "on" and "containing"

remote junco
#

outside of a sentence, perhaps

atomic halo
#

nods nods

remote junco
#

I don’t really think of ka sesli being like “on” contrary to most general locative constructions

#

on would be comparable to above something

atomic halo
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'uge 'i kusi ka sesli gisi si paka
"i move the hard drive"

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hn, ka phrases on object and subject feel a lot like they could be plain modifiers or are acting like relative clauses

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whats your take on this

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i guess it's because modifiers are more flexible because english do be having you say "the house across the street is red

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getting modifier brainrot

remote junco
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it’s sort of like a relative clause yeah, although it’s like the most bare thing

atomic halo
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ooh imagine pi is axed and replaced with squeezing your brain for novel uses of ka

remote junco
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you could use a modifier instead, the ka formations are just more specific

atomic halo
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pin't might also be funny in that if you don't have a ka for the relationship you have to just Not Do It

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i imagine overusing ka like overusing pi would also be harder to parse

remote junco
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true, I feel like ku is pretty weak right now

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ideally you should only use one ka after something

atomic halo
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nods sagely

atomic halo
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i would like to formally thank indifferentlanguages dot com

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no idea if it's regulated or fact checked at all. i tried to look around other sites and it seemed kind of consistent though so winnnn?

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i should make a letter counter on the sheets (remembers im on my phone and starts convulsing)

remote junco
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owo

atomic halo
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uwu

chilly urchin
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I read this freshly woken up and I have to say

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I only know you mentioned drawgons

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And I forgot the rest already

wispy tendonBOT
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dragon mention instant k.o

chilly urchin
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BEKDBJQB

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It's like shining a laser at a cat but the cat is my headmate

wispy tendonBOT
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do you think pukis and magi have phonotactics swag though.... also we are still awaiting your response wrt the lapi dissection

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phonesthetics swag

chilly urchin
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Ok ok I gotta leave soon but I like pukis it sounds goofy

wispy tendonBOT
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^ weka

chilly urchin
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Magi also swaggerlicious but I have to remove mini "maji" from mi brain

chilly urchin
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I do have to say ka as pi is really good construction I like how nonstandard it is

remote junco
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twiddles with my thin white beard like a wizard deep in contemplation

chilly urchin
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LITERALLYYY

chilly urchin
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Ok I will now properly read these messages and analyze them in my mind's eye during the day

chilly urchin
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Dats p cool

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Ok my thoughts for now and then I can look back on them later

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magi is weird
cons: it feels like it could be a meso pitfall in the sense that it might be very subjective for things that could be described otherwise
Pros: a word similarish to awen but including relative staticness is interesting. It could describe both staying in place unchanging or just the general notion of something being notably missing

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Also I am a fan of reduplication jijinks so if anything one can describe it as nesku magi magi for a pretty big stop in quality or behavior, or like nesku X ka magi nesku Y for "missing" Y from X

atomic halo
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a, by muted i originally meant as in muted colors too btw

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i forgot to put more words in about it

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the other definitions are like when i was playing around with the concept of like. a State of Being pini

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would say more but my phone li kama lape

chilly urchin
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Ur phone hates gisi gisi

atomic halo
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a! in some use cases it might be similar to lili, which i think eases the worries about meso pitfall a bit because we already have and use lili

chilly urchin
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Mhm

chilly urchin
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I think it's an interesting word >:3

atomic halo
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reading magi really does make you think about wizards though doesn't it

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that's so fucked up

chilly urchin
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I love that though