sona.pona.la

[split grail]

oh I just see that

for me, on Firefox, the Toki Pona Forums is broken
but on Chrome, it is functional

please we desperately need a bot to archive the website

[split grail]

in [[History]], there are multiple sections with just a line saying 'x person published x article in x newspaper + reference', should I move all of them to [[Media coverage]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/History
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Media_coverage

[split grail]

then, do I order it by date or by name

two versions

[upbeat summit]

Siobhan, nooooooooo!!
You aren't supposed to capitalize the first letter (in the "You say tomato…" section)

Dang, do we have any specific information on the other usages this article mentions

The Coloradan computer game, the conlang concert

[split grail]

the what

omg.....................

I don't know

[upbeat summit]

I do think those should be mentioned in History, citing the article

[split grail]

okie...

so then

abababababab

we should try to find more info before that

this is such a silly image

[upbeat summit]

psst hey listen i wanna tell you a secret

*klaxon*

…i don't know

i am very tired

Also with how this community talks about jo, the sentence "Ale li jo e tenpo" is very interesting

because i'm trained to think it must be a very purposeful and uncalquey use of the word,,

Not just everything has a time, but everything stakes a claim to a time, dedicating that time to itself

thonkin

[split grail]

that is sure a way to phrase it

the European Parlament talked about toki pona??

[upbeat summit]

Tell me you're in the habit of archiving these btw

Should the history article be past-tensed?

[split grail]

what parts of it

[split grail]

I forgor

we need a bot for that because I am too slow to do that

[upbeat summit]

we do

but also

if you make a bookmark and set this as the URL

javascript:void(location.href='https://web.archive.org/save/'+location.href);

then whenever you press it it'll archive the currently viewed webpage

[split grail]

o

[upbeat summit]

there is also an official Wayback Machine browser extension but bookmarklets still work across browsers and on mobile and stuff, i think

[split grail]

can you put a bookmark in the toolbar

[upbeat summit]

i mean

it depends on your brouser

but probably i think

[split grail]

we are both Firefox

silly

[upbeat summit]

then yeas

[split grail]

how 🥺

[upbeat summit]

in the Library

you can go to All Bookmarks > Bookmarks Toolbar

[split grail]

ahh

oh,,.

I thought it could be like in the side like next to the icons maybe

let me try something thne

a

it worked yappii

[upbeat summit]

You can add a Bookmarks button to the toolbar and add it under Bookmarks Menu

[split grail]

yippee

[upbeat summit]

wha how

[split grail]

it just did that

also also

maybe I can use it as a shortcut

[upbeat summit]

That must be a new feature, i've never seen that before

[split grail]

like I set it up as way2 and then it goes to the page

[upbeat summit]

You can put other buttons in the bookmarks toolbar!?

When did this happen

[split grail]

gjsdlfks

idk

[upbeat summit]

How did you get them to only show up as icons

When i try to do that it insists on showing labels

[split grail]

this is way easier heck yeah

what is the shortcut to select and jump to the searchbar Ctrl + L

[upbeat summit]

yeah i use that all the time

[split grail]

I should too

[upbeat summit]

o do

[split grail]

so many edits

[upbeat summit]

i'm going year-by-year

and urgh, can Wikipesijærs only write in passive voice or something

[split grail]

literally

[split grail]

I wanna help but I know that edit conflicts are such a pain

[upbeat summit]

i'll be fine

this time,,

also i'm looking at these Wikipedia article deletion nominations

and so much of the rationale is so bad

[split grail]

I didn't even look,

[upbeat summit]

This was not even a decade ago

[split grail]

toki pakaler from them

[upbeat summit]

Okay this was slightly over a decade ago

2013

you get what i'm saying

although it is pretty hilarious that people thought the language was abandoned like you did not know what was coming next year

but like,,

[grand marten]

mi kepeken ilo [Web Archives] tan ni → ilo mi li kama ala jo e lipu kepeken tenpo lili la ilo pi kulupu [Internet Archive] li kama pilin e ni → lipu ni li lon ala ← li tawa lipu ilo ona

kin ilo mi li sona e ilo awen mute

[upbeat summit]

• Keep. It is the only conlang I know of that was used as a base for an independent art form called sitelen sitelen, a fascinating non-linear hieroglyphic writing system which is notable in itself. http://jonathangabel.com/projects/t47 this Toki Pona article needs revamping, not deletion.

this is not

what notability means??

[split grail]

gjdslkfs

they thought it was over, until the Book came

[upbeat summit]

i'm a tokiponer and i don't think i could make a solid case for sitelen sitelen being notable "in itself", outside of warranting a description on the Toki Pona article

i can't recall seeing any media coverage of it specifically

"i think it's pretty therefore it needs an encyclopedia entry" is not logisch help me i thought it was only this wild on the Bowser talkpage

silly me,

anuway

[split grail]

oh god

[upbeat summit]

I've privately asked a few active people if they would be interested in managing Toki Pona. It's an option I need to consider.

wtf she was going to abandon it after all

oh shit i'm still barely through this page

and i gotta go

@split grail you get to help after all 👁️

[split grail]

jsglksjdfs

owe looking

[split grail]

oh

[upbeat summit]

to think

we could have an Adoptive Mama pi Toki Pona

[split grail]

truee

[split grail]

oh lord I did not know this at all

I love it so much gjsdklfjsdfskjdf

'don't flatter yourself, you petty non-academic' will now enter my vocabulary

[upbeat summit]

more people need to know about this video

[split grail]

for notes that we have transferred to sona pona, should we go back and change them.,

[upbeat summit]

wha

@split grail explanate

[split grail]

like uh

the begining of ... li would point to the article [[li]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/li

[upbeat summit]

oh uh

[split grail]

truly

[split grail]

uploading [[c:Category:Toki Pona pronunciations by kala Asi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Toki_Pona_pronunciations_by_kala_Asi

[split grail]

it is supposed to be working...

Pattypan is just a bit slow

now we'll have pronunciations for almost all words

all notable words

huh.

going to bed now, I hope that it works still

[upbeat summit]

https://sona.pona.la/w/index.php?title=Special:Moderation&folder=rejected this is pluralphobia right

do we block that IP

[grand marten]

lili la mi wile lukin e ante kama ona

[upbeat summit]

ona li alasa weka e paragraph ni tan lipu [kulupu]

[grand marten]

sona

taso ona li lukin ala lukin e weka weka lon suno kama li mu ala mu lon lipu toki

[upbeat summit]

msx

[grand marten]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Sony_HitBit_HB-10P_(White_Background).jpg

[upbeat summit]

kin, mi sona ala

[grand marten]

ilo MSX

li ilo pi nasin pi toki pona

[golden rock]

this is a lil confusing

listing both "la lingvo de bono" and then "Tokipono"

"translated" may be misinterpreted as, oh, that's what speakers of Esperanto/French/German tend to call it

[noble gulch]

I've read it in its entirety and could edit an article on it; what's the idea of the purpose of such an article? Presumably a summary is in order? Characters?

Has anyone solved all the puzzles in it?

[zinc hazel]

where I presume it'd be like a game article on English Wikipedia

it's obviously relevant possibly

with the encyclopedia thingies saying like

Development
Reception
Impact
Gameplay
Reception
External Links
References

I haven't yet had experience so what the thingies would say would depend

[split grail]

I uploaded [[c:File:R-place 2022 - Toki Pona.png]], not sure how to licence this however

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:R-place_2022_-_Toki_Pona.png

[split grail]

it is as {{PD-shapes}} rn, which I don't know if is correct at all

it gets weirder for art more ahead, because it's a community project.,

uh for now uhm

@charred otter is it okay to use your art from r/place
(I think that it was you who made this, unless I read the messages on that thread wrong, then sorry I am so eepy rn, insomnia )

[[c:File:Kijetesantakalu lon ma tomo Win.jpg]] ← this too by Ke Tami, I assume the licence which is not right but like aaaa

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Kijetesantakalu_lon_ma_tomo_Win.jpg

[split grail]

otherwise, I think it funny that there is a [[c:Category:/r/Place]] but there's only the logos, palettes, blank and, of course, tokey bona

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:%2Fr%2FPlace

[split grail]

oh that too

[charred otter]

oh yea thats an old version though

[split grail]

I am, aware

I will also include that as a original version and then the final one

this innit

[charred otter]

i think there was a heart on the right with italy? but maybe not

but yeah if its up to me (i dont really know how it works for a collaborative thing like r/place) you can use it for whatever

[split grail]

i dont really know how it works for a collaborative thing like r/place
literally

if people come to me complaining or delete the image, then I will know

I will go fuck around and find out

[charred otter]

sounds like the best choice there is

what's it being used for btw?

or is it just a file to use on the wiki wherever it's applicable

[split grail]

wiki yeah

uploading it here would mean that anyone could use it

[[c:File:R-place 2022 - Toki Pona (final).png]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:R-place_2022_-_Toki_Pona_(final).png

[charred otter]

alright awesome

[upbeat summit]

…are you gonna put them on the article or should i

[upbeat summit]

A sitelen pona font for sitelen pona is created by jan Wesi.

okay the whole jan headnoun thing makes it very longwinded to talk about multiple people with uncreatively headnouned Toki Pona names

and i have a really bad idea that i'm not actually going to use

jan Elin, jan Wena, jan Male, jan Mimoku, jan Tomi, jan Piki, jan Jana, jan Mika, jan Masin

jans Elin, Wena, Male, Mimoku, Tomi, Piki, Jana, Mika, Masin

it is English-language text with names loaned from Toki Pona into English,,,, you should be able to,,,,

[golden rock]

anu Elin, anu Wena, anu Male, anu Mimoku, anu Tomi, anu Piki, anu Jana, anu Mika, anu Masin -> ...

sorry my humour descends to that of a child sometimes

[upbeat summit]

i don't get it :pensive:

[golden rock]

||an englishy plural of anu would be anus||

[upbeat summit]

oh

||or anues?||

[split grail]

||ani||

[golden rock]

ive gone through 354 videos

im left with 192

[upbeat summit]

for wha

[golden rock]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXextl70wJUo9xJ0VzECLXb3smiroQDT8U2_aAb_ycM/edit#gid=0

for something as simple as copying the timestamp, author, and video title, this is weirdly tiring

[split grail]

because you are literally doing the same thing over and over and over

[golden rock]

true but its weird this takes so long

[split grail]

what was created

[golden rock]

[split grail]

soweli,.

[golden rock]

im gonna introduce a distinction between covers (i.e. singing the same song) and translations (singing a song that youve translated)

[split grail]

yeah

that makes sense

[upbeat summit]

I think we could make some articles for nonstandard resources like yu, r/OffThePu (which allegedly came up with a lot of SP glyphs that are still the main ones in fonts today), etc., just to have them documented with the same care as other parts of the language's development

If anyone can think of similar things to write about, consider should do that ing

[split grail]

MENASEWI DID YOU GET THAT IMAGE FROM DEPTHS OF WIKIPEDIA

so precious

[split grail]

it would be good

also a list as a collection of these sources

all resources off the top of my head (both standard? and not)

• Linku
• nimi ali epiku (rip)
• nimi ale pona
• nimi ale
• r/OffThePu
• yu

!!

[random sable]

Reminder for @split grail

Reminder from YAGPDB

Commons: rename sijelo and selo

[split grail]

i did thank u

[split grail]

can this be in the animal article section for dogs haha jk jk

[split grail]

can we have a 'Wikipesija has an article for this in toki pona taso' template

because the article in history is already there so like
https://wikipesija.org/wiki/kama_sona_pi_toki_pona_lon_ma_Elopa

I will write about it in sona pona too

[split grail]

[[kama kulupu Etoso]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/kama_kulupu_Etoso

[split grail]

for some reason, on Wikipesija, you can see the video embed, but not on sona pona

@outer stirrup sina sona ala sona e tan

[split grail]

can someone download this for me 👉👈
youtube-dl is being stupid

I got it nvm

omg... kokosila in 2016

apparently there were two EToSos...

many of these have Wikipedia articles in Esperanto oh wow

I also need to link to the Esperanto Wikipedia...

[split grail]

someone should maybe make another Toki Pona Wikitongues

the one currently up is from like 2018, that's what? two decades ago?

[flint rover]

@itsmuffiiee (not on this server)

it also made this gif:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816211348689518603/940385980479832135/Untitled_Artwork.gif

[split grail]

look at them go <3

[flint rover]

It is a moderador in my toki pona server (Learn Toki Pona). It draws a lot and we talk sometimes

Can I tell It about the mascots article?

[split grail]

sure

if it agrees to share the GIF, that would be cool to

[split grail]

it was added! we have to compete and add a luka pona video too ofc
[[c:File:Toki luka lon tenpo moku.webm]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Toki_luka_lon_tenpo_moku.webm

[outer stirrup]

mi PALI taso kulupu li pana ala tawa ilo jutu aa

[split grail]

o
https://wikitongues.org/videos/tepo-lakuse_20220709_wtpn/

aah

@outer stirrup @rugged torrent kulupu Wikiton li pana e sitelen sina tawa lipu Jutu la sina ken ala ken e ni: mi pana e ona lon lipu sitelen Wikimesija

[golden rock]

wikitongues -> wikitonsi

[split grail]

true!!!!!

tonsi wiki li pana e sona tawa wiki tonsi

[outer stirrup]

ken

[flint rover]

the gif is way too convenient for the article

[split grail]

too convenient,.?

[flint rover]

I mean, it is several mascots right there, fully animated 😆

it would be very fitting, I think that's a better word

[split grail]

ahhh

true true

[split grail]

it's kinda weird how in sitelen pona, the writing direction in combined glyphs became bottom-to-top left-to-right

anyway [[Number glyphs]] time

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Number_glyphs

[split grail]

no wait

[[Number systems]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Number_systems

[split grail]

sorry

[golden rock]

✨ or you could be me and just not use combined glyphs ✨

[split grail]

that's a silly idea

<3

[split grail]

(why does it take so long to change formats of videos, I'm sobbing) I published it to Commons and I'm gonna try to add subtitles :>
[[c:File:WIKITONGUES- jan Tepo and jan Lakuse speaking Toki Pona.webm]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:WIKITONGUES-_jan_Tepo_and_jan_Lakuse_speaking_Toki_Pona.webm

[split grail]

oh

the video is broken.

the converter just cut halfway thru and I didn't notice

I am going insane

[split grail]

since the video needs subtitles, until my laptop finalises converting it, I'm on YouTube trying to add subtitles to it, yapppiii

why must you all speak so fast and also the audio quality fails in some parts of it, like aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[grand marten]

mi la ona li S ala li N

[grand marten]

a

n

[flint rover]

Here is a numbering system that I “made” 2 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/tokipona/s/1qOev4HU3u

[split grail]

so true

the best parts is when there's laughter, because then I can do

[rugged torrent]

@split grail WE HAVE SUBTITLES

THEY ARE EXISTING

o pali suli ala!

[split grail]

almost three minutes in

at least that is good because I can't understand some of the stuff you two say

[rugged torrent]

mi o alasa e ona

o sona: mi pana e sitelen tawa ni lon tenpo sike pini

tenpo mute li weka

[split grail]

a

sina sijelo lon lipu Topo la sina ken lukin e nimi toki

[outer stirrup]

@split grail

[split grail]

sina pona aa

hilarious

[outer stirrup]

n o kama lukin e poki pi ijo ale lon ilo kuko poki https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BRwELV5R5HECM6uIK98yfCnSfiVIseDB?usp=sharing

[split grail]

pona a

ante tan nasin MP4 tawa nasin WEBM li wile e tenpo suuuuullliiiiii

[outer stirrup]

-c copy la seme

nasin webm li wile tan seme

[split grail]

tan Wikimedia Commons

jan li lawa e nasin MP4. ona li wile ala e ni

[outer stirrup]

a lon la ona li wile suli ala e nasin webm li wile e nasin vp9

[split grail]

o

[outer stirrup]

nasin webm en nasin mp4 li nasin poki taso, ijo insa li ken nasin mute kin

[split grail]

lon

nasin poki MP4 li ike tawa ona

did Lakuse use 'te' here and should that be noted maybe

so tragic that they were attacked by geese

kin la ma Kojote li seme

ma soweli

[vague aspen]

i’m honored to be here

[vague aspen]

why does this dog look like “bit fruity”

[split grail]

omg. ,

that is true

[split grail]

this is meeeeee

not a bit, a lot fruity

[vague aspen]

very fruity

[upbeat summit]

This is me

[upbeat summit]

[[Template:Wikipesija]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Wikipesija

[upbeat summit]

Could someone upload a cropped version of the logo without the Latin text underneath? Looks kinda rough as-is

[upbeat summit]

(also i have heard good things about https://cobalt.tools)

[upbeat summit]

Seems this had the same idea https://old.reddit.com/r/OffThePu/comments/l7jemh/updated_1b_glyphs/

[zinc hazel]

makes sense to me

[split grail]

@upbeat summit putting two of them together breaks it

well not breaks it, but like you get it

[upbeat summit]

grr

[split grail]

gjsdklfsd

==External links==
{{Wikipedia}}
{{Wikipesija}}
...

this was the wikitext ↑

[upbeat summit]

fixed

[split grail]

yappi

ah lovely

[upbeat summit]

{{clear}} is useful for that

[split grail]

oh true

[split grail]

OKAY so

once AGAIN

sobbing.,.,...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

now to compress the file

[split grail]

WHY does every app want me to spend money

[upbeat summit]

oh are you kidding me :P

i waited all this time for the wanted pages cache to refresh

and we're at 101

I want so bad for there to be less than ale left :3

[split grail]

fjsdklfsd

[upbeat summit]

you know. a finite amount

[split grail]

@upbeat summit on some word articles, should we maybe excluse weird nimisin

not from the wiki, but move them to a new article

like [obscure words] or something

[upbeat summit]

if you find it prudent

[split grail]

yeah

[upbeat summit]

ah wait i thought you meant moving them to individual articles

[split grail]

or that

[upbeat summit]

that'd be more of a Thing to agree on i think

[grand marten]

o kepeken pi ilo [Handbrake]

[split grail]

o

sina wawa

[split grail]

yeah. that would be weird kinda

[grand marten]

ale la sina wile e ilo pi nasa esun ala la o alasa lon poka pi nimi github

[split grail]

because like, it does feel weird mentioning these obscure words on word articles. the target audience is people that don't know them right? so then even with saying that oh it's obscure and not used, we kinda are putting a spotlight on it

[upbeat summit]

this was why i wanted to put historical stuff in a collapsible :P

[split grail]

something something Wikipedia guidelines, something something 'the article on Earth should not talk about flat Earth theories' idk idr

[split grail]

collapsibles don't feel like the right thing yknow,,

[grand marten]

Numbers/Obscure

[upbeat summit]

[[Nonstandard number words]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Nonstandard_number_words

[split grail]

[[List of obscure words]] anu seme

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/List_of_obscure_words

[grand marten]

taso o tawa e ona

lon pi insa pi pi pi ona

[upbeat summit]

but then we have to double up on the non-related words

and and

"obscure" is mainly used on here as a Linku term

and we'd have to update it every year

[split grail]

true,,,,,,,,,,

[upbeat summit]

and make articles for the other tiers,,,,

[split grail]

what to do then

[upbeat summit]

hmm

List of nonstandard words by relation to standard words?

[grand marten]

Nonstandard:penpo

[split grail]

very long title

but like

[grand marten]

Archive:
Sandbox:
n

[split grail]

...............................sure

[split grail]

enko nimi sin tan seme

[split grail]

unless there is a better idea, ni li pona

although while this said

some of the related words are okay in my opinion like

a, lukin, sin → kin, oko, namako
oke → ke, oki
natu → aka, eki
? mu → nja, jonke
? kalama → kalamARR, kuntu
? lukin → lokon
[somewhere here is the cutoff not sure how]
? lape → slape
? jan → jans
sin → nu

maybe because I've never heard nu in my life

[split grail]

mi kama jo e ona. ni la mi o seme

[grand marten]

o kepeken pi

[split grail]

mi li pi kama pi jo e pi ona. ni la mi o pi seme.

HAI ruined me, everytime I write 'sitelen pona' I read it in Sam's voice

[grand marten]

o pana e sitelen lon ona o ante e ijo o nena e luka pi pali

[split grail]

luka pi pali

jan Kita o sina toki pona taso a o toki pi pona mute a

[split grail]

mi ni

can we have [[w:Template:Key press]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:Key_press

[split grail]

because [[Keyboard layouts]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Keyboard_layouts

[split grail]

I reduced the quality to 720p but it is still too big

only by a little bit

4,5 GB now

I only have to shave off 0,5 GB

wait hold on

[split grail]

maybe I can upload it

just not direclty from my PC but with a link?

[split grail]

@outer stirrup sorry for bothering again 👉👈

[grand marten]

ilo [Discord] li ken ala https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Copyupload-allowed-domains

[split grail]

😭 ok

great

[grand marten]

ma [Miraheze] la ale li ken anu seme · (taso ona li lili li wile ala awen e sitelen pi suli ni anu seme)

[split grail]

ale li ken

a

[grand marten]

a!

[split grail]

also, you will not believe which dumbass just created a video with no sound

[split grail]

@grand marten sina wile pana e pona tawa mi la lipu ale li lon ni

[split grail]

can someone move [[ali pona]] to [[User:Vivi The Vivi Shark Rawr/ali pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/ali_pona

[split grail]

I don't have the permissions

[grand marten]

mi li ni

(sina wile ala wile e ken)

[split grail]

wile

mi li pi wawa

[grand marten]

mi ni e sina

[split grail]

[[sike]] [[sin]] [[pona]] 🩷

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sike
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sin
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/pona

[grand marten]

ona li pali sin e ona :anpa:

[split grail]

tell them to not

but also hapi new year go, not edit stuff for.now

YOU'RE IN POLAND IT'S 1 A.M. GO PARTY OR SOMETHING???

[grand marten]

mi tawa ma [VRChat] lon tenpo poka

[split grail]

ggod

good

o musi

[upbeat summit]

https://sona.pona.la/w/index.php?title=Special:WantedPages&limit=100&offset=0

WE DID IT

2024 is the year of less than 100 wanted pages!! Apparently!

[upbeat summit]

has anyone done this https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking

[split grail]

omg
,.

[split grail]

jan ale li ken lawa e soweli Miki

[hot trout]

ala
jan Mewika li ken

kulupu Miraheze li lon ma Juke la jan Miki li ken ala lon ona kepeken nasin sama

[golden rock]

[split grail]

[split grail]

eheheh (x)

[golden rock]

nice

sona + pona = spoona

[split grail]

ilo moku

[golden rock]

what does this page achieve? https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Wikis

that individual pages on lipu Wikipesija and on sona pona don't

[split grail]

I don't know

people don't know what wikis there are so they go to that page

but that is a bit silly so it should be merged into a bigger article

[[websites]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/websites

[split grail]

for [[keyboards]] we need to get images of the layouts instead of, this

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/keyboards

[vague aspen]

i agree

pull out the unifont

are pngs alright? i’d like to upload as an svg but idk if it’s a good idea

i’ll try tho

[split grail]

pngs are fine yeah

[vague aspen]

i made SVGs of the layouts lacking them

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:Lentan's_leyboard_layout

[vague aspen]

aaaaaa

[[File:Lentan's mobile layout]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:Lentan's_mobile_layout

[vague aspen]

(append .svg to the end)

[split grail]

ah

can you try and find screenshots of the keyboard instead maybe

[vague aspen]

i can re-upload them with the font being normal

done

fixed the background problem and the font problem

@split grail can you check if it works normal on your phone?

[split grail]

alright sure

[vague aspen]

that’s the intended look. ok thanks it works

[north idol]

sry abt that

it;s just that i rly like this invention yk

i made a whole server dedication to it too

@split grail you understand where im' coming from?

[north idol]

also when ap gets noticed or get's bigger. then, can i move ali pona to the mainspace?

@split grail ?

[upbeat summit]

It's on [[Usages]] so i filled it in

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Usages

[split grail]

yeah I get it

[split grail]

sure

[split grail]

my muscle memory fails me because
now I have to learn to type 2024-01 instead of 2023-12

[upbeat summit]

why don't computers have a shortcut that does that

[split grail]

because

..I could actually make one, that would be a lot easier

but I'm lazy to go and google how to do that in Espanso

[split grail]

o, can we add that thingy to every page

[grand marten]

https://espanso.org/docs/matches/extensions/#date-extension

[split grail]

did you know that you're super cute and awesome

<3

[grand marten]

a-ala a!!

(lon la mi sitelen e nimi tu taso lon ilo alasa)

ilo [Espanso] li pona tawa lukin mi

ken la mi o kepeken ona o kepeken ala ilo [AutoHotkey]

[upbeat summit]

@grand marten what do you think, shall we waste the extra line :P

[grand marten]

a pilin mi la ona li lon

[upbeat summit]

thats a yes right

we can't all be tokiponers,,,,

[grand marten]

"oh i thought it was (already) there"

[upbeat summit]

…well it will be

ignore how i accidentally messed up commenting part of the selector out and now the cache is wacky :)

[split grail]

me when poak23087[i23ej&(^$!(#!@&$_(HEQq0j

is there really no toki pona name for pre-pu

tenpo ala

once again I ask you all, can we have a bit of MediaViewer
as a treat (to watch videos)

[hot trout]

tenpo pi pu ala

[grand marten]

mi wawa e sina la sina ken ala ken pana

[split grail]

o

mi sona ala

nn mi alasa ni

.................where do I do it again

i forgor

[grand marten]

ijo ijo Extensions

[split grail]

ijo ijo

[grand marten]

a sina ken lukin taso la

[split grail]

lon

[grand marten]

mi ken wawa ale e sina

li ni

[split grail]

:anpa:

[grand marten]

[split grail]

[split grail]

weird bug:
typing {{tp|[[User:.hecko/sitelen Elijan|sitelen Elijan]]}} results in this

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/User:.hecko%2Fsitelen_Elijan|sitelen_Elijan

[split grail]

if you replace the latter part with anything else it removes the User:.hecko/ part

but not sitelen Elijan

kama pi lawa ale

fsldfjs

[grand marten]

ni li tan ilo [DisplayTitle]

[split grail]

aaaaa :anpa:

ni la ona li kama pona ala anu seme

[grand marten]

lon tenpo poka ala

mi ken weka e ilo ni lon wile

la

lipu open li sitelen ni ala e toki [pona]

kin ilo {{#displaytitle}} (anu seme) li weka

taso mi sona ala e ni → ma ni li kepeken ala kepeken ona

[grand marten]

lipu [Explain XKCD] li pana e sitelen lon poka pi linja tawa kepeken nasin pona ni

[split grail]

mi pali e lipu [[native speakers]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/native_speakers

[split grail]

how did I not see the big ass typo in front of me

[split grail]

have u

[golden rock]

you need jan Kekan San's response added to this page

#toki-ale message

[hot trout]

Better: https://lukapona.blogspot.com/2023/02/native-speakers-pi-toki-ponali-lon-ala.html?m=1

[split grail]

yeah I was waiting for people to add the responses to it

[split grail]

there's a lot going on of the ma pi nasin sitelen server, that I'm gonna add soon enough

collecting it here so I don't forget

[split grail]

broke something :>
https://sona.pona.la/w/index.php?title=sitelen_pona_(jan_Mimoku)&redirect=no

I want to apply {{tp|sitelen pona}} ({{tok|jan Mimoku}))

[split grail]

I may need a small timeline of when each person designed glyphs, like when did Elemenopoi and Sa design each of theirs

(not as an article, but for helped me track down stuff)

[steep cave]

can this (#pali-musi message) be added somewhere here https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Palindromes . it's not palindrome nor ambigram nor anything but I think it's related

[split grail]

ooh

I do not know what that is.

sure is a poem

[golden rock]

unrelated, part of me hopes theres some snowball effect where sona.pona.la becomes good enough that slowly teachers and then regular users start using it as the hub for all information and editing it

[split grail]

yesss

[golden rock]

the current system mostly relies on communal memory and discord-locked quote bots, with a large variety of links to different places - stuff is bound to be forgotten and dropped as time goes on

[split grail]

that is my plan,,.

[golden rock]

a wiki is such a great way to change that

[split grail]

also implying that we're not good enough sobbing

replacing 'Wikipedia' with 'sona pona'

[steep cave]

I like how the sandwich is just there, not relating to anything. I wonder what's the original

[upbeat summit]

subway sucks / you made the sandwich

[steep cave]

oooh, lamo

[golden rock]

well im personally quite satisfied
im just trying to see if teachers just link to articles and i dont think we're there yet

[split grail]

@safe stag what do you think

[split grail]

ntw I'm just gonna upload the poem and then add it ., somewhere

not rn because I have school rn

[steep cave]

take your time

[split grail]

@hot trout can you help making [[poetry]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/poetry

[split grail]

at your time because you are probably eeping

[hot trout]

oh
as in

Poems - "listing where to find poems, and finding all the leko nimi"
?

[split grail]

yeah

basically

[upbeat summit]

pœtry better name tbh

[split grail]

oethel in English my beloathed

[upbeat summit]

the letter Œellyfish

[split grail]

for the glyphs in UCSUR that are whitespace or control characters can you implement the little dashed squares thingies

on Wikipedia, this is it (from 'Mongolian (Unicode block)')
wikitext:

| title="U+180C: MONGOLIAN FREE VARIATION SELECTOR TWO (alias FVS2)" style="font-size: 75%; line-height: 1" | {{border|FVS<br/>2|style=dashed|color=black}}

HTML:

...
<span style="display: inline-block; border: 1px dashed black; --darkreader-inline-border-top: #8c8273; --darkreader-inline-border-right: #8c8273; --darkreader-inline-border-bottom: #8c8273; --darkreader-inline-border-left: #8c8273;" data-darkreader-inline-border-top="" data-darkreader-inline-border-right="" data-darkreader-inline-border-bottom="" data-darkreader-inline-border-left="">FVS<br>1</span>

see then [[w:Template:Border]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:Border

[upbeat summit]

is anything using this https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Module:Category_handler

[split grail]

categories?

[upbeat summit]

where

[safe stag]

pilin mi pi ijo seme li wile?
lipu sona.pona.la li pona ala pona?

[split grail]

lon 👉👈

[regal panther]

theres only a few that i link to, most commonly i think is "yes" because its just a really good explanation of how to translate in context

[split grail]

o

maybe I should and format it up

shout out to the Wikipedia editor who linked to the article for 'comma' when referring to a comma inside a list, you are hilarious

[split grail]

@regal panther [[yes]] ← is this alright

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yes

[regal panther]

made a small edit to it 👍

[grand marten]

mi wile pali e sitelen pi nimi [yupekosi] li awen pali ala e ona la mi toki e wile mi · · · poka wan la sitelen jan [Mona Lisa] · poka ante la ni kin · taso ante kule en kule uta en len lawa musi en sitelen pilin en ijo ante

[hot trout]

pona

[split grail]

@upbeat summit you added articles about programming languages so
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNY4ByECF_ghwHociypgFew
https://greybeetle213.github.io/sona_pi_toki_ilo_pona/lipu-pi-kama-sona.pdf

[flint rover]

@split grail Regarding Mascots, I found this on Instagram:

[north idol]

that's not the mascot

[steep cave]

ooh, I've seen this in art fight

[split grail]

there is no official maacot there are many unofficial ones, see [[Mascots]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Mascots

[flint rover]

Ok so uh who is going to make the Toki Pona mascots Super Smash Bros clone

[split grail]

UTALA

[steep cave]

OMG

btw, I made a rough list of toki pona characters before and I think it might be useful here, I'll upload it later

eh, I'll upload it now

second thought, I don't think I can upload it in convenient way

[split grail]

why)

[steep cave]

third thought, it is now a github repo https://github.com/neverRare/toki-pona-character-directory

there's one artist that I can't track from https://github.com/neverRare/toki-pona-character-directory#unnamed-1

there's some characters that doesn't look toki pona but it is tagged "toki pona" so I've included it anyway

[split grail]

o

[split grail]

I didn't actually see this today, aaaa it is so good

I am very much focused on the Unicode application so aaa

if someone is okay with using MediaWiki's horrible horrible file uploader, then make sure to upload those and add them to the article :>

plus to [[mu]], add that mu can mean 'gesture'

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mu

[upbeat summit]

how so

[golden rock]

im considering writing a sitelen Kililisa article

theres more to it than just listing a single set of letter mappings

[golden rock]

@split grail do we have a shortcut to link to wiktionary

like [[wt|link|text]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/wt|link|text

[golden rock]

if not, how can i add one

nvm figured it out

[golden rock]

@split grail check this out [[sitelen_Kililisa]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sitelen_Kililisa

[split grail]

aaah it is good

<3

[winter sparrow]

huh?

who uses it like that..?

[split grail]

I've seen people on #luka-pona and also Kekan use 'mu luka'

[golden rock]

did some minor edits around the connectivity of navboxes

[golden rock]

TIL there was a page on transfems on the toki pona wikipedia in 2004

[split grail]

they are everywhere <3

[golden rock]

i can't 100% prove it was on tokipona.wikipedia.org but its in the edit history on fandom

which i believe is directly imported

[split grail]

yeah

you can prove it was there actually

[[lipu Wikipesija]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/lipu_Wikipesija

[split grail]

there are the archives

[golden rock]

can we get more dates filled out here

with sources

im trying but being slow at it

[golden rock]

[split grail]

so they did

[split grail]

do you have dates

[golden rock]

i tried searching some but ran out of energy

[split grail]

[split grail]

what is the opposite of deprecated

alive?

open?

[golden rock]

active?

[split grail]

THAT

[golden rock]

we're also missing https://sona-suli.pona.la/wiki/lipu_open this wiki

which... exists technically but is empty

jan Tepo might close it but that's also effort

[split grail]

o

you've heard of sona pona, now get ready for sona suli pona

[golden rock]

@split grail thoughts on having {{General}} on the main page of sona pona?

pros: quick navigation
cons: visually perhaps a bit too complicated

[split grail]

yeah no

[upbeat summit]

this iswhat

[golden rock]

a wiki jan Tepo made for reasons im unaware of

[upbeat summit]

how does one become aware of those reasons

[golden rock]

@outer stirrup o toki e wile pini sina

[split grail]

don't think that this is supposed to be like that

[golden rock]

@split grail thoughts on writing a special navbox for words, placing pu words in a grid pattern?

[split grail]

mu

[golden rock]

no clue how hard that would be

[split grail]

I

have no clue

visualising it my head, I don't even know if it looks nice

hm

(I am not great with creating templates either)

[golden rock]

like this ish

https://linku.la/sitelen/

[split grail]

ahhh

cheeky fish

trying to pass the work that you don't want to us

@upbeat summit what do you think about it

[upbeat summit]

it's doable and most of the work could be left to a subtemplate or regex

but it seems a bit SP-centric

…but i guess the example sentences are too

wondering if we should think of a more robust toggle system for that

[outer stirrup]

mi pali tan wile pi waso Sepen

o lukin e ale lon tomo https://discord.com/channels/893915100610699364/1074376023757574164 lon ma pali pi toki pona

[split grail]

aa sona

[upbeat summit]

…what happened here

did anything change lately

[split grail]

maybe

OH there was an announcement on Miraheze but I didn't read it let me see if something fucked up

nvm it was just them asking for donations

[upbeat summit]

h

[vague aspen]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[upbeat summit]

Hopefully things have stabilized

Also made our first VisualEditor edit

because i noticed i made a mistake on a gargantuan table and said fuck that i'm not fixing it in source

[[sitelen Kansi]] knowers please sanity-check my work since i can't recognize the characters at a glance or anything

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sitelen_Kansi

[outer stirrup]

mi toki tawa jan sona lon kulupu ante li kama sona e ni: nasin mute ni la sitelen ale li lon sewi anu anpa pi poki pona

[upbeat summit]

fuckola

[outer stirrup]

mi lukin pona e ona

[upbeat summit]

o ni la sina pona mute

you can copy and paste ranged selections of cells in the VisualEditor

[outer stirrup]

mi sona. mi ken ala ni la pona li ken ala a a a

nasin pi kulupu QQ la nimi kalama li weka a a

[upbeat summit]

Kalana

[outer stirrup]

@upbeat summit seme la mi weka e kule pimeja lon poki sama ni

tenpo mute la mi sona e pakala tan ni: supa wan la, sitelen ale li sama, taso sitelen wan li ante, taso sitelen sama li lon poki sewi nanpa wan

kule

[upbeat summit]

mi sona ala lukin pona e sitelen ni a a

[upbeat summit]

uhh hmm

[outer stirrup]

mi sona pi lili mute

[upbeat summit]

…you might have to switch into source editing mode

[outer stirrup]

nimi mi li weka

a...lipu ona a la nimi ma liw eka

[outer stirrup]

n ala. nimi mi li kama lon poki pi nimi meli

[upbeat summit]

lawa mi li awen tawa sike

[outer stirrup]

nimi oko li kama lon poki pi nimi olin

lipu ona la nimi pan li weka

[upbeat summit]

kon ona li sama,,,,

I see you 🤍

monsuta ala a,,,,

[outer stirrup]

mi ni la toki ilo li nasa ale la mi ken ala pona e ona. sina o ni

[upbeat summit]

sina pini la mi ken

[outer stirrup]

mi pini a

[upbeat summit]

pana

[upbeat summit]

ᴗxᴗ

[split grail]

tenpo poka la mi lukin kin

[split grail]

for [[colours]], there should be section discussing the different ways that the same colour may be under different words

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/colours

[split grail]

like orange may be loje or jelo
lime may be jelo or laso
violet may be laso or loje

things like that

[split grail]

casually just dropping a 100 000 byte article ok

this

asking for someone to make a better version, because this is literally just Discord messages lol

is this clear

[upbeat summit]

yeah

[upbeat summit]

As you do

[split grail]

jgklsdfjsdf

[upbeat summit]

oh shit

[[Special:LongPages]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:LongPages

[upbeat summit]

it's not just a large article

it's the large article

[split grail]

hilarious

[split grail]

@vague aspen since you published [[File:ku in linja enki.svg]], do you have a folder with all your glyphs :>

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/File:ku_in_linja_enki.svg

[vague aspen]

sadly i do not

[split grail]

[vague aspen]

i can try making but idk how to automate it

[split grail]

you don't need to, it is okie

[split grail]

it is better to upload files that are free directly to Commons btw

and that is what I'm doing rn

[vague aspen]

i don’t think people would need it elsewhere

[split grail]

still

it doesn't hurt to publish it more widely

I also have to add info about your font to [[Fonts]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Fonts

[split grail]

no mac and cheese 😔

so then, is this the first font of 2024

rn it is just this

[vague aspen]

thank you for creating this

[vague aspen]

by the way i’m currently working on changing the second item

[split grail]

wawa a

[vague aspen]

FONTFORGE WON’T LET ME ADD ALL SELECTED GLYPHS IN THE LOOKUP THING

[split grail]

question

if we want to link to a piece of code, that's really big (like for say a dictionary keyboard), where do we upload this info

[golden rock]

1. i assume the link is to a github repo
2. don't we have like an "input methods" page or category or something

[split grail]

there's GitHub, true

[split grail]

what would be an appropiate image for [[moli]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/moli

[split grail]

• no corpses
• no Grim Reaper
• cemiteries? (some are too Christian, and we're woke)

sure Wikipedia

is this clear

the template on the side is linking to [moli] while the small link is [nimi:moli]

[muted sun]

show meat dishes or something lol

doesn't even have to be meat right plants can be dead too

[split grail]

show me the bibliography

[split grail]

I don't think that is clear sgjlsdjsdf

people will see that and think food

[muted sun]

a dying tree? that's all brown and stuff

[split grail]

ooh

maybe

mmmm

[muted sun]

dead rotting tree that has more dead stuff in it

actually these are fine

[muted sun]

omg..

[split grail]

taso aaa ni li pona ala pona

[muted sun]

maybe the middle one that looks like bones

[muted sun]

that plant is aLIVE and wELL what is it doing there

[split grail]

my man is in front of you

boney dude

[muted sun]

ok fair

this pic doesn't scream moli to me though

maybe if the skull was :3

[split grail]

w

google 'anime girl skull'

[split grail]

ok., so

something may be wrong with Tepo and Lakuse's video

not entirely sure what

[split grail]

@grand marten mi wile ante e nasin sitelen "sitelen seli kiwen" lon lipu. seme la mi ni

[grand marten]

tawa sina taso anu tawa ale

[split grail]

lipu li toki e pakala ni

tawa ale

sitelen seli kiwen li kama sin

sitelen mute sin li lon

sina li lon!!!!!

[grand marten]

mi a

[grand marten]

ni la ilo [Miraheze] li pakola anu seme

[split grail]

msa

ken

[grand marten]

· mi kama lukin e lipu [[Name glyphs]] la pilin mi liiiii n · mi lukin ala la pilin mi la ona li toki e ni → ona li seme ← li pana e ona tu anu ona pi mute lili · taso ona li pana e ale ·
· ni li · n · lipu [s.p.l] o toki e nasin pi toki [pona] · ni li kulupu pi toki [pona] · taso ni li ike ala ike ·
· ni li pona tawa mi → tan pi sitelen ale li lon lipu · taso ona o lon ala lon lipu ni o lon ala lon lipu ante · Name glyphs/Full list anu seme · ·

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Name_glyphs

[grand marten]

(nasa la seme la mi en ijo ante ala li pana e poki {{Nonstandard}})

[split grail]

aaaa wile sona mute a

· ni li pona tawa mi → tan pi sitelen ale li lon lipu · taso ona o lon ala lon lipu ni o lon ala lon lipu ante · Name glyphs/Full list anu seme · ·
mi la ona o lon ni
jan pi sona lili li kama lukin e nimi nimi la
ona o kama sona e nimi ni e kon ona

lipu [s.p.l] o toki e nasin pi toki [pona] · ni li kulupu pi toki [pona]
seme la ni tu li ken ala lon

[grand marten]

mi sona wawa ala li toki taso

[split grail]

n

sona

[split grail]

o sona:
lipu 'sona pona' la:

• lipu li toki e jan
• lipu li toki e kulupu
• lipu li toki e lipu ante

ni ale li nasin ala. taso ona o lon

[split grail]

a mi kama lukin e lipu suli a
jan Lepeka li pana e sitelen ale lon nasin sitelen 'ssk' tawa tomo GitHub ona

ona li sitelen pi nasin PNG. ni la jan ale li ken lawa e ona li ken pana e ona tawa lipu ona tawa ma Commons!!!

toki Inli la
they are uncopyrightable and in the public domain

[split grail]

kulupu Menasewi o! mi ken tawa e sitelen pona tawa lipu ale a!

[split grail]

also @upbeat summit @upbeat summit @upbeat summit there are kala Asi audio clips, use them

[[c:Category:Toki Pona pronunciations by kala Asi]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Toki_Pona_pronunciations_by_kala_Asi

[upbeat summit]

…ken la sitelen mi o luka monsi kin

taso ona mi li already lon monsi kijetesantakalu

[upbeat summit]

use them lon seme

o wait on the template

[rugged torrent]

@outer stirrup o lukin

[upbeat summit]

Unfortunately i cannot seem to get audio from another repository to embed

so it will have to still be links

but now there are two

[split grail]

I think that it's getting resolved actually?

I'm just waiting for C. Suthorn now

the quick fix must have done something good because looksies

0.0 s > 1 min 16 s

it now recognises the time

[split grail]

also did you see the font issues, can you help

[split grail]

would you all like to write an essay about ChatGPT and toki pona learning

[dark tree]

a fun little detail is that my friend has been able to translate from toki pona to English with chatGPT 4, but it's only reliable if she also writes the context that the statement was made in

[split grail]

oh

ALA A

MI KASI

[split grail]

o pana e ni tawa [[UCSUR]]

For people who use Arc Browser, here's a boost to see sitelen pona unicode in your browser: https://arc.net/boost/3E475CD3-9118-4DE0-9684-EDB2A9ECBC2F. It prefers nasin nanpa, sitelen seli kiwen, Fairfax HD, and insa pi supa lape in that order. See https://github.com/Id405/sitelen-pona-ucsur-guide for how to download those fonts.

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/UCSUR

[upbeat summit]

The wha?

[golden rock]

linja pona (literally "good line") is a uniform line weight sitelen pona typeface created by David A. Roberts and expanded on by jan Same

i think this is incorrect

David A. Roberts was only responsible for version 4

off the top of my head

[split grail]

I need to update the fonts by Lepeka on the website

but I can't

[split grail]

that's wrong yes

[golden rock]

@split grail idea, dunno if its a good one or not
instead of having specific pages for groups of words (e.g. [[Animals]]), replace those with navboxes listing multiple related words

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Animals

[golden rock]

this could allow words to belong to multiple navigable categories, e.g.... heck idk

poka for a body part grouping and a relative directions grouping

truthfully most words have one clear category

[upbeat summit]

"Part of a series on"–type sidebars, right

[golden rock]

not sure what kind of sidebars

oh right

yes thats one option

[upbeat summit]

I figure since everything's gonna have the words navbox at the bottom already

Should the {{nimi}} infobox include [[nasin pi sitelen jelo]] and possibly other writing systems

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/nasin_pi_sitelen_jelo

[upbeat summit]

https://tokiponacensus.github.io/results2022/#writing-systems

[golden rock]

we might want writing systems either as a navbox or a group in a navbox

[upbeat summit]

this is true

but different

Is there a standard tokiponized name for the Hebrew alphabet

sitelen Iwisi?

[golden rock]

Ive seen Iwisi a bunch

[upbeat summit]

[[Template:Writing systems]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Template:Writing_systems

[upbeat summit]

…can we talk about the footer navbox situation on some of these articles

like https://sona.pona.la/wiki/sitelen_pona#catlinks

I think we should only have the most specific one

and maybe if they're in a hierarchy like this, we could do

sitelen pona

⬑ Writing systems

Alternatively we could have the two most specific ones, but put the more specific one on top

@split grail @grand marten six heart questionmark?

[grand marten]

mi la poki tu wan li pona

[upbeat summit]

hm

should we do the Wikipedia thing and only expand the first one

[upbeat summit]

wha

[split grail]

o kute ala e mi

ante la mi pana e sitelen mute tawa lipu ni
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sitelen_seli_kiwen

[upbeat summit]

Anyone have the message where [[nasin pi sitelen jelo]] was first presented so we can cite it on there

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/nasin_pi_sitelen_jelo

[hot trout]

@dark tree tenpo pi nasin lon ala la sina toki mute e ona. tenpo pi nasin lon li open lon tenpo seme

[dark tree]

nnnnnnn

maybe MTPVR...?

mi o alasa...

2022-09-27 01:01 PT
#sona-musi message

pona la, jan ante kin li pana e nasin ona pi sitelen kule lon ni ^

2023-01-06 17:44 PT
sitelen ale pi nasin mi
MTPVR: #929522007454937099 message

2022-09-27 09:55 PT
sitelen ale pi nasin mi
#sona-musi message

digging around reminds me of this really cool way of semantically ordering the words
#toki-ale message

with mutually exclusive categories! there's very few attempts at that

ni o lon lipu anu seme

[split grail]

lon,. ken

[grand marten]

a sona mi la ijo ante li ni lon tenpo poka

#pana message

[dark tree]

ni tu o lon lipu sama

sona mi la jan mute li wile kepeken nasin sama

[split grail]

nn oke

mi kama tan tomo sona la mi lukin pali e ni

[grand marten]

ni kin https://theotherwebsite.com/tokipona/

[golden rock]

catching up with sona pona edits, this is cool to see

im not 100% happy with "natlang transliterations" (since this is about writing systems not languages, and about adapting for toki pona not transliterating) but honestly i can't think of a good name for this myself

re: sitelen Kana, @upbeat summit would you consider renaming sitelen Ilakana and sitelen Katakana -> sitelen Kana? since this is already your preference in the navbox

both other names should become redirects then ofc

[upbeat summit]

maybe, i just don't know if that name is common in practice and i want to avoid making stuff up for the actual article titles

[golden rock]

thats a fair concern. ive not seen any of the three names in use so i can't judge

[upbeat summit]

Toki Pona census also uses some different tokiponized names than we have, which, eek

[golden rock]

ma pona la,

sitelen Kana      39
sitelen Ilakana   37
sitelen Katakana  87

not really conclusive

[upbeat summit]

Hmm so should we split all the uncommon "Related words" subsections off into their own articles

[golden rock]

@upbeat summit i just saw this chart

i love the information, ive got an alternate idea for layout though

what do you think

pros: it avoids the awkward "Obsolete: / Main:" labeling necessitated by the current layout
cons: the glyphs are now further apart, which may make them harder to compare

i would also suggest ordering by Linku categories or book presence but eh

one sec, imma offer another layout

@upbeat summit

[upbeat summit]

Ah maybe

[golden rock]

pros: fewer columns, you can present more than just pu Epelanto
cons: for most words, the main and alternate are a pair, and presenting them vertically rather than horizontally is more awkward

[golden rock]

oh, just moving the glyphs together?

a bit unorthodox but like sure

[upbeat summit]

nnnnnnnnh

because then the Lasina and glyphs are split apart

[grand marten]

[toki] [sitelen] [nimi] [sitelen] [toki]

[grand marten]

po kala

[[Artificial intelligence]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

[grand marten]

mi open taso

[split grail]

woooo

I don't think that that is AI

something btw, we should fill out [[Software]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Software

[split grail]

or like

merge it with [[Tools]]?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Tools

[grand marten]

ona li kepeken ilo [Teachable Machine] pi nasin [neural network]

[split grail]

ahh

[winter sparrow]

it is machine learning which is "AI" but not LLM related which many people think is AI

tbh the entire ecosystem of machine learning tools is a clusterfuck of marketing spin and incoherent jargon

[grand marten]

nn ken la mi kulupu pi wawa ike e ijo

[winter sparrow]

I feel like that page doesn't need to exist

we could just list translation tools under the Tools page

and have a note there about chatgpt

the main value we gain by having these things there is that we can attach a warning saying "these tools are a bad idea to use for anyone not already fluent"

[split grail]

I think it should

like for people to point and read that hey ChatGPT doesn't speak toki pona

[split grail]

what if we went further

[winter sparrow]

yeah it feels like an afterthought

"here's a list of AI tools you can use for toki pona (they aren't great but go use them)"

[split grail]

yeah

[grand marten]

lonnn

[split grail]

so we can write (and also cite others) on the why

[split grail]

maybe change the 'nasin pi sitelen jelo' to include other emoji implementations?

Emoji (nasin pi sitelen jelo · sitelen Emosi · i know that there's more)

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