linja lipamanka

[agile barn]

toki lon insa lawa

pilin sometimes works

[native trench]

i don’t think the same phrase being used for the same idea a lot is what makes lexicalization
like that is a common theme but that’s what lexicalization itself is

[agile barn]

idk

if people start to not understand otherwise clear uses of the phrase i think it's fair to say something bad is happening

[native trench]

yeah

that’s what makes something lexicalized
if other uses become avoided because of one meaning

[agile barn]

yeah like jan pona 😔

tenpo ni, tenpo pini

[native trench]

tenpo ni is the worst

[agile barn]

project zomboid literally opens up with "these are the end times". every time I see it i think "tenpo ni li tenpo pini"

tenpo ni is so bad

tenpo toki is like my #1 way to say the present

i backup to tenpo lon often though because toki is such a common word

[loud jetty]

tenpo lon is weird

I like saying tenpo ni and pointing at the floor for present

and tenpo ni and pointing at ijo ante for some other referenced time

I kinda like tenpo mi for our time, the time that we're together, right now

[agile barn]

thats really good

tenpo mi

same vibe as tenpo toki

[loud jetty]

yeah

[cinder wyvern]

yeah, those are the better words!

[wise garden]

toki isn't extra ijo, it's the thing that ijo gives you (???)

[real bough]

communication is the emanations of things

or conversely

the conveying of things

mi toki e "ijo" la, lawa sina li kama jo e "ijo"

[agile barn]

i always felt like the emitters were there because you're making things lon

like your words are summoning them or something

[bold inlet]

I thought it was like,

you're evoking an object or concept or what have you

you're like transmitting the knowledge of it

indirectly

Of course it's possible it predates the ijo and other emitter glyphs right

[real bough]

ok but what does it mean that seli is an emissive interpunct

[pearl portal]

sona
← Toki Pona sona

[steady cape]

dumb idea: ocular oko

I do not recommend this

[cinder wyvern]

they're all already pretty ocular

[steady cape]

would type it but 1 can't be bothered, and 2 don't wanna engage trypophobias

[merry ruin]

multiocular oko

[split kernel]

did someone say ꙮ

[merry ruin]

not exactly

[steady cape]

that one

technically that would be multiocular lukin

[split kernel]

multiocular o was part of your message

lukin likujo ꙮ (except its supposed to be 10 but fonts havent updated yet)

[steady cape]

just use base seven, in which case it is already 10

[split kernel]

its all mute anyway

[steady cape]

kijetesantokokokolu looks... .

it just looks, everywhere

[tepid leaf]

and they probably won't, tbh

bibi Kiqi 🦀 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1053850152932233266 message) lukin likujo ꙮ (except its supposed to be 10 but fonts havent updated yet)

[split kernel]

i will eternally complain about it

[rough drum]

sina toki tawa jan ante la nanpa wan la o toki insa

[merry ruin]

it's actually asu 🤓

[paper grove]

thank you, i should have known

[rough drum]

@merry ruin im not gonna add multiocular kijetesantakalu because some of my headmates have a phobia of lots of eyes on one thing

it was a very funny idea and i wish we didn’t have this phobia but i would like to prevent panic attacks so

[steady cape]

it's one thing if it's a spider that already looks alien to us tetrapodes but for mammals, it's unsettling

[rough drum]

i mean aside from that “phobia” means that they induce anxiety that impairs my ability to do things when i see it

so i will avoid it

[lapis loom]

I don’t have a phobia of it but it makes me greatly uncomfortable tbh

I think that if it needs a spoiler, then it’s probably not good to put in the font

[rough drum]

oh my god this is fucking genius

i’m gonna implement it i think

everyone gets three glyphs for free and then after that they’re required to pay at least 2.50 dollars for each glyph beyond that; people can pay for each other’s glyphs, and i might give people extra glyphs for free. for a system, each system member can request one additional glyph beyond the three glyph count for the body so that they can have their own personal glyphs.

how does this sound

[lapis loom]

Good to me cus that’s what I think I paid for

[rotund glacier]

how many glyphs are people suggesting, that sounds like a lot of free glyphs

[rough drum]

i am happy to do three per person

[rotund glacier]

then do it

[rough drum]

and i might give people more glyphs as gifts

[rough drum]

okay <@&811644330770301008> update in policy; this is now in effect

[rough drum]

thanks 4 pin

[paper grove]

awesmoe

[rotund glacier]

side note why does discord not give the OP of a toki suli pin perms

[rough drum]

so everyone gets a name glyph and their two favorite nimisin

[rough drum]

this tbh

[paper grove]

will ascii be implemented?

[rotund glacier]

makes 0 sense

[split kernel]

discor 👍

[paper grove]

i just invented a silly new nimisin in my head

[rotund glacier]

uses glyphs to commission an entire other script into the font

[rough drum]

yeah eventually

there will be a linjamanka sans release at some point

[rotund glacier]

pays hundreds of dollars to have all chinese characters implemented

[pearl portal]

i was actually thinking about making a custom command for that but idk if it's possible

[rough drum]

at this point i would charge you for a separate font commission

[rough drum]

you might be able to give me those perms manually

[pearl portal]

uhhhhhh doesn't seem like it

[rough drum]

damn

[pearl portal]

threads don't have permissions

[rotund glacier]

noooooo they're not another font they're my 1000 most beloved nimisins, who are like children to me,,

[rotund glacier]

rip.. just give the @ everyone role admin?

that would fix it

[pearl portal]

ok apparently yagpdb does support thread commands, just not reaction ones

[rough drum]

okay if you payed me for it i would do it

[lapis loom]

Hmum 5 dollar is not well divisible by 3 could I get one extra free one so I paid for 2 at the recommended amount? (Does not matter)

[rough drum]

thousands of dollars sounds pretty great

[rotund glacier]

literally

[rough drum]

you are allowed to give me more than the required amount

the recommended amount is 2.50 for every glyph you request but it’s not required to pay me at all for the first three

[lapis loom]

I paid 5 dollars for three extra glyphs tho

[split kernel]

another ko variant pls

[rotund glacier]

just appreciate one glyph more than the others

[bronze wraith]

sponge

[rough drum]

oh the jaki and ko variants don’t count

[rotund glacier]

oh i like this one $3 worth the other ones are $1 glyphs

[rough drum]

i asked for those

[split kernel]

redstone

[pearl portal]

👀

[split kernel]

or any other ko minecraft

[rough drum]

this would be funny as an alt

[split kernel]

yes

[lucid nymph]

omg i can have 5 glyphs theoretically

[rough drum]

you can yeah

[lapis loom]

Which is less than recommended :/
I can’t really give more so if you want to skip one glyph that’s ok

[split kernel]

i should make a font-able version of my cat

[rotund glacier]

it's less than recommended but more than required tho isn't it

[lapis loom]

Yeah but it’s up to lipamanka

[rotund glacier]

pepito soweli alt would be epic

[rough drum]

it is fine i will do all of them

[lapis loom]

[loud jetty]

yessss

[rough drum]

basically everyone gets a name glyph and their two favorite nimisin

[rotund glacier]

idk how fonts work, can i equally well use a glyph for an alt for a more common word instead of some nimisin

[paper grove]

semeja - seme a
exists so that there can be a sitelen pona equivalent of the interrobang

[rough drum]

oh and each headmate in a system gets an extra glyph

so that they can each have their own name glyphs

[rough drum]

submit it

[native trench]

if my glyphs are rotations of each other can i count them as one

[paper grove]

ok awesome

[rough drum]

yeah

[native trench]

a

wow so i am only requesting 3 not 6

[paper grove]

360 degree pointing ni

[loud jetty]

snake ni just got cheaper

[rough drum]

tbh some of the glyphs you requested like puwa are like in common use and were in linja sike so i was gonna do them anyway

ki si wi counts as one submission

[split kernel]

soweli alt

[rotund glacier]

i have 10 trillion rotated alts for sike and ijo to suggest

[rotund glacier]

I AGREE

[rough drum]

give me money

[loud jetty]

is si
i
ilapa one glyph or four

[rough drum]

you gave me forty dollars so i’m gonna give you unlimited glyphs

[loud jetty]

fjhshdjd bless

[rotund glacier]

bless

[bronze wraith]

bleß

[dense inlet]

bless

[lapis loom]

Bless

[native trench]

btw should i post ki si wi in #1072230753221488741

[paper grove]

uhh do i do number 31 or 32

[split kernel]

oH Thats where im supposed to post these

[paper grove]

two submissions say LLN30

[split kernel]

ok im gonna do it properly later, i wanna think of some other fun ones

[rough drum]

no need, they’re already added. BUT

i will be making them all randomizations of each other

(just kidding)

[lapis loom]

31 since multiocular kijetesantakalu was rejected

Probably

[dense inlet]

what if someone wants to use the Other ki

[split kernel]

how much to add the ithkuil writing system?

[dense inlet]

this is a toki pona font !

[loud jetty]

how many glyphs are in the Ithkuil writing system?

[split kernel]

:3

[rotund glacier]

they're my nimisins

[rough drum]

should i become a buddhist

[rotund glacier]

in my nasin

[split kernel]

no idea i think they combine a lot

[rough drum]

if will cure my anxiety i think

[lapis loom]

All of ucusr >:)

[rough drum]

ki~ike

just kidding

[rotund glacier]

if someone asked me to add ithkuil to my toki pona font i would retire from everything and go become a buddhist to escape samsara

[loud jetty]

(if your anxiety is related to the amount of work that you're giving yourself then you should charge more)

[dense inlet]

but then will not be accurate

[rough drum]

that’s true actually it is related to that

[rotund glacier]

yea you're not really charging much

[rough drum]

right i can’t be a neurotic otter if i don’t have anxiety

okay 5 dollars per glyph no free glyphs are you happy now each glyph is 1 more dollar that the previous one and i will be charging people retroactively no matter what no exceptions

[rotund glacier]

personally i would start from a wage of $20/hr or more as you felt appropriate and then calculate how much in charge for a glyph piecewise based on how long they take on average

[rough drum]

recommended is based on 15/hr

[loud jetty]

since people can sponsor each other's glyphs, I think charging a minimum of $2.50 per glyph is reasonable
I say this knowing & feeling bad that I've underpaid you

[rough drum]

okay tbh

[rotund glacier]

i would charge a minimum of at least minimum wage but more like a minimum of whatever i want

that's without factoring in that this is a lot of free glyphs

[steady cape]

you should charge "all but ten cents of your last 3 paychecks" and go proper capitalist mode this is a joke, you are fully justified in seeking compensation for your time and efforts, none of these other suggestions seem unreasonable in the context of the service and good being produced

[rough drum]

TRUE TRUE

oh also if you come up with a cool idea and i’m like “i’m adding this to my font” it’s a free glyph and i wont charge you

[steady cape]

so the jan-touche does not count towards my expected invoice?

[rotund glacier]

you can also like. just try charging a lot and bring it down if people stop submitting glyphs

[loud jetty]

should I submit glyphs I can't afford in the hope that you'll like them and put them in?

[steady cape]

kewl

[pearl portal]

@paper grove how about seme~a

[loud jetty]

(I know you said I get unlimited glyphs but I was gonna draw up a description of snake ni and that's like 16 glyphs)

[paper grove]

i made 9 dollars please send me 1 cent through the mail thanks

[rough drum]

this

[steady cape]

semeja
seme~a
sema

sama but made up of two stacked, rotated seme glyphs. (another joke submission, not srs)

[paper grove]

and yeah ok that would be a good idea

[rotund glacier]

can you use ligatures to fully implement the game snake with snake ni

[loud jetty]

if it works the way I described then yes

I wanna put it in my font too

[rough drum]

it’s possible and i don’t wanna

[steady cape]

yes but can it play doom?

[rough drum]

oh you mean just use the font

not in the font by itself

yeah sure

[rotund glacier]

no i meant in the font i like the idea of being silly with ligatures

[rough drum]

oh yeah

[paper grove]

tic tac toe built into linja lipamanka

[lapis loom]

So the 5 dollars I paid just gets me the name glyph?

[rotund glacier]

tic tac toki pona

[paper grove]

ttt1459238 -> tic tac toe board with X on square 1, O on square 4, X on square 5, etc.

[native trench]

this would be so funny

i wanna try making this tbh

[split kernel]

it would probably be funny for less time than it will take to make 😔

[rough drum]

no you have five glyphs

three plus two paid

[paper grove]

uh oh did it take this seriously

[lapis loom]

Yeah me too

[rough drum]

ksjdkfkjjsff

no that was a joke

[paper grove]

😭

[rough drum]

just kidding

[lapis loom]

Oh I would have been ok with that tbh

[rough drum]

you can still pay me for that

[paper grove]

lipamanka forgets tone tags moment

[rough drum]

i don’t use tone tags /ambiguous tone

also wow i didn’t notice this

[paper grove]

hi lipamanka /hj /j (/srs) /gen /neg (/j (/pos)) /hj

omg new conlang idea

[lapis loom]

I don’t have the money for that sorry I need to be better with my spending

[pearl portal]

old conlang idea, see: lojban

[paper grove]

nooooo

/lojban tone tag

implies that you are the entire language of lojban

[dense inlet]

50 DOLLARS OF INSTANT RAMEN ⁉️

THATS GOTTA BE LIKE. 250 RAMENS

[paper grove]

yeah some of them go towards construction of the ramen house

[rough drum]

no it’s more like 20

or less

i don’t have a bowl so i have to buy stuff that comes in a bowl

[dense inlet]

aaa

can i mail you a bowl

i will mail you a bowl istg

[rough drum]

if ur being genuine i’ll dm you my p.o. box

[feral wind]

would alts count as a separate glyph? i'm assuming not but idk

[rough drum]

yes

[dense inlet]

i am being genuine

[feral wind]

hm ok

[rough drum]

okay

[paper grove]

get a bowl then you can pay less for ramen

good investment

[rough drum]

but the ramen that comes in the bowl tastes better

[primal wind]

for our ta glyph, we often write it extended like this. would that extension count as its own glyph?

[rough drum]

this is partially a feature request

so hmmm

yeah i will need to make three glyphs for this to work actually

actually

i will also need to make a completely new chaining substitution that works backwards as well

[primal wind]

ah yea i can pay for something of the sort in a later submission so i'll just submit the normal glyph as-is for now thanks for the clarification

[rough drum]

yee

[rough drum]

okay hear me out

linjamanka stream right now

<@&811644330770301008>

[bronze wraith]

the ramen that comes in a bowl usually has freeze-dried veggies in it too

veggies in ramen is good

[distant maple]

tan ni la mi sona pakala e ni: sona sin li tawa lipamanka... kalama musi taso li lon lawa sina a a a

mi alasa sona e sona sin

[rough drum]

this

[lucid nymph]

i eat the ramen brick

[bronze wraith]

I break off a little piece while I'm waiting for the water to boil

[dense inlet]

this might be getting into the territory of needing a moku cw fyi

[paper grove]

a~a~a~a~a~a~a~a~a~a

[cinder wyvern]

Hm, I need to make this as a suggestion, but with completely vertical lines
but I can't right now

[rose kayak]

Set a reminder in 5 hours from now (<t:1675805502:f>)
View reminders with the Reminders command

[paper grove]

alt for e

to be more consistent with other one-letter glyphs :)

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008> reply with consent to have an autism alt added to the font

[keen yew]

yes

[loud jetty]

I consent

[vivid drum]

love it

[raw cairn]

Yes

[bronze wraith]

ni li pona tawa mi

[pearl portal]

i consent (the dots of Seka are hereby eyes)

[cinder wyvern]

I don't think there'd be one on mine 😄 but I don't care, so you have my consent

[steady cape]

I hate it. do it.

[deep needle]

yes

[paper shoal]

YIPPIE

[lucid nymph]

ABSOKUTEKYNLLEASE YIPPE

[deep needle]

wait. i'm a dumbass.

[bronze wraith]

jipi

[paper grove]

yippee i consent (also maybe it would look better if you replaced both eyes)

[steady cape]

alt code what?

[rough drum]

where's poma

which one is poman

[lucid nymph]

the wizard lookjn one

top row penultimate glyphi think

[rough drum]

these ones have consent

[steady cape]

also, side note, your linework on mine is masterful. I couldn't find a way to make it not look hump-backed or slump-shouldered in my handwriting but you've made it clean af

[rough drum]

omg..

[lucid nymph]

why are all ofnthem waso wen

[rough drum]

I did spend too much time on it

[rough drum]

easy

[lucid nymph]

ok

i wamt to consent for the votgil one /j

WAIT THE SUWI MOUTH IS CREEPY HAHA

liamanka will u do autsi alt kijetesantaklu?

[rough drum]

... snoweli

[tepid tusk]

Note snoweli was not found.

[rough drum]

@steady cape

[steady cape]

Delicious

[rough drum]

this is what it will look like

[paper shoal]

there should be a tbh creature glyph

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

jipi

[pearl portal]

there literally is

sipije

(← "tbh")

[agile olive]

it looks like there's too much space on either side of the glyph inside the cartouche

[rough drum]

@pearl portal I fixed it

I literally traced your EXACT linework

[lapis loom]

[paper shoal]

YIPPEE

[tawdry shale]

suwi pi mute

[steady cape]

Very nice

[rough drum]

I made some changes again

wait what if

[steady cape]

I was thinking about emitters but I couldn't find where to place them lol.

[lapis loom]

WJAIT sEtsp akesi and pipi could have AUTISM alts holy guacamole

[steady cape]

You really be working a lot on this one lol. AND NOW IF YOU LOOK AT IT JUST RIGHT IT LOOKS LIKE CHE INSTRUMENT I PLAY KINDA WTF??

[tropic cargo]

Looks like if a bird were turned into the treble clef

[steady cape]

Very astute, that is precisely what it is

[paper shoal]

#1053850152932233266 message

[lapis loom]

#1072230753221488741 message
I meant these ones -/nm

[merry ruin]

alright

[rough drum]

which one

[steady cape]

The emitter one

[rough drum]

no what instrument

[steady cape]

French horn

[rough drum]

TRUE

[agile barn]

aw no autism alt for me? 🥺

jk don't do that actually

[real bough]

o ken

[feral wind]

i have a plan (ignore the other tabs lmao, this was made on my school chromebook)
can't post them in glyph submission channel yet cuz no new dog pics + haven't drawn them yet
probably going a bit overboard but i'm willing to pay a good amount for it
also the Kepi container glyph is just saying that Kepi will be able to put other glyphs inside it, not that it'll be like a cartouche (that would look kinda weird)
but i might decide later to make it do that idk
will try to submit them by tonight hopefully

[rough drum]

wawARR

[steady cape]

Re: sitelen Mako

Mrs. Kotenwinsi approves

[rough drum]

woah

[rough drum]

woooahhhhh

mani a

[wooden flame]

ipije

[rose kayak]

Reminder for @cinder wyvern

Reminder from YAGPDB

multi-line a

[merry ruin]

is there a linja lipamanka download with the USCUR codepoints taso?

[rough drum]

yes, but it doesn't support combo glyphs

it's in the thread somewhere I forget where

I'll release an updated one later

[native trench]

@rough drum nimisin unicode la ideally there would be special characters that work like the 26 characters but that doesn’t currently exist so i think combining other encoded words with ZWJ makes sense

kisiwi could be mi/sina/ona ZWJ ni

[loud jetty]

Keli: waso ZWJ 🎀

[dense inlet]

i have no idea what any of this means

[loud jetty]

should I make a post in glyph submissions for this?

[vivid drum]

Wow lipamanka you're so cool it's so cool that you're doing all this

[pearl portal]

i mean it kinda does

unicode has invisible tag characters

or you could be evil and repurpose the regional indicators

[oak fern]

idk if this is still a thing people are replying to but i consent

[pearl portal]

,,or actually just do the ascii characters perhaps

something like ni ZWJ k ZWJ i

[loud jetty]

silapa: soweli ZWJ palisa
silapa1 (head): lawa ZWJ pi ZWJ soweli ZWJ palisa
silapa2 (neck): palisa ZWJ pi ZWJ soweli ZWJ palisa
silapa3 (body): sijelo ZWJ pi ZWJ soweli ZWJ palisa

[rough drum]

i have other ideas for those and ZWJ will work as a “default” glyph combiner

[rough drum]

perfect

[loud jetty]

yay

[native trench]

a i thought there was a default glyph combiner in UCSUR

[pearl portal]

how about ni+lon+mi

-or hm does the ucsur standard allow for 3+-glyph combos

if so then Seka is gonna need a change

[rough drum]

oh i don’t think i have an autism alt for yours bc there is no eye

[rough drum]

the default font will override my fonts ligatures

[rough drum]

i would use a special ZWJ codepoint that im gonna try to get added to UCSUR as an analogue for the ~

[rough drum]

i don’t think so just two for stacking and scaler

ZWJ is the default one and there is no special one atm

but i want there to be

[loud jetty]

why do you want a special one that's not ZWJ?

[rough drum]

the default one will default to either scaler or stacking depending on the glyph

so i need one for things like palisa~pan to be typable without UCSUR

@wooden flame just so you know your unicode ligature is not a unicode ligature it’s an ASCII ligature

also i need to know what umami represents

[dense inlet]

this font stuff is way over my head what do you need from me

[wooden flame]

umami

[rough drum]

smth cute like this but for ur glyph

[wooden flame]

that's actually what it represents

[rough drum]

okay

so is it a nimisin

or

[wooden flame]

nimisin

[rough drum]

okay

“umami” is not an acceptable unicode ligature

[lapis loom]

Eweke ligature: waso ⊕ nasa ⊕ laso ⊕ kon, ⊕ represents a ZWJ

unsure about the sEtsp alts tho

[loud jetty]

snoweli: soweli ZWJ ⛄️

[zenith herald]

@zenith herald can you check if I did the unicode ligature right for LLN16?

[pearl portal]

for Seka am considering sitelen + en + kalama + uhh 🌐? ▶️? 📼?

[zenith herald]

I pinged myself

I meant @rough drum

[loud jetty]

LLN16 la, I would maybe put star_of_david first

[rough drum]

it could be either and it could also be both

[lapis loom]

sEtsp alts could be like [--] ⊕ E or smth

are you also gonna use style sets for alts, @rough drum o?

[rough drum]

no idea what those are

[vestal vault]

sure, I'd like my Koko glyph to have autism alt

[loud jetty]

one eye or both?

[vestal vault]

just one eye, I want the other stay crossed out

[lapis loom]

they are useful
uhh they let the user like switch to different glyph styles like g being not loops??? sorry i can't explain it well
sitelen seli kiwen has them implemented

[vestal vault]

btw, my Koko glyph could be:
kisa + 👻
soweli + pi + moli + lili
or
soweli + moli + lili
whatever suits best
explanation: it's a schrödinger's cat

wait, what's the cat looking sitelen pona again? was it kisa or nja?

[lime slate]

soweli pi jan Sotenka

[keen yew]

no clue how unicode ligatures work so do that for me 👍

[rough drum]

okay 🙂

[keen yew]

🙂

[rough drum]

it’ll prolly just be soweli SJW 🦌

[keen yew]

yes

amazing

[rough drum]

THATS U

bird deer

[keen yew]

exactly

wings and antlers are kinda the same aesthetically when u think abt it

[pearl portal]

that's one hell of a typo to make

[rough drum]

yeah!!

[rough drum]

HAHAHHAHA

OH MY GOD

[keen yew]

im an sjw

[rough drum]

that was my status for a while

[pearl portal]

stylistic joiner wow

[rough drum]

my new status is a quote from my indian music professor

[steady cape]

question: what restrictions are there on the unicode ligs?

or, rather, when you say unicode ligatures, you mean a series of sitelen that will be replaced?

[rough drum]

yes

a series of codepoints that will get replaced with the ZWJ

[steady cape]

I assume it would be mostly a suggestion and may be adjusted in cases of overlap?

[loud jetty]

kisa and nja aren't in ucsur, so neither of them would work

[vestal vault]

ah

then the last two option it is, or use ghost emoji with soweli

[loud jetty]

i believe ucsur has pu, ku suli, apeja, and powe

[rough drum]

and majuna and one other

[rough drum]

oh pake

[rotund glacier]

i think this is the non pu words

[cinder wyvern]

hmmmm how to do these
I'll have to think about it

[agile barn]

hi I don't understand the new requirement

[loud jetty]

i always forget that majuna isn't ku suli

[agile barn]

i also just woke up

[rotund glacier]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Id405/sitelen-pona-ucsur-guide/main/tokipona.txt i assume this is organized pu then not pu then control chars

[cinder wyvern]

So should I do { ZWJ [ instead of {[?

[cinder wyvern]

yep
pu, ku suli, a couple of ku lili, then control characters

[rotund glacier]

@rough drum if i design a name glyph, do you have a preferred format or anything i submit the concept in or should it just be any black and and white image and you can work with it from there?

[cinder wyvern]

I already didn't know how to do the wavy underline

I don't know how alts should get encoded

Hm, emitter lines is something I can come up with

I think I can also come up with something for tasun

[loud jetty]

soweli 🥖

soweli 🌭

[loud jetty]

emitters should just be an alt pana

so that people stop using them for things that aren't pana 😤

[cinder wyvern]

but I don't know how alts are done

but for now, I did "pana pi weka luka"

[rough drum]

submit some sort of image I can trace on inkscape

[native trench]

sero joiner width

[pearl portal]

señor john wazowski

[steady cape]

Serial juice wiggler

[lapis loom]

soweli jan wawa

[rough drum]

no

I can trace it

urs is fun

[rough drum]

made my friend a name glyph

they're a tree

[dense inlet]

Temi: mun ZWJ 🦊

emoji wont go in

[native trench]

mun ZWJ 🦊

[rough drum]

I made it better

[keen yew]

wait did u mean waso here...

[tepid leaf]

would be Preferable

[rough drum]

I didn't

WSJFLKSJF

[keen yew]

FUCK

tpt bird jumpscare

[rough drum]

this is why when I proxy messages they start with {=

[keen yew]

i need to change that proxy so fucking

bad

i dont tho bc the BIRD in my BRAIN likes IT

[merry ruin]

make the eyes smaller on mine

@rough drum do the preexisting name glyphs need the unicode ligature thing too

[dense inlet]

ye

and the eyes dont vary in size thats the joke

[rough drum]

not for the autism creature one >:(

[rough drum]

yes

[dense inlet]

haha i said it firsstttt

[rough drum]

@magic wolf @primal wind @worn nova

[magic wolf]

WAAAA

balling

[dense inlet]

very glyph

[rough drum]

ma kana ta li suli

[merry ruin]

make the ligature on mine motan ZWJ 🐉

[rough drum]

okay coo l

wait

no like it needs to be unicode symbols

[bold inlet]

omg samoyed

[rough drum]

there's no unicode symbol called "motan" so that is not allowed

[pearl portal]

you can do what i did and have monsi + tan + :dragon: so it's very backwards-compatible

[feral wind]

submitted 2 of my glyphs

[wise garden]

The unicode ligature of Towan is now toki ZWJ 🐋.

[lapis loom]

or i guess waso ZWJ 👻 < i am obsessed with this emote istg but it's so good

[dense inlet]

what can i call this family of nimisin

[rough drum]

oh also @magic wolf @primal wind @worn nova
feel free to submit a custom name glyph each free of charge

[lean arrow]

ma kule-isms I think?

[dense inlet]

perfect

[rough drum]

nimi sin pi ma lili

[lean arrow]

are they ma lili?

a

I think I'm not there

[magic wolf]

ma lili and ma kule

ma lili shenanigans kinda moved to ma kule since ma lili kinda died

[lean arrow]

a

[rough drum]

oop

[vestal vault]

more option ig:
🐱 + 👻
or
🐱 + X + w + O
I think I prefer these two more than my first suggestions

[rough drum]

latin characters won’t work

[vestal vault]

aw

then cat ghost it is

[pearl portal]

can't not think of https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/038/449/cover1.jpg

[pearl portal]

wait really? why not

[rough drum]

hm I mean they could but

I want this to work as a fallback font in discord

wait

no then emojis definitely wouldn't work

[lapis loom]

it's actually this

[rough drum]

never mind latin characters work

[vestal vault]

thermometer mercury drink

[lapis loom]

please do not drink thermometer mercury it is not a drink

[bold inlet]

It just wants to hoard all the yummy thermometer mercury for itself 👿

[lapis loom]

< this one is also very good

< this too

[native trench]

[rough drum]

@native trench

[native trench]

amazing

this should be int he font for real

[oak fern]

i don’t really understand what the things we are deciding are for

[oak fern]

i’m sorry, i know this has been asked a bunch

[rough drum]

HAHAHA

@native trench

oh huh

[native trench]

amazing

[native trench]

you should make it so Seli renders as niko unless it’s my birthday in which case it renders as the マオ girl

[rough drum]

I need a full niko image

and then I'll do that

[native trench]

i was mostly joking but if making a glyph that changes depending on date is possible then i might actually request that just for the funny

tho theres probably like actual copyright issues or whatever it is that could happen

so maybe not 😔

[rough drum]

<@&811644330770301008>

streaming

[vestal vault]

suwi

[rough drum]

#1072230753221488741

[bold inlet]

droopy utala with a double-dot ellipsis at each side

[analog wave]

woops, sorry

[pale canopy]

NOOOO WAIT FR THAT'S SO CUTE

[pale canopy]

aku is so cute fr !!

[loud jetty]

i don't think this is possible

[native trench]

it doesnt sound possible but i dont know enough about fonts to know for sure

[rough drum]

@knotty widget

I lava you

[rotund glacier]

omg

[vestal vault]

suwi mute 🥺

[dense inlet]

@analog wave "Atu" is not a UCSUR character

[analog wave]

what's ucsur /genq

[dense inlet]

i have No Idea

[rotund glacier]

unicode conscript registry

i forgor the second u stands for what

[dense inlet]

universal /guess

[vestal vault]

under

[lapis loom]

under con script unicode registry

[rotund glacier]

it's an agreement between a bunch of conlangs for coordinated use of the unicode private use area

[lapis loom]

https://www.kreativekorp.com/ucsur/charts/sitelen.html

[rotund glacier]

so that different conscripts don't have conflicting codepoints

[rotund glacier]

i tried

[vestal vault]

for ligature, it can be Atu I think but it have to have unicode ligature

look at other examples

[dense inlet]

maybe use a toki pona word and an emoji thats what some of us are doing

[rough drum]

@tawdry shale do u have an image 4 ur pfp

I need it

now

immediately

@cinder wyvern @true stone

do either of you mentshn have it

[feral wind]

wish i could join vc but homework

[vestal vault]

I can't join the vc

[native trench]

woah

kapilu torso reveal

[vestal vault]

I love this cat

[dense inlet]

his name is rexie :)

[analog wave]

ni li pona anu seme?

[dense inlet]

pona

[analog wave]

epiku

also, how do i do this text background thing

[native trench]

backticks `

`like this`

for the emoji, copy and paste from outside of discord

the :emoji_name: emoji don’t work

[analog wave]

ty, gonna get the actual emoji

[rough drum]

@tawdry shale

[vestal vault]

the crossed eyes 🥺

[analog wave]

done

[native trench]

make cyclops kapilu

@rough drum

[dense inlet]

what if silly temi profile picture because you love me

[rough drum]

ye

[feral wind]

was gonna put the linja sike Kapilu+lukin glyph but no sp bot in thread

[dense inlet]

hm? linku is here

[misty lantern]

Set font preference for jan pi scribble Seli to linja sike.

[feral wind]

didn't work for me? idk

only shows built-in discord commands

lipamanka o can u ping me when u start working on my glyph (if u get to it)

i wanna see the process

ok i will join vc muted and deafened to watch

also i will try to make the Kepi alt glyphs soon

[rough drum]

step on me @tawdry shale

[loud jetty]

nokapilu

[rough drum]

hey everyone I am time blind

I need help

what did I do today

and what did I do yesterday

I need to know what things I did were yesterday and which were today

[steady cape]

Time is fake. All things happened last Tuesday, nothing since has happened

[loud jetty]

search from: lipamanka has: image

[zenith herald]

Is it possible for me to see what LNN16 looks like in the font?

[rough drum]

remind me tomorrow

[zenith herald]

Ok

[feral wind]

was contemplating adding yet another one of my names as a glyph but idk what to use for it
i don’t think anyone’s ever used the name, so it isn’t that important
i just got my main three names (paying for alts + container functionality for one of them later)

[agile barn]

oh yeah u

uh*

did anybody explain the new requirement for glyphs

[pseudo surge]

@rough drum i bumped the bot btw

[rough drum]

that’s cool i haven’t updated the font file on the github i don’t thing

[pseudo surge]

you have at some point, the font file has been modified

at one point

[rough drum]

never mind i did

[rough drum]

@static cape

[static cape]

WAWA

[agile barn]

oh thank you so much. does it have to be emoji?

Keli's is top tier

hm ok

ty

i will have to think on this

toki ante la, mi o isipin e ni >:)

[rough drum]

whoops

[feral wind]

ayo

feels a bit small compared to the other name glyphs but idk

[rough drum]

yeah

this is fine

some of them should be smaller imo

[loud jetty]

omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loud jetty]

🥰💕

[feral wind]

was testing and ig there’s no toki+pona special glyph combo yet

[rough drum]

oh dear

fuck

[feral wind]

toki-pona kinda works but not really

[rough drum]

i’ll fix it!!!!!

[safe crescent]

[feral wind]

i think the Kepi glyph is too small to do the thing i wanted for it
at least i can still have some of the alts (once i make them)

aight mi o lape

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern as far as i can tell you have requested 14 glyphs in #1072230753221488741

which is more than ur recent estimate of like six i think

[safe crescent]

😳

[rough drum]

oh also if u want you can pay me a lot of money to make all possible snakes of the dog glyph thing

so 6-16 node glyphs, 4-8 head glyphs, 4-8 tail glyphs

[rough drum]

@drifting root WOW!

we win…

[loud jetty]

oops i forgot to tap the mouse

[vestal vault]

oh yeah, I'm literally using it rn as a profile pic, why did I chose dog

[analog wave]

pa

[safe crescent]

is there no v

oh well i'll try again

[rough drum]

omg….

[cinder wyvern]

I count 11 in that thread
Hm, maybe you're counting the things already in the font? That's the name glyph, directional ni x2, and nasin sitelen kalama dots, which brings me to 16, of which I'm paying 15

I'm about to submit another one^^

[zenith herald]

0-0

[zenith herald]

Aww

[split kernel]

i think you have to capitalise it

[zenith herald]

I did that too in jaki lol

[split kernel]

ah

[zenith herald]

Just not ready yet probably

[zenith herald]

Nope

I'm just trying to figure out what is and isnt there sorry

[split kernel]

autism seems there but in all caps

[zenith herald]

Ahh

[zenith herald]

I'm not all caps yet lol

Oh well

[zenith herald]

Damn

[pseudo surge]

i love how poorly kerned this looks

[zenith herald]

I'll move to #jaki

How do cartouches work?

[cinder wyvern]

[ijo ijo ijo]

[zenith herald]

Ok

But that doesnt have the cartouche fully enclosed (with linku)

[split kernel]

i believe that is just a bug with this font

[zenith herald]

Ahh ok

[split kernel]

it has cartouches but they end up outside the rendered area

[cinder wyvern]

It does work
but in Linku, it's bigger than what Linku displays

[zenith herald]

Ahh

[pseudo surge]

can you give me a link to this

i wanna check something

[zenith herald]

If I lower my font size will it fix?

[pseudo surge]

probably wont

basiclaly lipamanka has to fiddle with some numbers in the font data

[cinder wyvern]

http://antetokipona.infinityfreeapp.com/font/#pana

[pseudo surge]

in the file

[zenith herald]

Ok

[pseudo surge]

@rough drum in the browser, you can see the font renders fully (obvs cause theres no arbitrary cutoff cause its not a png)
but once you try to select the text, you can see it believes it starts and ends exactly the same way ilo Linku does

tl;dr font issue not bot issue

[zenith herald]

mu

[pseudo surge]

@rough drum i know you don't use fontforge but the process should be analogous
try increasing the underline / height / descent / etc / one or several of these, and compensate by reducing the distance between lines
(which itself is also a value but i don't see it here)

[zenith herald]

mi tawa tan ni: pilin lili mi la mi lili la mi ken ala toki tawa jan pi ma ni.
ante la ken la mi toki pona taso. taso mi sona ala

[cinder wyvern]

this is across lines, right?
I still don't understand how that would work
If I wanted to do something like taa aasun would that make the head be a double-height glyph with the lines being outside the line boundary?
Or would it be a regular height glyph and we assume that line spacing of font renderers and browsers and graphics programs and tex editors won't mess with the line height?

[cinder wyvern]

now paying for 17 out of 18

[cinder wyvern]

are my eyes bad, or is something not aligned well here? Can't decide if tawa is up too much or tomo down too much, probably the former, thoug?

[real bough]

it does feel weird to have the tawa-feet seeming to hover above the ground the tomo is resting on

[dense inlet]

eeeeee

[cinder wyvern]

I mean, that's fine, but the, uh, hips seem to be where the ridge of the gable is at the same time (I totally didn't google these words)

[tawdry shale]

here
but like, you've made your new nasin very clear and so I don't expect kapilu glyph combinations like in the other font, this font you're making is bigger and from what I've seen people are making plenty of custom requests, I really don't want to make you overwork anu ijo sama, if there's a single kapilu glyph I'm already more than grateful

also, can I try drawing a new version? in the old one the eyes were a bit too different (because in the old font they're circular and in the picture they're long and horizontal)

I'll try drawing something that I think fits better

Like I think having eyes like this is better than the circle eyes (I also like this wider/longer mouth)

but this just for the internal part of the face, the outside contour can stay pretty much the same

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599425762990358528/988908621096157264/SPOILER_unknown.png
this is another similar idea, the unpa cat

what I think is important is the long eyes and mouth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599425762990358528/988910755501969500/SPOILER_unknown.png
another drawing of ~~me ~~unpa cat

[pseudo surge]

Imagine asking for a glyph
when you can be a glyph instead

[primal wind]

so true!

[native trench]

unpa cat unpa cat

[merry ruin]

i seem to have severly misunderstood the point of these

sewi ZWJ 🐉

[dense inlet]

perfect

[tawdry shale]

I'm confused
what did you misunderstand, and what do you understand now

[merry ruin]

i misunderstood the entire concept of the unicode ligature and how it relates to the glyphs

[tawdry shale]

what did you understand it to be

[merry ruin]

i didn't have much of an understanding to begin with

[copper notch]

mm

how do contribut

[cinder wyvern]

what do you want to do?

[tawdry shale]

you can pana e mani to lipamanka

although my credit card refuses to do it when I try to...

[copper notch]

add turkish letters!

[tawdry shale]

but it's a font meant for toki pona :pensi:

[copper notch]

hmm

[copper notch]

huh?

[tawdry shale]

money

you can give it

to lipamanka

if you have requests

[copper notch]

in order to create glyphs?

[tawdry shale]

if you want a bunch yes

[copper notch]

oh just read the pins

that's fair

[steady cape]

don't you hate it when you read read wrong?

[tawdry shale]

I didn't do it, nice

[tawdry shale]

yeah cus like, people were creating new words just for the sake of them being in the font

[steady cape]

a beautiful sentence to perfectly illustrate that scripts and languages are distinct

[copper notch]

:dies:

[feral wind]

i guess the main thing that's bothering me isn't the size, but how it's kinda farther up from the bottom than some of the other glyphs
also when you add the functionality of putting other glyphs inside it when i pay for it I feel like it'll look weird
that might just be me tho, cuz i haven't seen that type of combined glyph in the font yet

[rough drum]

i’ll make a list

like later

[cinder wyvern]

good good
take your time

[rough drum]

@cinder wyvern your most recent suggestion is something i’ve already implemented

well

i have the things like drawn so “implemented” isn’t the right word

[cinder wyvern]

cool
I'm still paying

[dense inlet]

are we getting wiggly line extended a

who drew the one that looked really nice that one time

[rough drum]

lll

[rough drum]

yeah

i mean i WILL have to make 137+ new glyphs

[dense inlet]

ARE YOU WIGGLING ALL OF THEM

[rough drum]

twice that if jan Ke Tami wants to use combined glyphs

[rough drum]

no i’m just putting each glyph on top of a wiggle

[dense inlet]

oooo ok

[rough drum]

i’m not really sure how to charge for that tbh

[lapis loom]

will wigglies still connect to flat?????

[safe crescent]

hourly rate

[dense inlet]

what if theres another wiggle that so i can wiggle tokiiiiiiiiii

[lapis loom]

like ~- but connected and on the floor???

[tawdry shale]

what is that

[steady cape]

wiggle-flat compatibility? oh boy

[dense inlet]

idk

[tawdry shale]

nasa lili

[lapis loom]

i mean it shouldn't be too hard like just have an un-squiggler or something

[cinder wyvern]

Oh I didn't even consider putting stuff on top of the squiggles, because I've been using the squiggles on their own

But if you're concerned about the details and don't want to discuss here, ale lipamanka anu wan lipamanka o, feel free to DM me

[rough drum]

ohhh hm

i could time myself

[rough drum]

ah i see

in that case i can prolly just add it normally

without the alts needed

[lapis loom]

like pi()~()~ would have the stuff in pi be on a flat line but outside could be on a squiggly

[dense inlet]

nasa

[cinder wyvern]

I know someone else wanted the squiggles, so those people should also feel free to reach out to me

[dense inlet]

i do the squiggles in my handwritten sp so yes i want them

[cinder wyvern]

but do you add something on top of squiggles?

[lapis loom]

it should still connect to flat lines tho like a~() would have squiggly a but it would connect to a flat line

[cinder wyvern]

yep

[zenith herald]

LLN16 isn't on the lipulinku font right?

[cinder wyvern]

so it can start out flat, and end squiggly
or start out squiggly and end... in a cartouche

[cinder wyvern]

correct

[rough drum]

the font on linku was made before the submissions channel

[zenith herald]

Ok just wanted to check

[dense inlet]

nope

[rough drum]

if you want things on top of the squiggles i’m gonna time myself to see how long it takes to implement and then charge that much

ah

[rough drum]

yeah hmm i think bmmm

i think i know a solution that might work

[pseudo surge]

have you tried what i said in the second ping

[rough drum]

i think i tried this and it didn’t work but i might have done it wrong so i can try again

i will try it later i’m a busy college student lol

[pseudo surge]

yeah thats fair

im also a busy college student but one who likes to procrastinate on everything

[rough drum]

@tawdry shale :)

[tawdry shale]

hmmm

[rough drum]

(previous)

okay I have to go EAT LUNCH now

BYE I LOVE U

anyway it's perfecct now >:(

[tawdry shale]

U also loves you

[rough drum]

oh also @cinder wyvern

this is what I have

[paper grove]

woo that looks nice

also omg its the epic cat in the epic font

[rough drum]

@feral wind this is what I've added

do youwant like an extra tooth

[feral wind]

lmao they're not teeth
is it the same size/shape as the mun glyph? if yes, then it's perfect

[rough drum]

no

[rough drum]

oh maybe

idk

[steady cape]

I would owe many backpayments

[rough drum]

HAHA

I mean

nothings stopping you

[rotund glacier]

what about a general combiner for turning any word into an exclamation? or do you have to redraw a new version of a glyph every time you want to resize it

[rough drum]

i would have to do that lol

[feral wind]

just noticed the line going up in the middle is kinda weird
near the top it starts going straight

[rough drum]

@pseudo surge can you test this file out the way you tested out the last one

see if it works

I did what you suggested

[pseudo surge]

i tested it on jan Ke Tami's site which is using the nasin sitelen repo(??? maybe???) which is autoupdated by jasima

buuuut i can try the file

[rough drum]

I can update the thing right now too

okay I did that

also can you send me a link to that site

[feral wind]

maybe less lines? still looks good but it looks a little more like mun
honestly the line thickness might make what i'm envisioning impossible

[rough drum]

why are you looking at the outline

mun is one closed curve with sharp edges

hm how's this

I can flip it too if you want

@quasi vector I took some creative liberties but I wanna check with you so this is me helping you workshop your idea and less me doing it for you

what do you think

[quasi vector]

my original had a ilo-lookin shape in there, could we work that in? /gen

sorry to be critical

[rough drum]

hmmm

[quasi vector]

how does normal ilo look in the font

the original, very geometric one was the orbits of Earth, Mercury, the path between them, and then an ilo kind of superimposed

obviously we’re allowed to cursify that

[quasi vector]

ye that looks p good

[rough drum]

okay cool!

[quasi vector]

epiku

lipamanka o sina pona suli

[rough drum]

wawa

<@&811644330770301008> streaming now????

(yes)

[safe crescent]

I wanna join but I'm at school in le public 😭

[rough drum]

despair

[loud jetty]

join deafened and muted

[safe crescent]

so true

[cinder wyvern]

It's not 😄

I'll update my page in a bit

[rough drum]

@split kernel

[steady cape]

𐐴 𐐽𐐰𐑌'𐐻 𐐾𐑎𐑌, 𐐰𐐻 𐐶𐐬𐑉𐐿.

oh, shoot

can't join, at work

wrong keyboard

[tepid leaf]

here’s my pet tax of one of my cats

[split kernel]

its so dorky i love it

[pseudo surge]

smh

[cinder wyvern]

I built a page where it does 😛

But it's not the one getting all the attention

[rough drum]

I also added this

[split kernel]

ayo this is great

[pseudo surge]

its not the one i found so

[split kernel]

thank you lipamanka for adding my garbage submissions🙏

[safe crescent]

you should add Minecraft creeper glyph

[split kernel]

yes

i wouldnt mind that being my third slot

[rough drum]

you have three already I think

[split kernel]

wait what was the first one?

was it the jaki variant that was just latin letters overlayed?

or the pipi kala glyph i suggested?

[rough drum]

idk ...

I don't remember

[split kernel]

brane

those are the only other glyph images i have sent here

[rough drum]

ohhh

[cinder wyvern]

it's linked aaaaaall the way on the bottom: http://antetokipona.infinityfreeapp.com/font/autofont.html
anyway, the main page has also been updated with the font now

[rough drum]

WOAH

hey kala asi push the bot

!!!

[feral wind]

i feel like the last line extends a tiny bit too much
maybe make it a bit shorter?
and don't flip it
sorry for nitpicking so much lmao

[cinder wyvern]

yeah

[rough drum]

woooo

[pearl portal]

@pseudo surge o e ilo

[pseudo surge]

bump me when jasima learns of your new version lol

[rough drum]

but that's in FOUR HOURS

[pseudo surge]

yes and i will be asleep

[rough drum]

noooo

is it annoying to update it manually?

[pseudo surge]

it is

[rough drum]

you joked about it talking a half hour before and it took less than that... idk

[pseudo surge]

pushing to jasima/nasin-sitelen is the annoying part

once its there, bumping the bot is the easy part

[rough drum]

okay

could you change the time it updates so that you're awake during that time?

[pseudo surge]

i could but that's also like intentional

this is a background thing

it just happens

im not supposed to be monitoring it all the time

imma still do it just this once cause as i said before

[rough drum]

I mean if you were awake when it updated I could get faster feedback on it

ah

sina pona

[pseudo surge]

i understnad this is a major problem with the font youre trying to fix rn

but like

[rough drum]

yeah when it's small things I don't really care as much

[pseudo surge]

in the future with feature updates please just wait yea

[rough drum]

in the future I'll only let you know when it's updated in the jasima

[pseudo surge]

@rough drum check now

[rough drum]

thank u kala Asi

i will now never annoy you again about this

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