sona.pona.la

[upbeat summit]

i still think linja pona would be good to have, we could probably work with that

[split grail]

oh right true,,

I didn't mention it because it's not very completionist, but it is an important font

[golden rock]

is there a convenient way to see a list of all pages?

without redirects

[split grail]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=&namespace=0&hideredirects=1&stripprefix=1

[split grail]

wawa

@vague aspen gonna put your image here /j

[grand marten]

ken? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ira_Hudson_Mini_Ducks.jpg

[split grail]

jgsdlkfjsdf

ken

[grand marten]

ken ante https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Genitsaros.jpg

[upbeat summit]

um!

nasa is rounded in linja pona!

how strange

[split grail]

wha

[split grail]

for oke/ke it will be just a generic stock photo man giving a thumbs up maybe

why are there so many pictures of Lula giving the thumbs up on Commons

[split grail]

JFDSKLSDF

ona li sona a

[golden rock]

lmao

[upbeat summit]

So i think these are all the nimisin in linja pona

[golden rock]

re: this
keep in mind those aren't the only words that went up or down a category
seems weird singling them out

[upbeat summit]

they're the only ones that have gone down since the methodology was changed, right

for all the rest, you can be sure that's their peak placement so far?

[golden rock]

widespread -> common: kipisi, soko

obscure -> no longer notable: aka, awase, eki, ewe, i, iki, ipi, itomi, jaku, jalan, jans, kapa, konsi, lo, loka, lokon, neja, samu, sipi, ten, umesu, wi, ako, kutopoma, lijokuku, suke, toma

i guess yeah

we're yet to do anything about the words that no one should care about

[split grail]

new template: {{no one cares about these Words}}

[golden rock]

fr

[upbeat summit]

Here are some other glyphs that are weird, influential, or otherwise good to have on the wiki ASAP imo

[split grail]

aa

wall of SVGs

[upbeat summit]

Anyone have a Wikimedia Commons account or where have you

[winter sparrow]

[autism intensifies] 😅

[split grail]

I do have

mi tawa jan pi pona sijelo. tenpo kama lili la mi ni a

[upbeat summit]

…it looks like this isn't the latest version

3.6?

[split grail]

there's no nimisin apart from nimi ku suli

only nimi majuna

[vague aspen]

do it

i added a photo to [[seme]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/seme

[vague aspen]

yeah

[split grail]

KFHDKHDKDGD

maybe it is too silly but I'll enjoy while it lasts

[split grail]

created [[c:Category:Sitelen pona glyphs from linja pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Sitelen_pona_glyphs_from_linja_pona

[split grail]

I just noticed uh

they are cut

they poked out the border

that is annoying

it also means that they look terrible

look at all that space!!!

[hot trout]

linja pona? I can push all down and the re-export later today

[split grail]

please

thank you

[covert flume]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/anu#Definitions Hi! There's a mistake on this page where anu got typoed as awen, and I don't have an account to fix it

new nasin nasa just dropped

[upbeat summit]

Done

Unbelievably the page number in the citation is still correct

[grand marten]

sina ken ante e lipu kepeken sijelo ala · (taso nanpa pi ilo sina li kama lon lipu pali)

[split grail]

*believably

I added it and changed the citation, but didn't see that it was still awen

because I was focused on citing all the pages

[upbeat summit]

believes it

[split grail]

[[Equations for sitelen pona glyphs]]
this is so silly

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Equations_for_sitelen_pona_glyphs

[split grail]

I love it

aa

[upbeat summit]

thank you i've been meaning to

i could not Desmos well enough to figure out more though

[split grail]

behold, ko

shouldn't some of these be in their simplified or however you say it forms

like the right part is just [1/4, 1]

UNPA?

[upbeat summit]

yeah but i like having the geometry of the radius apparent

[split grail]

gjsdklfs

[upbeat summit]

…

oh you need 2 sin 2t

[split grail]

ahh

[upbeat summit]

was ko supposed to use theta

[split grail]

where did I fuck up here

[upbeat summit]

probably right

[split grail]

the variable name doesn't matter

I edited yours to be t instead of t because it said below 0 ≤ t < 2π

[upbeat summit]

it does sometimes for polar i think

[split grail]

I tried with theta anyway but it didn't work

[grand marten]

ma nanpa wan pi lawa ala lon musi [Manka]

[split grail]

oh nvm I tried again and it worked

hmmmmmmm, wouldn't it be sooo nice if it was rotated with one side up

[upbeat summit]

you can just use sin but i wanted it to be irregular

YMMV

[split grail]

angy

sine makes it upside down

[upbeat summit]

+ sin

i mean these are all ko though

[split grail]

ahh

they are but like

shush

when someone comes up with the kijetesantakalu equation we will achieve world peace

[upbeat summit]

I think you're going to need to master wave interference to do stuff like that

[split grail]

which I do not

[upbeat summit]

parameterize the x and y components separately

[split grail]

fair,,

[upbeat summit]

and all

[split grail]

nasa is also easy

r = θ

it's just that is falls out of bounds of [-1, 1]

[upbeat summit]

i also can't get the slope i want with that spiral

adjusting the coefficient doesn't seem to do the right thingggg

[split grail]

google how to [[w:archimedial spiral]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:archimedial_spiral

[split grail]

ARCHIMEDIAN

[upbeat summit]

yeah that's the same formula i happened to try

i can't get more than one loop on 0≤θ<τ

and i would like to

[split grail]

aa

[split grail]

is this right

do people actually saw [komwe]

also in {{cite Discord}} can you make usernames optional, because sometimes, they come from deleted users and so it's impossible to get a username

also also, I am thinking on including more mention that a lot of these are ma pona words in the etymologies, a lot of these are exclusive to here

[upbeat summit]

mhm

[split grail]

,,,,,how do you even translate 'kon wile'

spirit to,,, want

[grand marten]

"on the [...] community" 🤔

[upbeat summit]

necessary oxygen

[split grail]

my English isn't englishing

[split grail]

n

and also trying to find a hecking picture that features all kingdoms but it seems that no one decided to make one

[grand marten]

ken lili la https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sentientism._Logos_representing_the_different_types_of_sentient_being._Animal,_human,_artificial_and_alien.jpg

[split grail]

maybe

sure

[upbeat summit]

pig, paperclip, robot, alien

[split grail]

jan pi sona SVG o

jan Tepo gave me this
https://wikipesija.org/resources/assets/Wikipesija.svg

but I can't upload it seems

I tried messing with it in Inkscape but it doesn't work

[upbeat summit]

this file has an empty <script /> tag at the very end

can you try removing that in a plaintext editor and uploading it then

otherwise idk

[split grail]

hilarious

let me see then

yeah..............................

it did

[upbeat summit]

how

[split grail]

I did what you said

and Commons said oke

created [[c:File:Logo for lipu Wikipesija.svg]] and [[c:File:Text logo for lipu Wikipesija.svg]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Logo_for_lipu_Wikipesija.svg
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:File:Text_logo_for_lipu_Wikipesija.svg

[upbeat summit]

ahh Commons

that's why the uploader looked different

[split grail]

please delete the ones on sona.pona.la

yeah

[upbeat summit]

where

[split grail]

[[Special:FileList]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:FileList

[upbeat summit]

yeah i don't see them readily

[split grail]

ok hold on

[upbeat summit]

holding,,

[split grail]

guess which idiot just uploaded a file that already existed on Commons

[upbeat summit]

me?

[split grail]

it was me!! Juwan "Ju: the [REDACTED] (20xx) by Sonja Lang" Wan !!!!

[upbeat summit]

whoa

but you're you

so which is the real jan Juwan

[split grail]

gjdsklfjsd

[split grail]

by change, Ke Tami does this ZIP file have like, any of the combination glyphs

I only see toki-pona

[upbeat summit]

is the subdirectory from the last version not still in there

[hot trout]

I do

[hot trout]

So I realised that I was using lp 3.5 last time
This time I used 4.9

[split grail]

[hot trout]

I'll check again, but I think there are way less pre-rendered combos

[split grail]

wait if you were using *3.5 how does it have nimi ku suli,,

[hot trout]

ku words existed before ku
But not sure when 3.5 was out

[upbeat summit]

the timeline is really confusing to me

why aren't they dated

[split grail]

it's like

version 3 - linja pona has pu + glyphs created by jan Same (almost? all pre-pu)
version 4 - all nimi ku suli

so that includes words like kokosila, n, tonsi, etc.

and what Ke Tami sent has them

also I am going insane because I don't have a way to display SVG images

[upbeat summit]

Inkscape time

…actually

can't you just drag it into your browser

[split grail]

I can

but like

let me show you

for PNGs and JPGs, Windows does this

but it can't for SVGs

it's so time consuming to go and open every single one individually

[upbeat summit]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/file-explorer

when will Microsoft Learn

[split grail]

jksdfjlsdf

it worked yappiiiii

soko growing

[upbeat summit]

but the soko is supposed to grow you

Russian reversal of a Russian reversal??

[grand marten]

kasi li ken toki la soko li ken moko e mawijo

[split grail]

moko

[upbeat summit]

moko

malijo ko

[grand marten]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-dance-luigi-dance-luigis-mansion3-gooigi-gif-15522954

malijo Luwisi ko

[upbeat summit]

sitelen seli kiwen more like sitelen ko

(Goo is canonically a chemical element in the Mario franchise)

[split grail]

[[w:Fluorine]] ← this is a ko

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Fluorine

[upbeat summit]

sina ko

[split grail]

Hatsune mi ko

[upbeat summit]

panko

pan ko Panko (パン粉) li pan ko

[split grail]

i love how the viewer thingy just gave up halfway thru

[upbeat summit]

"you can guess the rest from here, right"

[split grail]

jfksdlfjsd

[upbeat summit]

EZ. simply just know

[split grail]

also I think I won't upload the format variants like smaller and superscript used in combination glyphs

no growing soko

[upbeat summit]

i don't expect you to

[split grail]

yeah

but what if you did

[upbeat summit]

then i would be unreasonable

[split grail]

fair

[upbeat summit]

unfair, really

[split grail]

Juwan ← anwisanopo en anpewili

[upbeat summit]

mi soweli

should we have an article for the "vague" vs. "ambiguous" thing

because there are places where Toki Pona is ambiguous, mostly with preps and preverbs

and covering that along with the general sentiment otherwise could be very powerful

[split grail]

yeah

do it

I was thinking about that some days ago

[upbeat summit]

mi o do it lon tenpo ni ala

you can if you can

i've basically only imagined it would say, "people say ambiguous. but in their new series, jMisali says vague. but actually preverbs."

[grand marten]

o Yoink e https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Vagueness_and_ambiguity

lon la o Yoink ala tan pana ala pi ken Yoink

[split grail]

o

[grand marten]

a lipu [Wikipedia] li pana e https://highered.mheducation.com/sites/007312625x/student_view0/chapter2/#d

[split grail]

I came to a café to take advantage of good internet, and it seems that they lack that important detail

or Commons is being stupid and refusing to accept to upload

nvm i just inputted a file title twice

[split grail]

I accidentally called sijelo 'selo' and now I have to wait for someone to rename

who? idk

[golden rock]

its funny cause it comes from bosnian/croatian/serbian tijelo and in pretty much all other slavlangs its telo

[split grail]

me when my body is water

what is the remind command for Supanpo

[split grail]

I have uploaded everything I think

[[c:Category:Sitelen pona glyphs from linja pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/c:Category:Sitelen_pona_glyphs_from_linja_pona

[split grail]

of course not selo and sijelo because that is unresolved

(and the combination glyphs)

[hot trout]

btw
I have now made https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13-ct3tfnuJ8iXWH3wzuz81s9WIrN_op0tB77RNsXPlA/edit
Not completely finished because I still need to distinguish between "this is the word n, which exists in the font as a ligature, but doesn't have a Unicode codepoin" and "this is the character n at U+6E"

[split grail]

so much tofu

[hot trout]

that's the intention
kind of

[split grail]

jgdslkfjsd i know

@grand marten do you know about this kind of thing

asking you because I've seen that you sometimes do stuff like dropping the rest of the sentence keeping only the clause after a particle

[grand marten]

mi ni lon tenpo

[split grail]

o

[grand marten]

nasin pona li mi moku e ijo

(nasin nasa ante mi la i li ijo la mi moku e i [mi moku ej])

[split grail]

something something dropping, that I don't remember off the top of my head

[grand marten]

aaaa

mi sona ala e nimi

[split grail]

ale li pona

[grand marten]

mute la mi weka e open la open ni li sama toki pini

[split grail]

nn sona

[grand marten]

🟡 kasi ni li suwi
🔵 li suli a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics)

mi toki tawa ilo mute la ona li pana e ni (e ijo ante pi pona ala)

[split grail]

aa

[hot trout]

Sometimes when I see this, I

[grand marten]

lo nanpa

[split grail]

🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸

[grand marten]

n · nasin nanpa ni li ike tawa mi · ona li pimeja lon monsi pimeja · mi ken ala kama jo e ona li ken ala pana lon ilo [Desmos] (a ken la o linja tawa ilo ni)

[split grail]

nothing you can do avotu it

about

[grand marten]

lon ala

,,lon lili

seme li pimeja e lipu

aaa mi kepeken ilo pimeja pi lipu ni ala

ilo lipu li pona

[split grail]

wawer

[grand marten]

mi pana

[split grail]

o

o pana tawa mi

[grand marten]

https://darkreader.org/

[split grail]

no,..

nanpa a

[grand marten]

.mwe-math-fallback-image-inline
.mwe-math-fallback-image-display

ni tasor

*ni tasow

[split grail]

tasor

[split grail]

I have refleced and realised that my pronunciation isn't any better ([ˈkõw̃e])

[upbeat summit]

wtf they stole the concept of Toki Pona from us

[upbeat summit]

a lot of it is

[upbeat summit]

Does this differ from http://antetokipona.infinityfreeapp.com/font

[hot trout]

Yes, in that the website makes use of ligatures a lot more because that's the easier solution, whereas the spreadsheet tried to get rid of ASCII input for all characters to only display the character itself directly through the codepoint

The website's goal is a side-by-side comparison of glyphs
The spreadsheet's goal is a side-by-side comparison of codepoints

[upbeat summit]

ah

[zinc hazel]

sona pona la

alu sona pona

[vivid oyster]

is this good for wile?

[regal panther]

would it be possible to make the y-intercept higher

[golden rock]

@upbeat summit @split grail what do you think of having a convenience page listing every navbox?

it obviously doesn't scale well but so long as the wiki is fairly small

[upbeat summit]

There's https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3ANavbox&namespace=10&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1

[golden rock]

ooooh good

[golden rock]

oooh fun, yalls pronunciation generator treats /w/ as a labial

i think my pronunciation is [kɔ̃ːwɛ] or [kɔw̃wɛ]

[golden rock]

@upbeat summit opinion?

[vague aspen]

i did that

[golden rock]

updated

[split grail]

I am very unsure about individuals

please do not include that

[golden rock]

whats the plan to make them navigable, then?

[split grail]

there's already the page for [Tokiponist]

and there's been some discussion on what to do with pages like these about real people

[golden rock]

hmm

the Individuals thing is where i put the link to Tokiponist

i feel like that should still be in this navbox

i just don't know in what way now

[split grail]

for right now, don't

[golden rock]

aight

[split grail]

also nitpixk

do

lipu Wikipesija • pona.la (sona pona • utala musi • etc etc etc)

[golden rock]

we don't have any subpages except sona pona rn? right?

[split grail]

yeah..

[golden rock]

alr

[split grail]

would still be nice to link to all the others 👉👈

they aren't pages but that's not stopping anyone

[golden rock]

im just linking retroactively not proactively

[split grail]

I will link bothactively

[upbeat summit]

if it were "Individuals" and i& ever ended up notable you'd have to make so many articles

[golden rock]

added zines to Art and media

[split grail]

yipppeeee

lipus

[golden rock]

oh also i used a   in Constrained writing because the line break was bothering me

[grand marten]

a lipamanka li suli anu seme · la o lipu e ilo sitelen ona e kijetezzantakalu ona e Pingo ona eee seme ante

-a taso ona li wile ala e ni → ale li sona e kulupu ona · ona li toki ala e kulupu lon lipu ona

--a

"This website is shared by multiple like-minded people"
la lipu li ken · taso nasin pi kulupu ona o lon ala

[golden rock]

uhhhh

thoughts on how to include the Merchandise page in Art and media?

its not really audio / writing / games

[golden rock]

@split grail btw since you mentioned being unsure about pages for individuals

whats the plan for songs

i see theres like 2 individual song pages, but most others are mentioned on pages for individuals

and then theres also an overall song page

im gonna delete this redirect that uses my legal name cause just cause i used it once for the iso submission doesn't mean im okay with it shared elsewhere

right, i don't think i have the perms

@grand marten youre the admin right?

[grand marten]

ni

mi o pali e lipu [[w:WP:BLP]] anu seme

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:WP:BLP

[golden rock]

ken

@split grail /srs, you can't assume a non-tokiponised name is common knowledge or fine to use
especially if you dug it up from a semi legal document and its not mentioned anywhere else

[upbeat summit]

yeah i was worried about something like that

You privated the revisions, right @grand marten

[split grail]

I am sorry for that, I didn't think too much about it and it was completely wrong to do

[golden rock]

no worries

[split grail]

yes worries

[upbeat summit]

a reasonable level of worries that can be learned from, shall we say

[split grail]

truly

could have been, much worse

[golden rock]

what i meant is, its a "lesson learned we'll do better" not a "you should feel guilty"

[split grail]

ni

[grand marten]

ni

-a taso mi len ala e weka

tenpo lon la mi ni

[split grail]

that's what I was gonna say yeah

[golden rock]

okay as for music

im gonna try put together a spreadsheet of as much of it as possible

using this as a base

I'll be using google sheets until we're done because wiki's markup sucks

[upbeat summit]

Tables are easily my least favorite part of wikitext and yet they're so useful i have to use them all the timeeee

[golden rock]

oh i don't deny their usefulness in the slightest

[upbeat summit]

If i could just get the source editor with a visual table editor embedded… ideal

[golden rock]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXextl70wJUo9xJ0VzECLXb3smiroQDT8U2_aAb_ycM/edit?usp=sharing

for now im just transfering the data from the wiki

(the links are being annoying)

then im thinking of splitting the albums into their respective songs because i feel like wiki users are more likely to be looking for songs than albums

(album names can still be mentioned as like another column imo)

and then its just. add as many songs as possible

[upbeat summit]

jan Same's original glyph propositions are fucking me up

[golden rock]

hm?

[upbeat summit]

I've definitely seen these before but i didn't have all the context of modern sitelen pona at that time

They feel so out of place :P

Was recently cited in the pake article

that's why i bring it up here

[grand marten]

sina wile ala ala kepeken lipu ante la https://www.tablesgenerator.com/mediawiki_tables

[split grail]

can Asi be autoconfirmed, so many !!!'s

[golden rock]

i thought i already was

am i doing something wrong?

[grand marten]

Autopatrolled

[upbeat summit]

says as of Sep 10, yeah

oh

[split grail]

ah that

autopatrolled that

[split grail]

be too awesome

[grand marten]

mi kama e ni

[split grail]

lili li suli

[upbeat summit]

they should have different bounds

and suli could be |𝑥²| perhaps

wait no

how do you pinch it…

[split grail]

gjdskf

[upbeat summit]

am i thinking of √|𝑥|

something like that

[upbeat summit]

also there should be a 𝑦 = for clarity

[split grail]

sqrt(mod(x))

[upbeat summit]

AH

i was trying to use a trick much like that but couldn't get it to work!

of course i should've chosen something like the semicircle function

[golden rock]

i remember doing this to draw a kamalawala like... 7ish years ago

[split grail]

ni

[upbeat summit]

y=\left(\frac{\sqrt{1^{2}-x^{2}}}{\sqrt{1^{2}-x^{2}}}\right)2\sqrt{\left|x\right|}-1

pretty good suli wouldn't you say

[split grail]

use one to be bound in [-1, 1]!!!

no factorials!!!!!!!!!!!!

[upbeat summit]

it is

[split grail]

w

[upbeat summit]

it should be

unless i've forgotten how to read and count

[split grail]

?

[golden rock]

the three points at the ends of both lines are excluded

0, 0 because division by 0

[upbeat summit]

…wha

[golden rock]

the other two because well same

[split grail]

so it is
x in ]-2, 0[ u ]0, -2[

and y in ]0, 2[

[upbeat summit]

ooh ooh wait

use arcsinx/arcsinx

[split grail]

oh nvm there is a 0

or that is what Desmos tells me

[upbeat summit]

…no

then x=0 has a hole

[split grail]

a

lied to

[upbeat summit]

…

(arcsinx + e)/(arcsinx + e)

real

[split grail]

look I am a stupid pls

[grand marten]

lawa nanpa o · poki {x≤1} li ken ala ken

[upbeat summit]

y=\left(\frac{\arcsin x+2}{\arcsin x+2}\right)2\sqrt{\left|x\right|}-1

paste this in

[split grail]

!!!!

[upbeat summit]

that's no fun,,,,

[upbeat summit]

actually for clarity that should probably be 2+arcsinx buuuut

[split grail]

most clarity

[upbeat summit]

what about

y=\left(2\sqrt{\left|x\right|}-1\right)\left(\frac{2+\arcsin x}{2+\arcsin x}\right)

i think that's clarier

the basic equation, times domain restriction

then linja could be like

y=\left(\frac{\sin\pi x}{3}\right)\left(\frac{2+\arcsin x}{2+\arcsin x}\right)

or thereabouts

waiit the origin of kin glyph is just.

right here

in full

http://forums.tokipona.org/viewtopic.php?t=2616&start=10

Also whenever we cite something from Toki Pona Forums can we archive.is it, in case anything happens in the future

[golden rock]

music spreadsheet update: everything from sona pona has been copied over, albums have been split up into their tracks

im gonna try go through each artist on the list and complete it with anything the list previously missed

[split grail]

yeah

I told you

it's in the file list and I already added it the article

[split grail]

it already happened

also on tables btw

can someone make like a template of table with all words 🙏

divided into pu/ku suli/etc

[golden rock]

wdym

don't we have template:words?

whats wrong with that one

[split grail]

no no

not template as in the Template namespace

but like

a table of words with nothing more, so you can copypaste it in other articles

this table without the math

yknow,,,

[grand marten]

la mi

[golden rock]

may i insist on using linku categories instead of ku

[split grail]

they change, so like

[golden rock]

yeah and ku categories suck precisely because they don't change

[split grail]

gjsldfksd

in this case we don't care about the actual words themselves

they are just

strings of text, devoid of meaning

[golden rock]

you can always just say "sorted by linku (2023)"

[split grail]

so using pu/ku is fine

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
how about one table with a commonness column to sort by

[golden rock]

anyway uhhh
https://janusawi.bandcamp.com/track/you-must-pay-the-splanish-fee-feat-lipamanka
does this count as a toki pona song slfkgjddlj

it has like

[split grail]

gsdjkflsd

[golden rock]

a single (1) nimisin

[split grail]

I guess not?

[golden rock]

it would be weird to exclude just one song from an album

everything else is at least NASA-levels of toki pona related

(NASA being the half lojban half tp one from someone else)

[split grail]

I guess like

add a note

this is a song from a toki pona album but only includes one toki pona word

[upbeat summit]

can we not just do redirects from song names to the album page orr

[golden rock]

wdym

there are normally multiple links per song

be it a single or an album

[grand marten]

\left|\min\left(x,y\right)\right|=0

li pakala e ilo temo :(

mi alasa pali e en li ken ala tan semeee

-a mi kama sona e nasin ante pi pona mute

[upbeat summit]

[[kin#sitelen pona]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/kin#sitelen_pona

[upbeat summit]

i feel like this sort of thing can be done for all of the glyphs in that thread

much more detail, properly crediting people involved in the collaborative process

[split grail]

^^^

wherever there is that possibility do it!! :>

that's why it's good having the references all there

[golden rock]

music sheet update: i think ive got all songs of jan Usawi, myself, and kala pona listed rn

moving on to kqa

i knew 5 kqa songs is way too few kqa songs

[golden rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6b3mpzN94w

...is this a song

mi la probably yea

[grand marten]

"ilo nanpa 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸" li Song ala Song

[golden rock]

im gonna assume saying words to an instrumental is a song, but saying words (= reading a poem) is not

[upbeat summit]

It Will Be

[split grail]

yesss

talking about songs

ike la lipu [[monsuta (song)]] li lili. o suli e ona!

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/monsuta_(song)

[grand marten]

se mea

[upbeat summit]

write a full cover

make a clay volcano

etc etc.

[golden rock]

jan Misali is complicating everything

they've released songs on youtube first, in order of creation probably

and then uploaded them to bandcamp as an album

so theyre simultaneously singles on one platform and an album on another

this was more painful than it looks

(half the songs aren't on jan Misali's main channel and the dates are all wack)

[split grail]

aa

will you fill out what they are a cover of

[golden rock]

im leaving that for later mostly cause im unsure of the formatting

like a lot of covers are fairly straightforward: theres a specific original, and this tp artist just made a translation of lyrics and sung it

but some are messier
like if the lyrics are partially new
or entirely new but the song is taken from another place

or, yknow, kijetesumikyoku

or pan nanpa wan tawa jan

or a cover of a translation of a real song

[split grail]

by Cuymacu

[grand marten]

@gray mica o · sina [HTML] e poki pi sitelen nanpa tan seme

[gray mica]

seme a

[gray mica]

mi wile ala e ni

[split grail]

what the fuck is this

I will revert it and add back the equations you added

[golden rock]

i had no idea jan Nasi (Nardi) has at least 10 tp songs

[split grail]

wawa

[golden rock]

there are enough toki pona songs in existence that we could easily have a calendar celebrating their anniversaries

though in that case December would be jan Ke Tami month

@hot trout o, wawa pali sina li monsuta e mi

[split grail]

holy fuck

[golden rock]

update: we have like 216 songs in the sheet so far and im. not anywhere close to done

send help /j

[split grail]

who is this boyo

other than that, I want to get in touch with the creators of this because preddy
https://www.reddit.com/r/mi_lon/comments/sn7lun/toki_ponas_crossover_completely_made_by/

[vague aspen]

what

[split grail]

what what?

[[mascots]] is filling up

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mascots

[split grail]

is there a better quality version of

@outer stirrup o sina sona ala sona

[outer stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlwT269yI5U

ale pi sitelen tawa ni la sina ken lukin e meli

[split grail]

n sona

it will have to do

all okay to screenshot the video?

[outer stirrup]

sina wile pana e seme lon seme

[split grail]

mi wile pana e sitelen tawa ni

[zinc hazel]

toki pena song of the day should be on sona pona la home screen

[outer stirrup]

pona

[golden rock]

good shout

[split grail]

toki pono or whatever that is

[zinc hazel]

I don't have autocorrect on toxi pona

[outer stirrup]

seme la 'o' li kama 'e'

[split grail]

ni li ken ala ken

[dark tree]

tokiponist articles la
i notice that all the ones currently on there have publicized things intended for a wide audience
that's probably a good threshold for deciding whether someone should have an article, and a good standard for what should be included in their article

e.g. if i had an article that was just a list of the things i've made that are listed elsewhere on spl, that wouldn't be uncomfy at all
if it talked about things i've said on discord that would make me feel aaaa

[split grail]

true aa

that is what I have already been doing

since this is a much smaller community than The Entire World, this has to take a different take than Wikipedia, so basically no talking about these kinds of personal things

@\kita write that wp:blp article faster help

[dark tree]

wpblp is a funny sound

[split grail]

jfsdlkfjsdflj

it is boringly short for 'Wikipedia:Biographies of living people'

[dark tree]

oh cool

[golden rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAAOF8UdVw

is this a song?

[dark tree]

hmm, the title "creators" is maybe a better encapsulation of this goal than "tokiponists"

[split grail]

yes

kalama Sisiwitu

[golden rock]

fuck it

im adding it to the song list

[split grail]

it was a joke 😭😭😭

we may have to define what is toki pona music

[golden rock]

but consider:

• its got a musical accompaniment in the form of a brass instrument (a vacuum cleaner handle)
• its got lyrics (mu)

[split grail]

sobbing

[golden rock]

@outer stirrup kalama sina li wawa li pana e sona mute

[outer stirrup]

.....ni li toki pona ala

[outer stirrup]

nasin o ni: sina pali e lipu jan la o toki tawa jan ni

[split grail]

lon

[golden rock]

taso sitelen li toki e ni:

mu

toki pona a

[outer stirrup]

mi pali e kalama la mi kepeken ala toki pona

tenpo kama a la mi pana e toki lon anpa kepeken toki pona

[split grail]

mu la lipu kulupu lipu Commons li jo e kalama mu. jan li pana e sitelen lili ni tawa ona: "mu!"

mi o alasa e ona

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_with_closed_captioning_in_Toki_Pona

[golden rock]

good news, im done with the musicians im immediately aware of

bad news, the playlist has like twice as many songs in total

[grand marten]

mi la o pana ale Embed e ona

[split grail]

e

like

the whole video?

that is good too but I want also simple screenshots

ALSO

I need a template btw

where the FUCK is it

[[w:Template:multiple image]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:multiple_image

[split grail]

[[w:Template:Image frame]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/w:Template:Image_frame

[split grail]

there are many more musicians

did you include all the songs in the remixes by jan Misali

[zinc hazel]

nosun dvorak

[outer stirrup]

a wawa

[zinc hazel]

I should write in article

[split grail]

hehe

[zinc hazel]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Nasi

if it has the most words and content

why is the article short?

overworkt writers probly

[split grail]

gjsdlfkjsd

[split grail]

because

I want to read it

small problem

I am a stupid

illiterate even

[hot trout]

ona li suli a

[split grail]

^^

I just created the page in hopes that someone would fill it out

there's a link to a synopsis (by Ke Tami hiii) on the talk page

[hot trout]

jan ala li pana la mi pana e toki ike mi pi tenpo pini a a a

[split grail]

ale li pona a a

[split grail]

more about [mascots], who is itsmuffiiee

maybe I should go to bed

there's a lot of noise because Christmas Eve

[upbeat summit]

aaaa i think we're back down to under 137 wanted pages even with all the obscure words on Project:Requests

I'm still waiting for the day we have fewer than 120 of those

Also we're almost at 400 articles wtf??

The progress on this wiki makes me so stimmy i'm so proud

[upbeat summit]

ALL RARE WORDS DONE

WOOOO

the only issue for morale is that now we have 39 words left until we clear out the final, obscure tier

but now Template:Words is only missing the articles for the eras!

[vague aspen]

the two highmost are sprite cans though

[upbeat summit]

and we're under 137 wanted pages once more!

by the way @split grail one of those appears to be on your userpage—could you try editing [[mh:pewo:|Pewiki]] to [[mh:pewo:Main Page|Pewiki]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mh:pewo:|Pewiki
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mh:pewo:Main_Page|Pewiki

[split grail]

o

[upbeat summit]

pls

[split grail]

what is sigma here btw

also should the [[Moraic analysis]] be merged into the phonotactics article

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Moraic_analysis

[upbeat summit]

syllable count

[split grail]

ahh

[split grail]

what do you think btw

[hot trout]

ah yeah
win-win

[dark tree]

is there an article on coda n

[split grail]

[[coda n]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/coda_n

[dark tree]

ooh

would it make sense to replace the nimisin there with like Sonko

[split grail]

sure

for [[phonology]], may I know why 'ideally' the phonemes should be [e̞ o̞] instead of [e o] (this is totally not biased because I'm Brazilian and have those cardinal phonemes)

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/phonology

[hot trout]

pu li pana e sitelen kalama ni

[split grail]

o

then cite that

[split grail]

question, how to deal with this:

for the origin for 'omekalike', there are some other words proposed: omekake, and then, [cw: see in front] ||omekika and omekike||, which sounds like a Jewish slur.

do I simply omit this part

I will create redirects to the main word as I do with most 'nasa' versions of words (be them typos or early iterations) but I don't know how to deal with that or if I do at all

uhm less seriously, I'm writing this

if my writing sounds clunky, which it does, please better it

[split grail]

... owekapo

[rain ice]

#401 📣 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316066233755631616/729223404837797918/owekapo.png

[split grail]

hilarious

[grand marten]

o :wok: e kala pona

[split grail]

omg looksies, I found a way to make lyric translations pretty

for rn it's the same text twice dw

this translations sounds so goofy help

[grand marten]

"good riddance' is a good translation for it imo ("goodbye" in a "I hope I never see you again" sense)
#toki-ale message

[split grail]

YEAH

that's great, o ante pona

[split grail]

new lipu tenpo issue less gooo

[upbeat summit]

lipu lipu lipu tenpo

[dark tree]

i would omit it yeah

@upbeat summit is there a reason kin is listed as a semiparticle and not just a particle?

[upbeat summit]

means also ig

[dark tree]

hmm i don't think anyone really uses it as a content word

kin li moku

mi kin e soweli

mi moku e kin

[split grail]

kin la?

[upbeat summit]

it's kinda used as a modifier the same way ala is and that's been called a semiparticle iirc

[golden rock]

its an open question whether thats a syntactic or a semantic feature tbf

[dark tree]

hm, i think of ala modifier as being a particle

like a moku ala isn't a kind of moku

i think ala is a semiparticle because you can use it as a content word

ala li moku

mi moku e ala

whereas kin isn't used as a content word, and kin la can be analyzed as sentence final kin being used at the beginning of a sentence

and there's a pretty big group of people who drop the la from kin la because it's not otherwise a content word

[upbeat summit]

Where is documentation on nasin tenpo pona

[grand marten]

ni ala ni https://lipu-sona.pona.la/nasin_tenpo.html

[upbeat summit]

ni https://weatherwhim.github.io/nasin-tenpo-pona

ona sina li ante la o pana e ona tawa lipu [[Calendar systems]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Calendar_systems

[upbeat summit]

…there's a Google Sheets link in the

okay

don't i feel sily

[split grail]

lipu [[yupekosi]] li lipu pona ala pona

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/yupekosi

[upbeat summit]

does it fit the criteria,,

I feel like Lucas himself isn't a particularly descriptive image…

[split grail]

it surely is

it literally is him

[upbeat summit]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption

it's George Lucas the action not George Lucas the person,,,,

[split grail]

nn

fair

if there is a better image then,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[grand marten]

[ilo penpo o lukin ala]
it's a symbol, like a nonbinary flag
which by my personal criteria is ehh
i'd say potato jesus but a) still kind of a symbol b) vertical c) technically copyrighted

[split grail]

George Lucas is tonsi???

also if you'd like, may you include your criteria in [[Project:Word articles]] maybe ehe

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Project:Word_articles

[grand marten]

ni li wile mi taso · wile pi ijo ante li ken ante · mi wile ala sewi e wile mi

[split grail]

sona

[split grail]

question then, what would be a concrete example of yupekosi

[grand marten]

jan Jesu kili

[split grail]

so true

very silly

[grand marten]

nnn ijo o pali e sitelen sin anu seme

[split grail]

o yupekosi ala e sitelen pi tenpo pini mute a

[grand marten]

lawa sama

[split grail]

kgdhkgdsg

[split grail]

lipu [[omekapo]] li kama pona

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/omekapo

[upbeat summit]

[[Pingo#poak23087[i23ej&(^$!(#!@&$_(HEQq0j]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Pingo#poak23087[i23ej&(^$!(#!@&$_(HEQq0j

[upbeat summit]

soo

because this word has all those symbols in it

it's actually impossible to create a redirect from the exact name

[upbeat summit]

I'd better not see anyone try to make a joke word that requires a jillion technical loopholes for sona pona because the joke would be a repeat, just look at https://sona.pona.la/wiki/poak23087i23ej%26(^$!(!@%26$_(HEQq0j?redirect=no

[upbeat summit]

[[Project:Word articles#Template]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Project:Word_articles#Template

[upbeat summit]

new flow for creating

[upbeat summit]

Should we have an r/place article?

I think it would be fun to document the history of that

Have images for the designs we worked on

Any merch-type stuff that came of it (i think there's at least one badge thingy someone made)

[dark tree]

wile pona

[upbeat summit]

[[r/place]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/r%2Fplace

[upbeat summit]

oh, that would've been a good 400th article, but we're one short

[split grail]

maybe it is too silly dkdhdhd

[upbeat summit]

it's just silly enough to be possible

[grand marten]

:p #pali-nanpa message

[split grail]

is it??

[grand marten]

sina wile wawa e lipu nanpa ale ale ale ale la o P( )e( )NP( )o lipu e ni ← seme

[split grail]

lon lipu [[mpptp]] la o toki e ilo pi toki pona taso

• tenpo pi toki pona pona taso li seme
• ilo penpo li seme? ona o lukin ala tan seme a a a

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mpptp

[split grail]

nanpa,.

[upbeat summit]

Article 400 is [[Phrases and clauses]], apparently

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Phrases_and_clauses

[upbeat summit]

Thank you for the lovely flower, ilo pi toki pona taso o. Someone should write about you on the [[mpptp]] article

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mpptp

[upbeat summit]

I think
that when the cache for [[Special:WantedPages]] clears
there will be less than 120 pages remaining

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:WantedPages

[split grail]

there will always be so many pages to want

[upbeat summit]

yeah but we're doing pretty good for ourselves, wouldn't you say

the stuff we haven't gotten around to yet is a fraction of the stuff we already have

[split grail]

yappii

kasi mute a

the next goal for me btw is to cover all obscure words (because of Linku)

[upbeat summit]

lipu 36 ni li awen lon ala

ni li awen mute

nimi "mute" la, mi kama sona e kon ona lon tenpo ni awa

taso "nimi mute" la, jan ante li kama sona e kon ona lon tenpo kama,,,,

[split grail]

[[mute]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/mute

[split grail]

o weka e sitelen kalama tan ni tan lipu [yupekosi]

[upbeat summit]

ona o seme

[split grail]

sina toki e nimi |IPA=no tawa poki ilo la ona o weka e ni

[upbeat summit]

mi la ona li pona li musi lon lipu yupekosi

[split grail]

nn

ken

taso jan li sona ala e musi la ni li nasa

[grand marten]

lipu li toki e musi

[split grail]

🤡 ← mi

nasa

[upbeat summit]

mi fuckeditup

lo sijento

[split grail]

gsjfkdsfjg

sona

kasija (gracias)

[upbeat summit]

i still think it would be funny to have the j pronunciation guide box on there but

[split grail]

no

lipu [mpptp] o jo e kulupu nimi tan ma ni

List of words

• epiku
• mulapisu
• yutu
  etc etcc

[upbeat summit]

hm!

[grand marten]

nn mi wile kulupu e lipu nimi pi sitelen kule ala · taso mi ni la lipu tawa ([[loje]]) en ante li lon ona · mi wile ala pana e sitelen sama lon lipu tu · la
· mi ken pana e sitelen ale lon lipu wan la poki nimi li ken kepeken tan ona · taso ni li ike lili tawa jan mute pi wile ante anu seme ·
· mi ken pali e ilo sin {{nimi categories}} li ken kepeken ona taso lon lipu tawa ·

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/loje

[upbeat summit]

(THE EVIL IS DEFEATED (i finally figured out what was causing the duplicate language select icon, clear your cache))

[split grail]

YAPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[split grail]

nn mi la ni o lon lipu [epiku]

anu seme

nimi 'kulijo' li sama ala nimi 'a' taso

li wawa ala taso e pilin

ona li ken nimi li jo e kon

(o kute e kalama "7" tan jan Usawi)

[dark tree]

sona musi pi nimi kulijo #sona-kulupu-tpt message

[upbeat summit]

ijo Linku li toki e ni nimi kulupu li sama nimi oke

taso sina wile tawa e kipisi lipu ni la o

[split grail]

o

alone

so weird

does ilo penpo look for phonetic/phonotactic matches

[grand marten]

test

ona li ni nanpa tu ala

https://github.com/gregdan3/ilo-pi-toki-pona-taso/blob/main/src/tenpo/toki_pona_utils.py

nasin muuuuute li lon

mun li wawa

[split grail]

@safe stag o toki e ilo lon lipu

mun nanpa 🎸

[grand marten]

[mu wan taso pi ilo linja]

[split grail]

*mun nanpa 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

[safe stag]

a a a, mi ni lon tenpo kama
tenpo ni la o sona e ni: ilo li alasa e sitelen ale ken lon nimi ale. ni li taso

[split grail]

seme la ona li sona e ken

[dark tree]

mun li toki tawa kon pi toki pona. kon li toki e ken

[split grail]

it's so funny if you translate that directly
The Mun Is Speaking Towards The Spirit Of The Good Tongue

[grand marten]

a seme la lipu ale li weka

[split grail]

gjsdlkfjsd

lipu ni li lon: ona li pana e sona pi jan wan li kepeken nimi pi jan ni. lipu [[Atawans Guide on How To Make A nimi sin™]] li ni. mi o pana ala pana e toki lili tawa ona sama ni:

[this is a unmodified (verbatim) text, do not edit it to change the words. etc etc]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Atawans_Guide_on_How_To_Make_A_nimi_sin™

[split grail]

o kasi ala e mi

[split grail]

kin la lipu ni li pana e linja tawa lipu mama

ante la linja laso o lon ala lon lipu sama ni

someone make a page about isipin epiku btw it should actually be the focus on the wiki

[upbeat summit]

remind me what that is

[split grail]

toki pona pi pu ala

[upbeat summit]

…li ken lipu

[split grail]

jfsldkfjsd

jan Kita li pali e toki ni

[upbeat summit]

o o e e

[split grail]

mi toki sin e ni: o unu e poki {{Fun}}

[upbeat summit]

mi purple e ona

[split grail]

wawer

ilo mi pi pimeja selo li ike e ona

nn "ike" ala

ni li pona. taso pona mute a ala

[upbeat summit]

skil isjuw

[split grail]

😭

[upbeat summit]

but is there any reason you don't use the official MediaWiki dark mode

[split grail]

idk

got accustumed

I like it being a bit dark grey instead of dark dark black

kulupu Menasewi li ilo kasi

[split grail]

@dark tree toki ni li pona ala pona

[upbeat summit]

ni li nasa

nasa li pona

[split grail]

semea

[upbeat summit]

ni li pona

[split grail]

a

mi wile pana e sitelen tawa tawa lipu. taso mi ken ala a

[upbeat summit]

sona mi la nasin sitelen Enpipo li ken ala lon lipu Mirahazy

o OGV e ona

[split grail]

o

oke

[dark tree]

toki mi li toki ala e ni: nimi kulijo li seme tawa nimi epiku?

mi toki tawa jan wan kepeken la ona li toki e ni: nimi epiku en nimi kulijo li toki e pona sama

taso ni li jan wan taso

[split grail]

a

[dark tree]

pilin mi la
jan kepeken li pilin e nimi "cool" pi toki Inli, e nimi "coolio" ala

nimi cool li toki e pona mute, sama nimi epiku. nimi coolio li toki e pona lili, sama nimi oke

taso ni li pilin mi taso

ante la toki sina li pona. sina ken kepeken nimi mi

[split grail]

it didn't exactly work out oops

so weird

[split grail]

nnn o pana pilin sina lon lipu
[[kulijo]]

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/kulijo

[dark tree]

aa toki li lon lipu pi nimi epiku...

ken la toki li pona

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TOKI PI PONA

i saw that

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do you have FFMPEG or anything like that

for some reason, the conversion just doesn't work
og link for you to try: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IENgQQzOuGZGl8W2HkSrBuwyGk5w14fh/view

[dark tree]

sina pana e ale toki mi lon anpa la ale li pona

[safe stag]

a, ona li lukin e sitelen lili* pi nimi ale
ni la nimi li ken lili sama ni:
mpptp
tptpt
muems

ilo li lukin taso e sitelen. ona li ken sona e nasin kalama li ken lukin sona tan ni, taso ona li ni ala lon tenpo ni

[grand marten]

ona li pimeja pi wawa ike tawa mi · kin ona li nasa e kule · kin kin anpa la poka li awen walo

[upbeat summit]

🎉 🎉 🎉 🎉

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Special:WantedPages?limit=250

110 results

WE DID IT

There are fewer wanted pages remaining than nimi pu

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brb adding more wanted ones

[upbeat summit]

Don't do any number words

I'm working on an article that compiles all of those

oh wait adding as in requesting or adding as in creating

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29 obscure words left

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like requesting

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also also

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okay then requesting what,,

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.......................stuff

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what kind of stuff

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.................................................to write about

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like

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ideas for what to do there

• turn [[Number systems]] into a [[nasin nanpa ali ike]] but better
  then a [[Number words]] for talking about the words themselves?

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Number_systems
https://sona.pona.la/wiki/nasin_nanpa_ali_ike

[upbeat summit]

sounds like a good plan

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(btw it's not just rōmaji, because there are multiple versions, that's why editors (and so I do too) in other wikis write 'Hepburn' instead)

for the 'it is equivalent to ...' maybe we should write the number system

it is equivalent ... in pu advanced+

i dont know the name

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because they are only used in some number systems and so they wouldn't be equivalent in those,

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ah, forgot

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is oki

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oki is

an obscure interjection used as a variant of oke.

The sitelen pona glyph for oki (\✓) depicts a checkmark. nimi Elemenopi used this design for oke in July 2020,[7] and extended it to ke and oki as of August of that year.

…[8]

References

no just kidding

hm

What do you think about changing the wording of {{Nonstandard}} from "may not be understood by most speakers" to "will not"

Do we have anything that's nonstandard but most people will know all about it

If we count all the jan sin as speakers then…

I will try it

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that's good

[upbeat summit]

actually i can do a whole paragraph too

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no

can you like

make a [hide] button

because I personally don't want to see this

it is too biggggg

but it is important

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i feel like that'd be overengineered

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idk

I would want that

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okayyyy

like that?

or collapsed by default?

@split grail

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collapsed by default

plsies

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like That.

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a

lemme see sorry

yes

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oh I also forgot to update the fonts

ssk got an update yappiii

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^ ni

[north idol]

i would like to contribute to the wiki somehow — where are more hands needed?

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anywhere really

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[[Category:Maintenance]]!

[random sable]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/Category:Maintenance

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or there specifically

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Would appreciate the help

[north idol]

thank you for pointing me in the right direction :3

[split grail]

today I found this, *ti
Sonja, nooooooooo!!