sona.pona.la

[golden rock]

@split grail article idea: people with wikipedia pages that have at some point chosen a toki pona name for themselves

so far i can only remember sam from wendover

but maybe others can think of more

[split grail]

a

Sonja Lang

if you count like

Esperanto Wikipedia

[golden rock]

i personally wouldn't but like sure

[split grail]

there's many tokiponists in Esperanto Wikipedia like Marek Blahuš and

Vacily something

terrible with names

and something Khusavona

[golden rock]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_arson_crimew has a wikipedia page and is aware of toki pona but i don't know if it ever used a toki pona name publicly

[split grail]

omg.

soweli Maja??????????

[golden rock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/301377942062366741/1088985947254816899/Screenshot_20230325-110930_Opera.jpg?ex=65c6c632&is=65b45132&hm=31f39bcad845bff27c414bd65e812271349e9266f7e06664273c2321d8d09a16&=&format=webp&width=900&height=390
this is the only case of maia speaking toki pona im aware of

[split grail]

she's basically fluent

[golden rock]

true

anyway this idea was obviously triggered by rob words adopting jan Waputo as a name but unfortunately he does not seem to have a wikipedia page

[split grail]

sadge

this of course means that we have to get more tokiponists on Wikipedia

the only people that I can think of that have a Wikipedia are what I already said

Sonja + see [[etoso]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/etoso

[upbeat summit]

Could just be a subsection of [[Tokiponists]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Tokiponists

[split grail]

^

[hot trout]

They might not always fall under the label of Tokiponists.

Radio interviewer: So, my name being Robert Someorwhat, how would I call myself?
terrified jan Ke Tami who has never been on a radio segment: Maybe something like jan Ope Samowa
Interviewer: jan Ope Samowa. I like that

[upbeat summit]

true…

hmm

[split grail]

monsuta Ke Tami

[grand marten]

a https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/-/issues/4535

[split grail]

i am going INSANE with this

[hot trout]

@vague aspen don't make me do it

[golden rock]

@hot trout protecting @safe stag

🥺

[split grail]

omg,.

banning Enki from Kekan's reach

[vague aspen]

do you want to be included in the dating sim project

[hot trout]

don't care

[vague aspen]

hmmmmmmm

[split grail]

gjskldfjsd

is the dating sim project a place where everyone you want to cause evil go, cause I'm scared

stop using the hecking <cite> tags

[vague aspen]

nah not really

i’m just asking random people who i talk to (and recently these “conversations” are mostly edit wars)

[split grail]

aa

jfklsdjfs

[safe stag]

no because they shouldn't be on the page for not being name glyphs
they're not personal, or my name, or at all reflective of any way i would write my name
this is a drawing of my avatar

the closest thing to a name glyph for me, which i am providing as an example of a thing that is not a name glyph but as something still nearer than this glyph, would be the star pentagon alt for mun (i.e. 5 sided intersecting shape, the easiest way to hand draw a 5 pointed star). i have signed my name with that as my head noun before, as opposed to the usual crescent mun

[split grail]

no because they shouldn't be on the page for not being name glyphs
they are glyphs for a name,. using in writing

[safe stag]

again, the glyph isn't a name
it has a ligature that uses my name to be presented on the screen
the resultant glyph is not a name

[split grail]

hm

[safe stag]

i do not agree with the classification and i am increasingly unhappy with the glyph being assigned to me

if you insist that they should still be on the page, i would use something like the following wording for at least the first:
"Represents his avatar with a thumbs-up. Used in the cheat sheet by lipamanka (though no version of linja lipamanka has the glyph available). This glyph was not created or suggested by jan Kekan San, and he does not use it for a name or signature, nor identify it as a name glyph due to it not being personal and it being representative of his avatar instead of his name."

you may vary this wording or shorten it but all of this information is important to me

[split grail]

yeah

I want to include it as it was used on something

and if people ask others can point to this page

and show 'hey don't use this actually'

[safe stag]

that's fine by me

i am quite preferentially attached to my name in sitelen pona, aha

[split grail]

it's alright

I understand

(though no version of linja lipamanka has the glyph available)
o

[safe stag]

i should clarify that is my Understanding

[split grail]

ah I see

mi tawer toky lipamankers

[safe stag]

i asked lipamanka about it once a few months ago bc i was surprised i couldn't find the glyph in a ligature or in the glyph sheet

[safe stag]

this is funny but @vague aspen please stop, thank you
even though i do not always like the wiki, i would rather it be treated seriously than jokingly

[vague aspen]

okay

sorry

[safe stag]

no worries

[vague aspen]

check dms please (if you want to of course)

[safe stag]

i will soon but i actually had a Lot of mentions to catch up on and i am still doing so, aha

[split grail]

Used in the cheat sheet by lipamanka, however, this glyph was not created or is used by jan Kekan San himself, and he does not endorce its usage.
shortened down a bit??

just to get the whole point accross

• mun li kepeken sitelen ni ala
• mun li wile ala e ni: jan ante li kepeken sitelen ni

[...], due to it being a representation of his avatar instead of his name.
maybe adding this

for kekantesantakalu, it's also a joke glyph

big ass text

[safe stag]

i don't like the use of the word endorse but don't really have an alternative suggestion nor like, an idea of why i don't like it

actually i wrote that but while i was suggesting a fix i found a more concise and accurate wording

in the text, "was not created or suggested by jan Kekan San, and he does not use it nor want it to be used as name glyph due to ..."

[split grail]

aaaa

[safe stag]

due to it representing his avatar instead of his name*
even shorter

i think this wording is clear that it's fine to Use, in General
just not as a name glyph
which is how the cheat sheet presents it
but maybe this wording says it can't be used at all
idk
i don't think one compressed ish paragraph on the wiki can fully convey that detail lol

link this conversation, make wiki readers read every word of this conversation, that'd how wikis work

[split grail]

[...] however, this glyph was not created or is used by jan Kekan San himself, and he does not wish for it to be used as name glyph due to it representing his avatar instead of his name.

??¿¿¿¿???¿??

[safe stag]

"was not created or is used" grammatical error i was trying to correct

[split grail]

o

is that grammatically incorrect what

[safe stag]

one is past and the other is present so you need a new verb

they can't just mix for reasons

[split grail]

to me it sounded fine,.

burden of being non-native

okay so

[safe stag]

you could say "was not created, suggested, or used"
presenting the usage bit as past is a teensy bit incorrect but the following sentence corrects thr potential misunderstanding

i keep adding suggested because many name glyphs were not created by their users, but instead were described to somebody else who created them

[split grail]

I mean

they kinda are created

[safe stag]

see: lipamanka font thread

[split grail]

in my opinion

[safe stag]

no

hang on let me fetch the entire quote that is my thesis

[split grail]

jkflsdjfsd

[split grail]

many people drew them and then sent to lipamanka

or even, describing it in text, is that not creation

going insane trying to word this

[safe stag]

i found the quote but decided it doesn't matter enough

[split grail]

so I will just not.

[safe stag]

i find it important for myself that the glyph is not attributed to me

but like, i have already complained enough about like, 3 sentences on one minor page of a wiki for the nichest possible topic, a minimalist conlang

[split grail]

gjsdlkfjsd

[grand marten]

ken la poki sin

taso nimi o seme

[Deprecated] li ken ala tan ni → tenpo ala la ona li nimi

[split grail]

fuckibn

i think it's good enough as is

[grand marten]

mi kama sona e nasin pona la mi pana

[split grail]

like, sometimes using templates like so is a bit unnecessary

[grand marten]

aaa ilo ala

[split grail]

especially when it's a single sentence

[grand marten]

poki li

[split grail]

aa

[grand marten]

People

jan Kita

Groups

Ma Toki Pona VR

[ike]

jan Kekan San

[Disclaimed]?

[safe stag]

i would say no but that line is blurry
if i describe a space laser to John Billionaire and he goes on to pay thousands of engineers to create a space laser, i did not invent the space laser, i had the idea and John Billionaire~~'s team~~ invented the space laser

but also like that's an invention, as opposed to a name

[split grail]

jan kekan is IKE

[dark tree]

koni/soni/ani are alternative versions of ki/si/wi. koni/soni/ani are easier to distinguish when you hear them. @oblique loom came up with nasin kisiwi and originally described it in #sona-musi. ki/so/wi and koni/soni/ani replace mi/sina/ona/ni. there's also a thread in sona-musi: #tpt-kisiwi

@split grail you asked about soni

[split grail]

o

[dark tree]

... kisiwi

[rain ice]

#5823 📣 alternative pronoun/determiner system for toki pona using ki, si, and wi, made by @oblique loom
#sona-musi message

[split grail]

did I

[dark tree]

yes

[safe stag]

i do not have the artistic skill to make my own thumbnails for my youtube videos, or have created the glyph we're discussing, or invent a space laser even on paper

so like i can't create That name glyph, i could only create a simpler one or suggest a more detailed one

[split grail]

a

I was making a joke on that it looks like en + soni, but thank youu anyway

[dark tree]

a

[split grail]

sona

[safe stag]

i can't even draw a regular 5 pointed star without it being the self intersecting pentagon lmao

[split grail]

beautiful quote, John Billionaire

[grand marten]

mi sitelen ike e nimi mi a · sitelen pona li wile e tenpo mute · ken la ona li ike tawa sitelen

[split grail]

tawa li pona

[upbeat summit]

kid named <cite />

[split grail]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-named-finger-wawa-gif-26530459

[dark tree]

@distant lily came up with good majuna: #pali-musi message

[split grail]

how do we know,,.,.,......

@ kiri did you

or were you referring to a glyph that already existed

[distant lily]

a

#pali-musi message

[split grail]

← fucking idiot

okay you are awesome didyou know that

how do I call you

[upbeat summit]

(hi i love your profile picture)

[distant lily]

toki :)

[split grail]

sowelili li olin e kili

[distant lily]

mi kili

[split grail]

jan Kili anu seme

[distant lily]

kili taso

[split grail]

in 2021, kili created mu mu mu mu...

ni li pona ala pona

[distant lily]

a sina wile toki e pali mi

[split grail]

lonn

[distant lily]

nimi mi li ante lon tenpo ante... kili, kili pan, ...

o kepeken ona pi wile sina

[split grail]

wile mi li wile sina

[distant lily]

😳

[dark tree]

[[majuna]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/majuna

[split grail]

ni a

[dark tree]

nimi kili li tawa lipu ni

[split grail]

look at the man, so happy Discord posted him thrice

[dark tree]

he looks like Popeye

[split grail]

what can I put as an example sentence for majuna.,

jan li kama majuna la ona li kama sona.
As people age, they get smarter.

[dark tree]

toki pona

mi [[Reduplication#Counter-examples]] e lipu

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Reduplication#Counter-examples

[dark tree]

idk if i phrased things clearly

o pona e toki

[split grail]

jan nanpa o toki sin li lon
https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1200957418432123033

mi sona ala e kon ona..

@safe stag @outer stirrup sina sona li pana tawa sona pona la o pana e lipu e toki tawa lipu ni
[[What's next?]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/What's_next%3F

[safe stag]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Usages#Art_and_media

ni li musi lili li awen lon

[split grail]

n sona

[safe stag]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Communities

[split grail]

dkdgdkhd

[safe stag]

sina wile wawa e sona toki la o kute e toki o toki, anu seme

mi toki mute e ni lon lipu sona mi

[split grail]

pona

[safe stag]

mi ken toki e ni lon lipu: o tawa kulupu seme, o kute e seme, o lukin e seme
taso mi ni la mi o pana e seme? ale li ken

[split grail]

mi ken pana

[safe stag]

pilin mi la o pana e toki sama toki pi jan Sonja pi lipu pu

[split grail]

sona
← pu ala

[safe stag]

o awen, mi alasa

[verbal coral]

toki en sona la toki pona li len lape

Do you do intensive geometry in your pjs? Do you conduct intense diplomatic discussions? Do you really say anything that more than 2 conditional clauses? Not typically. You can if you had to, but would your head be in it? toki pona: it’s the flannel pants of speech.

#902286 pajamas

[grand marten]

ni li sona pona o lon ijo tawa mi

[safe stag]

“Now the rest depends on you. Go enjoy yourself. Create, play, and be pona!”
https://tokipona.org/Sonja_Lang_-_Toki_Pona_Dictionary.pdf

[split grail]

ahh

[split grail]

aa

ku pu

pu ku

[safe stag]

pu

[split grail]

it sure fucking is

why are you so silly

[grand marten]

:p

[noble gulch]

ni li sona pona nanpa wan.

[noble gulch]

ni li lon. taso kin la jan sin li sona ala e lon pi lipu pona mute. ona li wile lukin e lipu ni: ona li pana e sona pi lipu ante. nnn mi sona ala. toki pona la jan li open kama sona li kama sona e nimi e nasin ale. taso ni li ante: ona li kama lon kulupu li kepeken toki pona. n.

[covert flume]

I didn't know websites could be added to wikidata

Wait wrong website

(referring to the nimi.li wikidata proposal - I got it mixed up with this website. oops)

[grand marten]

mi open e pali · pona li seme

[upbeat summit]

seme the

[noble gulch]

sem

[grand marten]

mi alasa pali e nasin pali pona pi sitelen sona · mi ni la mi pali e sitelen sona mute

sama sitelen [mi tawa e tomo]

[covert flume]

Kipisi pon pon pon je je

[noble gulch]

a a a

[dark tree]

suwi mute

[split grail]

mi luka
[[c:Category:Luka Pona manual alphabet]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Luka_Pona_manual_alphabet

[split grail]

sobbing

this is modern art

oh also, what licence do we put these as

[grand marten]

mi pali la mi pana pi ken ale [CC0] · ijo ante li pali la ona li pana pi wile ona

taso · ilo sitelen [Nishiki-teki] li lon insa la nasin [OFL]

[split grail]

a

sona

[split grail]

ponaa

[split grail]

https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibidi_Toilet

[vague aspen]

shit container lmao

[split grail]

note to myself, add metaphorical uses of uta
#toki-ale message

[split grail]

waiting patiently and excitedly for non tests

[grand marten]

ike la awen li suli

tan ni → mi wile pali e ijo mute · taso mi pali lili

[grand marten]

leko la mi pana e suli 6 · pimeja la mi pana e suli 6 · ona tu li sama ala tan seme

a mi o kili e tonsi

[split grail]

awawawawa

[split grail]

musi la sina wile pali li toki uta,.. 🥺

[grand marten]

mi awen alasa :3

nasin [Nishiki-teki] li s(h)ike ala la mi leko e ale

[noble gulch]

nanpa ku li pakala.

mi sona ala usawi Misijawiki la jan o pona.

[split grail]

awaawawa

mi la

nanpa wan li pona,.,...,

[split grail]

we do know that

[noble gulch]

pona.

[split grail]

for since the template was created

[noble gulch]

a

[split grail]

its' just

no one fixed that

blame Menasewi

[noble gulch]

nasa. ni li kama lon ilo luka taso.

taso mi kepeken ilo suli li wile lukin e ona sama ilo luka la pakala li kama ala.

[split grail]

ni

[noble gulch]

ni li lon ilo suli pi soweli seli li ilo luka pi lon ala.

nasa a.

jan pi ilo Android la seme?

mi jo e ilo Iphone la ona li pakala, taso ken la ni li pakala pi kulupu kili li lon ala sona.pona.la.

[split grail]

mi kepeken ilo Android

ona li pakala sama

[noble gulch]

n

[split grail]

can we have templates for citing journals and books

(separate templates)

hmmmmmm it seems that to use the Upload Wizard we need to add,,,, its templates

fascinating

huhh

I am

so tired of this

@upbeat summit sobbing,.

[noble gulch]

Can we have a rationalized citation system where all the citation data is kept in one place, rather than repeating full bibliographic information between articles.

I've done a little digging, and it seems as if mediawiki's support for bibtex is quite poor.

[split grail]

I'm mostly basing myself on what Wikipedia has plus some shortcuts for things that we use often (pu, ku, nap2, lipamanka)

[split grail]

I didn't respond well
it's preddy, I love the work :)
for the yellow and red boxes, I liked the old deisgns, specifically the colour for the yellow and the roundness of them
otherwise good work <3

[grand marten]

mi ante e kule tan ni → ilo pi nasin [WCAG] la walo en jelo li ante pona ala tawa jan pi lukin lili

sike la · n

ken la mi o kepeken nasin [nanpa] anu nasin ante sike

[vague aspen]

ni li tan jaki ike pakala Mineluwanoje

[grand marten]

a linja [lipamanka]

[split grail]

sonaa

[split grail]

ni li seme

[grand marten]

[MinervaNeue] anu seme

ilo lili li lukin e selo ante

[split grail]

aaa

[split grail]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vague aspen]

YA˩HOOOO˥˨˦!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vague aspen]

lon

[split grail]

plesse refrsh your cache because we're so back !!

so later

I should probably make a little essay on how to change your font

especially for those who want ssk mono

[split grail]

https://linguistikolympiade.de/sitelen-sitelen-die-gezeichnete-schrift/

[grand marten]

seme li wile ala e siseki mono

[split grail]

n

mi,, 🥺

[split grail]

aaaaargh i am so eepy
[[User:SnpoSuwan/Changing fonts in MediaWiki]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:SnpoSuwan%2FChanging_fonts_in_MediaWiki

[split grail]

I don't even know where to publish this in

[vague aspen]

omg i thought i was the only one to say that

[grand marten]

[siseki] anu seme

[vague aspen]

mmhmm

[upbeat summit]

I should probably make that, like

practicality?

article

soon

is that a good name for it

the whole "oh but how are you going to use TP in an emergency" type thing that isn't currently likely to happen and that no one is actually suggesting be likely to happen

[hot trout]

Maybe not all the way related, but I like this response to the "a" image with the shark:
https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/comments/1aepyn7/comment/ko8qxzm/

[split grail]

maybe an idea for [Fonts]
to introduce features that a bit weird, you do

'''Special behavior:'''
* To input long pi, do `pi+` 
* mu mu mu mu
* mu mu mu

[dark tree]

ooh i like this

[hot trout]

ye
I though of making a template for it
but I didn't know how to handle infinite amounts of arguments

[split grail]

why make it an a template, this alone is fineee

also asking people to make fixes to [[pin't]] and its section on [[pi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pin't
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pi

[split grail]

tenpo penpo pi poki pona

[upbeat summit]

#replace

runs

[split grail]

@upbeat summit wake up

we got mun to toki about

[upbeat summit]

wha

[split grail]

it's February!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[[mun pi ante toki]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mun_pi_ante_toki

[upbeat summit]

but i don't have any special insight on that 😵‍💫

[split grail]

aaaa

acquire it

[upbeat summit]

what the fuck is an "mun"

much less "pi" 🤔

[noble gulch]

Honestly I'm becoming [[pin't]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pin't

[upbeat summit]

kama pona

[upbeat summit]

With [[Practicality]], we are now up to 500 articles 🎉

[split grail]

wooo

how many percent from the Lojban wiki

[upbeat summit]

purges the cache furiously

24%

500/2161

Not bad, i'd say

And honestly, spamming random page a bit on their wiki, i'd say that comparison doesn't factor quality in

[split grail]

o

as in

we're shit or

they are

[upbeat summit]

I'm not saying anyone is shit,,

I just don't think we have articles quite like

https://mw-live.lojban.org/papri/unicorn

or https://mw-live.lojban.org/papri/pending_modules (which seems like it should be a Project page, not in mainspace)

[split grail]

a

[upbeat summit]

and, just from the most cursory of glances, i'm not sure they have anything in the way of [[Category:Maintenance]]?

[split grail]

PLEASE i am sobbing

[upbeat summit]

¿pq no?

[split grail]

btw I am going insane from these idiot spaces

WHY templates

WHY must you curse us like so

[upbeat summit]

what the

why is that

[split grail]

the people on the Miraheze server told me that maybe wrapping them in <includeonly> tags but

[split grail]

a bit too silly innit

[split grail]

I don't want go thru every fucking page and delete a newline

because that is so ugly in the source code

and dumb to start with

because we always thave this issue

[upbeat summit]

It wasn't like that before, though, right??

[split grail]

I don't know???????????????????????????

[upbeat summit]

…fixt?

[split grail]

furiously destroys cache

woo

[upbeat summit]

so

the wikitext that opens {| or closes |} a table

the first character needs to be at the start of the line

but apparently there can be other stuff sharing a line afterwards

unlike. headings and stuff i guess

so i just rammed the <noinclude /> opening tag right up next to the end of the table close to get rid of the extra newline

[split grail]

a

[upbeat summit]

Cool Idea

[split grail]

it fixt

do we have a category for these like

pages written like an essay

such as [Practicality],

[upbeat summit]

Category:Essays

[split grail]

oh it's right there

← stupid and blind

what is this

lipamanka??

[upbeat summit]

Ah this was for https://sona.pona.la/wiki/jan_Misali's_thoughts_on_words

[split grail]

a

[upbeat summit]

until @grand marten said " hot take, this is a dictionary −Category:Essays about every word; +Category:Essays; +Category:Dictionaries using HotCat"

which is fair imo

[split grail]

kjhgfjk

true

Dictionary Misali

I love this licence btw

[grand marten]

mi ni?!

[split grail]

sina ni!!

[upbeat summit]

mi tawa ma:

mi tawa e ma:

[split grail]

sina tawa ala e ma. sina tawa tan tawa ma

[upbeat summit]

taso

mi lon kin e ma

[split grail]

sewi Menasewi

[upbeat summit]

kinema 🎦

[split grail]

Oh

[upbeat summit]

Oh

…?

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:Source_texts

I am probably missing a bunch

[split grail]

pona

a also

since you know about templates

can you make a category for citation templates

[upbeat summit]

I

didn't realize we had this many

[split grail]

hgfjhgfsdg

[upbeat summit]

It's pretty wild that we only have, like

hrm

We don't have any articles that haven't been edited since July 2023 or earlier

Every article has been touched at least once since August

and all but 6 since October

and all but 11 since November

and by then it's like

practically the present as far as i care

basically not a lot of articles that are seriously languishing

[split grail]

and guess who joined in September

[split grail]

bruh

what is this exactly

also, cool category
[[c:Category:Toki Pona-language free software]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Toki_Pona-language_free_software

[split grail]

I should maybe remove the -language

@noble gulch for you btw
[[Category:Citation templates]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:Citation_templates

[split grail]

ababab

@grand marten bonjoyur I am back to bothering you (lovingly)

how are the sitelen for sona pona-ing

[grand marten]

mi li pali e ala

sowi

[split grail]

ale li pona

I'm just excited for them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1122373286844702810.webp?size=64

[grand marten]

@upbeat summit o · ni li seme tawa sina

[split grail]

it was a nice idea but I don't think this template is that great

after all

@upbeat summit
https://app.simplenote.com/p/jtRhb1

[vague aspen]

what do y’all guys think if i make the {{ku data}} template have all data and not just what is publicly available

[grand marten]

pali suli en lanpan ike pi jan [Sonja]

[vague aspen]

n…

ni la mi o ala

[split grail]

^^

[split grail]

[[c:File:2-legs-and black-shoes.JPG]] will be the pic for noka

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:2-legs-and_black-shoes.JPG

[split grail]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Leg

oh damn

ehehehehe

HOW DO I FIND PICS OF LEGS THAT ARE NOT SUGGESTIVE

[steep cave]

maybe find full body picture then crop it?

[split grail]

aa

maybe

also dilemma with images

for the animals words
do we show only one example of it

or many

this or this for waso for example

[steep cave]

for waso, add a typical bird, a bat, and a flightless bird like ostrich or penguin

for soweli, use many pictures

[split grail]

[[soweli]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/soweli

[split grail]

I love the one for soweli btw

because it is so cute

,.look at it

[zinc hazel]

u can't

[split grail]

added this for [[akesi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/akesi

[split grail]

like the only good one that I could find was for [[pipi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pipi

[split grail]

which matches very well with the English concept of 'insect'

[split grail]

also also

[steep cave]

omg, that's very cute, keep that

[split grail]

do we make our own collages maybe

the summary of the file is the part that I love most

literally sobbing from it,...

[[c:File:Charmion 1897.jpg]] wawa

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Charmion_1897.jpg

[split grail]

[[c:File:Transgender House - Topeka, Kansas (45113973152).jpg]]
TOMO TONSI

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Transgender_House_-_Topeka%2C_Kansas_(45113973152).jpg

[split grail]

TOMSI

[grand marten]

sitelen wan pi waso mute 🤔

n · sitelen pi poki nimi sijelo la ken la ijo sijelo o jan ala o soweli

(sijelo en sijelo ala · luka en noka en)

[upbeat summit]

Used for the title of [[Special:AncientPages]], this is what Wikipedia sets it to so that it's clear that it's sorted by last edit date and not creation date

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:AncientPages

[upbeat summit]

Does it mess up the table of contents or the HTML id at all

[upbeat summit]

Can we rename the images on [[luka pona#Handshapes]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/luka_pona#Handshapes

[upbeat summit]

iirc those are just from pu's section on toki pona luka so that's misleading imo

the filenames should make sense on both pages

also the 5 hand image should be split into the current version (tpl) and a version with the motion lines removed (lpsl)

[steep cave]

I can't figure out how to edit this: https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Machine_translation#Rule-based_translation

My translator has been renamed to "ilo Token", the link have changed too: https://github.com/neverRare/ilo-token

[grand marten]

ni tu li awen pona

[upbeat summit]

hrm

[grand marten]

sina sona ala e seme · ken la sina wile e nasin [source] pi toki ilo e nasin [visual] ala pi pona lukin

[steep cave]

a! mi wile e ni a

[steep cave]

okay, I've edited it now, thanks

I just realized I didn't tell what I was having trouble specifically lol. I can't figured out how to put link and tag it with lang="tok". I figured it out now, just need to edit the source

[grand marten]

mi lukin e ni lon kulupu lipu majuna mi · #toki-ale message · https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BGcFcTO6jxHa0UTAxQL5qfVQ-REGGCcUa4i9jsuEx_M/edit

[upbeat summit]

Should we have a general page on conlangs to handle misconceptions about those

[split grail]

they are from the pu section yeah
so that's why I named them as such

luka pona came way after and I'm mostly using these hands because it's convenient (there's no better images for handshapes that are all coherrent)

I'm also not making them because I had a small anxiety attack and ended up destroying all my nails so that'll have to wait

images at [[c:Category:Toki Pona in toki pona luka]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Toki_Pona_in_toki_pona_luka

[split grail]

I should ask the bots to rename it to just 'toki pona luka'

[outer stirrup]

@split grail pls stop moving the resources without talking to me

[split grail]

so then

talk

[outer stirrup]

i want them at the top because they're a better starting point if you want to learn rather than the sort of shortened summary in the wiki

[split grail]

I put them at the bottom bc

• it's more common for wikis, and our other pages
• the info is in a different method (learning-focused vs. grammar-focused)

and the pages are bigger, at least, trying to collect the info that I can

(sadly without videos, yet)

[split grail]

there's the lessons by Olipija, which is fair
the blog post by her, covered by the intro statement
dictionaries and videos, which one normally finds at the bottom of the page anwyay

the sona pona article is not great for learning, but I don't think it has to be, more about giving you information or learning about something

if you go to the Wikipedia page for, Turkish idk, you won't be able to learn it very well, but you will understand that ah this is a language it has this syntax this morphology blah blah blah

I like sona pona also bc it gives me the chance to write articles not focused primarily on learning like this

[outer stirrup]

it's more common for wikis, and our other pages
ni wan la ni li suli ALA A tawa mi. lipu wan o pona tawa wile ona. wile ona li ken sama ala wile pi lipu ante.

pilin ante la......aaaaaa suno li open taso. tenpo ni la mi wile utala ala li wile lape

[upbeat summit]

We could use a sidebar template to make it easily accessible from the top

as well as the dictionary

[split grail]

it's called the contents tab

[split grail]

ale li pona

o lape suwi

[upbeat summit]

yes buuuut this

[split grail]

abababa

idk

why so many templates when list do the trick

[upbeat summit]

because the Main article: Dictionary of luka pona template is a bit inconvenient to reach,,

[split grail]

ababababa

🔥 🔥 🔥 it's fineee 🔥 🔥 🔥

[upbeat summit]

not for me

mi tawa ala e luka telo

o pana

[split grail]

mi o pana

[upbeat summit]

sina o pana

[split grail]

mi pilin lapee,,

[upbeat summit]

i'm Wikimedia Uncommon

[split grail]

dghfhfd

[[c:File:Toki_Pona_Luka_-luka_tawa(alt).png]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Toki_Pona_Luka_-_luka_tawa_(alt).png

[upbeat summit]

shouldn't that be telo (alt)

[split grail]

huh

maybe

I am an idiot

aa

[rugged torrent]

hi juwan. tepo is upset because luka pona is kinda like viossa in that you can be spoiled by looking at this wiki page. the best way to learn (as tepo did) is to go through the blog posts in toki pona taso and not get spoiled by seeing the grammar summarized in english. by not havibg the resources at the top of the page, you may inevitably make it so that some people who would have learned it via toki pona taso can no longer do it. learning via tpt is such a triumph. so far lp is the only language you can learn using toki pona taso. ive seen 'spoiler' warnings on fandom wikis before. is it possible that something similar can be implemented here

ofc theres absolutely nothing wrong with people learning through english. for example, it makes it more accessible to Deaf people. but preserving the option would be wonderful if its feasible

[upbeat summit]

We could add a notice that speakers encourage learning it through the TPT lessons or similar

[rugged torrent]

that would be amazing. i could help draft that notice

[upbeat summit]

You can just put{{Notice|text here}}on the article

[outer stirrup]

nasin ni li lon ala lonilo mediawiki: lipu li ante la ona li toki e ante tawa mi kepeken ilo email

pilin ike wan mi li ni: jan li ante e lipu la mi sona ala lon tenpo suli, tan ni: mi wile ala lukin e ilo lipu lon tenpo ale

[grand marten]

nasin [RSS] li pona seme tawa sina

[outer stirrup]

mi kepeken ala ilo lukin pi nasin ni ...

[grand marten]

o awen lili

[hot trout]

https://www.blogtrottr.com/

[outer stirrup]

mi wile ala kepeken ilo sin, ilo seme li ken pana e sona tawa poki mi pi ilo email

a..jan ke tami li pana e ilo ni a. pona

[grand marten]

a · ilo [MediaWiki] li ken toki e ante pi lipu toki sina taso

[grand marten]

nanpa tu la mi wile toki e ilo sama ni

[outer stirrup]

pona mute

[outer stirrup]

lon a...mi alasa e nasin la mi kama sona e ni a

[grand marten]

a mi toki insa e ijo poka lon tenpo poka
· lawa sin → mi ma [Wikipedia] ala li ken sama ala ona ·
lon la mi nasin ona ale ala

• nimi lili [Pronouns] li lon poka pi nimi suli li lon ala poki lili
• sitelen pi ken ale ala li ken lon
  taso mi o ante wawa lon ni → ante li pona
• nimi tawa pi ma ante o ken lon anpa taso ala
• lipu o pona tawa jan pi kama sona toki o len anu seme e sona nasa · (ken wan la · wile mi la · lipu [Learning resources] o toki e lipu pona taso · lipu ante o lon lipu [Learning resources/All])

(ken la selo li sama ma [Wikipedia] la jan li wile sama e nasin kin la mi o ante e selo anu seme)

[outer stirrup]

mi la mi wile ala toki e ni li lon lawa tan ni: mi ken sona e ni tan ijo ante li wile ala sona tan toki lawa

taso, ni li lon la, ale ala li ken sona la, o lipu e ni, a a

aaa ante selo li ken pona...taso n seme selo li kama e wile ni? ken la ilo mediawiki a li ni, la ante kule li pona ala

[grand marten]

ante wawa la selo mute li lon · taso mute la ona li majuna pi ken ike

ante lili la [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css

[outer stirrup]

mi la, lipu pi toki losupan li nasin pona. ona li lukin ala sama lipu wikipedia

[grand marten]

li sama ona pi tenpo pini

[outer stirrup]

lon, selo sama. taso nasin toki lipu li kama ala sama

[grand marten]

a ni

ona li open lon tenpo weka la ona li sama wiki nanpa wan https://wiki.c2.com/

taso n · jan mute li toki kepeken lipu pi [Talk:] ala la ni li nasa pi ike lili tawa mi

[outer stirrup]

ken la ni taso: kulupu menasewi en jan juwan li pali mute lon lipu wikipedia li kama e nasin sama lon lipu ante

[outer stirrup]

a a musi mute

[grand marten]

Long Ah

[upbeat summit]

nasin sama seme

[grand marten]

nasin pi ma [Wikipedia]

[upbeat summit]

😵‍💫** **

mi sona.pona.ala

[grand marten]

sina [Wikipedia] e [s.p.l]

[upbeat summit]

tan seme

seme Wikipedia li lon ala

[grand marten]

seme [Wikipedia] o lon ala anu seme

[upbeat summit]

seme li lon ala li o lon

[outer stirrup]

"part of a series on"

nnnnnn mi wile ala sama ale sama lipu Wikipedia la ni li nimi nasa

[split grail]

(just saw this now) ahh with this context it makes more sense,, I see

tricky

[split grail]

ken

mi pali suli ala lon lipu ni. taso mi sona e nasin ona

[split grail]

nimi taso li nasa

[grand marten]

"Part of a poki on"

[outer stirrup]

lon

[split grail]

wile mi la · lipu [Learning resources] o toki e lipu pona taso · lipu ante o lon lipu [Learning resources/All]
mi wile ala e ni tan ni:

• lipu mute li ken pona li ken pana e sona pona
• mi poki e lipu lon [.../All] la ni li nasa tawa alasa. lipu MediaWiki li pana ala e ona tawa ilo alasa anu seme

(ken la selo li sama ma [Wikipedia] la jan li wile sama e nasin kin la mi o ante e selo anu seme)
selo li ponaa

selo ante li nasa ike tawa lukin. ona li sama lukin ilo pi tenpo pini mute a

[split grail]

aa

mi la poki sama ni li nasa ala
taso lipu wan taso li lon

so then

for the [luka pona] article, I'll do this

change Learning resources > Learning
and explain the rationale you all gave me
plus alongside knowing video resources and all that
adding that ma pona has lessons

,,,,occasionally

if not lessons, like

calls in general

[outer stirrup]

@rugged torrent

[rugged torrent]

seme, jan tepo o?

[split grail]

I'm not a big fan of spoiler tags in general so the rest of the article will still be there as is

[grand marten]

mute la lon · taso ale ala · mi selo [Timeless] e ma pi kulupu [Wikimedia] li pilin pona tan lukin

[split grail]

o pana e lukin

[grand marten]

https://i.imgur.com/0eUDx0m.png

[outer stirrup]

suli la jan juwan li toki e nasin ken la sina ken wile toki e pilin

[rugged torrent]

mi ken ala wile pilin lon tenpo ni tan pali ante taso mi kama ken la mi ni.

[split grail]

aa

nasa ike

[outer stirrup]

o pali ponaaaaaaaaaa

[split grail]

mi pana e ona la o toki sin

mu

???

(ni li pini ala)

[upbeat summit]

learners are encouraged to learn luka pona using their knowledge of luka pona

😵‍💫** **

[split grail]

sHut up

you KNOW what I'm trying to get at

ok I gave up part way thru sorry

posting it pini ala

for this section, it would be cute to have an image of like

many speakers signing in video call

also what's that tag with how to teach luka pona

just so others don't make the same error as me

(so sorry ale sa, I was trying to be nice but I fucked up )

[upbeat summit]

not really no

[split grail]

fcking

if you learn a bit of luka pona

you built up from it

instead of learning only in another lang

like Viossa, you know some Viossa you explain yourself in Viossa

[zinc hazel]

yes

[split grail]

whyy are all files that aren't images not being displayed correctly

[split grail]

finally got it to work

[split grail]

sona musi
#sona-kulupu-tpt message

do not the akesi
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ne_krokodilu.jpg

@upbeat summit IMPORTNAT for history of sitelen pona
#toki-ale message

found it by looking for where the glyph for kokosila originated

[upbeat summit]

whoa

Although

this is well after the start of r/OffThePu

but just before jan Sa and nimi Elemenopi's latest charts listed on [[History of sitelen pona#2021]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/History_of_sitelen_pona#2021

[split grail]

yeah

so then

also where the FUCK did toki-slash kokosila come from

[zinc hazel]

msa

m w s

[vague aspen]

i think it’s a modification of akesi kokosila

[split grail]

who coined the glyph tho

[upbeat summit]

casually spends two hours su·ing the wiki

I didn't expect this to happen to suun

[upbeat summit]

Ah

#toki-ale message

@mighty seal For organizational purposes on the wiki, do you have a name for the storybook series (even a provisional one)

i guess i can go with lipu su for now, su being the word article

[mighty seal]

i'm going with :

su: interacting with a book from the illustrated story book series that began with The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, produced by Sonja Lang

the name of the book series that includes pu ku su is "Official Toki Pona" on amazon

[upbeat summit]

So no English name for just the storybooks?

[mighty seal]

i guess not

tokipona.org calls su: an illustrated story book in glyphs

[grand marten]

ni la su nanpa tu li kama li kepeken sitelen sinpin ante la sitelen nimi li seme

ken la ona li sama sewi sina li sama mute sina li ken ante lon toki pi lipu ante

[upbeat summit]

sitelen su sin:

[grand marten]

mi kama sona e nasin weka pi kon ni → ilo li lon sewi li lon linja pi ona taso li pana ala e toki la kon ni li kama

[split grail]

HOLY FUCK SONJAAAA

I WAS ASLEEEP

I JUST WOKE UP DKDVDKHDFKDH

aa

su time

[upbeat summit]

[[lipu su]] a

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/lipu_su

[upbeat summit]

today in the Fucking Bizarre Edge Cases of Wikitext: {{citation needed}} starts fucking up line breaks, i change the outer <div /> to a <span /> and everything goes hunky dory (including the previous issues with line spacing)

I can't even tell if the line break thing is a new issue or not

Other templates have been similarly breaking for some reason

[split grail]

let's goo

[upbeat summit]

but it seems like putting the div in there somehow made the clearly delienated paragraph get interpreted as raw text instead of a paragraph <p />

[split grail]

oh there's multiple of them

this is so hype

aa

we should have the

[[w:Template:anchor]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:anchor

[split grail]

^^

is there really no official name for the lipu su

22 euro,,,.,

oh the glyph for su is right there

[upbeat summit]

Read just above

It's su but like

we need that one for the word

[vague aspen]

can i create an article for myself?

i mean like an actual article not a user page

[split grail]

sure

about what

[vague aspen]

about myself

[split grail]

a

maybe not

[vague aspen]

:(

[upbeat summit]

sina seme lon toki pona

[vague aspen]

mi kije

[split grail]

so true

[vague aspen]

font designer, resource translator, historical usage reconstructor

[upbeat summit]

like if there is enough notable there for an article without stretching it

then sure

Just keep in mind

[[Wikipedia:Project:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Wikipedia:Project:An_article_about_yourself_isn't_necessarily_a_good_thing

[split grail]

ordering the book rn ,.,,,,

[grand marten]

ni li ma [Wikipedia] ala · mi toki ala e ale · jan mute la mi toki ala e nimi pi lipu lawa · kin kijetesantakalu [Enki] li pakala suli ala anu seme

[split grail]

[grand marten]

mi la mi lipu ala e mi tan ni → mi wile ala sewi e mi

[upbeat summit]

yeah but the general principle. the broad strokes. the kon suli

[grand marten]

poki pi selo kili kiwen la kon suli li ni → "lipu li toki e sina la ni li ken ike" · ike seme

kijetesantakalu [Enki] li kama e ike suli la lipu li lon ala la ona li kama la ala li ante · ike li lili la ona o lon ala lipu anu seme

ike ken li lon la o toki e ona

[split grail]

we really should make a policy on how to handle pages on people

(see reactions from Olipija, Lakuse)

oh let me also update Wikipedia maybe too

[grand marten]

a e ni

[split grail]

so basically

younger and stupider Juwan (like 3 months ago or smth)

after Kekan said that it was weird that there was so little pages on people

made new pages, but they were not very good

so after that Lakuse and Olipija said 'pls don't make pages on us'

(very simplified)

this was all my error, and so. how do we avoid this

especially cuz wow, do we want to make pages on all these

@upbeat summit btwww can we have a like, {{cite pu}} for different translated editions 🥺

I should maybe also upload the notes to lipu su on Commons

@mighty seal o ken seme o lon

actually in general, what parts of su are like free to publish

[mighty seal]

they are only intended for the unicode team

[split grail]

aahh

[mighty seal]

in case su was not finished in time for the application

[split grail]

yeah

[split grail]

mu

[mighty seal]

general guidelines for fair use apply, let me find

[split grail]

Commons doesn't accept fair use

[mighty seal]

"Fair use allows limited use of copyrighted material without permission for purposes such as criticism, parody, news reporting, research and scholarship, and teaching. "

hmm

we can figure something out

[split grail]

this only works for, Wikipedia

sona pona is under Miraheze, which follow British law

[mighty seal]

they must have something equivalent? is it called fair dealing in UK?

[upbeat summit]

Not anymore! They just transferred to the US under WikiTide Foundation, Inc.

[split grail]

yeah

o

yappie

[upbeat summit]

https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/WikiTide_Foundation

[split grail]

very cool

[golden rock]

@split grail General template suggestion: move sonja, pu, ku, and su into "Official Toki Pona" row

[split grail]

wha

oo

that is @upbeat summit's business

hope that they are not eepy and I'm disturbing them

also they books are in Wikidata now
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q124422915
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q124422986

[vague aspen]

i think i broke something

[split grail]

as well as a category in Commons
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lipu_su

oh god what now

[vague aspen]

random code blocks appearing where they shouldn’t

[split grail]

for what

[vague aspen]

[[loje]]
[[ime]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/loje

[split grail]

it doesn't have nay code blocks
it just doesn't look very nice

[vague aspen]

it has for me

[split grail]

clear your cache

[vague aspen]

okie

[split grail]

also I am reverting the color box thingies

[vague aspen]

it fixed itself

though i have a screenshot where it didn’t

[vague aspen]

why

[split grail]

I don't think that it makes much sense to include bc

1. big and uggy and distracting
2. may be weird with some dark mode add ons
3. the point is to just show that it can be many colour names
4. the image on the side already does what the colour boxes do

[vague aspen]

1. subjective
2. wikipedia’s dark mode also gets broken with dark mode, but no one fixes it
3. okay, maybe you have a point here
4. not exactly, i.e., it doesn’t have fuchsia, orange etc.

[split grail]

gjsdlkfjsd

let's add more colours to the image

[vague aspen]

im outside now so i can’t load into inkscape rn

[split grail]

a

imagine touching grass

can't be me

[vague aspen]

can’t be me too

i hate this outside

[split grail]

conk crete

oh that

[vague aspen]

i wish i was at the ‘puter making ‘em ‘vg’s

[split grail]

fkjsdlfjs

[vague aspen]

no

[split grail]

yes,.

[vague aspen]

plus the nine grid isn’t good for that

[split grail]

12x12 grid

36x36 grid

100x100

spectrum..

you can like, get the gist by look at it

yknow

[vague aspen]

what do you think

@split grail

[split grail]

looks

oh my dumb ass thought the image was loading

njhgfjkg

it does like

REALLY deemphasise the red

so much that it looks like it's two colors

pink and orange

not a spectrum

[vague aspen]

what about this

[split grail]

maybe

can u also bring some of the browns

[vague aspen]

what now

[split grail]

wawa

the gradient itself feels a bit weird but it works

also this Emanuelle Richard helped with su?? :o

[mighty seal]

ona ala

[split grail]

dang

ona seme

[mighty seal]

https://www.facebook.com/emmrichard

[split grail]

mi lon ilo Pepu ala

[mighty seal]

she helped with formatting the cover

[split grail]

pakala

aaa

sona

the cover is also very cool bc vertical cartouche!!

[split grail]

oh there's also, where did Lepeka get the images for the proposal

ni a

[mighty seal]

amazon shows a sample pages when you click look inside

[split grail]

aa

← dummy

ohh it's because I was on Spanish Amazon

mu

jan T

[mighty seal]

it uses a nasin where a name is abbreviated after it is spelled in full the first time per chapter

[split grail]

that is cutee

[real latch]

i like how toto's name is written as toki olin twice

[split grail]

toki olin: the language of loving your dogs 🩷

su

[golden rock]

or the way you speak with your partner

[split grail]

what if

your partner is a doggirl/dogboy/doggie

[golden rock]

true

[golden rock]

pipi pu pu, mi ku, o su
every book is destined to have a memey name

[split grail]

important

[real latch]

mi ku. o su

[golden rock]

love it

[split grail]

[[o su]]
[[mi ku]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/o_su

[split grail]

fucking

[golden rock]

congrats

[split grail]

ignore that ssk hasn't updated yet

[golden rock]

also while su is still fresh

whip out your su( )li puns

[grand marten]

kipisi ku pu su

ilo Kipisi 🚽 en ilo Kupusu 📷

[split grail]

jglsdkfsd

ilo Kupusu li semeee a

also not to seem pushy (sorry) but
🥺 th;;e;;;,, vis;aul aid,s,, 👉👈

skibidi real

[grand marten]

mi son a

taso mi sona ala kama e mi pali

[split grail]

coming to Poland rn to pali e sina

[grand marten]

o pali e mi la mi tu li lon li ken pali ala tu

[split grail]

jhgjfhkj

[upbeat summit]

jan't

[upbeat summit]

What will the rest be

We have name spoilers for those

😈

+😈

[split grail]

@upbeat summit sona suli

you should maybe join the Linku server btw

[grand marten]

nasa la ilo li ante ala e lukin pi nimi nasin lon lipu pi toki ante

[upbeat summit]

[[Toki Pona is not trying to replace other languages]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Toki_Pona_is_not_trying_to_replace_other_languages

[upbeat summit]

We are going to have a translation of the main page into every language

and then like half a non-English article

tops

[split grail]

literaaly

translating articles makes it so hard to edit them again

[rugged torrent]

pretty sure we said to not make pages on us

[split grail]

that yes

I sometimes leave out words on accident

it happens, sorry

[upbeat summit]

I think we should try to mostly limit translations to lipu ponæ

for that reason

[grand marten]

seme · mi ken ante · sina su²⁰²³ ken

[split grail]

noo

like

I find all the translation info annoying to then edit an article

[grand marten]

la ni li suli ala e pali li pipo²⁰¹⁷ taso e ona

poki <ref>{{cite web|author={{tok|[[mu#mumu|mumu]]}}|...}}</ref> li suli ala suli e pali

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mu#mumu|mumu

[split grail]

mumu

also 🥺

images are so tricky

to find

[upbeat summit]

I'm porting a lot of redirects over from the note names in ... usefulquotes

[split grail]

woo

[upbeat summit]

If any of the shortcut templates seem excessive or useless feel free to remove them

Ideally the ones that are on there should be like Wikipedia project page shortcuts

[split grail]

I also saw that jan Oto mentioned the new things in su

are they included in any way in the book or like

did Sonja just send his that pdf

do we have like

SO:RQ as in Wikimedia projects

[upbeat summit]

i just figure people would rather type [[rq]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/rq

[mighty seal]

i sent him some trivia about su and he selected some to include in the video

[split grail]

ahhh

makes sense

fun su facts

[mighty seal]

there are 3 majunas in su... find them all

[split grail]

oh god

don't tempt me,.

I actually have not found where are the typos in ku

[split grail]

🎤 so Sonja, what is your comment on this /j

why is there no good microphone emoji when you want to try to be a silly journalist

[mighty seal]

i really hope there are no typos in su but if there are people will find them

[split grail]

dang

[hot trout]

foundation and decade

[split grail]

<3

[hot trout]

noka toma and tenpo suke luka luka

[split grail]

mi ku rn

p. 68, 91

[upbeat summit]

We're overdue for TP spellcheck

well, i guess there's [[telo misikeke]], but it doesn't seem like the kind of thing you can just run across a PDF,

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/telo_misikeke

[upbeat summit]

How does one implement that, i wonder

Will the magic numbertool people just make it happen at some point if Unicode happens

[split grail]

literally

what is this 'magic' do you mean strangestrenght

@upbeat summit o [[w:Template:anchor]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:anchor

[upbeat summit]

⚓

here you go

[split grail]

sobbing

[split grail]

can we not have the little {{nasin book}} thingies

my thought when you suggested it was like, this is for when you want to emphasise, that this only showed up in this book

but when it's applied to anything that related remotely to the book, it isn't great, especially bc there's the issue that it being tossed around by images and other templates which doesn't help

[upbeat summit]

;w;

It's just supposed to be a physical indicator of the category

so people don't just add the category raw

[split grail]

raw dog it

[upbeat summit]

so it's easier to manage

[split grail]

fuck it raw do it

[upbeat summit]

good lourd

[split grail]

destroy the article

[upbeat summit]

i will not !!

i worked hard on that article

[split grail]

like it being in meli Sonko seems ok

but in namako, not so much

[upbeat summit]

touché

do you think it also shouldn't be categorized as su

because you could convince me

[split grail]

hm

like

the categorisation is something else

because going to the Category:su

having it show namako would be helpful

it's just that I don't like when there's so many templates

templates for the sake of templates

you can just say 'in ku, this happened'!!

'in su, Sonja wrote this'!!

[split grail]

SPEAKING of namako

we need an image for sin

bc

[[sin]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sin

[split grail]

this is silly

[upbeat summit]

sinly