sona.pona.la

[split grail]

ni la mi pana e ona tawa lipu Commons

to our licence thingy, I should probably add other CC licences

........how do I, do that

[grand marten]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses

kin o sona e [[Template:license link]] sin

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:license_link

[split grail]

aa

[split grail]

I deleted a file by mistake aaa

[[File:kulupu.svg]] ← this one

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:kulupu.svg

[split grail]

bringing with up again

ideas for a general category of words not worthy enough for an article

• Glossary of Toki Pona words?
• List of obscure words?
• Obscure words?

[muted sun]

why doesn't sitelen Lasina count

[grand marten]

sina wawa ale la sina ken weka e weka

[split grail]

aaa

[split grail]

uploaded most glyphs we need to Commons :>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sitelen_seli_kiwen

@upbeat summit hype ‼️

[upbeat summit]

👀

Improved the infobox's SP fallbacking

It will check if you added a custom SP filename, else if there's a pu glyph, else if there's a pu Epelanto glyph, else if there's a sitelen seli kiwen glyph

lmao [[Category:Words with sitelen pona glyphs]] is expanding, it was only at like 164 when i first checked and now it's 219 and probably still growing

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:Words_with_sitelen_pona_glyphs

[upbeat summit]

…by 1

Also i noticed someone tried to add alt text to the infobox image for tonsi, so that is now properly supported

Also shows up as the caption text so you can check it on hover, but i assure you the alt attribute is also set

[upbeat summit]

If no one has any objections i can start splitting the uncommon related words into their own articles soonish

so the other word articles don't give them undue weight by inclusion

we discussed this at some point right

[upbeat summit]

@split grail kijetesantakalu real?

I need to know where this image is from now

[split grail]

o

kijetesantakalu real

[split grail]

that someone was me

[split grail]

o

one sec now then

okay sure

on [[jan Misali's thoughts on words]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/jan_Misali's_thoughts_on_words

[split grail]

just do {{tok|[[e]]}}

smh

(put a ZWJ for that the bot doesn't respond but maybe Discord removed it??

[split grail]

we did

mi ni

[upbeat summit]

then the extension gets the page title and makes it italicized

which is not how it's originally written

[split grail]

to move

• ewe
• jans
• kalamARR
• kuntu
• kosan
• nu
• nuwa

what is this

also why is not notable now 'sub-Linku'

[upbeat summit]

https://i.redd.it/uhm59pqpbbq81.jpg

[split grail]

gjsdlkfjsdf

[upbeat summit]

imo, out of context, non-notable implies a value judgment about notability to the wiki

if it weren't notable we wouldn't cover it

[split grail]

hmm true

[upbeat summit]

like most of the shitposts in nimi ale

[split grail]

jhfdghd

[split grail]

proposing maybe moving silapa and tasun into a special page for both

because they're special ✨

[upbeat summit]

could

[split grail]

as in meant to fuck with font makers' lives

[split grail]

possibly move ten and kepen too?

unsure

[upbeat summit]

there's [[abbr]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/abbr

[split grail]

oh that's good

move then there then

[upbeat summit]

I like that because we're replacing redirects with article content, the number of articles is gradually increasing despite no new ones being created

[split grail]

yeahfjdslkfsjdf

artificial inflation of articles

for more info, google--

moli tan Pingo

[upbeat summit]

AI inflation

different people will find this 🤢 for very different reasons

[split grail]

indeed

apart from words, should we have a 'list of works by length' maybe

because a lot of people ask that

[upbeat summit]

works or words?

(tired & confused)

[split grail]

works

like

[upbeat summit]

ah

[split grail]

• Nasi (something thousand words)
• tu kuntu (something thousand words)
• jan Keta li weka (something thousand words)
• etc.

are image from ssk automatic or

added redirects to jalan loka.png and san tuli.png and waiting for it to update

[split grail]

@mighty seal sorry to bother, but I just need permission to upload the images from toki pona luka to Commons, as they can also be used for luka pona

[mighty seal]

you can copy the handshapes art, is that what you mean?

[split grail]

yeah

thank you Discord for being so broken

testing testing

ok it doesn't want to work nvm

[grand marten]

seme li mu e mi

[split grail]

sona ala

[split grail]

kijetesantakalu real?

[split grail]

sina ken ala ken e ni

[mighty seal]

sina ken kepeken sitelen

[split grail]

lon lawa ken seme

[mighty seal]

jan Jala li sitelen e ona...

[split grail]

aa

ona li seme

[mighty seal]

you can say i put the handshapes art in public domain

[split grail]

okie

[upbeat summit]

Would appreciate fact-checking on [[sitelen Anku]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sitelen_Anku

[upbeat summit]

And for the notes section, does the aspiration thing tend to apply to other Latin-script languages?

I don't want to claim it's an Englishism if it's more general than that

[upbeat summit]

me tagging Korean text with its proper ISO code: ah yes the language of goop

me tagging English text: …and?

[grand marten]

mi pana e sona toki lon toki [Lasina] la: la:

[dark tree]

@lethal ether may know, or may know somebody who knows

[lethal ether]

i dont know hangul so idk

but you should ask ilo Eko

[dark tree]

this is a question about Latin script languages that aren't Hangul

probably safe to continue claiming it's an English ism until someone corrects it

[upbeat summit]

Shoutouts to https://regex101.com i don't think my contributions to the wiki would be feasible without it or similar tools

Why is regex stuff not just built into the text editors that come with OSes,,

Everything just uses gross alternative pattern matchers that aren't nearly as powerful

[split grail]

[[tuki tiki]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/tuki_tiki

[split grail]

^ something brkoe

[golden rock]

what do you mean

just have a good os

[upbeat summit]

which usest thou

[golden rock]

jokes aside i use kate which is like notepad++ but by the kde people and is available on windows

tho tbf notepad++ also supports regex

it would be weird of windows to ship a good official application by default

[upbeat summit]

pakala mi, thinking i could ever hope to implement nested transclusion tags

[upbeat summit]

okay but you know what's weird

[golden rock]

hm?

[upbeat summit]

Microsoft has developed a full-on math solver application

and

it is on fucking telephones

instead of being part of the Calculator application

[golden rock]

i wouldn't know anything about microsoft mobile apps

[upbeat summit]

I have a massive bone to pick with preinstalled calculator apps like why are they all based on one-line calculators and their massive input limitations

A calculator with a screen that looks like this

https://www.studyforfe.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/TI-36x-Calculator-Functions.jpg

should not be infinitely more capable than the calculator provided on my entire hecking computer

[golden rock]

hm

[upbeat summit]

why have we never made progress on this front

we just have to shuffle on over to desmos.com

[golden rock]

when i need to calculate something simple i use krunner

without ever having to open the calculator

when i need something that doesn't fit into an inline expression i pull up desmos

[upbeat summit]

that is also true

[split grail]

WolframAlpha my beloved

[upbeat summit]

macOS lets you type expressions into Spotlight and i don't remember for sure but Windows search has to have that too, right

but then when it comes to the actual calculator application

no expression support?

very confusing decision

Inputting expressions is for search engines

apparently

[golden rock]

oh @upbeat summit idk if your text editor woes are about windows or macos

but just in case, kate is available on macos as well

[upbeat summit]

…feels a bit overkill for this sort of use case

[lethal ether]

i thought the question was "when applying hangul to other languages do you use aspirate/tenuis pairs to write voiceless/voiced pairs when they have a voicing distinction but not an aspiration distinction"

[dark tree]

@upbeat summit rephrase your question

[dark tree]

if you type arithmetic into windows search then it runs a bing search and shows the result inline

you can install microsoft powertoys and press alt-space for a spotlight clone that works much better

it lets you search for .exe files in the downloads folder! unlike start menu search, for some reason!

[upbeat summit]

awa

the question is just motivated by the romanization

which i assume is language-independent?

but is the reason the romanization is that way because of English, or because of a variety of Latin-script languages sharing that characteristic

[noble gulch]

Hey can I get eyes on my changes to [[preverbs]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/preverbs

[upbeat summit]

[[Template:Animals]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Animals

[upbeat summit]

I think the <mark /> should be used for the specific part the example is demonstrating, so for the Modifiers section i would only highlight the. well. modifiers

Also the highlighting is a bit funky with the font we're currently using, it helps to add a third parameter which is used to customize the SP and to remove the spaces next to the <mark /> tags there

[lethal ether]

but what is the question!!

[lethal ether]

ohhh

neither

most latin script languages dont share that characteristic

but its like that because whether its a voiceless/voiced distinction or an aspirated/unaspirated distinction, its still pairs of two plosives where one is perceived as softrr than the other

so its like analogous

[upbeat summit]

ah hmm

lax/tense then?

Is that the word?

[split grail]

kije

[upbeat summit]

hehe

[vague aspen]

perhaps the biggest contribution to the toki pona community i made is the word “kije”

i see it everywhere

[split grail]

so true

[vague aspen]

and i think i was the first to shorten it like that

everyone else had either the 15-letter version or kijete

[noble gulch]

This is interesting: it's not clear to me what the highlighting actually is for. I was just trying to update the formatting of these examples to match those on other pages.

[split grail]

is there a better way to show the front and side views,,

I say this because just this feels a bit lacking

also that poka and noka together make me read 'poka noka' as a single phrase

[upbeat summit]

well

is there

[split grail]

also aaa I hate it when the you wan to add a linebreak and it line breaks everything

so you have to do this ^

[split grail]

I mean,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

only idea is images, but then

images,..................

btw sina wawa mute

so many edits in a day

how can you make a body template now

[upbeat summit]

do we use the dreaded

[[File:BodyTokiPona.jpg]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:BodyTokiPona.jpg

[split grail]

oh please no

the poor girl has gone thru enough

[upbeat summit]

who even is that

[split grail]

I Have No Clue

[grand marten]

o sitelen wawa Image Map

[split grail]

yeah

we just need

the image

[grand marten]

jan pi toki [pona] li lon ma [Commons] tan jan [Elemenopi]

[split grail]

JFSKDLFSJDF

that would be a good idea

but they don't have arms

or many facial features

[vague aspen]

no but like for real

“self-photographed” 🤔

[grand marten]

a sina wile e sijelo e ma ala

la. la la la.

meli pi telo nasa

[vague aspen]

this photo has haunted my dreams since december 2021

[split grail]

sobbing

[grand marten]

o weka e monsuta lili o pana e monsuta suli

[upbeat summit]

melo pasta

[split grail]

I have been learning for years now
she is my ultimate nightmare

[split grail]

do we even have any good pictures of her

[grand marten]

lon la
nn
ilo [VRoid Studio] la sijelo open mute li lon nasin [CC0] · la wile li lon la

[split grail]

[[meli pi telo nasa]] ← look

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/meli_pi_telo_nasa

[split grail]

oo

[vague aspen]

you should watch the youtube video

[grand marten]

https://vroid.pixiv.help/hc/en-us/articles/4402614652569-Do-VRoid-Studio-s-sample-models-come-with-conditions-of-use-

[split grail]

I did

[grand marten]

kin jan [Kenney] li pali e ijo mute mute ken

[split grail]

aaa pona

[vague aspen]

watch it again

[split grail]

dkdhkdhd

use jan Tepo as a reference

[grand marten]

ona li lili la ni li pona tawa sitelen lili anu seme

[split grail]

because he's the first human

[split grail]

can u show

[grand marten]

jan nanpa wan tawa pan

[grand marten]

https://kenney.nl/assets/animated-characters-1
https://kenney.nl/assets/animated-characters-2
https://kenney.nl/assets/animated-characters-3

[split grail]

ahh

ideally we would be using a real person tho

[grand marten]

ni li wile sina la

[upbeat summit]

tansem

[split grail]

but this is good too

[split grail]

because it's more concrete than an avatat

the more conk, the creter

[vague aspen]

toki Inli la pona

[grand marten]

mi alasa e sitelen ni → ale pi jan tonsi wan li lon ona

[len tan len lili] ||https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AHuman_body_–_Juno.jpg||

[split grail]

do we len

[grand marten]

nn mi la ala?

[split grail]

cuz like

how many pages will this be in

many

[vague aspen]

i think we should go with that girl at least because of the cultural significance

[split grail]

and we don't want to shove a person in underwear to people,...,

[grand marten]

-a pilin mi la sina toki e ni → len o lon tomo ni

[split grail]

aahhh kdhkddkhd

[split grail]

[grand marten]

ma [Wikipedia] li pana e jan pi len anpa ala lon lipu [Human body]

[vague aspen]

what’s wrong

[split grail]

that's true

but do we bc it's supposed to be just for learning vocab and not studying human anatomy

[split grail]

the pic is so old and uggy ,,

[grand marten]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AHuman_Body-bn.png

ike la sitelen li lili · kin ona pi toki ala li lon ala tawa mi

[split grail]

aa

[vague aspen]

it’s not wdym ?? 😭

[grand marten]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AHuman_body_parts_diagram.jpg

monsuta... nanpa tu!

[split grail]

damn...

[grand marten]

kin ona li tan lipu li lon ala nasin pana anu seme

[split grail]

ahh so sleepy

[steep cave]

this gives me thalasin vibes

why the head is like that

[grand marten]

seme li toki pona e ni [len tan sijelo unpa pi len ala] ||https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AHuman_body_Toki_Pona.png||

[vague aspen]

imo we should take meli pi telo nasa and put all stuff with it

alcohol anatomy

[split grail]

dlfdkdhd

it's not even alcohol I think.,

[vague aspen]

yeah it’s sprite

[split grail]

looking close it looks suspiciously like Sprite

a

[split grail]

sona ala

[upbeat summit]

ni li len tan len ala 🤔

[grand marten]

len li lon ala la mi pana e len

aaa sitelen pi pona ale li lon ala tan seme

ona o tonsi o len

[split grail]

put some stock photo shorts on these people

o jan lon

[vague aspen]

ni li len tan nele

[vague aspen]

nah

[split grail]

take away their shorts

[upbeat summit]

only longs

[vague aspen]

yah

[split grail]

mi o lape zzzzzzz

[upbeat summit]

Can we get on spl

[split grail]

like

[grand marten]

mi la jan pi lon ala li pona

[split grail]

the emoji

[split grail]

pona

[vague aspen]

we should get article about the word нiмесин

[split grail]

make it a section on nimisin

[grand marten]

wan la · jan sitelen li jan · lipu tonsi li jan tonsi ala
tu la · ni li toki ala e kon pi nimi wan li pana e nasin pi lipu nimi · lon la mi la ona o [simple] · sitelen pi jan lon li [simple] ala

[split grail]

or an article 'nimisin culture'

[split grail]

simple

[grand marten]

[simple]

ken la mi pana e ijo jan soweli mi

[split grail]

pronounced like that in IPA

[vague aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-starving-feed-me-gif-20955851

[split grail]

FURRIES ON MAIN

moku pona

[vague aspen]

why are discord gifs so random

https://tenor.com/view/stress-cat-cat-cute-cat-stressss-stress-gif-15275597

[vague aspen]

me

[grand marten]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AShariram.jpg

[grand marten]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AAnthro_vixen_fullbody_front.svg

[split grail]

don't actually do that dkdhdkdgd

[vague aspen]

omg shariram

[grand marten]

a mi pana ala e ni tan seme https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AYasin_Torunoglu_-_TK2021_(51015529832).jpg

jan li sitelen e jan mute lon loje

[grand marten]

taso 🥺 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ACarol_Tea_(Freedom_Planet_2).png

[upbeat summit]

@split grail is ssk snoweli on Commons

[split grail]

I don't know actually

you can check

[[c:Category:Sitelen seli kiwen]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Sitelen_seli_kiwen

[split grail]

if not I'm adding it tomorrow

I don't wanna sleeeeeep

very rare for us all editors to work together and it's very cool and otherwise I miss out and then your time zones and weird and ababababnababab

[vague aspen]

anyway good night y’all

[vague aspen]

ok actually no

[upbeat summit]

SVG furry art
how

[upbeat summit]

444 template edits wowy

okay so we're coming up on another word article milestone

close to being done with all of the nimi ku lili

we're only missing:

[[kese]] [[loka]] [[peto]] [[umesu]] [[waleja]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/kese
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/loka
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/peto
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/umesu
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/waleja

[upbeat summit]

you can use the form at [[Project:Word articles#Template]] to create them more conveniently

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Project:Word_articles#Template

[muted sun]

kinda iconic tho

[split grail]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what in the heck

[split grail]

maybe it would be good to update [[sona pona:Guide]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sona_pona:Guide

[split grail]

also, ..if you've seen the chaos on the Unicode proposal
there should be a part discussing why some people despise the [[nimi ku]] as a category

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/nimi_ku

[split grail]

especially nimi ku suli

[grand marten]

[[User:.hecko/on nimi ku]] li poka

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:.hecko%2Fon_nimi_ku

[split grail]

o

moving it,..

[grand marten]

o ni ala

nasin ona li sama ala lipu ante

(ken suli la sina sona e ni · mu)

[split grail]

gjsldkfjsd

mi sona

[grand marten]

mi awen alasa e jan

https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/en/view-image.php?image=62979&picture=little-boy
https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/70000/velka/little-boy-1385390666DK5.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Body_toki_pona.jpg

[split grail]

what does Wiktionary have

[[wikt:body]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/wikt:body

[split grail]

ok

educational nudity

[upbeat summit]

What with?

I've been trying to keep it updated

[vague aspen]

i created a page for [[umesu]

[[umesu]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/umesu

[golden rock]

im just glad we (in the form of Linku) stepped in and provided newer categories that don't run into being forever doomed to be bad

ofc people refused to use them in this circumstance but the criteria got more involved than just current popular usage so its understandable

thoughts on adding [[spp]] as a redirect to sitelen pona pona?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/spp

[golden rock]

its used pretty consistently for that

[vague aspen]

just did that

wait actually now that i think about i had a pdf file where i drew all glyphs

i can send it now

here is the file verbatim

you can do what you want with it

[vague aspen]

@split grail do you need this or no

[split grail]

aaa

sorry

I do

[vague aspen]

that’s nice

[split grail]

this isn't exactly what I mean, but it works

[vague aspen]

pona

[split grail]

found this while looking for other things
http://forums.tokipona.org/viewtopic.php?p=5877&hilit=name+glyph#p5877

[split grail]

more things to add to [[epiku]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/epiku

[vague aspen]

there are now pages for all except the first one

[split grail]

kese gay time

[upbeat summit]

You know what kese

Okay the page image for [[pika]] goes hard i'm so glad i found it

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pika

[upbeat summit]

So

we're 2 for 2 on no one having any idea what the SP for waleja is supposed to be

[upbeat summit]

anyone know?

@split grail o, the ssk image for [[yutu]] is different or outdated from the font

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yutu

[upbeat summit]

[[peto]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/peto

[upbeat summit]

"deprecatedan" kinda goes hard too

sounds like a cool dinosaur

[muted sun]

maybe it makes sense in context

could it be a derivation from tengwar somehow??

or just ask who made the glyph

[dark tree]

it existed at least as far back as 2021 #toki-ale message

from ma pi nasin sitelen

#951966419283742750 message

[upbeat summit]

well i did [[kese]] to the best of my ability

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/kese

[upbeat summit]

That's all nimi ku lili

[upbeat summit]

I'm not finding any matches in Tengwar or Cirth

Who did make the glyph…

[dark tree]

inwin

according to lipamanka

this UI is so confusing https://glaemscrafu.jrrvf.com/english/glaemscribe.html

i'm giving up because it doesn't work well on mobile, but it seems to have a ton of writing systems

[upbeat summit]

I was just about to say it wasn't loading for me

Took its sweet time for sure

…i don't think this will have any information for me that wasn't better presented in charts and images on Wikipedia

pensif

Anyway

[upbeat summit]

This is surreal

There are so few red links around the wiki now

And the obscure word article requests only take up one line

[dark tree]

hmm, maybe it's a cursive psi
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Psi_(letter)

or like lowercase serif or whatever's going on in the top right here

[upbeat summit]

but why

[upbeat summit]

Hmm

Should we have categories for years

Media could be categorized with year released or translated, words with year coined

Could help flesh out the history page

[upbeat summit]

…

we have well over 4 and a half infinities worth of articles

surely there's something else to lipu ponize by now

[split grail]

surely

is mun goid 🥺

good

[split grail]

change to yutu 3

[split grail]

I should maybe on Word articles
Linku is often NOT a good source

often it's correct but cite your shit

not just copypasting it

[split grail]

*not a primary source rather

(all the merits to it bc I work on Linku)

[noble gulch]

I've been kicking around the idea of a rewrite for [[e]].

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/e

[noble gulch]

It's sort of lacking.

I guess the obvious steps are examples and to integrate concepts from the lessons referenced.

[split grail]

yeah that's good

[golden rock]

Linku was an upgrade over nap in the sense that we have edit history and, with some effort, can pinpoint who was responsible for individual bits of data

but youre right that we didnt go as far as to cite everything

[split grail]

it is a basis but not the end point

hmm do you want maybe, to have citations in the data

[upbeat summit]

A lot of the particle articles are, since they were ported from the ... usefulquotes document and expanded a bit before we settled on the word article layout and turned our focus to all the missing content words

la o do e it

[split grail]

@noble gulch uhh you didn't see this yet so

[split grail]

do and it aren't particle, you liar

[upbeat summit]

no like——

mi ponglishing

[vague aspen]

lmao

[upbeat summit]

telo subjective

[split grail]

it is true.,

[upbeat summit]

telo true.,

[grand marten]

telon

[split grail]

one more to add.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/s/4Mt85K3Exi

[upbeat summit]

We should've mentioned, we didn't do the ones in External links that are only images

because we kx

[vague aspen]

who changed the default font for {{sitelen pona}} argh!!!!

[upbeat summit]

I think files are just breaking

Miraheze Moment

[upbeat summit]

…wow there's a lot in [[:Category:Talk pages with unresolved issues]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/:Category:Talk_pages_with_unresolved_issues

[noble gulch]

I'm not sure how to mark issues as resolved.

[upbeat summit]

You just edit the section and remove the template

[noble gulch]

Ok cool.

[split grail]

I found a better description than 'sub-Linku'

nimi.li uses 'marginal' instead of 'not notable'

pls change it to that

[upbeat summit]

Now i want to see someone try to do isipin epiku but with only marginal words

[split grail]

@grand marten as the creator of isipin epiku

you have a new responsibility

[grand marten]

aaaanpa

konsi pasila

[split grail]

calling for a page for [[sitelen Juniko]]

with many possible variations on how to write a character with existing Unicode characters

[grand marten]

n · ken la nasin sitelen pi poki [UCSUR] taso o lon pini

[split grail]

fucking great

[upbeat summit]

uhhuh

[noble gulch]

Yeah they're having problems.

It's very shaky.

[golden rock]

how much would hosting coat if we did it ourselves? im 95% sure its not worth it but im curious

[golden rock]

is it a sitelen tho

[grand marten]

pilin mi la ona li ken lon ilo [Seka] la mani sin ala en mani ale [Juwese] 8.25 taso · taso pali ilo li kama · kin ijo pali ale o pali e sijelo sin

[noble gulch]

lon pilin mi la mani li suli ala. pali li suli.

[upbeat summit]

imo Miraheze is fine i'm just annoyed lili that this li awen happening,,

[noble gulch]

lon a

[upbeat summit]

Anyway

[noble gulch]

ona li pona taso musi.

[upbeat summit]

I made [[Project:lipu pona#Candidates]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Project:lipu_pona#Candidates

[noble gulch]

mi pali suli lon lipu [[Prepositions]].

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Prepositions

[split grail]

@upbeat summit it would be good to use the little boxes with the code abbreviations

..add [[w:Template:Border]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:Border

[grand marten]

@winter sparrow o · mi tu e lipu pi ilo sona li pona seme e ona · [[ChatGPT]] · [[Machine translation]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/ChatGPT
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Machine_translation

[winter sparrow]

tenpo la mi lukin

[split grail]

another template request, for <span style="opacity:0.5;">ijo</span>

{{grayed out|ijo}} or something idk

[upbeat summit]

{{translucent}}?

{{placeholder}}?

Also speaking of UCSUR

…we should probably redirect all those codepoints to their corresponding word articles

Does anyone know of a way to automate that process .

[steep cave]

oh nice, my tool is cited there

[split grail]

yeah....

[split grail]

sure

why not all of them

[upbeat summit]

oh boy, search isn't pulling up any instances of the opacity thing, i think i need to use DPL and regex to generate a list

whyyyy is it not working

{{#dpl:namespace=|includematch=/opacity\:\s*0?\.5/gm}}

I'm pretty sure this is just pulling up. everything.

I guess we just have to replace them as we find them

[noble gulch]

To be able to run sed on the entire text of the wiki...

[upbeat summit]

¿tienes sed?

[noble gulch]

A scriptable text editor.

It could do it on a given article, but to be effective you'd need command line access to the text file representation of an article's source.

I don't know if that's available in miraheze.

[noble gulch]

As far as I know, that is. They may have some workaround, but it'd be a security nightmare for them to allow users to inject arbitrary scripts into their servers.

[upbeat summit]

wha

[noble gulch]

There doesn't seem to be an automated wiki editor, but you could conceivably write a script to alter the text. Then you'd copy it out of the browser, process it with the script, and paste it back in.

[upbeat summit]

well there are mass edit extensions but afaik those can only replace content on existing pages, whereas this is creating a list of pages that like. vlookup over to another list

alter what text, this is creating redirects that don't exist yet

[noble gulch]

I see nevermind: I misunderstood the problem.

I'll shut up now.

[upbeat summit]

awa

[upbeat summit]

wait

i thought of a way

[upbeat summit]

…

i'm going to lose it why doesn't this work

AA

WAITWAITWAIT

AAH

Now i should just be able to generate a list of the codepoints, turn them into wikilinks on a temp page in the editor, and create them all with{{subst:UCSUR redirect}}

[upbeat summit]

mi wawa

Also i'm tired of some of the nimi pu being redirects soo

I think that's gonna make things difficult

or rather the nimi lipu + nimi kule

[upbeat summit]

Caught an issue that was causing this to return Everything

The pool of candidates is now much smaller

Also, the {{Feature}} template should be edited so that it doesn't select articles on any sort of nonstandard topic (articles with nonstandard sections are okay, i had to edit all the templates and make a bunch of categories to handle that) so we don't need to worry about people landing on the main page and being met with some arcane thing no one actually uses

ni la i think we ought to get to lipuponaing some more articles

There's a full automatic list at [[Template:lipu pona candidates]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:lipu_pona_candidates

[upbeat summit]

Heed the information in that embed lol

[golden rock]

@upbeat summit are the pages on that list sorted form best to worst

also whats the algorithm

[upbeat summit]

It just sorts by page creation so older articles don't get lost

[golden rock]

ah got it

[upbeat summit]

The algorithm is purely for which pages to filter out

|includesubpages=no
|namespace=<!--Main-->
|notcategoryregexp=^Unadapted imported pages$
|nottitlematch=Main Page
|notuses=Template:Disambig¦Template:Soft redirect<!--disqualified-->
¦Template:lipu pona<!--already lipu pona-->
¦Template:citation needed¦Template:Empty¦Template:Misleading¦Template:Needs work¦Template:Stub<!--issue templates-->
|ordermethod=firstedit
|redirects=exclude

and then those go into [[Category:Maintenance]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:Maintenance

[golden rock]

got it, so basically it lists all real pages that arent clearly bad

[upbeat summit]

pretty much yeah

Probably good to have a list like this regardless

[golden rock]

yeye

[upbeat summit]

so we can spot articles that really should be marked as clearly bad,,

thats rude uhh

[golden rock]

lol

[upbeat summit]

Re-asking if we can install that linearized sitelen sitelen font, for dearth of options with the nonlinear rendering

[upbeat summit]

…but the version without the text underneath

Where is that and how's it licensed

Would be great to start going =={{tp|sitelen sitelen}}==
The {{tp|[[sitelen sitelen]]}} glyph for {{tp|nimi}} ({{ss|nimi}}) …

and then people could explain to me what the sweetglyphs meeeeaaaan

[split grail]

aa yeah

[split grail]

I Dont Know If They Know

can we somehow ask Gabel,.

[hot trout]

CC BY
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ggCO2iDShXNCTaKhyVlFjDLvHex_oCf8
not as up to date as the ruby one

hm let me actually check the license

No license given for that version of the font

[upbeat summit]

darn

can we reach out

(ughh, Special:WantedPages hasn't updated in days, i want to know how close we are to only 60 of them left)

[split grail]

adds more wanteds

[upbeat summit]

awa

[golden rock]

do we still not want individuals navboxed btw

is it possible to have slightly different colours for sona pona-internal links, vs links to wikipedia?

by default, external links get an extra icon

but the {{w:}} thing ignores that

[upbeat summit]

It is

hrmm

the old external link color is much closer to the new internal link color

[golden rock]

theres a lot of overlap between the sitelen pona navbox and the software navbox
a lot of software is about sitelen pona

[upbeat summit]

.mw-parser-output a.extiw, .mw-parser-output a.external {
  color: #4475CC;
}

.mw-parser-output a.extiw:visited, .mw-parser-output a.external:visited {
  color: #636;
}

yeah still not sure about these color choices

Honestly the whole software side of things is kind of a mess

A lot of those early sorta articles

The actual [[Software]] article is just PeerTube and uhhhh

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Software

[upbeat summit]

https://git.2ki.xyz/spiders/kijetesantakaluotokieni/media/branch/suli/screenshots/ken2.png

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
hey y'know what sucks
as far as i can tell the mobile view doesn't have navboxes nor category bars
the former is a hardcoded class name in MinervaNeue
the latter uhhhh

[vague aspen]

minerva neue can go unpa e sipi

[grand marten]

lon a

taso

· · · n · alasa mi li pini ike · taso · sona mi la mi toki e "o weka e selo pi ilo lili · selo pi ilo suli li pona tawa ilo lili" la kulupu [Menasewi] anu seme li toki e "ala"

[upbeat summit]

When the session data is lost!

[grand marten]

[linuwi] li tawa [linluwi] la [teken] o tawa [sitelen] anu [[Synonyms#teken]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Synonyms#teken

[split grail]

why tho

[regal panther]

for the same reason why external links are marked

if anything it would be nice to get that icon back on wikipedia links, or figure out a way to make the website recognize them as such

[grand marten]

sitelen kin li ken lon poka ona · #1078420779231875203 message

[upbeat summit]

a

{{citation needed}} was making the spacing funny because MediaWiki, in its infinite wisdom, decided to add a paragraph tag somewhere inside

solutionatized

[split grail]

woo

in [[toki pona ASCII syllabary]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/toki_pona_ASCII_syllabary

[upbeat summit]

It looks fine on Real dark mode, i checked

hmm

maybe there's a better way …

what about now @split grail o

[split grail]

now it's alright :>

[upbeat summit]

also how does the one in [[ASCII]] look for you

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/ASCII

[split grail]

pakola

[upbeat summit]

awawa

i was hoping it'd look cooler so i didn't have to fix it

[split grail]

[upbeat summit]

eh it wasn't as bad to fix

It's good now right

[split grail]

wawaer

[upbeat summit]

Do you think it's lipuponable?

There's not really anything to reference, since i got the general information from the Wikipedia article (which is linked right there) and the rest is hubs and guides more than anything

I guess i could look for a source for the term "ASCII transcription"

ah, Linku sheet

[upbeat summit]

The era of only 4 lipu ponæ is over

[split grail]

woo

what is new then

oh

the article [ASCII] is fine, but this part is so empty

[[yupekosi]] is kinda good

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yupekosi

[upbeat summit]

Is there anything else to put there

[split grail]

I don't know

if anything, I think I will just move it the bottom of the page so it's not as bad

see reverse triangle

[split grail]

and if you want a nimi pu, [[mun]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mun

[split grail]

[[Toki Pona logo]] maybe

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Toki_Pona_logo

[split grail]

the colors, I'm fixing rn

what are some good universal examples for them all.,

[noble gulch]

between [[en#History]] and [[Historical_usage#en]], how should we split the info? For now I have them literally identical.

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/en#History
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Historical_usage#en

[noble gulch]

Should the bulk info be in the historical usage article and the section in the en article a stub/pointer?

Or the other way around. The historical usage article seems to mostly break irregular syntax out into its own articles, but this is a weird one.

Also there's some history of the middle portion that's pretty poorly documented. I'm still trawling through that

For a tiny space of time (summer 2002) en was used for "with". Presumably then kan came on the scene and was abandoned in the reform to the modern system.

[noble gulch]

I like the color squares actually, but that jumble for [[jelo]] is also super cool.

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/jelo

[noble gulch]

The color squares are probably the most economical and precise way to convey the information: pona, taso musi ala.

[split grail]

did you call god epiku

that is hilarious

[split grail]

maybe pointing towards en

[split grail]

I only used them because I couldn't find images for the other ones

colour squares probably are more precise
but the jumbles are more concrete

[noble gulch]

The jumbles are very cool.

I love the images for the words.

[split grail]

for me at least, I think that 'historical usage' should give an overview and then if you want to know more, it points towards the other articles

but my brain is rapidly turning into mush due to not sleeping so aaa

[split grail]

try to reduce the content in that article

MENASEWIIIII

unpronounceable

[upbeat summit]

I didn't add that

I don't even have an /ʌ/

[noble gulch]

Ok that makes sense. I had been thinking the other way: that the en article was for current use, and that historical use should be sequestered elsewhere you can go to if you're interested.

[split grail]

who was this menace then

@vague aspen mi fucking Pingo e sina

[upbeat summit]

enko with a y

[split grail]

can we get some Noto Sans Arabic

as a treat

[noble gulch]

sina pona tan ni: sina pana e wawa tawa mi, jan Juwan o!

[upbeat summit]

can we get some Description of the Writing System

i am not an Arabic Knower

I do kNo, tho, Sans

https://tenor.com/view/sans-undertale-gif-23753371

[split grail]

I will Soon™ maybe

or I will eepy

if you see me editing, roll me into a blankie and kiss me goodnight

[upbeat summit]

Wait first how are my [[yupekosi]] edits

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yupekosi

[upbeat summit]

Hopefully informative of the word but not representative of its meaning,,,,

[split grail]

aa

it is good

o lipu pona e ona

[upbeat summit]

mi lo he o e.

[vague aspen]

you mean poak23086[i23ej&(^!(#!@&$_(HEQq0j?

[upbeat summit]

Can and Should we link more contributors on [[Template:Official Toki Pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Official_Toki_Pona

[noble gulch]

Russ Williams contributed the comics on page 71 of the English edition.

Presumably the translators of the various editions should also be named: jan Pensa did Esperanto, and jan Juli did German. I think they had helpers though, and I don't have a copy of either to hand. Sonja herself did the French translation. The illustrators of pu and ku should probably also be named.

[hot trout]

Proofreading German pu: Ret Samys (jan Ke Tami), Sonja Lang (jan Sonja), Sarah Neu (jan Saka)

[noble gulch]

Yara Hindawi gave illustrations to pu and Vacon Sartirani and Lucy Deacon (jan nanpa Lusi) to ku.

[hot trout]

Proofreading French pu: Ludivine Delnatte (jan Lewina), Pascal Blondiau (jan Pasa), Sylvain Lumbroso

[golden rock]

no jan Sonja on this list?

[hot trout]

No, because she translated herself

[noble gulch]

There's all these people from pu and ku.

[hot trout]

Proofreading Esperanto pu: Sonja Lang (jan Sonja), Stephan Schneider (jan Tepan), Robin van der Vliet (jan Lopin). Additionally, the preface (the one with toki pona on one side and the language of the book on the other side) was translated by jan Sonja

[noble gulch]

jan Ne, jan Kapilu, and soweli Nata contributed stand-alone components to ku.

Two poems and the nasin nanpa kijetesantakalu.

[split grail]

so many people

[split grail]

also is this the same jan Juli as in the nasin toki

[hot trout]

Yes

[grand marten]

jan mute pi ni nanpa tu li ni taso → jan [Sonja] li pana e lipu nimi pi toki [Inli] la ona li pana e nimi pi toki [pona]

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
oh wow we really had a near-blank page being redirected to by links from kama sona and tokipona.org for over a month and nopony said anything

[split grail]

what

nopony
:anpa:

omg, we're on tokipona.org

Sonja hiiiiii

[winter sparrow]

nice

[split grail]

truly

[split grail]

instead, can we bother the people to fix the links

I'm gonna reformat the pages for [[learning resources]] and [[cheat sheets]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/learning_resources
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/cheat_sheets

[split grail]

also uploading to Commons what I can

[golden rock]

brb making it redirect to never gonna give you up

[grand marten]

nimi linluwi kulijo li kama ala ante

[split grail]

jkhgfhjk

sona

[split grail]

Blinry's cheat sheets reems to be all CC0
that's cool, I think I can just put them all directly in the page

[split grail]

I fixed it a bit

I have a small issue with these kinds of things, they are so empyt..

now mi lape

after doing the bare minimum

[hot trout]

sina pali mute a

[grand marten]

eNKIIIIIIII

mi pali e SITELEN taso tan MUSI

n · mi o musi kin

[vague aspen]

citation needed

[grand marten]

Nitation Ceded

[split grail]

mi ko e sina lon anpa noka mi 🩷

[upbeat summit]

tan seme? mi a li wile e ni smh

[grand marten]

anpa

[golden rock]

adfkjslkgsdj

i knew about the joke

i didn't realise yall actually put that there

[grand marten]

kijetesantakalu [Enki] li ni

la mi pana e https://youtu.be/uKeKuaJ4nlw

la ona li pana e tan aaaaa

lon la mun [Kekan San] li Twink ala li Twinkle

[vague aspen]

please tag me if you need to

if someone refers to me without pinging me i go

[grand marten]

mi toki e sina li toki ala tawa sina laaa

[vague aspen]

sina toki e mi la sina toki tawa mi a

[grand marten]

mi toki tan sina

tan ike sina

ike wawa la sina pana ala e sitelen ,

[vague aspen]

ni li ike ala

[grand marten]

li like a

[vague aspen]

li llike ala

[grand marten]

li ke a

[proven valve]

ke

usage

obscure (ku lili)

description

sina pilin pona la, sina pilin oke. ijo li pona tawa sina la, o toki e ni: "ke!" sina wile e ijo? sina wile la, o toki e ni: "ke."

see also

oke, n

[vague aspen]

li ke a ✅

[golden rock]

I've updated [[Linku]] to list all the things we have

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Linku

[golden rock]

fucking love the triple Linku logo

how many times can you say Linku without getting sick

and yes, im sorry to whoever is gonna have to change my links to references or whatever else

[grand marten]

mi la nimi laso pi ma ante li pona

[split grail]

we have images
they are all fucked up

are they all like this

[[tu]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/tu

[split grail]

heck

[[ilo sona Like]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/ilo_sona_Like

[split grail]

WHY

[split grail]

mi la ike

[[w:Template:anchor]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:anchor

[split grail]

useful maybe

[split grail]

for funsies, is can we have a diagram of the whole architecture of Linku, there's so much stuff

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
i actually enabled them because i wanted reference previews because i wanted to screenshot the funny twink citation
honestly there's probably a lot of extensions that we could make use of that i just haven't looked into much

[grand marten]

ken la ilo [Discord] li lukin e ona lon tenpo poka li wile ala lon tenpo ni

[split grail]

aaaa

sona

[grand marten]

Tang Semmer

[split grail]

1. ugly ass arrows
   b. succeptible to link rot
2. following Wikipedia's MOS

abababababa

I am okay with them in lists, but in the middle of text feels not great

[grand marten]

wan la · sina wile ala e sitelen ni la o ante e ona
sina la · n · ken la ilo sin {{Link}}
po la · mi lipu [Wikipedia] ala li ken ante lon wile · mi ken pana e sitelen pi nasin pana wawa ala · mi ken toki e nimi lili meli mije tonsi lon poka pi nimi suli lon ala poki lili sewi · mi ken pana e linja weka

[grand marten]

a ken

[split grail]

so then, I replace them with references or move them to 'external links'

[dark tree]

i think the external link arrow should become the word "weka" in sitelen pona

/hj

(i think this is a good idea and also a funny idea)

[split grail]

gjsldfksdf noooo

okay so, you know how if you do [[w:Example]] it links to Wikipedia, can we have a way to link to the Mario Wiki without having it be an external link? [[mario:Example]] or something

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Example
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mario:Example

[split grail]

we have at least two (2) references to it, so that would be helpful I think

ENKIIIIIIIIIIII

at least you cited it, true

@safe stag shame this menace

[grand marten]

nasin tu li lon · wan la o poki pi kule .mw-plainlinks e nasin weka · tu la o toki e wile nimi pi wiki ni tawa kulupu [Miraheze]

[safe stag]

this is sufficiently funny but i regret to inform those involved that this is misinformation
i am not a tokiponist, i am a tokiponer

[split grail]

[split grail]

ni la mi o seme,.

[grand marten]

sina la mi tawa ala tawa wiki malijo lon tenpo kama

mi la ala

[split grail]

aaaaa

tawa

[grand marten]

la sina ken toki e wile lon https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal

[split grail]

I have no clue how to ask it

(as in wording, what are we trying to get at, I know that it's just a help desk)

[grand marten]

sama ni https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal#Interwiki_Request_for_Pandora's_Tale_Wiki_(Again)

[golden rock]

more or less this rn

[split grail]

hm yes I understand

[golden rock]

or to make it more readable

[split grail]

fully

thank you

the Linku | dataset

[golden rock]

sldfkglkj

fiiine

[split grail]

what is our prefix anyway

mh:sonapona anu seme

[golden rock]

assume all yellow bits use all blue bits

[split grail]

assuming that

now the hard part: making it pretty

[split grail]

mi pana e wile

[noble gulch]

What's the difference between [[Word order]] and [[Sentence structure]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Word_order
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Sentence_structure

[noble gulch]

Should they be merged?

[hot trout]

a ona o ni

[split grail]

o ni

[noble gulch]

mi wile ni.

[grand marten]

@split grail o · nasin ni li seme tawa sina ↓
· lipu [Recommended learning resources] li tawa nimi [Learning resources] ·
· ijo pi lipu [Learning resources] li tawa nimi [Learning resources/All] anu li tawa anpa pi lipu ni nanpa wan ·

[split grail]

ni li ike tawa mi

[grand marten]

a

[split grail]

mi wile ala poki sama len e lipu

[grand marten]

mi wile

[split grail]

[grand marten]

tan ni → jan sin li tawa lipu li lukin lili taso li kama kepeken ale li kama ike

n

[split grail]

toki lon sewi lipu [Learning resources] li toki e ni: 'lipu pona li lon lipu [Recommended learning resources]'

[grand marten]

taso ni li lili

[split grail]

font-size: 7000px

[grand marten]

poka la
[sona pona:Learning resources]
pi suwi a lukin

[split grail]

aa

[grand marten]

poki kule mute

[split grail]

ken????

jsflksdjfsd

[grand marten]

-a sona pakala mi la ijo pi mute ike li lon lipu [RLR]

taso awen la mi wile suwi e lukin

[sona pona:Learn]

[split grail]

nn

sona

[split grail]

ijo seme

[grand marten]

nasin pi kama sona

lawa mi la ona li mute mute mute · taso lon la mute taso

[split grail]

aa

mi lukin ike. sona

[vague aspen]

tongue twister

[vague aspen]

we should use this instead

#957016108781682759 message

(you need the archive surfer role for that)

[split grail]

fkdhkdhffkfbd

[vague aspen]

imo we shouldn’t censor the info about jan Kekan San

[split grail]

CENSOR?

did you add 'twink' back

w/destroy @vague aspen

w/bann @vague aspen

[vague aspen]

you mean !bhan

[split grail]

||all this is /j||

[vague aspen]

yeah ik

[split grail]

true

[vague aspen]

do you remember that one time when Tonyu bhanned everyone

[split grail]

I do not

possibly because I wasn't here

[vague aspen]

i have fantastic news for you

[vague aspen]

it was in ma ante pi ijo ante

the server which i left but i want to go back to it for some reason

[split grail]

i am fcknig criyygn

[vague aspen]

user canceled because of a mistype

[split grail]

oh

we have our own edit wars, musi

[vague aspen]

utala ante

[split grail]

after days, this file is finally fixed thanks to user C. Suthorn
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKITONGUES-_jan_Tepo_and_jan_Lakuse_speaking_Toki_Pona.webm

everyone go thank them

I'm creating subtitles now

as in, editing the ones Tepo gave me sjdlfksjdf

[vague aspen]

wait are they in love or something

[split grail]

(why do you ask)

[vague aspen]

idk

[split grail]

the toki pona ones are fine, but for some reason they decided to translate literally the toki pona text, which is not what Wikitongues does and also it sounds terrible

[split grail]

what do you call these poki kala

in English

[dark tree]

pool...?

artificial pond... hmm

[split grail]

POND

poki kala

it's a bit hard to translate toki pona to English and make it sound,.. good

phrases to know:

• anu seme
• o sona e ni

I can only say 'right' so many times

and 'know this' sounds awkward

[dark tree]

are you going for a direct translation to give people an idea of how toki pona functions, or a natural translation that can depart significantly?

or a balance

[split grail]

natural translation

[dark tree]

right, or what, [just putting a question mark]

[split grail]

aa

[dark tree]

"you sure about that?"

[split grail]

fjdsklfs

[dark tree]

"is it?"

[split grail]

also also

this is just my brain not loading

how do you translate 'ona li mu nasa' this is talking about a goose

it honked (at me)??

[dark tree]

hmm
that could be like
observing that geese sound weird

"that's a weird sound"

[split grail]

nooo

what is the verbbbbbbb

[dark tree]

honk is a verb

[split grail]

the better one

[dark tree]

quack?

i don't understand the question djdhdh

made a sound

[split grail]

aaaaaa

mi ni

o sona e ni → get this

[dark tree]

fyi, heads up, be aware

consider the following

"Canadian bird" might be "Canada goose"

[dark tree]

may be appropriate to just say
terrible bird called the Canada goose

[split grail]

sure

do you want to be in VC seeing me spiral into insanity over this

[dark tree]

hmm where are my headphones

i do

[split grail]

this is 8 minutes long, it's like what,.. mute minutes to subtitle

yapppiiee

[dark tree]

mi o toki lon seme

[split grail]

aaa

sona ala

#352626791455916052 li pona ala pona

[dark tree]

pona

[split grail]

@outer stirrup ma Kojote

[safe stag]

@grand marten lipu Sona li ni

mi ken ala pana
ona li pana ala e ijo pana
seme

[safe stag]

@split grail mY bRoThEr iN cHrIsT

[mighty seal]

received this email from a professor in Brunei:

Do you know which educational institutions have taught end/or are teaching Toki Pona in the world? There is an official list of these institutions?

i remember there was one in Switzerland and others... is there a page on the wiki for this, or can we create one please?

[upbeat summit]

If anyone can recall specific names then definitely, that would be really useful

[grand marten]

a mi sona ala e lon pi utala ni

li sona ala weka e ona

[golden rock]

@split grail @upbeat summit if you're ever going to touch Linku surveys or usage categories

survey results are now all uploaded here:
https://github.com/lipu-linku/ijo/tree/main/survey

[split grail]

dkfddkhd

[split grail]

what the heck

I've never had a Captcha with it

[grand marten]

tan ni → sina wawa

[split grail]

sadly I don't know of that
there's the page for gatherings where, a lot of unis in NA like to teach toki pona

[split grail]

mi wawer

[grand marten]

sina wawest

[golden rock]

someone fix the [[panke]] redirect, it goes to pipolo not panke

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/panke

[split grail]

fixed

[dark tree]

iirc there was a toki pona class at MIT for a bit?

it might be a different school that has a similar vibe in my head

here's a single session, not a recurring thing
https://web.mit.edu/iap/www/iap03/searchiap/iap-4635.html

from... 5 Nov 2002?!

and here's a 4-day class from 2007
https://web.mit.edu/iap/www/iap08/searchiap/iap-4635.html

both times, sponsored by the esperanto society

here's a single session in France taught by jan Pitaki
https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/comments/pmyx5l/toki_pona_taught_at_university/

[split grail]

wawa

[split grail]

mi wile sona e ni: lipu pi mi taso la mi wile pana e lipu ale mi. seme la mi ni?