sona.pona.la

[split grail]

mi pana e nanpa sona tan waso Keli tawa lipu
[[User:SnpoSuwan/YAGPDB link]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:SnpoSuwan%2FYAGPDB_link

[split grail]

jan li wile kama e ni tawa ma suli lipu la o ni

[grand marten]

o lukin e insa pi lipu mi [[User:.hecko]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:.hecko

[grand marten]

sina wile e sona ale pi ilo ni la https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:DynamicPageList

[upbeat summit]

a mi ni kepeken nasin ante

{{#dpl:namespace=user|titlematch=Menasewi/%|format=<ul style="column-count:3;">,[[%PAGE%|<li>²{#explode:%TITLE%¦/¦1}²</li>]],,</ul>}}

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/%25PAGE%25|<li>²{#explode:%25TITLE%25¦%2F¦1}²<%2Fli>

[upbeat summit]

oh

[vague aspen]

which template do i use for unresolved issues on talk pages

[upbeat summit]

{{Talk}}

[vague aspen]

ok

[upbeat summit]

is it "Talk" as in lipu toki?
or "Talk" as in o toki?
nyehehe

[grand marten]

ken la ni o lon lipu sin ale · https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NamespacePreload · (taso mi sona ala e ni → ni li ken ala ken lon nasin sin pi lipu toki)

[upbeat summit]

—kin o sin e lipu wile sina :3

[grand marten]

lon a

[upbeat summit]

pon a

"the idea of a native tokiponist culture" is under [[Worldbuilding]] also

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Worldbuilding

[grand marten]

æ

[noble gulch]

[[Gatherings]]
[[Where_is_Toki_Pona_used?#Conventions_and_gatherings]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Gatherings

[noble gulch]

This includes a list of university courses.

[upbeat summit]

Discord with the embeds so nice, they have to be embedded thrice

[golden rock]

lkgfsdkj

true

[grand marten]

pipelen li san tan peme,,

[noble gulch]

mi la ona li wan taso...

seme la sina lukin e ona mute?

[upbeat summit]

nasin ni li seme a

[noble gulch]

nasa lon ilo Siko.

[grand marten]

nasin p

[grand marten]

nasa lon ilo [Miraheze]

[upbeat summit]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caramel

ni li san kin

li tan ala ilo How Do I Tokiponize Miraheze

[golden rock]

this video pronounces it as /mɪɹəhɪjz/

id go with Miwawi

someone add a [[Phatics]] redirect pls :p

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Phatics

[golden rock]

consider adding something about "I see." to the phatics page

[grand marten]

a!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toby_Fox

ni li tu!

semea !

[upbeat summit]

Tobies Foxes

[vague aspen]

ukrainian miraheze homepage says it’s /miraxeze/

and that’s funny if you know russian/ukrainian

[grand marten]

mi la kese

[upbeat summit]

you know what kese

[grand marten]

mi la kon Kaka

[noble gulch]

mi ni. ona tu li kama wan lon [[Sentence structure]].

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Sentence_structure

[split grail]

@noble gulch o a note that I'm trying to move this page into smaller ones see [[Usages]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Usages

[noble gulch]

ok cool. I just wanted to add the link to the UGeneva course right quick and wasn't sure of where the best place to put it would be.

[split grail]

aah yeah

there's so much that I have to do,.

[noble gulch]

I suppose this would be [[Gatherings]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Gatherings

[split grail]

maybe I should work on the [[Learning resources]] article

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Learning_resources

[split grail]

because this is an uni course right?

[noble gulch]

It was a course that was taught at a uni as part of a degree in teaching French as a foreign language. It's an exploration of how Toki Pona can be used to augment the teaching of a foreign language.

[split grail]

(btw I'm calling on people to help edit [[Native speakers]] because it's really one-sided and lacing in nuance rn, see Kekan's posts on the talk page)

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Native_speakers

[split grail]

ahhh

[noble gulch]

It's not a course in Toki Pona per se it doesn't seem.

L'idée est de pouvoir se replonger en situation d'apprenant-débutant afin de considérer la mise en place de stratégies permettant d'appréhender une nouvelle langue et d'en optimiser sa progression, tout en renforçant les compétences de la L2.

The idea is to be able to return to a situation of a learner-beginner, in order to consider how to put in place strategies to learn a new language and optimize progress in it, all while reinforcing competence in the second language.

[split grail]

There is some debate
i just noticed this understatament

[noble gulch]

That's a fast and dirty translation -- soz to all the real francophones in the chat.

[split grail]

jfksdlfjsd

I see

I don't know exactly where to categorise that

[noble gulch]

Yeah me neither. As far as I can tell it's "Toki Pona being taught and used in a university setting."

Which is not exactly the same as "Toki Pona being taught for its own sake."

But is still worth including somewhere.

[noble gulch]

lolol.

This is quite the take isn't it.

How's that project going? Has anyone else tried it?

[split grail]

gjsldkfjsdf

which project

[noble gulch]

I know Esperanto has been relatively successful in the "native speakers" thing, but what a "native speaker" even means in this context isn't clear.

Raising a kid to speak Toki Pona.

[hot trout]

https://xkcd.com/583/

xkcd: CNR

Can't and shouldn't.

[split grail]

I created this page for two things

1. talking about Erik Sealander's claims about his kids speaking toki pona, and
2. talking about the hypothetical and fictional idea of raising toki pona speakers, possibly as their only language

I don't know if I worded (2) well

see [[Worldbuilding]] too, maybe I'll link to it

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Worldbuilding

[noble gulch]

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/laborenpodkasto

For esperantists here's a super fascinating podcast about the whole thing: Stela is a native Esperanto speaker and has remained active in the community.

[split grail]

yeah

I think I heard of Stela, hold on

her!!!!!!!

can't believe she's an adjective

[noble gulch]

"denaskulo" is the Esperanto term.

Yup that's her.

[noble gulch]

Literally: "from-birth-person."

[split grail]

oo

[noble gulch]

Oh that's a very good point: is the "jan lili pi toki pona" phenomenon an attempt to build a "ma pona"?

I think the answer is no: you could imagine raising kids with Toki Pona as a home language for reasons other than a desire to build a Toki Pona nation, and moreover many attempts at worldbuilding are purely fictional or hypothetical.

[split grail]

the learning resources page is a fucking goldmine for historical resources

terrible for learning toki pona, awesome for us amateur language historians

many

[noble gulch]

Yup

[noble gulch]

Hey I consider my amateur historiography to be learning Toki Pona.

[split grail]

gjsdklfsd

[split grail]

what is this response, what does it mean

[noble gulch]

Does it persist after a refresh?

"Job failed" suggests to me that some process on the server that was meant to generate the content fell over.

[split grail]

https://web.archive.org/web/20190704112247/https://github.com/stefichjo/toki-pona/blob/master/nasin-sitelen.md

looksies at this

https://github.com/increpare/toki-poki-punctuation-inferred-from-pu/blob/master/README.md

this won't be on the learning resources page because,. they aren't learning resources, but it's cool seeing punctuation here

[rugged torrent]

wait that is just a url right?

its leading me to a 404

[rugged torrent]

ni

[split grail]

a

yeah

one secccc

[rugged torrent]

inkepa pulled all their resoources

[split grail]

huh.

uploaded [[Learning resources]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Learning_resources

[split grail]

as I'm starting to move things from 'where is toki pona used?'

[vague aspen]

they also took down linja pi kute mute

[upbeat summit]

(what the fuck i've never seen this one before)

[outer stirrup]

i am too eepy !

deleting it I think is the best idea.
ni li pilin mi 👍 (ken suli la sina pakala li wile sitelen e nimi 'ala' lon ni)

i know the page says don't assume this information to be correct but this is exactly like how saying "don't think about purple elephants" makes you think about them

[rugged torrent]

re: gatherings theres a nother in person course at this high school 'learn a language in two weeks' https://www.scgssm.org/academic-programs/residential-high-school/special-academic-opportunities/interim

[split grail]

the page is in progress, the 'do not assume this to be true' is a temporary thing, please just wait a bit until I write the article, I'm getting to it..

[split grail]

WE HAVE A VIEWER FOR REFERENCES???? LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO

abababababa

it's a bit fucked up but

[upbeat summit]

WHA

The Fandom killer,,,,

[upbeat summit]

That is odd

[split grail]

I'm asking Miraheze for support

[split grail]

the what now

[grand marten]

mi pana taso e ilo https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Popups (li ante e ni → ilo li lon sijelo ale li wile ala e wile pi jan ona)

ilo pona mute li lon li pana ala · mi o lukin wawa e lipu

[split grail]

jorjor..........

[upbeat summit]

wel wel wel

[upbeat summit]

sina tawa jan ale e ona kepeken seme

[upbeat summit]

lon lipu seme a

a

namako

[split grail]

found this person who makes covers in toki pona
they also have some songs in Lojban, so cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gb2ET99M3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PH4EBottI

jan Kita o mi o losupan ala losu pan

[grand marten]

sina wile kama sona toki [.lojban.] anu seme

[split grail]

wile lon ken

[vague aspen]

yay

[grand marten]

100 la 90 li toki e lili mije pi jan [Kekan San]

[grand marten]

nnnn ni su wile https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategorySortHeaders

la ni li ken

[split grail]

lipu lipu sjfdlksjdf

[vague aspen]

hehehe

[outer stirrup]

ona li ken ala ike anu seme

ante la o lon e nasin wgPageLanguageUseDB (jan lawa ilo li toki e ni: jan lawa pi ma lipu li ken la ona li wile ala pali ilo)

[grand marten]

taso ona li lon

ijo wawa ante (pi ma [s.p.l]) li lon e ona anu seme

[outer stirrup]

a a a a a a a a a a

la pona ? 👍

[split grail]

jan Kita li penpo e jan anu seme

Kiri en soko Tulinja li toki e nimi 'penpo'. taso ona li toki ala e ilo pi toki pona taso li kepeken nimi lon musi taso

WHO FUCKING DID LANGUAGE: 'ENGLISH (CANADA)'

<3 <3 <3 so silly

[split grail]

aa

I will finally go and edit the article

[upbeat summit]

Can i contest a [citation needed] tag

[[ni#sitelen pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/ni#sitelen_pona

[upbeat summit]

When used as a modifier in a stacked glyph, it points at the head word underneath.

it just.

does

graphically

it's a bit unclear if that's the reason it points down but like

i don't think the sentence is framed as speculation on that

and if it is, it can probably just be reworded,

[split grail]

I don't know who put that there, that is just a bit funny to ask for a citation

[split grail]

(this is the moment I realised that I don't know how to write and am actually a cute fraud)

[split grail]

[[Native speakers]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Native_speakers

[split grail]

there is of course, way more to be done

[noble gulch]

I think this is fair; maybe the [citation needed] should be moved to the next sentence:

The glyph for ni may be turned to point in other directions, toward the words it is referencing.

[split grail]

if you want examples of that, take lipamanka's stories

[noble gulch]

Woah this is wild. I hadn't kept up with all the discourse about it in recent times.

[split grail]

all the Discourse™

[noble gulch]

Yeah lipamanka uses directional ni extensively.

Ok I've found a good example from lipamanka, but how to make it show up right? Is there a way to get diagonal ni?

[noble gulch]

Like that.

Sorry, double shot.

[split grail]

fjsdlfksjd

[split grail]

wait

you can use ideographic spaces anyway to help

this is how you do it in ssk ^

[noble gulch]

Doesn't seem to work on s.p.l

Is there some other wizardry I'm missing?

[split grail]

OH

right

sorry

one little detail I forgot to mention

everything is broken :>

[split grail]

to be more specific, this functionality only came out the newest version of ssk, while we are still stuck with the old one because of problems with Miraheze's servers

[noble gulch]

Ah

[split grail]

let me seee if I can try again

[noble gulch]

You've gone way over my head here: I essentially never use SP in the computer, so all this is something I've no experience with really 😅

[split grail]

sjflksjf

I just didn't explain it clearly

we can use ssk because it's in our files and the one there is outdated

when I try to upload a new version, it gives me this error

[split grail]

Inwpuld be unstoppable if I actually knew stuff

snd wasn't so eepy

at those who are eepy, if you think an article is bad snd needs attention just spam ping me

or but your comments in the talk page + the {{Talk}} template

[split grail]

images !!!

I really want to see the images in the templates show up 🥺

ignore.my ugly ass nails

[grand marten]

nnnnnasa

kin tenpo lon la ilo o lukin e open lipu taso · taso sitelen pi lipu [Combined glyphs] li lon anpa

n

[upbeat summit]

…i have something new for [[Project:Guide#Italics]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Project:Guide#Italics

[upbeat summit]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/cite

Why would it be named that!?

It's gonna be really confusing!

but yeah

[split grail]

may I know why <cite> is there

[split grail]

why just not normal italics

who does this even

it is just a bit silly to me

[upbeat summit]

not semantic

[split grail]

protesting protesting

also because I haven't seen anyone use that tag, like ever

[upbeat summit]

how would you know whether you've seen it before … … … …

[grand marten]

https://www.advancedwebranking.com/seo/html-study
https://framerusercontent.com/images/6THtF0tUrYhEwH2bY8T5wRBWsYc.png

mi wile e nanpa ni → lipu pi mute seme li kepeken · taso mi sona ala alasa e ona

a ni pi tenpo weka li lon · https://maqentaer.github.io/devopera-static-backup/http/dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama-phrase-block-list/index.html#phrase

laaa mute · lipu 3 500 000 la lipu 12 562 li kepeken · (lipu 7 767 li kepeken <s/> pi olin mi)

[upbeat summit]

wtf is <data />

does that just go around everything

[grand marten]

ona li toki e nanpa tawa ilo

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/data

nasa

[upbeat summit]

ale lon nasin Esijemejo li toki e nanpa tawa ilo

[grand marten]

taso ni li toki pona tawa ilo

[upbeat summit]

a

[grand marten]

e ijo a

[upbeat summit]

<data>toki, ilo o. sina suwi a</data>

[upbeat summit]

The almost eight-fold preference of SUP over the comparable SUB element is puzzling.

is it,,,,

otoh exponents are pretty well-known and superscript is also often used for footnote markers<sup>[citation needed]</sup> and stuff

while H<sub>2</sub>O is just read out as though inline, as "(h)aitch two o", and its uses in math are far more technical

s, mh.

superscript is also used for ordinal markers…

and supscript just stands out further because it's further from the baseline so it's more likely to be chosen and used creatively

they'll be looking for the alleged puzzle here

i need to make a Neocities with <marquee />

it's very nostalgic that all the element names are printed in all caps

i need to use <MARQUEE><BLINK>X3</BLINK></MARQUEE>

[grand marten]

{{pu}} li pana e lipu lon poki pu la ni li pona seme

[split grail]

take that

[upbeat summit]

i wanted it to only be used for articles that are pu
iirc it looks like that was less than clear

*or that touch on how pu presents things

that sort of deal

i uh

[[:Category:pu]] has a description right

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/:Category:pu

[upbeat summit]

thank you past me

[grand marten]

mi kepeken tan ni → [[Toki Pona: The Language of Good|pu]] li suli

[upbeat summit]

that should be a template

[grand marten]

lipu li toki e pu la ona li pu Interacting

[upbeat summit]

honestly non-linked {{pu|en}} should also be a template

taso nasin ante seme li pona

[grand marten]

mi la jan li wile pana e lipu lon poki pu la ona o,, pana e lipu lon poki pu

[upbeat summit]

taso jan li will not ni

li will not remember to, li will not know it's a thing in the first place

ni ale la, awawa.

I wonder if a notice template would, like, work for this

I have reservations about its applicability

Would be likely to be used mid-section and in multiple places per article and take up unnecessary space

Might have to take a survey of the articles to see what would work

also perhaps there should be a "don't use this on nimi pu word articles unless there's been a notable semantic or style change" rule, since [[:Category:nimi pu]] should be a subcategory

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/:Category:nimi_pu

[upbeat summit]

and is. good

[upbeat summit]

and, of course, {{ku}} la sama

Current pu/ku category contents are archived to the Wayback Machine, so we can check those for any articles that deserve that categorization

My thoughts are

weka those categories from the existing templates

add linkless templates that just paste in the book name (wrapped in fancy <cite /> tag of course)

what would be a good name for those templates?

and add new actually categorizey templates like {{nasin pu/ku}} that uh. use a small notice or something,

unless anyone can come up with a better idea

[upbeat summit]

braign blast

you know the {{lipu pona}} icon

that's compact, right

but you can still get all the information out of hovering it

following the link

We could have tiny SP pu/ku icons like that, except within the article body, floated, but the same general concept

[split grail]

you can?????

liar,.

[upbeat summit]

what more information is there to get

[split grail]

oh is that it

what's the difference between icons and

also I'm still fighting you on not adding <cite> tags

[upbeat summit]

they would be for not for nimi

like styles and stuff

this section is specific to pu/ku style

or whatever

like coverage of pu's akesi li suwi ala nonsense

[split grail]

aaa

[upbeat summit]

as opposed to "everything pu says about the word"

"here is the section for data from it presented without commentary"

[grand marten]

{{pu}},

[split grail]

I hate the rollback function..

sitelen pona?

[noble gulch]

Is there a list of all categories?

[split grail]

there's the special page 'search by prefix'

[upbeat summit]

[[Special:Categories]] includes uncreated categories

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:Categories

[upbeat summit]

So does [[Special:MostLinkedCategories]] apparently

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:MostLinkedCategories

[upbeat summit]

what are you reverting awa

[split grail]

article idea,..... (silly)
[[Emoticons with sitelen pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Emoticons_with_sitelen_pona

[split grail]

bc nasin ike

[upbeat summit]

nasin ike seme

If it's the <cite /> tag thing i thought @grand marten was on board with that

fight fight fight

[grand marten]

mi toki e wile ala e nanpa taso

sina wile ante wawa pi ante lukin ala e ale la o ni

[split grail]

if you want to change strongly of not change to the look then do that

[upbeat summit]

mi ken ala tan owe Juwan

awawa

[split grail]

owe Juwan

literally 451°F

[grand marten]

a mi su owe e sina

[split grail]

su

[upbeat summit]

@split grail what did you rollback mu for

[upbeat summit]

(much better: [[Category:pu]] [[Category:ku]])

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:pu
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:ku

[upbeat summit]

also i added a font navbox so the one for software and tools can actually be dedicated to software and tools instead of listing fonts on a technicality

[split grail]

awaawawaawa

why is it so tall tho

idea maybe to have like a

big font article with all the info about fonts

not like, the font list, but info about font and fontmaking and font using

[upbeat summit]

and move the current one to List of fonts?

[upbeat summit]

@split grail o,,,,

[split grail]

o

if there wasn't any <cite> there, uhm oops

unintended,.

[split grail]

sure

aaargh I wish there was a tool to just fix all double and broken redirects

whatever shall I do

[upbeat summit]

iirc Miraheze said they're only refreshing those pages every 3 days now

although it has been longer

[split grail]

I meant fixing the redirects themselves but oh dang

[upbeat summit]

yeah annoying for my wantedpages quest

[golden rock]

use  

sitelen pona fonts

either that or change it in css lol

[upbeat summit]

It would be nice if you could just press a button to confirm each double redirect

Broken redirects are basically just a subset of our requests page,

[split grail]

I started dying of laughter

I forgot that that was the pic in [[seme]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/seme

[split grail]

THREE TIMES

[vague aspen]

i was the one who put it there :D

[golden rock]

love it

[split grail]

you were !!!!

[split grail]

we do need images for [[meli]] and [[mije]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/meli
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mije

[split grail]

be woke

[split grail]

@upbeat summit I had a meeting with lipu tenpo
they want an article about how to swear in toki pona

(this is very serious, no silly business)

[noble gulch]

what is there really besides [[pakala]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pakala

[split grail]

not just words

there are phrases

[noble gulch]

Like "ni li ike a!" ?

I heard someone in VC yesterday talking about saying "sona ala" as a curse.

[grand marten]

papa,

[split grail]

yeah

omekalike too

[noble gulch]

Don't know that one

[split grail]

[[omekalike (song)]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/omekalike_(song)

[noble gulch]

Ok "omekalike" I can figure out.

But what's papa?

[split grail]

... papa

a

msa

[grand marten]

jan wan pi ma [Reddit] li toki e mama mije ona kepeken nimi papa

ni li ike tawa jan mute la ona li pana e kon musi mute tawa ona

[verbal coral]

is you

#2f8a7c papa

papa THE POPE
from italian papa (pope)

#1a22d7 papa

luka but for soweli

#84a5d2 papa

[split grail]

aaa

papa li mama mije

[grand marten]

· · ·
mi alasa e ijo papa la mi kama lukin e ni → mi pali e nimi ta · seme a · #sona-musi message

pilin mi la mi pali e nimi ja sama taso

[split grail]

also Aronora found ku in 2002

(it was a word used as an experimental relative clause marker in the Forums)

[hot trout]

ke

[split grail]

ke

[hot trout]

I am the one who Tamis

[grand marten]

ma [Miraheze] li tawa ilo ante la sitelen li ken pakala pi tenpo lili

[upbeat summit]

put it on requests a

[split grail]

jhgfgjk

are you actually considering it

[upbeat summit]

why not

anyway i want to cry because i've been in the wikitext table trenches working on [[Dictionary of luka pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Dictionary_of_luka_pona

[upbeat summit]

whoever created it had it completely out of alphabetical order (and also missed a couple words) and it was never fixed until now

which is frankly worse than any swear you could say to me,

[golden rock]

meli is a venus symbol, mije is a sad poop

[noble gulch]

Accurate though.

[grand marten]

ilo [PaliJan] li pali e jan pi lon lukin seme tawa sina · https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RandomGubbe03_Angry01.png

[split grail]

where did you find the uggliest 3D model ever

nvm

omg ..
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipe-tan_NovelAI.jpg

we need a mascot so we can commision art on them /j

/hj even

[grand marten]

lon a

mi wile pali e · taso mi sona ala ni

ona o jan anu soweli anu seme

[split grail]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Example_of_modern_internet_meme_(toki_pona).png

[split grail]

uhhhhhhhh

jan soweli?

msa

[upbeat summit]

oh yeah when are we getting a logo again

[grand marten]

ona o semeeee

[upbeat summit]

i would just do a minimalist SP thing

la if you have another ideas o tell e me

[grand marten]

kin sona-pona li lili la ona li sama toki-pona tawa lukin anu seme · taso ni li ike ala ike · nnn

sitelen ante seme li lon · sitelen [suwi] li nasa lon lili · sitelen [Lasina]?

[grand marten]

a ken

,,mi kama wile pana e sitelen mute pi nasin mute · ona o ante lon lukin sin

anu lon tenpo

[upbeat summit]

o pana e sitelen Sona Pona La ken mute lon ni

[split grail]

love the alt

[split grail]

give everything

[grand marten]

ni!

li wile mi

taso la ala

[hot trout]

in case I need to generate it again

[dark tree]

maybe sitelen pona but without combined glyphs

and then if you need a square image then you drop the modifiers and just use the head noun

sama nasin pi toki pona

[grand marten]

keeeen?

[upbeat summit]

ehh

[split grail]

boring tho innit

[grand marten]

iiiiike

sitelen [Emoji] li suli nanpa luka lon lipu nanpa laaaa?

[golden rock]

nasin juniko (rn)

[split grail]

SOWELI EPIKU?

[split grail]

it can't be

[golden rock]

jan Juwan arms reveal

[split grail]

I have literally shown my face before

[golden rock]

shush

[split grail]

dkdjkdgd

I have also signed luka pona

my entire upper body is not a mystery

[golden rock]

jan Juwan reveal reveal

[split grail]

despair

[split grail]

really want a 'sitelen Juniko' article so that I can find a way to write my name,.

where are the trefoil knots

[verbal coral]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10sPAQHQeE1OtuAKTolUCognNFYseIEI310Ktc6yfsRw/edit

#64ea10 sitelenjuniko

[grand marten]

↑

[split grail]

awawawwawawa

jasimer

haunted by the fact that no j glyph looks nice

[polar parrot]

in sitelen Juniko jo could be “G”

[golden rock]

good meme format tbh

[split grail]

lon a

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Wikipe-tanCrazy.gif

[split grail]

the yiff article on Wikipedia is a stub :(

[golden rock]

do it. expand yiff

[lethal ether]

nsfw ||they actually tried expanding that page way back when but it ended up just being useless padding so it was reverted, but not after a huge edit war. google "inflation yiff" to learn more||

[split grail]

mi wile mun e sina. taso mi ken ala..

[covert flume]

The G in the sitelen pona for jo is a reference to the fact that jo starts with G

[outer stirrup]

@split grail sina wile ante e pali mi lon lipu pi luka pona la, sina ken ala ken,,toki tawa mi lon open

suli la mi lukin weka e nimi lexicalization. mi la nimi ni li pona ala e sona

[split grail]

ni li nimi pona pi sona toki

[outer stirrup]

nimi li tan nasin sona pi toki ante, mi kepeken nimi la mi toki e ni: toki luka ni li sama toki luka ante. mi wile ala toki e ni a li wile pana e sona tan nasin pi toki ni taso

[rugged torrent]

nimi 'lexicalization' li lon toki seme

mi wile kama lukin r ona

[outer stirrup]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/luka_pona?diff=prev&oldid=10955&diffmode=source#Lexicalization "jan li sitelen e kalama nimi la sitelen ni li kama nimi"

mi la...ni li lon, taso ni li toki e sona lili taso pi nasin suli, sona ante li lon

nasin li ni ala: sitelen li kama nimi. nasin li ni: nimi li lon ala la, jan li sitelen, li kama ni kepeken tenpo lili.

mi ante sin e lipu, o lukin https://sona.pona.la/wiki/luka_pona#Fingerspelling

[outer stirrup]

mi sin e ni...suli la, o toki

[rugged torrent]

suli la kulupu pi toki pona li kepeken nimi "lexicalization" lon nasin pi ante mute tawa ni: o toki ala e "tomo tawa" lon tenpo ale, ni li nasin ike. kin la, nimi kalama li nimi ala lon toki pona lon luka pona la nimi "lexicalization" li nasa suli a tawa ni

[split grail]

ni,, li sama toki ante anu seme

[split grail]

okay, that is true, that's why i put don't confuse with lexicalisation in toki pona

but lexicalisation in sign languages is a different thing

such as I think Auslan HAM is just H-A-M

[rugged torrent]

but luka pona is different.
the place where fingerspelling drops most is in spelling names of people/places, and crucially these are not words in luka pona

they are proper adjectives where are essentially onomatopoeia

[split grail]

ah seme the fuck a

[rugged torrent]

so lexicalization is quite innacurate. its just abbreviation

[split grail]

hmm

[outer stirrup]

jlako pali sin mi la pilin seme

[split grail]

what about jasima and others

i forgor

[outer stirrup]

nimi ni la luka li lon ala la jan li sitelen... mi pilin e ni: sitelen ni li kama ala nimi lon tenpo ni

[rugged torrent]

jsm amd sk were manufactured artificially and ALSO nobody uses them. they've adopted more stablr non-fingerspelled sigbs

[split grail]

ahh

did not know

[rugged torrent]

so we cant say its a feature of toki pona because in the one case where we tried to mimic it, it didbt stick and was determined to be nonproductive

[split grail]

luka pona anu seme,,

[outer stirrup]

luka pona

[split grail]

ni la aa

[rugged torrent]

same thijg tawa mi

[split grail]

mi wile sona e ni

nimi ale lon lipu ni a

luka pona la ona li ken luka anu seme

ni la ona li luka sitelen taso ala

[rugged torrent]

lipu seme. nimi seme

[split grail]

.

JSM en SK li kama weka

[outer stirrup]

nimi ni anu seme: jasima, soko, eliki, unpa,

[split grail]

PU en KU li ante kin

UNUN li lon ala lon

*awen lon

eliki li lon ala luka suli

[rugged torrent]

i always parsed unun as putting on a condom instead of the letters unun so i cant speak to that

[split grail]

dkrhdj

[outer stirrup]

LON ALA LON

[rugged torrent]

eliki has not stuck

[split grail]

[split grail]

also how the fuck do you think putting on condoms look like

[outer stirrup]

toki pona en luka pona kin la nimi eliki li awen wawa ala

[rugged torrent]

its similar to the asl word for condom

[split grail]

ah yes slapping

awawawawawa

[split grail]

ponsive suli

[outer stirrup]

kasi mute li lon ni.........

[split grail]

loonn

[outer stirrup]

suli la. jan juwan o, sina pana e sona tawa lipu pi luka pona la, o toki tawa jan pi luka pona, o kama sona e ni: sona li lon ala lon

[split grail]

lon a

sorry that I didn't

[outer stirrup]

pona

[split grail]

here I thought you were just removing it not because the info was wrong but because you were removing technical jargon

which did happen before with others

msui

@golden rock disheveled juwann reveal uwusus awawas

[split grail]

mi pana e ante tawa lipu. kama la mi toki e ni tawa sina (jan ale pi luka pona): o lukin o pona e lipu. ni li pona ala pona

[outer stirrup]

nanpa wan la o toki. pali sina li pilin nasa e mi lon tenpo pini mute la mi wile e ni

[outer stirrup]

ni li ken, li musi, taso sina pana e ni kepeken luka pona ala, kepeken toki pona ala kin, kepeken toki inli a, la mi pilin ...... sama ni: nimi ni li kama ala lon luka pona
ante la, toki pi luka pona la tomo #luka-pona li lon a. mi awen toki lon ni

[split grail]

sona a

[split grail]

mi toki Inli e ni tan musi tan nasa mi. mi wile ala pana tawa ijo suli a. mi sona lili taso

[outer stirrup]

pona

sina lape pona anu seme :)

mi o kama ni

[split grail]

ponaa

[covert flume]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Nonstandard_color_words Something appears to have broken showing sp for some words (lon lipu mute)

[hot trout]

ah, we'd need to specify a different font for that example
the font doesn't have kapesi

[covert flume]

I swear they used to show up properly, but maybe not.. It's happening on the page for apeja as well

[hot trout]

Hm, yeah
I see that this font isn't meant to be loaded first
Then it's because of Miraheze migrating that the primary font doesn't get loaded

[upbeat summit]

yes

it's added via local file

and local files will be broken during the tawa

[covert flume]

a tawa 😔

[outer stirrup]

@rugged torrent mu

[rugged torrent]

mi en sina o lukin lon poka. mi ken ala sona e ni: pali sina li seme

@outer stirrup

[outer stirrup]

o lukin e anpa pi kipisi Fingerspelling

@rugged torrent

o toki e ni sona li pona ala pona

[rugged torrent]

mi en sina o toki lon pini pi tenpo pali sina

lawa mi li wile ala pali pi sona toki lon tenpo ni

[split grail]

mi pana e toki tawa [[Visual aids]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Visual_aids

[split grail]

ni la mi pana e sitelen wile lon tomo ni

mi pana e ni kin: mi wile pona e sitelen ni

nnn

ni li monsutatesu ala,. taso nimi "moku" en nimi "pakala" en nimi "moli" li ken kon ante mute a lon poka nimi ante

mi moku

• I eat
• I am food

mi pakala

• I hurt (others)
• I am hurt
• I am pain

mi moli

• I die
• I kill
• I am death

[split grail]

ni li musi a

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
sona·pona-brand visual aid series,,

mi wile pali e

[split grail]

pali!!!!!

sina sitelen pona

[grand marten]

mi sitelen pi ike ala

[split grail]

pona

a

[grand marten]

taso mi pali lon tenpo pi mute lili a

n

mi o lipu

[grand marten]

nasin o seme · ni loje anu ni laso

anu ante

[grand marten]

suli la ale o ken pali lon nasin sama

kepeken wawa lili

taso ilo [Inkscape] li wawa lili ala · n

[split grail]

laso

[split grail]

tawa wawa

[mighty seal]

a ona li pakala lon tenpo lili

[split grail]

ni a

[upbeat summit]

eek

[split grail]

while we're creating these

can we have a lukin pona vs. pona lukin one too

[upbeat summit]

i still think the "difference" between those is blown out of proportion

[split grail]

abababaab

fights you about that

[upbeat summit]

utala utala

[split grail]

toki pona ;)

[vague aspen]

; )

[covert flume]

tawa mi la ilo CSS li pakala

[split grail]

since sona pona is down, I went to edit Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:UCSUR_chart_Sitelen_Pona

hope that they approve of it

[split grail]

and also procratinate on a lab report

[vague aspen]

page removal speedrun

[split grail]

sobbing

like, AT LEAST sitelen pona has secondary sources

something that other scripts in the UCSUR can't say

and sitelen pona has been covered in Wikipedia already

the only thing lacking is a page,,

[upbeat summit]

That would be cool to see

[split grail]

indeed

[covert flume]

Is it possible to set a favicon for miraheze instances? The two that I use most often just have it set to the (kind of ugly) default one

[split grail]

yeah

[covert flume]

Oh alrihgt

[split grail]

oh do you mean for yourself

administrators of a wiki of course can change the favicon for the whole wiki but I am not sure if you can change it for youself

[covert flume]

Not locally,

[split grail]

we haven't just because we don't have ideas for what to change it to

[covert flume]

That's alright

[split grail]

ahh

[noble gulch]

A tiny toki pona logo?

[split grail]

we have some ideas above

one sec

[noble gulch]

But that's relatively non-specific, I guess.

[split grail]

.

[split grail]

it is

and so borrriiiiinnggggggg

[noble gulch]

lol

I don't know how to do

But sona pona where the pona is inside the sona.

So like the Toki Pona logo, but with sona instead of Toki.

[split grail]

the other option is it with sitelen sitelen

sitelen sitelen is very often used in logos for some reason

see: lipu kule, kalama sin, lipu Wikipesija, uhmmm uhh thinking

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Logos_in_Toki_Pona

not as many but still

[noble gulch]

sitelen sitelen is super stylish

But for a tiny favicon I'm not sure it'd work so well.

Well actually

sona pona in sitelen sitelen would be pretty cute.

My sitelen sitelen is super rusty

[split grail]

like so

[noble gulch]

Yeah

[split grail]

maybe with a la

[noble gulch]

I'm trying to think how that'd look scaled down.

[split grail]

a

sorry I was thinking of a logo

taking inspo from Wikipesija

[noble gulch]

Ah yeah for the homepage it'd be legit.

[split grail]

for its favicon, it's just the syllable wi

[noble gulch]

Would we just be so?

[split grail]

gjsldkjfsd

that is

[noble gulch]

The syllable for the favicon I mean.

[split grail]

a bit silly

maybe the word 'sona'

scaled down

[grand marten]

ken a

a ijo li kama lon lawa mi

[split grail]

aa

[covert flume]

crab claw

[split grail]

oh god

it can't be

[covert flume]

👀

I like that

[split grail]

autism speakers sona

[grand marten]

mi sona toki [Jipi]

[split grail]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

^ their sona

[grand marten]

mi kepeken wan pi sitelen kipisi la jan ike li ken ala kepeken ona >:3

ante la · sitelen pi ma [Wikipedia] li wan ni mute

[split grail]

aa

[grand marten]

la · seme li wile pali pona e pipelen

mi ken alasa ni kepeken tenpo suli

[split grail]

candidates

• sitelen pona
  • maybe inspired by pona.la
• sitelen sitelen (with/without la)
• sona puzzle piece
• smart soweli
• sitelen Emosi

• more... maybe

[grand marten]

ken · taso musi ala

[split grail]

silly sketches

[golden rock]

sona.PONA.LA

[split grail]

sona yupekosi

[golden rock]

sona.pona.la kin li sona yupekosi

[split grail]

[golden rock]

ona li pana e sona yupekosi

[split grail]

[[yupekosi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yupekosi

[split grail]

yukeposi

[golden rock]

sina yupekosi e yupekosi

[grand marten]

mi open pali e sitelen yupekosi

[split grail]

aa

sona yupekosi is Uncyclopedia

[grand marten]

ike la · ilo [Inkscape] li ken ala ante e kule pi sitelen lon · ilo [GIMP] la mi pana e ante la mi ken ala ante e ante · ilo [Photoshop] li mani la ike

mi alasa pali pona li alasa pi mute ike

[golden rock]

yupediakosi

[split grail]

ilo [Photoshop] li mani la ike
o kalamARR

[grand marten]

mi lARRnpARRn a · taso mi wile ala kepeken tan mani (tan ike ante kin)

[split grail]

lon a

[grand marten]

nnnn ni su [y]upekosi https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mona_-_Idil_Keysan_-_Wikimedia_Giphy_stickers_2019.gif

[split grail]

idj what you're talking about

that Mona is way better

[split grail]

ooh

also let's goo it's back

for a bit

what does Kenney or DaThings look like

added Rob's video to [[Videos by non-Tokiponists]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Videos_by_non-Tokiponists

[split grail]

thinking on putting more emphasis on it but maybe noooot??

[split grail]

I should post a list of image requests on Kita's page,,.

<3 lovingly infodumps to you

@upbeat summit your icon li pakola

is there any way to move it like

keeping it stuck here on the topbar or however you call it

[grand marten]

o lukin e linja anu seme

taso n · linja nanpa tu o ante

[split grail]

nnn

[grand marten]

ni https://elliespectacular.com/art

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5df91141acbf7f0aa6d15eb2/1576692759930-VMX12Q7K6E820CBXYLGP/hug.png

[split grail]

ahh

[split grail]

my mum painted my nails
my face is super smooth
I think I can do that luka pona alphabet thing

waiting for the nails to dry,,

[split grail]

(posting that before in #luka-pona dw)

[split grail]

luka !!

please ignore how menacing I look staring down the camera

more s

j and w are just i and u with arrows

[vague aspen]

hot

[split grail]

@outer stirrup nothing big just,,. since you wanna know

[split grail]

can we please have this
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard

also hm, I think this is a new error

I don't know

[vague aspen]

please no

[split grail]

what do you meeeeeaaaaaaaannn

it's great

I love it

[vague aspen]

noooooooo

[split grail]

my baby child

[vague aspen]

it confuses me

[split grail]

too bad !

[vague aspen]

i dont like anything new

[split grail]

I will not take this wiki slander of having to upload images individually

[vague aspen]

except the sitelen seli kiwen update

[vague aspen]

shhhhhh

i’m gonna add you to the kekan dating sim project

[split grail]

only if I may hold hands with him

[vague aspen]

oh wait that will require me to draw you

and idk how to draw full bodies

[split grail]

jfsdlkfjsd

[vague aspen]

despari

[grand marten]

la o kepeken ala

nasin majuna li awen lon

[vague aspen]

:)

[grand marten]

a pilin mi la ona li lon

o pana lon wile · sina wawa

[split grail]

awawawa

e nasin

[outer stirrup]

pali pona!

[split grail]

pona a

[split grail]

created a thread on the Miraheze server if you all want to follow it
https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1200957418432123033

what the fuck i blinked and there already 500 pages

[grand marten]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/extensions

[split grail]

still

something wrong isn't right here..

this

I am not smart

so uhm

@grand marten 🥺

can you read this and understand how to do it

[grand marten]

a ilo li lon

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

[split grail]

a

← idiot

okay so

how do I get it here

[grand marten]

nnnnsonaala

[split grail]

mi kama sona

tan kulupu

[dark tree]

[[Reduplication]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Reduplication

[dark tree]

i wrote out a list of examples of doubled words on another server:

times you might see doubled words

a a: haha
ala ala: not nothing
ale ale: 100+100=200
anpa anpa: below the lower part
ante ante: another different one
kulupu kulupu: a group of people that's about groups of people, e.g. the people who run an event venue
lawa lawa: boss's boss
len len: hidden cloth
lili lili: a little bit small
lipu lipu: a book about books
luka luka: 5+5=10
lupa lupa: a hole that's for holes, e.g. a keyhole
ma ma: land of dirt
mama mama: grandparent
moku moku: food that food eats, e.g. the stuffing in a turkey
monsi monsi: behind the back
mu mu: moo moo
mun mun: the moon of a planet
mute mute: very many, or 20+20=40
nanpa nanpa: the index of a number
nena nena: a smaller bump on a larger bump, e.g. a pimple on a nose
open open: the beginning of an opening segment
pakala pakala: an unsuccessful attempt at breaking something
pali pali: working towards some task
pini pini: the end of an ending
pipi pipi: a bug's bug
poka poka: next to your hip
poki poki: a container's container, or a contained container
selo selo: the outer layer of an outer layer
sewi sewi: above the higher part, or a high-up god
sinpin sinpin: in front of the front
sona sona: knowledge about knowledge
soweli soweli: an animal's animal, e.g. a furry's pet, or a pet's furry
tan tan: the origin of some origin
tenpo tenpo: some time that's about time, e.g. a meeting about planning a schedule
toki toki: talking about communication
tu tu: 2+2=4
uta uta: a kiss on the mouth

would it make sense to put this into the reduplication article in some form?

it sounded like it was a helpful list, as the learner summarized

So because the following word is always there to describe the previous word, repetition in toki pona is iterative rather than reinforcing

[upbeat summit]

there is but it's not supposed to be there so that it can be applied to specific sections

[upbeat summit]

mi la o pana

Rough article suggestion, needs to be refined before i can plop it on the requests page

I notice there are a lot of comments on the RobWords video to the effect of, "This is impractical! How do you plan to use Toki Pona for emergencies and hyperprecise situations? Wouldn't the circumlocution strategies end up wasting valuable time if someone is Dying?" when no one suggested using Toki Pona for that in the first place, what are the chances people in the real world are going to have Toki Pona as a common language let alone realize it

There might be a misconception that every conlang is trying to be Esperanto, so that could be linked, but i don't think that's entirely enough to cover whatever you'd call this misconception in full

As far as [[Toki Pona is not exceptional]] goes, i would guess that many natural languages don't have their own words for half the semi-obscure jargon these commenters throw out, instead loaning them from English and other powerful languages—while this goes against the descriptive philosophy of Toki Pona, it's perfectly possible to do that, plus you get the headword as a hint that other languages wouldn't have (discounting "ATM machine"–type situations)

And historically speaking, exactly 0 languages had a word for "HDMI cable", so i think part of the assumption is that Toki Pona is supposed to be useful for modern life, when pu suggests much the opposite

Such texts [as chemical textbooks and legal documents] are products of the complex, modern civilization we live in and are not suited for a cute, little language like Toki Pona. (pg. 11)

Any ideas for how to name and focus an article about this misconception

[mighty seal]

i may have been wrong because plenty of people have proven me wrong. you can do non euclidian geometry and other topics

[upbeat summit]

touché, but stuff like Toki Pona medical jargon still doesn't exactly seem to be a priority for the community,

whereas outsiders seem to get the impression quite often that we are advocating for that

I gotta narrow down what exactly i'm getting at

[upbeat summit]

also does anyone have a good name for a template that marks a parenthetical in the lead section with the noexcerpt class

[dark tree]

[[Toki Pona is not intended to be useful for every type of situation]

[[Toki Pona is not Esperanto]

[upbeat summit]

We do have International auxiliary language for that facet of things (this new article should probably link there)

[mighty seal]

is there an article about "we don't feel comfortable with the idea of one european language being proposed as the one language for the whole world" or something ?

[upbeat summit]

Probably also International auxiliary language

[mighty seal]

baha'is believe in a world auxiliary language in the future https://bahai9.com/wiki/World_auxiliary_language but it's not esperanto

[dark tree]

should this be a table or a list or something else?

i will default to table

[upbeat summit]

jan Sepulon seems to be on the same track as me #1200795026393935942 message

[night oak]

This is the internet for you! Don't ever say "you can't do X with Y", because a lot of people will take that as a challenge and invest a lot of time and effort to prove you wrong 😅

[night oak]

An answer I've already written a few times in YT comments is by an analogy with music, a universal language able to express a lot of emotions, evoke images in the minds of other people. Yet nobody argues that music is trying to replace the other languages (maybe to the despair of the Canary Islands whistlers?)

[night oak]

"common misconceptions", "frequent criticisms", "recurrent objections"?

[upbeat summit]

it should certainly be listed under [[FAQ]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/FAQ

[grand marten]

[[Common misconceptions]] li lon

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Common_misconceptions

[upbeat summit]

We broadening the scope from words?

[night oak]

Maybe make that article more general and not use it solely about misconceptions about the words and grammar?

[grand marten]

[What Toki Pona isn't]?

[night oak]

A section dedicated to words/grammar and another about misconceptions about the language's goals and more general "problems" seems a good way to handle that to me

[upbeat summit]

• Toki Pona is not a paper encyclopedia
• Toki Pona is not a dictionary
• Toki Pona is not a publisher of original thought
• Toki Pona is not a soapbox or means of promotion

[grand marten]

TP:NOT
lipu Tokipedia

,,pakala ni li nimi pona

[split grail]

aaa

can I take back my support,,

[upbeat summit]

despair

[split grail]

fjsdlkjfsd

<3

[grand marten]

ken la sitelen o lon linja pi nimi suli

anu nimi suli o kule

[split grail]

also did you all see me obsessively and annoyingly ping you on the Miraheze server answering how do this 🥺

[split grail]

since ssk updated and I'm waiting response from the Miraheze people, I've started adding to [[name glyphs]], does this read nice

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/name_glyphs

[split grail]

like you get it,,
the glyphs for Opa and Tenpi are just cartouches but made to fit a square

so 'full form' or something??

for the empty cells do we

• keep the {{Empty|cell}} template
• blank them
• write 'Unknown.'

[upbeat summit]

Are they unknown?

[split grail]

I mean

to me..........................................

[upbeat summit]

then they need work from others,

[split grail]

damn

@safe stag is this wording good

@vague aspen ni li sina anu seme,,

[vague aspen]

mi a

[split grail]

wawa

what is it tho

[vague aspen]

en combined with the nose of kijetesantakalu

[split grail]

fjsdklf

very silly <3

[vague aspen]

there’s also an alternate with eyes in the top right quadrant but i don’t use it often

[split grail]

aa okie

omg.

anusememailmahjong!!!

[vague aspen]

you mean aAANUSEMEmailMahjong?

[split grail]

shush

[split grail]

is it in linja Enki by chance

[vague aspen]

no

i don’t include name glyphs in my creations

[split grail]

damn

en soni

[steep cave]

jan Jonatan's glyph is composed of jo, nasa, and tan #1053850152932233266 message

maybe I should try edit sona pona

[split grail]

a pona

do !!!!!

the more editors the better

if you need help with wikitext, just ask

and there are resources on Wikipedia

[upbeat summit]

I always found this one super clever

@split grail are you using [[Template:n/a]] for the cells with no font support or what have you

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:n%2Fa

[split grail]

o

I just used —

the literal character

because it's temporary

[steep cave]

uhh, should I check this "This is a minor edit"? just making sure

[split grail]

and I didn't know about the template

[upbeat summit]

i'm a literal character :3

[split grail]

oh no, you don't need to

don't save

bc I'm already editing that

dw

[steep cave]

ahhh

okie dokie

[upbeat summit]

[[Wikipedia: Help:Minor edit]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Wikipedia:_Help:Minor_edit

[split grail]

minor edits mostly are like

oh I changed the formatting but the page looks the same

or I fixed a typo

nothing that adds content really

[steep cave]

ah, gotcha

[upbeat summit]

edits that don't change the meaning of the article

edits that you don't think anyone else would need to review

basically

[split grail]

yeah

[upbeat summit]

We don't really use it as rigorously as we should 😅

[split grail]

fdjskflsd

true..........

okie another thing

in the ma pi nasin sitelen server, Lepeka has suggested making something to coordinate name glyphs, so for right now, I probably should make the codepoint section just one codepoint

and then add in the notes 'oh you can make this with meli + nja + kule' etc.

does this sound good

[split grail]

unfortunately I couldn't crop some of them well but oh well,.

(Discord only lets you sent 10 images)

I FORGOT M AND N

I might as well redo them all,.

but that will be later

[steep cave]

I can remember jan Poman's glyph is derived from sitelen pona glyphs. pona ona monsi awen nena? I'm not too sure, I can't find the message. (If this is the case, this is a really creative glyph)

okay, I found it #pali-musi message

[split grail]

(tan mi ala, tan r/mi_lon)

mi lukin e toki majuna la ni li lon

o yutu ala

you are a menace

menacewi

gjsdlfskjd

<3

[upbeat summit]

I need "you are a menace" to show up contextless on #pona-kulupu

[split grail]

literally

it will be funny trust me

[steep cave]

mi o ante ala ante e lipu?

[split grail]

a

o ante

now, who created lotus majuna

why must it be so hard to find glyph origins.,

is this what etymologists must go thru everyday?

but for words

I only found this
#pali-musi message

[grand marten]

li pana e sina lon sitelen [seli kiwen]

[upbeat summit]

a mi lon linja

wowy, page previews can update without having to refresh anything

unless you count unhovering and rehovering over the link as "refreshing"

wawa awa

[split grail]

it's true. look!

[upbeat summit]

a

Might go through some talkpages

Can we reach a consensus on the case discussed at [[Talk:With]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Talk:With

[split grail]

I think that it shouldn't be added, maybe only as a see also

because these are mostly intended for learning

the English word articles

[upbeat summit]

mhm

i was feeling the same way

[upbeat summit]

We good to remove the Talk template then?

[split grail]

yeah

[upbeat summit]

Only 38 more talk pages to get through then,,

@split grail o is there anything on [[Talk:Names]] not now covered on Name glyphs

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Talk:Names

[split grail]

nope

s'all good

[upbeat summit]

Thoughts on [[Talk:pin't]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Talk:pin't

[split grail]

agree with your arguments

[upbeat summit]

o Reply :3

[hot trout]

Collaborative process, kind of, discussion started here #pali-musi message

[hot trout]

Which eventually led to this

[upbeat summit]

I'm just gonna start making flagrant stubs

It seems better to have an article created, so wikiers sonæ are motivated to correct the error of its missing information, than to have them languishing on the requests page or what have you for who knows how many more months

[hot trout]

Do it

[upbeat summit]

a